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In English, brethren can and is used to mean something other than blood-related brother. What the original word means or is is irrelevant.

Responding to edit in a separate post.

You are arguing that the meaning of 'adelphos' is irrelevent to our understanding of a scripture originally written in Greek, and which most of us only ever read in translation?

Not. the. point.
In English, brethren does not have to mean blood-related brother. What the original word in Greek or Hebrew that we got "brethren" from in the text means has nothing to do with that fact.

How is it not the point? The text wasn't written in English. The English is only a translation.

Did Jesus have 'brothers' is the question - and the English suggests that he did. The Greek (from which the English is translated) suggests the same thing, even more strongly.

You can quibble about the meaning of the word 'brother' or 'brethren' if you wish - you can through less and less common 'meanings' out to confuse the issue - but it will always come down to Lincoln's dog... just because YOU choose to call it's tail a leg, doesn't mean it has five legs.

Responding to edit in a separate post.

You are arguing that the meaning of 'adelphos' is irrelevent to our understanding of a scripture originally written in Greek, and which most of us only ever read in translation?
If that is the word it was translated from (if you just took a translator and changed English to Greek, that doesn't work) and that means a specific thing, then that's what the word means. But without the original text, the English language is too ambiguous to be able to say "this is definitely what they meant when they said this." That is the problem with the Bible in the first damn place.

You keep records? :confused:

You're the one saying that people today do...I dont personally but whoever is must have like an entire section of the Pentagon on my activities

If that is the word it was translated from (if you just took a translator and changed English to Greek, that doesn't work) and that means a specific thing, then that's what the word means. But without the original text, the English language is too ambiguous to be able to say "this is definitely what they meant when they said this." That is the problem with the Bible in the first damn place.

What the hell are you talking about?

I told you that the Greek scripture says 'adelphos'. I didn't tell you I popped it into a translator - I even referred to the etymology of the word... although I could have been more explicit and shown how 'adelphos' is actually 'a- delphos'.

In the Greek scripture, the word we translates as brother CAN be translated other ways - but it's most common usage is the literal interpretation suggested by it's etymology.

Indeed - at one point, Jesus plays on this assumption by talking about his 'brothers' as having been replaced by his new 'brothers'.

Common usage makes 'adelphos' a sibling with which one shares at least one parent... the absolute accurate etymological meaning would be that the MOTHER must be the common parent, since she is the only uterus-equipped parent.

Indeed - at one point, Jesus plays on this assumption by talking about his 'brothers' as having been replaced by his new 'brothers'.
Wait, what?

And I was making a point about arguing about what the Bible says using the English translation and words. I agreed that is that is what was said in the Greek text, that is what it means.

That is the best thing I've read in a while. I never laughed so hard in my life.



It's perfectly fine to joke about the "virgin" Mary (the hemphrodite). There is nothing wrong with it. After all, we can mock Mohammad and just about any other religious figure freely here. So, she's fair game and as good as any for NSG's meat grinder.

If you don't like it, you're really in the wrong place if you get so easily offended over something as trite as this.



At any given moment, anything on NSG can carry a sexual undertone.



C'mon, they've got vending machines for everything there, why shouldn't there be one for undies? :)



And NSG is not the Church so...



Wasn't Eve the maternal progenitor?



Holy knickers. :)



Ear sex. ;)


Thanks for clearing that up...and I just watched the family guy episode with ear sex so I found that quite amusing..and ok so they vend undies..but why only teenage girl undies..silly japs with their silly fantasies about having sex with demons that have tentacles for..well you know...oh and so you know everything I say on NS general has a sexual undertone to it....Did you read the bit that Brach wrote about stuff getting on panties???....that was disturbing and hilarious at the same time...

It's perfectly fine to joke about the "virgin" Mary (the hemphrodite). There is nothing wrong with it. After all, we can mock Mohammad and just about any other religious figure freely here. So, she's fair game and as good as any for NSG's meat grinder.

