NationStates Jolt Archive

You will see things like using her left direction light (=don’t know the real word in English) and turning right.

We call them 'indicators' in the UK, as they indicate the direction that the driver intends to turn. Don't know the American term, of course.

For some reason many women mixing left and right all the time. Very funny.

Look at the average women, how she’s parking her car…

It’s all common, the part of their brain that’s dealing spatial information is different and smaller compared to that of men.

Also women their motoric skills are in general much lower.

You want evidence? Ask some women to throw a ball. :)

... Y'know, normally I'd criticise your spelling and grammar, but Kormanthor seems to have as little grasp of either, either. Err... ;)

I have a problem with the bolded statement as he did not say that men drivers are worse than women drivers.
I don't, who do you think the majority of the idiots drag racing through city streets at 3 am in fancy cars compensating for their small penises are?

Sooner or later you will see some woman struggling with the concept car.
More often than not I'll see some idiot man who decided to modify his car with rope lights, blasting his music while his idiot best friend yells out the side of the car at pedestrians. Then the driver will usually almost run over a pedestrian at the crosswalk.

Look at the average women, how she’s parking her car…
Nothing at all like the men who park diagonally accross two spots, huh?

It’s all common, the part of their brain that’s dealing spatial information is different and smaller compared to that of men.
Actually, while women on average have poorer spatial reasoning skills this a) does not affect driving and b) can be changed with various activities (such as piano playing) c) women's brains are generally smaller than men's, this doesn't make women less intelligent, we just cram more neurons into the same amount of space.

Now, if you want to tell me that girls are worse than boys at math (something spatial reasoning skills actually affects) then I'll pwn you right now.

You want evidence? Ask some women to throw a ball. :)
Sure, should I aim at your head?

It's not the women. It's the orientals.

oriental drivers are the worst
i can drive much faster in reverse
oh mr.win wong
wish u drove like u play ping pong
i've been behind u for the longest time

-Sung to the tune of "For The Longest Time" by Billy Joel.

It's not the women. It's the orientals.

oriental drivers are the worst
i can drive much faster in reverse
oh mr.win wong
wish u drove like u play ping pong
i've been behind u for the longest time

-Sung to the tune of "For The Longest Time" by Billy Joel.
If anything, it's the elderly. A couple of years ago some old person drove for 20 mins with a pedestrian under their car in the middle of the winter. They didn't notice they'd hit someone until they got home.

At the risk of sounding like one of Remote Observer's Islam bashing threads, though personally I think rightfully it should be a US bashing thread

Why are the US still supporting this bunch of backward mediaeval misogynists?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7000499.stm

Indeed. As an American, I gotta agree with you.

At the risk of sounding like one of Remote Observer's Islam bashing threads, though personally I think rightfully it should be a US bashing thread

Why are the US still supporting this bunch of backward mediaeval misogynists?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7000499.stm

Self-interest.

At the risk of sounding like one of Remote Observer's Islam bashing threads, though personally I think rightfully it should be a US bashing thread

Why are the US still supporting this bunch of backward mediaeval misogynists?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7000499.stm

SA is getting better and more free as time goes on...

I remember when they started the elections for local officials. A small step towards full democracy.

Don't know how much international pressure will be mounted against the Saudis. I support the Saudi women, and I plan on doing it economically. Incidentally, I utilize my bicycle for most of my transport, and due to odd luck, I have not actually driven anywhere in the past six weeks.

Interesting. Kor seems to have disappeared since page 15. I'm afraid she might be preparing something.

*Dismisses previous thought. Heads to bar, promptly served Guinness. There are definite benefits to the concept of local pubs.*

I wonder if New Mitanni thinks these feminists are going to far. With ideas like wanting the right to drive, I'm sure they'll never get laid.

They're not feminists, though. They're Freedom Feminists (note the caps). Adding the word Freedom makes it totally in line with the American Way, and all that other bullshit I can't say with a straight face.

I wonder if New Mitanni thinks these feminists are going to far. With ideas like wanting the right to drive, I'm sure they'll never get laid.

I agree. Preventing the latter is very important, as once they learn to read, they can pick up all sorts of ideas.

I agree.

Kormanthor is the perfect example of why women shouldn't be allowed to read.

Or use the internet, for that matter.

I agree.

Kormanthor is the perfect example of why women shouldn't be allowed to read.

Or use the internet, for that matter.

