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This sentiment brought to you by someone that (I believe) celebrated the death of Molly Ivins.

My uncertainty is only over whether Corny was Allegheny County 2. Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12344742&postcount=4)

Yeah, Corny is AC2. Another example of classic Cornyism at work.

I must admit, it is on days like this that I regret not believing in an afterlife. I can just imagine Falwell approaching the Pearly Gates only to be greeted by Matthew Shepard and Tinky Winky, both sipping Campari and waving to Falwell as he slides downward, a look of horror on his flapping jowls, into hell.

It'd be more like South Park.

JF: "Waitaminit..." (Looks around at the fire and brimstone) "This isn't Heaven!"
Satan: "No it is not, Jerry Falwell. Welcome to Hell... we have been expecting you!"
JF: "But how... I did everything in the name of the Lord!"
Satan: "No... you spread hatred and intolerance in the name of the Lord."
Saddam Hussein: "Hey look honey! Now we can finally do that threesome we always talked about!"
JF: "NOOOOOOOOOO!!"

It'd be more like South Park.

JF: "Waitaminit..." (Looks around at the fire and brimstone) "This isn't Heaven!"
Satan: "No it is not, Jerry Falwell. Welcome to Hell... we have been expecting you!"
JF: "But how... I did everything in the name of the Lord!"
Satan: "No... you spread hatred and intolerance in the name of the Lord."
Saddam Hussein: "Hey look honey! Now we can finally do that threesome we always talked about!"
JF: "NOOOOOOOOOO!!"

Because after all, only Mormons can get into heaven!

Actually, if you remember the "Kenny as Kenanu Reeves" episode, Jerry Falwell and his ilk are actually Satan's dupes. :p

Actually, if you remember the "Kenny as Kenanu Reeves" episode, Jerry Falwell and his ilk are actually Satan's dupes. :p

And one of the archangels has a penchant for sniffing dry erase markers.

Everybody has relatives, and those who truly know and love Reverend Falwell are in mourning now. That is nothing over which to rejoice.

True, he did speak out for and on behalf of a certain brand of faith, and that faith included many ideas that divided this nation, and continue to divide it.

That said, I think the net result of the things you say and do is what matters. And while his right to freedom of speech was certainly well used, and rightly so, the things he said were incredibly hateful, spiteful, divisive and at least very, VERY presumptuous. Anyone claiming to speak for God had better be 100% sure -- and I have no doubt that he believed he was. Rationalizers have no better example than televangelists.

But imagine that you're a homosexual, a regular, peaceful Muslim, a woman who wanted something different (notice I didn't say "better") than to be a housewife -- the things Reverend Falwell said about all of those groups and more, tarring them liberally with the same, hopelessly inaccurate brush, would wound you to your very core. That's not love. That's malice. Premeditated malice. And folks, when that gets visited in the form of a crime, we punish it. He may have condemned the shooting of doctors who perform abortions, but he also inflamed the sensibilities of some who have done just that.

He may have condemned murder, but he bragged about helping launch the war in Iraq with the notion that "God is Pro-war". War is murder, writ large.

Am I glad Reverend Falwell is dead? Of course not. However, am I glad that his personal voice, which spread a twisted gospel of exclusion, division, fear and hate, is silenced?

Yes. Yes I am.

Do I think for a minute that this will have any affect on the aforementioned spread? Not a whit. There are many to take his place, and his image will be used as a quasi-martyr standard behind which the faithful will be called to rally...and give money...and vote.

Marx was wrong about religion. It isn't the opiate of the masses, it's the cyanide.

Faith is not the problem, it's how faith, through the abuse of religious hucksters, gets perverted. Reverend Falwell was a master of such manipulation. There will be more.

I was going to write something more detailed, but "what Intangelon said" quite perfectly sums up my whole opinion on this topic.

"Much death"? Horseshit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2323897.stm
The Reverend Jerry Falwell, the conservative American Baptist preacher, has apologised for calling the Prophet Mohammed a "terrorist".

His original remarks, broadcast last week on the US television programme 60 Minutes, sparked outrage among many Muslims around the world and set off sectarian riots in India that left at least eight dead.

I bet all the liberal, God Hating scum are cheering right about now.

Disliking Falwell is not the same as hating God(s).

Neither am I cheering at his death, though I loathed his behavior and opinions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2323897.stm

Not sure I'd blame Falwell for that, exactly. I mean, there had to be a process of escalation before that could happen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2323897.stm

Not sure I'd blame Falwell for that, exactly. I mean, there had to be a process of escalation before that could happen.yeah there was a process of escalation..
first Mohammed called Falwell a Wuss, then Falwell called Mohamed a Towel head, then Mohammed called Falwell a moron, then.. :D (I always wondered how can you escalate insults with a dead man)

yeah there was a process of escalation..
first Mohammed called Falwell a Wuss, then Falwell called Mohamed a Towel head, then Mohammed called Falwell a moron, then..

Hehe. :p

I do think you know what I meant, though. ;)

Hehe. :p

I do think you know what I meant, though. ;)I admit it. I dont.. :p

I admit it. I dont.. :p

Just that Falwell's remarks, no matter how insensitive, don't cause mass killings in a vaccum. There had to be some supervening event, there. :)

I bet all the liberal, God Hating scum are cheering right about now.