Wow, I just TOTALLY took a different meaning to that :eek: *scrubs brain*

At any given moment, anything on NSG can carry a sexual undertone.

Ain't that the truth... :p

oh and so you know everything I say on NS general has a sexual undertone to it...

So it's like that game on Whose Line Is It Anway?.. if you know what I mean..

exactly

Wow, I just TOTALLY took a different meaning to that :eek: *scrubs brain*
Maybe I wanted you to. :)

Wouldn't the underwear closest to heaven be Jesus' tighty whiteys?

Wouldn't the underwear closest to heaven be Jesus' tighty whiteys?

See what I mean? Mental images I didn't need. :p

See what I mean? Mental images I didn't need. :p
You obviously missed the episode of Family Guy where Stewie walked in on Jesus taking a bath.

There's also the one with Quaqmire outside the Griffen house while Louis yells at Peter if he Likes to eat red carpet...HAHAHA..or the Numerous times when that old man hits on Chris...

I came upon a site that says "panties are the closest thing to heaven".
I can't link it here cause...it an obscene email.

But it just struck me that I don't agree with that statement. Panties aren't the closest thing to heaven, they're disgusting. I mean don't people realize what it is that chicks do to their undies?
They be doing number 1 and number 2 in them probably. Not to mention that other stuff that chicks be doing in them. And did I mention that nasty thing called sweating? And if they're sweating you never know what diseases they might have.

Panties aren't heaven, they're just plain gross.

EDIT: It just struck me, a guy is sniffing some chicks undies. How does he know that she didn't have the runs just before he started sniffing them? Disgusting.

Heh what a strange post? Are you working through some catholic guilt perhaps? Or is it a sex is bad thing, err thing? You do realise that men do the same in their pants(okay I'm English so pants IS the right word) cept the bleedin', but you know women have umm products for that yeah!

Really what prompted this post? I'm more interested in that!

Heh what a strange post? Are you working through some catholic guilt perhaps? Or is it a sex is bad thing, err thing? You do realise that men do the same in their pants(okay I'm English so pants IS the right word) cept the bleedin', but you know women have umm products for that yeah!

Really what prompted this post? I'm more interested in that!

Anything that bleeds that much and doesn't die ain't right...I am still convinced women are some sort of half breed alien species...:confused:..also you should read Brach's quote in my SIG..if you thought the first post was fucked up wait till you read that lol

Anything that bleeds that much and doesn't die ain't right...I am still convinced women are some sort of half breed alien species...:confused:..also you should read Brach's quote in my SIG..if you thought the first post was fucked up wait till you read that lol

Might wanna trim that a bit, you're way over 8 lines.

actually not..but the stupid quote box takes up too many...

It's perfectly fine to joke about the "virgin" Mary (the hemphrodite). There is nothing wrong with it. After all, we can mock Mohammad and just about any other religious figure freely here. So, she's fair game and as good as any for NSG's meat grinder.


We can?

We can?

People do it all the time.

In fact someone on here had a really fun post making an insult to every god he could think of after Sovie said something along the lines of "you shouldn't insult Allah."

I enjoy mocking Mohammad/Allah more so than any others...as you get a MUCH better reaction from the Islamic community than the Christian one..because quite frankly most Christians just don't give a damn...I however throughly enjoy stirring up hornets nests :D

People do it all the time.

In fact someone on here had a really fun post making an insult to every god he could think of after Sovie said something along the lines of "you shouldn't insult Allah."

Allah but not Muhammad.

Allah but not Muhammad.

Does it make a difference?

Mais oui! Si quelqu'un ne peut pas nous comprendre, il faut simplement partir!

D'accord. Si on est sur un forum anglais, on devra parler anglais! :p

Das Wissen von einer anderer Sprache ist willkommen hier nicht…

My German is furchtbar: "The speaking of other languages is not welcome here"?

In the Bible there is none at all. It's not hard to verify.

The point about 'brethren' is very acceptable.