[For Kor to read:]

That's both biased and entirely false. You should be killed for that, along with most rapists (men in general)

[/Kor's reading]

[For everybody else, especially those that understand humor]

Careful, Kor might hear you, and then everything will be ruined. That's why I keep my references to her in very, very small type. My hope is that she'll miss it the same way she missed the whole point about traveller's abroad are required to abide by the sovereign laws of the nation that said traveller is in.

[/everybody else.]

That's all I got to say, for now...

SA is getting better and more free as time goes on...

I remember when they started the elections for local officials. A small step towards full democracy.

That is true, but they've got a hell of a long way to go. I doubt there will ever be democracy in that country under the current government, although it's likely most of the prerequisites (rising education, wealth, and opportunities) will be built under the current regime.

However, the fact that these women are actually delivering a petition is a step in the right direction. If only the US would pressure them to accept it...our relationship does work both ways, after all, and given the trend in the world oil market I imagine the Saudis are losing the influence they once had. That'll definitely make them more open to negotiations in the future.

I don't do any of those things anywhere especially kill babies or rape women. Men are rapist of women .... not other women.

Is that a fact? (http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book/companion.asp?id=8&compID=95)

It would appear not. Well what do you know?

No, you are under jurisdiction of the country you are in. At no time do the laws not apply to you.

Sofa is:

Also:

Clearly not under their jurisdiction :rolleyes:

Yes, and what decides the jurisdiction? The SOFA. I never said that military members aren't ever under the jurisdiction of the host country, I said the SOFA determines when they are and aren't.

For example, a situation in Korea that normally would have been tried in Korean courts, but since it was in the course of their military work (as outlined in the SOFA) they were tried under US jurisdiction, not Korean.

. For example, in 2002 in South Korea, two girls were accidentally killed by a U.S. military AVLB bridge laying vehicle on the way to the base camp after a training exercise, and the soldiers involved were tried under U.S. criminal jurisdiction. The court martial panel found the act to be an accident and acquitted the service members, citing no criminal intent or negligence. The U.S. military accepted responsibility for the incident and paid civil damages. The U.S. soldiers who drove the bridge laying vehicle were reassinged to the United States. This resulted in widespread outrage in Korea, demands that the soldiers be retried in a Korean court, the airing of a wide variety of conspiracy theories and a backlash against the local expatriate community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Forces_Agreement#Host_nation_concerns

I was in the service in 1976 - 78 so it might have changed since then. If they lied to me then thats on them.

Possibly. Clinton's "kindler and gentler Army" thing changed quite a few things.

The Most Serene government finds women in general are very dangerous drivers.
They tend to hit things, then cried and wails, making bystanders confused whose fault it is.

Dakini;13064908]More often than not I'll see some idiot man who decided to modify his car with rope lights, blasting his music while his idiot best friend yells out the side of the car at pedestrians. Then the driver will usually almost run over a pedestrian at the crosswalk.

I don't know in which neighbourhood you're riding around, but in mine we don't kill pedestrians.

But I agree, 'Johnnies' (or tuning boys) can't drive either.


Nothing at all like the men who park diagonally acrosstwo spots, huh?


At least they didn't hit the cars behind and in front. :)


Actually, while women on average have poorer spatial reasoning skills this a) does not affect driving and b) can be changed with various activities (such as piano playing) c) women's brains are generally smaller than men's, this doesn't make women less intelligent, we just cram more neurons into the same amount of space.

I already said the same. I even said that women are in general smarter than men. Only they can't drive.

Now, if you want to tell me that girls are worse than boys at math (something spatial reasoning skills actually affects) then I'll pwn you right now.

They are. But they are better in simultaneous translating. Almost all are women. It's not coincidence.


Sure, should I aim at your head?


When you are a girl then you would miss. Even if you are just 3 feet away from me.

Btw: You have to see women playing soccer -> Hilarious! :p

Lost in the midst of a thread-wide masturbatory celebration of male chauvinism/Kormanthor-baiting are some valid social commentaries about the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Simply put, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a backwards regime ruled by an archaic fundamentalist religious sect that is the most responsible for generating much of the world's most publically covered Islamic terrorism acts.

The only two things that Saudi Arabia has going for it that allows it to continue being a backwards regime ruled by an archaic fundamentalist religious sect that is the most responsible for generating much of the world's most publically covered Islamic terrorism acts is that it just happens to sit upon two of the world's most valuable commodities:

Oil, and a major religious holy site.

I also find it amusing that quite a few people who ranted in favor of King George the Turd's Iraqi disaster on the premise that it was freeing the country from a secular dictator who was oppressing the populace would gladly step up in favor of Saudi Arabia, which is also oppressing at least part of the populace.