What about us liberal god-ignoring heroes? We're certainly cheering that the founder of Immoral Majority is dead.

Just that Falwell's remarks, no matter how insensitive, don't cause mass killings in a vaccum. There had to be some supervening event, there. :)

Some people just need an excuse to riot. Falwell gave it by his insensitive remarks.

Some local muslim leader took the opportunity to show "street power".

Who can we blame? Falwell? local muslim incendiaries? govt, for not acting quickly? I think all of them share the blame.

Ha. You're amusing. This isn't about what he believed. This is about what he did. I'm sorry that the difference is not clear to you. By the way, you should look up the definition of strawman so you don't embarass yourself in the future. Since those were my arguments and your entire argument at the time was "horseshit", unless I said you stated something other than "horseshit", which I didn't a strawman is impossible. But, hey, who cares if you don't understand the words you use, right?

Wow. You really are a dumbass, huh?

My sympathies go out to Falwell's wife and children, and to those who mourn him.

Mainly because you've got to have a pretty damn shitty life if you're prepared to mourn Falwell. And if you were unlucky enough to marry him or be one of his kids, then life must be that much shittier for you.

I'm not about to gloat over Falwell's death. The fact that he is dead is nothing to be happy about, because it means that at one time he was alive. That's really a pity.

There's no shortage of people who are prepared to spew stupidity and hate, and doing so certainly doesn't require any intelligence or creativity, so there's no loss to the world when one of them dies.

My sympathies go out to Falwell's wife and children, and to those who mourn him.

Mainly because you've got to have a pretty damn shitty life if you're prepared to mourn Falwell. And if you were unlucky enough to marry him or be one of his kids, then life must be that much shittier for you.

I'm not about to gloat over Falwell's death. The fact that he is dead is nothing to be happy about, because it means that at one time he was alive. That's really a pity.

There's no shortage of people who are prepared to spew stupidity and hate, and doing so certainly doesn't require any intelligence or creativity, so there's no loss to the world when one of them dies.

Ah, the vernacular eloquence that is Bottle.

Wow. You really are a dumbass, huh?

And yet another compelling argument. One that breaks forum rules no less. You know you could try actual debate. \I was trying to, which is why I brought up arguments. Rather than debating them, you called them strawmen. So far we got "bullshit", that my arguments that are not responses, but claims, are strawmen, and now I'm a dumbass. Are you interested in debate?

Nah. I been waitin' on Jerry's egress for twenny-five years at least. The rest can take their time about it.

Even Bush?

Bush Senior, sure. For Georgie-boy, I'll make an exception...

GO PRETZELS!

Don't miss him, glad he is dead.

I do however feel sorry for his family about their loss.

The Teletubbies are not impressed.you need to have a weak mind to be impressed by these tv-evangelists..

Weaker mind than a Teletubby. ;)

I do not celebrate Falwells death, as I celebrate no death, but I refuse to mourn. Thousands of people die every die, and I do not mourn for them. Why should I feel sad for Falwell merley because he was famous?

I would stay more, but it's clear not cheering over another person dying is a crime here. Silly me and not rejoicing in the death of another human being. I am a bad man for not being happy. I'll make a note to throw a party when a Liberal dies, it's obvious Liberals couldn't care less and even wish death on those who they disagree with.

It's clear, is it? I don't see you being prosecuted for not cheering another's death. Are the cops at your door? Good thing hyperbole and martyr complexes aren't crimes, either.

You're not a bad man for not being happy, and nobody -- repeat, NOBODY -- has said that. The problem with your post is that it reeks of fake persecution and rampant paranoia. You're posting in a forum knowing that it has a preponderance of members who don't share your views, and yet you seem to get upset when you post something that the majority reacts poorly to. That's disingenuous at best, and plain stupid at worst.

Since I know you're not stupid, I'll go with willfully disingenuous. I and many others have posted that it's a sad time for Falwell's family and friends and those who cared for him, but we vehemently disagreed with his voice and policies. NOT ONCE did any of us say in any seriousness that he didn't deserve to be heard. And those who did are engaging in exaggeration, the way most of us do (we all say we "hate" X or "love" Y when X and Y are food, celebrities, and so forth -- and please don't tell me that you've never said someone should be shot in a fit of pique or rage or other intense emotional state).

Not rejoicing in the death of another human being? I'd love to have recordings of what you said when you found out Saddam was going to die or what you uttered when he was hanged. Despot or not, he was still a human being. You seem to enjoy sweeping generalizations, and that's fine, but it's hardly useful in debate and it makes your arguments seem infantile.

Please don't think for a moment that any of my views would be welcome at a White Supremacist forum or a Charismatic Evangelical forum. And guess what? I wouldn't post there! You've every right to post here, as do I, but you must be prepared to have that post scrutinized by some very articulate people who can refute what you post with ease as well as some grossly inarticulate people who no more help their own argument by posting than if they just posted a picture of their own feces as a debate point.

In short, grow some skin and make your point without resorting to paranoia, generalizations and all the things you accuse "liberals" of, and guess what? You might just earn some respect instead of the derision which your current line of posts is deservedly harvesting.

Wow. You really are a dumbass, huh?

