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Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?

Thoughts? There's almost no graceful way to deal with this type of idea on NS.

People think more clearly when they're not distracted by a foreskin.

I think it's cultural. Jewish cultural values tend to encourage the kind of thinking and thought processes that are good for the sciences, and as a result they are more likely to succeed there. Also, I think the scientific community, especially in the past, was a lot more receptive to Jews than mainstream society and less infected with anti-Semitic sentiments, so it formed a safe place for Jewish people to pursue a prosperous career and to pursue things that interested them in an environment where their ideas would be well received.

Its possible. With Jews being a despised minority they might have been put under evolutionary pressures that favored intelligence. On the other hand Jews have often prized scholarship and learning, so it may be a cultural thing.

Folks who believe in the crap of the Torah definitely are not smart. Rather the opposite.

Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?

Jews do not scare all the Nobel prizes. One can equally draw attention to lots of intelligent people of non Jewish descent. One could equally argue that the English are genetically superior because of the like of Brunel, Locke, Keynes, Newton, Shakespeare and Darwin, to name a few illustrious Britons.

To expound this kind of idea of one race being greater is to expound the same philosophies the Nazis expounded in Germany. The same philosohpy the Jewish people are so eager to decry.

Stereotypically speaking,....sure, why the hell not?

And all asians are good at math, and white people cant dance, jump, or like chicken or watermelon.

Ugh. Jews might account for a bit more than their share of prizes by percentage, but you don't judge an entire group by anecdotal evidence. "Jew" isn't even a genetic group - I've known Dutch, Russian, Polish, Slovak, etc. Jews.

Folks who believe in the crap of the Torah definitely are not smart. Rather the opposite.


What makes the crap in that work of fiction, different from any other?

Why is it more stupid to follow the Torah, than Dianetics, or the Book of Mormon?

Are Jews smarter than everyone else?I dont think so.

Jews do not scare all the Nobel prizes. One can equally draw attention to lots of intelligent people of non Jewish descent. One could equally argue that the English are genetically superior because of the like of Brunel, Locke, Keynes, Newton, Shakespeare and Darwin, to name a few illustrious Britons.

To expound this kind of idea of one race being greater is to expound the same philosophies the Nazis expounded in Germany. The same philosohpy the Jewish people are so eager to decry.

Well I'm not making value-judgments. Smarter doesn't necessarily equal more ethical for example. And just because Nazi Germany was wrong on some things doesn't mean it was wrong on everything. For example Hitler may have stupidly invaded Russia, but he also bet on Volkswagen, and that turned out to be a smashing hit.

And yes, we could talk about other minorities such as the Britons too. Why Britain? Why not Papua New Guinea?

Ugh. Jews might account for a bit more than their share of prizes by percentage, but you don't judge an entire group by anecdotal evidence. "Jew" isn't even a genetic group - I've known Dutch, Russian, Polish, Slovak, etc. Jews.

European Jew are largely a homogenized genetic group - by law and custom. Medieval Jews were forbidden by Christians to marry Christians, and forbidden by their own Jewish elders to marry outside of the community. It was more likely for a Russian Jew to marry a Slovak Jew than to marry a Russian gentile. Is a millenia or so of ghettoization enough time to develop unique "Jewish alleles" for intelligence? Ghettoization surely promoted common cultural values among the Jewish community such as emphasis on education.

Stereotypically speaking,....sure, why the hell not?

And all asians are good at math, and white people cant dance, jump, or like chicken or watermelon.
Well, it's rather obvious that Africans are more athletic than any other group of people. As for Asians being good at math - possibly!

Well, it's rather obvious that Africans are more athletic than any other group of people. As for Asians being good at math - possibly!

Sure, if you want to generalize an entire race of people, completely neglecting region, situation, climate, diet, and nearly everything else.

To say that all Africans are more athletic, are we talking about Ethiopians, or Kenyans?

Asians good at math? Maybe, but Asia's a big freaking place, are we stereotypically speaking of China and Japan, or are we talking about Bhutan, or Mongolia?

Its not as simple as race.

Sure, if you want to generalize an entire race of people, completely neglecting region, situation, climate, diet, and nearly everything else.

To say that all Africans are more athletic, are we talking about Ethiopians, or Kenyans?

Asians good at math? Maybe, but Asia's a big freaking place, are we stereotypically speaking of China and Japan, or are we talking about Bhutan, or Mongolia?

Its not as simple as race.
Africans usually refers to black (sub-Saharan Africans) who born anywhere on earth seem to rise to great athletic achievements.

Asians, in the American useage - that's the usual suspects plus Mongolia. And it will be interesting to see the performance of Asian Indians and Southeast Asians.

Here is a thought experiment to put it into perspective. Let's say two people are shooting basketball free throws, one shoots 90% and one shoots 80%. Can we say who is the better free throw shooter?

Two races could be compared like that too - who produces more athletes and geniuses and so forth? Can any race produce as many geniuses per capita as the Jews?

Statistical probability is the important thing, from which we can make predictions and valid generalizations.

Einstein, [...], Freud, Marx, Engels...
Yes, Germans are clearly smarter than everyone else. :D

Jews may be smart, but they have shabby taste in real estate. :p

It probably has a lot more to do with work ethic than innate intelligence. They say genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration, most people never do the 99% to achieve high competence in any field.

Asians are good at math because their parents force them to study it. Same with other ethnicities and groups that stress work ethic and value education.

So, it's more of a cultural "stereotype" (quotes because it's positive) than a racist genetic one. I think you can generalize about a culture.

It takes a cunning mind to poison a well...















Just kidding! :D

Here is a thought experiment to put it into perspective. Let's say two people are shooting basketball free throws, one shoots 90% and one shoots 80%. Can we say who is the better free throw shooter?

With one quick experiment?
No. We could say that one THUS far, seems to be better.


Two races could be compared like that too - who produces more athletes and geniuses and so forth? Can any race produce as many geniuses per capita as the Jews?

Not really.
We could say that black people tend to excel at certain sports, or that they excel at sports that focus on lower body strength, etc...
But to generalize, as you have done, pretty much invalidates your arguement, as quite simply, not all members of any given race, always display stereotypical behaviour of that race.



Statistical probability is the important thing, from which we can make predictions and valid generalizations.

I find most such generalizations to be rather invalid.

Stereotypically speaking,....sure, why the hell not?

And all asians are good at math, and white people cant dance, jump, or like chicken or watermelon.

I am a white male and I cannot dance.

Maybe, but if so it is a cultural thing.

Speaking of Jews, I wish I had that cool kinda curly hair like David Krumholtz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:David_Krumholtz_at_the_Serenity_Premiere.jpg).

I find most such generalizations to be rather invalid.

Generally, you are correct.

Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?
The Jewish people often place a greater emphasis on education over their peers for one reason or another, and as a result Jews tend to be more educated.

So it's not that they're born smarter so much as they take greater advantage of their mental abilities.

Generally, you are correct.

Im a guitar playing pizza driver, trust me, I know my stereotypes!

Im a guitar playing pizza driver, trust me, I know my stereotypes!

You drive... pizza? :confused:

You drive... pizza? :confused:

Yes.

Really old ones.
Use em like tires.

Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?


Let me guess, you’re Jewish?

And today is it your birthday and you want to congratulate yourself with a feel-good mood?

Well think about the overwhelming non-Jews that won Nobel prices, became chess champions, etc

Can we now argue that Jews are more stupid as the rest of the world? Of course not.

Btw to be a chess champion, you don’t have to be smart. It’s recommended to be a kind of moron and to play, to eat, to smell, to dream chess all the time.

Oh yes and by stating that “I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community”, your walking the path of pure racism.

Your folks died for such ideas in Auschwitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auswitch).


By the content of your posting, we can safely assume that at least it seems that not all Jews are as smart as you’re writing.

And it is shocking me that your racism is eaten so easily by the so-called smart NationStates Forum people. Shame on you!

There's scientific evidence that Ashkenazi jews are indeed smarter than most ethnic groups on this world, even surpassing East Asians, which have co´me to ´be the classical example of intelligence as a racial feature.

Its possible. With Jews being a despised minority they might have been put under evolutionary pressures that favored intelligence. On the other hand Jews have often prized scholarship and learning, so it may be a cultural thing.

I don't think evolution can work that fast dude.

Auschwitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auswitch)

Thanks for the link. I bet you have all the cool deathcamp links!

Jews aren't genetically smarter. However, at least in the european societies, the jewish communities have placed an higher stress on study, culture and science than the stress the christians have placed on those fields.
This happened also because of the discriminations against the jews, which prohibited them from a lot of things, from owning land to holding some public offices - and some professions being deemed un-christian by the christian churches, and hence forbidden to christians, like banking.
After some centuries, turns out that those "un-christian" professions are the key professions in the new bourgoise society, and that the stress on study leads to a better success than the stress on "noble" professions, like land-owning and military.
Chi è causa del suo mal, pianga se stesso! (He who caused his own downfall, let him blame himself!)

I wish some friggin genius jew would fix friggin jolt.

All the listed jewish nobel achievers mentioned are there not because they are jewish, but because of environmental and socio-economical factors

New political ideologies (systems of belief) accompanied the emancipation of the Jews and the associated transformations of Jewish life during the 19th century. The ideology known as nationalism, based on a feeling of community among people with a shared culture, proved hostile to the integration of Jews into European life. Nationalists saw integration as contaminating the unique cultural heritage of their nation.Bear in mind that 19th century Europe was a place where there was as massive arms race and competition was cut throating among the 5 most important nation states.
Germany (apart from Russia) back then had a massive jewish community because since 1700 they had found it a safe haven. Jews experienced a period of legal equality from 1848 until the rise of Nazi Germany, by the end of the 19th century, what had emerged was a "Jewish-German symbiosis," where German Jews had merged elements of German and Jewish culture into a unique new one.
However just before the unification of Germany (1848-71)
The Revolution of 1848 rewinded this process back towards freedom for the Jews, and the financial crisis of 1873 created another era of repression. Starting in the 1870s, völkische anti-Semites were the first to describe themselves as such, because they viewed Jews as part of a Semitic race that could never be properly assimilated into German society. Such was the ferocity of the anti-Jewish feeling of the völkische movement that by 1900 the term "anti-Semitic" had entered the English language to describe anyone who had anti-Jewish feelings.
The initial Jewish responses to anti-Semitism in Western Europe was rejecting the racial critique, some French and German Jews called for speeding up the process of Westernization among Jews in order to narrow the differences between Jews and non-Jews. Other Jews responded by creating political organizations to combat anti-Semitism and defend the political gains they had achieved.
Jews themselves had a nationalism of their own and achieved emancipation, wanting to be accepted by their peers and help their country and be sucessfull many Jews began to gain prominence in many areas of cultural endeavor. The number of Jews in the universities and working in professional fields rose to levels out of proportion to their representation in the population. In some regions Jews achieved significant representation in national and local government. Jews also became successful businessmen and bankers.

For those who do not understand why I speak about Germany, it's because all the illustrious names placed on the forum board where German-Jews:)

I don't think evolution can work that fast dude.

It's not evolution, it's that...

At least in the european societies, the jewish communities have placed an higher stress on study, culture and science than the stress the christians have placed on those fields. This happened also because of the discriminations against the jews, which prohibited them from a lot of things, from owning land to holding some public offices - and some professions being deemed un-christian by the christian churches, and hence forbidden to christians, like banking.

Exactly what I think. That is also why inside Israel itslef, Jews of European decent receive higher grades than their fellow Jews.

It's not racism, because the reason for it involves a religious group in a certain area (Europe), and not a general ethnic group, religion or race. It also doesn't mean that Jews have higher IQ, but it does mean most of them tend to put education on top of all other values. That's why relatively to the size of Jewish population in the world, they seem to have done more in science (the same as Africans seem to have done more in sports, and Japanese more in technology).

When you play at Google, you’ll receive the next results…

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,810 for "smart jews".

Results 1 - 10 of about 592 for "smart whites"

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,430 for "smart blacks".

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,520 for "smart asians"

Results 0 - 0 of about 0 for "smart americans"

Oh and….

Results 1 - 10 of about 51,400 for "smart animals".

