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I was insulting Sony, Nintendo had the largest launch line-up of all three systems, and pushed the most innovative gameplay

You mean... next-gen means innovative gameplay?!

I thought that it meant rehashed game engines with new graphics!

Aha. Observe.

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/91/news2/22479_5.jpg

Not particularly impressive, compared to, say, this.

http://www.gamecaptain.de/galleries/2585/63gr.jpg

In fact, not particularly impressive compared to most games out there today. So, why do you play such an ugly game? Could it possibly be because *gasp* it has good gameplay? :eek:

its not the 'badness' of the graphics, graphics don't matter to me, I jsut don't know how I feel about how the engine looks, it seems a little too... I don't know, not 'outdated' it was new once, and I didn't like it then, it is similar to me prefering the AOE II engine to say, Warcraft 3, or AoM (merely because I felt that it was a tad early for the full 3D, and it looked a little too blocky, though still 'better'), and I was asking about the gameplay... which MTW II has amazing gameplay BTW

You mean... next-gen means innovative gameplay?!

I thought that it meant rehashed game engines with new graphics!

That's what they want you to think

1)Japan is in love with Nintendo.
2)Paying 72,500 Yen for a console is BIT much.

I was insulting Sony, Nintendo had the largest launch line-up of all three systems, and pushed the most innovative gameplay, and is the cheapest by quite a percent

Oh, right, I forgot.... ?Dang it... thats ok, the Wii is only for little children anyway because the Gamecube.... (thats right, an entirely different console that is completely different is the sole reason that the Wii is for children-sadly, I have really REALLY heard that argument against the Wii)

hey, at least it keeps Jack Thompson happy... :rolleyes:

Except that I've got a GeForce 8800GTX. It looks fricken' great on my system.

Besides, different genres have different standards. A strategic game, where most of the action is being done by small polygons representing units, doesn't need state-of-the-art graphics (although, CoH made me think twice about that standard).
Eh, the Total War campaign map is still much prettier, and you can still see that even if you look at the screenshots on the Civ website which are naturally done on a hugely expensive computer to showcase the shininess. Besides, the landscape is more important to look nice than the units, since there's obviously a lot more of it, and Civ 4 isn't as pretty in that regard either. Even where the units aren't state of the art, if you can look at the screenshot, see that the whole game has visibly inferior graphics and still play it, there must be something going for it. Like gameplay. Anyway, you're saying that strategy games have poorer graphics, but you obviously still play them, and there is supposedly a reason.

You mean... next-gen means innovative gameplay?!

I thought that it meant rehashed game engines with new graphics!

Oh, right, I forgot.... ?Dang it... thats ok, the Wii is only for little children anyway because the Gamecube.... (thats right, an entirely different console that is completely different is the sole reason that the Wii is for children-sadly, I have really REALLY heard that argument against the Wii)

Not to mention you can play *almost every game that Nintendo has made, like the original Donkey Kong, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc., through one simple online feature...

Hmm... and the PS3 plays PS2 and 1 games. I see. I want to play FF7 or the original Tony Hawk's PS on my 50" HD tv to see how sucktastic those games look on an HD tv.

Not to mention you can play *almost every game that Nintendo has made, like the original Donkey Kong, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc., through one simple online feature...

Hmm... and the PS3 plays PS2 and 1 games. I see. I want to play FF7 or the original Tony Hawk's PS on my 50" HD tv to see how sucktastic those games look on an HD tv.

Like Mario 64 will look any better on HDTV?

Plain and Simple: Here are the strikes against the PS3:

1)Supports a resolution that hasn't even been established yet (1080p)
2)Supports a disc format that hasn't been established yet (Blu-Ray)
3)Uses a processor that is much harder to code for than a 360 or Wii
4)Doesn't even support things like WiFi in its base model, whereas the Wii and 360 do
5)Did not ship with the same plethora of games that the Wii or 360 did.
6)Features a controller with tech taken from the Wii... and only used as a gimmick.
7)Promotes graphics over gameplay, even though the graphics LOOK NO BETTER THAN A GOOD 360 GAME

Like Mario 64 will look any better on HDTV?

the Wii doesnt even support resolution above 480p (ie no High Def)...

only because most people dont have a HDTV yet... hmm... smart of nintendo to release a system compatible with tv sets that the majority of its users will have...

hey, at least it keeps Jack Thompson happy... :rolleyes:

Nothing can make that guy happy

Plain and Simple: Here are the strikes against the PS3:

1)Supports a resolution that hasn't even been established yet (1080p)
2)Supports a disc format that hasn't been established yet (Blu-Ray)
3)Uses a processor that is much harder to code for than a 360 or Wii
4)Doesn't even support things like WiFi in its base model, whereas the Wii and 360 do
5)Did not ship with the same plethora of games that the Wii or 360 did.
6)Features a controller with tech taken from the Wii... and only used as a gimmick.
7)Promotes graphics over gameplay, even though the graphics LOOK NO BETTER THAN A GOOD 360 GAME

1) Does 1080p look that much better than 720p anyway?
3) Meaning dev costs go up, game takes longer

Nothing can make that guy happy



1) Does 1080p look that much better than 720p anyway?
3) Meaning dev costs go up, game takes longer

1)
What appears to be a 1080p TV, may actually not be a 1080p TV
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/06/07/1080p_not_necessarily_1080p/

3) Dev costs AND time go up dramatically... we're talking months and hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary and coding here. Plus LOTS of coffee to keep these people awake to code for a ridiculous 6-7 core processor.

the Wii doesnt even support resolution above 480p (ie no High Def)...

only because most people dont have a HDTV yet... hmm... smart of nintendo to release a system compatible with tv sets that the majority of its users will have...

I'm fine with 480p.... I just don't know why they couldn't follow microsoft and make a composite/component cable. Instead of making me pay for it (which I haven't done yet).

From what I've heard it does look better running on a wii :-P

How is that even POSSIBLE? Unless they recreated it from scratch for the Wii.

Like Mario 64 will look any better on HDTV?

From what I've heard it does look better running on a wii :-P

I'm fine with 480p.... I just don't know why they couldn't follow microsoft and make a composite/component cable. Instead of making me pay for it (which I haven't done yet).

EEP! RCA!!

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?dest=9999999997&product_id=5516068&sourceid=0100000030660804502498

At least it isn't $25...

Welcome to the future people.

lol. The future of high def:

The Outdoors. It costs about $1900 less than a tv and actually gets you closer to real than any tv can.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I call an official end to this debate.

Unless I'm wrong, Potato Factory is from Australia, specifically the state of Victoria. A recent study conducted by NSW scientists proved that Victorians are the "wierd ones" when it comes to Aussie states (Note that it wasn't Tasmania as we don't consider Tasmania a real state :D ).

