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if you beleive some races are superior to other, Yes.. that makes you a racist.
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Do I care about what Kyronea says?

Only losers are racist. I'm a winner. I won every single race.

I'm not racist, I have a colour TV.

I'm not racist, I have a colour TV.

No, that just means you hate both black AND white people.

if you beleive some races are superior to other, Yes.. that makes you a racist.
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Do I care about what Kyronea says?
Um... whaaa? :confused:

No, that just means you hate both black AND white people.

But....but...I'm white.


Well, I'm realistically skin-coloured.

I am 100% against your line of though.
But lets assume for a second I wanted to pick the strongest race.. for a multi-billion dollar space travel adventure..

One of the ways would be the Olympics

http://www.beijen.net/frank/arti/2002/owens-j.jpg

Gotta love Jessi Owens.

Gotta love Jessi Owens.gives Lancaster a cookie.

Why Do You Think Naziism Is Wrong Or Right? Post here and say your opinion about it and i will respond to what your point is.
Since your English sucks so much - just like your stupid opinions, I'm gonna tell ya in a language that you oughta understand, nazi-boy:

So, jetzt paß mal auf, Du Vogel.

Deine Sorte braucht die Welt nun wirklich nicht - also zieh Leine und verpiß Dich.

Wenn Du wirklich noch Gründe brauchst, warum es falsch ist, Nazi zu sein - dann kann ich Dich echt nur bemitleiden und Dich daran erinnern, was diese ganze Scheiße der Welt eingebrockt hat.

Geh zurück in die Schule und lern doch mal was über unsere Geschichte.

Deine tumben Parolen, Phantasien und Geschichtsverdrehereien sind einfach lachhaft.

Mach'n Abgang, grab Dir ein Loch, und verzieh Dich - es gibt schon einen Grund, warum Scheiße braun ist...


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gives Lancaster a cookie.

*grabs cookie and runs back Manor twp.*

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Wo Unrecht zu Recht wird, wird Widerstand zur Pflicht.

German Nightmare Advisory System:
I Don't Have An Anger Problem
I Have An Idiot Problem

Appropriate.

So who decides what race is essentially weaker?...and how?

Well... Look at result of WWII.

Russians (Slavs) beat the hell out of Germany.

Jews were awarded with state of Israel, have strongest military in the region and are happy to be supported by probably the most militarily powerful country on Earth.

Germany is watched all the time by everyone anti-Nazi.

So which race is weaker?:D

Appropriate.
Right on, my friend, right on.

Why Do You Think Naziism Is Wrong Or Right? Post here and say your opinion about it and i will respond to what your point is.

It is wrong and it is right-wing of course.;)

I read the Mein Kampf some years ago. I think it is safe to assume that the Mein Kampf is the Nazi manifesto.
Well, apart from being an horrible example of prose, and apart from being a clear case for a psychiatrist, I'd say that assuming that one "race" claiming to have rights to mass-murder or enslave other "races" is ethically disgusting and scientifically stupid.

There is no such thing as human "race". Expecially in Europe. Expecially in Germany - hey, how come that many Prussians (supposedly all of the Germanic "race") have Slavic family names, like Clausewitz/Klosevic. Or that many Germans have dark hair and eyes - not very "aryan" in the Nazi view. The ethnical groups are so blended, and always have been, that it is scientifically meaningless to separate humanity into "races".

About the ethics, I'd say that killing or enslaving people to take their land and resources is impossible to approve of.

By the way, Nazism and Fascism have deprived Germany and Italy of some of their best minds (may I just quote Albert Einstein and Enrico Fermi?).

Nazism and Fascism suck like a vacuum cleaner designed for the american 110V standard and running on the european 220V.

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Jews were awarded with state of Israel, have strongest military in the region and are happy to be supported by probably the most militarily powerful country on Earth.
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So which race is weaker?:DLooks to me like you are suggesting Jews are superior to Muslims/Arabs.

Looks to me like you are suggesting Jews are superior to Muslims/Arabs.

Militarily, they are.

Militarily, they are. his final line was So which race is weaker?

Deine Sorte braucht die Welt nun wirklich nicht - also zieh Leine und verpiß Dich.
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Ich liebe Deutschland, auch weil so viele Deutsche die Nazis hassen.

Militarily, they are.
No, militarily the IDF and various Israeli militias were superior to various Arab militaries and militias.

These nuances are actually important.

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Dammit, I said to myself that I didn't want to post in this thread and now look what you did!

Ich liebe Deutschland, auch weil so viele Deutsche die Nazis hassen.
Thanks.
I believe than except for a few brainless idiots we really have learned a valuable lesson from our past.

If by Nazi-ism you mean the racially and nationally supremecist band of thugs that ruled Germany from 33 to 45 then I reckon the abhorrent disrespect for and subsequent slaughter of those who were different to them should be reason enough to distrust them.

Economically they had a few good ideas, but let's face it; that's not worth cold-blooded murder.

No, militarily the IDF and various Israeli militias were superior to various Arab militaries and militias.

These nuances are actually important.

Yes I know what they are but being technical with OcceanDrive is like doing heart surgery. Difficult.

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Dammit, I said to myself that I didn't want to post in this thread and now look what you did!

I can not help that :D

Dammit, I said to myself that I didn't want to post in this thread and now look what you did!well, at least you are not spamming with dozens of silly pictures -like the other Germans- Just to prove you are anti-Holocaust.

Thanks.
I believe than except for a few brainless idiots we really have learned a valuable lesson from our past.

Same goes for us Italians. :)

I believe than except for a few brainless idiots we really have learned a valuable lesson from our past.
Cue to post a whole bunch of recent and very faintly related articles from Spiegel Online...

Something about Rommel (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,484510,00.html) - everyone likes to talk about Rommel!

Something about a "German Pacifist Streak" (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,483952,00.html)

Something about the less pacifist Germans (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,484286,00.html)

Economically they had a few good ideas...Yes they did.. but that was their Job -That is the Job of every Government- we elect Govs to put forward good economic policy.

In no way that is relevant with the subject of genocidal discrimination againt the Gypsies, Gays, Slaves, Semites, Roma, Polish and others. (If you notice I did not mention the Jews.. its because they have been mentioned alone for decades)

well, at least you are not spamming with dozens of silly pictures -like the other Germans- Just to prove you are anti-Holocaust.
It's the only thing one can do with a nazi like that - trying to argue with him or disprove his points is absolutely futile.
Kicking his teeth in might also work - but I'm not a big fan of violence.
Same goes for us Italians. :)
Yay!
Cue to post a whole bunch of recent and very faintly related articles from Spiegel Online...

Something about Rommel (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,484510,00.html) - everyone likes to talk about Rommel!

Something about a "German Pacifist Streak" (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,483952,00.html)

Something about the less pacifist Germans (http://http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,484286,00.html)
Watched it last night and also read the articles yesterday.

You might want to fix the last link, though - it was one "http://" too many in it. ;)

Economically they had a few good ideas, but let's face it; that's not worth cold-blooded murder.
Not really, they effectively used their police state to control their currency, crush trade unions, defraud workers and commit corporate fraud on a massive scale.

Yes they did.. but that was their Job -That is the Job of every Government- we elect Govs to put forward good economic policy.My mistake.. Wiki says the Germans performed the equivalent of an economics Miracle.. so they did more than "their job".

But still.

As founder of NSG's infamous BEEKERS ANTI NAZI BRIGADE dont even get me started on this subject...I am not going to get into a debate of this kind due to my integral knack of flying off the handle at the stupidity of both the thread title and its content...I am therefore refraining from comment due to the fact I dont want my DOS order to be reinstated

thank you for your time

As founder of NSG's infamous BEEKERS ANTI NAZI BRIGADE dont even get me started on this subject...I am not going to get into a debate of this kind due to my integral knack of flying off the handle at the stupidity of both the thread title and its content...I am therefore refraining from comment due to the fact I dont want my DOS order to be reinstated

thank you for your timeAre you the master of your domain? :D
I am the master of my keyboard too. ;)
Beeker, self control is your friend.

BTW, I loved the infamous Beekers AntiNAzi Brigade http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Not really, they effectively used their police state to control their currency, crush trade unions, defraud workers and commit corporate fraud on a massive scale.
State-level control of economy isn't fundamentally a bad thing. It becomes a bad thing when it is used to benefit some aspects of society at the expense of others, as the Nazis did RE social and ethnic supremecy; I'm not questioning that. But government intervention in economy and/or involvement in the provision of basic public services can be a very positive force, particularly where trade is itself stagnant (as the post depression period was) or where the market is itself being extortionate (my example, the present day drugs manufacturers) or abusive (example, many clothing manufacturers at the minute) with how they're producing and distributing vital resources.