I doubt very much that dress sense is in anyway a genetic trait.

No. Next?

Auschwitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auswitch).


This has to be one of the more redundant links posted. Seriously did anyone herethink Auswitch was some sort of Wienerschnitzel variety?

Results 0 - 0 of about 0 for "smart americans"

Lol! Why 0? Here's what I found:
Results 1 - 10 of about 21,700 for "smart americans"
Yet, I don't understand your point.

Lol! Why 0? Here's what I found:
Results 1 - 10 of about 21,700 for "smart americans"
Yet, I don't understand your point.

shttt :)

Lol! Why 0? Here's what I found:
Results 1 - 10 of about 21,700 for "smart americans"
Yet, I don't understand your point.

Are we using the same Google? I got:

"Results 1 - 10 of about 1 990 000 for smart americans"(translated into english)

Are we using the same Google? I got:

"Results 1 - 10 of about 1 990 000 for smart americans"(translated into english)

google.com

Results 1 - 10 of about 21,700 for "smart americans".

google.be

Resultaten 1 - 10 van circa 21.700 voor "smart americans"

This has to be one of the more redundant links posted. Seriously did anyone herethink Auswitch was some sort of Wienerschnitzel variety?

Is it a redundant link?

Some folks at that time thought they were superior above all as well.
The outcome was such camps like Auschwitz.

I don’t like it when people see themselves, from cultural, religious or racial viewpoint superior above others.

If a white would say the same about whites, his post would be deleted.

Are we using the same Google? I got:

"Results 1 - 10 of about 1 990 000 for smart americans"(translated into english)

Did you search: "smart americans"
Or just: smart americans
?

Did you search: "smart americans"
Or just: smart americans
?

"smart americans"

Let me guess, you’re Jewish?

And today is it your birthday and you want to congratulate yourself with a feel-good mood?

Well think about the overwhelming non-Jews that won Nobel prices, became chess champions, etc

Can we now argue that Jews are more stupid as the rest of the world? Of course not.

Btw to be a chess champion, you don’t have to be smart. It’s recommended to be a kind of moron and to play, to eat, to smell, to dream chess all the time.

Oh yes and by stating that “I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community”, your walking the path of pure racism.

Your folks died for such ideas in Auschwitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auswitch).


By the content of your posting, we can safely assume that at least it seems that not all Jews are as smart as you’re writing.

And it is shocking me that your racism is eaten so easily by the so-called smart NationStates Forum people. Shame on you!
Well that was the stupidest response I've ever heard, but just in case someone missed the brilliance here, let's re-cap:
"Well think about the overwhelming non-Jews that won Nobel prices, became chess champions, etc

Can we now argue that Jews are more stupid as the rest of the world? Of course not."
LOL...Eh, I don't....uh, hmmm, I, eh....what?

He meant that Jews are clearly over-represented...being that there are so little Jews in the world yet so many have won these prizes.

I think that (European) Jews tend to be smarter because of the strong emphasis placed on education, success, and career in Jewish families. Also, Marx was not a Jew....His parents converted to Christianity and he was an Atheist who hated Judaism and (religion) in general. The whole point of BEING Jewish is to agree to the covenant with God, beleive in him and bear responsibility for abiding by his laws. That's why Jews were picked in the first place. To go against all this cancels out your Judaism.

Are Jews smarter? No smarter or dumber than any other religion. It only may appear as such because of a global rate of achievement and recognition.

It's cultural and historic why what the OP describes seem to be the case. An isolated population, closed out of many more common jobs, they were forced into several niche fields, where certain values were more important.

Why are Jews lying about famous chess champions their origin?

I found this interesting and I checked some website.

Lots of Jewish propaganda sites and clear Jewish racist site have chess champions lists as below. All claiming that the people on the list are Jewish…

By instance, according the JEWISH WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONS (http://www.jinfo.org/Chess_Champions.html) 54% of chess champions are Jewish

This is their list:
• Wilhelm Steinitz (1886-1894)
• Emanuel Lasker (1894-1921)
• Mikhail Botvinnik (1948-1957, 1958-1960, 1961-1963)
• Vasily Smyslov 1 (1957-1958)
• Mikhail Tal (1960-1961)
• Robert (Bobby) Fischer 2 (1972-1975)
• Garry Kasparov 3 (1985-2000)

But when one starts to investigate those players their roots, the result is, hehe, different.

• Wilhelm Steinitz (1886-1894)
Jewish parents
• Emanuel Lasker (1894-1921)
Jewish parents
Mikhail Botvinnik (1948-1957, 1958-1960, 1961-1963)
Jewish parents
• Vasily Smyslov 1 (1957-1958)
His father was Jewish, mother is Armenian
• Mikhail Tal (1960-1961)
His mother is Jewish, father is white
• Robert (Bobby) Fischer 2 (1972-1975)
His mother is from German Jewish descent (so is not 100% Jewish by herself), father is a white German.
• Garry Kasparov 3 (1985-2000)
His mother is a white Armenian, father is Jewish

So that is making just 3 real Jews and 3 ‘hybrids’ and 1 almost-no-jew. So their claim of 54% is already false.

Since when are Jews the dominant race (and yes, I know they are no race)?

Why are they lying that the majority of those Jews are not Jews, but a mix?

Now mastering chess doesn’t say anything about someone his/her intelligence. How will you define intelligence anyway? By instance, the emotional intelligence of many chess players is absurdly low (Karpov, Fisher...)

Sure, one cannot deny that at least 3 Jewish people are on the list.

But why? ‘Cause they are Jewish and thus intellectual superior? That’s bullshit and pure racism.

For years the Japanese were king in Judo. Do whites/blacks/jews/marsians have less skills to become a golden medal winner in Judo? No. The last 100 years the Japanese dominated this sport, but tons of Japanese are doing this sport as well. It’s extremely popular, so it’s easier for real talents to get detected.

The same is going on for chess. Chess is a popular game among Jews, a significant share is playing the game, so also here talent has more change to get detected.

It’s not that you have talent for something, that you’ll use it. When a child or teenager never was confronted in a situation where his special talents could be used maybe he’ll never know that he has some talent in something.
Russian and Armenian children have fewer sophisticated toys as American or European kids. To have some fun the first ones are restricted in what they can play. And a chess game is rather cheap…

And there’s the copy-cat syndrome as well. Two Belgians girls are doing extremely well in Tennis. Thanks to Henin and Clijsters the Belgian tennis clubs are booming. The chance that other boys or girls will hit the top ranks in the future is now much bigger as 15 years ago ‘cause there’s more supply. I can imagine that Jewish boys want to mimic their own role models as well.

My point is, there are all kind of good reasons why some country, race, culture is performing well in some specific discipline, but never ‘cause they are a superior life form.

The whole point of BEING Jewish is to agree to the covenant with God, beleive in him and bear responsibility for abiding by his laws. [...] To go against all this cancels out your Judaism.

What? That's totally incorrect. I'm an Atheist, yes I am a Jew! Not by religion, but by being a person of the Jewish people.

Well that was the stupidest response I've ever heard, but just in case someone missed the brilliance here, let's re-cap:
"Well think about the overwhelming non-Jews that won Nobel prices, became chess champions, etc

Can we now argue that Jews are more stupid as the rest of the world? Of course not."
LOL...Eh, I don't....uh, hmmm, I, eh....what?

And what is stupid about it?

He meant that Jews are clearly over-represented...being that there are so little Jews in the world yet so many have won these prizes.

I think that (European) Jews tend to be smarter because of the strong emphasis placed on education, success, and career in Jewish families. Also, Marx was not a Jew....His parents converted to Christianity and he was an Atheist who hated Judaism and (religion) in general. The whole point of BEING Jewish is to agree to the covenant with God, beleive in him and bear responsibility for abiding by his laws. That's why Jews were picked in the first place. To go against all this cancels out your Judaism.


They are not over-represented. They are not smarter. You are saying the same racist talks as the initial poster.

Saying that one race or culture is smarter (or dumber) than another, that's what I call STUPID.

Africans usually refers to black (sub-Saharan Africans) who born anywhere on earth seem to rise to great athletic achievements.

It doesn't really say anything about athletics, but it's basicly saying sub-saharan blacks are pussies (note these are just stereotypes of a time period)

http://endingstereotypesforamerica.org/black_and_white_intelligence.html


Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians


Now while the southern peoples are of acute intelligence and infinite resource, they give way when courage is demanded because their strength is drained away by the sun; but those who are born in colder regions by their fearless courage are better equipped for the clash of arms, yet by their slowness of mind they rush on without reflection, and through lack of tactics are balked of their purpose…Italy presents good qualities which are tempered by admixture from either side both north and south, and are consequently unsurpassed. And so, by its policy, it curbs the courage of the northern barbarians; by its strength, the imaginative south. Thus the divine mind has allotted to the Roman state an excellent and temperate region in order to rule the world."

Saying that one race or culture is smarter (or dumber) than another, that's what I call STUPID.

Why?

i dont see any sense in comparing groups of people that way. in any group there are smart people and stupid people. the average intelligence might work out to some impressive or depressing level but each person still stands on his own intelligence.

whats the point of being able to say "im a jew and we're the smartest racial/ethnic/religious group around" if you are an idiot?

I don't think any ethnic group is really smarter than the other. Jews have lifestyle and family structures that are heavily based on tradition. Add that to the fact that they have had to compensate for outside oppression for most of their existence and you get a people that are going to be inclined to excel in certain areas.

For example, I've heard that the reason that many Jews have gone into entertainment or accounting/law is because throughout European history jews were blacklisted from obtaining apprenticeships in skilled trades by gentiles.

But this goes just as well for any people. I grew up with a father who was an electrician with a love for carpentry and tools. Even though I wasn't all that interested in that as a youngster I still knew more about that stuff than many of my peers and a lot of adults, and when I did do any activity involving those things I learned quickly. That doesn't mean I was born with a talent, it just means I was fostered in an environment where it was consciously (and probably subconsciously) encouraged.

Why?

'Cause there is not one race or culture superior. We are all equal.

Stating different is making you a racist and talking racism is by definition stupid.

i dont see any sense in comparing groups of people that way. in any group there are smart people and stupid people. the average intelligence might work out to some impressive or depressing level but each person still stands on his own intelligence.

whats the point of being able to say "im a jew and we're the smartest racial/ethnic/religious group around" if you are an idiot?

The jews that are claiming that, are indeed the dumbest beings around.

No. They just worked hard after being emancipated, and for a time were doing very well for themselves.

No. They just worked hard after being emancipated, and for a time were doing very well for themselves.

Wahahaha! You are joking, no?

jews are just better in stealing ideas.

The jews that are claiming that, are indeed the dumbest beings around.

perhaps i should have said

what good does it do to say "africans are on average rather stupid" when you are talking to an african genius?

so that you didnt have to take yet another opportunity to diss jews.

jews are just better in stealing ideas.

Huh?

'Cause there is not one race or culture superior. We are all equal.

Stating different is making you a racist and talking racism is by definition stupid.

And saying one culture is better than another makes you a racist how?...

Whether cultural superiority is relative or absolute is a debatable enough topic so as to make calling anyone who believes in a different viewpoint to you 'stupid' in big, bold capitals silly.

Besides, just because a culture may be smarter doesn't make it superior.

Im not arguing if statistically Jews are smarter then anyone else because i frankly dont know the answer. However if i thought about things that might make this possible, id suggest that practising Jews learn a second language (Hebrew) at a very young age as part of thier religious and cultural education. This certianly gives these children lessons in memorization, applying sets of rules etc that could certianly be credited with making them "smarter" in some form then children not exposed to second languages. Jews being smarter also may be more of a cultural thing as well. Certian cultures are famous for a strong educational drive such as the Japaneese and that may have something to do with it with Jews as well. In a nutshell, if its even true and ill repeat i do not know factually one way or the other, Jews would be smarter simply because thier culture promotes it more and not because of some genetic trait.

jews are just better in stealing ideas.

Oh, yes, remember kiddies, Jews are just conniving, large-nosed thieves! That's how they became bankers and whatnot, because they're thieves! Not because they were simply better educated and better at the jobs, oh no, it had to be thievery, the vile kikes!