Seriously, I think it's time we called it quits. It's clear that PF is going to defend his ludicrous stance to the end. He is unable to realise that while PCs are indeed far more powerful and graphic intensive than consoles, this is by far not the most important aspect of "serious games' as it were. Heck, the PC game Starcraft is proof of that alone.


For that matter, the graphics of the Wii and other consoles aren't exactly shocking. Inferior perhaps, but You can easily make out what things are supposed to be.

The PS3: A beta-fixing nightmare!

ENJOY!

Damn Vics. I'm sick of them coming over here and insulting our city and it's water (which interestingly enough flows through their state first). And no, Tassie isn't a state.

We're going to crush you on Sunday.

3) Dev costs AND time go up dramatically... we're talking months and hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary and coding here. Plus LOTS of coffee to keep these people awake to code for a ridiculous 6-7 core processor.

Welcome to the future people.

Unless I'm wrong, Potato Factory is from Australia, specifically the state of Victoria. A recent study conducted by NSW scientists proved that Victorians are the "wierd ones" when it comes to Aussie states (Note that it wasn't Tasmania as we don't consider Tasmania a real state :D ).

Damn Vics. I'm sick of them coming over here and insulting our city and it's water (which interestingly enough flows through their state first). And no, Tassie isn't a state.

The next generation of Sony bullshit!:

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/watermark.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2006/08/ps3-controller.jpg

Damn Vics. I'm sick of them coming over here and insulting our city and it's water (which interestingly enough flows through their state first). And no, Tassie isn't a state.

I always thought the Aussie government should privatise Tasmania and sell it off to the highest bidder.

How is that even POSSIBLE? Unless they recreated it from scratch for the Wii.

Super Mario 64 is downloadable for the Wii's Virtual Console service.[27] This release adds compatibility with the Gamecube and Classic controllers, and enhances the display by rendering polygons at approximately 4x the Nintendo 64's native 320x240 resolution. This version is able to run in 480p on properly configured setups.

I don't quite understand it... but you might

lol. The future of high def:

The Outdoors. It costs about $1900 less than a tv and actually gets you closer to real than any tv can.

to quote Fry, "but this is HDTV... its got better resolution than real life!"

:D

The next generation of Sony bullshit!:

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/watermark.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2006/08/ps3-controller.jpg

If Sony were going to change their controller they probably would have done it by now.

NOTE: my replies will most likely drop in quality and speed from now, as I have been kicked off the computer for at least two to three hours, and have switched to Wii☆Net. It's not the greatest thing in the world for high-speed debate.

If Sony were goin to change their controller they probably would have done it by now.

NOTE: my replies will most likely drop in quality and speed from now, as I have been kicked off the computer for at least two to three hours, and have switched to Wii☆Net. It's not the greatest thing in the world for high-speed debate.

still, thats a lot of buttons... lol.

I really love how Sony takes an old Dual Shock controller from the PS2 era, slaps a few motion sensors (A LA NINTENDO, folks) into the body of it, ships it out with the PS3, and calls it "new." And then has the gusto to deny that the new controller had anything to do with the Wii.

Oh, and then slaps down the $600 price tag. As if the "where have i seen this before" factor didn't give us a kick in the nads.

at least microsoft aren't claiming the xbox360 controller is anything particularly special. i mean, it just does what it does well.

reading this thread is fun :P

reading this thread is fun :P

I have way too much time on my hands, at least half of the last two pages are mine... and my 1000th is probably going to end up here too

There aren't enough PC gamers to beat down :)

There aren't enough PC gamers to beat down :)

It's not the fact that he's a PC gamer, he's a PC fanby.

I love playing Civ 4 on my PC, Fable on my X-Box, Final Fantasy 12 on my dad's Playstation 2 and I'm sure I'll love the Wii as soon as I get it (I drooled when I say the SSBB trailer). They're all equally fun.

Unfortunately, Potato Factory is too blinded by his fanboyism to see that it's okay to like multiple systems and that powerful hardware doesn't even come close to making a good game.

I am so unsure how to interpret this...

When was the last time you saw a good Wii game that was rated M?

Wii: Nothing new here really.
360: Great games, decent cost.
PS3: PS2 is still better.

When was the last time you saw a good Wii game that was rated M?

Wii: Nothing new here really.
360: Great games, decent cost.
PS3: PS2 is still better.


Twilight Princess if you want to get into the pedantics of our rating system (our M is the approximate equivilant of the American T). The system has only been out for 2 months, cut it some slack. Also why the hell does having many M ratings matter anyway?

This thread amused me. Please continue in your silliness.

Twilight Princess if you want to get into the pedantics of our rating system (our M is the approximate equivilant of the American T). The system has only been out for 2 months, cut it some slack. Also why the hell does having many M ratings matter anyway?

I'm sorry if the gaming audience of the Wii consist of potheads and 8 year olds. Although playing the Wii high has to be the most amazingly fun thing you can do at a party aside from making the fat kid play Guiter Hero II then watch him get pissed and throw the guiter while I head into the back to have some rated M fun with the girl he's had a crush on for his entire life...I sense I've gone too far...

M games matter because at one point I'm going to want to curb stomp someone (Gears of War anyone?). Zelda, while fun, doesn't sate my lust for gore and violence.

You're trying to debate using a game that hasn't changed in the last 15 years?

Windwaker, Majora's Mask, Minnish Cap, four Swords?

Its changed a lot from running through the geometrically uniform lost forest with a strangely phallic looking wooden-sword.

Windwaker, Majora's Mask, Minnish Cap, four Swords?

Its changed a lot from running through the geometrically uniform lost forest with a strangely phallic looking wooden-sword.

I like the old school Zelda games much better actually. The new ones just don't feel right for some reason.

I like the old school Zelda games much better actually. The new ones just don't feel right for some reason.

I've played the old school ones but they were before my time. What really drew me into the Zelda world was Ocarina of Time.

I've played the old school ones but they were before my time. What really drew me into the Zelda world was Ocarina of Time.

That was good too, but Majora's Mask and the Minnish Cap seemed like pool hershies in my opinion. I'll give Ninentendo credit on this new one because Link turns into a wolf. How creative.

New school Zelda games only remind me that I'm playing as a little elven boy and I immediately vomit in five directions. When it was overhead you couldn't tell.

Eh. The Wii was a cool idea, but it's too hard to get used to (and I'm a graphics whore). And I've never been a huge fan of the Zelda series. To much thinking, not enough explosions. PS3 pwns both systems, in my *cough* humble opinion. Controller is motion sensitive enough to be useable in the games, it has wireless connectifity, kickass HD (especially with my projector), and some pretty amazing games on the way, as well as a few already out.

It's not the fact that he's a PC gamer, he's a PC fanby.