I haven't read through the thread so this has probably been mentioned before. But even reading the first page ticked me off. So I'm not going into how I feel about nazism as such. I'll get headaches and it's bad for my heart.

But I'd like to say that whatever you believe, don't enforce it onto others. If you want to believe you can judge people by what's in their blood, then please, be my guest; dwell in your delusions. But don't enforce that thought onto others, let alone kill millions of people because of something you believe.

Yes they did.. but that was their Job -That is the Job of every Government- we elect Govs to put forward good economic policy.

In no way that is relevant with the subject of genocidal discrimination againt the Gypsies, Gays, Slaves, Semites, Roma, Polish and others. (If you notice I did not mention the Jews.. its because they have been mentioned alone for decades)
Well... it is relevant on some level. The more distasteful aspects of National Socialist economic policy involved the deprivation of even necessities (education, homes, food, tools etc.) from said marginalised groups, and it has been proposed (probably accurately) that a lot of the growth in overall economy was a result of the active negligence of their duties with respect to those they didn't like. This disgusting trait, however, does hide its other less ethically questionable policies that generally worked well, particularly with regards to the nationalisation of industry to drive down prices and the expansion of development to make the best use of Germany's broad workforce that provided a better quality of living to those of its citizens it did provide for.

State-level control of economy isn't fundamentally a bad thing. It becomes a bad thing when it is used to benefit some aspects of society at the expense of others, as the Nazis did RE social and ethnic supremecy; I'm not questioning that. But government intervention in economy and/or involvement in the provision of basic public services can be a very positive force, particularly where trade is itself stagnant (as the post depression period was) or where the market is itself being extortionate (my example, the present day drugs manufacturers) or abusive (example, many clothing manufacturers at the minute) with how they're producing and distributing vital resources.
Yes, the point I was making was that the way the Nazis involved themselves in the economy was in no way designed to benefit anybody but themselves, and their measures required a totalitarian state in order to function.

To begin with, the premises of Nazism are pretty poorly thought out and often self-refuting. They seem to misunderstand evolutionary biology, anthropology, and even basic logic to an absurd degree. About the only thing worthwhile about them is the Wagnerian opera. This is of course, simply talking about their beliefs and not even getting into the actions of historical Nazis.

I hate Nazism because of its genocidal anti-Semitism.

But the Palestinians and the Islamic-controlled Arab states in the Middle East are trying to accomplish the same thing.

Shhh. You're not supposed to diss Muslims on NS General.

Shhh. You're not supposed to diss Muslims on NS General.

I'd stuff cotton into my ears about crap like this, but that doesn't work on a message board. Should I just hold back my ire?

True Why would these people that do nothing to help the country have better living then the people that built up the country and that it is their land.

The jewish scientists that travelled to america pre-holocaust example[einstein] helped america further its economy and helped further technology eg nukes.
Also the British Empire let thousands of jews cross the channel to live in the UK and the same with the US and many other countries surrounding germany

Shhh. You're not supposed to post assertions that have been shown to be innacurate on NS General.
Fixed

For the record, getting rid of a country doesn't constitute genocide.

As for the actual thread, you can argue moral relativism and that nothing is 'bad', but in general I think Naziism is firstly wrong in its views of racial theory (kudos to whoever made the early post about melanin) and that social darwinism and a polycratic system is a chaotic, innefficient and generally problematic way to run a nation.

For the record, getting rid of a country doesn't constitute genocide.

As for the actual thread, you can argue moral relativism and that nothing is 'bad', but in general I think Naziism is firstly wrong in its views of racial theory (kudos to whoever made the early post about melanin) and that social darwinism and a polycratic system is a chaotic, innefficient and generally problematic way to run a nation.

Ah, so you're saying that Muslims don't hate the Jews? Don't want to eliminate Israel? Don't teach their small children to hate and want to kill Jews?

Think again.

Ah, so you're saying that Muslims don't hate the Jews? Don't want to eliminate Israel? Don't teach their small children to hate and want to kill Jews?

Think again.

You're making gross generalizations, to say the very least. Let's make it personal: I'm a Muslim. Do I want to kill Jews? Tell me, please.

The idea of Naziism in itself has some integral moral and plotical flaws but those do not make Nazis bad people (there are nazi political parties all over the world). Its the induviduals themselves that created the stigma on the Nazi beleif system and many of them don't do anything to rectify that image... in fact most of them do the opposite.

You're making gross generalizations, to say the very least. Let's make it personal: I'm a Muslim. Do I want to kill Jews? Tell me, please.

I bet the figure is close to 90%.

I bet the figure is close to 90%.

You bet. That's great. I could bet 90% of Americans want to kill all Muslims, but I'd be pulling that figure out of my ass. It would also mean I have a 90% chance of wanting to kill myself, incidentally. I guess my point is I don't think you really know all that much about Muslims or human nature in general.

You bet. That's great. I could bet 90% of Americans want to kill all Muslims, but I'd be pulling that figure out of my ass. It would also mean I have a 90% chance of wanting to kill myself, incidentally. I guess my point is I don't think you really know all that much about Muslims or human nature in general.

I have quite a bit of experience with Muslims across nearly every country in the Middle East and North Africa.

Every one I ever talked to related to me that Jews must be killed.

I have quite a bit of experience with Muslims across nearly every country in the Middle East and North Africa.

Every one I ever talked to related to me that Jews must be killed.

So what's the solution you propose to this, according to your experience? Just curious, you know.

So what's the solution you propose to this, according to your experience? Just curious, you know.

Did I say or imply there was a solution to this? Nope.

Just a condition that merits watching.

I have quite a bit of experience with Muslims across nearly every country in the Middle East and North Africa.

Every one I ever talked to related to me that Jews must be killed.

When you come back with a scientific study, documentation of interviews and quantified statistics it might be worth taking note. While you're just saying "I met some dudes..." then its not worth the paper it isn't written on.

When you come back with a scientific study, documentation of interviews and quantified statistics it might be worth taking note. While you're just saying "I met some dudes..." then its not worth the paper it isn't written on.

That's fine - you can go to the countries I went to, and ask people.

I've already talked to well over a thousand.

Why Do You Think Naziism Is Wrong Or Right? Post here and say your opinion about it and i will respond to what your point is.
You need this explaining to you? World war 2, 50 million people dead, the destruction of most of Europe, CONCENTRATION CAMPS. SEWING LITTLE GYPSEY TWINS TOGETHER FOR "MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS" The Faggot uniforms, They bombed our chip shop! What a fucking stupid thread!!!

Why Do You Think Naziism Is Wrong Or Right? Post here and say your opinion about it and i will respond to what your point is.
It's wrong, and your name, NPD Deutschland kind of shows that you're in favour of them.

Oh, incidently, your party is full of shit, and the rest of Germany apart from the retarded dirt-farmers of Mecklenburg-Vorpommeln hates you, and even in MB-VP, you only got 6% of the vote.

Oh, how you disappoint me.

That's fine - you can go to the countries I went to, and ask people.
Err the only person I've ever head with that opinion (and I've been around a fair bit) was a Scot, when he was very, very drunk.

All of the Muslims I know are alright people who aren't interested in anything other than getting on with their lives.
I've already talked to well over a thousand.
What, and EVERY... SINGLE... ONE of them said that they wanted to kill Jewish people, not that it was about dismantling Israel, but explicitly "kill all of the Jews"?

Yeah. Hmm... no.

hitler had jewish blood, hitler was impure
Is there actually even any proof of this?

It's wrong, and your name, NPD Deutschland kind of shows that you're in favour of them.

Oh, incidently, your party is full of shit, and the rest of Germany apart from the retarded dirt-farmers of Mecklenburg-Vorpommeln hates you, and even in MB-VP, you only got 6% of the vote.

Oh, how you disappoint me.
The geezer is polishing his Jackboots! Stupid twat thinks he's going to get the Panzer divisions together and head "Nach Ost!" Probobly Stands in front of a mirror in his Schutz Staffel uniform (designed by Hugo Boss!) Jerking himself thinking of the glory days! I Would remind him of the Paras who are gonna bayonet his arse!:D

To the tune of "Colonel Bogey" Hitler has only got one ball, Goering's tho are very small, Himmler has something similar, but Goebbels has no balls at all!:D:D:D

I Would remind him of the Paras who are gonna bayonet his arse!:D
It wouldn't be the Paras that'd stab him, it's most German citizens. The NPD is about as popular as Herpes, and yet is for some reason almost as prevalent.

Is there actually even any proof of this?
No, just speculation. The records office of the area Hitler was born in was bulldozed while the Nazis were in power as far as I remember, there's speculation as to him having personally ordered it and if so why, but no proof.


That's fine - you can go to the countries I went to, and ask people.

