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I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

Wii brings booming profits for Nintendo.

Cool beans.

If you dont like it, why dont you just buy another console?

Cool beans.

If you dont like it, why dont you just buy another console?

I did; the XBox 360. It's the only next-gen console thats ACTUALLY a console.

I thought the Wii was pretty damn fun...but I guess fun isn't part of gaming.:(

I thought the Wii was pretty damn fun...but I guess fun isn't part of gaming.:(

It's fun for stupid little games like table tennis and bowling, but no serious game can really be played on that thing. It's like playing Doom with a steering wheel.

I did; the XBox 360. It's the only next-gen console thats ACTUALLY a console.

the 360 rocks, but i'm quite glad the wii is doing well :)
i'd get one as well if i had more money, and more time to play

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I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming.

The market seems to disagree with you.

And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...the rest of us will be in here, where gameplay still matters.

I thought the Wii was pretty damn fun...but I guess fun isn't part of gaming.:(

Not anymore its not. Fun(tm) is a wholly owned subsidiary of the sony corporation and they have decided that its no longer relevant.

I still demand a Wii and twilight princess. Everyone who doesn't like it can go to hell.


One day I'll have them. One day. Maybe tomorrow.

The Wii is doing well because it is being marketed as something social rather than a solitary activity (social as in talking to someone in the same room as you). This pulls in people who might not normally be interested in computer gaming.

The Wii has had more thought put into it than the Xbox 360. From what I've seen all microsoft did was shove bigger and better eletronics in a snazzy plastic casing. The Wii on the other hand has risked much by changing the input device. It's similar to introducing the mouse after years of keyboard input devices. It makes the whole experience more intuitive - you swing the controller to the left and something on-screen swings to the left. Again this pulls in people who might not normally have been interested in computer games.

So instead of having a situation where the gamer sits on their arse ,mashing buttons, and shouting at someone who is several hundred miles away through a microphone, instead, with the Wii, the gamer is standing up, actually moving from time to time, and talking and joking with their friends who are there in the room with them. This is why the Wii is selling so well - it focuses on the experience instead of the specs.

...and it has no future in serious gaming.

always seemed like an oxymoron to me...

This is why the Wii is selling so well - it focuses on the experience instead of the specs.

So it's marketed to idiots?

So it's marketed to idiots?Quite the opposite. It is the idiot who has forgotten why he games and is befuddled by the gaming industry behemoths that the object of gaming is to see pretty pictures, and not to enjoy yourself. If you enjoy the pretty pictures then there are probably better experiences around than a computer game.

always seemed like an oxymoron to me...

Hehe :)

Well, serious and fun aren't mutually exclusive. But just because I enjoy making my brain ache over a strategy game doesn't mean I wouldn't jump at the chance to wave an imaginary lightsabre around my living room! :D

Mostly to the OP:
The Wii offers things that most other gaming systems don't. The DS offers things that only personal computers offer (but never actually do, so go Nintendo!). Whether that turns into Just Another Gimmick or not, time will tell. If you don't like it, don't buy one. Just because it can't render as many polygons per second doesn't mean it's not perfectly capable of providing a lot of enjoyment - and serious or no, if you're not enjoying gaming...

And if you want to go for "it's not a proper controller!"; the mouse is for DTP, CAD and suchlike. The keyboard is for typing. PC gamers seem to use them quite well... The Wiimote was specifically designed for games, at least.

Personally, I can't see much practical difference between the X-Box 360 and the PS3, and neither seems to offer anything my PC isn't capable of doing, so I'll buy neither. And hope Viva Pinata is ported.

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I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

You're better off. The future of console gaming grows murky. *nod*

I think the Wii is closer to "serious" gaming than any other console, as it takes a much larger step to immersing a player in the game.
But I suppose actually moving around is too much for some gamers :rolleyes:

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I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming

indeed the wii wont work well with a proper game. I dobt you ever have something like morrowind/oblivion on something like the wii.

. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.
go ahead. i've already done that.

Bah, find me a console that can play hide and seek, then we'll discuss proper games :p

As the roommate of a Wii owner, I can testify that the Wii, while unable to compete in terms of graphical performance to the PS3 and 360, blows them both out of the water by making it FUN to play GAMES again. MY GOD, WHAT A CONCEPT. I've played botht he PS3 and 360, as well, and as with most of the last generation of games, there's some cool stuff to play. That is to say, I play it, and I think, "yeah, this is pretty cool." But when I play the Wii, I have FUN. I smile, I laugh, I ENJOY LIFE. And I get a fair bit of physical activity in the process (mostly from Wii Boxing). Nintendo did the right thing this time around. They shunned the road of prohibitively expensive cutting edge hardware, and focused on making gaming a truly enjoyable experience for their players.

Eschewing any accusations regarding your own mental and/or physical fitness, I still hate you for compelling me to involve myself in a topic like this.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/01/25/nintendo.ap/index.html

I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.Ummm. That's why the market is wide open. Go ahead and sneer at people you consider non-serious gamers if you want to, but Nintendo found a way to revive their flagging video game business, and I congratulate them for it.

And by the way, there are also plenty of people who look at "serious gamers" and feel the same way you do--about being surrounded by a world of...

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I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

And here I was under the impression that Twilight Princess was a serious, actual game.

I guess it was only an amusing novelty.

It's fun for stupid little games like table tennis and bowling, but no serious game can really be played on that thing. It's like playing Doom with a steering wheel.

Whoa, whoa whoa.... does that mean that Metroid is, like, a documentary on torture or something?

I thought the Wii was pretty damn fun...but I guess fun isn't part of gaming.:(

Graphics-Whorism FTW! /end sarcasm

It's fun for stupid little games like table tennis and bowling, but no serious game can really be played on that thing. It's like playing Doom with a steering wheel.

Super Mario Galaxy looks really really fun.

I still demand a Wii and twilight princess. Everyone who doesn't like it can go to hell.


One day I'll have them. One day. Maybe tomorrow.

Join Us.... it's bliss.... actually I haven't played a game in days... I've been using it to watch YouTube videos all day. Not because the games aren't fun. But because I'm in a period of catching up on sleep at the moment and I don't feel like moving or trying to find myself in a crowd at the moment.

And here I was under the impression that Twilight Princess was a serious, actual game.

I guess it was only an amusing novelty.

It's a port with tacked on controls to sell systems. A really awesome port with tacked on controls to sell systems. But a port with tacked on controls to sell systems nonetheless.

I still demand a Wii and twilight princess. Everyone who doesn't like it can go to hell.


One day I'll have them. One day. Maybe tomorrow.

They're both amazing.

Quite the opposite. It is the idiot who has forgotten why he games and is befuddled by the gaming industry behemoths that the object of gaming is to see pretty pictures, and not to enjoy yourself. If you enjoy the pretty pictures then there are probably better experiences around than a computer game.
Quoted in agreement. It's quite the bit of marketing brilliance on the part of Nintendo to shift the focus of console gaming the way they have done, and I agree whole-heartedly with their attempts to restore the entertainment value of video games.

Mind you, the techie rather than the gamer in me is looking forward to see what the PS3 will be computationally capable of. Playing with that thing may well involve a screwdriver rather than a controller... ^__^

Mind you, the techie rather than the gamer in me is looking forward to see what the PS3 will be computationally capable of. Playing with that thing may well involve a screwdriver rather than a controller... ^__^

I wouldn't take to it with a screwdriver if I were you. The Playstation 3 requires so much power that it runs on the souls of dead babies.... you don't want to set one of them loose... believe me :D

I want a wii with whatever Mario Party they come out with for it. I think that'll be like the best thing in existence.

I wouldn't take to it with a screwdriver if I were you. The Playstation 3 requires so much power that it runs on the souls of dead babies.... you don't want to set one of them loose... believe me :D

You know the part in Ghostbusters where the EPA guy sets the ghosts free? He was really messing around with a prototype PS3.

But I do want a PS3...I've been a Sony fan for over a decade, and I'm not switching sides anytime soon.

I just love the straps breaking and various chaos ensuing. For that alone, Wii is in my good books :p

I did; the XBox 360. It's the only next-gen console thats ACTUALLY a console.
Speaking of serious gaming, are you going to try getting in on the Halo 3 beta?

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/01/25/nintendo.ap/index.html

I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

Console gamers are not serious gamers! Everyone knows that table top war gamers are serious...console jockeys are just wannabe fantasist etc etc....

:headbang:

Speaking of serious gaming, are you going to try getting in on the Halo 3 beta?

Bah to the Halo series, I say. Gordon Freeman and Half-Life thoroughly tromps Master Chief's ass. Gravity Gun FTW.

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I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

No, you're wrong.

What the fuck are you whining about and who cares?

Console gamers are not serious gamers! Everyone knows that table top war gamers are serious...console jockeys are just wannabe fantasist etc etc....

:headbang:


and AND AND THE CONSEOLE GAMERZ WILL NOT EVAR GET THERE LEVEL 90 WIZARD GOBLIN GNOME INTO THE 50TH MAGIC LIGHTNING GATE AND SEE THE DRAGUN FENIX ORC!!!!!!!!

THAY AREINT SERIOUS GAMERZ!!!!

