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http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/05/21/mermaid.statue.ap/index.html

Little Mermaid found wearing burqa

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) -- The Little Mermaid statue in Denmark's capital has been found draped in a Muslim dress and head scarf.

Police removed the clothing after a telephone caller reported it, spokesman Jorgen Thomsen said.

The statue sculpted in tribute to author Hans Christian Andersen draws about one million visitors a year and is targeted occasionally by vandals. On Tuesday, the statue's face, left arm and lap were found doused with red paint.

In 2004, someone put a burqa, the head-to-toe Islamic robe, on the statue, along with a sign questioning Turkey's bid to join the European Union.

The bronze statue by Edvard Eriksen has sat on a rock in Copenhagen harbor since 1913.

Some idiots vandalize a statue and it is an example of cultural imperialism? ok

Hehehe Jorgen...hehehe

It's no shock that a nude statue in public would anger a muslim, but wasn't the burka put there as some kind of anti-muslim statement?

I heard about it yesterday, but it was reported to be unrelated to muslims.

Some idiots vandalize a statue and it is an example of cultural imperialism? ok

Did you even READ it?

If I went and draped some muslim iconic thing in the Stars and Stripes, you'd be calling for my execution.

Quite an amusing prank.

But what is the OP saying here? Who’s the ‘they’ pushing culture in everybody’s faces?

It's no shock that a nude statue in public would anger a muslim

The operative words are "fuck them".

Quite an amusing prank.

But what is the OP saying here? Who’s the ‘they’ pushing culture in everybody’s faces?

The muslims. If they want us to cover our Western cultural heritage, they can fuck off back to wherever they're from and do what they want over there.

Did you even READ it?

If I went and draped some muslim iconic thing in the Stars and Stripes, you'd be calling for my execution.

No be calling you an idiot vandal as well

The muslims. If they want us to cover our Western cultural heritage, they can fuck off back to wherever they're from and do what they want over there.

Ahhh zie muslem conspirisy ... I see

The muslims. If they want us to cover our Western cultural heritage, they can fuck off back to wherever they're from and do what they want over there.

Are you European? Because that's not really our problem over here. I mean, we also have to deal with Arab extremists, but not as a cultural force. There just aren't very many of them - not enough to alter the general culture.

The muslims. If they want us to cover our Western cultural heritage, they can fuck off back to wherever they’re from and do what they want over there.
Ohh.

That ‘them’.

Calm down dear. It’s only an amusing if unsubtle political statement.

Ohh.

That ‘them’.

Calm down dear. It’s only an amusing if unsubtle political statement.

What statement is that? "We're here to destroy your values and way of life"?

The muslims. If they want us to cover our Western cultural heritage, they can fuck off back to wherever they're from and do what they want over there.

I agree; if they want to live that way, that's their business, but they have no right to force their religion and culture on us if we want no part of it.
Did you even READ it?

If I went and draped some muslim iconic thing in the Stars and Stripes, you'd be calling for my execution.

Exactly; many muslims (not all, but nevertheless too many) are so "sensitive" that if you do so little as speak favorably of other religions in comparison with Islam (see paragraph below for an example), they are "offended" and "persecuted" and feel compelled to wage a "holy war" against the "infidels" (i.e., non-muslims, especially Jews and Christians, referred to in the Koran as "People of the Book", meaning the Bible).

The Muslims need to learn to take a joke and not get so d$%&@#! offended so easily. Christians take jokes and religious persecution all the time without reacting by trying to kill the people telling the jokes or doing the persecuting. Even Jesus, when He was on the cross, prayed "FATHER, FORGIVE THEM" - a vast difference from "Death to the infidels!"

What statement is that? "We're here to destroy your values and way of life"?

Or we exist ... or hell it was some idiot trying to get a rise out of people like you

I agree; if they want to live that way, that's their business, but they have no right to force their religion and culture on us if we want no part of it.


Exactly; many muslims (not all, but nevertheless too many) are so "sensitive" that if you do so little as speak favorably of other religions in comparison with Islam, they are "offended" and "persecuted" and feel compelled to wage a "holy war" against the "infidels" (i.e., non-muslims).

Good idea respond to there precived "sensitivity" in kind ... way to be a better person

If a Muslim did do this, you should smile that he has a sense of humor.

The zealot Muslims were be more prone to vandalizing the statue, etc.

I found it amusing and the fact they didn't damage the statue suggests it was a prank.

What statement is that? "We're here to destroy your values and way of life"?

I love how you take one example of one or two people finding a nude statue offensive and covering it with a symbol of their culture to be some message about destroying people's lives. I daresay you are not only overreacting, but showing plenty of bigotry. Grow up, Potato.

how exactly does that constitute cultural imperialism?

If a Muslim did do this, you should smile that he has a sense of humor.

The zealot Muslims were be more prone to vandalizing the statue, etc.

I found it amusing and the fact they didn't damage the statue suggests it was a prank.

Agreed someone did a fairly good job without physical damage... there are a lot worse vandals out there

What statement is that? “We’re here to destroy your values and way of life”?
Firstly, how do you even know it was a practising Muslim, let alone an Islamic fundamentalist, who clothed the Little Mermaid in a burqa? Could quite easily have been a non-Muslim political activist, a bored student, a prankster or an artist.

Secondly, how the hell does the on-time clothing of an iron statue signal the blood lust of an evil force of islamo-fascist-fundie-nutty-loops descending on ‘Western Culture’ (whatever that is...), hell bent on utterly destroying it?

Exactly; many muslims (not all, but nevertheless too many) are so “sensitive” that if you do so little as speak favorably of other religions in comparison with Islam, they are “offended” and “persecuted” and feel compelled to wage a “holy war” against the “infidels”.
Some days, I can’t get to the end of my road without being involved in a couple of holy wars and a beheading or three.

how exactly does that constitute cultural imperialism?

No clue

Though with the effect this is having on potato I am ready to applaud them, lol way to get the biggots all stirred up :)

Mr. Armstrong would be proud!
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I haven't done that in a while, but this thread deserves it.

Mr. Armstrong would be proud!
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I haven't done that in a while, but this thread deserves it.

God I remember that toy lol

Or we exist ...

Yeah, I don't think that's the message they were conveying.

I found it amusing and the fact they didn't damage the statue suggests it was a prank.

And if they catch the prankster, he can join his mates in Somalia.

Oh, there's a surprise. TPF takes a minor thing and blows it up to yet another enthralling THE MUSLIMS ARE COMING TO KILL US ALL bigoted rant.
Naziboy needs a new habit.

how exactly does that constitute cultural imperialism?

How is it any different from when US troops flew their flag over an Iraqi city after a victory?

The muslims. If they want us to cover our Western cultural heritage, they can fuck off back to wherever they're from and do what they want over there.

how is it your cultural heritage? your australian.

Somalia.
Everyone’s favourite new fnord.

How is it any different from when US troops flew their flag over an Iraqi city after a victory?

Oh jebus! that is classic! i don't think i could have asked for a better response. hahahahahaha....


maybe because the Americans launched a ful scale invasion before they did that.

I love you take one example of one or two people finding a nude statue offensive and covering it with a symbol of their culture to be some message about destroying people's lives.

Our values and our culture are MORE important than our lives.

how is it your cultural heritage? your australian.