I've already talked to well over a thousand.
You've talked to over a thousand muslims, and they all said they wanted to kills Jews. Well, given it's apparently so easy, I'm sure someone's done a study on the attitudes of muslims towards Jews you could find; but like I said unless you've gone beyond "I wandered around and talked to some guys and I remember them saying..." don't try and push it as fact.

No, just speculation. The records office of the area Hitler was born in was bulldozed while the Nazis were in power as far as I remember, there's speculation as to him having personally ordered it and if so why, but no proof.
I remember covering the topic in my History class on Nazi Germany. Apparently it's all based on very flimsy conjecture.

I remember covering the topic in my History class on Nazi Germany. Apparently it's all based on very flimsy conjecture.
Aye, the 'evidence' that he had Jewish blood of any great size in him is weaker than the Zimbabwean economy.

It wouldn't be the Paras that'd stab him, it's most German citizens. The NPD is about as popular as Herpes, and yet is for some reason almost as prevalent.
I would hope so, considering that the Nazis got Germany blown to bits, devided for 45 years and vilified by most of the world! I work in the worlds best war museum with a very good Holocaust section and walking turds like the guy who posted this thread get my goat!:upyours: To the fucker!

Aye, the 'evidence' that he had Jewish blood of any great size in him is weaker than the Zimbabwean economy.
Hitler did like eating shit tho!!:D The " Dirty tricks" section of the special operations executive found out about his coprophillia but could not use it as propaganda because nobody would believe it back then!:D And every women he slept with commited suicide!!

Aye, the 'evidence' that he had Jewish blood of any great size in him is weaker than the Zimbabwean economy.

Indeed. I think it grew out of the irony of the physical appearance of the Nazi leadership, only Heydrich resembling the Nazi prototypical German which lead to theories about an inferiority complex of Hitler, and got exaggerated and applied to the idea of him being a Jew.

Hitler did like eating shit tho!! The " Dirty tricks" section of the special operations executive found out about his coprophillia but could not use it as propaganda because nobody would believe it back then! And every women he slept with commited suicide!!
Attempted suicide.

And the OSS report assertion was baseless and made up by the author. There are only rumours and assertions, no hard facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_sexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_sexuality)

No most of them were jewish. the people at that time knew they lived though it i asked my grandparents from both sides and they both said the jews put the rent high and it was so hard to live in a good place.

So at a guess they lived through Nazism? You do realise that there was so much propaganda that people probably believed everything the Nazis tell them. I would find some proper evidence to support your claim rather than Goebbels told your grandparents something and they believed it.

When deciding whether you think Nazism (also called National Socialism) is wrong, you have to identify your definition of it. If you think it's all about killing everyone who isn't white, then of course you will think it is bad, anyone decent would. However, that could not be farther from the truth. The core concepts of Nazism are:

1. Every race deserves a homeland where they can live unoppressed, this means separate countries for Whites, Blacks, Arabs, etc.
2. Whites deserve to be proud of their race and accomplishments just as much as blacks do
3. Tighter control should be exercised on immoral media; children should not be encouraged to view or listen to profane television or music
4. Race mixing should not be encouraged as it often leads to problems
5. Healthcare should be government controlled and free to all citizens
6. Most Nazis believe the Holocaust did not happen, there is evidence supporting this that should be reviewed before believing the Holocaust was real

As a National Socialist myself I don't demand everyone agree with me, I just want people to understand what National Socialism is before they oppose it.

I believe Algebra has its origins in India.
I'm pretty sure it was Iraq... a Persian guy named Muhammad bin Mūsā al-Khwārizmī... let's hear it for useless information!:p

I'm pretty sure it was Iraq... a Persian guy named Muhammad bin Mūsā al-Khwārizmī... let's hear it for useless information!:p
IIRC it began in India and travelled up to Mesopotamia and the Levant, before spreading to Africa.

Clever stuff.

ethnic nationalism (any nationalism) and totalitarianism are disgusting to me.

because it helps the stronger races in the future. because if you have the weaker races mixing with the stronger races then the stronger races get mixed and then Humans become weaker every generation. So if something bad happens more people will die.

...SO you think a limited gene pool makes you stronger? Science disagrees in the long term...and since you are speaking Long Term I would expect you to know better. You also dont talk much like a real National Socialist your words are cliches. Jew hating and what not. Any real Nazi Party memer would be disgusted by your clear lack of understanding the party.
I am not a supporter of Nationa Socialism by the way.



Remote observer
Being an associate of many Muslims I call you flatly a liar.
The average Muslim could give a damn about Jews. They are concerned with their family, and themselves...like most people.

The suggestion that all Muslims want to KILL jews is patently offensive.
You should be hanging out with this threads OP as you both appear to be bigots.

Err the only person I've ever head with that opinion (and I've been around a fair bit) was a Scot, when he was very, very drunk.

All of the Muslims I know are alright people who aren't interested in anything other than getting on with their lives.

What, and EVERY... SINGLE... ONE of them said that they wanted to kill Jewish people, not that it was about dismantling Israel, but explicitly "kill all of the Jews"?

Yeah. Hmm... no.I wouldn't pay attention to RemoteObserver.. or anyone claiming he traveled all over the Muslim world to ask 1000 Arabs the same questions.. and he got 1000 times the very same answers.

ZERO credibility.

NPD Deutschland has less than 13 hours to respond before I declare victory.

NPD Deutschland has less than 13 hours to respond before I declare victory.
Just you wait - shortly before the victory parade he'll be declaring to be able to achieve "final victory" with "wonder weapons"... :D

My post was not accepted. The mods are trying to censor any conflicting views that sound reasonable.

Is this a joke?

Admittedly, if one disregards the racism Nazism entailed, and the anti-intellectualism, and the utter folly of Operation Barbarossa, it does have a certain lustre as a means to protect one's national interests, but as little else.

Just you wait - shortly before the victory parade he'll be declaring to be able to achieve "final victory" with "wonder weapons"... :D

:D

Do I care about what Kyronea says?

...obviously not.

Look, the guy isn't going to return and keep posting, so I tried to end the thread last night via Lavos. Clearly some people aren't interested in a Lavosian ending.

Dammit, Dorstie - here I am, trying to figure out why quoting you and adding :D doesn't work.

:D

But you're absolutely right!

Nazism is wrong because it is inherently Chauvinist, elevating the wants of one segment of the population over the needs of others, amongst many other things.

Frankly, I'm appalled by this thread - and I'm still trying to work out why I'm bothering to respond at all.

Fucking Nazi scumbags.

1.) planned ecomony i dont recall that
2.) war-like they cost alot of lives on both sides we risked that and lost but we tried
3.) no one wanted the jews we tried to give them away but no one took them. What do we do then if we dont want them in our society because they do many things like they put the rent really high on the apartments so the real germans have a worse place to live , they also ruin the German blood line and many other reasons.

That's so appallingly nasty it's funny:D

Any bets on who this actually is?

This thread is on fricking crack.

This thread is on fricking crack.

And the rest of NSG isn't?

I would be more than happy to list the myriad reasons why Nazism is wrong, most of them should be self-evident.

If you think it's in any way 'right', just remember it was the ideology that lost WWII. (i.e. - the ideology of losers.)

I would be more than happy to list the myriad reasons why Nazism is wrong, most of them should be self-evident.

If you think it's in any way 'right', just remember it was the ideology that lost WWII. (i.e. - the ideology of losers.)

So, presumably, if it had won it'd be infinitely better?:confused:

So, presumably, if it had won it'd be infinitely better?:confused:

No. I'm calling supporters of Nazism losers.

So, presumably, if it had won it'd be infinitely better?:confused:

No, actually. That comment is just a way of pointing out how pathetic Naziism is to those who seem to think that xenophobia and racism are acceptable policies, that they are the superior culture, and so on and so forth.

No, actually. That comment is just a way of pointing out how pathetic Naziism is to those who seem to think that xenophobia and racism are acceptable policies, that they are the superior culture, and so on and so forth.

Still not seeing the point. It appears little more than a vindictive Parthian shot that is a little unbecoming, and also plays up to the rather key point og Nazism that might equals right.

And the rest of NSG isn't?

This is way worse.

Still not seeing the point. It appears little more than a vindictive Parthian shot that is a little unbecoming, and also plays up to the rather key point og Nazism that might equals right.

The fact that Nazism lost the battle of 'might makes right' kind of takes the air out of their ideological sails doesn't it?

And besides, I'm not going to shed any tears trying to comfort the feelings of those who support a xenophobic totalitarian nightmare like Nazism. They deserve any Parthian shot coming their way.

This is way worse.

In that case, I apologize for any contribution to crack-using I have made.

The fact that Nazism lost the battle of 'might makes right' kind of takes the air out of their ideological sails doesn't it?