Son, if you can't do better than that, then perhaps NSG isn't where you should be posting. Jocabia has his bias, to be sure -- we all do -- but to come back to his considered and detailed posts with first "horseshit" and then the above post is really telling us far more about you than him.

PP, we've upped OUR level of discourse, up yours.

What about us liberal god-ignoring heroes? We're certainly cheering that the founder of Immoral Majority is dead.

I had a button once -- I think it's still on my high school letterman's jacket (which I haven't worn since Reagan was in office...) -- which says:

The Moral Majority is neither.

I do not celebrate Falwells death, as I celebrate no death, but I refuse to mourn. Thousands of people die every die, and I do not mourn for them. Why should I feel sad for Falwell merley because he was famous?

Aha. A very compelling argument. Well said.






Dammit. I keep forgetting to use the multi-quote. I'm old. Sorry.

Why is everybody sad for his family??? Those lucky bastards just inherited the multi-millions that Jerry made in the Jesus business. They are rich!

The lesson we should learn from JF's life is to never underestimate how much money idiots will send you if you claim to love Jesus.

Weaker mind than a Teletubby. ;)

Teletubbies have very strong minds. How else could they invent a cybernetic television implant and voice-activated robotic devices?

I had a button once -- I think it's still on my high school letterman's jacket (which I haven't worn since Reagan was in office...) -- which says:

The Moral Majority is neither.

I've seen one that said, "The Religious Right is neither." =)

Meanwhile, would it make me a bad person if I said that I don't really care that Jerry Fallwell died?

Kinda ironic how he said last week he prayed God would give him 20 more years. He didn't even get one more week. weird how that works.

I'm sorry, but the thread title is hilarious now.

Kinda ironic how he said last week he prayed God would give him 20 more years. He didn't even get one more week. weird how that works.

His family was praying harder for inheritance.

*SNIP*
Best post ever.



Marx was wrong about religion. It isn't the opiate of the masses, it's the cyanide.

Faith is not the problem, it's how faith, through the abuse of religious hucksters, gets perverted. Reverend Falwell was a master of such manipulation. There will be more.
Best quote I've seen.



I'm sorry, but the thread title is hilarious now. Not my fault!

Well now that it's been a day (Damn internet outage) I'll give my POV.

While he did to alot of famous things (Famously annoying) he was just another senile talking head in the end. So I don't miss him that much.

I'm sorry, but the thread title is hilarious now.

True.

It's clear, is it? I don't see you being prosecuted for not cheering another's death. Are the cops at your door? Good thing hyperbole and martyr complexes aren't crimes, either.


Read the personal attacks and all out hateful remarks here, People like the nazz treated it as a crime. Get over yourself.

You're not a bad man for not being happy, and nobody -- repeat, NOBODY -- has said that. The problem with your post is that it reeks of fake persecution and rampant paranoia. You're posting in a forum knowing that it has a preponderance of members who don't share your views, and yet you seem to get upset when you post something that the majority reacts poorly to. That's disingenuous at best, and plain stupid at worst.


Paranoia? Try legit disgust over the actions of the people here and others in the mainstream media. I have seen people here celebrate and elsewhere celebrate his death, I am disgusted by that and have every right to be! This forum maybe dominated by leftists but it is not for them alone, and people of different views have just as much right to post here as they do. I have a right to post my views and disagree with the other posts. The leftists here get just as pissed when somebody disagrees with them as I do, you and everybody else has no right to go on a tirade when someone gets angry over dishonest and personal attacks.

Since I know you're not stupid, I'll go with willfully disingenuous. I and many others have posted that it's a sad time for Falwell's family and friends and those who cared for him, but we vehemently disagreed with his voice and policies. NOT ONCE did any of us say in any seriousness that he didn't deserve to be heard. And those who did are engaging in exaggeration, the way most of us do (we all say we "hate" X or "love" Y when X and Y are food, celebrities, and so forth -- and please don't tell me that you've never said someone should be shot in a fit of pique or rage or other intense emotional state).


It was the fact that people here and in the media celebrate his death. I did not agree with him, but I will not celebrate his death as has been done here. You can disagree with him all you want, but attacking him hours after he dies is disgusting and tacky. People who do that deserve no respect.

Not rejoicing in the death of another human being? I'd love to have recordings of what you said when you found out Saddam was going to die or what you uttered when he was hanged. Despot or not, he was still a human being. You seem to enjoy sweeping generalizations, and that's fine, but it's hardly useful in debate and it makes your arguments seem infantile.


You seem clueless. Do a google search on left wing comments on his death and read the comments here. Being disgusted over people acting this way is not infantile, but disagreeing with the actions of others. I have seen more than enough attacks on him after his death from the media and posters here to know the far left is happy he is dead, this is not a generalization but a comment on an absolute fact. If you deny the hateful remarks it shows your true naive nature that you need to overcome.


Saddam killed and oppressed countless people and invaded 2 countries in the name of power, land and oil....It's flatout childish and stupid to put falwell into the same arena as him.

Please don't think for a moment that any of my views would be welcome at a White Supremacist forum or a Charismatic Evangelical forum. And guess what? I wouldn't post there! You've every right to post here, as do I, but you must be prepared to have that post scrutinized by some very articulate people who can refute what you post with ease as well as some grossly inarticulate people who no more help their own argument by posting than if they just posted a picture of their own feces as a debate point.