The West is a larger linked school of cultural thought, born in Greece.

Our values and our culture are MORE important than our lives.
And ‘our’ values, ‘our’ culture..... that would be...... what, exactly?

Oh jebus! that is classic! i don't think i could have asked for a better response. hahahahahaha....


maybe because the Americans launched a ful scale invasion before they did that.

So?

Our values and our culture are MORE important than our lives.

I'm sorry, what's your culture? A culture of xenophobia and bigotry? A culture where anything that is even remotely different must be destroyed out of fear it will destroy yours?

I'm sorry, but that's not my culture. My culture accepts their way of life as just as valid as mine. I would object to them attempting to change my way of life to fit theirs, but I do not see that here. I see one or two people becoming offended by a statue and changing its appearance. It is a small, simple matter involving these people themselves and does not indicate some larger trend.

And ‘our’ values, ‘our’ culture..... that would be...... what, exactly?

Freedom, justice, EQUALITY (the operative one here).

Freedom, justice, EQUALITY (the operative one here).

Hmmmf. Wonders about what is "really" going on in Jordan and Dubei.......

So?

so... you don't see the qualitative difference between a military invasion of an entire country coupled with a forced change in government style and passive migration of individuals and families into random neighbourhoods over a significant period of time? seriously?

Freedom, justice, EQUALITY (the operative one here).
Ohh, freedom! And justice.

And equality.

Of course.

Care to highlight anything more than abstract notions that 99.9% of the human population would subscribe to?

The West is a larger linked school of cultural thought, born in Greece.

lol

And if they catch the prankster, he can join his mates in Somalia.

Who says he is from there?

I'm sorry, what's your culture? A culture of xenophobia and bigotry? A culture where anything that is even remotely different must be destroyed out of fear it will destroy yours?

When did I say anything about destroyed? Just don't touch our cultural symbols. We haven't put Coca-Cola advertisements on their mosques.

Wait, I'm gonna note that down, might do that.

I'm sorry, but that's not my culture. My culture accepts their way of life as just as valid as mine. I would object to them attempting to change my way of life to fit theirs, but I do not see that here. I see one or two people becoming offended by a statue and changing its appearance. It is a small, simple matter involving these people themselves and does not indicate some larger trend.

That statue standing there, naked, is a symbol of the freedom that our ancestors fought for, and pretending that covering it up in no big deal is an insult to their sacrifices.

So?

You are honestly the dumbest person in the world if you cannot tell the difference between these two things.

One involves a single person.
One involves entire governments, militaries and nations.

One involves a minor crime.
One involves a war.

One is a symbol of armed conquest.
One is a symbol of a minor crime.

One is something to get angry about if you care about human lives.
One is something to get angry about if you're a bigoted, dickless nazi.

Who says he is from there?

Oh, he's probably not. But he can go there.

How is it any different from when US troops flew their flag over an Iraqi city after a victory?

How is it the same?

Oh, he's probably not. But he can go there.

why?

why?

Well, he seems to like the lifestyle.

Well, he seems to like the lifestyle.

By pulling a prank, how does that show that he likes the lifestyle?

Oh, he’s probably not. But he can go there.

Well, he seems to like the lifestyle.
So you are in favour of immigration, after all? :p

So you are in favour of immigration, after all? :p

LOL :) nice

By pulling a prank, how does that show that he likes the lifestyle?

If he wanted to pull a prank, he could have covered it in silly string. This was a statement. This is no different from a German immigrant spray painting a swastika on the side of the Statue of Liberty in 1934.

If I went and draped some muslim iconic thing in the Stars and Stripes, you'd be calling for my execution.

Funny how the article makes no mention of how westerners have twice hacked the head off their own statue and once severed one of its armed. So what were they at war with - the same western values you assume the kids with the burkha were?

So you are in favour of immigration, after all? :p

I prefer to call it "forced resettlement".

Funny how the article makes no mention of how westerners have twice hacked the head off their own statue and once severed one of its armed. So what were they at war with - the same western values you assume the kids with the burkha were?

Those weren't statements. That was kids being retarded. They should be throw in jail. But I assume they weren't saying anything.

This is no different from a German immigrant spray painting a swastika on the side of the Statue of Liberty in 1934.

What exactly do you think the Little Mermaid symbolises that you place it on the same plane as the Statue of Liberty? It's just a character from a fairytale, dude, not a political allegory.

I prefer to call it "forced resettlement".

Ha ha, that's funny. I prefer to call you "shit for brains." What do you think of that, nazi boy?

If he wanted to pull a prank, he could have covered it in silly string. This was a statement. This is no different from a German immigrant spray painting a swastika on the side of the Statue of Liberty in 1934.

Possibly ... maybe the prankster was someone with a viewpoint like you trying to start exactly the sort of reaction you are having to this against Muslims

if so he was apparently pretty effective

What exactly do you think the Little Mermaid symbolises that you place it on the same plane as the Statue of Liberty? It's just a character from a fairytale, dude, not a political allegory.

Fine. How about Mount Rushmore?

Those weren't statements. That was kids being retarded.

And you know this how?

When did I say anything about destroyed? Just don't touch our cultural symbols. We haven't put Coca-Cola advertisements on their mosques.

Wait, I'm gonna note that down, might do that.
Well, you're talking about defending your culture, and usually defense results in the destruction of the force being defended against. Since you obviously see the minor event involving the statue as a major attack, you'll see the Coca-Cola advertisements as a similiarly major strike.

I fail to see how a company is part of our culture, however.



That statue standing there, naked, is a symbol of the freedom that our ancestors fought for, and pretending that covering it up in no big deal is an insult to their sacrifices.
...

What? It's a fucking statue based on a book! All it represents is what it depicts: a naked mermaid.

Oh, wait, I'm guessing it's the nudity you refer to? Well, sadly, that's been present in art for millennia across the world, not just in our own modern world.

Furthermore, you're acting as if this minor incident--which I would call no more devestating and "insulting" than mere graffiti--is something huge and major. I again point out this was most likely the act of one or two people, not an entire group.

You, sir, are making yourself look like a bigoted fool. You hate Muslims and anything that does not correspond to your culture, as you indicate with this overblown response to a simple act, which I would call nothing more than an act of protest, something we should allow, not scorn.

Those weren't statements. That was kids being retarded. They should be throw in jail. But I assume they weren't saying anything.

And this cant be kids being in stupid? you make rather large unfounded assumptions

Ha ha, that's funny. I prefer to call you "shit for brains." What do you think of that, nazi boy?

I think you don't know how to debate.

I prefer to call it “forced resettlement”.
I prefer not to go near any immigration policy with quote marks around it.

Keeps us all away from the ovens.

If he wanted to pull a prank, he could have covered it in silly string. This was a statement. This is no different from a German immigrant spray painting a swastika on the side of the Statue of Liberty in 1934.

wait, hang on, i like this. lets see if they compare:

statue of liberty = symbol of freedom and the opportunities of the new world for immigrants.

little mermaid = statue of a character from a story.

swastika = symbol of hate.

headscarf = item of clothing.


nice comparison there.

I think you don't know how to debate.

Eh this trash is not worthy of a real debate

Did you even bother reading the part where the last time this happened it was due to someone protesting the inclusion of Turkey into the EU? I have a feeling that this is more of the same, but you didn't want to note that part.