On a more serious note, there's this person on another road near mine with the name of Kiker. I'm quite serious: their name is Kiker. I'll take a picture at some point because I still can't believe it and I pass by that mailbox every day on my walk.

Also, Marx was not a Jew....His parents converted to Christianity and he was an Atheist who hated Judaism and (religion) in general. The whole point of BEING Jewish is to agree to the covenant with God

I noted that it is easier to be accounted as a jew by Nazis than by other jews - after all, you can be a jew only if your mother was jew, while the Nazi labelled one as jew even if he had a 1/4 of jewish "blood" and from the father-and-forefathers' line.

By the way, the whole religious point of being jewish is to agree to the covenant with God, AND be ethnically jew.

Marx was ethnically jew - not religiously. That's all. Since, generally, the stress on study, culture etc go with the ethnical (familiar) line, and not the personal choices about religion, I think that, for the scope of this debate, Marx should be regarded as jew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_State

WASHINGTON-Do African immigrants make the smartest Americans? The question may sound outlandish, but if you were judging by statistics alone, you could find plenty of evidence to back it up.

In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologist John R. Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/black_immigrants_an_invisible.html

and some fancy stuff a friend gave me:
http://paa2005.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=50390

http://mumford1.dyndns.org/cen2000/BlackWhite/BlackDiversityReport/black-diversity01.htm


In an analysis of Census Bureau data by the Journal of Blacks in higher education (and several other sources using similar data), African immigrants to the United States were found more likely to be college educated than any other immigrant group. African immigrants to the U.S. are also more highly educated than any other native-born ethnic group including white Americans (Logan & Deane, 2003; Dixon, 2006; Journal of Blacks in higher education,
1999-2000; Onwudiwe, 2006; Otiso and Smith, 2005; The Economist, 1996:
Shobo). Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is slightly more than the percentage of Asian immigrants to the U.S., nearly double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times
the rate of native-born African Americans (The Journal of Blacks in Higher
Education, No. 26 (Winter, 1999-2000), pp. 60-61).

In 1997, 19.4 percent of all adult African immigrants in the United States
held a graduate degree, compared to 8.1 percent of adult whites and 3.8 percent of adult blacks in the United States, respectively (The Journal of
Blacks in Higher Education, No. 26 (Winter, 1999-2000), pp. 60-61).
This information suggests that America has an equally large achievement gap
between whites and African/Asian immigrants as they do between white and black Americans.

The Canadian sociological literature on immigrants also paints a similar
picture, however, less stark. All visible-minority immigrant groups whether
from the Caribbean or India do better academically than their native born (non-visible) cohorts, on average. Both foreign-born and Canadian-born blacks have graduation rates that exceed those of other Canadians. Similar
patters of educational over-achievements are reached with years of schooling
and with data from the 1994 Statistics Canada survey.

In the UK, 1988, the Commission for Racial Equality conducted an
investigation on the admissions practices of St. George's, and other medical
colleges, who set aside a certain number of places for minority students. This informal quota system reflected the percentage of minorities in the
general population. However, minority students with Chinese, Indian, or black African heritage had higher academic qualifications for university
admission than did whites (Blacks in Britain from the West Indies had far
lower academic credentials than did whites). In fact, blacks with African
origins over the age of 30 had the highest educational qualifications of any ethnic group in the British Isles. Thus, the evidence pointed to the fact
that minority quotas for University admissions were actually working against
students from these ethnic groups who were on average more qualified for higher education than their white peers.

Im not arguing if statistically Jews are smarter then anyone else because i frankly dont know the answer. However if i thought about things that might make this possible, id suggest that practising Jews learn a second language (Hebrew) at a very young age as part of thier religious and cultural education. This certianly gives these children lessons in memorization,

I fear that this has nothing to do with intelligence.
1.Many jews (ethnically jews, see my previous post) never learn Hebrew, yet they are usually better educated than non-jews.
2.Take a Suedtiroler. They (all of them: those with German, those with Italian and those with Ladin as first language) must study at least another language (German or Italian) since the age of 6. Yet Suedtiroler don't perform generally better than other italians in culture etc.

it's cultural not genitic

As a jew, i am smarter then all of you.

However, i don't know if this is because i am more intellectual then my enviroment, or because that i have levi genetics.

I go for option 1.

Also, believing in the Torah isn't very.. smart. yeah.

perhaps i should have said

what good does it do to say "africans are on average rather stupid" when you are talking to an african genius?

so that you didnt have to take yet another opportunity to diss jews.

I don't diss Jews by not recognizing that '...I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community...'

By NOT attacking that, you agree with him and are you dissing all other races and cultures.

I think you're putting yourself in a very very very dirty corner.

Africans are on average rather not stupid. And if you say different, then you are a racist.

It doesn't matter if you talk to an african genious or a dumb black bastard.

it's cultural not genitic

Exactly (unless one can prove that European Jews tend to have analytical thinking, or something like that).

Genetic.

'Cause there is not one race or culture superior. We are all equal.


No. Some cultures place on education and study an higher value than others do (take Japan vs USA). Hence, some cultures are more likely to produce better-educated people. I'm not talking intelligence here (it's not well-defined enough), just education and knowledge in some areas - of course, in the modern world, it leads to a better success of the country to have a culture where engineers and scientists are more prized than sports stars and singers.

of course, in the modern world, it leads to a better success of the country to have a culture where engineers and scientists are more prized than sports stars and singers.

America?

How is this topic different from asking are negros stupider?

No. Some cultures place on education and study an higher value than others do (take Japan vs USA). Hence, some cultures are more likely to produce better-educated people. I'm not talking intelligence here (it's not well-defined enough), just education and knowledge in some areas - of course, in the modern world, it leads to a better success of the country to have a culture where engineers and scientists are more prized than sports stars and singers.

Yeah, what Risottia said.

Yeah, what Risottia said.

Yeah, what Hamilay said.

America?

I guess so. However, Italy too.:(


Yeah, what Hamilay said.


Yeah, what The Secular Resistance said.

How is this topic different from asking are negros stupider?

Because Jews are the chosen people

Wahahaha! You are joking, no?
No, not at all.

After emancipation, many Jews strived extremely hard to to get into education and work, more than others at the same time.

Yeah, what Hamilay said.

Yeah, what The Secular Resistance said.

<.< >.>

Because Jews are the chosen people

Yeah, just keep telling yourself that. Hope it makes you feel better. :rolleyes:

Because Jews are the chosen people

So, that gives the right for jews to be regarded as smarter...

But that would also mean that negros are stupider than jews, would it not?

And therefore lead to an equally valid topic of Are Negros Stupider?

Because Jews are the chosen people

No, we aren't.


Swiss are the chosen people (really, compare their life to the life in Israel and you'll see why).:D

Yeah, just keep telling yourself that. Hope it makes you feel better. :rolleyes:

It was a joke

It was a joke

I think he was being cynic.
Sssh! Don't ruin my bitterness against people believing they are superior!

Yeah, just keep telling yourself that. Hope it makes you feel better. :rolleyes:

I think he was being cynic.

No, we aren't.


Swiss are the chosen people (really, compare their life to the life in Israel and you'll see why).:D

No they aren't.
Italians are the chosen people (chosen by whom and for what, it's unclear).
Really, compare swiss rösti to italian pizza and you'll see why.

So, that gives the right for jews to be regarded as smarter...

But that would also mean that negros are stupider than jews, would it not?

And therefore lead to an equally valid topic of Are Negros Stupider?

Negroes are the super race, go back to page 5 on this thread and look at African immigrant statistics

I for one welcome our dark overlords

Really, compare swiss rösti to italian pizza and you'll see why.

You do have a point.

No they aren't.
Italians are the chosen people (chosen by whom and for what, it's unclear).
Really, compare swiss rösti to italian pizza and you'll see why.

Ah, but Swiss chocolate, though?

How is this topic different from asking are negros stupider?

It's not. Really. And both fail for the same reason. A lack of ability to define a 'race' that is genetically isolated, with a lack of any non-anecdotal evidence for such a claim.

Really now, if we are to accept one as possible, we accept the other is possible. What about my black jewish friends? Are they of average intelligence then? (I can think of one who would be slightly offended to think that I am as smart as he).

Several studies have suggested a genetic correlation among Ashkenazi Jews between certain types of intelligence and lipid storage disorders and sphingolipid diseases. The results are not conclusive, as far as I know.

*snip moronic shit*
I agree that those who think Jews are truly superior are bigots, but most don't think that. There is a certain tendency to believe Jews are born smarter but that is, again, due to the Jewish cultural influence pushing education on their children much more so than many other cultures do, resulting in a higher than average number of smart Jews. If everyone else did it too, we'd see a lot more smart people overall.

All people that are stating that Jews are superior or smarter than any other race or culture...

Again you confuse racism with claiming that a certain culture, I repeat, culture, is smarter or more stupid or whatever. There is a deifference. Wouldn't you agree that the English culture, for example, is 'smarter' than the culture of some pagan tribes in Africa?

It is sad that Jews that suffered from racism a lot through the ages, suddenly have to perform racism by themselves.

You assume all Jews claim they're smarter. That's generalization. Stop it.

Again you confuse racism with claiming that a certain culture, I repeat, culture, is smarter or more stupid or whatever. There is a deifference. Wouldn't you agree that the English culture, for example, is 'smarter' than the culture of some pagan tribes in Africa?



You assume all Jews claim they're smarter. That's generalization. Stop it.

No, I claim that a few HillBillies on this board are doing that. Show me where I said 'Alll Jews say...'

You can't, because I didn't. So you are a liar.

Racism isn't dealing about race only. It could deal color, decent, national, ethnic or cultural origin.

I would have to assume that the author of this posting was well aware that this is a question that can't be asked. Compare this to the question of whether on aggregate ethnic scandanavians are taller than ethnic chinese. Two objections will always arise.

The first: The question of measurable intelligence is compared to height particularly in a statistical calcuable will always be debated, but that is not the main issue.

The second: A number of people would consider the relative level of jewish intelligence a reasonable question that can be asked as a scientific inquiry and has scientific merit. However, many people, my guess would be the vast majority, will see this question as a values statement, that Jews are better in some fashion than others (or not). Values statements about ethnicities are inherently racist and therefore forbidden, regardless of whether they are valid scientifically or have proper statistical analysis underneath them. So unless you have the academic credentials and publish in such a fashion to prevent any misinterpretation of your work as making value judgements, you had best not ask these kinds of questions in the modern intellectual climate.

The recent episode with Dr. Watson suggests that this isn't likely to change any time soon.

No, I claim that a few HillBillies on this board are doing that. Show me where I said 'Alll Jews say...'

You can't, because I didn't. So you are a liar.

Racism isn't dealing about race only. It could deal color, decent, national, ethnic or cultural origin.

Your own quoted paragraph says that racial discrimination has nothing to do with culture. :rolleyes:

Your own quoted paragraph says that racial discrimination has nothing to do with culture. :rolleyes:

You are a racist.

Racism isn't dealing about race only.

Yes, it is, that's why it's called racism... Hitler didn't care about culture, color, or nationality, he cared about genetics, about race.

Yes, though I think the question was poorly phrased. Science has already found that on average, Jews have the highest I.Q. of any race (2-12 points above East Asian average).

Now whether, or not that's due to genetics is the true debate. Your poll should ask if Jews are smarter on-average due to genetics.

I believe genetics has something to do with it. But genetics are quite flexible. If you altered someone's environment, you'd find in couple of generations that their "race" does not insulate many "conservative" genes. The rest are "liberal genes" and go-with-the-flow, altering to suit the environment, and quite flexible.

Yes, it is, that's why it's called racism... Hitler didn't care about culture, color, or nationality, he cared about genetics, about race.

According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

You are a racist.

That's right, boys and girls, if the person disagrees with what you say or calls you on an error, just call them a racist!*

*Please note that this does not include people who are actually racist and are called on it, such as Atlantian Islands, for example.

You are a racist.

Such an insightful reply. Kindly quote a post where I have displayed racism and explain why.

Ah, but Swiss chocolate, though?

Swiss chocolate = milk chocolate. Bleah.