And besides, I'm not going to shed any tears trying to comfort the feelings of those who support a xenophobic totalitarian nightmare like Nazism. They deserve any Parthian shot coming their way.

Can't help but feel that a gentleman shouldn't lower himself to the level of his enemy.

People dont kill people for no reason m8. If they are such good people why do they get killed everywhere they go? Because every where they go they try to change the culture and take the land from the orginal people.


like...oh....say....the nazis of WW2?

I don't think that's true. According to the latest research (John Cornwell's 'Hitler's Scientists') the Nazi nuclear weapons program never developed further than designing the casing for a weaon. They had very little material for such a weapon, few decent scientists and a lead scientist who (debatably) sabotaged the project itself.

Certainly I don't think the Nazis shipped an actual weapon to Japan. Some materials, perhaps, but nothing near an actual weapon.

I had read the opposite. That they shipped materials and plans to Japan (not a fully assembled weapon, no). The Japanese, in turn, intended to put a dirty bomb on a seaplane that would be carried by one of their weird carrier submarines to the west coast of the United States and from there would drop it on San Francisco.

Can't help but feel that a gentleman shouldn't lower himself to the level of his enemy.

Ah, you thought I was a gentleman! Confusion understood. :p


In all seriousness, I can respect someone trying to debate the merits of fascism - as bad as it is. Nazism is a whole extra layer of wrong, and I find people who support it are beyond reasoning their way out of it.

In that case, I apologize for any contribution to crack-using I have made.

The OP was pretty well responsible.

Ah, you thought I was a gentleman! Confusion understood. :p


In all seriousness, I can respect someone trying to debate the merits of fascism - as bad as it is. Nazism is a whole extra layer of wrong, and I find people who support it are beyond reasoning their way out of it.

I'm with you in regard to Nazism. Not fascism of course, but Nazism.

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"Nazis. I hate these guys."

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"Nazis. I hate these guys."

Sweet :cool:

I'm with you in regard to Nazism. Not fascism of course, but Nazism.

Hmmm. By that do you mean that you can't respect someone trying to debate the 'merits' of fascism, or that you are a proponent of fascism? (Just curious, I don't think we're in a lot of the same threads, and I couldn't be bothered to read all 24 or so pages to see your stance.)

When deciding whether you think Nazism (also called National Socialism) is wrong, you have to identify your definition of it. If you think it's all about killing everyone who isn't white, then of course you will think it is bad, anyone decent would. However, that could not be farther from the truth. The core concepts of Nazism are:

1. Every race deserves a homeland where they can live unoppressed, this means separate countries for Whites, Blacks, Arabs, etc.
2. Whites deserve to be proud of their race and accomplishments just as much as blacks do
3. Tighter control should be exercised on immoral media; children should not be encouraged to view or listen to profane television or music
4. Race mixing should not be encouraged as it often leads to problems
5. Healthcare should be government controlled and free to all citizens
6. Most Nazis believe the Holocaust did not happen, there is evidence supporting this that should be reviewed before believing the Holocaust was real

As a National Socialist myself I don't demand everyone agree with me, I just want people to understand what National Socialism is before they oppose it.

Reading some of the posts, I think that trying to explain Nazism here is like trying to explain homosexuality to rednecks in 1950's or abortion to religious fundies. Dont expect much intellectualism in this thread....

It seems to be more like that some people are "avenging" their own expriences, such as when they were bullied in highschool, by namecalling someone who is apparently in the minority here. The fact that some of them believes NPD Deutschland deserves this kinda treatment only strengthens their resolve...

Reading some of the posts, I think that trying to explain Nazism here is like trying to explain homosexuality to rednecks in 1950's or abortion to religious fundies. Dont expect much intellectualism in this thread....
Actually, most of the stuff he said has little to do with Nazism. Free healthcare? Where in Mein Kampf does it say "free healthcare"?

He's just building his own little mix and because he's uncomfortable around black people he calls it Nazism.

But nevermind that. Racists, racialists and otherwise challenged people need to feel the victims of unfair persecution because otherwise common sense and their conscience would keep pestering them. So it's "the left" (tm), "Political Correctness" and so on and so forth, always after them.

Poor Nazis! :(

Actually, most of the stuff he said has little to do with Nazism. Free healthcare? Where in Mein Kampf does it say "free healthcare"?

He's just building his own little mix and because he's uncomfortable around black people he calls it Nazism.

But nevermind that. Racists, racialists and otherwise challenged people need to feel the victims of unfair persecution because otherwise common sense and their conscience would keep pestering them. So it's "the left" (tm), "Political Correctness" and so on and so forth, always after them.

Poor Nazis! :(

Do you think racist and racialist people are challenged people?

Actually, most of the stuff he said has little to do with Nazism. Free healthcare? Where in Mein Kampf does it say "free healthcare"?
Wouldn't it be entailed in the idea of Volksgemeinschaft and racial unity?

Do you think racist and racialist people are challenged people?
Yes, actually.

I think that tolerance comes from the inside, from the ability to look at oneself and just see an individual free of all the social constructs people have built over the milennia, with a set of dreams and a will to achieve them.

If one can't discard those social constructs, I think it has to do with a lack of confidence in one's self. The person is probably scared of what he or she will find.

That's why these people hide behind big phenomena and try to give them human characteristics. Whether it's races, nations, cultures or classes, these are all just descriptions. But these challenged people try to give them things like interests, characters and sometimes even collective minds of some sort. Racists talk about their race and being proud of it because they don't think they can be proud of themselves. They haven't achieved very much and they don't think they will, so they try to project other people's achievements on them.

Personally I can't see how one can be happy by denying oneself, so I would call it challenged.

Wouldn't it be entailed in the idea of Volksgemeinschaft and racial unity?
Not necessarily. He's most likely talking about free healthcare because it's a topic in the US right now.

I found a few articles on healthcare in Nazi Germany.
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/329/7480/1424?etoc
http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=2108&print_view=true
http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/bulletin_of_the_history_of_medicine/v079/79.1kater.html
The picture that shines through is that health"care" in Nazi Germany was mainly an attempt to keep the race strong by keeping the insignificant specks that it was made up of healthy. I suppose you could call that "free healthcare" because strictly speaking, it probably was fairly close to free, but I don't think it's quite what the poster had in mind.

Yes, actually.

I think that tolerance comes from the inside, from the ability to look at oneself and just see an individual free of all the social constructs people have built over the milennia, with a set of dreams and a will to achieve them.

If one can't discard those social constructs, I think it has to do with a lack of confidence in one's self. The person is probably scared of what he or she will find.

That's why these people hide behind big phenomena and try to give them human characteristics. Whether it's races, nations, cultures or classes, these are all just descriptions. But these challenged people try to give them things like interests, characters and sometimes even collective minds of some sort. Racists talk about their race and being proud of it because they don't think they can be proud of themselves. They haven't achieved very much and they don't think they will, so they try to project other people's achievements on them.

Personally I can't see how one can be happy by denying oneself, so I would call it challenged.


Ok. I hope you werent expecting an answer to that.

I disagree with Nazism. I don't feel that the content of melanin in a person's skin measures their worth.

I hope you realize that the Nazis enlisted blacks, arabs, etc. as part of their military force.

personaly I think it should go with a new name.

personaly I think it should go with a new name.
The same ideals, yet a different name. It would be a corruption, and in the end be seen as no differently.

Ok. I hope you werent expecting an answer to that.
You asked, I answered. Is there more to come? :confused:

The fact that some of them believes NPD Deutschland deserves this kinda treatment only strengthens their resolve...

Of course he deserves that kind of treatment.

He's a fucking nazi.

Perhaps...because...you know...the mass killing of people is...wrong? :rolleyes:

Of course he deserves that kind of treatment.

He's a fucking nazi.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up for me.

But seriously...this reminds me of trying to argue with UN Abassadorship. This also reminds me why I left NS General.

National Socialism is not not about killing non-whites. National Socialism is not this misunderstood beast or whatever the Hell you people want to call it. If there ever was a non-racist part of NS, the ideology still sucks, because extreme statism sucks.

National Socialism was not hijacked by Hitler. National Socialism melded itself to Hitler. It's National Socialisms own damn fault. Nazism sucks.

they also ruin the German blood line

That's because Germans chose to breed with them, now isn't it?

because it helps the stronger races in the future. because if you have the weaker races mixing with the stronger races then the stronger races get mixed and then Humans become weaker every generation. So if something bad happens more people will die.

So basically, Nazis like to decide who other people can sleep with and marry.
If "the stronger races" are so strong, why do they need such careful protection?

No most of them were jewish. the people at that time knew they lived though it i asked my grandparents from both sides and they both said the jews put the rent high and it was so hard to live in a good place.

So Nazis also want to control what people do with the property they own.