That statue standing there, naked, is a symbol of the freedom that our ancestors fought for, and pretending that covering it up in no big deal is an insult to their sacrifices.
Give me a break, it's a statue of the fricken Little Mermaid! There's no such meaning there!

Fine. How about Mount Rushmore?

What about Mount Rushmore?

Give me a break, it’s a statue of the fricken Little Mermaid! There’s no such meaning there!
“It’s always betta, where it is wetta, under da sea!”

There’s a message there alright!

“It’s always betta, where it is wetta, under da sea!”

There’s a message there alright!
*Slaps you around with the the damn flounder*
:p

What about Mount Rushmore?

Fuck Mount Rushmore.



It can go die.


Well...it could...if it was alive...

“It’s always betta, where it is wetta, under da sea!”

There’s a message there alright!

It's a message that Jamaican crabs are always a lot more fun than any other crabs.

Did you even bother reading the part where the last time this happened it was due to someone protesting the inclusion of Turkey into the EU? I have a feeling that this is more of the same, but you didn't want to note that part.
Oh really? Well, that about settles the argument, then. He's completely lost it.

*Slaps you around with the the damn flounder*
*falls in canal, in a Michael Palin stylee*

It's a message that Jamaican crabs are always a lot more fun than any other crabs.
That, and seashells are surprising substitutes for trainer bras.

wait, hang on, i like this. lets see if they compare:

statue of liberty = symbol of freedom and the opportunities of the new world for immigrants.

little mermaid = statue of a character from a story.

swastica = a symbol of luck, but is the Nazi flag if tilted slightly

Burqa = headscarf worn by Muslim women to show modesty


nice comparison there.

Fixed your definitions to make them clearer. For some reason you were very clear on the first one, but then very vague on the last two.

That, and seashells are surprising substitutes for trainer bras.

True. Of course, the statue in question is probably based on the original novel and not the Disney version, but that's beside the point.

True. Of course, the statue in question is probably based on the original novel and not the Disney version, but that’s beside the point.
And here’s me thinking all the songs were Hans Christian Anderson originals...

And here’s me thinking all the songs were Hans Christian Anderson originals...

They were. The original novel was quite different, as far as I know. I've never read it.

They were. The original novel was quite different, as far as I know. I’ve never read it.
I was talking in a spurious manner; spouting wild innuendos.

I was talking in a spurious manner; spouting wild innuendos.

In other words you're covering your ass because you made a mistake. :D

In other words you’re covering your ass because you made a mistake. :D
No, I genuinely was talking nonsense; I do know the difference between a twentieth century American cartoon, and a nineteenth century Danish novel! ;)

No, I genuinely was talking nonsense; I do know the difference between a twentieth century American cartoon, and a nineteenth century Danish novel! ;)

At the risk of being pointlessly pedantic, but this repetition is irritating me:

Short story. Not a novel.

No, I genuinely was talking nonsense; I do know the difference between a twentieth century American cartoon, and a nineteenth century Danish novel! ;)

Of course you do, my Scottish acquaintance.

BWO: Ah. I stand corrected.

...

Well actually I'm sitting here, but same difference.

Short story. Not a novel.
Will ‘novella’ do?

One is something to get angry about if you care about human lives.

I haven't given a fuck about humans lives for a while now. Humans are fucking idiots. The more who die, the better. Pity evolution hasn't weeded us out already.

The operative words are "fuck them".

Yes, very "Cronulla" of you.

Didn't Ashcroft in the US order two statues covered as he objected to them being topless?

Yes, very "Cronulla" of you.

Didn't Ashcroft in the US order two statues covered as he objected to them being topless?

And Ashcroft is an idiot.

Lol, I want someone to plant the black, red, green and white on the white house lawn and see what happens.

Lol, I want someone to plant the black, red, green and white on the white house lawn and see what happens.

Nothing. It'll be praised as free speech. Duh.

Nothing. It'll be praised as free speech. Duh.

You want a wager?

And Ashcroft is an idiot.

Indeed, and the guy who put the Burqa on the little mermaid was having a laugh.

You want a wager?

Sure.

Sure.

Well it was figurative, I don't live in the US.

Well it was figurative, I don't live in the US.

Humans are too stupid to care. I'd be surprised if the French cared when the Nazis marched through the Arc de Triomphe.

Potato Factory, stop being an idiot.

The person who covered the statue, according to your own damn article, did so IN PROTEST of TURKEY joining the EU. So, unless you're for Turkey joining the EU, why exactly are you complaining about their statement?

Potato Factory, stop being an idiot.

The person who covered the statue, according to your own damn article, did so IN PROTEST of TURKEY joining the EU. So, unless you're for Turkey joining the EU, why exactly are you complaining about their statement?

That was THREE YEARS AGO. This is a different covering.

And ‘our’ values, ‘our’ culture..... that would be...... what, exactly?
Anti-Muslim according to the world of potato heads?

Humans are too stupid to care. I'd be surprised if the French cared when the Nazis marched through the Arc de Triomphe.

Allow me to point out that while generally sympathetic to the plight of the teenaged and angst ridden, that doesnt mean that most want to read your blather. I suggest going out. A lot.

The muslims. If they want us to cover our Western cultural heritage, they can fuck off back to wherever they're from and do what they want over there.

Um, perhaps. But I'll lay you eight-to-five it was just a prank.

Allow me to point out that while generally sympathetic to the plight of the teenaged and angst ridden, that doesnt mean that most want to read your blather. I suggest going out. A lot.

What angst? I'm stating the truth. I'm entirely serious. Humans are idiots.

Potato, do you practise being divisive?

Potato, do you practise being divisive?

Do I what what in the what now?

I don't know if anyone's figured this out yet, I haven't read the whole thread, but the vandals are obviously non-muslims.

Y'see, the sign set up next to the statue questioning the Turkish bid to join the EU gives it away. The vandal/s draped the statue in a burkha as a warning of "what was to come" of Turkey joined the EU. Y'see it seems that whenever there's a new EU member state, there's an influx of immigrants from said nation to the other member states.

Y'see, these guys are non-muslim, anti-muslim (probably neo-nazi's) and are insinuating that muslims will destroy our culture by islamisizing it. Which is, to put it plainly, stupid.

Sorry if there's another post or string of posts like this, I just read the first page, and shocked by the number of folk who seemed to think this was perpetrated by muslim's.

I don't know if anyone's figured this out yet, I haven't read the whole thread, but the vandals are obviously non-muslims.

Y'see, the sign set up next to the statue questioning the Turkish bid to join the EU gives it away. The vandal/s draped the statue in a burkha as a warning of "what was to come" of Turkey joined the EU. Y'see it seems that whenever there's a new EU member state, there's an influx of immigrants from said nation to the other member states.

Y'see, these guys are non-muslim, anti-muslim (probably neo-nazi's) and are insinuating that muslims will destroy our culture by islamisizing it. Which is, to put it plainly, stupid.

Sorry if there's another post or string of posts like this, I just read the first page, and shocked by the number of folk who seemed to think this was perpetrated by muslim's.

*bashed head against desk*

OK. That happened THREE YEARS AGO. IN 2004. This time, they just put a tent on it. NO NOTE.