Except, there's no reason to accept it literally. How do we know it doesn't mean "And the faithful" or "The disciples" or "His extended family," etc? As I said, never at any point does it say "And Mary, the mother of Jesus and James...etc."

Whatever the case, if the Bible is silent, Tradition sure as hell isn't.

My German is furchtbar: "The speaking of other languages is not welcome here"?

The knowledge rather than the speaking

We can?

Of course we can. We can insult any god we like to, it's not like they're going to smite us. :)

Of course we can. We can insult any god we like to, it's not like they're going to smite us. :)

Don't tempt me

Of course we can. We can insult any god we like to, it's not like they're going to smite us. :)

exactly..I like Prevoking people though..I find it funny when people get angered by things said on the Internet


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WTF LOL

Dude, it is the language of the Philosophers and of the Church.

Bienqu'il soit la langue de l'eglise, il y avait nombreux philosophes qu'ils n'ont jamais parler latin. Je préfére la français: la langue de Voltaire, Maupassant, et Molière.

For the record, I'd like to point out in St. Paul's epistles, he often refers to the faithful as "brethren," or, in the Latin "Fratres." If we go with the logic that "brothers" literally must mean "brothers," St. Paul's parents must really have loved each other...

Heh what a strange post? Are you working through some catholic guilt perhaps? Or is it a sex is bad thing, err thing? You do realise that men do the same in their pants(okay I'm English so pants IS the right word) cept the bleedin', but you know women have umm products for that yeah!

Really what prompted this post? I'm more interested in that!
:eek:
Girls bleed in their undies. Gross and disgusting. Wait. Why are they bleeding? Did they cut themselves. Or do they have some kind of bleeding disease.

:eek:

Bienqu'il soit la langue de l'eglise, il y avait nombreux philosophes qu'ils n'ont jamais parler latin. Je préfére la français: la langue de Voltaire, Maupassant, et Molière.

And that trumps the Church any day of the week.

The knowledge rather than the speaking

Thanks, I haven't spoken German in years.

Bienqu'il soit la langue de l'eglise, il y avait nombreux philosophes qu'ils n'ont jamais parler latin. Je préfére la français: la langue de Voltaire, Maupassant, et Molière.

Dude, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Bonaventure, St. Agustine, St. Anselm...need I really continue?

People do it all the time.

In fact someone on here had a really fun post making an insult to every god he could think of after Sovie said something along the lines of "you shouldn't insult Allah."

Yeah, someone else sigged it, but I can't remember who. :(

Of course we can. We can insult any god we like to, it's not like they're going to smite us. :)

But I don't think I have ever seen anyone insult Muhammad before ever on NSG. It seems to be impossible, I mean I really want to insult him, i'm trying really hard. But something is stopping me from doing it.

Dude, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Bonaventure, St. Agustine, St. Anselm...need I really continue?

Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Alexander Dumas, Rene Descartes. And I fail to see what worth Bonaventure has, though I'll acknowledge the other three as making some advances in Christianizing already existing ethical frameworks (namely those of Plato and Aristotle) and of coming up with the Ontological Argument (Anselm, if you didn't know this).

But I don't think I have ever seen anyone insult Muhammad before ever on NSG. It seems to be impossible, I mean I really want to insult him, i'm trying really hard. But something is stopping me from doing it.

Mohommed was a hippocrit, a liar, and a pervert. He had sex with a 9 year old, and though he preached a maximum of 4 wives, he had like 12 or 13. He was afraid of the male organs, and he preached that if one pees, and some of the pee splashes upon the clothing, that the person is impure and God won't hear him. However, he specifically has no problem at all with drinking water that's been peed in, since "water cannot become impure."

Hell, he died saying "Where shall I 'pass' next, where shall I 'pass' next? (Translation: Who am I gonna have sex with? Who am I gonna have sex with?)

It's just too damned easy to insult Mohommed. The Mohommedan faith is just plain gay.

:eek:
Girls bleed in their undies. Gross and disgusting. Wait. Why are they bleeding? Did they cut themselves. Or do they have some kind of bleeding disease.