Italian dark chocolate and Gianduja RULE! Also belgian dark chocolate is quite good.
(Novi, Cuba Venchi, Caffarel, Perugina)

Yes, though I think the question was poorly phrased. Science has already found that on average, Jews have the highest I.Q. of any race (2-12 points above East Asian average).

Now whether, or not that's due to genetics is the true debate. Your poll should ask if Jews are smarter on-average due to genetics.

I believe genetics has something to do with it. But genetics are quite flexible. If you altered someone's environment, you'd find in couple of generations that their "race" does not insulate many "conservative" genes. The rest are "liberal genes" and go-with-the-flow, altering to suit the environment, and quite flexible.

No, science didn't proof that Jews are scoring better as other humans.

This is so insane.

Besides that IQ tests do not measure intelligence and they are not scientific accurate

I'm pretty sure you're just lying.
Can you show a link from a serious source?

And even if it is true, it can be explained why one race/culture/nation is performing better in IQ tests than another.

But AGAIN, not 'cause some race or culture is superior or not.

By instance, I doubt if the Ethiopian Jews, on average, would score that well on IQ Tests....

Nutrition, familiarity with Western IQ test will make sure they will score, in general, low.

But hey the same racist would say 'yeah, but they are black'

Swiss chocolate = milk chocolate. Bleah.

Italian dark chocolate and Gianduja RULE! Also belgian dark chocolate is quite good.
(Novi, Cuba Venchi, Caffarel, Perugina)

But I like milk chocolate. :(

big bolded text shows I'm right

...(omissis)...



Poor taste. Really, get a grip and calm down a bit.

But I like milk chocolate. :(

Yeah, what Hamilay said.

Yeah, what Hamilay said.

Yeah, what The Secular Resistance said... NOT.

Ye heathen milk-chocolate eaters shall be banned from the true dark chocolate paradise and be forcefully fed Mars bars only. Haeretics! Pagans! Sacrilege! ;)

Also, I know you racists like milk chocolate because it's white!!! ;);)

People think more clearly when they're not distracted by a foreskin.

Their own or someone elses?

Also, Edwinasia, I went back and looked, and it really seems like your position might be better served by admitting you contradicted yourself and gracefully amending your argument to be more consistent.

So...am I a racist now?

No, I claim that a few HillBillies on this board are doing that. Show me where I said 'Alll Jews say...'

You can't, because I didn't. So you are a liar.

Racism isn't dealing about race only. It could deal color, decent, national, ethnic or cultural origin.

I actually haven't seen anyone in this thread seriously assert that Jews are inherently smarter than anyone else (the closest so far has been in a vague, yea maybe it's possible way but not necessarily so). In fact, it seems that the Jewish posters have, by and large, argued against such a statement.

What I have seen, however, is you make silly ad hominem nonsense arguments, use annoying bold font and, fairly consistently, present yourself as a small child throwing a tantrum when people don't fall in line to your obnoxious preconceived notions. At the very least, I think most would appreciate it if you stop using super-sized bold letters for no other reason than to visually assault readers of your posts. It's like you're actively trying to strangle my brain, ffs.

In regards to the actual topic at hand, yea, Jewish culture tends to have a heavy emphasis on education. This makes sense, especially coming from a highly litigious religion with little emphasis on overt divine authority (the main thing that sets it apart from its Abrahamic cousins) and from an ethnic peoples that have been historically displaced from their lands time after time. The Jewish accountant/doctor/lawyer isn't a stereotype for no reason. If you have no land and your citizenship is second-class, there are a select few types of occupations available. And, yes, being Jewish is a dual thing...it's an ethnicity and a religion. Hell, if you want to get down to it, it seems that secularized Jews are more over-represented than their religious counterparts (but being secular would make it more likely that one is assimilated into the larger community so that makes sense). But I'm a fairly secularized Jew (I'm a deist but get me drunk enough and I might admit to some pantheistic tendencies :p) so maybe I'm just a dirty, filthy Jew-humping bigot as Edwinasia is sure to claim in big bold letters clear enough for those of us without our reading glasses to see. ;)

For the examples....Where's Spinoza? :( Never any love for Spinoza. He was arguably one of the most influential philosophers of his time and for some reason no one ever freaking mentions him. I didn't even know about him until taking a Christian Philosophy course and then continuously noticed him being cited in all the influential philosophers' works that followed through the ages!

Poor taste. Really, get a grip and calm down a bit.


I prefer some racist-free statement in a bold font than racist lines in a normal regular font.

No, I’m not pointing at you.

Lots of Jewish propaganda sites and clear Jewish racist site have chess champions lists as below. All claiming that the people on the list are Jewish…
Oh enough, go fuck off to Stormfront, you are starting to get annoying.:rolleyes:
By instance, according the JEWISH WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONS (http://www.jinfo.org/Chess_Champions.html) 54% of chess champions are Jewish


• Wilhelm Steinitz (1886-1894)
Jewish parents
• Emanuel Lasker (1894-1921)
Jewish parents
Mikhail Botvinnik (1948-1957, 1958-1960, 1961-1963)
Jewish parents
• Vasily Smyslov 1 (1957-1958)
His father was Jewish, mother is Armenian
• Mikhail Tal (1960-1961)
His mother is Jewish, father is white
• Robert (Bobby) Fischer 2 (1972-1975)
His mother is from German Jewish descent (so is not 100% Jewish by herself), father is a white German.
• Garry Kasparov 3 (1985-2000)
His mother is a white Armenian, father is Jewish
First of all "mother is Jewish, father is White" doesn't make any sense, since there are White Jews and non-White Jews. Second of all...this pisses me off:
"Mother is from German Jewish descent (so is not 100% Jewish by herself)"
What the hell do you know? I'm off German-Jewish descent.....that does not make me any less Jewish?? She can be a German who's family has lived in Germany for thousands of years, and if she's Jewish she is 100% Jewish, a real Jew. Being German-Jewish does not make you not 100% Jewish because you have "Aryan influences which take away from your Jewish-ness", ugh:rolleyes:

So that is making just 3 real Jews and 3 ‘hybrids’ and 1 almost-no-jew. So their claim of 54% is already false.
No, you just have no idea what you're talking about. They are

Since when are Jews the dominant race (and yes, I know they are no race)?
There are races, but Jewish is not a race. It's a religion and group that crosses through races and even through ethnicities.

Why are they lying that the majority of those Jews are not Jews, but a mix?
Who the hell is "they", you tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist?

Now mastering chess doesn’t say anything about someone his/her intelligence. How will you define intelligence anyway? By instance, the emotional intelligence of many chess players is absurdly low (Karpov, Fisher...)


The same is going on for chess. Chess is a popular game among Jews, a significant share is playing the game, so also here talent has more change to get detected.
.....? It's a popular game among Jews? Can I have a source?


And there’s the copy-cat syndrome as well. Two Belgians girls are doing extremely well in Tennis. Thanks to Henin and Clijsters the Belgian tennis clubs are booming. The chance that other boys or girls will hit the top ranks in the future is now much bigger as 15 years ago ‘cause there’s more supply. I can imagine that Jewish boys want to mimic their own role models as well.
Jewish boys role models are not chess players.:rolleyes: Do you even know any Jews? Go visit Antwerp.... (Although they can be, as Jews are individuals, but I meant it in a general way to counter your very stupid generalization)

My point is, there are all kind of good reasons why some country, race, culture is performing well in some specific discipline, but never ‘cause they are a superior life form.
Or rather, everything you said was wrong and everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it.

I prefer some racist-free statement in a bold font than racist lines in a normal regular font.

No, I’m not pointing at you.

Racism isn't the only avenue of expression for hateful or prejudiced ideas.

Self-righteous shouting of threats at those whose only offense so far was to illustrate where you'd contradicted yourself, for example.

Yeah, what The Secular Resistance said... NOT.

Ye heathen milk-chocolate eaters shall be banned from the true dark chocolate paradise and be forcefully fed Mars bars only. Haeretics! Pagans! Sacrilege! ;)

Also, I know you racists like milk chocolate because it's white!!! ;);)

Well, funnily enough, I know chocolate aficionadios will crucify me for this, but my favourite chocolate is white... :eek:

dp

My favourite chocolate is the original drink from Mexico.

A parisian chocolat chaud is a close second, with dark chocolate coming in as the best of the solid chocolates.

Well, funnily enough, I know chocolate aficionadios will crucify me for this, but my favourite chocolate is white... :eek:

As long as its unleavened chocolate not served with meat.

Hmmm...white chocolate cheeseburger with mayo on a giant pork rind bun....I'm calling Jack in the Box...

No, we aren't.


Swiss are the chosen people
Actually, if pay close attention, you'll realize that Jews and Swiss are in fact one in the same.
Jews love money - Swiss love money
Jews have gold - Swiss have gold
Jews are capitalist - Swiss are capitalist
Jews profit off everything - Swiss profit off everything
Jews have big noses and wring their hands over money with that Jew gleam in their eyes - Swiss have big noses and wring their hands over money with that Swiss gleam in their eyes
Jews are short and fat - Swiss are short and fat
Jews control the banks - Swiss control the banks
Jews cook potato pancakes - Swiss cook potato pancakes
Jews charge for everything - Swiss charge for everything
Jews hate spending money - Swiss hate spending money
Jews like making money - Swiss like making money


Jewish Banker
http://www.perillos.com/pos3_degaulle.jpg

Swiss Banker
http://www.iisd.ca/sd/northsouth/pics/5hasenfratz.jpg

Again people, they are one and the same.

No they aren't.
Italians are the chosen people (chosen by whom and for what, it's unclear).
Really, compare swiss rösti to italian pizza and you'll see why.
Well I like both, alot.

I think that (European) Jews tend to be smarter because of the strong emphasis placed on education, success, and career in Jewish families. Also, Marx was not a Jew....His parents converted to Christianity and he was an Atheist who hated Judaism and (religion) in general. The whole point of BEING Jewish is to agree to the covenant with God, beleive in him and bear responsibility for abiding by his laws. That's why Jews were picked in the first place.So thats why the Jews were picked.

As a jew, i am smarter then all of you.

However, i don't know if this is because i am more intellectual then my enviroment, or because that i have levi genetics.

I go for option 1.

Also, believing in the Torah isn't very.. smart. yeah.Wuahahahaha..

Funnyguy. :D

Actually, if pay close attention, you'll realize that Jews and Swiss are in fact one in the same.
Jews love money - Swiss love money
Jews have gold - Swiss have gold
Jews are capitalist - Swiss are capitalist
Jews profit off everything - Swiss profit off everything
Jews have big noses and wring their hands over money with that Jew gleam in their eyes - Swiss have big noses and wring their hands over money with that Swiss gleam in their eyes
Jews are short and fat - Swiss are short and fat
Jews control the banks - Swiss control the banks
Jews cook potato pancakes - Swiss cook potato pancakes
Jews charge for everything - Swiss charge for everything
Jews hate spending money - Swiss hate spending money
Jews like making money - Swiss like making money


Jewish Banker
http://www.perillos.com/pos3_degaulle.jpg

Swiss Banker
http://www.iisd.ca/sd/northsouth/pics/5hasenfratz.jpg

Again people, they are one and the same.


Well I like both, alot.

So...do we call them Jiss, or Swews?

No, science didn't proof that Jews are scoring better as other humans.

This is so insane.

Besides that IQ tests do not measure intelligence and they are not scientific accurate

I'm pretty sure you're just lying.
Can you show a link from a serious source?

And even if it is true, it can be explained why one race/culture/nation is performing better in IQ tests than another.

But AGAIN, not 'cause some race or culture is superior or not.

By instance, I doubt if the Ethiopian Jews, on average, would score that well on IQ Tests....

Nutrition, familiarity with Western IQ test will make sure they will score, in general, low.

But hey the same racist would say 'yeah, but they are black'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

Well I'm not Jewish, so you can't say I'm just doing this to pamper my vanity. I'm Caucasian, which rates below Asian, and Jewish. :p

But once again I belive it's due to "flexible" genetics. "Flexible" genetics have to do with your environment. Racial genetics (one that don't change) have very little to do with intelligence, or anything else for that matter. Sure they exist, or else we all would look the same, but still.