OMG IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD! who gives a rat's ass? and if they put a burqa on one statue for every million of them we have wearing western clothing, I'd call that more than fair. here's hoping you wake up to a call to prayer every morning some day soon :rolleyes:

and that was my 666th post. do you need any more proof this is a satanic a-rab conspiracy? obviously nuking mecca is the only solution.

*bashed head against desk*

OK. That happened THREE YEARS AGO. IN 2004. This time, they just put a tent on it. NO NOTE.

They're getting lazy?

*bashed head against desk*

OK. That happened THREE YEARS AGO. IN 2004. This time, they just put a tent on it. NO NOTE.
So the last time it happened non-Muslims were making a political statement. Now you have no evidence to decide either way. Clearly, the only logical reason must be evil Islamic imperialism, not like the same as last time. :rolleyes:

They're getting lazy?

yeah, obviously if somebody wanted to get people to talk about why turkey shouldn't join the EU (never mind the fact turkey is no more extremist or theocratic than Italy) all they had to do was remind people of the protest 3 years ago.

here's hoping you wake up to a call to prayer every morning some day soon :rolleyes:

I doubt it. The last mosque they tried to build got shut down during building 'cause of our threats. Then it turned out to be a Maco church, so we let them continue.

What angst?

Yours. You reek of it. Go out and indulge in some activity. I suggest those involving the other sex.

Yours. You reek of it. Go out and indulge in some activity. I suggest those involving the other sex.

I ain't got no angst. I just don't like people.

I doubt it. The last mosque they tried to build got shut down during building 'cause of our threats.

that's absolutely disgusting.

So the last time it happened non-Muslims were making a political statement. Now you have no evidence to decide either way. Clearly, the only logical reason must be evil Islamic imperialism, not like the same as last time. :rolleyes:
Well of course! Perish the thought somebody might wait and see, as opposed to jumping to conclusions!
I doubt it. The last mosque they tried to build got shut down during building 'cause of our threats. Then it turned out to be a Maco church, so we let them continue.

I'd just like to quote this, in case anyone missed it.

doze moslems stealin our jobz!

I'd just like to quote this, in case anyone missed it.

Go nuts. When you try to build a church with minarets and domes near a Catholic school attended by large numbers of Croats, you're asking for it.

Go nuts. When you try to build a church with minarets and domes near a Catholic school attended by large numbers of Croats, you're asking for it.

Well, your post implies that it was a Maco church all along, just that you thought it was a mosque.
EDIT: Whoever the Maco's are?

Go nuts. When you try to build a church with minarets and domes near a Catholic school attended by large numbers of Croats, you're asking for it.
C... c... Catholic school students? Teenage Catholic students? :eek:

*trembles in fear*

Well, your post implies that it was a Maco church all along, just that you thought it was a mosque.

It was. But it LOOKED like a mosque. Which meant war. Shouldn't built minarets and domes, should they?

It was. But it LOOKED like a mosque. Which meant war. Shouldn't built minarets and domes, should they?

Sweet zombie jesus...

C... c... Catholic school students? Teenage Catholic students? :eek:

*trembles in fear*

Catholic in name only. All the Asians are Buddhist. Lots of Protestants. I'm technically not Roman Catholic myself.

When you try to build a church...you're asking for it.

by "Maco" you mean Macedonian? I love that you threatened Orthodox Christians, who have been getting screwed over by Muslims for centuries, because you're too idiotic to tell the difference...not that having a mosque nearby wouldn't be a wonderful thing. in my experience Muslims are a hell of a lot more likely to be decent people than christians are. (and I work for one so I've met quite a few)

by "Maco" you mean Macedonian? I love that you threatened orthodox christians, who have been getting screwed over by muslims for centuries, because you're too idiotic to tell the difference...not that having a mosque nearby wouldn't be a wonderful thing. in my experience muslims are a hell of a lot more likely to be decent people than christians are. (and I work for one so I've met quite a few)

Again, shouldn't have built the damn minarets. If they didn't want trouble, should've put a cross on it somewhere. Actually, I was sort of the guy who ended the tension, I was the only one who could read the Cyrillic sign outside the building.

Catholic in name only. All the Asians are Buddhist. Lots of Protestants. I'm technically not Roman Catholic myself.
What exactly were these threats from various school students directed at this church that looked somewhat like a mosque? "Don't mess with us, muslim terrorist scum, I passed GTA San Andreas, so I can pwn you with my airsoft AK and shit! My friend here knows how to kill your kind, he watched the latest season of 24! We'll f**k you up good!"

I doubt it. The last mosque they tried to build got shut down during building 'cause of our threats. Then it turned out to be a Maco church, so we let them continue.

Truly you are a whinging and unsavoury individual.

Again, shouldn't have built the damn minarets. If they didn't want trouble, should've put a cross on it somewhere. Actually, I was sort of the guy who ended the tension, I was the only one who could read the Cyrillic sign outside the building.

DAMN THOSE MINARETS! never mind that the call to prayer was originally an Orthodox Christian thing and they've been building Minarets on their churches for longer than Islam has existed. people should just stop being themselves and try to fit better into the little stereotyped categories we have in our heads, so don't have to expend any excess energy on figuring out who we hate! we should probably tell the Antiochian archdiocese to stop calling God "Allah" (which again they've done for longer than Islam has existed) because its making it hard to be accurate with our racist bigotry. pretty much everybody who isn't muslim should also stop being brown, so we can tell who the enemy is on site. ooo, I know, we could get them to wear little badges, like stars for the jews and pink triangles for the fags and little crescents for the muslims!

What exactly were these threats from various school students directed at this church that looked somewhat like a mosque? "Don't mess with us, muslim terrorist scum, I passed GTA San Andreas, so I can pwn you with my airsoft AK and shit! My friend here knows how to kill your kind, he watched the latest season of 24! We'll f**k you up good!"

I dunno. Probably something like "Stop building or we'll burn it down" or something like that. I didn't do any threats personally, I was just on stand by in case those wretched prayers started screeching out.

I was just on stand by in case those wretched prayers started screeching out.

"God is greatest, God is greatest, I declare there is no one else worthy of worship, prayer is better than sleep, God is greatest"

that's just despicable! how can people stand to show love for their creator like that? wretched indeed!

"God is greatest, God is greatest, I declare there is no one else worthy of worship, prayer is better than sleep, God is greatest"

that's just despicable! how can people stand to show love for their creator like that? wretched indeed!

It is if it's in arabic and spoken in Australia.

It is if it's in arabic and spoken in Australia.

yeah, other cultures definitely need to stay the hell out of australia. I mean, you were there first, right? that's why you're an animist who speaks Pama-Nyungan and are a nomadic hunter-gatherer.

"God is greatest, God is greatest, I declare there is no one else worthy of worship, prayer is better than sleep, God is greatest"

that's just despicable! how can people stand to show love for their creator like that? wretched indeed!

If it were past a certain decibel level, you could probably get it banned. That would be much more reasonable than setting fire to it. :p

So the last time it happened non-Muslims were making a political statement. Now you have no evidence to decide either way. Clearly, the only logical reason must be evil Islamic imperialism, not like the same as last time. :rolleyes:
*waits for a reply*

It is if it's in arabic and spoken in Australia.

and wait, did you say you can read Cyrillic? could it be that you're an immigrant too? hypocrisy is an amazing thing...

and wait, did you say you can read Cyrillic? could it be that you're an immigrant too? hypocrisy is an amazing thing...