Are you seriously comparing NS to White Supremacist forum? This forum is supposed to be for all people to post with some intelligence and civil nature, it is not however ok on any level to make blanket comments and personal attacks rather than a real point. This is what has happened here. People like the nazz rather than stay civil picked to attack and make rash blanket comments.



In short, grow some skin and make your point without resorting to paranoia, generalizations and all the things you accuse "liberals" of, and guess what? You might just earn some respect instead of the derision which your current line of posts is deservedly harvesting.



It's paranoia but legit disgust over a celebration of a man deaths. I will continue to disagree with the left and their hateful remarks. I have seen them cheer over his death and all were from the left, I have every right to disagree with that and will continue to do so. But you and you lefty buddies do not have a right to attacking people who have disagreed with you, that is wrong and flatout tacky and a true sign of ignorance.


In short, go check what leftists are saying, stop being so naive and get of your high horse.

Son, if you can't do better than that, then perhaps NSG isn't where you should be posting. Jocabia has his bias, to be sure -- we all do -- but to come back to his considered and detailed posts with first "horseshit" and then the above post is really telling us far more about you than him.

PP, we've upped OUR level of discourse, up yours.


In the grand scheme of things his post was no better or worse than what I have had to read. Get of your high horse and stop playing forum cop. Let people post anyway they want, if it's not up to your standards..deal with it. If it breaks the rules, let the mods do their job.

PP, we've upped OUR level of discourse, up yours.

:D :D :D :D :D

I don't know if that was a pun, intentional or not, but it worked. :p

Well, it's nearly summer, and we're runnin' out of ice...

Pore Judd is Daid, Pore Judd Fry is Daid....

Pore Judd is Daid, Pore Judd Fry is Daid....



What? I don't speak southern fried country hick...Care to translate for me?



(I am not calling you a hick)

http://www.funnystrange.com/quiz/

:p :D

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Read the personal attacks and all out hateful remarks here, People like the nazz treated it as a crime. Get over yourself.


I treated what as a crime? I suggest you find a quote or something, kid.

I wish he'd never been born.

I wish he'd never been born.

But then how else would we be reminded that genetics can go horribly wrong?

But then how else would we be reminded that genetics can go horribly wrong?

Richard Simmons.

Richard Simmons.

I meant within our own species.

I meant within our own species.

Hmmm...Bush counts as kind of an early form of human, right?

But then how else would we be reminded that genetics can go horribly wrong?

Fred Phelps.

I meant within our own species.



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There.

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There.

Oooh...no no no. *ack*

Am I the only person who finds it vaguely ironic a guy with the name of "UnHoly Smite" is yelling at us for being pleased a religious figure died?

Well, it's nearly summer, and we're runnin' out of ice...

Pore Judd is Daid, Pore Judd Fry is Daid....

What? I don't speak southern fried country hick...Care to translate for me?



(I am not calling you a hick)

It is an allusion to a remark that Remote Observer made. The play it came from is Rogers and Hammerstein's Oklahoma.

And it did seem precisely like you were calling me a southern fried country hick, but that's ok -- I don't take offense, though the southerners on this forum mightn't like having a Yankee lumped in with them.

It is an allusion to a remark that Remote Observer made. The play it came from is Rogers and Hammerstein's Oklahoma.

And it did seem precisely like you were calling me a southern fried country hick, but that's ok -- I don't take offense, though the southerners on this forum mightn't like having a Yankee lumped in with them.



Sorry, I wasn't calling you that. I don't know if I can be called a yankee....The closet to the south I am is souther cali and I don't think that counts.

Am I the only person who finds it vaguely ironic a guy with the name of "UnHoly Smite" is yelling at us for being pleased a religious figure died?



Don't judge a book by it's title. My name isn't telling, I don't rejoice in the death of people who didn't do anything to deserve it.



And no, being a homophobic asshole doesn't count. If death was the punishment for being an asshole we would all be dead. I didn't like him, I just don't celebrate his death. He is still a humanbeing...asshole or not.

Don't judge a book by it's title. My name isn't telling, I don't rejoice in the death of people who didn't do anything to deserve it.



And no, being a homophobic asshole doesn't count. If death was the punishment for being an asshole we would all be dead. I didn't like him, I just don't celebrate his death. He is still a humanbeing...asshole or not.

Death isn't really a punishment when you're old and you don't take care of your body. It's pretty much inevitable and natural. We're just glad that it happened, that's all.

Don't judge a book by it's title. My name isn't telling, I don't rejoice in the death of people who didn't do anything to deserve it.



And no, being a homophobic asshole doesn't count. If death was the punishment for being an asshole we would all be dead. I didn't like him, I just don't celebrate his death. He is still a humanbeing...asshole or not.

Yes, it's not like I go around smiting people randomly either, despite my name.

Hmmm...Bush counts as kind of an early form of human, right?

Not really. You see, early humans, like Bush, did rely heavily on instincts due to a lack of a well developed intellect. However, unlike Bush, they had instincts upon which to rely.

Think we could shorten the title to "Falwell in Grave?"