True Why would these people that do nothing to help the country have better living then the people that built up the country and that it is their land.

Maybe because they earned it while the people who had nothing did not?
If they were so superior, why did they not have the money to buy the property the Jews did in the first place?

People dont kill people for no reason m8. If they are such good people why do they get killed everywhere they go? Because every where they go they try to change the culture and take the land from the orginal people.

Yes. Because we're all wearing yalmukes and wearing prayer shawls.
You're funny.

How would you know!? have you been there?! Nazis dont nessicarly go to hell most of them are Christians and devoted. My GrandFather on my Fathers side was SS and he was killing them yet he was a devoted Lutheran i highly doubt he would go to hell. That is just your opioin that nazis are evil people that go to hell. They were good to some people and bad to others it is all opion m8.


I believe Lutherans subscribe to the Ten Commandments, do they not?

You know, I think they bear repeating here.

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2143

I-You shall have no other gods.
II-You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
III-Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
IV-Honor your father and your mother.
V-You shall not murder. Oops, that's a big one, innit.
VI-You shall not commit adultery.
VII-You shall not steal. OOPS, another... I mean hey, taking away property they'd bought, not to mention stealing artwork, jewelry, even gold teetheven the gold teeth in their mouths, right?
VIII-You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.OOOPS, there's another one. Because most very religious Jews don't intermarry, do they, and yet you declare they are ruining the German bloodlines.
IX and X- You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighborOOOPS, because your own post talks about how they have no right to the property they bought because it doesn't belong to good Germans.

Sounds VERY DEVOUT to me.

Nazism is the path to save the white race

If that's an example of the white race's worth, the faster it dies out the better.

1.) if we were not stronger how were we able to get from a destroyed country to almost taking all of Europe ALONE!


That's hilarious. Who were Mussolini and Hirohito, again?

Here's the big problem with all of this crap. People try to say that Hitler wasn't a "real" Nazi, or that hitler took the nazi party too far. That the racist attitudes of hitler weren't an expression of "real" nazi party.

it's bullshit. The nazi ideology was fundamentally a creation of Hitler. He CREATED nazisim in its "current" form, or at very least, the nazi ideology attached itself to hitler so deeply that the two were inseperable. Hitler's ideology was nazi ideology, period.

What i find funny is how the nazis here try to defend their positions as both reasonable and not racist "see, we don't want to kill all the niggers. We just want the niggers to go live in their own ****** country, where they can be free to do all the ****** things they want".

What is missing from this is the next line "but of course if the ****** doesn't want to go to his ****** country, well we'll just have to make him. And if he resist...well, we'll just have to shoot a ******, won't we?"

Which is the fundamental problem with the "current" nazi ideology, they say that all they want is nice seperate homelands for everyone, but when they are asked exactly how they want to convince the blacks and jews and asians to get up from their homes and go the basic response is that they'll make it illegal to stay.

And of course all those who are now illegally there get rounded up and sent to prison. Nice little prisons for all those minorities. Then they have the nerve to say they're not like hitler.

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very simple really,it is wrong because it takes away individuality,and looks at all races,cultures as one entity,which of coarse is incorrect and is fundamentally flawed.
like a snowflake or fingerprint....we are all unique and the only version of us...as much as the socialist would like to think,or the nazis,or the bigots..we are all unique to ourselves.

That's hilarious. Who were Mussolini and Hirohito, again?

Hitler's bitch and Hitler's penpal.

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“Nazis. I hate these guys.”
Y’all heard the man.

End. Of. Thread.

True but he changed the jewish ways.

Matthew 5:17, 5:18 -- The Sermon on the Mount
5:17. Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

5:18. For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled.

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/mat005.htm

How about this will you accept the idear that Germany is for the German people and that all the jews and stuff can go to israel or W/e. I will not say that we are completly Superior but there are the extremist that go and do that. So what is wrong with what the NPD thinks. All we say (basiclly) is tht our country is for our people.

Wow. And to think I thought if you were born in Germany you were German.

True. But I dont believe he practiced the Jewish religion, I think he ate prk for example.

After he drove the demons that called themselves Legion into a herd of swine and drove them over a cliffside? Not likely.

:rolleyes:

Is there any way you can get more stereotypical than this OP? He's got it right down to the spelling mistakes and miserable English... I'm somehow suspecting a very skilled puppet master.

And I'm now seriously considering spending the 700 Euros to get Irish citizenship, if only to have one thing less in common with people like that. *hides in shame about her German passport*

Don't worry, we still love YOU, Cabra.

That's hilarious. Who were Mussolini and Hirohito, again?

Hirohito has an excuse. He was in the Pacific. Mussolini on the other hand....

I hope you realize that the Nazis enlisted blacks, arabs, etc. as part of their military force.That is in direct contradiction to everything I was taught about the Nazis.

I hope you realize that the Nazis enlisted blacks, arabs, etc. as part of their military force.

Do you have documents to back that up?

Do you have documents to back that up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni#Nazi_ties_and_activities_during_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Foreign_volunteer_units_of_the_Wehrmacht

Then there's the Handschar Division, which was made up of Muslims (though most were Bosnian, not Arabs). The Nazis did however send troops to help Arabs fight the British in Iraq (though not many).

Basically they would take anyone who would fight for them. But that doesn't mean they thought any more of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni#Nazi_ties_and_activities_during_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Foreign_volunteer_units_of_the_Wehrmacht
Interesting,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni#Nazi_ties_and_activities_during_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Foreign_volunteer_units_of_the_Wehrmacht

Then there's the Handschar Division, which was made up of Muslims (though most were Bosnian, not Arabs). The Nazis did however send troops to help Arabs fight the British in Iraq (though not many).

Basically they would take anyone who would fight for them. But that doesn't mean they thought any more of them.

Thanks. This gives me something to study!

Off Topic: Anyone notice that the 11:00 down time is gone?

Thanks. This gives me something to study!Yup, I need to study this Indian Liberation Army.

It might be worth noting that maybe 50,000 Indians chose to fight for the Axis, while 2.5 million (all volunteers) joined the British Indian Army.

2.5 million (all volunteers) all volunteers?
how would you know?
do you have some polling data?
in another words Welcome to NSG.. and heads up ;-)

all volunteers?
how would you know?
do you have some polling data?
I assume it would have worked much as it did in WWI, namely the British Army opening an office saying "we pay well" and poor people signing up by the bucket loads.

Enniv is right, of course. Far more Indians fought against the Axis than for it. But my point wasn't about Indians, it was about the Axis.

It might be worth noting that maybe 50,000 Indians chose to fight for the Axis, while 2.5 million (all volunteers) joined the British Indian Army.
Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Great Britan was occupying India at the time?

I assume it would have worked much as it did in WWI, namely the British Army opening an office saying "we pay well" and poor people signing up by the bucket loads.I think the US army pays better.. yet we cant get a decent Iraq security force up-and-running..

These guys (Brits) managed to convince a whopping 2.5 million Indians to fight/die for them?
Indians who were -in principle- supposed to resent the British.

Impressing to say the least.

Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Great Britan was occupying India at the time?

Considering most of those 50,000 was set up by the Japanese, who was at war with Britain and her colonies, the number was quite low if they truly wanted the British gone. If they did, then it stands to reason that a lot more than 50,000 would have fought against the Brits. Instead, opposition did not get going till after WWII.

I disagree with Nazism because I value my personal freedom. Regardless of everything that the Nazis did, I object to the idea that personal freedom should be restricted because a portion of a society finds a certain activity to be harmful or immoral.

That being said, I understand that lines do have to be drawn in order to keep a society in order. However, I do not believe that people should be kept out of a country or forced to relocate (which is a necessary part of NPD ideology, as I understand) against their will. I also do not think is right to control media in any way, or to control the economic and political behaviors of individuals within a society.

Rikkilandi, I appreciate that you are trying to debate this rationally and logically. I found some of your statements very thought provoking.


"Every race deserves a homeland where they can live unoppressed, this means separate countries for Whites, Blacks, Arabs, etc."


It is very true that when people of different races live in one area, conflict takes place. However, I don't think that people should be forced to avoid this conflict. On the contrary, I think it is important for societies to confront these racial issues because (a) racial issues already exist worldwide, and even countries separated by race would be forced to interact with each other for economic reasons at the very least and (b) people should have the right to work through these issues as individuals and as a society if they so choose.


"Tighter control should be exercised on immoral media; children should not be encouraged to view or listen to profane television or music"


I don't agree with this, because if "moral" and "profane" are defined by a government, the society does not have the ability to debate issues and define these ideas within its own culture. These concepts should hold meaning to everyone in a society, not just those in power.

I think the US army pays better.. yet we cant get a decent Iraq security force up-and-running..

These guys (Brits) managed to convince a whopping 2.5 million Indians to fight/die for them?
Indians who were -in principle- supposed to resent the British.