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I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

The Wii is simply targeting a different market segment from the norm... here they are focusing on the less graphic intense gamers, and people who are not normally gamers, but intrigued by the interactivity of it.. meanwhile the PS3 targets the hardcore graphic gamer who wants to be blown away by intense hightech hardware...

then there's xbox360 which kind of flounders in the center. Im still skeptical about them... the xbox360 is at its peak preformance yet still only midly impressive

and AND AND THE CONSEOLE GAMERZ WILL NOT EVAR GET THERE LEVEL 90 WIZARD GOBLIN GNOME INTO THE 50TH MAGIC LIGHTNING GATE AND SEE THE DRAGUN FENIX ORC!!!!!!!!

THAY AREINT SERIOUS GAMERZ!!!!

OH N03Z!!!!1111

But seriously I think the Wii is the next stage in gaming evolution. Flashy graphics and supersonic processing speeds can only get you so far.

My sister and I got a good workout from playing the boxing...and hitting rabbits with plungers is fairly amusing.

I got bored with my b/f's 360. I didn't see what the big deal was all about. I can play KOTOR just as well on regular Xbox as on the 360. *shrugs*

I did; the XBox 360. It's the only next-gen console thats ACTUALLY a console.

If by "real console" you mean "computer with good graphics card wrapped in shiny plastic" you've got a point.

Ditto every other reasonable person in the world.

What the OP is rambling and whining about is beyond me.

Maybe he got his ass spanked on Monkey Ball or something. ;)

But seriously I think the Wii is the next stage in gaming evolution. Flashy graphics and supersonic processing speeds can only get you so far.

Yeah, but that's really, really damn far. Without being cutting edge in terms of graphics and processing power, your system isn't going to go very far.

However, I do think the Wii is an early example of the shift from passive to more active gaming; it marks an early step towards creating a really immersive gaming environment and will probably lead to game systems that are more and more like virtual reality than just a console. If the other console manufacturers don't start adding these kinds of features, they are going to lose ground to those that do because interactivity is probably going to be the next big innovation in gaming.

The phenomenal improvements in graphics, gameplay, and processing with each generation of console are now making it possible for interactivity to really work.

OH N03Z!!!!1111

But seriously I think the Wii is the next stage in gaming evolution. Flashy graphics and supersonic processing speeds can only get you so far.

Ditto every other reasonable person in the world.

What the OP is rambling and whining about is beyond me.

It's fun for stupid little games like table tennis and bowling, but no serious game can really be played on that thing. It's like playing Doom with a steering wheel.

So Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl aren't real games?

So Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl aren't real games?

Apparently not. And, in all honesty, the Wii remote is not that much more difficult (if at all) for playing most games than an ordinary controller. And it's definitely better than that horrible Xbox 360 one...

Even as a Sony fan, I can say that the Wii is pretty cool. My brother has one and I play on it quite often since I'm still waiting for my PS3.

Apparently not.
Then what is? Halo 3 and nothing else?

And, in all honesty, the Wii remote is not that much more difficult (if at all) for playing most games than an ordinary controller. And it's definitely better than that horrible Xbox 360 one....

Another thing a lot of people miss: Nintendo has a normal controller for the Wii
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149763.html

Even as a Sony fan, I can say that the Wii is pretty cool. My brother has one and I play on it quite often since I'm still waiting for my PS3.

Hope you get one soon, My grandma just snagged a Wii and I should get it in the mail next week. (I turned my whole family into a Wii dragnet :D )

and AND AND THE CONSEOLE GAMERZ WILL NOT EVAR GET THERE LEVEL 90 WIZARD GOBLIN GNOME INTO THE 50TH MAGIC LIGHTNING GATE AND SEE THE DRAGUN FENIX ORC!!!!!!!!

THAY AREINT SERIOUS GAMERZ!!!!

LOL!!! Too true ;)

Then what is? Halo 3 and nothing else?

It's a mystery to me...

Apparently, about half of the games I like on the PS2 (Ratchet and Clank series, Jak and Daxter series, Katamari Damacy, other platformers, fighting and puzzle games, etc.) aren't either.

Maybe the OP's just a really hardcore Halo fanatic?

Hope you get one soon, My grandma just snagged a Wii and I should get it in the mail next week. (I turned my whole family into a Wii dragnet :D )

Yeah, I hope so. They're still sold out around here, although they might become more available soon; all I know is I'm going to buy one ASAP. I'm pretty sure my aunt sent one of her workers to camp out and buy a Wii for my brother...that's the only way I can imagine her getting one before Christmas.

I've been trying to find a Wii, but so far I've not found any for sale within 100 miles of my home.

For me, the wii is an 'only time will tell' system. The controllers will make it difficult to port games from other systems- so some developers may just not bother porting to wii. Whether wii outlives its novelty will depend on the games that come out post-launch.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/01/25/nintendo.ap/index.html

I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.
If you are at a point where you don't think videogames are toys, then you are taking life far to seriously.

The Wii's controllers are designed actually so that their target audience can finally play. Note the smooth texture which slides so easily into the womb.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mnmyfjOynK4

Wii FTW.

For me, the wii is an 'only time will tell' system. The controllers will make it difficult to port games from other systems- so some developers may just not bother porting to wii. Whether wii outlives its novelty will depend on the games that come out post-launch.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149763.html

They have a regular controller, Nintendo isn't braindead.

The Wii's controllers are designed actually so that their target audience can finally play. Note the smooth texture which slides so easily into the womb.I am so unsure how to interpret this...

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/01/25/nintendo.ap/index.html

I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

I think its the exact opposite. Its breaking the mould and moving forward with games, which is excellent. Far better than all the rubbish that is standardly churned out. What is your definition of serious gaming then?

And it's definitely better than that horrible Xbox 360 one...


i love that controller. its comfy and ergonomic, wireless, light and has a ton of battery life.

i also loved the original (big) xbox controllers.


i hate the PS controller... (makes my hands hurt)

i love that controller. its comfy and ergonomic, wireless, light and has a ton of battery life.

Battery life/wireless are good, but I can't stand the feel of it.

i hate the PS controller... (makes my hands hurt)

It's okay for me, probably because I've played with it for so long...

And I couldn't hate the controllers more if they where the Colecovisions...
I think the Intellivision controllers were worse.

It's a mystery to me...

Apparently, about half of the games I like on the PS2 (Ratchet and Clank series, Jak and Daxter series, Katamari Damacy, other platformers, fighting and puzzle games, etc.) aren't either.

Maybe the OP's just a really hardcore Halo fanatic?
Nah... I'm about as hardcore a Halo fanatic as you can get, and I loved Katamari Damcy. I don't have a problem with the Wii, either. I probably won't get one, but I don't think it's stupid.

i love that controller. its comfy and ergonomic, wireless, light and has a ton of battery life.

i also loved the original (big) xbox controllers.


i hate the PS controller... (makes my hands hurt)
You're a strange duck...

If you are at a point where you don't think videogames are toys, then you are taking life far to seriously.
Truest thing said in this thread so far.

For me, the wii is an 'only time will tell' system. The controllers will make it difficult to port games from other systems- so some developers may just not bother porting to wii. Whether wii outlives its novelty will depend on the games that come out post-launch.
After that, what was it? Million, 1.5 million consoles sold just over the holiday season, and still selling briskly you can almost bank on people porting to the Wii because ignoring a market that big would just be silly. Further, you'll likely see people designing for it as the primary system because the market is so big.

A friend was telling me about homebrewable Wii games that anyone can make and download for $5 or something like that. I don't remember the details, but as a long time Nintendo hater I have to say-everything I hear about the Wii makes it cooler and cooler and cooler. I've never had anything but a Playstation (and I'm from the Atari 2600/Pong generation...actually, I did have Pong...) but right now I'd get the Wii before the PS3. The XBox 360 was as 'eh' as the Xbox. And I couldn't hate the controllers more if they where the Colecovisions...

I think the Intellivision controllers were worse.

Man, were those flimsy or what? I used to take the suction dart from a...well, suction dart gun and stick it in the middle to make that pad a joystick. But at least with that flimsy little bugger you could still access the keypad without having to completely change your grip. (I didn't have systems, but my friends did-I was a video game freeloader!)

I like the wii, but it annoys me how theyve tried to shoehorn motion controls into everything. When it calms down theyl start having more games with conventional controls, especially cross platform titles. THe only worry then is that normal games plus crap graphics might not appeal so much, and only games specially made for it will have the motion controls working well. Not that I care, I use a laptop connected to an HDTV for gaming, it kicks console ass.

Being a seller/player of the Xbox 360, PS3, and the Wii, I have to say that the Wii kicks butt, mainly because there's a decent amount of them shipped out about every 3 weeks, and you can't really not like the motion controller. It's almost like DDR, except you use your whole body, not just your legs and feet, and you don't need a pad. When we get Super Smash Brawl for the Wii, that's when it gets even better.

The Xbox 360 and PS3 could be good, in terms of graphics, if it wasn't for that damn overheating problem that both of them have. I played the PS3 for 5 minutes, and it turned off because it was too hot. The Xbox 360 doesn't nearly shut off as fast, but it does have that problem, and then I have to drop another 30-40 bucks to get an intercooler, after already paying 400 for the premium system. The PS3 also has the supply problem. Working at Circuit City, I only see about 4-7 of them come in every 3-4 weeks, and then, it takes us about a week to sell them. When we got a shipment of 20 Wii, they were gone within 20 minutes. People still line up for them outside. It's ridicolous.