The guy's dead, he's a threat to no one anymore. Let's turn our attention away from his rotting corpse and get to the worthy work of tearing his Bigoted, Obsolete, Self-Gratifying ideas apart and tossing them on the ash-heap of history where they belong! :D

In other words, instead of saying "ding-dong, Falwell's dead, the rotten bastard's dead!" and prancing around like munchkins, those of us who see the falsehood in his ideology should work to counteract it. At the very least, we all can seek out other like-minded people and organizations. Also, talk with your neighbors and others in your communities. Even those who have vastly different beliefs. Many fundamentalists were raised that way and know nothing of the good non fundamentalists can do.

If I may be so bold as to offer some concrete suggestions:

--Support religious communities in your area that promote tolerance.
For example: http://www.uua.org/

--Welcome open and civil discussion on religious and political matters with anyone who is willing to discuss such things with you. For example, if missionaries knock on your door, don't slam it in their faces. Instead, set a little time aside and converse with them. Such conversations can prove beneficial to all participants, and at the worst you're at least causing them to spend their time on you rather than someone they might actually manage to convert!

--Finally, be active in your community's political process! At the minimum, VOTE! If you are able to, volunteer in the campaigns of progressive candidates and in efforts to protest unjust legislation. Write to your governmental representatives, at all levels. The Religious Wrong's success is largely due to the zeal with which their members have dove into political matters. To counteract them, sensible people must act with similar dedication.

These are just a few thoughts on the matter. Do as you wish with them.

As if I really needed an excuse to get drunk today.

Think we could shorten the title to "Falwell in Grave?"

The guy's dead, he's a threat to no one anymore. Let's turn our attention away from his rotting corpse and get to the worthy work of tearing his Bigoted, Obsolete, Self-Gratifying ideas apart and tossing them on the ash-heap of history where they belong! :D

In other words, instead of saying "ding-dong, Falwell's dead, the rotten bastard's dead!" and prancing around like munchkins, those of us who see the falsehood in his ideology should work to counteract it. At the very least, we all can seek out other like-minded people and organizations. Also, talk with your neighbors and others in your communities. Even those who have vastly different beliefs. Many fundamentalists were raised that way and know nothing of the good non fundamentalists can do.

If I may be so bold as to offer some concrete suggestions:

--Support religious communities in your area that promote tolerance.
For example: http://www.uua.org/

--Welcome open and civil discussion on religious and political matters with anyone who is willing to discuss such things with you. For example, if missionaries knock on your door, don't slam it in their faces. Instead, set a little time aside and converse with them. Such conversations can prove beneficial to all participants, and at the worst you're at least causing them to spend their time on you rather than someone they might actually manage to convert!

--Finally, be active in your community's political process! At the minimum, VOTE! If you are able to, volunteer in the campaigns of progressive candidates and in efforts to protest unjust legislation. Write to your governmental representatives, at all levels. The Religious Wrong's success is largely due to the zeal with which their members have dove into political matters. To counteract them, sensible people must act with similar dedication.

These are just a few thoughts on the matter. Do as you wish with them.


Quoted for an immense amount of Truth.

Snip.

Y'know, I wish I could react against you for the quip (assuming the quip was about the remark, which doesn't matter, as my behavior was precisely the one you rightfully quipped against) about my "ding dong" remark earlier in the thread... But... I can't. Because you were right and coherent. I can, however, accept the well-deserved quip, and say:

Quoted for truth.

Not much I can do from Brazil, I guess, but let's see what the site you linked to has to offer. :)

*Hands Rentsaria a cookie.*

Don't judge a book by it's title. My name isn't telling, I don't rejoice in the death of people who didn't do anything to deserve it.

"Deserve" is relative.

Well, actually, I take that back. "Deserve" is irrelevant. We all "deserve" to die, because that's how we're built. All human beings are going to die, because that's part of being human.

What most people speculate about is whether or not we "deserved" to live in the first place.


And no, being a homophobic asshole doesn't count. If death was the punishment for being an asshole we would all be dead.

Talk about projection.

Maybe YOU are an asshole, but plenty of people aren't.


I didn't like him, I just don't celebrate his death. He is still a humanbeing...asshole or not.
There are plenty of human beings who the world, or the majority of humanity at large, will be better off without. The fact that they are human does not change this. It is quite possible to note that fact without celebrating it.

As I said in my original post, I can't celebrate the deaths of such people because them being dead means they were once alive and the world had to put up with them.

if you wanted it kept civil, why mention it.

his death won't save the world, any more then his life did.

but it certainly won't be any worse off for his being gone.

=^^=
.../\...

So, has his corpse risen as a zombie yet?

Farewell to one of the most assinine, stupid, egotistical, self-righteous bigotted assholes to ever have far, far too much influence on the world around him!

The very idea that this man pretended to follow ANY teachings of peace is an affront to thinking people everywhere.

Good riddance to fat, greasy rubbish!

So, has his corpse risen as a zombie yet?

I don't think it has.

his corpse is too fat to climb out of the grave.

Not really. You see, early humans, like Bush, did rely heavily on instincts due to a lack of a well developed intellect. However, unlike Bush, they had instincts upon which to rely.

Ooooh...snap.

http://www.mitchclem.com/rockcity/index.php?comic=91

http://www.mitchclem.com/rockcity/index.php?comic=91

eh, I'd still rather have Falwell around than Phelps

eh, I'd still rather have Falwell around than Phelps

Peopled believed the crap Falwell said, but everybody knows Phelps is full of crap.