Impressing to say the least.

Either that or the Indians saw that the Japanese were worse than the Brits.

Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Great Britan was occupying India at the time?In that case.. (chances are) they were mostly rounded-up and sent to the front.

Either that or the Indians saw that the Japanese were worse than the Brits.

Or that it was just slightly less restrictive and barbaric than the slave armies of ancient times. Those poor guys didn't just volunteer for the sake of Queen and someone else's country, you know.

Or that it was just slightly less restrictive and barbaric than the slave armies of ancient times. Those poor guys didn't just volunteer for the sake of Queen and someone else's country, you know.

I agree with you.

Or that it was just slightly less restrictive and barbaric than the slave armies of ancient times. Those poor guys didn't just volunteer for the sake of Queen and someone else's country, you know.Thats the feeling I had.

I have no problem with the whole issue of 'let like live with like'...as long as all you nazi fuckers spouting it get the hell out of MY homeland in support of the idea.

Then we'll invite whomever we want to come live here...excluding your nazi asses, of course.

Nazism, not so good. But some of the views on having a Dictator is not all that bad. I mean, I would not want a soldier looking down my shoulder making sure I brush my teeth the right way, but also there are some good things.

Take Fidel Castro, Dictator, for example. If you were to go look at a chart of the illiteracy percentage of the world, the have 5% or less illiterate people within that country. Just because some man is power hungry, does not mean he does not care about his people. Just using that as an example, and is a fact since 2004 I believe.

But thinking of Adolf Hitler's rule, he was a not so good guy. He was discrimatory against certain races, which should not be a factor. He didn't believe everyone was equal. Everyone has the right to LIVE. But they do not have a complete choice on where to live.

The gays, Jews, gypsies, ect, were all unlucky. What happened should not have. Even though it is not a war I would personally take back. We would not be where we are today, with as much knowledge on dictatorship, and what they can really do if they get enough followers.

I really hope SOME of this made sense so you all. It's a bit difficult for me to get my point accrossed. But I know what I'm talking about. Haha

Dictatorship of Howitz
Holmen :sniper:

In that case.. (chances are) they were mostly rounded-up and sent to the front.
No, the Indian Army was actually an all-volunteer force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Army
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/24/a2075924.shtml

Considering most of those 50,000 was set up by the Japanese, who was at war with Britain and her colonies, the number was quite low if they truly wanted the British gone. If they did, then it stands to reason that a lot more than 50,000 would have fought against the Brits. Instead, opposition did not get going till after WWII.I am guessing most wanted to get rid of the British rulers.
but It did not mean they trusted the Axis.

of the few who would trust the axis.. a minimal % would have the means to join the Axis.. or even know how to.

No, the Indian Army was actually an all-volunteer force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Army
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/24/a2075924.shtml

hard to tell.
Both the Brits and the Indians would like to say they were all Volunteers.. For obvious reasons.

The British Gov do not want to be perceived as forcing some poor Indians to fight.. and today's Indians do not want to be perceived as supporting the evil Nazis.

hard to tell.
Both the Brits and the Indians would like to say they were all Volunteers.. For obvious reasons.

The British Gov do not want to be perceived as forcing some poor Indians to fight.. and today's Indians do not want to be perceived as supporting the evil Nazis.

Or in this case, Japanese.

hard to tell.
Both the Brits and the Indians would like to say they were all Volunteers.. For obvious reasons.
Well, we have no other sources, and since a google search didn't uncover even the slightest criticism of the idea that they were volunteers, I'm inclined to say they're probably right.

Whatever the case may be, there was no conscription program in India.

Or in this case, Japanese.you are right of course.

BTW.. from Neu-Leo WikiLink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army#The_rise_of_the_second_INA).. -about the Consequences of the I.N.A.Trials-.. It was a fascinating read.

It has been 24 hours since I laid down the gauntlet against NPD Deutschland. He has not responded.

Consequently, I declare VICTORY! Sieg HaKadosh Baruch Hu! Juden Uber Alles!

Hava, nagila hava, nagila hava, nagila v'nis'mecha...

*starts dancing the Horah. All in vicinity join in, since it is impossible to not dance if Hava Nagilah is playing*

I have no idea what Nazilism is, but I assume you mean what is wrong with being a Nazi.

It would be easier (although impossible) to list something that is good about being a Nazi.

The only good thing that I can come up with is that was one of my grandfathers met my grandmother after the war caused by the national socialist state (germany).

I hope you realize that the Nazis enlisted blacks, arabs, etc. as part of their military force.
Errr only when reserves of actual Germans were lower than life expectancy in Swaziland.

no offense, the question at hand is almost like asking if the IRA was wrong. Its all in the eyes of the beholder. And I'm not touching this anymore.

Errr only when reserves of actual Germans were lower than life expectancy in Swaziland.

You could still have other nationalities/ethnicities in the german army (when they were at war with russia for the most part); they were just considered lesser people (in the case of the eastern european people) and didn't deserve the best equipment or training.

Does anyone find it both odd and scary that Mussolini's granddaughter is a fascist as well?

You could still have other nationalities/ethnicities in the german army (when they were at war with russia for the most part); they were just considered lesser people (in the case of the eastern european people) and didn't deserve the best equipment or training.
They were barely in the German army. They were usually in their own national formations and used as cannon fodder by the Germans for being Untermenschen, and then as cannon fodder by the Soviets for allowing themselves to be used by the Nazis.

They were barely in the German army. They were usually in their own national formations and used as cannon fodder by the Germans for being Untermenschen, and then as cannon fodder by the Soviets for allowing themselves to be used by the Nazis.

Kinda like what the Brits used to do to the Irish... and no one complained abou it then. What a world we live in

Why Do You Think Naziism Is Wrong Or Right? Post here and say your opinion about it and i will respond to what your point is.

Nazis killed the Jews who are some of the best and smartest people on Earth. I mean if you are going to do the genocide thing why not focus on say the 1) People who have really bad breath and poor hygene, 2) drug addicts, 3) sexual perverts, 4) pro-lifer teenage moms on welfare, 5) feminist extremists, 6) people who think that global warming, pollution, extinction, and natural habitat loss are no big deals, 7) women that run around with a**hole guys while there are lonely nice guys out there, 8) child abusers, 9) perjurers, 10) annoying born again christians, 11) rapists, 12) rampant blasphemers, 13) welfare moms, 14) anybody on welfare for more than a year, 15) people who do not save for retirement event though they can afford to, 16) people who think there is anything special with being a virgin, 17) HIV-AIDS carriers so we can get rid of an awful disease, 18) pushy salesmen, 19) anybody who is cruel to animals, 20) people who do not want to go to war against evil dictators that get their torture on, 21) dictators who get their torture on, 22) people who think marijuana should be illegal, 23) zero tolerance folks 24) anti gun folks, 25) anti-euthanasians, 26) Folllowers of the Juche, 27) Nazis, 28) vegans, 29) quadrapalegics and others who should be put out of their misery (which is something nice that the Nazis did), 30) college kids that arent really into learning.

The nice things about Nazis include the following:
1) They actually fought the commie Soviets in a real war rather than that cold war business

2) They were fans of eugenics (although a bit too ardent of fans).

3) They understood the importance of highways.

4) They had pretty cool looking military uniforms.

5) They were not soft on the gays. If the Nazis had TV you would not have seen something like Will and Grace there. Although, I think one of the top Nazis was a gayboy.

Hmmm I think that is pretty much it.

They were barely in the German army. They were usually in their own national formations and used as cannon fodder by the Germans for being Untermenschen, and then as cannon fodder by the Soviets for allowing themselves to be used by the Nazis.

They were still part of it, like a french foreign legion only part of the military (though I'd agree they were just cannon fodder so its not as if they were valued members of anything).

5) They were not soft on the gays. If the Nazis had TV you would not have seen something like Will and Grace there. Although, I think one of the top Nazis was a gayboy.
Yes, how laudable of them. :rolleyes: They truly deserve our praise for this.

Oh, and more than just one of the top Nazis were gay.

Just move to Iran, Nazism is alive and well there.

It is more like revisionism to annoy/provoke the Israelis

It promotes genocide based on the most hugely flawed understanding of science and religion known to man.

Although without the nazis I would be dead.....

(an attempt to balance the argument, only thing I could possibly thing of).

Yup, wrong. And stupid besides. Everyone thinks they are best, and none of them realizes that there aint no difference between them, 'cept for how they look. The great irony is that they all use the same reasons. If you put an Iranian Nazi and a German Nazi behind a blind, and gave each the same translator, you couldn't tell the two apart.

Nations are an out of date concept. The concept of the racially whole nation is impossible in the modern world. To even suggest it is the height of stupidity. Borders are mere lines in the sand, and in this world of technology, a border is meaningless.