Actually, even racial genetics can be altered by the environment after enough time. And then of course there's the issue about whether the Jews are even a race, or not.

Oh enough, go fuck off to Stormfront, you are starting to get annoying.:rolleyes:


I have to fuck off, 'cause I am not prepared to repeat the racist lines?

First of all "mother is Jewish, father is White" doesn't make any sense, since there are White Jews and non-White Jews. Second of all...this pisses me off:
"Mother is from German Jewish descent (so is not 100% Jewish by herself)"
What the hell do you know? I'm off German-Jewish descent.....that does not make me any less Jewish?? She can be a German who's family has lived in Germany for thousands of years, and if she's Jewish she is 100% Jewish, a real Jew. Being German-Jewish does not make you not 100% Jewish because you have "Aryan influences which take away from your Jewish-ness", ugh:rolleyes:



If your mother is Jewish and your father is white then you as a child are Jewish as well? Why? Are you not at least 50% white?






There are races, but Jewish is not a race. It's a religion and group that crosses through races and even through ethnicities.

And what did I wrote? (and yes, I know they are no race)

Hey....




Who the hell is "they", you tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist?

Links like I provided. They make a claim which isn't true at all.


.....? It's a popular game among Jews? Can I have a source?

Yes.


Jewish boys role models are not chess players.:rolleyes: Do you even know any Jews? Go visit Antwerp.... (Although they can be, as Jews are individuals, but I meant it in a general way to counter your very stupid generalization)

I'm partly Jewish.


Or rather, everything you said was wrong and everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it.


I'm wrong cause I don't eat that someone wrote "I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community" ?


Well, in that case: **** off yourself.

How is this topic different from asking are negros stupider?Because Jews are the chosen peoplechosen by whom?

omfg, potato pancakes! If only I had potatoes and not just boxes full of ramen... :(

The real question is...why is everything better in pancake form? I await the V8-pancakes that are sure to be delicious and healthy and will accompany our pancake overlords.

Actually, if pay close attention, you'll realize that Jews and Swiss are in fact one in the same.
Jews love money - Swiss love money
Jews have gold - Swiss have gold
Jews are capitalist - Swiss are capitalist
Jews profit off everything - Swiss profit off everything
Jews have big noses and wring their hands over money with that Jew gleam in their eyes - Swiss have big noses and wring their hands over money with that Swiss gleam in their eyes
Jews are short and fat - Swiss are short and fat
Jews control the banks - Swiss control the banks
Jews cook potato pancakes - Swiss cook potato pancakes
Jews charge for everything - Swiss charge for everything
Jews hate spending money - Swiss hate spending money
Jews like making money - Swiss like making money

Hey, you could probably stereotype us Chinese with those too. Save perhaps large noses and potato pancakes.

Oh, by the way, Edwinasia, if you'd actually bothered to read my posts, you'd have noticed that I wasn't actually expressing any agreement with the OP.

Please note that this does not include people who are actually racist and are called on it, such as Atlantian Islands, for example.
It's so nice to be included, even when I'm not part of the convo. :)
So...do we call them Jiss, or Swews?
Jiss, sounds better. Also, Switzerland has now been renamed Jewzerland and in German "die Schweiz' is now "die Judeiz".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

Well I'm not Jewish, so you can't say I'm just doing this to pamper my vanity. I'm Caucasian, which rates below Asian, and Jewish. :p

But once again I belive it's due to "flexible" genetics. "Flexible" genetics have to do with your environment. Racial genetics (one that don't change) have very little to do with intelligence, or anything else for that matter. Sure they exist, or else we all would look the same, but still.

Actually, even racial genetics can be altered by the environment after enough time. And then of course there's the issue about whether the Jews are even a race, or not.


The same source:

However some statistic data on Israel, which has about 50% of Ashkenazi Jews in its population show that Israel achieves lower average IQ scores than countries of Europe or East Asia
(Israel 94, England 100, Hong Kong 107). Israel however is multicultural in nature, where Jews, Muslims and Christians reside



Pfffffft

Hey, you could probably stereotype us Chinese with those too. Save perhaps large noses and potato pancakes.

Oh, by the way, Edwinasia, if you'd actually bothered to read my posts, you'd have noticed that I wasn't actually expressing any agreement with the OP.

Yes I saw. Nice flaw attack.

snip

If your mother is Jewish and your father is white then you as a child are Jewish as well? Why? Are you not at least 50% white?



And what did I wrote? (and yes, I know they are no race)


Again, you're contradicting yourself. If you study Judaism, you will see that in that group, the mother's status in this regard is the governing one for the child. If your mother is not Jewish, you must convert to become one. (If I'm wrong, any practicing Jew should feel free to correct me).

But in your own statement, you talk about someone being "50% White" as if it were transmitted as a racial property, then you turn around and say you know they are not a race.

Also, absent contention between differing degrees of orthodoxy, one isn't really "50% Jewish", one is either a Jew or not.

(Are Jews smarter than everyone else)... once again I belive it's due to "flexible" genetics. "Flexible" genetics have to do with your environment.Now we need to give YOU a Nobel price :D

The same source:

However some statistic data on Israel, which has about 50% of Ashkenazi Jews in its population show that Israel achieves lower average IQ scores than countries of Europe or East Asia
(Israel 94, England 100, Hong Kong 107). Israel however is multicultural in nature, where Jews, Muslims and Christians reside



Pfffffft

Read the last twelve words.

omfg, potato pancakes! If only I had potatoes and not just boxes full of ramen... :(
They are simply the best.
Hey, you could probably stereotype us Chinese with those too. Save perhaps large noses and potato pancakes.
It's not the same, trust me.
If your mother is Jewish and your father is white then you as a child are Jewish as well? Why? Are you not at least 50% white?
Some Jews ARE White....How do you not see that? If your mother is Jewish and your father is a white non-Jew then you are Jewish if you a raised as so and if you beleive in Judaism. You can be a full 100% white...that has nothing to do with being Jewish or not.

I'm partly Jewish.
:rolleyes: I said you havn't talked to many Jews. Having a Jewish grandpa waaay back in the family tree or whatever, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what I said....nor is it an adequete response.

"I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community"
That sounds about correct.

Yes I saw. Nice flaw attack.

Nice what? It sounds like a Pokemon move.

Surely flaws are meant to be attacked?

Again, you're contradicting yourself. If you study Judaism, you will see that in that group, the mother's status in this regard is the governing one for the child. If your mother is not Jewish, you must convert to become one. (If I'm wrong, any practicing Jew should feel free to correct me).

But in your own statement, you talk about someone being "50% White" as if it were transmitted as a racial property, then you turn around and say you know they are not a race.

Also, absent contention between differing degrees of orthodoxy, one isn't really "50% Jewish", one is either a Jew or not.

Really?

Well all those Jewish Chess Champion sites claim that the following people are Jewish, just to add their numbers:

• Vasily Smyslov 1 (1957-1958)
His father was Jewish, mother is Armenian

• Robert (Bobby) Fischer 2 (1972-1975)
His mother is from German Jewish descent (so is not 100% Jewish by herself), father is a white German.

• Garry Kasparov 3 (1985-2000)
His mother is a white Armenian, father is Jewish

And Fisher is known for being anti-Semitic, Kasparov isn't behaving as a regular Jew...

When you play at Google, you’ll receive the next results…

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,810 for "smart jews".

Results 1 - 10 of about 592 for "smart whites"

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,430 for "smart blacks".

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,520 for "smart asians"

Results 0 - 0 of about 0 for "smart americans"

Oh and….

Results 1 - 10 of about 51,400 for "smart animals".

I know the Google statistics listed above are the results of a very simplistic search. However, couple the results above with the fact that world Jewry at any time has never exceeded a population of about 25,000,000 people worldwide, the ratios of Smart Jews/World Jewish Population as compared to Smart Other People Group/Over Other Group World Population... the Smart Jewish ratio blows the top off of the ratio for any other people group listed.

If your mother is Jewish and your father is white then you as a child are Jewish as well? Why? Are you not at least 50% white?

If both parents are white, then the damn brat is 100% white. Judaism is a friggin' religion! It is NOT an ethnicity or race. If it was a race then tell me... how would someone like my husband whose parents are Jewish be able to renounce the religion and not have anything to do with it?

If it is a race then tell me, if I have children by my husband then what are they? Remembering that I'm from a Catholic family. It makes them what... 50% Jewish? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. If I don't 'baptise' my children in ANY religion they they can't be a member of any religion, which includes being Jewish.

Tell me... if "Jewishness" is part of the race bit then how does one convert into it? One cannot in theory or practice become a race.

Parents often opt to have their children follow the same religion as they do. So it's not uncommon for Jewish parents to have Jewish children, just like Catholic parents have Catholic children.

I'm partly Jewish.

This is amusing. Explain this one to the court.

Tell me... if "Jewishness" is part of the race bit then how does one convert into it? One cannot in theory or practice become a race.

Um...maybe if you like wearing a black fedora, or a skull-cap, they consider you smart enough to be a Jew anyway?

All people that are stating that Jews are superior or smarter than any other race or culture are just:


The dumbest dirty filthy ugly fat cockroaches, Earth ever saw, you should all be destroyed by my left foot.

May we drink your blood while you’re still alive.

ARE YOU A RACIST?

It is sad that Jews that suffered from racism a lot through the ages, suddenly have to perform racism by themselves.

Some definitions about racism, ‘cause you’re probably too stupid to enter the word racism in Google or Wikipedia...

Racism has many definitions, the most common and widely accepted being the belief that members of one race are intrinsically superior or inferior to members of other races.

According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

I never thought I'd have to ban someone for trolling racists, but here goes. Since trolling is a repeated offense for you, have a five-day vacation from this forum.

Learn to use the facts you very correctly wish to cite, without adding the trolling. Seriously.

The Atlantian Islands, I highly recommend that you discontinue that sort of response to other posters, or you'll be looking at a ban too.

Put certain people on your Ignore list if that's what's needed.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

Really?

Well all those Jewish Chess Champion sites claim that the following people are Jewish, just to add their numbers:

• Vasily Smyslov 1 (1957-1958)
His father was Jewish, mother is Armenian

• Robert (Bobby) Fischer 2 (1972-1975)
His mother is from German Jewish descent (so is not 100% Jewish by herself), father is a white German.

• Garry Kasparov 3 (1985-2000)
His mother is a white Armenian, father is Jewish

And Fisher is known for being anti-Semitic, Kasparov isn't behaving as a regular Jew...

And of course, "all those Jewish Chess Champion sites" speak for all Jews?

I thought your whole premise is that these sites are not credible. You've backed overself again, it might seem.

Since you dodged it, I'll remind you of the premise of my post:

You yourself claim that somebody can be "50%" Jewish because of parentage, as it if were transmitted as a racial property, then you turn around and say they are not a race.

People of mixed race are smarter because they have the least inbreeding in their ancestry. The jews just control the media so that's why it looks like they're smarter.:p

People of mixed race are smarter because they have the least inbreeding in their ancestry. The jews just control the media so that's why it looks like they're smarter.:p

See, if there really was a worldwide conspiracy of Jews controlling the media, you'd think they'd cancel The Sarah Silverman Show.

See, if there really was a worldwide conspiracy of Jews controlling the media, you'd think they'd cancel The Sarah Silverman Show.

LOL! I love it!:p

I never thought I'd have to ban someone for trolling racists, but here goes. Since trolling is a repeated offense for you, have a five-day vacation from this forum.

Learn to use the facts you very correctly wish to cite, without adding the trolling. Seriously.

The Atlantian Islands, I highly recommend that you discontinue that sort of response to other posters, or you'll be looking at a ban too.

Put certain people on your Ignore list if that's what's needed.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

Bound to happen. Wasn't this the person (Edwinasia) that made most offensive statements concerning my erotic habits?

LOL! I love it!:p

Look, after some of the posts on this thread, Sarah Silverman licking a dog's ass may seem appetizing by comparison, but there are other, better shows like Beat the Geeks that were tossed off the air to make room for self-indulgent crap like Sarah Silverman.

