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Would you?

Absolutely not.

Most definately. Make it 5 million and I'll eat it.

All life is sacred. Heaven is worth more than any worldly sum.

All life is sacred. Heaven is worth more than any worldly sum.

So... you do not eat ?

All life is sacred. Heaven is worth more than any worldly sum.

What if it was a sodomite puppy?

sure i would. as long as i was assured that i woudl really get the money and that i could kill it any way i chose.

No, I would not.

I'd kill my own mother for a million dollars, then again I would probably kill her for less.

No, it'd be selling out your humanity, I think.

I'd kill my own mother for a million dollars, then again I would probably kill her for less.

I've got some pr0n. Will that be enough?

Yes, unless I could get more by leaving it alive.

I'd kill my own mother for a million dollars, then again I would probably kill her for less.

lol some people would pay to have it done.

All life is sacred. Heaven is worth more than any worldly sum.

Wait. Do you eat? Are you a vegan? Plants are living things too, you know.

What if it was a sodomite puppy?

Zing!

No, I wouldn't do it but I'm feeling like a hypocrite. I have no problem eating animals as long as somebody else kills them but I wouldn't do it myself.

Conceivably. Would it be right? Probably not, at least assuming I spent the million dollars for personal benefit. Then again, our society apparently thinks that the mass industrialized slaughter and consumption of non-human animals is perfectly acceptable, so if it's wrong, I'm at least not the only one.

Tough decision. In my current circumstances no. In others, possibly, even probably.

i'd kill a million puppies for a million dollars ;)

Could you make that 1 million Euros, please?
Yes, I would. As long as I don't have to kill it in a particularly messy way.

I'd do it to random puppies on the off-chance there was a reward for doing it.

Yes and give half the money to a puppy based charity, saving more puppys then I had killed.

No. Absolutely not.

No. Absolutely not.

Why not, if I may ask?

Seriously, could you bring yourself to kill this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aHmyjCkyU)?

Why not, if I may ask?

Life > money that I don't need. And I don't think I have it in me to kill anything unless I need it for food.

Seriously, could you bring yourself to kill this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aHmyjCkyU)?

Yes.

Seriously, could you bring yourself to kill this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aHmyjCkyU)?

sure could. id put it in a gunny sack and toss it into the river.

Yes.

You, sir, are mean.

If you answered yes but don't actually need the money: You win 'consumerist' of the year award'

I'm a die hard capitalist but some people's attitudes here make me cry for puppies. It's sad that people value extravagance over life.

I'm a strong believer in earning your money

Seriously, could you bring yourself to kill this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aHmyjCkyU)?

can i throw it in a bath of boiling oil?:cool:

I have a question: For all those people who say no, but still eat meat...

How are you morally superior?

I mean, a cow is an animal.
It's not uncommon that they're killed.
Now you're all "Oh No! Heaven forbid we kill a puppy!!"
I'm sorry, but could someone explain??

That's why I'm a vegetarian! :D

So, if you didn't care to read that and got drawn to it by the :D my answer is no.

If it was in Pounds, then yeah, I'll do it. Assuming I get to choose my method of execution, namely dismemberment by saw and then boiling it in fry oil.

You, sir, are mean.

Meh. It's just a dog. I care about humans, but not dogs. I am more important than a dog, and that is that.

If it were a human, the answer would be completely different.

Meh. It's just a dog. I care about humans, but not dogs. I am more important than a dog, and that is that.

If it were a human, the answer would be completely different.

Correct, albeit it would depend on the human...

If you answered yes but don't actually need the money: You win 'consumerist' of the year award'

I'm a die hard capitalist but some people's attitudes here make me cry for puppies. It's sad that people value extravagance over life.

I'm a strong believer in earning your money

i kill mice, i kill snakes. food animals are killed on my behalf. i play the lottery. i dont see that i would be able to resist the chance to better my families circumstances.

I have a question: For all those people who say no, but still eat meat...

How are you morally superior?

I mean, a cow is an animal.
It's not uncommon that they're killed.
Now you're all "Oh No! Heaven forbid we kill a puppy!!"
I'm sorry, but could someone explain??

That's why I'm a vegetarian! :D

So, if you didn't care to read that and got drawn to it by the :D my answer is no.

Well, I just have a soft spot for dogs I guess, since they're companion animals capable of developing a sense of loyalty, love and trust, etc.. Killing something like that would weigh on my conscience.

Had the OP said something else like a cat, or baby, I'd have voted "yes".

Would you?

If winning $1mil was the only objective of the killing, then no.

Is this a trick question? It seems so easy.

Well, I just have a soft spot for dogs I guess, since they're companion animals capable of developing a sense of loyalty, love and trust, etc..

Had the OP said something else like a cat, or baby, I'd have voted "yes".

you would kill a baby and not a dog?:confused:

I can justify it morally - I've no problem with the slaughter of animals to make myself more comfortable or less hungry, so I can't really say it would be any more wrong to kill one puppy for a massive increase in my comfort and all the food I could ever eat guarunteed.