:eek:

someone tell me he's joking...please tell me its a joke..

Mohommed was a hippocrit, a liar, and a pervert. He had sex with a 9 year old, and though he preached a maximum of 4 wives, he had like 12 or 13. He was afraid of the male organs, and he preached that if one pees, and some of the pee splashes upon the clothing, that the person is impure and God won't hear him. However, he specifically has no problem at all with drinking water that's been peed in, since "water cannot become impure."

Hell, he dyed saying "Where shall I 'pass' next, where shall I 'pass' next? (Translation: Who am I gonna have sex with? Who am I gonna have sex with?)

It's just too damned easy to insult Mohommed. The Mohommedan faith is just plain gay.

Learn to spell.

Mohommed was a hippocrit, a liar, and a pervert. He had sex with a 9 year old, and though he preached a maximum of 4 wives, he had like 12 or 13. He was afraid of the male organs, and he preached that if one pees, and some of the pee splashes upon the clothing, that the person is impure and God won't hear him. However, he specifically has no problem at all with drinking water that's been peed in, since "water cannot become impure."

Hell, he died saying "Where shall I 'pass' next, where shall I 'pass' next? (Translation: Who am I gonna have sex with? Who am I gonna have sex with?)

It's just too damned easy to insult Mohommed. The Mohommedan faith is just plain gay.

Thats more criticism then insults. I want proper insults. Like "mary was a bitch", but say it about muhammad. I can't. But i don't freakin know why.

someone tell me he's joking...please tell me its a joke..

Got you. LOL

But the bleeding on the undies thing and then someone sniffing it. Yeah. That's disgusting and gross.

Learn to spell.

I corrected "dye" to die" afterwards. But by gosh, those Arabic names are so damned difficult to get down. They should get real names, dammit.

I corrected "dye" to die" afterwards. But by gosh, those Arabic names are so damned difficult to get down. They should get real names, dammit.

Like what? John, Jon, Johann, Johnny, Jonathon, Johnathon, etc.?

Nail your own fucking names down, European.

Thats more criticism then insults. I want proper insults.

Ok:

Mohommed was a pedophile camel fucker. :D

Dude, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Bonaventure, St. Agustine, St. Anselm...need I really continue?

Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir, René Descartes, Blaise Pascal, Jacques Prévert... ai-je besoin de continuer? ;)

Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir, René Descartes, Blaise Pascal, Jacques Prévert... ai-je besoin de continuer? ;)

Jean Boudrillard

Ok:

Mohommed was a pedophile camel fucker. :D

Baby camels? The bastard! :eek:

Ok:

Mohommed was a pedophile camel fucker. :D

So it's possible! I think you are now unofficially the first person to insult muhammad on NSG!

It's just too damned easy to insult Mohommed. The Mohommedan faith is just plain gay.

If Islam was gay they'd dress so much better. And shave, dear god those beards!

That's an achievement? :p

It was a nice try. :D

and of coming up with the Ontological Argument

That's an achievement? :p

If Islam was gay they'd dress so much better. And shave, dear god those beards!

Hey! Don't insult the beard (though I'm not Muslim, just a brown guy who hates shaving).



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so the guy that blows a fuse over someone insulting the Virgin mary has no problem insulting mohammed...silly hypocritical catholics...and your boy loving ways...;)

so the guy that blows a fuse over someone insulting the Virgin mary has no problem insulting mohammed...silly hypocritical catholics...and your boy loving ways...;)

ohhhhh daaaayaaaaaaaammmmmmmm

Jean Boudrillard

Albert Camus, Michel Onfray, Marcel Proust...

Plus French is a living language so you can use it to talk to hot French girls; most of the hot, Roman girls are a bit mouldy by now.

Albert Camus, Michel Onfray, Marcel Proust...

Plus French is a living language so you can use it to talk to hot French girls; most of the hot, Roman girls are a bit mouldy by now.

Oh, I know. I'm on your side on this one, though I'd also add your Matisse's, Duchamp's, etc.