I love playing Civ 4 on my PC, Fable on my X-Box, Final Fantasy 12 on my dad's Playstation 2 and I'm sure I'll love the Wii as soon as I get it (I drooled when I say the SSBB trailer). They're all equally fun.

Unfortunately, Potato Factory is too blinded by his fanboyism to see that it's okay to like multiple systems and that powerful hardware doesn't even come close to making a good game.

Final Fantasy XII is absolutely brilliant. The writing is great, the story is quite possibly the best of any Final Fantasy, the characters are all equally good (Balthier for the win, obviously), and the music is outstanding. I shouldn't even need to mention the graphics and cinematic sequences. A simple "HOLY SHIT!" does fine.

On top of that, it's entirely possible to exceed sixty hours on your very first time playing through it. And that's saying something about the quality of this game, and just how much it really has to offer.

I'm sorry if the gaming audience of the Wii consist of potheads and 8 year olds. Although playing the Wii high has to be the most amazingly fun thing you can do at a party aside from making the fat kid play Guiter Hero II then watch him get pissed and throw the guiter while I head into the back to have some rated M fun with the girl he's had a crush on for his entire life...I sense I've gone too far...

M games matter because at one point I'm going to want to curb stomp someone (Gears of War anyone?). Zelda, while fun, doesn't sate my lust for gore and violence.

There's more adult games on the way, and for the moment there's Red Steel which is quite good. Can you curb stomp with a samurai sword?

That was good too, but Majora's Mask and the Minnish Cap seemed like pool hershies in my opinion. I'll give Ninentendo credit on this new one because Link turns into a wolf. How creative.
Majora's Mask was great, Minnish Cap was pretty lame. I actually like the wolf thing, but whats I'm really looking forward to is cavalry fighting, fishing, and just the whole game in general.

New school Zelda games only remind me that I'm playing as a little elven boy and I immediately vomit in five directions. When it was overhead you couldn't tell.

Who cares?

I did; the XBox 360. It's the only next-gen console thats ACTUALLY a console.

XBox 360 isn't a console - It's a PC in different clothes.

Console gaming isn't supposed to be the same as PC gaming: Wii is the only 'next-gen' console which encourages social & physical activity during gaming instead of yet-another-over-the-network FPS. Who remembers the good ol' nes games which practically craved for 2 players at the same time? I still prefer NES Baseball (Stars 2000?) over Doom XIV as a party game...Of course, PC has those games too, they're not as abundant though - Micro Machines 2, Star Control 2, Liero, Worms (2D versions), etc...The sad fact is that PC doesn't have many, if any, modern mainstream games of such variety. :(

Or in other terms: XBox 360 is just an upgrade of XBox with similar games as the previous "console" only with updated graphics - Doom clones, racing games... These games have been around for decades on the PC platform. Why buy a single use console when you can buy a multiuse computer instead which offers superior gaming experience thanks to the mouse and keyboard (and variety of games available from across 2 decades of software history and on the internet)?

Majora's Mask was great, Minnish Cap was pretty lame. I actually like the wolf thing, but whats I'm really looking forward to is cavalry fighting, fishing, and just the whole game in general.

Basically it's the same but this time you can turn into a wolf and fight on a horse. Whatever works I guess.

Red Steel is terrible, and no you cannot curb stomp with a sword, nor can you attach a chainsaw to one :(


Who cares?

Hard to get behind a main when they're a little prissy. Just my opinion.


These games have been around for decades on the PC platform. Why buy a single use console when you can buy a multiuse computer instead which offers superior gaming experience thanks to the mouse and keyboard (and variety of games available from across 2 decades of software history and on the internet)?

A mouse superior to a controller? You sir have some strange preferences.

Your arguement confuses me. You're saying the computer is the same as a 360, but the computer has better games?

Your bashing the 360 for having 'cloned' games. Unless I'm mistaken wasn't Donkey Kong and Mario created the same year as the printing press?

Eh. The Wii was a cool idea, but it's too hard to get used to (and I'm a graphics whore). And I've never been a huge fan of the Zelda series. To much thinking, not enough explosions. PS3 pwns both systems, in my *cough* humble opinion. Controller is motion sensitive enough to be useable in the games, it has wireless connectifity, kickass HD (especially with my projector), and some pretty amazing games on the way, as well as a few already out.

1) No, you have to shell out an extra $100 over the base price to get WiFi.
2) No, the wireless controller isn't good enough to be used in games, because its really a novel idea that Sony tacked on to it to make the PS3 look considerably more technologically advanced... to date, we still have pathetic uses (a la hiking the ball in Madden 07) that make it really gimmicky. Besides, its "six axis" and doesnt have the full range of motions that the Wiimote does.
3) No, the graphics on PS3 games now are similar to the graphics on the 360

Why is it that PS3 fanboys ignore every basic problem with their system and just say that their graphics are "superior" when they really aren't?

Name me one game where the graphics alone saved the game's stupid gameplay...

Basically it's the same but this time you can turn into a wolf and fight on a horse. Whatever works I guess.

Red Steel is terrible, and no you cannot curb stomp with a sword, nor can you attach a chainsaw to one :(


Whats wrong with Red Steel?

Whats wrong with Red Steel?

The sword fighting is BROKEN, for one

Whats wrong with Red Steel?

You don't have a chainsaw at the end of your gun :(

You don't have a chainsaw at the end of your gun :(

yeah, but then you end up with things like this:
http://www.indiancowboy.net/blog/wp-content/pkpsleevebarrelworksgoodshot.JPG

... ish.

yeah, but then you end up with things like this:
http://www.indiancowboy.net/blog/wp-content/pkpsleevebarrelworksgoodshot.JPG

... ish.

A gunblade? I couldn't really tell.

I don't even waste my time arguing for the PS3 when the PS2 is still so much better.

A gunblade? I couldn't really tell.

I don't even waste my time arguing for the PS3 when the PS2 is still so much better.

A PS3 is essentially a PS2 with the same controller (only with a tilt function?! ftw!) and a larger hard drive and processor (7 core).

That said, dev. times take way longer because of the extraneous and redundant coding that has to go into each PS3 game, where the coding for PS2 games would take a lot less time because the system is already established.

Maybe they should have released a Blu-Ray attachment for the PS2, like the hard drive, a la Sega CD? :p

A gunblade? I couldn't really tell.

I don't even waste my time arguing for the PS3 when the PS2 is still so much better.

You can waste time on the internet?

Eh. The Wii was a cool idea, but it's too hard to get used to (and I'm a graphics whore). And I've never been a huge fan of the Zelda series. To much thinking, not enough explosions. PS3 pwns both systems, in my *cough* humble opinion. Controller is motion sensitive enough to be useable in the games, it has wireless connectifity, kickass HD (especially with my projector), and some pretty amazing games on the way, as well as a few already out.
I've thought about it carefully and have finally decided...I hate you.
<snip>
Why is it that PS3 fanboys ignore every basic problem with their system and just say that their graphics are "superior" when they really aren't?