But not to knock the PS3- the main reason I would buy that is for the Blu-Ray player in it- which, to let you know, usually cost around $1100 dollars. That's one thing Sony was good at- features and compatibility. Still, that overheating problem sucks. Wait a few months for the knicks to get worked out, then the PS3 will become good. They also got rid of the vibrating controller- what's up with that?

Anyway- there's my two cents about the systems.

Go Wii! Go Nintendoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

They also got rid of the vibrating controller- what's up with that?


What the hell, man? I just want to swear for a few minutes...

...The Xbox 360 doesn't nearly shut off as fast, but it does have that problem,

meh, i've left mine on by accident for many hours without it overheating or turning off, many times.

Speaking of serious gaming, are you going to try getting in on the Halo 3 beta?

Nah, no Live. Why would I wanna play the Beta, anyway? Much rather play the finished game.

Nah... I'm about as hardcore a Halo fanatic as you can get, and I loved Katamari Damcy.

I loathe Halo, but KD's on my list of best games ever. Now if they ported it to the Wii, that would ruin the masterpiece.

So Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl aren't real games?

Zelda on Wii is a sad attempt to plug their controller, Red Steel was shittacular, Metroid Prime on Wii is a sad attempt to plug their controller, SSB on Wii is a sad attempt to plug their controller.

Apparently, about half of the games I like on the PS2 (Ratchet and Clank series, Jak and Daxter series, Katamari Damacy, other platformers, fighting and puzzle games, etc.) aren't either.

You're comparing KATAMARI DAMACY to the Wii? That like comparing Picasso to something an ape splattered over a canvas.

Being a seller/player of the Xbox 360, PS3, and the Wii, I have to say that the Wii kicks butt, mainly because there's a decent amount of them shipped out about every 3 weeks, and you can't really not like the motion controller. It's almost like DDR, except you use your whole body, not just your legs and feet, and you don't need a pad. When we get Super Smash Brawl for the Wii, that's when it gets even better.

The Xbox 360 and PS3 could be good, in terms of graphics, if it wasn't for that damn overheating problem that both of them have. I played the PS3 for 5 minutes, and it turned off because it was too hot. The Xbox 360 doesn't nearly shut off as fast, but it does have that problem, and then I have to drop another 30-40 bucks to get an intercooler, after already paying 400 for the premium system. The PS3 also has the supply problem. Working at Circuit City, I only see about 4-7 of them come in every 3-4 weeks, and then, it takes us about a week to sell them. When we got a shipment of 20 Wii, they were gone within 20 minutes. People still line up for them outside. It's ridicolous.

But not to knock the PS3- the main reason I would buy that is for the Blu-Ray player in it- which, to let you know, usually cost around $1100 dollars. That's one thing Sony was good at- features and compatibility. Still, that overheating problem sucks. Wait a few months for the knicks to get worked out, then the PS3 will become good. They also got rid of the vibrating controller- what's up with that?

Anyway- there's my two cents about the systems.
But ever since Sony said they weren't going to copy Blu-Ray discs for porn companies, I've been convinced that Blu-Ray is going to be on the losing end of the high def DVD war. So much for that added value in the PS3.

Zelda on Wii is a sad attempt to plug their controller, Red Steel was shittacular, Metroid Prime on Wii is a sad attempt to plug their controller, SSB on Wii is a sad attempt to plug their controller.

Your demonstrating how utterly ignorant you are, SSB will not be using the motion sensing controller.

Where did this massive loathing for the Wii come from? I've heard less prejudice and hatred from KKK members.

Where did this massive loathing for the Wii come from? I've heard less prejudice and hatred from KKK members.

I'm sick of people treating the Wii like some sort of gaming revelation, like a fucking second coming. Within in the next few years, some SPECTACULAR games are going to come out, and they're all going to be overshadowed by Nintendo's release of another mini sports game where you can swing your proverbial dick around.

I actually hope the Wii continues to do well because right now Square-Enix has yet to decide which console they will put the next Kingdom Hearts game on, and I'd like it to be the Wii if only for the cheap price. Sure, I'll probably buy a PS3 eventually anyway--gotta play MGS IV, Final Fantasy XIII, and all that--but I would like to actually be able to play KH III when it first comes out, since I doubt I'd be able to afford a PS3 reasonably at that point if it's on the PS3.

I'm sick of people treating the Wii like some sort of gaming revelation, like a fucking second coming. Within in the next few years, some SPECTACULAR games are going to come out, and they're all going to be overshadowed by Nintendo's release of another mini sports game where you can swing your proverbial dick around.

I don't think its a gaming revolution, I think its a good console with good games. I switched from a gamecube to an Xbox- Worst gaming related decision I've ever made, period.

1.) the Wii is fun to play

2.) The Wii has fun games to play

3.) the Wii is cheap

4.) The Wii will allow me to play all of the Nintendo games I grew up playing

What about that is so evil to you?

1.) the Wii is fun to play

2.) The Wii has fun games to play

3.) the Wii is cheap

4.) The Wii will allow me to play all of the Nintendo games I grew up playing

What about that is so evil to you?

The Wii is taking press and interest away from SERIOUS development in gaming. You know that whole motion sensor shit? They have those at arcades. It wasn't spectacular then, and believe it or not, it ain't spectacular now.

But ever since Sony said they weren't going to copy Blu-Ray discs for porn companies, I've been convinced that Blu-Ray is going to be on the losing end of the high def DVD war. So much for that added value in the PS3.

totally...bad decision by Sony...but then its not the first time they fucked up like that...I really cannot see the PS3 doing at all well...

The Wii is taking press and interest away from SERIOUS development in gaming. You know that whole motion sensor shit? They have those at arcades. It wasn't spectacular then, and believe it or now, it ain't spectacular now.

The objective of gaming is to entertain, I'd say the Wii is SERIOUS gaming.

That being said I would have still bought the Wii if it didn't have the motion sensing controllers.

The objective of gaming is to entertain, I'd say the Wii is SERIOUS gaming.

Nope. The objective of gaming is to make art.

The Wii is taking press and interest away from SERIOUS development in gaming. You know that whole motion sensor shit? They have those at arcades. It wasn't spectacular then, and believe it or now, it ain't spectacular now.

Dude, you are freaking way too hard about this. Smoke some weed or something. Jeez.

totally...bad decision by Sony...but then its not the first time they fucked up like that...I really cannot see the PS3 doing at all well...
I think the PS3 by itself will do fine--I'm just saying that those people who are buying it for the Blu-Ray value added are going to be disappointed in a couple of years when it goes the way of the Betamax.

i also loved the original (big) xbox controllers.

i hate the PS controller... (makes my hands hurt)

I'm with you there... The PS gamepads make my thumbs ache.

I have an old-style big X-Box pad for use on my PC. Thank you, Ebay! :D

I think the PS3 by itself will do fine--I'm just saying that those people who are buying it for the Blu-Ray value added are going to be disappointed in a couple of years when it goes the way of the Betamax.

I think it will hinge on whether or not the cost of Blu-Ray will fall to a point where it is able to compete with HD-DVD; obviously, since it's a new technology it is still expensive, but if they can bring down the cost it would be highly competitive.

Of course, the end product will probably be something that combines features of both systems, so it won't really be a loss either way.

Nope. The objective of gaming is to make art.

:rolleyes:

I think the PS3 by itself will do fine--I'm just saying that those people who are buying it for the Blu-Ray value added are going to be disappointed in a couple of years when it goes the way of the Betamax.

I'm not too sure. Given that Blu Ray is hideously expensive to produce...you can be throwing three or four masters before you have a clean one...

And how far behind are Sony at the moment? The Xbox has the financial might of MS behind it..at the moment. Nintendo have a vast following who will eventually take up the wii...I know I will eventually...

Nope. The objective of gaming is to make art.

errr...I thought it was to have fun...hence gameplay being so important...anything else is an added bonus...

And not all games are 'video' based...go to a war gamers meet...you will see serious gamers...

Nope. The objective of gaming is to make art.
Um... no?

I´ve been playing games for more than 18 years now (I´m 23), and I´ve played consoles for a lot of years (not since playstation I).

And one thing I always realized is that newcomers to consoles ALWAYS moved their hands when they played. You guys know what I mean: you ask that female cousin of yours to play some racing game, and she rises the joystick everytime she wants her character to jump.

That is why Wii is such an amazing idea. You see, when you start playing games, you have to LEARN that you shouldnt use your hands, only your fingers. With Wii, its totaly diferent. You´re suposed to move your entire body and arms to play it.

For those that doesnt think its a step ahead, think about Virtual Reality. Everyone thought the first step towards virtual reality would be some kind of helmet where you see everything like it was real. But with Wii, the step is diferent. It gives you the way to ACT upon the game in a virtual way, not just pressing butons.

That is why Wii is such an amazing idea, and I hope it works. Now all we need are some awesome games, a VR helmet and a console that is able to run them.

The Wii is taking press and interest away from SERIOUS development in gaming. You know that whole motion sensor shit? They have those at arcades. It wasn't spectacular then, and believe it or not, it ain't spectacular now.