Human species ftw?

Lets all see if we can make a human socialist state shall we?
It would be nice...

Because if you don't preserve the white race, then....something....bad....happens....

I dunno. I think I'll just marry a Filipina. They are sexy ladies.

Marry an Indonesian.

No deal because as a USA Libertarian I believe that people have the right to determine where they live, and where they want to work, they shouldn't be separated into communities or countries just because you want to keep the blood line 'pure'. So you can take that deal and shove it.

Then after marring your Fillipina/Indonesian stop being a libertarian :p .

Sure they National Socialst in some fashion but they Muslim and hate christians etc. so they dont fit the whole branch of naziism.

Yes because hating those who are different to you clearly doesn't fit into Nazism...

Yup, I need to study this Indian Liberation Army.

From what I know (Most of which comes as an offshoot of studying the British Free Corp established by the SS in '45) the ILA was created by a small group of Japanese officers and Indian nationalists. I'm not sure it pulled in many Indians, and from what I've read, the units weren't up to much, especially after Japan began losing in the latter years of the war when the ILA suffered mass desertions.

I have no idea what Nazilism is, but I assume you mean what is wrong with being a Nazi.

It would be easier (although impossible) to list something that is good about being a Nazi.

what does that mean?

what does that mean?

Well, I could fill pages with a list of cons for being a Nazi.


Try and think of any significant Pros to being one...

I think a lot of scientists would have still fled regardless. The Nazis were not particularly supportive of scientific research in any form.

Weren't those called Jew physics and Jew maths?

Weren't those called Jew physics and Jew maths?

They were referred to as 'Semitic Sciences' and were seen as 'unnatural' as they didn't go along with the Nazi fascination with mysticism and natural science and all that tosh. I can't be more specific at the moment, as my reference book has wandered off.

They were referred to as 'Semitic Sciences' and were seen as 'unnatural' as they didn't go along with the Nazi fascination with mysticism and natural science and all that tosh. I can't be more specific at the moment, as my reference book has wandered off.

*Clicks fingers* Semitic sciences, thats it!

It is kind of funny that some nazi knock-offs are still around.

*disclaimer:Not a troll.Only comments on things that interests him.

The German Governments view of the NPD:The German federal intelligence agency Verfassungsschutz classifies it as a "threat to the constitutional order" because of its platform and philosophy.


Lastly I'll state this:

All of you seeking to get this bozo to see that Nazi thinking is bad are basically pissing up a rope.
Its clear from his(?) early posts that he is in effect one who has been brainwashed into thinking this way by ignorant disgruntled working class elderswho belong to a political party that has ZERO clout in Germany and NEVER EVER will.

I'm Italian. My ancestors did their part to stop Nazi Germany.

Actually, I believe they emmigrated a century before WW2, but let's not spill hairs.

Spill hairs?

Yeah, sure my part of my family history was to stop Nazi Germany.3/4 (1/2 actively) did. The other 1/4 kind of helped NG.

No, you fool! Lavos was the end of the thread! End of the thread! You are NOT pulling a Chrono Trigger on me!

I thought that you would talk about how you almost had lavos magus style :D .

Anti-Flag sing about how they don't like nazis and fascists alot, and Their System Does Not Work for You was pretty good, so I guess they must be right.

State-level control of economy isn't fundamentally a bad thing. It becomes a bad thing when it is used to benefit some aspects of society at the expense of others, as the Nazis did RE social and ethnic supremecy; I'm not questioning that. But government intervention in economy and/or involvement in the provision of basic public services can be a very positive force, particularly where trade is itself stagnant (as the post depression period was) or where the market is itself being extortionate (my example, the present day drugs manufacturers) or abusive (example, many clothing manufacturers at the minute) with how they're producing and distributing vital resources.

Shhhhhh, if you continue to say that I won't be able to say anything about heavy state intervention in the economy without being godwinned by this thread.

Aye, the 'evidence' that he had Jewish blood of any great size in him is weaker than the Zimbabwean economy.

That sounds like a racist!

How dare you try to say the country of the great Mugabe has an economy in the toilet!

Ah, so you're saying that Jews don't hate the Muslims? Don't want to eliminate Middle East muslim majority countries, African muslim majority countries, South East Asia muslim majority countries? Don't teach their small children to hate and want to kill Muslims?

Think again.

Fixed for having the same level of accuracy.

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FUCK. Not a damn thing in this thread coming from this guy is true! God dammit! Fucking trolls nowadays, don't even have the DECENCY to pretend like their side has an argument!


FUCK. ASS.

People jump all over "OMFG INDIANS THE NAZIS WEREN'T RACIST LOL THEY RECRUITED ARABS".

Arabs are only on one stupid pennisula. Iranians and Indians are not Arabs, tehy are considered Aryan.

Not going to touch this thread with a ten foot pole.

what about a fifteen foot poll?
It might be safer.

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FUCK. Not a damn thing in this thread coming from this guy is true! God dammit! Fucking trolls nowadays, don't even have the DECENCY to pretend like their side has an argument!


FUCK. ASS.


Makes you wonder why you bother coming here anymore don't it?

People jump all over "OMFG INDIANS THE NAZIS WEREN'T RACIST LOL THEY RECRUITED ARABS".

Arabs are only on one stupid pennisula. Iranians and Indians are not Arabs, tehy are considered Aryan.

OOOOOO NOOOOOOOO!!! the Aryan Race!!!!!!
lol:confused:

Take heart people...the junior storm front crowd always infects NSG around this time of year...and just as quickly, their pestilent presence is flushed like a burrito-turd down the forum toilet.

I'm vaguely disappointed that I didn't get here earlier.

It would have been interesting talking to a real-life Nazi... and making them question their own beliefs, of course.

Apparently I'm good at that sometimes.

It would have been interesting talking to a real-life Nazi... and making them question their own beliefs, of course.


It's not that great, in fact it's just a pain. Like talking to a brick wall.

It's not that great, in fact it's just a pain. Like talking to a brick wall.

No, it's more like talking to a steaming pile of shit. It's disgusting, the smell lingers, and you feel like vomiting after.

It's not that great, in fact it's just a pain. Like talking to a brick wall.

I'm used to such debates.
In particular when debating with climate change deniers. Many of them are quite unreasonable although, to be fair, so are a few proponents of the man-made climate change theory.

Whatever else you say, the swastika looks pretty fecking cool.

Shame about the whole mass-murder thing....

They were barely in the German army. They were usually in their own national formations and used as cannon fodder by the Germans for being Untermenschen, and then as cannon fodder by the Soviets for allowing themselves to be used by the Nazis.

Don't be daft. The German Armed Forces during WWII were full of foreigners - Danes, Belgians, French, Africans, at least one Korean, Swedes, Finns, Spaniards, Indians... Org. Todt or the RAD (I forget which) even used Communists* (Rote Spanien) to help construct the atlantic wall and provide drivers. Their combat record varied, but was mostly excellent - read up on the Wallonian Volunteers and the Blue Division, for example, or the Nordic volunteers**; or even the truly heroic efforts made by the Frenchmen in the Charlemagne Division.

Hundreds of thousands of Europeans and Slavs volunteered even before the Germans were so desperate that they 'naturalised' some 15,000 or more Jews and enlisted them into the Whermacht.

Racist policies and a tendancy to be hideously brutal in occupied zones were an own goal - hundreds of thousands more would've joined up, particularly in the East, to join the 'European Crusade Against Bolshevism'. As it was the Russian Liberation Army was made up from Russians - although its main combat acheivement was liberating Prague... from the Germans.

The simple fact is that National Socialism had sympathisers across the planet, and not just in the white races either. Furthermore, the OKW/OKH were not stupid enough to deny all of them the opportunity to die for the Fatherland.

In essence - were they not racist and quite so brutal, they'd probably have beaten the Soviets and perhaps won the war.

Thank god for their racist policies, then...! :D

* Apparently the hideous Dirlewanger Brigade - so brutal the SS had their CO shot for being brutal to the Poles! - also included commies, anarchists, and other 'politicals' as well as the usual fare of rapists, murderers, thieves and the like. Unsurprisingly most of the politicals deserted as early as they could.

** As many Danes as were in their pre-war armed forces joined the Waffen-SS.

Whatever else you say, the swastika looks pretty fecking cool.

Shame about the whole mass-murder thing....

I do not think that the swatika looks all that cool but I like the death's head and the double lighning bolts of the SS. As I said in my earlier post two or three pages ago, the Nazis had some pretty cool uniforms.

...the Nazis had some pretty cool uniforms.

The Fascists, and later the National Socialists, were the first major political movements to realise the effect of the spectacle.