<snip>

I've also thought about it and have come to the final conclusion that haters are wayyyyy more irritating than fanboys.


EDIT: No, I didn't notice that I just did that to myself. Point and laugh at your pleasure...

Maybe they should have released a Blu-Ray attachment for the PS2, like the hard drive, a la Sega CD? :p

Maybe they'll make games for it unlike the sega cd.

I got so bored of Echo the Dolphin that I put a piece of cheese into the cd drive and turned it on. CDs were fairly new to me so I found this quiet enthralling. :D

The sword fighting is BROKEN, for one

I heard the controls were a bit clunky, but is it really horrible?

(I got it for Christmas.)

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/01/25/nintendo.ap/index.html

I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

I prefere the PC for serious games.

I missed it when consoles were purely about gameplay/fun and not all about amazing graphics and simulation. Thank god the Wii has helped step back in gamings nostalgic roots.

I've thought about it carefully and have finally decided...I hate you.


I've also thought about it and have come to the final conclusion that haters are wayyyyy more irritating than fanboys.


EDIT: No, I didn't notice that I just did that to myself. Point and laugh at your pleasure...

*ahem*

Bwahahaahaaa!!

;)

I find this relevant to the issues of the thread.

Saints Row Musical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_YN-yRCVY)

Gotta love flawless programming.

It makes me sad to see so many people getting so angry on this topic. There are more than enough wonderful games and game systems to keep you busy playing until your eyes begin to bleed...why waste time hating? Let's all just get drunk and play MarioKart together.

It makes me sad to see so many people getting so angry on this topic. There are more than enough wonderful games and game systems to keep you busy playing until your eyes begin to bleed...why waste time hating? Let's all just get drunk and play MarioKart together.

It's not that we don't all enjoy getting hammered and playing video games until we end up fighting each other. It's which ones are better to do it with.

Personally nothing beats Guitar Hero for drunken fun.

It makes me sad to see so many people getting so angry on this topic. There are more than enough wonderful games and game systems to keep you busy playing until your eyes begin to bleed...why waste time hating? Let's all just get drunk and play MarioKart together.

Mario Kart!!! WHat the fuck is wrong with you!!! Don't you realise how......;)

It makes me sad to see so many people getting so angry on this topic. There are more than enough wonderful games and game systems to keep you busy playing until your eyes begin to bleed...why waste time hating? Let's all just get drunk and play MarioKart together.

Speaking from experience, Rainbow Road on MarioKart is so much fun when you're stoned.

It makes me sad to see so many people getting so angry on this topic. There are more than enough wonderful games and game systems to keep you busy playing until your eyes begin to bleed...why waste time hating? Let's all just get drunk and play MarioKart together.

Seconded. Mariokart 64 will be one of the first games I get on my Wii through that download thing.

Also why the hell does having many M ratings matter anyway?

because everyone knows that bmx xxx is an infinitely better game than, say, hungry hungry hippos. obviously.


wait, do they still sell hungry hungry hippos? 'cause you can't tell me that wouldn't make for an excellent drunk party game.

Let's all just get drunk and play MarioKart together.


http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_fast_and_the_furious.jpg (http://xkcd.com/c127.html)

It makes me sad to see so many people getting so angry on this topic. There are more than enough wonderful games and game systems to keep you busy playing until your eyes begin to bleed...why waste time hating? Let's all just get drunk and play MarioKart together.
I'm in!
Speaking from experience, Rainbow Road on MarioKart is so much fun when you're stoned.

You can take my turn on that track. I keep falling off takes half my high just to get through the race.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_fast_and_the_furious.jpg (http://xkcd.com/c127.html)

teh winner of teh thread!!!!

It makes me sad to see so many people getting so angry on this topic. There are more than enough wonderful games and game systems to keep you busy playing until your eyes begin to bleed...why waste time hating? Let's all just get drunk and play MarioKart together.

Hmm, I think a drunken bout of Super Smash Brothers would be more interesting. :p

Hmm, I think a drunken bout of Super Smash Brothers would be more interesting. :p

Drunken fighting games quickly turn into real fighting bouts.

"Fox is so F$#%ing cheap pick someone else!"
"No way man."
"Stop being gay!"
"Fine."
*Cpt Falcon*
"Oh you would you fag."
"What?"
*Falcon punches the other kid out of three story window*

You guys are STILL arguing? Like I said before...

Umm, why are you guys even still in this pissing match?

While most of us realize that graphics aren't the end-all and be-all of games - after all, games are meant to simply have fun, enjoy yourself, rather it be computer, console, board, roleplay, text, or anything else - he simply wants to have a pissing match... and that's exactly what you're giving him. Stop giving him attention and he'll go away soon enough, and tomorrow realize he made himself look like a fool in a pissing match online that really doesn't matter except to people who have no life outside of the PC and console games.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_fast_and_the_furious.jpg (http://xkcd.com/c127.html)

Oh very very very good!

It makes me sad to see so many people getting so angry on this topic. There are more than enough wonderful games and game systems to keep you busy playing until your eyes begin to bleed...why waste time hating? Let's all just get drunk and play MarioKart together.

I concur. I was always teh suck at MarioKart, so alcohol will only make me better.


Hey, it worked with SoulCaliber.

I heard the controls were a bit clunky, but is it really horrible?

(I got it for Christmas.)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12256702&postcount=308
I'm still waiting for an answer....

I concur. I was always teh suck at MarioKart, so alcohol will only make me better.


Hey, it worked with SoulCaliber.

A chimp could pwn on SoulCaliber.

A chimp could pwn on SoulCaliber.

Yes, but alcohol increased the pwnage. And jumping around with Talim is so much more fun after a 6-pack.

We should get a chimp drunk, win tournaments, make millions


MILLIONS!
I heartily endorse this product or service.



I imagine Yoshimtsu would provide hours of entertainment.

Given sufficient quantities of alcohol.

Yes, but alcohol increased the pwnage.
We should get a chimp drunk, win tournaments, make millions.


MILLIONS!

And jumping around with Talim is so much more fun after a 6-pack.

I imagine Yoshimtsu would provide hours of entertainment.

people like it cuz its fun. The average person does give a shit about serious gaming. Real Life doesnt allow for a very long gaming experience.

and for the record; Im not getting any of those consoles....
thats what friends are for! :p

serious gaming

what exactly is 'serious gaming'?

what exactly is 'serious gaming'?

A serious gamer would be the evil guy from the WoW southpark episode. <_<

A serious gamer would be the evil guy from the WoW southpark episode. <_<arrrggghhh

there was a WoW southpark episode. ?
and I missed it ????