So what makes a SERIOUS (http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/667213/Serious_Sam_2/Product.html) game, then?

As for art... Yes, games can be art. But they also have to be fun and involving, or what's the point? I don't care how arty a game is, I'm not going to play it just because some pretentious twat tells me it symbolises the greater struggle we all face in life. If symbolising that greater struggle means I control a gay cowboy who does nothing but sit around eating pudding I won't actually give a shit, will I? It might be as arty as the entire Tate Modern but I'd still much rather play Mario or Kirby on my DS, or wave an imaginary Lightsabre around. Play an actual game.

If you were to impose that silly "games must be art, or they're not proper games" mentality you won't lead gaming to a shiny, new Golden Age; you'll kill it. You might get Germaine Greer raving about the feminist subtext of The Return of the Pudding Eaters on late-night telly, but how many actual people who play games for fun would care?

And one thing I always realized is that newcomers to consoles ALWAYS moved their hands when they played. You guys know what I mean: you ask that female cousin of yours to play some racing game, and she rises the joystick everytime she wants her character to jump.

Hehehe, yes. I had Super Monaco GP for my Game Gear, and you had to tip the thing as you were going round corners, because it felt like the car would fall the way you wanted it to go. You knew it was silly, of course, but you couldn't help it!

I did; the XBox 360. It's the only next-gen console thats ACTUALLY a console.

Well, people do not want consoles that are actual consoles. The market has responded to this, and now you either have to buy a non-console console or STFU.

EDIT: This seems quite asshole-ish outside of economic and environmental threads.

So, we're in agreeance; gaming is dead. Whoopee.

RIP Gaming: 1972-2006

Nope. The objective of gaming is to make art.

wow... no it's not.

RIP Gaming: 1972-2006

aww, poor little guy - deluded about the nature of gaming and when it started.

Play an actual game.

So, purchase a chimp-painting? No.

aww, poor little guy - deluded about the nature of gaming and when it started.

1972: Magnavox Odyssey becomes the first commercially sold video game console.

1972: Magnavox Odyssey becomes the first commercially sold video game console.

that's nice

Much rather play the finished game.

I loathe Halo

:confused:

but KD's on my list of best games ever. Now if they ported it to the Wii, that would ruin the masterpiece.
How would that ruin it? I'd think the Wiimote could be a clever way to control the Katamari.

:confused:

I'll play Halo, but it's definitely overrated.

How would that ruin it? I'd think the Wiimote could be a clever way to control the Katamari.

Except that the challenge, and, if you've played We Love Katamari, the social aspect, would be completely gone.

On the other hand, I can see an upside; if all consoles go the way of the Wii, the high-tech stuff will be left for the PC. So I'll be playing Crysis on Ultra High setting with HDR lighting and 8xAA, while y'all be playing... the chimp-painting.

so pf, i have a question. clarify for me how it is that you think:
1) the objective of gaming is to make art
2) the start of 'gaming' begins with commercially available video game consoles, rather than any of the myriad forms of gaming of the previous 10,000 years
3) the magnavox odyssey fulfilled your conception of gaming as art production
4) the wii fails to do so

'cause from over here, 1 seems false, 2 seems fucking ridiculous, and 3 and 4 are inconsistent at best.

1972: Magnavox Odyssey becomes the first commercially sold video game console.

Why do you continue to think that gaming is only valid if its used in conjunction with some type of VDU and 'console'?

Why do you continue to think that gaming is only valid if its used in conjunction with some type of VDU and 'console'?

he doesn't even require the console, as evidenced by his last post (for example). i have no idea what he thinks 'gaming' means at this point.

2) the start of 'gaming' begins with commercially available video game consoles, rather than any of the myriad forms of gaming of the previous 10,000 years

We're talking about computer and video gaming.

3) the magnavox odyssey fulfilled your conception of gaming as art production
4) the wii fails to do so

It's the art life cycle: after years of experimentalism, the medium comes into it's own, then grows and becomes elaborate, with masterpieces being produced. After a while, people start drawing a few squiggles on a canvas and calling it art; people fall for it. Rise and fall.

Why do you continue to think that gaming is only valid if its used in conjunction with some type of VDU and 'console'?

Because without hardware, there's no such things as video games? Genius.

You're assuming he's thought about this at all. That's the mistake.

technically, i'm charitably allowing him to stop making an ass of himself. i know he hasn't put any thought into his crap at all.

he doesn't even require the console, as evidenced by his last post (for example). i have no idea what he thinks 'gaming' means at this point.

You're assuming he's thought about this at all. That's the mistake.

We're talking about computer and video gaming.

1947 then, surely? and by your own admission the computer counts, so it didn't end in 2006 either. so, totally out the ass then?

It's the art life cycle: after years of experimentalism, the medium comes into it's own, then grows and becomes elaborate, with masterpieces being produced. After a while, people start drawing a few squiggles on a canvas and calling it art; people fall for it. Rise and fall.

and now we add art to the list of things you don't know anything about?

*shrugs* The Wii is fun. I fail to see how that leads to the demise of the gaming console as we know it.

I'm tempted to give him advice that The Nazz gave me once... :D

Because without hardware, there's no such things as video games? Genius.

Errr possibly because the term gaming covers more then just computer/video games....genius...not to be used on you evidently....

Listen, you console gamers just keep your

http://www.journaldugamer.com/images/2006_07/cod3_wii_01.jpg

and

http://britishgaming.co.uk/wp-content/callofduty3_wii_2.jpg

and we'll have our

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9571/19bx9.jpg

and

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2078/28jp4.jpg

The Wii looks pretty damn not fun and gimmicky to me, but whatever if that’s what you like. Lots of well-selling things are gimmicky and don't appeal to me. That doesn't make the I-Pod stupid so it certainly doesn't make the Wii stupid.

I do worry that games popular with generally non-gamer demographics will overshadow the games I enjoy and cause less to be produced, but as a fan of turn-based strategy and American RPGs, I’ve been dealing with that for years so, meh.

Nothing to get worked up about.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/01/25/nintendo.ap/index.html

I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

You're funny.

Of course, it is a console, and your opinion matters naught. I mean, how could it? You really don't have much credibility with as many times as you've literally pulled things out of your ass in sorry attempts to make arguments... And leaving in the middle of them when you see defeat.

Is this thread the same? Probably, though I haven't the time to read through its entirety to see for myself.

Look, none of us (or at least most) are saying that computer games suck. I myself am waiting for the new Command and Conquer: 3-Tiberium Wars game to come out for the computer, which, by the way, looks incredible. All we're saying is that some games were designed to have awesome graphics, and some games were designed to make you move and duck and swing and all that stuff.

So take a chill pill, calm down, and we can all talk about something more important in life.

I still demand a Wii and twilight princess. Everyone who doesn't like it can go to hell.


One day I'll have them. One day. Maybe tomorrow.

I couldn't wait so I went out and got the Game Cube version... Still kicks ass anyway.

Yet I'm still getting the Wii version just because using the other controller would bring such a different experience for the game.

Look, none of us (or at least most) are saying that computer games suck. I myslef am waiting for the new Command and Conquer: 3-Tiberium Wars game to come out for the computer, which, by the way, looks incredible. All we're saying is that some games were designed to have awesome graphics, and some games were designed to make you move and duck and swing and all that stuff.

So take a chill pill, calm down, and we can all talk about something more important in life. I'm waiting for CNC3 as well. Lets hope it lives up to it's name.

Got myself a new mantra:

Whatever happens, we have got
the 8800, and they have not

http://www.overclockers.ru/images/news/2006/12/29/ocz_01.jpg

HOLA!

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2078/28jp4.jpg

What game is this from?

Bioshock. Available on console; superior on PC.

I'm waiting for CNC3 as well. Lets hope it lives up to it's name.

I'd prefer RA3.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2078/28jp4.jpg

What game is this from?

Got myself a new mantra:

Whatever happens, we have got
the 8800, and they have not

http://www.overclockers.ru/images/news/2006/12/29/ocz_01.jpg

HOLA!

I think somebody needs a confidence pill...

I'd prefer RA3.

The problem is what more can you do with the Soviets vs. Americans thing?? They've already done 2!

I mean, you could start over, and do it from the beginning, but how far back do you want to go?? Personally- they should just leave it the way it is. Command and Conquer started with tiberium, and Kane, and NOD vs. GDI. That's the way it should be. Although C&C- Generals was a good concept. Zero Hour was one of the most addicting games I've ever played.

The problem is what more can you do with the Soviets vs. Americans thing?? They've already done 2!

Take a cue from the modern world and make everyone hate America: Europe and the Soviets vs the US, throw in the psychics somewhere.

Nope. The objective of gaming is to make art.

Stupidest. Reply. Ever.

You want art, go buy a painting. They are called Video games for a reason. For the, you know, Gaming? Not for the pretty pictures.
It's sad that people care more about the "pretty pictures" than if the game is good or not.

I'd prefer RA3.
Please no, they ruined whatever was left after Yuri's Revenge.

And another plus for the Wii.

All the old Nintendo games are back with a vengence. I'm going to get Crystalis (The orginal) and Mario 3 when I get a Wii.