But... I'm not sure I could do it. Puppies are just so damned cute and innocent. Hell, they're better than human babies. It'd be tough to me to actually have to kill one. Maybe if the process was abstracted, as in push the button, you know you killed a puppy, but you never had to see it kind of thing?

If winning $1mil was the only objective of the killing, then no.

Why else would you kill a puppy?

you would kill a baby and not a dog?:confused:

Yes. In fact, I'd go father than that. I'd eat it. Alive.

Meh. It's just a dog. I care about humans, but not dogs. I am more important than a dog, and that is that.

If it were a human, the answer would be completely different.

Fair enough. It was only a joke :p Each to their own. Personally, no, I don't think I could.

i kill mice, i kill snakes. food animals are killed on my behalf. i play the lottery. i dont see that i would be able to resist the chance to better my families circumstances.

It isn't the stupid puppy thats the issue. Its the fact that you'd have the mindset to kill an innocent animal (damn, I sound like a PETA nutter now) just for wealth. Killing it for food is a different kettle of fish, and don't say that you'd eat it afterwards.

I have a question: For all those people who say no, but still eat meat...

How are you morally superior?

I mean, a cow is an animal.
It's not uncommon that they're killed.
Now you're all "Oh No! Heaven forbid we kill a puppy!!"
I'm sorry, but could someone explain??


Because killing to eat and killing for money/fun/whatever are completely different things.

It isn't the stupid puppy thats the issue. Its the fact that you'd have the mindset to kill an innocent animal (damn, I sound like a PETA nutter now) just for wealth. Killing it for food is a different kettle of fish, and don't say that you'd eat it afterwards.

so you find farming and ranching to be immoral?

Because killing to eat and killing for money/fun/whatever are completely different things.

One can buy food with the money. And improve the lives of at least two puppies.

lol some people would pay to have it done.

He said mother, not mother-in-law.:p

One can buy food with the money. And improve the lives of at least two puppies.

You'd spend a million dollars on food?

You'd spend a million dollars on food?

Nope. But if someone claims that killing a puppy for food would be ok, why would killing it for food and more be wrong ?

so you find farming and ranching to be immoral?

No, I make a distinction between murder and slaughter for food.

Absolutely positively indefinitely not!

Give me a loaded gun and a suitcase with the cash and I'd be good to go.

Wait. Do you eat? Are you a vegan? Plants are living things too, you know.

It would be a shame to allow a murdered being to go to waste; thus, I do eat meat. However, I never kill my own food.

Nope. But if someone claims that killing a puppy for food would be ok, why would killing it for food and more be wrong ?

Because you stand to make a personal gain from the death of something. True, I could spend the rest of the money helping more puppies - but I could do that now anyway, without a million dollars or a dead dog.

It would be a shame to allow a murdered being to go to waste; thus, I do eat meat.

Then you contribute to the demand of meat, thus increasing the incentive to produce more of it, and kill more animals in the process.

Because you stand to make a personal gain from the death of something.

Would the puppy care if it dies to feed you or if it dies to feed you as well as make you (and possibly several other puppies) comfortable for the rest of your life ?
The second death actually seems less of a waste of life to me.

Then you contribute to the demand of meat, thus increasing the incentive to produce more of it, and kill more animals in the process.

The Bible says "thou shalt not kill." It does not say, "thou shalt not contribute to the demand of meat, thus increasing the incentive to produce more of it, and kill more animals in the process."

The Bible says "thou shalt not kill." It does not say, "thou shalt not contribute to the demand of meat, thus increasing the incentive to produce more of it, and kill more animals in the process."

So you would have no problem with paying someone to kill humans?

The Bible says "thou shalt not kill." It does not say, "thou shalt not contribute to the demand of meat, thus increasing the incentive to produce more of it, and kill more animals in the process."

I see. Murder is wrong, but paying someone else to kill for you is not.

With my bare hands.

I'd do it. A dog is just a dog to me. The idea that animals are to be cherished and protected is a rather new concept. I dont even think that I would have a problem with fur if they didnt do it so cruelly. It all depends on the weapon. If I could poison or shoot the puppy, sure. If I had to use somethng like a screwdriver or nail-file, no.

Without hesitation. I already eat meat on a daily basis. What’s the difference? Plus, it's a million dollars.

So you would have no problem with paying someone to kill humans?

Of course I'd have a problem with that -- it's murder!

Would the puppy care if it dies to feed you or if it dies to feed you as well as make you (and possibly several other puppies) comfortable for the rest of your life ?
The second death actually seems less of a waste of life to me.

Well if someone killed me I'd damn well care! IMO it's no different. I don't see humans as being any more important than any other animal. I wouldn't kill anything for a million dollars.

Of course I'd have a problem with that -- it's murder!

So you have no problem with paying someone to murder animals, but have a problem with paying someone to murder humans - even though you already declared that ALL life is sacred?