Yeah, but we're not muslim. We don't care about Europeans.

Yeah, but we're not muslim. We don't care about Europeans.

Then what the hell is this thread for???

A select few religious extremists object to a nude statue? My word, whatever next?:rolleyes:

Much as I would like to infer that Islam is irreconcilable to the west from this, all it represents are the anachronistic sensibilities of a repressive religious sect.

A select few religious extremists object to a nude statue? My word, whatever next?:rolleyes:

Much as I would like to infer that Islam is irreconcilable to the west from this, all it represents are the anachronistic sensibilities of a repressive religious sect.

I never thought YOU'D think that this is acceptable.

A select few religious extremists object to a nude statue? My word, whatever next?:rolleyes:

Much as I would like to infer that Islam is irreconcilable to the west from this, all it represents are the anachronistic sensibilities of a repressive religious sect.

this isn't even about religious extremists. it's about anonymous vandals (doing exactly the same thing that anti-muslims did a few years ago). I doubt it has anything to do with real Islam.

The actions of an unknown number of presumably muslim individuals are representative of all muslims everywhere?
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/humor-penguins.gif

I never thought YOU'D think that this is acceptable.

I don't find it acceptable. It's nothing more than archaic censorship justified by archaic sensibilities. However, my only point would be that puritanical christians have made equal, if not more vehement, objections of nude sculptures, thus the notion of cultural imperialism is difficult to infer from this.

this isn't even about religious extremists. it's about anonymous vandals (doing exactly the same thing that anti-muslims did a few years ago). I doubt it has anything to do with real Islam.

What precisely is "Real Islam"? Given that the theological debate regarding the true form of Islam has not been satisfactorily answered in some 1400 years, by theologians and academics far more erudite and intelligent than you, I'd be a little surprised if you can offer a definition of "Real Islam" that is not simplistic in the extreme.

Or perhaps you have fabricated an "Islam" for the purposes of discussion that is entirely warm and cuddly?

The actions of an unknown number of presumably muslim individuals are representative of all muslims everywhere?

Come on, Iffy, don't be such a fool. They start with petty vandalism, and you think "hey, it's just kids, what kind of dithering fool would read anything into this?" But before you know it, those vandals have become your rulers, and you'll be forced to worship the darkies.

I mean, duh, come on. Wake up to reality here.

Come on, Iffy, don't be such a fool. They start with petty vandalism, and you think "hey, it's just kids, what kind of dithering fool would read anything into this?" But before you know it, those vandals have become your rulers, and you'll be forced to worship the darkies.

I mean, duh, come on. Wake up to reality here.

Oh God, it's all so clear to me now! This is just another subtle blow in their war agsint everything we love and hold dear!

Oh God, it's all so clear to me now! This is just another subtle blow in their war agsint everything we love and hold dear!

Guard your children. And put on your tin hat.

They're coming.

No, Americaphobes, don't cream your pants.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/05/21/mermaid.statue.ap/index.html

Here's the funny part: It's just as likely to be anti-muslims as it is to be muslims.

Also to be mentioned is that far worse has already been done to the mermaid *nods*

Guard your children. And put on your tin hat.

They're coming.

God grant us victory over the infidels! ...wait a second...

That statue standing there, naked, is a symbol of the freedom that our ancestors fought for, and pretending that covering it up in no big deal is an insult to their sacrifices.

It really isn't. It's a homage to H.C. Andersen.

Guard your children. And put on your tin hat.

They're coming.
:eek:
Quick, where can I buy a bomb shelter?
It really isn't. It's a homage to H.C. Andersen.

You mean H.C. Andersen didn't fight for our freedom?

It was. But it LOOKED like a mosque. Which meant war. Shouldn't built minarets and domes, should they?

Are you stupid or something? The whole point of quoting you on that is:

You're REALLY quick to jump to conclusions.

That statue standing there, naked, is a symbol of the freedom that our ancestors fought for, and pretending that covering it up in no big deal is an insult to their sacrifices.

wait wait wait wait, again, you speak a slavic language and live in australia, how is anything in the netherlands something your ancestors fought for?

That statue standing there, naked, is a symbol of the freedom that our ancestors fought for, and pretending that covering it up in no big deal is an insult to their sacrifices.

Er... you DO realise that Hans Christian Andersen told FAIRY TALES, right???

God grant us victory over the infidels! ...wait a second...

:eek:

He's one of them!

An intruder in our ranks!

Get him!

You mean H.C. Andersen didn't fight for our freedom?

He did!? :eek: Ehm, I mean, of course he did :p

Well, bar the fact that the little mermaid dies at the end.

You mean H.C. Andersen didn't fight for our freedom?

Well, I remember he had a one-legged tin soldier. Do you think that'll win us the war? Or will he have to send the match girl into battle, too?

wait wait wait wait, again, you speak a slavic language and live in australia, how is anything in the netherlands something your ancestors fought for?

...?

Netherlands?

I live in the Netherlands? :eek:

He did!? :eek: Ehm, I mean, of course he did :p

Well, bar the fact that the little mermaid dies at the end.

disney didn't do him justice...I thought she lived happily ever after, and had children (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240684/)!

disney didn't do him justice...I thought she lived happily ever after, and had children (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240684/)!

Disney ruined a lot of good fairytales that end horribly. The little red riding hood, for example, gets... well, it's rather unpleasant, but she supposedly gets raped by the wolf.

wait wait wait wait, again, you speak a slavic language and live in australia, how is anything in the netherlands something your ancestors fought for?

That statue is in Denmark....

...?

Netherlands?

I live in the Netherlands? :eek:

The evil Muslims took over the Netherlands, and are now starting their conquest of Denmark. The statute is just the first shot in the war.

...?

Netherlands?

I live in the Netherlands? :eek:

oops. Denmark* one of those cold, liberal, wet places. that's embarrassing. I was thinking Dutch/Danish...gimme a break, it's 5am and I've been up all night...

oops. Denmark* one of those cold, liberal, wet places. that's embarrassing. I was thinking Dutch/Danish...gimme a break, it's 5am and I've been up all night...

:p Tis okay.

Also, if Denmark is cold, liberal and wet and Netherlands is well... cold, liberal and wet.

Doesn't that make them the same? :p

Well, I remember he had a one-legged tin soldier. Do you think that'll win us the war? Or will he have to send the match girl into battle, too?

They'll fall helpless before our nekkid mermaids.

When did I say anything about destroyed? Just don't touch our cultural symbols. We haven't put Coca-Cola advertisements on their mosques.

Wait, I'm gonna note that down, might do that.

Ahhh yes, I wondered when you'd get back into this game TPF. What, no faux Norwegian newspapers to proclaim that the Muslims will destroy the world, this time?

That statue standing there, naked, is a symbol of the freedom that our ancestors fought for, and pretending that covering it up in no big deal is an insult to their sacrifices.

Hate to tell you bub, but I don't think that statue represents anything as such. I'm fairly sure it's...just a statue of a mermaid. And is there any evidence that the perpetrator was Muslim? I mean, it couldn't possibly be someone else, could it? It had to be an evil, imperialist Muslim...