Again, Oil and Mecca are the only two reasons Saudi Arabia can be a backwards regime ruled by an archaic fundamentalist religious sect that is the most responsible for generating much of the world's most publically covered Islamic terrorism acts with impugnity.

Remember, this is the same country that was the home of Osama Bin Ladin and most of the 9-11 hijackers.

Boycotting Saudi Arabia will mostly be a fruitless symbolic gesture as long as those two cushions are there to pamper the damn House of Saud.

You take away the cushion provided by oil and/or Mecca, and what you have is a backwards regime ruled by an archaic fundamentalist religious sect that is the most responsible for generating much of the world's most publically covered Islamic terrorism acts that is starting to see its wallet shrink to dangerously Kate Moss proportions.

Taking away Mecca in one sense or another is impractical or dangerous as it will simply strengthen and unify Islamic support for the backwards regime ruled by an archaic fundamentalist religious sect that is the most responsible for generating much of the world's most publically covered Islamic terrorism acts.

So that leaves taking away the cushion of oil. Work on, perfect, refine and mass-distribute alternative sources of energy such as ethanol and bio-diesel.

Then watch those backwards fuckers squirm as oil starts becoming less of a hot commodity. When the cash cow gets anemic, then maybe they'll start to get it in their heads that they need to catch up with modern times.

Perhaps if I had phrased my question more clearly we would have avoided so many pages of dross. My bad.

Can the US (home of the brave land of the freeway) justify its foreign policy as being about promoting freedom and democracy when it so clearly ignores such inequality in a country like Saudi Arabia simply because it has oil and provides strategic military bases? What is so diffrerent about Saudi Arabia compared to Iran and Afghanistan that there are not calls to 'bomb it back to the stone age' (though obviously Saudi social policy appears to still be in the stone age)?

I wonder if New Mitanni thinks these feminists are going to far. With ideas like wanting the right to drive, I'm sure they'll never get laid.

I think they're asking to be raped by driving.

Snip.

I make an effort to pwn in the thread and someone else does instead. Ah well. Congrats. :p

Actually, while women on average have poorer spatial reasoning skills this a) does not affect driving and b) can be changed with various activities (such as piano playing) c) women's brains are generally smaller than men's, this doesn't make women less intelligent, we just cram more neurons into the same amount of space.
**WARNING: Neuroscience Nerd Levels At Critical! INCOMING NERDINESS!!**

Just felt like providing some helpful info about brains as relating to this topic.

1) Size doesn't matter. The variation in average brain size between males and females doesn't actually matter when it comes to things like driving ability. It doesn't really seem to matter much at all, in point of fact. People with very large heads are not necessarily any smarter than people with small heads. People with larger brains are not necessarily any smarter than people with smaller brains. (Assuming they are still within the normal range of brain size, of course.)

2) Dakini made a great point about changing our abilities through training. I ran across an article in the Economist where they talked about a recent study on how well people can spot unusual objects that appear in their field of vision. They used a test in which the subject was supposed to identify an “odd man out” object in a briefly displayed field of two dozen otherwise identical objects. The males in the study had a 68% success rate, while the females had a 55% success rate.

Seems like one of those "biological" things, right? Male brains are better at this task! Ta-da!

Oh, but wait...

The researchers then asked some of their subjects to spend ten hours playing "Medal of Honour: Pacific Assault," a high-action shooter game. Another group was asked to spend ten hours playing a puzzle game called "Balance," a non-action-packed non-shooter game. Then they retested the subjects using the "odd man out" test.

The subjects who'd played Balance didn't show any significant change. The subjects who'd played Medal of Honour showed improvement. But, more importantly, the women who'd played Medal of Honour showed more improvement than the men who had played it, so much so that the women in that group ended up scoring just as well as the men on the "odd man out" test.

Perhaps even more importantly, this effect persisted for quite a while after the experiment! When the men and women were tested six months down the road, the abolishment of the sex differences was still there.

So look at that. Ten hours of playing a videogame can wipe out a supposed "gender difference" between male and female brains.

**WARNING: Neuroscience Nerd Levels At Critical! INCOMING NERDINESS!!**

Just felt like providing some helpful info about brains as relating to this topic.

1) Size doesn't matter. The variation in average brain size between males and females doesn't actually matter when it comes to things like driving ability. It doesn't really seem to matter much at all, in point of fact. People with very large heads are not necessarily any smarter than people with small heads. People with larger brains are not necessarily any smarter than people with smaller brains. (Assuming they are still within the normal range of brain size, of course.)