Peopled believed the crap Falwell said, but everybody knows Phelps is full of crap.

People believe the crap folks like Ann Coulter spew as well, but there's still worse people out there who do more damage.

Y'know, I wish I could react against you for the quip (assuming the quip was about the remark, which doesn't matter, as my behavior was precisely the one you rightfully quipped against) about my "ding dong" remark earlier in the thread... But... I can't. Because you were right and coherent. I can, however, accept the well-deserved quip, and say:

Quoted for truth.

Not much I can do from Brazil, I guess, but let's see what the site you linked to has to offer. :)

*Hands Rentsaria a cookie.*


*Accepts cookie*

Thanks! :)

I wasn't referring to your 'ding dong' comment. I actually didn't notice it. :confused: I was referring to the general attitudes expressed by many of the more progressive commentators in this thread. I include myself as one of the guilty parties. :(

My hope is that I've managed to trigger some positive action on the part of readers of this forum. While asking in this case may be somewhat hypocritical on my part, I am not asking anyone to do anything I have not done myself.
I am an actual member of a Unitarian Universalist congregation. I vote and have volunteered in democratic political campaigns in my community. Perhaps most importantly, I have welcomed missionaries into my home and discussed religion with them at length.

As for your perceived inability to do anything from Brazil, I respectfully disagree. Granted, there's little you can do about rabid fundamentalism in the United States. However, the US is not the only country fundamentalists call home. Anywhere you live, you can aid the cause of tolerance and justice. Speak with your neighbors, be active in your community. To encourage tolerance and justice, first be tolerant and just.

As this man sang: (http://www.mojoflix.com/Video/Faithless-Mass-Destruction.html)

"Inaction is a Weapon of Mass Destruction."

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Thanks! :)

I wasn't referring to your 'ding dong' comment. I actually didn't notice it. :confused: I was referring to the general attitudes expressed by many of the more progressive commentators in this thread. I include myself as one of the guilty parties. :(

My hope is that I've managed to trigger some positive action on the part of readers of this forum. While asking in this case may be somewhat hypocritical on my part, I am not asking anyone to do anything I have not done myself.
I am an actual member of a Unitarian Universalist congregation. I vote and have volunteered in democratic political campaigns in my community. Perhaps most importantly, I have welcomed missionaries into my home and discussed religion with them at length.

As for your perceived inability to do anything from Brazil, I respectfully disagree. Granted, there's little you can do about rabid fundamentalism in the United States. However, the US is not the only country fundamentalists call home. Anywhere you live, you can aid the cause of tolerance and justice. Speak with your neighbors, be active in your community. To encourage tolerance and justice, first be tolerant and just.

As this man sang: (http://www.mojoflix.com/Video/Faithless-Mass-Destruction.html)

"Inaction is a Weapon of Mass Destruction."

I've gotten interested in UU as a religion for a while, but we have no structure in Brazil. A religion that accepts occultists is a good religion for me. ;)

As for the issues of fundies in Brazil, I do try. ;)

Read the personal attacks and all out hateful remarks here, People like the nazz treated it as a crime. Get over yourself.

See, it's flippant horseshit like "get over yourself" that makes people laugh with derision at just about everything you post. You're the one pitching the shrieking fit here, not me.


Paranoia? Try legit disgust over the actions of the people here and others in the mainstream media. I have seen people here celebrate and elsewhere celebrate his death, I am disgusted by that and have every right to be! This forum maybe dominated by leftists but it is not for them alone, and people of different views have just as much right to post here as they do. I have a right to post my views and disagree with the other posts. The leftists here get just as pissed when somebody disagrees with them as I do, you and everybody else has no right to go on a tirade when someone gets angry over dishonest and personal attacks.


I and anyone have as much right to rant as you do. You've invalidated your own argument in the same paragraph you tried to make it in. Nicely done. Look, sonny, we're ALL disagreeing here. The difference is that you seem to claim some moral high ground just because someone that more than a few people knows about has died. Someone who espoused polarizing and divisive points of view and made no bones about offending masses of people with them. I agree that nobody should rejoice in another person's death, but being glad that, from their perspective, a poisonous voice that reached out and fully CONDMEND them is silenced? I'd say at least "relief" is acceptable.

The personal attacks would not happen if you'd avoid sweeping generalization and attacks of your own. Simple as that.


It was the fact that people here and in the media celebrate his death. I did not agree with him, but I will not celebrate his death as has been done here. You can disagree with him all you want, but attacking him hours after he dies is disgusting and tacky. People who do that deserve no respect.


Well, those people felt that Reverend Falwell deserved no respect. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean squat to them. Trying to enforce your personal sense of decency over others is one of the things people disliked Reverend Falwell for -- or can't you see that?


You seem clueless. Do a google search on left wing comments on his death and read the comments here. Being disgusted over people acting this way is not infantile, but disagreeing with the actions of others. I have seen more than enough attacks on him after his death from the media and posters here to know the far left is happy he is dead, this is not a generalization but a comment on an absolute fact. If you deny the hateful remarks it shows your true naive nature that you need to overcome.