Please no, they ruined whatever was left after Yuri's Revenge.

Yuri's revenge was awesome.

Wii suck ass! Xbox 360 and PS3 FTW!!!!!:D :D :D :D

Ive played the Wii I own the Wii and its some of the most fun I have ever had playing a video game. Red steel is wicked fun, will sports amazeing. Ive even played splinter cell on the wii without much trouble.

The wii-mote just takes some getting used to, like the first time you use a touch pad on a lap top its difficult at first to get used to the sensativity but once you do its fine. If this is the future of consol gameing then it is awesome.

The also make normal consol controlers for the Wii, you dont like the wii mote buy a normal controler.

I also own a Xbox 360 the only reason I play it more than the wii is I have more games for it, and I am a die hard HALO fan.

All the old Nintendo games are back with a vengence. I'm going to get Crystalis (The orginal) and Mario 3 when I get a Wii.

You know the PC's been able to do that for the last 10 years, right?

Take a cue from the modern world and make everyone hate America: Europe and the Soviets vs the US, throw in the psychics somewhere.

Maybe... but America needs some ally-- someone, anyone. Otherwise, clearly the Soviets, and their allies, would win.

Personally- I like having terrorists in cars, driving into bases and demolishing buildings, and having toxic tractors kill units then dealing with some Yuri units. The General Points in C&C- Generals also made that game awesome. I believe they're supposed to keep that idea for C&C- 3, if I'm not mistaken. But I could very well be wrong.

I think somebody needs a confidence pill...

nah, i'm sure his potato is of adequate size and girth

Yuri's revenge was awesome.

It would've been, if they made the campaigns longer. The Allies only had about 5 or 6 missions!!! What kind of crap is THAT?

Though having that Psychic Dominator was awesome.

Maybe... but America needs some ally-- someone, anyone. Otherwise, clearly the Soviets, and their allies, would win.

Remember how the Soviets got their asses kicked in RA2? They wouldn't have much left to fight with in RA3.

How's this: US Revolution, US becomes communist, communist US vs Europe.

Wii suck ass! Xbox 360 and PS3 FTW!!!!!:D :D :D :D

You clearly have not played the Wii.

Remember how the Soviets got their asses kicked in RA2? They wouldn't have much left to fight with in RA3.

How's this: US Revolution, US becomes communist, communist US vs Europe.

The US has always been the democratic good-- or bad-- guy. Turning it communist is like making Japan have nuclear weapons in WWII, and using them against the Allies. It's stupid, and not going to happen.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/01/25/nintendo.ap/index.html

I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... I'm going off consoles and exclusively onto PC.

I'm getting one this wiikend (teehee), and I like them. Alot.

The US has always been the democratic good-- or bad-- guy. Turning it communist is like making Japan have nuclear weapons in WWII, and using them against the Allies. It's stupid, and not going to happen.

Oh, come on, it's RED ALERT. You can do just about anything in Red Alert.

Oh, come on, it's RED ALERT. You can do just about anything in Red Alert.

Okay, I'll agree with you partly there. But there's a point when it just becomes ridicolous and crazy to do any more stupid things. Just let it go, and go on with something that everyone has been waiting to see- what happens after the Philadelphia gets shot down by NOD ICBMs.

It would've been, if they made the campaigns longer. The Allies only had about 5 or 6 missions!!! What kind of crap is THAT?

Though having that Psychic Dominator was awesome.
Zero Hour only had 5 missions for each side, didn't it?

Personally, I'm a bit apprehensive about C&C3, although it does look awesome. Generals was the first C&C game I played properly for any period of time (yes, yes, I know, I'm a horrible human being) and I prefer the standard RTS positioning of the controls and stuff. I got First Decade for Christmas so I've had the opportunity to play through the other C&C games. Good fun, but I really didn't like the relationships between units- i.e. tanks and buildings die if you shoot lots of bullets at them, as well as the silly C4 planting. Generals had good realistic RTS combat, apart from infantry not being injured by a tank shell, so I'm curious to see whether this will be replicated in C&C3 or go back to the old games.

On the other hand, I can see an upside; if all consoles go the way of the Wii, the high-tech stuff will be left for the PC. So I'll be playing Crysis on Ultra High setting with HDR lighting and 8xAA, while y'all be playing... the chimp-painting.

So in other words, your idea of the perfect gaming experience is simply the game with the best graphics?

Pathetic, people like you killed gaming, your idea of the pinnacle of art is recreating the real world in an audio-video format? Utterly pathetic, you want art? Look out the fucking window.

This seems oddly familiar, a sort of metaphor for the Cold War and the Nuclear Penis Measuring contest that ensued.

Had to bring politics into a thread about gaming.

So in other words, your idea of the perfect gaming experience is simply the game with the best graphics?

Pathetic, people like you killed gaming, your idea of the pinnacle of art is recreating the real world in an audio-video format? Utterly pathetic, you want art? Look out the fucking window.


Ladies and Gentlemen, the death of video games as we know it.


In case you didn't know, to make a great game you need good graphics, storylines in some cases and good game play. But good gameplay varies from person to person and YOU don't have any right to make a blind statement on what is good gameplay and what isn't!

In case you didn't know, to make a great game you need good graphics, storylines in some cases and good game play. But good gameplay varies from person to person and YOU don't have any right to make a blind statement on what is good gameplay and what isn't!

He never even mentions gameplay or plots, all he talks about is graphics, thats all he cares about.

I would much rather have a fun chimp painting than a turd drawn by Leonardo da Vinci.

You clearly have not played the Wii.


Because everybody who plays it falls in love with it. :rolleyes: Let me guess, a Nintendo Fanboy who thinks the Wii is the best thing ever and everybody who plays will want to marry it and those who hate it must have never played it or are just stupid. How old are you?

He never even mentions gameplay or plots, all he talks about is graphics, thats all he cares about.

I would much rather have a fun chimp painting than a turd drawn by Leonardo da Vinci.

Oh, I care about gameplay. I'm just glad that PC will be getting gameplay AND technical quality.

Take your 2,000 dollar gaming computer and play with it, have fun.

I plan on it.

Because everybody who plays it falls in love with it. :rolleyes: Let me guess, a Nintendo Fanboy who thinks the Wii is the best thing ever and everybody who plays will want to marry it and those who hate it must have never played it or are just stupid. How old are you?

I actually married my Wii. Her name is Susan, we had three GameBoys together.

I enjoy my Wii, I'm not going to go LOLPROPOGANDA or go LOLEVERYTHINGELSESUX (except on PS3). I enjoy playing 360 with my friends, but...I got my mom, 45 years old-not a gamer at all, to have fun playing the Wii. It's a system anyone can play, that's why I like it. I'm not wealthy, I can't afford 16GB of RAM or a graphics card that creates graphics better than real life. So the Wii doesn't have PWNERIFFIC graphics. Big deal. It's fun, I enjoy it. My mom (who is interupting my personal time with Susie...) enjoys it. It's a system that the entire family, save the dog you walk into playing, can enjoy. Virtual reality on a budget. Take your 2,000 dollar gaming computer and play with it, have fun. I'll play Wii Sports and enjoy it.

In case you didn't know, to make a great game you need good graphics


http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/games/pong/pong2.jpg

Technical quality? An idea Nintendo fears.

Uh-huh.

I am sure he just says graphics because a few people tend to have a phobia of them for some reason. Graphic vary from person to person to. I happen to Like GTA graphics.

I'm flaunting graphics because they're so high and mighty about their penis-wands.

Oh yeah, people definitely fear graphics. If they so much as crack DX7, it's not a game, it's a technical demo! :rolleyes:

Oh, I care about gameplay. I'm just glad that PC will be getting gameplay AND technical quality.


Technical quality? An idea Nintendo fears.

He never even mentions gameplay or plots, all he talks about is graphics, thats all he cares about.

I would much rather have a fun chimp painting than a turd drawn by Leonardo da Vinci.



I am sure he just says graphics because a few people tend to have a phobia of them for some reason. Graphic vary from person to person to. I happen to Like GTA graphics.

Nope. The objective of gaming is to make art.

It's official.

It is now completely impossible to take you seriously, now and for all time, on this and on all other subjects.

Congratulations?!?

Note: The objective of gaming is to have fun...the objective of making video games is to MAKE MONEY!

I am sure he just says graphics because a few people tend to have a phobia of them for some reason. Graphic vary from person to person to. I happen to Like GTA graphics.

I happen to not give two shits about graphics, I care only about the entertainment value. A game must have fun gameplay, it must be challenging, it must be replayable, and it should have a good storyline.

I still have tons of fun with Tetris and Defender.

I happen to not give two shits about graphics, I care only about the entertainment value. A game must have fun gameplay, it must be challenging, it must be replayable, and it should have a good storyline.

If it were up to you, we'd be the Amish.

It's a video GAME. You PLAY it. That's why GAMEPLAY is rather important, in these situations. :rolleyes: Why bother playing games at all if you don't care about the gameplay? Perhaps you should simply go to the art gallery and stare for hours on end at a few particular nice paintings instead of playing games. After all, they look pretty, and what does it matter if you can't do anything with them, right?

Hey, at least I have a standard for graphics. I LIKE my games to have something resembling what it's trying to convey. That's something consoles will never have.