I never thought I'd have to ban someone for trolling racists, but here goes. Since trolling is a repeated offense for you, have a five-day vacation from this forum.

Learn to use the facts you very correctly wish to cite, without adding the trolling. Seriously.

The Atlantian Islands, I highly recommend that you discontinue that sort of response to other posters, or you'll be looking at a ban too.

Put certain people on your Ignore list if that's what's needed.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia
I apologize. Out of line.

Bound to happen. Wasn't this the person (Edwinasia) that made most offensive statements concerning my erotic habits?

Okay, none of my business, but...I just have to know...have a link or something?

Okay, none of my business, but...I just have to know...have a link or something?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13120204&posted=1#post13120204

With the rhetoric of "jews are a race!" and "jews are not a race!" the answer, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. It is a set of beliefs and practices that have nothing to do with genetics or heritage.

That being said, the religion of judaism has, historically, been largely insular, both from internal and external pressures. Jews (which is to say, those who practice the religion of judaism) typically, throughout history, have married and had children with other jews. This is for a few reasons. One is, of course, the historical problems jews have faced in many societies, leading them to be outcasts and near pariahs. Secondly, judaism as a practice values community, to the point of being highly exclusive. Keeping families "in the community" is highly valued in judaism, and there is significant pressure on young jews to marry and have children with other jews.

Because judaism, as a religion, is highly insular, it is not at all bizarre to expect certain genetic characteristics to be passed down through jewish lines. There have been studies done that can show someone's ancestry traced back to the original tribes, because of certain genetic characteristics.

So again, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. No, jews are not a race, but yes, jews do have a tendancy to share certain genetic characteristics that are less common in non jews. Whether those genetic characteristics have a tendancy to result in higher intellect...that's somewhat beyond my capacity to say.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13120204&posted=1#post13120204
Does that mean you like to eat shit?

(No I'm serious....not flame or a flame-bait or whatever, just actually seriously curious to know what that means exactly and what he likes to do)

Does that mean you like to eat shit?

(No I'm serious....not flame or a flame-bait or whatever, just actually seriously curious to know what that means exactly and what he likes to do)

It has an erotic connotation. You probably have dictionary at home.

It has an erotic connotation. You probably have dictionary at home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia
Oh! You could have just said scat....

So, it doesn't fully state...does that mean you like eating it..or playing with it...or...having sex with it..or I don't know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia
Oh! You could have just said scat....

So, it doesn't fully state...does that mean you like eating it..or playing with it...or...having sex with it..or I don't know?

It technically mean you are aroused by it, or possibly use it in strenuous activities. Necrophilia, Pedophilia, ect.

Jews do not scare all the Nobel prizes. .

I didn't know they were scary. Or that the prizes could be scared.

Jewish Banker
http://www.perillos.com/pos3_degaulle.jpg

Charles de Gaulle was a Jewish banker?

The plot thickens...

Um...maybe if you like wearing a black fedora, or a skull-cap, they consider you smart enough to be a Jew anyway?

:p Apparently my inlaws think so; they would have probably preferred that I converted rather than remain in my own little godless world. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia
Oh! You could have just said scat....

So, it doesn't fully state...does that mean you like eating it..or playing with it...or...having sex with it..or I don't know?

Not to be confused with;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scat_singing

:p

Charles de Gaulle was a Jewish banker?

The plot thickens...:D

I was wondering if Aridia or you would notice

Not to be confused with;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scat_singing

:p

Nor to be combined with :eek:

all the chess championships, etc.

Deep Blue was Jewish? I'd hate to see what they had to use to perform the bris.

Yes, Germans are clearly smarter than everyone else. :D

Woohoo! German and Jewish background here, I can't go wrong! :p

I think Brits could offer some competition: Newton, Darwin, Shakespeare... to name a few.

Woohoo! German and Jewish background here, I can't go wrong! :p
Same here! *High fives you in slow motion*

Smarter than the average non-Jewish person? Yes. But in which society do they live? They live within civilizations not built by their own. Secondly, non-Jewish geniuses trump theirs.

Stereotypically speaking,....sure, why the hell not?

And all asians are good at math, and white people cant dance, jump, or like chicken or watermelon.

White people definitely dance better than Asians. :p

There's scientific evidence that Ashkenazi jews are indeed smarter than most ethnic groups on this world, even surpassing East Asians, which have co´me to ´be the classical example of intelligence as a racial feature.

Reports of Asian intelligence have been highly exaggerated. This is more due to hard work than anything. Whites produce far more genius level individuals.

Actually, if pay close attention, you'll realize that Jews and Swiss are in fact one in the same.
Jews love money - Swiss love money
Jews have gold - Swiss have gold
Jews are capitalist - Swiss are capitalist
Jews profit off everything - Swiss profit off everything
Jews have big noses and wring their hands over money with that Jew gleam in their eyes - Swiss have big noses and wring their hands over money with that Swiss gleam in their eyes
Jews are short and fat - Swiss are short and fat
Jews control the banks - Swiss control the banks
Jews cook potato pancakes - Swiss cook potato pancakes
Jews charge for everything - Swiss charge for everything
Jews hate spending money - Swiss hate spending money
Jews like making money - Swiss like making money

.

There's so much that I could say, but due to the overwhelming free speech allowed, will not because my account would suddenly disappear.

I don't diss Jews by not recognizing that '...I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community...'

By NOT attacking that, you agree with him and are you dissing all other races and cultures.

I think you're putting yourself in a very very very dirty corner.

Africans are on average rather not stupid. And if you say different, then you are a racist.

It doesn't matter if you talk to an african genious or a dumb black bastard.

ill excuse what otherwise would seem to be a deliberate misunderstanding of my posts by reminding myself that english is not your first language.

Personal characteristics are independent of race/ethnicity/gender/anything else. It depends on your gifts at birth and how they are developed. So any and all arguments that 'jews are smarter' or 'white people can't dance' and such are just unfounded misinterpretations. You cannot judge a person by the societal, cultural, genetic, or ethnic affiliations. You also cannot judge a society by the extrema (such as high/low intelligence, poverty, unemployment, wealth distribution, demographics, and such.) because that is just misinterpretation of statistics.

Personal characteristics are independent of race/ethnicity/gender/anything else. It depends on your gifts at birth and how they are developed. So any and all arguments that 'jews are smarter' or 'white people can't dance' and such are just unfounded misinterpretations. You cannot judge a person by the societal, cultural, genetic, or ethnic affiliations. You also cannot judge a society by the extrema (such as high/low intelligence, poverty, unemployment, wealth distribution, demographics, and such.) because that is just misinterpretation of statistics.

exactly

we do much better developing the intelligence of all people then figuring out who IS smart instead of picking those who are likely to be smart and devoting extra resources to them. most people are plenty smart enough and genius is pretty evenly spread across the population regardless of how you group them.

Personal characteristics are independent of race/ethnicity/gender/anything else.

Are you sure?

As a Jew I voted no.

It mostly has to do with educational values in our culture. In a Jewish household education is valued and taught by all.

There's so much that I could say, but due to the overwhelming free speech allowed, will not because my account would suddenly disappear.
PLEASE do so! This topic amuses me to no end!:D

It is evident that Ashkenazi Jews perform approximately one standard deviation above whites and Asians on IQ tests (and this gap grows wider among blacks and Hispanics). Wikipedia has a highly interesting article on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)

When you play at Google, you’ll receive the next results…

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,810 for "smart jews".

Results 1 - 10 of about 592 for "smart whites"

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,430 for "smart blacks".

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,520 for "smart asians"

Results 0 - 0 of about 0 for "smart americans"

Oh and….

Results 1 - 10 of about 51,400 for "smart animals".

You know what happened when I searched you on Google?
2 Results.

One is from Jolt.

The second link says: "Live Amateur Sex Web Cams Sexcams - Fette"

Still want to use google as an estimate?

It is evident that Ashkenazi Jews perform approximately one standard deviation above whites and Asians on IQ tests (and this gap grows wider among blacks and Hispanics). Wikipedia has a highly interesting article on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)

You need to fix your link and put the last bracket before the [/url].

perhaps i should have said

what good does it do to say "africans are on average rather stupid" when you are talking to an african genius?

so that you didnt have to take yet another opportunity to diss jews.He is not dissing Jews.
Just like someone who says "Bush is an idiot".. is not dissing US.

You know what happened when I searched you on Google?
2 Results.

One is from Jolt.
only 2 results :confused:

post the Google search link i need to see that.

He is not dissing Jews.
Just like someone who says "Bush is an idiot".. is not dissing US.

ya know, with other people i would think that, but there was something about that post and others he had made that seemed suspicious to me. but i decided to chalk it up to not being a native english speaker. its harder to tell that sort of thing with a less than perfect english user.

My answer would be no and kind of.

POLITICAL INCORRECTNESS WARNING!:

"No," because they must be doing SOMETHING wrong to be history's punching bag (see Exodus, domination and persecution by the Romans, the Holocaust, David Duke, and I've been told that they're also going to hell if they don't accept Jesus as their savior....so much for "God's Chosen People")

---END POLITICAL INCORRECTNESS DISCLAIMER---

"Kind of" because they really place an emphasis on education, and thus they run some of the finest private schools in the country. In other words, they're not SMARTER, just better-educated than most.

"Kind of" because they really place an emphasis on education, and thus they run some of the finest private schools in the country. In other words, they're not SMARTER, just better-educated than most.is that Medical schools or Law schools? :D

No, 'nuff said.

Absolutely.

only 2 results :confused:

post the Google search link i need to see that.

I won't post the google search link because of the second result.

However, if you follow the following steps you can find out yourself:

1. type www.google.com into your browser thingy
2. type "edwinasia" into the search bar
3. click on search or "save time by hitting the enter key"
4. look at the results

I won't post the google search link because of the second result.

However, if you follow the following steps you can find out yourself:

1. type www.google.com into your browser thingy
2. type "edwinasia" into the search bar
3. click on search or "save time by hitting the enter key"
4. look at the results
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Bedwinasia
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=oceandrive2
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=oceandrive3
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=oceandrive

As a Jew I voted no.

It mostly has to do with educational values in our culture. In a Jewish household education is valued and taught by all.

While I agree with you, I'd have to say that one of the values that influences that is the level of education of the parents because my parents value education the same way my in-laws do. The difference? My family is Catholic, my in-laws are Jewish. :)

People who value knowledge, regardless of culture and any other factors as such will stress education as an important element in anyone's life.

Well I like both, alot.
me too, it was just for the sake of argument. Wanna a Stueck of Appenzellerkaese?

Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?

No, actually its all environmental. If you look through the history of the Jewish people, education sat at the centre of Jewish life - not sport, not commerce, but education.

What do I see in the 'west'? people who get glorified for being morons (Paris Hilton, Linsey Lohan, Amy Winehouse), people who happened to be gifted in sport etc. etc. When mediocrity is celebrated in society - what the heck do you think is going to happen?

you racist tit

you racist tit

That's sexist, I demand compensation.

Click Stand;13179339']That's sexist, I demand compensation.tit for tat ?

:D

If the Jews have done half the government controlling people claim they have, I'm pissed that I'm not one.

That said, they all have this weird tendency to want to learn, and thus it is inevitable that they will become smart. Damned smart.

That said, they all have this weird tendency to want to learn, and thus it is inevitable that they will become smart. Damned smart.Knowledge has nothing to do with being smart.

You can be very smart and know almost nothing. and vice versa.

No, of course not.

When it comes to mathematics (surely the best judge of intelligence? :D), I have to say, it's the French who have most of the big names I can think of. But as an Englishman I wouldn't even begin to suggest that's due to natural superiority...

If the Jews have done half the government controlling people claim they have, I'm pissed that I'm not one.



It takes a lot of work and some cutting;) but you can convert

It takes a lot of work and some cutting;) but you can convertall the work is done by the knifes and the medics..
unless you are talking about the pain. ;)

Knowledge has nothing to do with being smart.

You can be very smart and know almost nothing. and vice versa.