BTW there is a utube of

WoW allyourbase
and WoW "I am too sexy"

I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console?

what makes it not a console?

what exactly is 'serious gaming'?

Spending thousands of dollars upgrading your computer in order to perfectly simulate real life.

Apparently.

Majora's Mask was great, Minnish Cap was pretty lame. I actually like the wolf thing, but whats I'm really looking forward to is cavalry fighting, fishing, and just the whole game in general.

Running things down with Epona (or whatever blasphemous name you've called your horse :D) is really really fun. As is riding, pulling out a bomb, throwing it into a group of enemies and dashing to just get away from the explosion.

The sword fighting is BROKEN, for one

So is the turning I hear. That was really every single nail in its coffin as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe they should have released a Blu-Ray attachment for the PS2, like the hard drive, a la Sega CD? :p

It would experience the same problem as having the Wii as a Gamecube peripheral. No one buys peripheral. No one makes games for them. And your entry into the 7th generation war would be a periphiral which makes you a complete joke.

Hmm, I think a drunken bout of Super Smash Brothers would be more interesting. :p

Seen it. Same result as my two friends usually get. But it took longer and they remember less.

On top of that, it's entirely possible to exceed sixty hours on your very first time playing through it. And that's saying something about the quality of this game, and just how much it really has to offer.

Only 60? I pulled 120 on FF7.

You guys are STILL arguing? Like I said before...

You're just sore because I can produce this:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5445/screenshot2hq6.png

And that's with the graphics kicked DOWN a notch.

Ah, we should just give in...
http://www.sweetcraving.com/images/baby%20bottle.jpg

There. Poor baby, people are responding to game play as the primary part of the experience and not on whose graphics are slightly better or what some series of stats related to the innards are better. They're simply going, "Hey, this little fucker is fun and engaging. I guess I can stop masturbating over a bunch of numbers and actually play a game."

I'm sorry the world is so cruel. Drink your bottle.

I still haven't received a reply to my Civilization 4 points. Oh, that's right, it doesn't count, because it's not on a console.

You're just sore because I can produce this:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5445/screenshot2hq6.png

And that's with the graphics kicked DOWN a notch.
So what? It looks like a painting, not real life, and Morrowind was better.
I still haven't received a reply to my Civilization 4 points. Oh, that's right, it doesn't count, because it's not on a console.
:(
I thought they were good. I just didn't have anything to add.

So what? It looks like a painting, not real life, and Morrowind was better.

The grass sure as hell looks real. And there's no way Morrowind was better than Oblivion. Worst. Magic. Ever.

This degenerated into a stupid fanboyish argument. Just like every other gaming thread. Here's some pictures of space marines for no reason.

http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/halo2bios/01mc.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/bd/180px-MP2E_art_19.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/Gow-cogs.jpg

I still haven't received a reply to my Civilization 4 points. Oh, that's right, it doesn't count, because it's not on a console.

Exactly. I'm for good gameplay, but if console gamers think they're so great because of their motion-sensing plastic penises, I'm just going to have to point out that we PC gamers have the horsepower.

hey pf, text-based games - gaming or not?

hey pf, text-based games - gaming or not?

Not really. It's more like a Choose-Your-Adventure book.

So what? It looks like a painting, not real life, and Morrowind was better.

:(
I thought they were good. I just didn't have anything to add.
It was directed at TPF, but thanks. Figures that the only time anyone compliments me on my points in an NSG debate is on one about video games. :p

The grass sure as hell looks real. And there's no way Morrowind was better than Oblivion. Worst. Magic. Ever.
Where do you live? Grass does not look like that. It tends to actually have things in it, rather than be just green tufts of grass.
Exactly. I'm for good gameplay, but if console gamers think they're so great because of their motion-sensing plastic penises, I'm just going to have to point out that we PC gamers have the horsepower.
You do realise you have been saying for pretty much the whole thread that you don't care about Wii gameplay and that graphics are the most important thing in the gaming world?

Not really. It's more like a Choose-Your-Adventure book.

so what the fuck are you doing here?

Not really. It's more like a Choose-Your-Adventure book.

Choose-your-own-adventure book. Gaming or not?

EDIT: Wooo 1000!

Where do you live? Grass does not look like that. It tends to actually have things in it, rather than be just green tufts of grass.

Says the guy who's favourite console produces THIS:

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/737/737689/call-of-duty-3-20061006114013302.jpg

You do realise you have been saying for pretty much the whole thread that you don't care about Wii gameplay and that graphics are the most important thing in the gaming world?

Emphasize the "Wii gameplay" part. I have no problem with gameplay, but console gamers think they're so great because they can swing their dicks around.

Choose-your-own-adventure book. Gaming or not?

EDIT: Wooo 1000!

...

No. That's READING.

so what the fuck are you doing here?

I don't actually PLAY NationStates.

Says the guy who's favourite console produces THIS:

<snip>



Emphasize the "Wii gameplay" part. I have no problem with gameplay, but console gamers think they're so great because they can swing their dicks around.

My favourite console is the 360.

http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/717/717847/call-of-duty-3-screenshots-20060711000726205.jpg

That's more realistic grass than yours. At least it doesn't grow in weird little clumps. But anyway, you paid five-ten times as much as a Wii for your... slightly prettier grass. I don't even LIKE the Wii that much. I've never been a Nintendo fan, and the line up seems to be mostly sports games which I've never been a fan of either. But it still does look fun to play, and it's certainly good value.

My favourite console is the 360.

http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/ve3d/image/article/717/717847/call-of-duty-3-screenshots-20060711000726205.jpg

You call that detail? THIS is detail:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2010/screenshot0ov1.png

Says the guy who's favourite console produces THIS:

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/737/737689/call-of-duty-3-20061006114013302.jpg



Emphasize the "Wii gameplay" part. I have no problem with gameplay, but console gamers think they're so great because they can swing their dicks around.

At least we're doing something fun with them. As opposed to sitting there measuring them and drooling over them all day.

You call that detail? THIS is detail:

Looks like a blurry pixelated texture to me

You call that detail? THIS is detail:

Looks blurry and pixelated as hell to me.

Says the guy who's favourite console produces THIS:

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/737/737689/call-of-duty-3-20061006114013302.jpg



Emphasize the "Wii gameplay" part. I have no problem with gameplay, but console gamers think they're so great because they can swing their dicks around.
You know, 'flexing' about graphics (you know, like telling people they're jealous of your grass) seems a lot more like dick swinging than someone saying that they have fun using Wii controllers...just sayin'...

I have to say, not once in my entire experience of gaming, have I ever ever ever thought, "You know what would make this game better? If the grass looked slightly more realistic..."

Not once.

Maybe I'm a nut...