Hey, at least I have a standard for graphics. I LIKE my games to have something resembling what it's trying to convey. That's something consoles will never have.

and it seems like only hours ago that you were including the magnavox odyssey into the art producing category you label 'gaming'.

are you even trying to not sound retarded?

If it were up to you, we'd be the Amish.
It's a video GAME. You PLAY it. That's why GAMEPLAY is rather important, in these situations. :rolleyes: Why bother playing games at all if you don't care about the gameplay? Perhaps you should simply go to the art gallery and stare for hours on end at a few particular nice paintings instead of playing games. After all, they look pretty, and what does it matter if you can't do anything with them, right?

I'm surrounded by a world of retards. When are people going to see that this isn't a console? It's a novelty, a toy, like the Virtual Boy, and it has no future in serious gaming. And if this is the future... theBOX had the 3rd generation market for itself.. for a year..

and its still losing money.. it reminds me of Ford and General Motors..

basically the Wii walked into theBOX's room.. and told him: "all your ase are belong to us" ..

If it were up to you, we'd be the Amish.

Do you have any idea what your talking about?

and it seems like only hours ago that you were including the magnavox odyssey into the art producing category you label 'gaming'.

are you even trying to not sound retarded?

I believe in advancement. That doesn't mean that I don't acknowledge predecessors. You want to keep us still, without progress.

Hey, at least I have a standard for graphics. I LIKE my games to have something resembling what it's trying to convey. That's something consoles will never have.

If the graphics begin to start interfering with gameplay, then they need to be improved, I like good graphics, I just don't think they're required for a game to be great.

If the graphics begin to start interfering with gameplay, then they need to be improved, I like good graphics, I just don't think they're required for a game to be great.

That's not what you said before.

That's not what you said before.

I exaggerated and don't even try to criticize me about coherency your barely passing as "lucid" .

theBOX had the 3rd generation market for itself.. for a year..

It's seventh generation. Then again, it must FEEL like the third generation to console gamers :D

I believe in advancement. That doesn't mean that I don't acknowledge predecessors. You want to keep us still, without progress.

¿whiskey tango foxtrot?

either consoles cannot ever meet your standard for graphics or fucking pong is art. these statements cannot both be held at the same time, captain inconsistency.

who has ever said anything about keeping still, anywhere, ever?

What happened to extolling the virtues of the 360?

It's alright, but it looks like it's PC against all consoles, so... *shrug*

Nope. The objective of gaming is to make art.

No. It's not. Maybe to you, but not to most people. The point of gaming is to have FUN.

either consoles cannot ever meet your standard for graphics or fucking pong is art. these statements cannot both be held at the same time, captain inconsistency.

It's not that they can't; it's that they're refusing to. Consoles are CHOOSING to be left behind.

What happened to extolling the virtues of the 360?

why hold one silly position, when you can hold dozens and shift between them at will?

why hold one silly position, when you can hold dozens and shift between them at will?

No, he's consistent in one position.

"THE WII IS BAD BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT RARGH".

No, he's consistent in one position.

"THE WII IS BAD BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT RARGH".

And by extension, consoles suck because I have better hardware in my old Pentium.

Hey, at least I have a standard for graphics. I LIKE my games to have something resembling what it's trying to convey. That's something consoles will never have.
What happened to extolling the virtues of the 360?

It's not that they can't; it's that they're refusing to. Consoles are CHOOSING to be left behind.

that's not what you said before. but even still, you acknowledge that pong is 'gaming'. therefore mere graphics do not necessarily make or break 'gaming'.

is it your position that pong, were it to be created now for the first time, would not be 'gaming'?

is it your position that pong, were it to be created now for the first time, would not be 'gaming'?

Assuming that we still have Half-Life and Oblivion... yep.

that's not what you said before. but even still, you acknowledge that pong is 'gaming'. therefore mere graphics do not necessarily make or break 'gaming'.

is it your position that pong, were it to be created now for the first time, would not be 'gaming'?

Well, clearly they were trying to create art when they were creating Pong. Definitely not anything intended for fun.

Soon I'll be hearing "puts out colours you can't even see" being supported as a good feature. :(

then we'll move on to sound - only audible to dogs!

You guys are just jealous 'cause you don't have this (http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/crysis_new_screenshots/crysis10_large.jpg).

Graphically, that looks better than I do.

Assuming that we still have Half-Life and Oblivion... yep.

so, text based games are right out and always have been?

*Graphics whore alert*
Quick send in the low-def Galactic Federation Marines!!
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/bd/180px-MP2E_art_19.jpg

Soon I'll be hearing "puts out colours you can't even see" being supported as a good feature. :(

:rolleyes: Eventually the graphics won't/can't get better. Then all the companies will have to start thinking about how a game plays again. Nintendo and Sony are just getting a head start. I beat TPF is bitter because he supports the 360, which doesn't have a motion-sensing controller OR a browser (which is not to be underestimated).


Zelda on Wii is a sad attempt to plug their controller, Red Steel was shittacular, Metroid Prime on Wii is a sad attempt to plug their controller, SSB on Wii is a sad attempt to plug their controller.

:eek: OMG. Wii games will use the Wii-mote. I never knew. You'll be telling me that Crysis will be played with a mouse next.

The Wii is taking press and interest away from SERIOUS development in gaming. You know that whole motion sensor shit? They have those at arcades. It wasn't spectacular then, and believe it or not, it ain't spectacular now.

:rolleyes: Because the local papers all ditched their weekly article on Mass Effect to report on the Wii.

But ever since Sony said they weren't going to copy Blu-Ray discs for porn companies, I've been convinced that Blu-Ray is going to be on the losing end of the high def DVD war. So much for that added value in the PS3.

<insert Giant Enemy Crab joke here>


That is why Wii is such an amazing idea, and I hope it works. Now all we need are some awesome games, a VR helmet and a console that is able to run them.

Virtual Boy tried that.... turns out that being isolated from people while playing games doesn't work too well.

On the other hand, I can see an upside; if all consoles go the way of the Wii, the high-tech stuff will be left for the PC. So I'll be playing Crysis on Ultra High setting with HDR lighting and 8xAA, while y'all be playing... the chimp-painting.

If you want to shoot people with awesome graphics... go out and buy a gun

http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/games/pong/pong2.jpg

QFT

If the graphics begin to start interfering with gameplay, then they need to be improved, I like good graphics, I just don't think they're required for a game to be great.

QFT

Floating heads?

Power.

Power.

...not really. I still play my Super Nintendo. It sees more use than my XBox at any rate.

And I can't tell because the 360 can't do PC graphics?

No, it can't. DX10 is the death of the current consoles. Outdated barely after they're released. Sweet victory.

You guys are just jealous 'cause you don't have this (http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/crysis_new_screenshots/crysis10_large.jpg).


Floating heads?

And by extension, consoles suck because I have better hardware in my old Pentium.

Who needs optimisation when we can leave the code a mess and make them pay for a new computer. That's the spirit :rolleyes: Raw power over efficiency!

Hey, at least I have a standard for graphics. I LIKE my games to have something resembling what it's trying to convey. That's something consoles will never have.
http://xbox360.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/38992/mc_h2_h3.jpg

This looks like a cyborg in battle armour? Are you saying it's supposed to be something different? And I can't tell because the 360 can't do PC graphics?

No, it can't. DX10 is the death of the current consoles. Outdated barely after they're released. Sweet victory.

All hardware is outdated barely after it's released. Try again.

So once DX10 comes out all graphics on consoles will instantly melt into goo and I won't be able to tell my hand from my head from my gun? How does that work?

DX10 graphics will blow away anything the consoles can produce.

You guys are just jealous 'cause you don't have this (http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/crysis_new_screenshots/crysis10_large.jpg).

Graphically, that looks better than I do.

I guess you were in some sort of disfiguring accident then... because it still looks fake to me. Wow I can see pock marks on his face.... I really don't care about that unless it has some sort of relevance to the game.

DX10 graphics will blow away anything the consoles can produce.

Graphics don't make the game. If they do, explain why emulation is so popular.

Graphics don't make the game. If they do, explain why emulation is so popular.

Because people would rather play console games on PC than on the console.

No, it can't. DX10 is the death of the current consoles. Outdated barely after they're released. Sweet victory.

So once DX10 comes out all graphics on consoles will instantly melt into goo and I won't be able to tell my hand from my head from my gun? How does that work?


EDIT: It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck... it's a duck.... but when DX10 is unleashed... it instantly becomes a cow that looks like a duck :D

Because people would rather play console games on PC than on the console.

This is just my preference. But I rather them on the console. I hate keyboards for console games, and I just plain prefer them on the TV with a real controller.

Because people would rather play console games on PC than on the console.

You're making the assumption that it has nothing to do with the availability of games online rather than the ones they happen to have on them.

Answer the question. If graphics are so important, why do people keep playing emulated games? Your answer is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the question at hand, so try again.

Umm, why are you guys even still in this pissing match?

While most of us realize that graphics aren't the end-all and be-all of games - after all, games are meant to simply have fun, enjoy yourself, rather it be computer, console, board, roleplay, text, or anything else - he simply wants to have a pissing match... and that's exactly what you're giving him. Stop giving him attention and he'll go away soon enough, and tomorrow realize he made himself look like a fool in a pissing match online that really doesn't matter except to people who have no life outside of the PC and console games.