They'll fall helpless before our nekkid mermaids.

I might add that at least one of her breasts has been touched to the point of actually maintaining the colour of bronze.

On the other hand:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,,2085308,00.html

But it's only Muslims that are 'cultural imperialists,' right?

On the other hand:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,,2085308,00.html

But it's only Muslims that are 'cultural imperialists,' right?

The rest of Europe is so full of muslims that they're escaping to SPAIN.

Did you even READ it?

If I went and draped some muslim iconic thing in the Stars and Stripes, you'd be calling for my execution.

No. I'd call for you to get the same treatment most vandals get. 100 hours of community service.

The rest of Europe is so full of muslims that they're escaping to SPAIN.
What, escaping to a country that's 3% Muslim?

...?

Netherlands?

I live in the Netherlands? :eek:

So you live in Denmark? Excellent! It was YOU! *points* :p

So you live in Denmark? Excellent! It was YOU! *points* :p

No Mr. Officer, I swearz I wasn't drunk! And no Mr. Officer, it wasn't me either, it was ehm... That guy over there! Quick! He's running away!

I might add that at least one of her breasts has been touched to the point of actually maintaining the colour of bronze.

Sweet.

What, escaping to a country that's 3% Muslim?

As opposed to 20% muslim like the rest of Europe.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20070520LittleMermaidBurqa.jpg

Without knowing who actually did this and for what, I refuse to give any opinions on the issue. :p

As opposed to 20% muslim like the rest of Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Western_Europe

You: 20%
Reality: average 3%

You fail.

As opposed to 20% muslim like the rest of Europe.

Hyperbole: The number of muslims in Europe does not exceed 10%.

And is in fact much lower than that.

After some calculation, the average turns out at about 3,3%

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20070520LittleMermaidBurqa.jpg

Without knowing who actually did this and for what, I refuse to give any opinions on the issue. :p

Your sanity has no place here.

Hyperbole: The number of muslims in Europe does not exceed 10%.

And is in fact much lower than that.

After some calculation, the average turns out at about 3,3%

I can see how someone could read 3.3% as 20%.




Nah, not really.

Sweet.

She is rather easily accessible *nods* probably doesn't mind either :eek:

Maybe the Burka thing was due to our new perverted overlords wanting kinky sex with a mermaid dressed up as a muslim?

I can see how someone could read 3.3% as 20%.




Nah, not really.

To be fair to his argument, Spain does have fewer muslims, but I doubt that's why they go there.

Temperature anyone!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Western_Europe

You: 20%
Reality: average 3%

You fail.

You can't cite Wikipedia as a source. It's fundamentally unreliable.

Meh.

If it was a prank or political statement or somesuch, then I don't really care. People do stuff like that all the time. If it does no lasting damage, then it's not worth worrying about.

If they were covering the statue up because they think it's offensive or immodest, then I don't have any sympathy. The statue was there before they were, and it's none of their business. If they didn't want to live somewhere with a nudey statue, there are plenty of other places they could have gone.

You can't cite Wikipedia as a source. It's fundamentally unreliable.
For this discussion, it is. It is plainly obvious that Europe is not 20% Muslim as TPF claims, even if Bosnia, Albania and Macedonia were to be included.

She is rather easily accessible *nods* probably doesn't mind either :eek:

Maybe the Burka thing was due to our new perverted overlords wanting kinky sex with a mermaid dressed up as a muslim?
That sounds pretty hot actually.

Does anyone find it funny that our resident potato claims to not care what goes on in Europe, but keeps on bringing up topics about it?

That sounds pretty hot actually.

Not my can of fish really.

Now, catholic schoolgirls in short skirts :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Western_Europe

You: 20%
Reality: average 3%

You fail.

Not a sensation new to him.

For this discussion, it is. It is plainly obvious that Europe is not 20% Muslim as TPF claims, even if Bosnia, Albania and Macedonia were to be included.

One still cannot cite unreliable evidence. Or is it acceptable when it suits?

Not my can of fish really.

Now, catholic schoolgirls in short skirts :D

Catholic mermaids in short skirts?

One still cannot cite unreliable evidence. Or is it acceptable when it suits?
I don't think I have to trail through sources to prove the bleeding obvious, especially when the article posted actually has sources referenced.

Catholic mermaids in short skirts?

Top part fish?

One still cannot cite unreliable evidence. Or is it acceptable when it suits?

Wikipedia has always been acceptable here. We're not exactly an academic institution.

Top part fish?

Left part fish.

Wikipedia has always been acceptable here. We're not exactly an academic institution.

Not an academic one, no.....

Left part fish.

I knew it! Nationstates is baised to the left!

Anyways, I am off.

I knew it! Nationstates is baised to the left!

Anyways, I am off.
*Waves handkerchief*

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20070520LittleMermaidBurqa.jpg

Without knowing who actually did this and for what, I refuse to give any opinions on the issue. :p

haha, the burqa really doesn't look that bad on her...or maybe its just nice lighting.

Wikipedia has always been acceptable here. We're not exactly an academic institution.

How do we know New Bermesia hasn't simply altered the facts before citing them?

I don't think I have to trail through sources to prove the bleeding obvious, especially when the article posted actually has sources referenced.

Just making the point that Wikipedia is unreliable....

Yay for the Potato Factory!

I've always thought you'd make a good troll. Now you prove it to the tune of 190 posts in a mere seven hours.

You have my respect at last. :fluffle:

Just making the point that Wikipedia is unreliable....

blasphemy!

Wikipedia > God

How do we know New Bermesia hasn't simply altered the facts before citing them?
Because it was last edited a week ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslims_in_Western_Europe&action=history

Bah! Stop being diligent.:D

Yay for the Potato Factory!

I've always thought you'd make a good troll. Now you prove it to the tune of 190 posts in a mere seven hours.

You have my respect at last. :fluffle:

If I was trolling, you'd know. This isn't trolling. I'm being entirely honest.

If I was trolling, you'd know. This isn't trolling. I'm being entirely honest.

You mean apart from when you make up statistics about the number of muslims in Europe?

If I was trolling, you'd know. This isn't trolling. I'm being entirely honest.

Never mind. You have my respect anyway. Cop a load of the last thread I started.

You mean apart from when you make up statistics about the number of muslims in Europe?

It was an honest guess. If you're French, it's not far off either.

If I was trolling, you'd know. This isn't trolling. I'm being entirely honest.

In fairness, ignorance of the level you've shown is hard to fake.

Why is building a mosque with Minarets etc unacceptable, might I inquire?

It was an honest guess. If you're French, it's not far off either.

give or take 15%

give or take 15%

It's closer to 10%.

It was an honest guess. If you're French, it's not far off either.

*bumps back in*

Oh no, it just makes the difference between three times the amount or, in numbers, eight million people.

Yeah, because both is not far off.

*bumps back out*

(psst: Stop being intellectually dishonest)

In fairness, ignorance of the level you've shown is hard to fake.

Why is building a mosque with Minarets etc unacceptable, might I inquire?

It's the mosque part that we're concerned about. Minarets are indicative of mosques.

It's closer to 10%.

Oh ffs! learn maths: 13 is closer to 15 than 10.