Sorry, but this is a silly myth people enjoy telling themselves. By the very process of accumulating masses of data and information to such a degree that you can access any of it offhand, you are fostering general intelligence. Certainly, it isn't uncommon to have to make sacrifices for that, like "emotional" or "social" knowledge, and thus intelligence, but saying knowing a shit ton of stuff doesn't make you smart is ridiculous. I'll give you that it might not necessitate "creative" intelligence, in that these people might not be the kind that can come up with solutions as easily, but they'll certainly be the type that are able to diagnose the problem more easily.

As someone of the Jewish persuasion, it's nice to hear feedback that doesn't focus on our typical money-grubbing tendencies. Still, I find it hard to accept that Jews are somehow smarter than any other ethnic/racial group. We are not without our share of idiots. Don't forget that Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a fellow Jew.

This thread sounds pretty racist...no race is naturally more intelligent than the other

Sorry, but this is a silly myth people enjoy telling themselves. By the very process of accumulating masses of data and information to such a degree that you can access any of it offhand, you are fostering general intelligence. Certainly, it isn't uncommon to have to make sacrifices for that, like "emotional" or "social" knowledge, and thus intelligence, but saying knowing a shit ton of stuff doesn't make you smart is ridiculous. I'll give you that it might not necessitate "creative" intelligence, in that these people might not be the kind that can come up with solutions as easily, but they'll certainly be the type that are able to diagnose the problem more easily.

Why would accumulation of facts=knowledge. If anything knowledge is the ability to process something after having no experience in the matter. Watching jeopardy every night won't make you smart, it will make you good at trivia.

This thread sounds pretty racist...no race is naturally more intelligent than the other
Damnit, if I had a Chanukah Geld for everytime I had to say this......:rolleyes:

Jews. Are. Not. A. Race. :headbang:

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/hanukkah-gelt.jpg

Damnit, if I had a Chanukah Geld for everytime I had to say this......:rolleyes:

Jews. Are. Not. A. Race. :headbang:

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/hanukkah-gelt.jpg

yeah, there are jews by race (i.e. related in some way to pre-diaspora jews) and jews by religion. Jews by religion aren't neccessarily always jews by race and visa-versa.

Ashkenazi Jews have been shown to be generally smarter than caucasoids of any phenotype. However, Sephardim and Mizrahi are, at the same time, generally less intelligent than caucasoids.

I know this doesn't prove anything, but...

When you generate a Jew character in D&D, your bonuses are +1 Intelligence and -1 Dexterity.

I think this is about right.




:D

yeah, there are jews by race (i.e. related in some way to pre-diaspora jews) and jews by religion. Jews by religion aren't neccessarily always jews by race and visa-versa.
No, becuase many Jews from different races and ethnicities claim descendence from te Diaspora....

Ethiopian Jews, Indian Jews, Arab Jews, Russian Jews, Danish Jews...ect, ect ect

All Jews, yet of all different ethnicities and races.

A culture that promotes academic achievement turns out more successful academics on average than other cultures with other values? There's a real surprise. [/sarcasm]

As someone of the Jewish persuasion, it's nice to hear feedback that doesn't focus on our typical money-grubbing tendencies. Still, I find it hard to accept that Jews are somehow smarter than any other ethnic/racial group. We are not without our share of idiots. Don't forget that Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a fellow Jew.

I can't work out where those (and others) stereotypes originated from - because if all things were consistent, my whole family would be Jewish.

What makes the crap in that work of fiction, different from any other?

Why is it more stupid to follow the Torah, than Dianetics, or the Book of Mormon?Your questions do not fit to what I wrote.

Dear moderators,


I would like it that you close down this racist thread.

I understand that you need some time to push a delete button.

But I assume that it would be enough to have some time till 14 November 2007 13:00 GMT

If this thread is still alive after that time, I'll report it to www.pcc.org.uk and www.ofcom.org.uk

I already complained about it several times. It's fighting with your own internal rules and legal UK ones.


Yours sincerely,

Edwinasia

I would like it that you close down this racist thread.

I see more discussing in this thread than "Jews are smarter", note that the thread title is a question.

Dear mods,

Please don't close this thread. I just opened up a fresh bag of popcorn and have prepared to watch the show as Edwinasia carries through on his empty threats.

Yours affectionately,
Bottle

I see more discussing in this thread than "Jews are smarter", note that the thread title is a question.

That he answered in its initial posting...

Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?

Source:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13175951&postcount=1

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/complain/internet/
The relevant OFCOM page for making an internet related complaint. Oh dear, nothing about internet content.

Making a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission about a newspaper or magazine could not be easier.
......
If you have a complaint about something in a newspaper or magazine or about the behaviour of a journalist which you think breaks the press Code of Practice
......
http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/process.html

I believe my point speaks for itself.

The OP has 3 (or 1.4%) posts in this thread, I haven't read the entire thread, but if it's just the OP who's said I really don't think that his opinion is a reason to rip the entire thread down.

Dear Mods,

Here is some research I did.

3. Does the PCC Code apply to user-generated content?

The test for the PCC is whether the material concerned is subject to editorial control within the terms of the Code of Practice (http://www.pcc.org.uk/cop/practice.html). Comments posted by users in chatrooms or in the form of unedited blogs would generally fall outside the jurisdiction of the PCC.

http://www.pcc.org.uk/faqs/index.html?id=47&pn=pages#faq_online3

There is a nice FAQ, and a forum (as it is like a delayed chatroom) would generally fall under "user generated content" since these are posts made by people who frequent the site.

The site you're using is more for media than blogs or sites, like this which are unedited, user-generated content. It falls outside of the Code of Practice. Just thought I'd post this for the mods.

I thought the site would contain helpful tid bits.

~ Kryo :)

Dear mods,

Please don't close this thread. I just opened up a fresh bag of popcorn and have prepared to watch the show as Edwinasia carries through on his empty threats.

Yours affectionately,
Bottle

Oh dear Bottle, surely there are things more worthy to watch while munching on that fresh popcorn. :) Why waste it on this?

Dear moderators,


I would like it that you close down this racist thread.

I understand that you need some time to push a delete button.

But I assume that it would be enough to have some time till 14 November 2007 13:00 GMT

If this thread is still alive after that time, I'll report it to www.pcc.org.uk and www.ofcom.org.uk

I already complained about it several times. It's fighting with your own internal rules and legal UK ones.


Yours sincerely,

Edwinasia

Dear Edwinasia,

Please make sure to add this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543047) to your reports. After all, you did post it in the belief that such a thread was illegal and against site rules.

Yours in irony,
HotRodia

Oh dear Bottle, surely there are things more worthy to watch while munching on that fresh popcorn. :) Why waste it on this?
Hey, how often do we have somebody trying to blackmail the mods into submission by reporting them for supposedly-illegal activities? Usually the trolls just flame a bunch and then sputter out. If Ed actually files this report we could have some serious fun!

Hey, how often do we have somebody trying to blackmail the mods into submission by reporting them for supposedly-illegal activities? Usually the trolls just flame a bunch and then sputter out. If Ed actually files this report we could have some serious fun!

You have a point, friend. Well... I guess I'll be supplying the marshmellows then. :)

You have a point, friend. Well... I guess I'll be supplying the marshmallows then. :)

Dryk bring fire?

Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?

Sounds a lot like racism to me

Hey, how often do we have somebody trying to blackmail the mods into submission by reporting them for supposedly-illegal activities? Usually the trolls just flame a bunch and then sputter out. If Ed actually files this report we could have some serious fun!

I for one would love to see the email correspondence resulting from these reports.

I for one would love to see the email correspondence resulting from these reports.
Dear Sir,

While we share your indignation at the rampant tomfoolery perpetrated by internet forum posters, the Press Complaints Commission is charged with enforcing the Code of Practice which was framed by the newspaper and periodical industry. Since Nationstates.net is not a newspaper or periodical, and since the General forum is obviously not subject to editorial control within the terms of the Code of Practice, we regret that we are unable to smite them with the mighty hammer of our wrath as per your request.

Sincerely,

The PCC

Dear Sir,

While we share your indignation at the rampant tomfoolery perpetrated by internet forum posters, the Press Complaints Commission is charged with enforcing the Code of Practice which was framed by the newspaper and periodical industry. Since Nationstates.net is not a newspaper or periodical, and since the General forum is obviously not subject to editorial control within the terms of the Code of Practice, we regret that we are unable to smite them with the mighty hammer of our wrath as per your request.

Sincerely,

The PCC


:D

Hey, how often do we have somebody trying to blackmail the mods into submission by reporting them for supposedly-illegal activities? Usually the trolls just flame a bunch and then sputter out. If Ed actually files this report we could have some serious fun!

I'm guessing there will be a lot of head scratching at the PCC if he does report it. But yes, it would be a lot of fun to see how they deal with it. I'm hoping that they also read through the Freedom of Speech thread, because I think that if they do, the possibility exists that they will offer a lot of Generalites regulars jobs, because many of you are both insightful and entertaining (which is what keeps me coming back). Hopefully Edwinasia will include that thread in his complaint.

I think NS just hit a new low with the crap on the previous page.:headbang:

I'm not quite sure whether to regret quitting this thread in exasperation or not. Would this be considered epic lulz or epic fail?

Dear Edwinasia,

Please make sure to add this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543047) to your reports. After all, you did post it in the belief that such a thread was illegal and against site rules.

Yours in irony,
HotRodia

And why not?

It's your board that is allowing racism.

You can't say 'we didn't know or we were not aware', I guided you several times to the suspicious racist posting, I demanded several times to clean it up.

And till now, you're not prepared to do it.

By allowing racism, I consider you accept racism as a normal way of expression, while it is not.

It's obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory and in this case particular spam as well.

So it's fighting against your OWN rules.

Instead, dear moderators, you banned a guy who said that all racists are cockroaches.

This is making your colour even clearer.

I will not talk anymore about this subject, everything is settled and arranged.

When that thread is not gone tomorrow, don't start moaning later.

Racism is illegal in UK and not only in the context or combination with discrimination.

By allowing someone a platform to show racist lines or promote child porn, you're guilty as well.

And don't think or assume I will not do it. If needed, I report it tomorrow. Period.

Oh and btw my grandfather is Jewish.... That guy died in 1943 for another kind of racists...

There is only one way this can end if it continues.

http://yogibrewer.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/p1_piniella.jpg

I would've used a pick of Sweet Lou throwing a base, but I couldn't find one.

And don’t think or assume I will not do it. If needed, I report it tomorrow. Period.
*runs from teh interweb police*

Do you seriously expect a complaint to be upheld by the Press Complaints Commission?

Oh and btw my grandfather is Jewish.... That guy died in 1943 for another kind of racists...
Worst. Godwin. Ever.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/complain/internet/
The relevant OFCOM page for making an internet related complaint. Oh dear, nothing about internet content.



Also, from the OFCOM site...

Ofcom does not investigate individual consumer complaints. The information you provide below will help us monitor consumer issues, and we may investigate a company if monitoring data reveals a particular problem. However, please do not ask Ofcom to pursue individual cases.

They deal with consumer issues, not content.

Oh, and the bold is theirs, not mine.

And why not?

It's your board that is allowing racism.
HotRodia doesn't own the board. Jolt does, and Max Barry pays for its use.

You can't say 'we didn't know or we were not aware', I guided you several times to the suspicious racist posting, I demanded several times to clean it up.
But what they can say is 'It doesn't break the Terms of Service or any applicable laws, we don't have to do anything about it, so we're not going to'. Though since the people you're threatening to report them too won't do anything about it, they won't have to say anything.

And till now, you're not prepared to do it.

By allowing racism, I consider you accept racism as a normal way of expression, while it is not.
In your opinion.

It's obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory and in this case particular spam as well.
It is none of those things.

So it's fighting against your OWN rules.
Nope.

Instead, dear moderators, you banned a guy who said that all racists are cockroaches.
Which is against the rules. Not hard to understand.

I will not talk anymore about this subject
Awwww, but it's so much fun to watch you flail harmlessly like this. Like a fish out of water.

When that thread is not gone tomorrow, don't start moaning later.
Why would they? It's not like there's going to be any consequences of them not deleting the thread. Aside from you being terribly embarrassed.

Racism is illegal in UK and not only in the context or combination with discrimination.
Which law does it break?