This is in no small part a direct result of the early 20th Century artistic movements such as Futurism or the D'Annunzio-led pirate-state of Fiume. Gucci uniforms and mass rallies were an important propaganda tool, as well as emphasising the Fascist maxim of "All for the state, none against the state".

It's no surprise, then, that their uniforms are cool, and their architecture is superb.

Don't be daft. The German Armed Forces during WWII were full of foreigners - Danes, Belgians, French, Africans, at least one Korean, Swedes, Finns, Spaniards, Indians... Org. Todt or the RAD (I forget which) even used Communists* (Rote Spanien) to help construct the atlantic wall and provide drivers. Their combat record varied, but was mostly excellent - read up on the Wallonian Volunteers and the Blue Division, for example, or the Nordic volunteers**; or even the truly heroic efforts made by the Frenchmen in the Charlemagne Division.

Hundreds of thousands of Europeans and Slavs volunteered even before the Germans were so desperate that they 'naturalised' some 15,000 or more Jews and enlisted them into the Whermacht.

Racist policies and a tendancy to be hideously brutal in occupied zones were an own goal - hundreds of thousands more would've joined up, particularly in the East, to join the 'European Crusade Against Bolshevism'. As it was the Russian Liberation Army was made up from Russians - although its main combat acheivement was liberating Prague... from the Germans.

The simple fact is that National Socialism had sympathisers across the planet, and not just in the white races either. Furthermore, the OKW/OKH were not stupid enough to deny all of them the opportunity to die for the Fatherland.

In essence - were they not racist and quite so brutal, they'd probably have beaten the Soviets and perhaps won the war.

Thank god for their racist policies, then...! :D

* Apparently the hideous Dirlewanger Brigade - so brutal the SS had their CO shot for being brutal to the Poles! - also included commies, anarchists, and other 'politicals' as well as the usual fare of rapists, murderers, thieves and the like. Unsurprisingly most of the politicals deserted as early as they could.

** As many Danes as were in their pre-war armed forces joined the Waffen-SS.

I believe that only one group was not actively recruited from - Jews.

This reminds me of an interesting story from World War II. When Allied troops invaded Normandy, they discovered, among the German prisoners, four Koreans. Apparently, the Koreans had been drafted by the Japanese army, captured in border skirmishes with the Russians, drafted into the Red Army and sent to fight on the Eastern Front, captured by the Germans, drafted into the Wehrmacht, sent to fight on the Western Front, and finally got captured by the Allies.

Presumably, they made their way back to Korea via America, and probably fought in the Korean War.

How would you know!? have you been there?! Nazis dont nessicarly go to hell most of them are Christians and devoted. My GrandFather on my Fathers side was SS and he was killing them yet he was a devoted Lutheran i highly doubt he would go to hell. That is just your opioin that nazis are evil people that go to hell. They were good to some people and bad to others it is all opion m8.

Devoted Christian killing other Christians because they're Christian?

You're an idiot.

And I'm sure that if he was a devoted Christian the little commandment that says you shouldn't kill would kick in sometime before and after he killed someone.

I believe that only one group was not actively recruited from - Jews.

Indeed. And, as I said, towards the end of the war, in late 1944 I believe, the NSDAP authorised the naturalisation of several thousand German Jews, armed them, and sent them to war.

I'm not entirely sure how they got on, as to be honest, I can't imagine either they or the Wehrmacht really wanted to be there. That said, it's a better chance of survival than the alternative...

Basically, reality is a lot murkier and greyer than many like to admit. That's all I was really saying when Yootopia was arguing that the German armed forces treated their foreign troops as cannon fodder.

*cough USA libertarian* this is not the USA m8. So you bring your self down in your melting pot.

America > "Pure" Germany any day.

Considering your name (the NPD being pretty much a new Nazi party in Germany as far as I know), I'm going to guess you think it's right, but please correct me if I'm wrong about that. I think it's pretty obvious what's wrong with Nazism. Glaringly racist policies and rampant militarism are two big points.

The NPD is not another Nazi Party! I am tired of hearing people say that. Just because they don't want Turkey in the EU and want to restrict immigration does not even put them in the same league as the Nazi Party.

The NPD is not another Nazi Party! I am tired of hearing people say that. Just because they don't want Turkey in the EU and want to restrict immigration does not even put them in the same league as the Nazi Party.

That sounds more like CDU policy, more or less (not sure on the immigration, but I know Merkel doesn't want Turkish accession.) The NPD seems far beyond that.

That sounds more like CDU policy, more or less (not sure on the immigration, but I know Merkel doesn't want Turkish accession.) The NPD seems far beyond that.

Being far-right does not make them racist.

I think the 'Ultimate Solution' should be to nuke Germany to ruins...that way they can stop beating us at the bloody football :headbang:

Being far-right does not make them racist.

Then are they racist, or not? I'm not German; maybe some German NS'ers can talk about exactly what the NPD espouses.

Then are they racist, or not? I'm not German; maybe some German NS'ers can talk about exactly what the NPD espouses.

If the NDP is not racist then this NDP needs to rethink his positions.

First as to me being a Bulgarian(which fought for Germany in BOTH world wars) i do not think that I am worth less than a German, a human life is the same, skin, blood, or heritage should not really matter. The one thing that I will say to NPD is that when my grandmother's house was occupied by the Germans in WW2 they were respectful, helped clean, and kept the household orderly. When the Russians came all hell broke loose, they raped my Grandmother, messed up the house, and stole our family heirlooms.

Then are they racist, or not? I'm not German; maybe some German NS'ers can talk about exactly what the NPD espouses.
http://www.infratest-dimap.de/?id=229&aid=40
"Is the NPD a democratic party like those in parliament?" - 82% say "No"
"Does the NPD's success damage Germany's reputation abroad?" - 70% say "Yes"

http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/de/publikationen/verfassungsschutzbericht
Here you can get the annual report by Germany's domestic intelligence agency, which also keeps track of Neonazi and other anti-constitutional groups. It just so happens that he NPD is a regular feature. To quote a wiki translation:
"The party continues to pursue a "people's front" of the nationals [consisting of] the NPD, DVU and forces not attached to any party, which is supposed to develop into a base for an encompassing "German people's movement". The aggressive agitation of the NPD unabashedly aims towards the abolishment of the parliamentary democracy and the democratic constitutional state, although the use of violence is currently still officially rejected for tactical reasons. Statements of the NPD document an essential affinity with National Socialism; its agitation is racist, antisemitic, revisionist and intends to disparage the democratic and lawful order of the constitution."

And a bunch of Spiegel links:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,437593,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,339604,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,418579,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,449116,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,451838,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,409517,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,357628,00.html

Ands this little beauty comes from their website (http://npd.de/index.php?sek=0&pfad_id=3&seite_id=23&vid=754):
http://npd.de/medien/artikelimg/artikel7.jpg

http://www.infratest-dimap.de/?id=229&aid=40
"Is the NPD a democratic party like those in parliament?" - 82% say "No"
"Does the NPD's success damage Germany's reputation abroad?" - 70% say "Yes"


And yet, they're getting more influential, especially in the South, according to what I've heard. Sounds like the population finally catching up to WWII-levels is beginning to have an effect. Might be time for another cull? ;)

Only .7% of the population voted for the NPD (NEO-NAZI political party) in the most recent election!!!

Only .7% of the population voted for the NPD (NEO-NAZI political party) in the most recent election!!!

Ah, but is that an increase? I heard it was. Then again, there's a lot of alarmism out there.

And yet, they're getting more influential, especially in the South, according to what I've heard.
It's the east. The ex-GDR which joined the FRG when the Cold War ended...the reunification was botched economically and unemployment is still huge there. And since the perception is often that the politicians from the west don't care, and since democracy doesn't have as long a tradition there, the NPD does well, particularly in rural areas.

They managed to get in one or two state parliaments, but nothing more. In the last federal elections they thoroughly bombed, IIRC.

Sounds like the population finally catching up to WWII-levels is beginning to have an effect. Might be time for another cull? ;)
Huh?

While I'm not going to disagree with culling Bavarians on principle (;)), I think you've got your numbers wrong. I'm pretty sure that Germany's population is now larger than it has been at any point during history.

Whatever else you say, the swastika looks pretty fecking cool.

Shame about the whole mass-murder thing....

Well the swastika was taken from another group as agood luck symbol.

OOOOOO NOOOOOOOO!!! the Aryan Race!!!!!!
lol:confused:

Well it is more the people of the Aryan languages than an ethnicity in this case.

While I'm not going to disagree with culling Bavarians on principle (;)), I think you've got your numbers wrong. I'm pretty sure that Germany's population is now larger than it has been at any point during history.

Awww, my paternal grandfather was born and raised in Bavaria.

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Western_Bavaria\___ What would the world be
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Nazi / without uncyclopedia?