Looks blurry and pixelated as hell to me.

That's because it's right up front. Look at the ones in the back.

Emphasize the "Wii gameplay" part. I have no problem with gameplay, but console gamers think they're so great because they can swing their dicks around.

Nice strawman, I like the wii because its fun and has many game series that I like, I don't think I'm better than anyone else and if I did it wouldn't be because of the game system I buy :rolleyes: . Your the one going on about how your Jesus Christ incarnate because your grass is so detailed.

Nice strawman, I like the wii because its fun and has many game series that I like, I don't think I'm better than anyone else and if I did it wouldn't be because of the game system I buy :rolleyes: . Your the one going on about how your Jesus Christ incarnate because your grass is so detailed.

I'm only doing that because you console gamers STARTED IT.

I don't actually PLAY NationStates.

but you must have at one point

but you must have at one point

For about 15 minutes.

I'm only doing that because you console gamers STARTED IT.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12251077&postcount=1

You were saying?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12251077&postcount=1

You were saying?

So? You started it overall.

For about 15 minutes.

so you were confused about what it was, and particularly slow to figure it out?

So? You started it overall.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12251077&postcount=1

No, you started this thread to bash the Wii and assert the superiority of PCs.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1856/1cl1.jpg

You know, 'flexing' about graphics (you know, like telling people they're jealous of your grass) seems a lot more like dick swinging than someone saying that they have fun using Wii controllers...just sayin'...

I have to say, not once in my entire experience of gaming, have I ever ever ever thought, "You know what would make this game better? If the grass looked slightly more realistic..."

Not once.

Maybe I'm a nut...
Guess it depends on the kind of grass you're talking about. ;)

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1856/1cl1.jpg

Excuse me, wtf does that have to do with this thread?

Because people would rather play console games on PC than on the console.

Nope. Not at all.

Most popular emulators are NES/SNES, from what I have seen, and they are popularily emulated for a few reasons:

Golden Age of Gaming. Nostalgia from here.
Great, simple games. Simple+Well made game=Fun.
More readily available these days than the cartridges. Availability is important.
The Big One: Due to technical limitations, the saving devices in the cartridges were powered by a small battery. Once that battery dies, you can no longer save a game, ever. Before you AHA! against consoles, just look back at how powerful computers were in that day and age.

So? You started it overall.

Huh... that's strange. Because, ya know, every argument I have ever had involving Consoles vs. PC's was when a PC nerd would come up and start bashing the consoles we were talking about.

But hey, that's my experience...

Guess it depends on the kind of grass you're talking about. ;)
Well that is certainly true...:D
Excuse me, wtf does that have to do with this thread?

That this thread is a stretch?

Huh... that's strange. Because, ya know, every argument I have ever had involving Consoles vs. PC's was when a PC nerd would come up and start bashing the consoles we were talking about.

But hey, that's my experience...
Mine, too. I don't like the PC games because of all the extra crap I have to do to get to my gaming experience, but I never hated on those who play them. In my experience that pleasure has been reserved for the PC gamers.

Mine, too. I don't like the PC games because of all the extra crap I have to do to get to my gaming experience, but I never hated on those who play them. In my experience that pleasure has been reserved for the PC gamers.

I play PC games as well as console, PC primarily for online gaming, console usually for when I'm playing with friends.

I play PC games as well as console, PC primarily for online gaming, console usually for when I'm playing with friends.

I don't have and can't afford a gaming PC. Case and point.

Mine, too. I don't like the PC games because of all the extra crap I have to do to get to my gaming experience, but I never hated on those who play them. In my experience that pleasure has been reserved for the PC gamers.

I like PC games. However, the problem is, I don't have the money to upgrade every year to still be able to play the games(Not to mention that computer problems tend to bugger around me, and the strangest things happen that destroy them).

Hell, my X-box lasted me 5 years before crapping out(R.I.P.), and it's only going to cost me a hundred or so to get a new one(Unless I get a 360, only thing is some of my favorite games are not yet emulated on it; and I just may get a Wii). You have to upgrade your computer continually, which gets quite pricey for thus of us not lucky enough to have a high paying easy job, however a console lasts several years without being outdated(By this, I mean games still work-TPF, don't argue this because I don't mean lesser quality, I mean obsolete as far as products made for it-which is a constant problem with PCs).

So, Give me consoles. I can afford to drop $300 or so bucks every half dozen years. I can't afford $1000 every year.

I like PC games. However, the problem is, I don't have the money to upgrade every year to still be able to play the games(Not to mention that computer problems tend to bugger around me, and the strangest things happen that destroy them).

Hell, my X-box lasted me 5 years before crapping out(R.I.P.), and it's only going to cost me a hundred or so to get a new one(Unless I get a 360, only thing is some of my favorite games are not yet emulated on it; and I just may get a Wii). You have to upgrade your computer continually, which gets quite pricey for thus of us not lucky enough to have a high paying easy job, however a console lasts several years without being outdated(By this, I mean games still work-TPF, don't argue this because I don't mean lesser quality, I mean obsolete as far as products made for it-which is a constant problem with PCs).

So, Give me consoles. I can afford to drop $300 or so bucks every half dozen years. I can't afford $1000 every year.

Funny, I've had the same comp since 2002 and can play Half-Life 2 and BF2 on it, without upgrading it....

I like PC games. However, the problem is, I don't have the money to upgrade every year to still be able to play the games(Not to mention that computer problems tend to bugger around me, and the strangest things happen that destroy them).

Hell, my X-box lasted me 5 years before crapping out(R.I.P.), and it's only going to cost me a hundred or so to get a new one(Unless I get a 360, only thing is some of my favorite games are not yet emulated on it; and I just may get a Wii). You have to upgrade your computer continually, which gets quite pricey for thus of us not lucky enough to have a high paying easy job, however a console lasts several years without being outdated(By this, I mean games still work-TPF, don't argue this because I don't mean lesser quality, I mean obsolete as far as products made for it-which is a constant problem with PCs).

So, Give me consoles. I can afford to drop $300 or so bucks every half dozen years. I can't afford $1000 every year.
That's a MASSIVE part of the 'extra crap' I was talking about. To see if a computer game works with what I got I got to read a long tiny print list of gobldigook and then hope everything connects properly etc.

And as you said, next year none of that stuff will work with the new games.

To see if a game will work with my PS 2 I look for the black bar on the top of the box. If it says "Playstation 2," I'm in. Easy peasy.

If people dig PC games, gravy. But like you said, I don't make that kind of scratch and when I want to play a game I just want to sit down and play a game.

I'm only doing that because you console gamers STARTED IT.

Funny, I seem to remember a certain PC fanboy starting a thread to bash the Wii. Then, when replies almost unanimously pointed out that the Wii was doing well because people were having a good time playing with it, you chucked a tantrum about how games were supposed to be art for some reason.