It was an honest guess. If you're French, it's not far off either.
Only in the order of 10%.

It's the mosque part that we're concerned about. Minarets are indicative of mosques.

Which would indicate (as far as your concerned) muslims....Now call me a mad liberal but wouldnt the Australian principle of giving people a 'fair go' dictate that they be allowed do whatever it is until they prove themselves one way or another, rather than hang them all with some pre conceived notion?

Oh ffs! learn maths: 13 is closer to 15 than 10.

Read it again, very carefully.

It's the mosque part that we're concerned about. Minarets are indicative of mosques.
And the problem with that is..?

Which would indicate (as far as your concerned) muslims....Now call me a mad liberal but wouldnt the Australian principle of giving people a 'fair go' dictate that they be allowed do whatever it is until they prove themselves one way or another, rather than hang them all with some pre conceived notion?

The principle of a "fair go" is overridden by the principle of "you gang raped white women and keep telling us what to do because they think your religion should rule the world, thus we don't like you".

The stereotype of the friendly Australia croc hunter who wears a hat with corks hanging from it who believes in mateship and a fair go is a major misconception. We're a lot more no-nonsense than the rest of the West. Bring your shitty cultural luggage here, and we will deal with you.

And the problem with that is..?

muslims are bad news all over the world. Everywhere there's muslims, there's trouble. Riots in Paris, genocide in Sudan, fighting in Lebanon, gang rapists in Sydney. We've had enough.

The stereotype of the friendly Australia croc hunter who wears a hat with corks hanging from it who believes in mateship and a fair go is a major misconception. We're a lot more no-nonsense than the rest of the West. Bring your shitty cultural luggage here, and we will deal with you.

Rest of the West? Don't you have to actually be in the West to refer to the 'rest' of it?

Rest of the West? Don't you have to actually be in the West to refer to the 'rest' of it?

Yes, I'm sure Australia isn't part of the West. Neither is Japan, is it? :rolleyes:

Yes, I'm sure Australia isn't part of the West. Neither is Japan, is it? :rolleyes:

http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/political_world_map_603.jpg

Unless 'the west' is some kind of encircling cultural empire, no.

Yes, I'm sure Australia isn't part of the West. Neither is Japan, is it? :rolleyes:

No. They're both not. Unless you change your definition of West and start excluding most of Europe.

Geography.

http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/political_world_map_603.jpg

Unless 'the west' is some kind of encircling cultural empire, no.

The West =/= west.

No. They're both not. Unless you change your definition of West and start excluding most of Europe.

Geography.

Are you people stupid or something? You've never heard of "the West"?

How's about this: the countries who were on the US side in the Cold War. Did I dumb that down enough for you?

The principle of a "fair go" is overridden by the principle of "you gang raped white women and keep telling us what to do because they think your religion should rule the world, thus we don't like you"..

Aha. So rather than say what kind of people they are, you automatically associate them with an incident involving the Lebanese community a few years ago, regardless of the fact the people involved were caught, tried and jailed. I wonder what would happen if we looked up the number of times an Asian was killed/raped, or indeed an aboriginal person was abused by a "white" christian, and treated the whole "white" community with that level of venom.....


We're a lot more no-nonsense than the rest of the West. Bring your shitty cultural luggage here, and we will deal with you.

I wouldn't say "we" were I you. I doubt theres too many Australians would wish to be associated with you. Its also interesting you talk about "cultural" baggage, when you tried to pass yourself off as "german". My own guess is that the only thing that you will be dealing with any time soon is your acne.

muslims are bad news all over the world. Everywhere there's muslims, there's trouble. Riots in Paris, genocide in Sudan, fighting in Lebanon, gang rapists in Sydney. We've had enough.
...terrorism in Ireland, Poll Tax Riots in the UK, Phelps in America, Oklahoma Bombing, Riots in Sydney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots), Fighting in southern Mexico.

So, are Catholics, Protestants, Anyone who disagreed with Thatcher, Christians, Americans, Australians and Mexicans all 'bad news' too?

TPF is a resist.com cartoon away from being a complete caricature.

Aha. So rather than say what kind of people they are, you automatically associate them with an incident involving the Lebanese community a few years ago, regardless of the fact the people involved were caught, tried and jailed. I wonder what would happen if we looked up the number of times an Asian was killed/raped, or indeed an aboriginal person was abused by a "white" christian, and treated the whole "white" community with that level of venom....

We never gang raped women while yelling racial epithets at them.

I wouldn't say "we" were I you. I doubt theres too many Australians would wish to be associated with you.

Then you're wrong. I was talking about the Danish statue at school today. We all agreed that if something like that happened here, we'd form a posse.

And this isn't my old high school. Not just wogs, Anglos too.

Its also interesting you talk about "cultural" baggage, when you tried to pass yourself off as "german". My own guess is that the only thing that you will be dealing with any time soon is your acne.

I am German. The people who Australia say so, the populace has spoken.

...terrorism in Ireland, Poll Tax Riots in the UK, Phelps in America, Oklahoma Bombing, Riots in Sydney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots), Fighting in southern Mexico.

So, are Catholics, Protestants, Anyone who disagreed with Thatcher, Christians, Americans, Australians and Mexicans all 'bad news' too?

That post lost all credibility when you used the Cronulla Riots, a DEFENSIVE riot in response to harassment of whites by muslims, as an example of Western terrorism.

We never gang raped women while yelling racial epithets at them.

Utterly ignorant of the atrocities committed to found your country, eh?

We never gang raped women while yelling racial epithets at them.



Then you're wrong. I was talking about the Danish statue at school today. We all agreed that if something like that happened here, we'd form a posse.

And this isn't my old high school. Not just wogs, Anglos too.



I am German. The people who Australia say so, the populace has spoken.

The fact you even used that word just nullified your entire argument. Go back to school and learn some tolerence, manners and a little history and you might be ok.

The fact you even used that word just nullified your entire argument. Go back to school and learn some tolerence, manners and a little history and you might be ok.

I'M a wog you twit.

Utterly ignorant of the atrocities committed to found your country, eh?

Not my problem. That was centuries before my family even knew Australia existed.

I'M a wog you twit.

That maybe so twit. And the fact that you feel comfortable using a derogatory term to describe yourself says a lot about you.

Do you even know the origins of that word? Because it sure as hell was not intended to describe Germans.

That post lost all credibility when you used the Cronulla Riots, a DEFENSIVE riot in response to harassment of whites by muslims, as an example of Western terrorism.
What? Defensively going round and beating innocent people senseless? Defensively going on a drunken rampage? Defensively chanting about ethnic cleansing?

I've never heard such stupidity in my life.

That maybe so twit. And the fact that you feel comfortable using a derogatory term to describe yourself says a lot about you.

What, so blacks can call themselves niggers, but you got a problem with European-Australians calling themselves wogs?

Get with the times. We all do it.

Do you even know the origins of that word? Because it sure as hell was not intended to describe Germans.

Nowadays, wog can mean almost any European-Australians. At least in my area. I'm German-Ukrainian.

What? Defensively going round and beating innocent people senseless? Defensively going on a drunken rampage? Defensively chanting about ethnic cleansing?

I've never heard such stupidity in my life.