Yeah, but they at least shave their pits :eek::p

Hey! Don't insult the beard (though I'm not Muslim, just a brown guy who hates shaving).



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A close beard is fine, a beard all the way to your balls is a bit much.

It was a nice try. :D

I still remember my "WTF?!?!" moment when I first read the Ontological Argument. I knew there was a flaw but it took me ages to work out what it was.

A close beard is fine, a beard all the way to your balls is a bit much.

You insulting santa?

I still remember my "WTF?!?!" moment when I first read the Ontological Argument. I knew there was a flaw but it took me ages to work out what it was.

It has to do with the flawed premise of existence being a quality that something can have, rather than being a requirement to have qualities.

Oh, I know. I'm on your side on this one, though I'd also add your Matisse's, Duchamp's, etc.

Yeah, but they at least shave their pits :eek::p

Damn, I didn't think of that! How are French-Canadians on personal hygiene?

I still remember my "WTF?!?!" moment when I first read the Ontological Argument. I knew there was a flaw but it took me ages to work out what it was.

I still don't understand how it made sense in the first place. The only thing it proves (even though it doesn't) is that it's impossible to think of God not existing, because then there is something greater then God that does exist, which is impossible.

and I don't wear underwear......but that's off topic.

Very sexy Smunkee :fluffle:.

I have no idea why I checked this thread though...

Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir, René Descartes, Blaise Pascal, Jacques Prévert... ai-je besoin de continuer? ;)

Who are all those people? Friends of yours?

Hey! Don't insult the beard (though I'm not Muslim, just a brown guy who hates shaving).

Yeah, me too. I just have a mustache though.

It just struck me, a guy is sniffing some chicks undies. How does he know that she didn't have the runs just before he started sniffing them? Disgusting.

It was a bra (athough this probably isn't directed towards me). And I only sniffed it because some jackass threw it at me. In my defense, it smelled nice.

Yeah, me too. I just have a mustache though.

Pfft, you're 13. You have peach fuzz, if that.

Pfft, you're 13. You have peach fuzz, if that.

Pfft, you wouldn't be saying that if you knew how many requests I got to shave. My history teacher once tried to shave me on a school trip. I talked him out of it.

ohhhhh daaaayaaaaaaaammmmmmmm

I told you I enjoy stirring up hornets nests =P..and Im not even going to go into why a guy would sniff a girls panties..you childrins dun need ta be hurrin none bout that nonsense

I told you I enjoy stirring up hornets nests =P..and Im not even going to go into why a guy would sniff a girls panties..you childrins dun need ta be hurrin none bout that nonsense

In my defense: It was a bra, someone threw it at me, and it smelled nice.

I red that..I was just saying...:p

Pfft, you wouldn't be saying that if you knew how many requests I got to shave. My history teacher once tried to shave me on a school trip. I talked him out of it.

I've seen your picture. You've got peach fuzz. Though pretty good for a 13 year old.

I've seen your picture. You've got peach fuzz. Though pretty good for a 13 year old.

Yeah. Most people my age have about three hairs, and then they shave. There's one guy's got a huge beard (stubble) but he shaved it.

I red that..I was just saying...:p

Come on, man. Give me a break.

Right so we went from:

Underwear being closest to heaven aka vagina, some stuff about WYTYG staffing in German Scheisse films and Johnnys encounter with a bra, to 'Virgin' Mary's panties being closest to heaven, to several pages arguing wheterh Jesus had brothers or sisters with Gataway trying to steer this thread back on topic. The revelation of undie dispensing machines in Japan, some continous religious arguing, Muhammed being called a baby camel fucker by Gens Romae and now shaving.

Bravo NSG, Bravo.

Right so we went from:

Underwear being closest to heaven aka vagina, some stuff about WYTYG staffing in German Scheisse films and Johnnys encounter with a bra, to 'Virgin' Mary's panties being closest to heaven, to several pages arguing wheterh Jesus had brothers or sisters with Gataway trying to steer this thread back on topic. The revelation of undie dispensing machines in Japan, some continous religious arguing, Muhammed being called a baby camel fucker by Gens Romae and now shaving.