Now it's gotten to the point where you have suggested PC gaming is better because the grass look greener.

Seriously, how much thinner can the ice you're standing on get?

Says the guy who's favourite console produces THIS:

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/737/737689/call-of-duty-3-20061006114013302.jpg

Except I'm fairly certain he doesn't jerk off to semi-realistic graphics.



Emphasize the "Wii gameplay" part. I have no problem with gameplay, but console gamers think they're so great because they can swing their dicks around.

NO, NO, NO :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

If you would listen, you would see that people are enjoying the games because they're fun. IT doesn't matter if that fun requires a keyboard, a joystick, a wiimote or a rabid monkey of some kind. The fact is, the games it prodices are fun and offer a new experience.

Ah screw this, I'm getting way too angry over a non-issue. This thread has just about reached critical mass anyway, couldwe start with the cat pictures now?

This thread’s longevity is further proof against the existence of a loving God.

Funny, I've had the same comp since 2002 and can play Half-Life 2 and BF2 on it, without upgrading it....

Odd. Mine is two and a half years old and I can't even get Rise of Legends to bloody run. It would likely die if I tried HL-2 or BF2 on it(Or Oblivion-currently the big draw towards 360 for me).

Still, with a system that lasts 5 or so years before becoming "obsolete" in terms of being able to play new games, it's a bit longer than the PC hardware usually lasts.

This thread’s longevity is further proof against the existence of a loving God.
Do you remember the Israel-Nazis thread? :(
Ah screw this, I'm getting way too angry over a non-issue. This thread has just about reached critical mass anyway, couldwe start with the cat pictures now?
Can do.

http://memepedia.info/images/1/1e/Cattank.jpg

Listen, if you don't appreciate PCs, don't use them. That's all I'm saying.

If you would listen, you would see that people are enjoying the games because they're fun. IT doesn't matter if that fun requires a keyboard, a joystick, a wiimote or a rabid monkey of some kind. The fact is, the games it prodices are fun and offer a new experience.
I totally want to play that game.

Ah screw this, I'm getting way too angry over a non-issue. This thread has just about reached critical mass anyway, couldwe start with the cat pictures now?

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/c5/Hugsmofo.jpg

Anyway, has anybody played Company of Heroes? It's fucking HARD to destroy armour in that game >_>

Anyway, has anybody played Company of Heroes? It's fucking HARD to destroy armour in that game >_>


Isn't that the RTS with proper scale where infantry cannot destroy tanks, ships and buildings by firing bullets at them? That's new. That's different. RTSs should have been doing that ages ago.

Anyway, has anybody played Company of Heroes? It's fucking HARD to destroy armour in that game >_>

Tanks are hard to destroy; ask the people from Tienamin square.

Tanks are hard to destroy; ask the people from Tienamin square.

Tiananmen, rather. And yes, tanks are quite difficult (one could say impossible) to destroy with a rifle or a machine gun.

The RTS genre needs more games like Company of Heroes, and that's cold, hard fact.

Isn't that the RTS with proper scale where infantry cannot destroy tanks, ships and buildings by firing bullets at them? That's new. That's different. RTSs should have been doing that ages ago.

Tanks are virtually impossible to destroy without RPGs, anti-tank guns, other tanks, or artillery fire.

I just played a fucking HARD level; no tanks, I had to defend this damn hill.

The wii is fully backwards compatible, including running the old Gamecube controller. There is no more serious gaming then SSBM, and Super Smash Bros Brawl is coming out on the wii shortly.

The wii was hands down the winner of the last E3, making it the undisputed king of consoles.

What more do you want?

Tanks are virtually impossible to destroy without RPGs, anti-tank guns, other tanks, or artillery fire.

I just played a fucking HARD level; no tanks, I had to defend this damn hill.

Many tanks can be taken out with gasoline, sugar, a rag, and a match.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

Tanks are virtually impossible to destroy without RPGs, anti-tank guns, other tanks, or artillery fire.

I just played a fucking HARD level; no tanks, I had to defend this damn hill.

It'd be nice if you could play as the United Kingdom (I haven't played myself, and I've read that you can only be the U.S. and Germany), as they had some nasty tank-busting aircraft.

The Hawker Hurricane Mk. IID, equipped with two 40mm Vickers guns with armor piercing rounds; the Hawker Typhoon, equipped with four 20mm Hispano cannons and pylons for eight anti-tank rockets; and the Hawker Tempest, equipped with four 20mm Hispano Mk. V cannons, with even more ordinance capacity than the Typhoon.

Ah, the power of aircraft.

The RTS genre needs more games like Company of Heroes, and that's cold, hard fact.

Dawn of War was pretty good. I have high hopes for DoW2.

It'd be nice if you could play as the United Kingdom (I haven't played myself, and I've read that you can only be the U.S. and Germany), as they had some nasty tank-busting aircraft.

Yeah. Only one campaign too, for America. There should be an Axis campaign. Maybe an alternate history.

It'd be nice if you could play as the United Kingdom (I haven't played myself, and I've read that you can only be the U.S. and Germany), as they had some nasty tank-busting aircraft.

The Hawker Hurricane Mk. IID, equipped with two 40mm Vickers guns with armor piercing rounds; the Hawker Typhoon, equipped with four 20mm Hispano cannons and pylons for eight anti-tank rockets; and the Hawker Tempest, equipped with four 20mm Hispano Mk. V cannons, with even more ordinance capacity than the Typhoon.

Ah, the power of aircraft.

It's trivial for aircraft to take out tanks... it's just hard to deploy aircraft in many of the situations you use tanks. Aircraft are also fantastically expense, difficult to maitain, and they always have to return somewhere.

Yeah. Only one campaign too, for America. There should be an Axis campaign. Maybe an alternate history.
I think helping the Nazi’s win World War Two, even fictionally, would unsettle a lot of people.

I think helping the Nazi’s win World War Two, even fictionally, would unsettle a lot of people.

CoH's only Western Front; you wouldn't win the whole war, just fight off the Americans.

It's trivial for aircraft to take out tanks... it's just hard to deploy aircraft in many of the situations you use tanks. Aircraft are also fantastically expense, difficult to maitain, and they always have to return somewhere.

It's true for small contact situations, but for large battles (such as many were on the Eastern front), aircraft were what really made the difference. That's why Russia built so many Sturmoviks, and the Sturmovik is one of the main reasons Germany couldn't make a foothold in Russia.

For small battles, infantry equipped with bazookas will do the trick. However, in the open field with many hundreds, if not thousands (tens of thousands, ever), of people, aircraft can turn the tide of battle. One well-equipped aircraft can handle multiple tanks, supply vehicles, and countless infantry companies.

CoH's only Western Front; you wouldn't win the whole war, just fight off the Americans.