If they didn't want a fight, they shouldn't have bashed lifesavers. You DON'T bash lifesavers. It's like shooting at a medic; a lowlife, cowardly act.

Nowadays, wog can mean almost any European-Australians. At least in my area. I'm German-Ukrainian.

Then you're a bunch of fucking idiots.

wog
n. Chiefly British Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a person of color, especially a person from northern Africa or western or southern Asia.

wog
c.1920, "a lower-class babu shipping clerk" [Partridge]; later World War II British armed forces slang for "native of India" (especially as a servant or laborer), possibly shortened from golliwog. Many acronym origins have been proposed, none found satisfactory.

wog
n. Chiefly British Slang: Disparaging and Offensive. any nonwhite, esp. a dark-skinned native of the Middle East or Southeast Asia.

1/ What, so blacks can call themselves niggers, but you got a problem with European-Australians calling themselves wogs?

2/ Get with the times. We all do it.



3/ Nowadays, wog can mean almost any European-Australians. At least in my area. I'm German-Ukrainian.

1/ I take exception to anybody using derogatory terms. Its called being polite, even about yourself.

2/ All of whom?

3/ The word wog is an acronym that was originally used to decribe asians trying to ape European culture - Westernized Oriental Gentleman. I have never heard of it being used to describe European australians and would be interested to hear from other aussies on the subject.

On a side note, you need to calm down pal.

Then you're a bunch of fucking idiots.


n. Chiefly British Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a person of color, especially a person from northern Africa or western or southern Asia.

It's NEVER meant that in Australia. It was originally used to describe European immigrants, especially Greeks and Italians (as most immigration came from those regions back then). Football (soccer) used to be referred to as "wogball" by Anglos.

If you used the term to describe an African or Indonesian, you'd just be a wanker.

If they didn't want a fight, they shouldn't have bashed lifesavers. You DON'T bash lifesavers. It's like shooting at a medic; a lowlife, cowardly act.
So, you're saying 1)that the only people who were beaten up by a racially motivated drunken mob were all directly involved with the lifesavers and 2)that when there's Muslims suspected to be involved mob violence is an adequate substitute for the police and courts?

2/ All of whom?

European-Australians. Croatians mostly, these days.

3/ The word wog is an acronym that was originally used to decribe asians trying to ape European culture - Westernized Oriental Gentleman. I have never heard of it being used to describe European australians and would be interested to hear from other aussies on the subject.

Again, it's never meant that around here. Linky.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog#As_a_racial_reference_in_Australian_English)

So, you're saying 1)that the only people who were beaten up by a racially motivated drunken mob were all directly involved with the lifesavers and 2)that when there's Muslims suspected to be involved mob violence is an adequate substitute for the police and courts?

1) No. It's called collateral damage.
2) What are we supposed to do, when the law does nothing, in the name of political correctness?

European-Australians. Croatians mostly, these days.



Again, it's never meant that around here. Linky.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog#As_a_racial_reference_in_Australian_English)


I draw your attention to the first sentance of that article.

"Wog is a racist term...."

Nice to know how you think.

And if you would care to delve into your own history back to colonial times you will find my description quite accurate.

*bashed head against desk*

OK. That happened THREE YEARS AGO. IN 2004. This time, they just put a tent on it. NO NOTE.

And that means they're muslims because...?

Give me some evidence. Now. Or admit defeat.

Go nuts. When you try to build a church with minarets and domes near a Catholic school attended by large numbers of Croats, you're asking for it.

No. You're not "asking for it" anymore than you would be "asking for it" by putting a church near a mosque. You don't get to threaten people. You don't get to harass people. You don't get to harm people.

And "asking for it" is the same excuse rapists use.

1/ I take exception to anybody using derogatory terms. Its called being polite, even about yourself.

2/ All of whom?

3/ The word wog is an acronym that was originally used to decribe asians trying to ape European culture - Westernized Oriental Gentleman. I have never heard of it being used to describe European australians and would be interested to hear from other aussies on the subject.

On a side note, you need to calm down pal.

Get over your terribly unoriginal zeal and stop foaming at the mouth. I daresay TPF is correct, and, as ever, the rabid legions of the NSG "hooray for multiculturalism" have reacted with almost McCarthyesque vigour. Well done.:rolleyes:

1) No. It's called collateral damage.
Even if it were collateral damage, it wouldn't be acceptable, because that is not how justice is supposed to operate in a democratic and civilised society. We do not engage in collective punishment in this way. If this were blacks on whites in Namibia, or South Africa, say, and innocent whites were caught up in it, you'd be the first to make a fuss about it here.

But in any case, it wasn't about finding the perpetrators and bringing them to justice, because otherwise it would have been left to the police and the courts. Other wise the text message "Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge. This Sunday every Aussie in the Shire get down to North Cronulla to support Leb and wog bashing day." (link (http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/these-days-its-harder-to-be-different/2006/12/06/1165081019992.html)) wouldn't have been circulating. People wouldn't have been chanting racist slogans. Innocent people would not have been caught up in it.

2) What are we supposed to do, when the law does nothing, in the name of political correctness?
Ah, is that what it has come to? Does the Australian police not investigate crimes because they might be done by Muslims? No. What a load of bull.

It was. But it LOOKED like a mosque. Which meant war. Shouldn't built minarets and domes, should they?

No. It didn't mean war anymore than building a synagogue in Germany, 1939, did. Unless your community is LIKE Germany, 1939, and you support that. And, no, not Godwin, because, this time, the comparison holds. You don't get to tell people how to build. You don't get to tell people where to build it. You don't get to tell people ANYTHING, kid.

We never gang raped women while yelling racial epithets at them..

So you're saying no abuse of Aboriginal women, based on their race, occurred?




Then you're wrong. I was talking about the Danish statue at school today. We all agreed that if something like that happened here, we'd form a posse...

OOOOOOoooooo, a 'posse!!!!!'. From school too...... What happens if the 'posse' is needed but its dinner time and nobody is allowed out?


I am German. The people who Australia say so, the populace has spoken.

I think the Germans here spoke and said something like "Nein" to that...didn't they?

If they didn't want trouble, should've put a cross on it somewhere.

"If she didn't want to be raped, she should have dressed more modestly, your honor."

"If they had more of a social life, they wouldn't be beaten up, teacher."

"If they weren't jewish, they wouldn't be taken to the ovens, Führer."

And on it goes.

No. It didn't mean war anymore than building a synagogue in Germany, 1939, did. Unless your community is LIKE Germany, 1939, and you support that. And, no, not Godwin, because, this time, the comparison holds. You don't get to tell people how to build. You don't get to tell people where to build it. You don't get to tell people ANYTHING, kid.

Just to clarify: Godwin makes no provision against appropriate comparisons. ANY comparison to Nazism, Hitler, or Nazi Germany is a Godwin, irrespective of how appropriate it is.

That does not, however, mean that Godwinning is always wrong. IF the comparison is appropriate.

*fades back into the shadows*

It's closer to 10%.

Let's try this then, because I hate people who suck at maths as bad as you do:

The original was: Give or take 15%. You claim: It's closer to [Give or take] 10%.

However, it isn't:

it's take away 13%. 13% is closer to give or take 15% than give or take 10%.

There, did I read it carefully enough for you or are you still math illiterate?