Umm, why are you guys even still in this pissing match?

While most of us realize that graphics aren't the end-all and be-all of games - after all, games are meant to simply have fun, enjoy yourself, rather it be computer, console, board, roleplay, text, or anything else - he simply wants to have a pissing match... and that's exactly what you're giving him. Stop giving him attention and he'll go away soon enough, and tomorrow realize he made himself look like a fool in a pissing match online that really doesn't matter except to people who have no life outside of the PC and console games.actually I think he (potatoBOXfan) is a sore loser.. sour grapes.. reality is sinking.. people likes better the Wii.

BTW when Nintendo first showed pictures of its new Controller.. I remember NS BOXfans laughing at it.. ridiculing it.. saying this shitty-ugly remote-like was going to be the last nail on the Nintendo coffin..

>> shitty ugly controller potato? not quite.
the "remote" is turning heads in Redmond-land.. just like the Ipod

actually I think he (potatoBOXfan) is a sore loser.. sour grapes.. reality is sinking.. people likes better the Wii.

BTW when Nintendo first showed pictures of its new Controller.. I remember NS BOXfans laughing at it.. ridiculing it.. saying this shitty-ugly remote-like was going to be the last nail on the Nintendo coffin..

>> shitty ugly controller potato? not quite.
the "remote" is turning heads in Redmond-land.. just like the Ipod

Listen, you can have your faux gaming. Us real gamers will keep playing real games.

Ah, yes, faux gaming.

So... what does 250 Washingtons buy you in the PC world?

Ah, yes, faux gaming.

So... what does 250 Washingtons buy you in the PC world?

A sweet processor.

A sweet processor.

Aww... not even a whole computer?!

Listen, you can have your faux gaming. Us real gamers will keep playing real games.I have 1 box and 2 generations of Playstation an Nintendo and.. I play most of my games online(PC).

but that is not going to stop me from acknowledging the wii -fun- factor..

It's fun for stupid little games like table tennis and bowling, but no serious game can really be played on that thing. It's like playing Doom with a steering wheel.

*ahem*
Twilight Princess

*ahem*
Twilight Princess

You're trying to debate using a game that hasn't changed in the last 15 years?

You're trying to debate using a game that hasn't changed in the last 15 years?

You're telling me that no serious game can be used on the Wii, and I'm saying that it can because a game like Zelda involved so many different button combinations and twirls and the like before the Wii even came. Hell, the development team stopped production mid game to adapt the whole thing to the new Wii controls and theres not one manuever that isnt intuitive.

So, no, its not like playing doom with a steering wheel because there are so many different ways of using the controller to do the same job.

You're telling me that no serious game can be used on the Wii, and I'm saying that it can because a game like Zelda involved so many different button combinations and twirls and the like before the Wii even came. Hell, the development team stopped production mid game to adapt the whole thing to the new Wii controls and theres not one manuever that isnt intuitive.

So, no, its not like playing doom with a steering wheel because there are so many different ways of using the controller to do the same job.

Uh-huh. So they're DUMBING GAMES DOWN for their console. Pathetic. Just like Oblivion.

Besides, Zelda is a Nintendo game. You're telling me that every port, every multi platform game, every EA Sports, will play like that on the Wii?

Uh-huh. So they're DUMBING GAMES DOWN for their console. Pathetic. Just like Oblivion.

How are they dumbing games down by introducing simpler controller layouts for the user? I can see how making a control scheme simpler for a button-mashing game (or at least a button-using game) could make the game simpler, but even the "read 4 pages of instructions on how to use each little button in game" Madden '07 (which is a really broken and tacked-on game, for the record) utilizes each control aspect the likes of a 360 or ps3

Uh-huh. So they're DUMBING GAMES DOWN for their console. Pathetic. Just like Oblivion.

Besides, Zelda is a Nintendo game. You're telling me that every port, every multi platform game, every EA Sports, will play like that on the Wii?
Oblivion? I very much regret that I didn't get that for the 360, mostly because I like to spend more time playing a game rather than waiting for areas to load, thank you very much. Yes, my computer is rather crappy, but when a crap computer costs 3 times as much as the best console...

Oblivion? I very much regret that I didn't get that for the 360, mostly because I like to spend more time playing a game rather than waiting for areas to load, thank you very much. Yes, my computer is rather crappy, but when a crap computer costs 3 times as much as the best console...

Yeah, excluding the ps3, which is really overpriced to begin with (good job of sticking with blu-ray, Sony. way to drive up the price...)

speaking of old bullshit, i really got sick and tired of numerous patches and "expansions" for PC games only to find out that, after waiting forever for the patch to download and install, that it doesnt really stop other bugs and cheaters that it didnt mean to fix. so then i have to get another patch.

yeah, this goes for consoles too, but at least with the Wii you have the possibility (please do this, Nintendo) of downloading new patches that you play often online even when the console is "off"

Oblivion? I very much regret that I didn't get that for the 360, mostly because I like to spend more time playing a game rather than waiting for areas to load, thank you very much. Yes, my computer is rather crappy, but when a crap computer costs 3 times as much as the best console...

You spent ~3000 on a computer? What are you, a sucker?

Go back to your FPSs and RTSs PC boy.

You're taunting me by pointing out that I play the best genres? You're a fricken' genius :rolleyes:

Twilight Princess hasn't changed in the last fifteen years? huh, I thought it was a new Wii launch title... guess I was wrong, and Zelda franchise is 20 years old, and still pushes amazing quasi-RPG, with puzzles that are reminiscent, yet refreshingly new... seriously, all the crazy good stuff you can do in TP that you can't do in other Zelda's, yet the classic feel... talk about a near perfect game!

Except it's the same damn game. With slightly better graphics. Emphasize the "slightly."

indeed the wii wont work well with a proper game. I dobt you ever have something like morrowind/oblivion on something like the wii.


go ahead. i've already done that.

merely because the Wiimote CAN be that thing called innovative (rather than the Xbox 3-sucksty, and the PS3, which use a heavily modified, but still cognated NES controller), does not mean that a game MUST use the motion sensitive technology, indeed, if a game were to disable that function it would work almost exactly as the standard design that is over 20 years old (only, because of the seperable hand parts, it would be much more comfortable, it is soooo nice playing Zelda), speaking of Zelda, how could Oblivion (graphics notwithstanding) not run using the Wiimotes '-ness'? Zelda did an amazing job, and the innovative qualities of using the bow are amazing (not to mention the standard FPS... which, when they come out with a really good one to have multiplayer... kiss Halo goodbye)

And how is it 'gimmicky' it is merely presenting a new side to videogaming, much as the analog stick did, no one would call the N64 'gimmicky' now because the joystick is standard (another stolen Nintendo innovation)

better graphics are not innovation, as they do not change the course of gameplay (and the Wii intends to base its games off of more than only sex, blood, and sports... that thing that was forgotten with the N64... you know, good gameplay)

sorry for the intense ranting, but I won't revise it because I am lazy

I really love how Sony takes an old Dual Shock controller from the PS2 era, slaps a few motion sensors (A LA NINTENDO, folks) into the body of it, ships it out with the PS3, and calls it "new." And then has the gusto to deny that the new controller had anything to do with the Wii.

Oh, and then slaps down the $600 price tag. As if the "where have i seen this before" factor didn't give us a kick in the nads.

You spent ~3000 on a computer? What are you, a sucker?
Consoles don't cost a grand. I can't remember how much mine cost, but pretty much every computer around nowdays is in the 1500-2500 price range, in my experience. In PC Powerplay magazine, their uber-good-value/performance computer, which requires going around and buying all the different parts, costs like $2000 or something.

You're trying to debate using a game that hasn't changed in the last 15 years?

It's changed. The template hasn't really though. I hear Majora's Mask was different and cool though.

It's changed. The template hasn't really though. I hear Majora's Mask was different and cool though.

No, the template really hasn't changed, but what about PC FPSs, which are the bread and butter of the online PC gaming world? (excluding the crack addiction also known as WoW to some people)

You're trying to debate using a game that hasn't changed in the last 15 years?

Twilight Princess hasn't changed in the last fifteen years? huh, I thought it was a new Wii launch title... guess I was wrong, and Zelda franchise is 20 years old, and still pushes amazing quasi-RPG, with puzzles that are reminiscent, yet refreshingly new... seriously, all the crazy good stuff you can do in TP that you can't do in other Zelda's, yet the classic feel... talk about a near perfect game!

Consoles don't cost a grand. I can't remember how much mine cost, but pretty much every computer around nowdays is in the 1500-2500 price range, in my experience. In PC Powerplay magazine, their uber-good-value/performance computer, which requires going around and buying all the different parts, costs like $2000 or something.

The PS3, which is the best console technically, costs AUD1000 for the 60GB model.

It's changed. The template hasn't really though. If it aint broke don't fix it. Go back to your FPSs and RTSs PC boy.

:fluffle: funny, cause you know, FPS, and RTS have changed since their inception... lol (obvious sarcasm, and agreement with your point)

Please don't! Make sure the game is as good as possible, then release it. I don't want any of my 512MB to go to waste. I need every last bit of it (pun intended).