Still, fighting for the Nazis… not exactly a feature most gamers are clamoring for.

Come to think of it, has there ever been a game where you played a campaign as the Nazis?

Still, fighting for the Nazis… not exactly a feature most gamers are clamoring for.

Tell that to the guys (and me) playing Wolf ET.

Come to think of it, has there ever been a game where you played a campaign as the Nazis?

I don't think so. But there are enough people playing online games for it to happen. If it happened, I don't think anybody would CARE. Well, not gamers. Maybe Jack Thompson.

Someone ask for cat pictures?

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8805/jezuzhl1vb1.jpg

Someone ask for cat pictures?

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8805/jezuzhl1vb1.jpg

http://www.cisnky.com/images/blog/ceiling_cat.jpg

It's true for small contact situations, but for large battles (such as many were on the Eastern front), aircraft were what really made the difference. That's why Russia built so many Sturmoviks, and the Sturmovik is one of the main reasons Germany couldn't make a foothold in Russia.

For small battles, infantry equipped with bazookas will do the trick. However, in the open field with many hundreds, if not thousands (tens of thousands, ever), of people, aircraft can turn the tide of battle. One well-equipped aircraft can handle multiple tanks, supply vehicles, and countless infantry companies.

Aircraft are great for any battle they can be deployed, but they don't help you hold territory, and they require ground forces to defend them. Even their armament is expensive. They aren't a particularly cost effective way to kill anything.

Aircraft are great for any battle they can be deployed, but they don't help you hold territory, and they require ground forces to defend them. Even their armament is expensive. They aren't a particularly cost effective way to kill anything.

They may cost more money, but aircraft risk fewer lives on the attacking front than just using ground forces. I'd say that a squadron of five planes that can bring a ground force of a hundred or more to its knees is quite effective.

They may cost more money, but aircraft risk fewer lives on the attacking front than just using ground forces. I'd say that a squadron of five planes that can bring a ground force of a hundred or more to its knees is quite effective.

One of my favourite things to do on this forum is to read all the posts on the first page of an ongoing thread and compare them to the latest page.

Aircraft are great for any battle they can be deployed, but they don't help you hold territory, and they require ground forces to defend them. Even their armament is expensive. They aren't a particularly cost effective way to kill anything.

Typically, I use tanks to forge forward and destroy enemy forces, then follow up with infantry to secure captured territory.

If you like a realistic RTS, Joint Task Force is also pretty good. Infantry don't kill tanks with bullets, etc etc. The ammo system works well and the campaign is fun. It has helicopter gunships, too. :)

Come to think of it, has there ever been a game where you played a campaign as the Nazis?
In Empire Earth (1), the German Campaign. Went through World War 1 and the opening stages of World War two.


I think helping the Nazi’s win World War Two, even fictionally, would unsettle a lot of people.

It had Germany winning the U-Boat wars and sinking the British Home Fleet with the Bismark and Graff Zepplin.

It ended with Operation Sealion.

Which included leveling London and sinking a suprise US Carrier Fleet.

They may cost more money, but aircraft risk fewer lives on the attacking front than just using ground forces. I'd say that a squadron of five planes that can bring a ground force of a hundred or more to its knees is quite effective.

You are right to point out that losing man power is one form of cost. There are lots of forms of cost to consider, depending on which is your main front. If opinion at home is a front you are losing on you probably care more about preserving man power then overspending dollars.

Typically, I use tanks to forge forward and destroy enemy forces, then follow up with infantry to secure captured territory.

I try to always use more expensive armament then my opponent, but just a bit so, and I like armament with low upkeep. Artillery whenever possible, so using guns at sea, fixed place, portable artillery or tanks are great. After that self propelled explosives, rockets, etc. After that self propelled rockets fired from mobile platforms, ships, plains etc.

I favor precision weapons as increasingly it is necessary to avoid splash damage.

In Empire Earth (1), the German Campaign. Went through World War 1 and the opening stages of World War two.




It had Germany winning the U-Boat wars and sinking the British Home Fleet with the Bismark and Graff Zepplin.

It ended with Operation Sealion.

Which included leveling London and sinking a suprise US Carrier Fleet.
Oh yeah, I remember that! Good ol' EE. Hmm, maybe it stopped early because they didn't want the player to help Germany when the Holocaust was going on, then?

Listen, if you don't appreciate PCs, don't use them. That's all I'm saying.

And if you don't like consoles, don't incessantly bash them.

And if you don't like consoles, don't incessantly bash them.

Haters such as him serve a useful purpose. The provoke threads like these, garner support for the object of their hate, etc.

Oh yeah, I remember that! Good ol' EE. Hmm, maybe it stopped early because they didn't want the player to help Germany when the Holocaust was going on, then?
That's what I was betting.
Still a great game.

I learned more about the 100 years war than from most history books.


I love thread Jacks.

NEEERRRRRRDDDDSSSSS!

I believe this thread has gone through the stages of decay:

1. Opening post
2. Geniune Logical Arguements
3. Breakdown in Step Two
4. Fanboy Slugfest
5. Slightly Off Topic Posting
6. Cat Pictures
7. This Idiot
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8. Lock

NEEERRRRRRDDDDSSSSS!

I believe this thread has gone through the stages of decay:

1. Opening post
2. Geniune Logical Arguements
3. Breakdown in Step Two
4. Fanboy Slugfest
5. Slightly Off Topic Posting
6. Cat Pictures
7. This Idiot
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8. Lock
Then we better get at least one more cat pic in.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/148/351658238_8af245ce9f.jpg?v=0

Yes, I am fully aware of just how wrong this picture is. :D

Then we better get at least one more cat pic in.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/148/351658238_8af245ce9f.jpg?v=0

Yes, I am fully aware of just how wrong this picture is. :D

I see your panty cat and raise you:O (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/Luporum/1166545841346qc0.jpg)

*breakdances*

NEEERRRRRRDDDDSSSSS!

I believe this thread has gone through the stages of decay:

1. Opening post
2. Geniune Logical Arguements
3. Breakdown in Step Two
4. Fanboy Slugfest
5. Slightly Off Topic Posting
6. Cat Pictures
7. This Idiot
<---
8. Lock

You forgot Godwin's Law, which has been enacted.

You forgot Godwin's Law, which has been enacted.

/0

*non existant*

NEEERRRRRRDDDDSSSSS!

I believe this thread has gone through the stages of decay:

1. Opening post
2. Geniune Logical Arguements
3. Breakdown in Step Two
4. Fanboy Slugfest
5. Slightly Off Topic Posting
6. Cat Pictures
7. This Idiot
<---
8. Lock

Isn't that the life of your average thread?

I'm disapointed with myself, being the Nintendo fanboy I am and not showing up for this thread...