See, "you seem clueless" is a veiled personal attack of your own. Deny it, as I'm sure you will, but there it is. How's about YOU do a Google search on RIGHT wing comments about the death of Paul Wellstone? Hell, I heard that shit on the radio. It doesn't excuse those who say they'd piss on Reverend Falwells' grave (that's going too far), but if you look enough, you can find internet blogs wishing for the death of just about anyone with a public face. Your argument here does not hold water.


Saddam killed and oppressed countless people and invaded 2 countries in the name of power, land and oil....It's flatout childish and stupid to put falwell into the same arena as him.


Look, YOU SAID that the death of ANY HUMAN BEING was not something to celebrate. Monster or not, Saddam was a human being. I'm NOT comparing him to Reverend Falwell (have you noticed that I've been using his title out of respect since my first post here?) -- that would indeed be ludicrous. But when you make a blanket statement about not rejoicing in the death of ANY human being, you open yourself up to that kind of argument, and you lose. Now, if you'd care to admit that some human deaths just might benefit mankind, such as that of Hussein or Idi Amin or Hitler or name your monster, then I'll be glad to let you off that hook. But so long as you stand by the notion that all human deaths are deserving of respectful mourning, YOU are equating Saddam and Reverend Falwell, not I, because they were both human beings.


Are you seriously comparing NS to White Supremacist forum? This forum is supposed to be for all people to post with some intelligence and civil nature, it is not however ok on any level to make blanket comments and personal attacks rather than a real point. This is what has happened here. People like the nazz rather than stay civil picked to attack and make rash blanket comments.

Good grief. Did I SAY that NS was like a White Supremacist site? No. You're using a typical Right strategy of taking an analogy completely out of context and reducing it to absurdity. I thought you were smarter than that. YES, this is a forum for everyone. MY point was that if I were to go to a site -- ANY SITE, you prancing literalist -- wherein the overwhelming majority of the memebership believed in things I steadfastly denied, I would not expect to be treated kindly when I posted refutations of their beliefs.

As you may have noticed, most people here didn't like what Reverend Falwell had to say. Some have gone too far in condemning the man, but most have stuck to the things he SAID and DID. You're so fixated on the man's minority-perceived sainthood that you're letting your sensitivities show. Guess what? Some people don't share your values when it comes to death in GENERAL, let alone the death of someone who, in some cases, spent his life wishing ill upon them because of their lifestyle. In their eyes, Reverend Falwell deserved no respect in life, so it's no leap to extend the same absence of consideration in death. To deny that perfectly natural bit of human nature is patently ridiculous, and the thing is, I think you know it.


It's paranoia but legit disgust over a celebration of a man deaths. I will continue to disagree with the left and their hateful remarks. I have seen them cheer over his death and all were from the left, I have every right to disagree with that and will continue to do so. But you and you lefty buddies do not have a right to attacking people who have disagreed with you, that is wrong and flatout tacky and a true sign of ignorance.


I'm a lefty? Did you read my other posts? You're welcome to disagree with anyone you see fit. But to immediately demand that they agree with you as part of your disagreement, and calling them ignorant if they don't, well, that's just childish. "You should be nice!" Uh...we should be however we'd like, thank you, and we'll also thank you to keep your own arguments civil instead of trying to paint only the things said in response to you as attacks as opposed to the things you're posting. You don't disgust me, you amuse me. Why else would I bother responding?

And please don't try to tell this forum that the Left has the market cornered on hateful remarks. Nature abhors that kind of factual vacuum, and I'd hate to see your head implode as a result -- there's been enough death already.


In short, go check what leftists are saying, stop being so naive and get of your high horse.

I've read the whole thread. Probably before you did. I've also heard the Right positively canonize the Reverend.

You think MY horse is high? You want -- and are DEMANDING -- that we ALL feel the same way about someone we despised in life just because he died. I'm wondering what you're doing without an oxygen mask, sonny.

if you wanted it kept civil, why mention it.

his death won't save the world, any more then his life did.

but it certainly won't be any worse off for his being gone.

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The civility bit was added by a mod--we've gotten a bit heated in this thread.

Falwell will be missed: he was crazy, he was funny, he pissed people off, and so in a very real way . . . he was my hero.
*wipes away a solitary tear*
At least, I'll always have his soundbites.

"Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them."

Yes.

Falwell will be missed: he was crazy, he was funny, he pissed people off, and so in a very real way . . . he was my hero.
*wipes away a solitary tear*
At least, I'll always have his soundbites.

"Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them."

Yes.

Oh balls, I'd forgotten about that one. Thanks, Fiddle, I needed a giggle.

I just don't know what to say about this:

Phelps' church to protest Falwell's funeral (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273313,00.html)

At last, the Telletubbies can live in peace!

At last, the Telletubbies can live in peace!

Are you kidding? They're the ones that killed him.

Are you kidding? They're the ones that killed him.

"IT'S THE BEATING OF THAT WRETCHED HEART!"
"Lala, you idiot. He doesn't have a heart."
"THEN WHAT'S THAT NOISE?"
"OH MY GOD! IT'S PO'S HEART! AND JE-THE ONE WE DO NOT SPEAK OF'S GRAVE IS EMPTY!!!"
"AAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!"


Or something like that.