2) Dakini made a great point about changing our abilities through training. I ran across an article in the Economist where they talked about a recent study on how well people can spot unusual objects that appear in their field of vision. They used a test in which the subject was supposed to identify an “odd man out” object in a briefly displayed field of two dozen otherwise identical objects. The males in the study had a 68% success rate, while the females had a 55% success rate.

Seems like one of those "biological" things, right? Male brains are better at this task! Ta-da!

Oh, but wait...

The researchers then asked some of their subjects to spend ten hours playing "Medal of Honour: Pacific Assault," a high-action shooter game. Another group was asked to spend ten hours playing a puzzle game called "Balance," a non-action-packed non-shooter game. Then they retested the subjects using the "odd man out" test.

The subjects who'd played Balance didn't show any significant change. The subjects who'd played Medal of Honour showed improvement. But, more importantly, the women who'd played Medal of Honour showed more improvement than the men who had played it, so much so that the women in that group ended up scoring just as well as the men on the "odd man out" test.

Perhaps even more importantly, this effect persisted for quite a while after the experiment! When the men and women were tested six months down the road, the abolishment of the sex differences was still there.

So look at that. Ten hours of playing a videogame can wipe out a supposed "gender difference" between male and female brains.

Yes, it's called predispositions, a concept many don't seem to be able to grasp. While it is well documented that the male and female brains are predisposed towards slightly different tasks, it is just as well documented that that predisposition is, for all intents and purposes, meaningless with the correct training. Hell, I actually just heard an interesting tidbit about how a very large portion of American street racers are actually women, now.

Also, to the topic of diplomatic immunity that was touched on in this thread. The idea of diplomatic immunity is that if something small goes wrong, the time need not be wasted on it and create inefficiencies in diplomatic relations. However, this also operates under the assumption that those graced with diplomatic immunity aren't going to willfully ignore the rules of the country they are a host of. If you actually intend to ignore the rules of that country, you have no place there as a diplomat ambassador and, honestly, I would hope they'd let you rot in that country's jail system.

Yes, it's called predispositions, a concept many don't seem to be able to grasp. While it is well documented that the male and female brains are predisposed towards slightly different tasks, it is just as well documented that that predisposition is, for all intents and purposes, meaningless with the correct training. Hell, I actually just heard an interesting tidbit about how a very large portion of American street racers are actually women, now.

Also, to the topic of diplomatic immunity that was touched on in this thread. The idea of diplomatic immunity is that if something small goes wrong, the time need not be wasted on it and create inefficiencies in diplomatic relations. However, this also operates under the assumption that those graced with diplomatic immunity aren't going to willfully ignore the rules of the country they are a host of. If you actually intend to ignore the rules of that country, you have no place there as a diplomat ambassador and, honestly, I would hope they'd let you rot in that country's jail system.

Actually, you'd be declared a persona non grata, and you'd be thrown out. The Vienna Convention basically states that for a recognized diplomat (i.e: a person sent over as the recognized ambassador or a member of the ambassador's staff), once they are declared a persona no grata, they have to leave, or face prosecution. The declaration is essentially a statement that a particualr person willl not berecognized as a member of the diplomatic mission, and thus the host country will not extend diplomatic immunity to that person beyond giving them a small, yet reasonable, time frame to depart from the host country.

Of course, the home country of that diplomat could waive the immunity, and thus let the hosting country prosecute that person at will. This happens, too.

Yes, it's called predispositions, a concept many don't seem to be able to grasp. While it is well documented that the male and female brains are predisposed towards slightly different tasks,

Actually, no, that's not "well-documented." It's highly contested. In fact, there's not a single such "predisposition" that enjoys sufficient consensus in the medical and scientific community.

There's an article you should check out from last month's Journal of the American Medical Association. A guy named Dr. Ioannidis and his colleagues evaluated 432 published research claims concerning gender and genes.

It turned out that not a single one of them held up. Only one had ever even been reproduced.

Seriously, all that hoo-hah you hear about "innate differences" is really a lot of rotten thin ice. We simply don't know, at this point.


it is just as well documented that that predisposition is, for all intents and purposes, meaningless with the correct training.

Most research has, thus far, been unable to establish that "nature" endows us with any of these supposed predispositions in the first place. Research has also established that "nurture" is absolutely capable of endowing us with them.

At the very least, this means that the male and female brains are equally capable of learning to perform a very wide range of tasks. Since 99.9% of what humans do is NOT directed by instinct or innate knowledge, this leads me to care very little about my particular "predispositions."