By allowing someone a platform to show racist lines or promote child porn, you're guilty as well.
Just as guilty as your good self, who posted a thread about how Belgians are 'ubermenschen'. I wonder if the UK has an extradition agreement with Belgium

And don't think or assume I will not do it. If needed, I report it tomorrow. Period.
Go ahead. Report it now. Please. And post the response you get from each group, please. For the lulz.

Oh and btw my grandfather is Jewish.... That guy died in 1943 for another kind of racists...
My grandfather is Irish and died of lung cancer in 2006. What's your point?
Also, from the OFCOM site...



They deal with consumer issues, not content.

Oh, and the bold is theirs, not mine.

Maybe they'll make an exception for NSG? :p

And why not?
It's your board that is allowing racism.
You can't say 'we didn't know or we were not aware', I guided you several times to the suspicious racist posting, I demanded several times to clean it up.
And till now, you're not prepared to do it.
Not prepared to give in to your demands? That much is true.

By allowing racism, I consider you accept racism as a normal way of expression, while it is not.
It's obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory and in this case particular spam as well.
So it's fighting against your OWN rules.

You have yet to prove that any of the racist discussion that was allowed to continue is any of those things.

Instead, dear moderators, you banned a guy who said that all racists are cockroaches.


Calling people names is clearly against the rules.

This is making your colour even clearer.
I will not talk anymore about this subject, everything is settled and arranged.
When that thread is not gone tomorrow, don't start moaning later.
Racism is illegal in UK and not only in the context or combination with discrimination.
By allowing someone a platform to show racist lines or promote child porn, you're guilty as well.

No one here is promoting child porn. That would be against the rules. Also, no one is promoting discrimination. If the OP had said "I think Jews are smarter than anyone else, so we must now shoot all non-Jews" that would be promoting. The OP merely asked "Are Jews smarter?" Not promoting action, asking a question.

And don't think or assume I will not do it. If needed, I report it tomorrow. Period.


... I can't think of a response to this that doesn't send me into fits of giggles.

Oh and btw my grandfather is Jewish.... That guy died in 1943 for another kind of racists...
That is a shame, and I am very sorry to hear it. If only those racists had been exposed to discussions like this one, where they got to air their beliefs and hear the beliefs of others expressed in a civilized manner and hopefully learn from it, perhaps your grandfather would not have died in 1943.

Africans usually refers to black (sub-Saharan Africans) who born anywhere on earth seem to rise to great athletic achievements.

Asians, in the American useage - that's the usual suspects plus Mongolia. And it will be interesting to see the performance of Asian Indians and Southeast Asians.

Here is a thought experiment to put it into perspective. Let's say two people are shooting basketball free throws, one shoots 90% and one shoots 80%. Can we say who is the better free throw shooter?

Two races could be compared like that too - who produces more athletes and geniuses and so forth? Can any race produce as many geniuses per capita as the Jews?

Statistical probability is the important thing, from which we can make predictions and valid generalizations.

Race is socially constructed because we associate it with skin color, one of many of thousands of genetic characteristics that is absolutely not determinant to any other genetic factor. However, culturally/socially, people are guided by society and even environment into certain activities. Subsaharan "black" peoples have much genetic and ethnic diversity.

Yes there are populations that have genetically developed genetic traits that MAY transfer to sporting events, but this is because some sports test only basic phisical abibilities. So, peoples who have developed, in general, more genetic traits that lend to endurance, do very well in long distance running. AGAIN, this is NOT determined whatsoever by skin color or even ethnicity.

These same principles can generally be applied to other particular racial/genetic arguments, such as asians inherently being good a math. Again, a cultural phenomenon.

You want to simplify by makning a determinant factor out of genetic traits that have no determinant relationship with each other. There have been plenty of peer reviewed studies that have put this to rest and have shown that this is really a cultural phenomenon. This should prove that cultural pressure and norms are a powerful mechanism in society, therefore creating inaccurate genetic stereotyping.

Maybe they'll make an exception for NSG? :p

well, we ARE exceptional. :p

Race is socially constructed because we associate it with skin color, one of many of thousands of genetic characteristics that is absolutely not determinant to any other genetic factor. However, culturally/socially, people are guided by society and even environment into certain activities. Subsaharan "black" peoples have much genetic and ethnic diversity.

Yes there are populations that have genetically developed genetic traits that MAY transfer to sporting events, but this is because some sports test only basic phisical abibilities. So, peoples who have developed, in general, more genetic traits that lend to endurance, do very well in long distance running. AGAIN, this is NOT determined whatsoever by skin color or even ethnicity.

These same principles can generally be applied to other particular racial/genetic arguments, such as asians inherently being good a math. Again, a cultural phenomenon.

You want to simplify by makning a determinant factor out of genetic traits that have no determinant relationship with each other. There have been plenty of peer reviewed studies that have put this to rest and have shown that this is really a cultural phenomenon. This should prove that cultural pressure and norms are a powerful mechanism in society, therefore creating inaccurate genetic stereotyping.


Very well said!




If I may offer you a bit of off topic advice... Jolt is sometimes quite slow... don't hit the submit reply button again just because it is taking a really long time, because that is how you end up with multiple posts. Just give it a few minutes to churn along. :)

Oh and back to the topic, now we are not smarter. I know this just by looking at my fraternity house.

We are some of the biggest dumbasses around. We do stupid shit like blow up jelly donuts with firecrackers (long story). As horrible jokes we throw unopened beer cans into camp fires and wonder why they explode. (that was just one dumbass actually) Oh and when we camp in the middle of the woods, nothing wakes a tend full of sleeping people like a firecracker.

Oh and if anyone asks, we'll just say we are Samis (bad Jewish fraternity as opposed to the good one I belong to).

I assume you're that guy that's sitting behind in the classroom. The one no teacher ever liked. The one with the low grades. The one nobody liked.

Yeah, the one behind in the classroom

Isn't?

At least you're too lazy to read even the first initial posting. The one that is answering the question in the title…

Before you take part of any discussion, you should inform yourself a little.

You didn’t. You just saw a bash festival and your lower grouping instinct is taking over…



Are Jews smarter?
________________________________________
Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?

Source:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13175951&postcount=1

Look at the 1 behind.


...

well, we ARE exceptional. :p
Yes indeed.
I assume you're that guy that's sitting behind in the classroom. The one no teacher ever liked. The one with the low grades. The one nobody liked.

Yeah, the one behind in the classroom

Isn't?
And you wonder why you were banned. Try acting with some maturity and stop insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

At least you're too lazy to read even the first initial posting. The one that is answering the question in the title…

Before you take part of any discussion, you should inform yourself a little.
You should take your own advice, and inform yourself as to what the PCC and Ofcom do.

By the way, what happened to I will not talk anymore about this subject this?

Yes indeed.

And you wonder why you were banned. Try acting with some maturity and stop insulting everyone who disagrees with you.


You should take your own advice, and inform yourself as to what the PCC and Ofcom do.

By the way, what happened to this?

iFreann?

Oh yeah. That's that guy that said about the initial posting it was not racism, then he changed his mind and said it was racism, later it was again not racism. The last time I checked you, you confirmed it was racism.

And now? Is it still racism?

Well if it is racism then it should be removed. And if the Muds are not doing it then I'll do it for them.


Someone in the hall said:
"What will YOU do with your life when this board is dismantled?"

Someone else:
"Which life?"

Dear sir.

I am afraid you are mistaken on a great many points. Allow me to highlight some of them using your last post as example.

It's your board that is allowing racism.
Quite. It does. As long as it's not prohibited by the owner of this private site, it falls under freedom of expression - since it is not illegal.


You can't say 'we didn't know or we were not aware', I guided you several times to the suspicious racist posting, I demanded several times to clean it up.

And till now, you're not prepared to do it.

By allowing racism, I consider you accept racism as a normal way of expression, while it is not.
Expressing racism - in and by itself - is legal on this board.


It's obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory and in this case particular spam as well.
Racism is not per definition any of those things. It would have to be judged on a post-by-post basis.


So it's fighting against your OWN rules.
Sir, I'm afraid you are mistaken.


Instead, dear moderators, you banned a guy who said that all racists are cockroaches.
Because that, sir, would be against the rules. See "trolling" and/or "flaming".


Racism is illegal in UK and not only in the context or combination with discrimination.
Sir, I'm afraid that you are completely wrong. Racism is not illegal in the UK, as you can see on this infopage from the UK home office (http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/rrpbcrbook.html#Section1). I have quoted a part here for your convenience. Highlights are curtecy of yours truly:
2. What we mean by racist or religious crime

A racist or religious offence or crime - is an offence where the prosecutor has to prove a racial or religious element as part of the offence itself, or where the law allows the prosecutor to put that evidence to the court when an offender is being sentenced.

There is no single criminal offence of racist crime or religious crime. There are a number of different offences where we have to prove a racial or religious element before the accused person can be found guilty.

I should also mention that the EU has not criminalized racism, as per your previous claim, nor have I seen any evidence to support your claim that most of Europe have outlawed racism - discrimination and the inciting of violence and hatred based on racism notwithstanding.


By allowing someone a platform to show racist lines or promote child porn, you're guilty as well.
Sir, you are comparing two different things, as racism is not in and by itself illegal, while the posession and distribution of child pornography is.

If you find that someone is inciting hatred or violence motivated by racism, you could possibly have a case. Thus far none of the posts you have pointed to does any such thing. Please try again if the situation warrants it. As of now, it does not.


And don't think or assume I will not do it. If needed, I report it tomorrow. Period.
Godspeed, sir. Be adviced, you are wasting your time and your bandwith.

iFreann?
Capital I, lower case f :)

Oh yeah. That's that guy that said about the initial posting it was not racism, then he changed his mind and said it was racism
So? Do you have a problem with me changing my mind?
, later it was again not racism. The last time I checked you, you confirmed it was racism.
No, no, no. I later said it wasn't inciting racial hatred. You understand the difference between racism and inciting racial hatred, don't you?

Well if it is racism then it should be removed.
Strange, I haven't seen a single rule or law that agrees with you.
And if the Muds are not doing it then I'll do it for them.
How are you going to do that exactly? By wasting the time of the PCC and Ofcom? Best of luck, you'll need it.

Why wait when you can report it today!

BTW, I love the way you describe yourself in the location part, but the article An is wrong, I'm afraid... it should be A.

Good luck.

Maybe if you're being oppressed all time you have more to think about :confused:

Ah iFreann,

It's still racism?

Good.

Racism is illegal in UK.

Again. You can say 'some people think that whites are superior'.

But you can't say 'I think that whites are superior'.

In the first line, you're debating racism, in the second one, you're doing racism by yourself.

Our OP, who replied 2 mores times (which is making him a troll), used the second version.

And for the record, there are plenty of departments where I can enter a complaint.







Capital I, lower case f :)


So? Do you have a problem with me changing my mind?

No, no, no. I later said it wasn't inciting racial hatred. You understand the difference between racism and inciting racial hatred, don't you?


Strange, I haven't seen a single rule or law that agrees with you.

How are you going to do that exactly? By wasting the time of the PCC and Ofcom? Best of luck, you'll need it.

Racism is illegal in UK.
Factually incorrect, as demonstrated by Gravlen above.

Again. You can say 'some people think that whites are superior'.
Yes, you can.

But you can't say 'I think that whites are superior'.
Actually, you can.

In the first line, you're debating racism, in the second one, you're doing racism by yourself.
Pretty much, yeah.

Our OP, who replied 2 mores times (which is making him a troll), used the second version.
How many times you reply isn't what makes you a troll.

And for the record, there are plenty of departments where I can enter a complaint.
What are these departments that have the power to enforce laws that don't exist?

Someone in the hall said:
"What will YOU do with your life when this board is dismantled?"

Someone else:
"Which life?"
Let's make a bet, shall we?

If Nationstates General is dismantled due to your complaints, I will send you a personal check in the amount of $5000 American.

If it's not, you send me a personal check in the amount of $5000 American.

Deal?

The Jews are smarter, because they choose to succeed and go to Harvard where they will learn the ways of media and law which will help them take in their parent's footsteps of RULING THE FUCKING WORLD.

Unnecessary conflict amuses me greatly