I just don't know what to say about this:

Phelps' church to protest Falwell's funeral (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273313,00.html)

:confused:

Umm... Evil often turns on itself?

"WBC will preach at the memorial service of the corpulent false prophet Jerry Falwell, who spent his entire life prophesying lies and false doctrines like 'God loves everyone,'" reads a posting on Godhatesamerica.com.

"WBC will preach at the memorial service of the corpulent false prophet Jerry Falwell, who spent his entire life prophesying lies and false doctrines like 'God loves everyone,'" reads a posting on Godhatesamerica.com.

Let me rephrase my above statement:

No matter how horrible you might be (Falwell), there will always be someone worse than you. (Phelps & Co.)

Let me rephrase my above statement:

No matter how horrible you might be (Falwell), there will always be someone worse than you. (Phelps & Co.)

So... The fundie that claimed God hates certain people is being berated post-mortem by the fundies that claim God hates certain people because, according to these same fundies, he claimed God DOESN'T hate certain people.

We don't have much irony lying around anymore.

Plenty of hate to go 'round, though. :-\

Phelps is so out of line, you'd think he was a PARODY. Seriously: one of their signs says "God is your enemy"

WHAT THE FUCK.

Phelps is so out of line, you'd think he was a PARODY. Seriously: one of their signs says "God is your enemy"

WHAT THE FUCK.

They're Calvinists... Calvinists circa 1600 C.E. I should say!

Talk about Living Fossils! ;)

I bet all the liberal, God Hating scum are cheering right about now.

I actually did get up and do a little dance when I heard about it, to be honest.

You'd think the Westboro BatshitInsane Church's fifteen minutes of fame were up already.

I just don't know what to say about this:

Phelps' church to protest Falwell's funeral (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273313,00.html)

ROFL! :D

I was under the impression that Phelps and Falwell were buddies... along with Robertson...

To be honest I thought the Phelpsists were going to blame the gays for Falwell's death...

You'd think the Westboro BatshitInsane Church's fifteen minutes of fame were up already.

Not while Fox News is still covering them it isn't.

I didn't celebrate his death, but i won't lose any sleep over it either. I think the world is better off without his hatred, but i think it's sad that he had to die for that hatred to end.

Not while Fox News is still covering them it isn't.

And getting press coverage throughout a wide range of media

And getting press coverage throughout a wide range of media

Yeah... if people stopped covering him perhaps they would stop...

Or they would continue, but no one would care...

Yeah... if people stopped covering him perhaps they would stop...

Or they would continue, but no one would care...

The latter more than the former.

Son, if you can't do better than that, then perhaps NSG isn't where you should be posting. Jocabia has his bias, to be sure -- we all do -- but to come back to his considered and detailed posts with first "horseshit" and then the above post is really telling us far more about you than him.

PP, we've upped OUR level of discourse, up yours.

I find it laughable that people feel the need to respond to that kind of rubbish. Live and let die...as all must do, as the topic of this thread so aptly demonstrates.

I didn't celebrate his death, but i won't lose any sleep over it either. I think the world is better off without his hatred, but i think it's sad that he had to die for that hatred to end.

As we gather here to share our feelings on the legacy this man leaves, let us not celebrate his death, but rather let us mourn his life.

It is true that we will never again have to wonder what new vitriol he will come up with. Will next weeks grotesqueness manage to outstrip last's? Truly the relief from such a shadow will be a source of hope for many in the weeks to come, but he leaves much behind that will never leave us.

For decades this man has been poisoning our national discourse with impunity. He featured segregationists on his TV show in the 60's fanning the flames of racial violence.

He condemned Martin Luther King and the entire civil rights movement as "the civil wrongs movement," and then in the last presidential election attempted to prove his humanitarian bona fides by claiming to have marched with the man. Apparently in much the same way that Hitler fought "with" FDR.

He undermined every last shred of decency within the Republican party turning it into a theocratic party in the 80's, and finally driving the last nail into the coffin of its integrity by luring John McCain to embrace him publicly after rightfully denouncing him as an "agent of intolerance," but then dying before the photo-op could do him any good, in the best tradition of the Devil's Bargain.

He funded infomercials that accused president Clinton of being a serial killer and cocaine smuggler. Never a man to let something as pesky as the Bible keep him from bearing false witness against his neighbor.

Let us not forget that while the political left was calling for cooperation between Americans after 9/11, Falwell jumped at the opportunity to blame, not the shoddy security measures, the misprioritized law enforcement agenda, and the ideologically distracted leadership of the White House. No, he leapt to attack what he saw as America's most dangerous enemy. Pro-choice, non-Christian, Americans, or those who simply believed that women deserved equal rights.

Let us not cheer that the man who has fought for all this evil, and much more besides, has fought his last battle. Let us look with solemnity to the task of repairing all the damage he has done to our national psyche, and his fellow crusaders who fight on in his place.

-snip-

Well done eulogy.

People, TDS with John Stewart has already proven that Falwell and his kind misspeak. Perfect example: Hurricane prone gay areas. Hurricane Andrew missed Key West, only to slam into Miami, damaging an area with significant Christian demographics. And Katrina left the French Quarter well enough alone, instead ripping through and flooding much of the 9th Ward. As Jon Stewart and his buddies have proven, God doesn't hate the gays, He hates the gay-adjacent.