But you know there are the inevitable bugs (and cheaters that use them) that need to be fixed.

Case in Point: Halo 2's Rocket Launcher-Plasma Sword bug.

The next great innovation in PC gaming is/will be proper scale in RTSs *nods*

We focus on SOFTWARE innovation. AI, and such? We don't need to swing around vibrators.

He said best. He didn't say most powerful.

So either way, he's getting ripped off.

... then applies them to technologies that are far overhyped and priced (like their new processor and blu-rays that need months more coding just for the same game on a 360 or Wii) and prices it out of the range of sane-type people that arent willing to spend too much on a console...

then they call it new.

yeah, this goes for consoles too, but at least with the Wii you have the possibility (please do this, Nintendo) of downloading new patches that you play often online even when the console is "off"

Please don't! Make sure the game is as good as possible, then release it. I don't want any of my 512MB to go to waste. I need every last bit of it (pun intended).

:fluffle: funny, cause you know, FPS, and RTS have changed since their inception... lol (obvious sarcasm, and agreement with your point)

The next great innovation in PC gaming is/will be proper scale in RTSs *nods*

He said best. He didn't say most powerful. Gaming is about the games (amazingly), not the hardware.

I thought games weren't art? *obvious burn on Roger Ebert*

Funny because "gaming" actually (nearly) has the sound "game" in there... where do i hear graphics?

The PS3, which is the best console technically, costs AUD1000 for the 60GB model.
Point taken, but who's actually going to need a 60GB hard drive? The 20GB version is the same as the 360 premium system, so I'm going by that. I retract my earlier statement: say twice as much, I was exaggerating, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a new computer for $1000 that plays anything less than 4 years old.

I really love how Sony takes an old Dual Shock controller from the PS2 era, slaps a few motion sensors (A LA NINTENDO, folks) into the body of it, ships it out with the PS3, and calls it "new." And then has the gusto to deny that the new controller had anything to do with the Wii.

Oh, and then slaps down the $600 price tag. As if the "where have i seen this before" factor didn't give us a kick in the nads.

yep, not to mention, that the PS2 era controller was borrowed form the PS1 era, when PS stole the joystick idea from the N64 (before the PS 1 used dual analog though, it resembled a SNES controller almost perfectly, so that can be dated back even to NES)... wow, PS uses really good, new, innovative ideas that are the collections of other peoples good ideas over the past 20 years....

The PS3, which is the best console technically, costs AUD1000 for the 60GB model.

He said best. He didn't say most powerful. Gaming is about the games (amazingly), not the hardware.

Please don't! Make sure the game is as good as possible, then release it. I don't want any of my 512MB to go to waste. I need every last bit of it (pun intended).

you really need have little concern, Nintendo does that crappy thing called 'making sure their hardware/software works right the FIRST time' I don't know what they are trying to pull with their quality products... if you don't send your console back at least twice for manufacturing failures, then it is jsut no good.... (*ahem* burn on Xbox+360+PS3 *ahem*)

not to most 'gamers' as they would comically call themselves, if it does not include the most realistic blood-splatter effects (with, naturally copious amounts of blood) then it is only for children anyway right, and fun has nothing to do with anyhting....

You've managed to ignore the post where I stated that I enjoyed Katamari Damacy.

Potato Factory, what do you think of Civilization 4 and the Civ series in general?

It's not like you can swing around a PS3 controller to have a sword fight...

But you can pull it back to hike the ball in Madden... and thats about it. Way to go, Sony. You've made your launch controller gimmicky, and its not even Christmas 07.

Potato Factory, what do you think of Civilization 4 and the Civ series in general?

They're awesome.

He said best. He didn't say most powerful. Gaming is about the games (amazingly), not the hardware.

not to most 'gamers' as they would comically call themselves, if it does not include the most realistic blood-splatter effects (with, naturally copious amounts of blood) then it is only for children anyway right, and fun has nothing to do with anyhting....

I hear that the PS3 launch in Japan was even more pathetic... 5 games, including one Mahjong Fight Club.

Tell me that doesnt wet your pants thinking about it. :rolleyes:

You've managed to ignore the post where I stated that I enjoyed Katamari Damacy.

I read the first 2 pages, and started posting... so ingored is entirely not the correct term... perhaps 'stand in ignorance' and besides, I was actually responding to someone elses statement, not you directly....

I was somewhat turned off by the graphical style of 4 (though I haven't played it) is it any good? I really enjoyed 3... how would you compare/contrast the two?

4 is much better. Much better AI, excellent scenarios. If you're willing to shell out extra for Warlords, the vassal system is awesome.

They aren't releasing the 20GB over here. Unless demand for it suddenly appears and is big. Also I hear Sony keep saying that you'll need that 60GB eventually.... and the 20GB can't do WiFi.

After you're done downloading all of the software patches and random bullshit that Sony pulls, yeah, you'll use that 60GB.

then Sony will release a hard drive... for $200. or maybe a blu-ray writer for $300.

I've never had a console. Therefore, I don't know what people are whining about. Is it so awful to have to stand up to play video games?

you could but it wouldn't feel right, and you'd only be able to reach about 3 buttons.

if you didnt let go of teh damned thing...

there isnt even a strap for the ps3, anyway! hmm...

Potato Factory, what do you think of Civilization 4 and the Civ series in general?

I was somewhat turned off by the graphical style of 4 (though I haven't played it) is it any good? I really enjoyed 3... how would you compare/contrast the two?

Point taken, but who's actually going to need a 60GB hard drive? The 20GB version is the same as the 360 premium system, so I'm going by that. I retract my earlier statement: say twice as much, I was exaggerating, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a new computer for $1000 that plays anything less than 4 years old.

They aren't releasing the 20GB over here. Unless demand for it suddenly appears and is big. Also I hear Sony keep saying that you'll need that 60GB eventually.... and the 20GB can't do WiFi.

that, and the PS3 controller only actually has six axial tilt-ness... not full motion range with a 'point-o-meter' (as I just now spontasneously dubbed the sensor apparatus of the Wiimore)

Not to mention you cant use that six axis for anything real useful... like i said, gimmicky after 3 months

It's not like you can swing around a PS3 controller to have a sword fight...

you could but it wouldn't feel right, and you'd only be able to reach about 3 buttons.

4 is much better. Much better AI, excellent scenarios. If you're willing to shell out extra for Warlords, the vassal system is awesome.
Aha. Observe.

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/91/news2/22479_5.jpg

Not particularly impressive, compared to, say, this.

http://www.gamecaptain.de/galleries/2585/63gr.jpg

In fact, not particularly impressive compared to most games out there today. So, why do you play such an ugly game? Could it possibly be because *gasp* it has good gameplay? :eek:

how on Earth could a console only launch iwth five titles at this point? I mean really... even Microsoft did better than that!

1)Japan is in love with Nintendo.
2)Paying 72,500 Yen for a console is BIT much.

you could but it wouldn't feel right, and you'd only be able to reach about 3 buttons.

that, and the PS3 controller only actually has six axial tilt-ness... not full motion range with a 'point-o-meter' (as I just now spontasneously dubbed the sensor apparatus of the Wiimore)

Aha. Observe.

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/91/news2/22479_5.jpg

Not particularly impressive, compared to, say, this.

http://www.gamecaptain.de/galleries/2585/63gr.jpg

In fact, not particularly impressive compared to most games out there today. So, why do you play such an ugly game? Could it possibly be because *gasp* it has good gameplay? :eek:

Except that I've got a GeForce 8800GTX. It looks fricken' great on my system.

Besides, different genres have different standards. A strategic game, where most of the action is being done by small polygons representing units, doesn't need state-of-the-art graphics (although, CoH made me think twice about that standard).

that, and the PS3 controller only actually has six axial tilt-ness... not full motion range with a 'point-o-meter' (as I just now spontasneously dubbed the sensor apparatus of the Wiimore)

You forgot the six-axis motion sensing in the nunchuck.

:eek: You could make your own wii-mote by stapling an IR camera to two PS3 controllers.

I hear that the PS3 launch in Japan was even more pathetic... 5 games, including one Mahjong Fight Club.

Tell me that doesnt wet your pants thinking about it. :rolleyes:

how on Earth could a console only launch iwth five titles at this point? I mean really... even Microsoft did better than that!

Honestly, who is dumb enough to have the thought process, 'well, I swing the controller and action happens... maybe I should try letting go' although whats ironic is that if Sony did add swing function, and someone broke thier tv, Sony wouldn't get sued because they didn't have a safety device that was 'faulty' (not that the launch Wiimote strap is), it would be the players fault for LETTING GO OF THE CONTROLLER!!!

Most American gamers. :D

And people like this:
http://www.stellaawards.com/

if you didnt let go of teh damned thing...

there isnt even a strap for the ps3, anyway! hmm...

Honestly, who is dumb enough to have the thought process, 'well, I swing the controller and action happens... maybe I should try letting go' although whats ironic is that if Sony did add swing function, and someone broke thier tv, Sony wouldn't get sued because they didn't have a safety device that was 'faulty' (not that the launch Wiimote strap is), it would be the players fault for LETTING GO OF THE CONTROLLER!!!

This thread is angering Chronos!!!