Bravo NSG, Bravo.

Starring, if you please, starring.

Yeah. Most people my age have about three hairs, and then they shave. There's one guy's got a huge beard (stubble) but he shaved it.



Come on, man. Give me a break.

I knew a guy who at age 13 had a full beard. Five o'clock shadow at noon. He never got any taller. Short little fella now. Though at 13 he was normal height.

Right so we went from:

Underwear being closest to heaven aka vagina, some stuff about WYTYG staffing in German Scheisse films and Johnnys encounter with a bra, to 'Virgin' Mary's panties being closest to heaven, to several pages arguing wheterh Jesus had brothers or sisters with Gataway trying to steer this thread back on topic. The revelation of undie dispensing machines in Japan, some continous religious arguing, Muhammed being called a baby camel fucker by Gens Romae and now shaving.

Bravo NSG, Bravo.

I've seen things go from aluminium/aluminum to religion, this is nothing.

GUYS I can settle this once and for all...Mary was a Virgin..unless you count anal.....let the fires roar :D

Bless 'er widduh heart.

I should have known better than to have clicked this thread. It's given me any number of mental images I didn't want. :eek:

Sit up straight and pay attention!
*smacks knuckles with ruler*

Okie dokie. This is one of those threads that I'm amused and weirded out at the same time.

The BESTEST kind!

In the past two days, I've been accused of being Jesussaves....Sacred Property...and "Zalam." What the hell?!?!

I guess the proof would be in observing your typing style.

Rule #34 leads me to believe that there is a website with pictures and possibly video to that effect out there somewhere.


Fuck you, internet. Fuck you.

I sincerely hope you just don't know rules 1 and 2.

Bienqu'il soit la langue de l'eglise, il y avait nombreux philosophes qu'ils n'ont jamais parler latin. Je préfére la français: la langue de Voltaire, Maupassant, et Molière.

:fluffle:
Et c'est la langue de Rousseau, Diderot et Montesquieu, aussie. (Et la langue du l'amour.

Dude, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Bonaventure, St. Agustine, St. Anselm...need I really continue?

When you are up against Voltaire? Yes.

Right so we went from:

Underwear being closest to heaven aka vagina, some stuff about WYTYG staffing in German Scheisse films and Johnnys encounter with a bra, to 'Virgin' Mary's panties being closest to heaven, to several pages arguing wheterh Jesus had brothers or sisters with Gataway trying to steer this thread back on topic. The revelation of undie dispensing machines in Japan, some continous religious arguing, Muhammed being called a baby camel fucker by Gens Romae and now shaving.

Bravo NSG, Bravo.

Add in the French vs. Latin Language debate and the English taking over the world.

someone tell me he's joking...please tell me its a joke..

actually it isn't blood, it is tissue that has a different name... that I forget. Smells different then blood though. Ew....

Whatever the case, if the Bible is silent, Tradition sure as hell isn't.

Which is why 'tradition' is the enemy of scripture.

If you're just gonna make shit up, you can't expect people to take it seriously.

For the record, I'd like to point out in St. Paul's epistles, he often refers to the faithful as "brethren," or, in the Latin "Fratres." If we go with the logic that "brothers" literally must mean "brothers," St. Paul's parents must really have loved each other...

Paul's epistles weren't written in Latin. Vulgate text is just a translation.

Just thought it was worth pointing that out.

Also worth pointing out, Paul isn't Jesus.

I knew a guy who at age 13 had a full beard. Five o'clock shadow at noon. He never got any taller. Short little fella now. Though at 13 he was normal height.

Weird.

:eek:
Girls bleed in their undies. Gross and disgusting. Wait. Why are they bleeding? Did they cut themselves. Or do they have some kind of bleeding disease.

:eek:

What are you, 8? Haven't you ever heard of menstruation or periods?