I'd do it. A dog is just a dog to me. The idea that animals are to be cherished and protected is a rather new concept. I dont even think that I would have a problem with fur if they didnt do it so cruelly. It all depends on the weapon. If I could poison or shoot the puppy, sure. If I had to use somethng like a screwdriver or nail-file, no.

I cherish dogs more than I do most humans, but I've always been a bit of a misanthrope.

Well if someone killed me I'd damn well care! IMO it's no different. I don't see humans as being any more important than any other animal.

Ok. Lets change the question.
Which is the lesser waste: to die to save the life of 1 person or to die to save that persons life and ensure his future wellbeing ?

So you have no problem with paying someone to murder animals

No, I pay someone for a murdered animal, I don't pay them to murder an animal. I never frequent dining institutions where your food is killed then prepared (like the places where you can pick which lobster you want to eat); that's morally abhorrent.

No, I pay someone for a murdered animal, I don't pay them to murder an animal.

Yes, you do. The two are one and the same in this instance. Why do you think they murder animals? Because people like you buy them.

Whoa, I didn't expect to start a moral ethics debate! Well, I guess I had it coming.

Anyway, for myself, I wouldn't be able to do it. Small puppies are just way too cute, and innocent. Besides, I don't really need a million dollars - I'd just take the puppy.

Yep.

Especially if I could decide not only the method of killing it but which puppy. Then I'd just go to the pound, find a sick one, and gas it humanely. It's gonna' die anyway, people.

Yes, you do. The two are one and the same in this instance. Why do you think they murder animals? Because people like you buy them.

Don't bother, logic can't defeat doublethink.

I live out in the country and people constantly dump dogs and cats. The first farmer that sees them shoots them. I get my share regularly. I wish someone would just pay for the shells.

No, I pay someone for a murdered animal, I don't pay them to murder an animal. I never frequent dining institutions where your food is killed then prepared (like the places where you can pick which lobster you want to eat); that's morally abhorrent.

The only difference between the two is that you are picking which animal to kill, instead of getting a randomly assigned animal that was killed.

They both produce the same overall general outcome: an animal is killed for your benefit. Neither is morally worse/better than the other.

Yes, you do. The two are one and the same in this instance. Why do you think they murder animals? Because people like you buy them.

And people like me. Humans have dominion over the earth, and all of its creatures are subservent to them. The animals are there for our nourishment. We kill them to eat -- that is their purpose. All other purposes are secondary or to further that main purpose. The purposes they have to sustain the ecosystem is only to preserve our ability to eat and survive.

Why do you think they murder animals?

The most likely reason is that they are atheists whose ears are closed to the word of our Lord; otherwise, they are sinners who willingly flaunt his dictates. Nonetheless, I do not pay for the murder of animals -- I pay to purchase an already dead animal. It's a very elementary distinction. I don't go to my supermarket and ask the grocer if he can shoot me a cow -- I buy an already dead cow (well, not an entire cow, obviously, as that would be difficult to consume prior to the expiration date, but a specific portion of a cow's body).

The most likely reason is that they are atheists whose ears are closed to the word of our Lord; otherwise, they are sinners who willingly flaunt his dictates.

Being an atheist has no relevance pertaining to the slaughter of animals.

Nonetheless, I do not pay for the murder of animals -- I pay to purchase an already dead animal. It's a very elementary distinction. I don't go to my supermarket and ask the grocer if he can shoot me a cow -- I buy an already dead cow (well, not an entire cow, obviously, as that would be difficult to consume prior to the expiration date, but a specific portion of a cow's body).

What's the difference? Again, the only difference is that you do not pick which cow is killed for you, and that difference is trivial. A cow is being slaughtered for your benefit. The outcomes are the same, all differences between them are morally trivial.

It's a very elementary distinction.

Yes, and also a useless and irrelevant one that's completely irrelevant to the moral implications of the action.

They are killing animals so that you can buy them. It follows that you're paying for their deaths. It's that simple.

Yes, and also a useless and irrelevant one that's completely irrelevant to the moral implications of the action.

They are killing animals so that you can buy them. It follows that you're paying for their deaths. It's that simple.

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It's elementary, my dear Watson.

Interesting tidbit of information irrelevant to this thread: "It's elementary, my dear Watson," one of Sherlock Holmes' most famous phrases, is not actually part of the Doyle canon.

The most likely reason is that they are atheists whose ears are closed to the word of our Lord; otherwise, they are sinners who willingly flaunt his dictates. Nonetheless, I do not pay for the murder of animals -- I pay to purchase an already dead animal. It's a very elementary distinction. I don't go to my supermarket and ask the grocer if he can shoot me a cow -- I buy an already dead cow (well, not an entire cow, obviously, as that would be difficult to consume prior to the expiration date, but a specific portion of a cow's body).

Sinners who you support. The grocer you buy part of the cow from will keep some of your money and use the rest to pay his suppliers, who in turn will keep some and use the rest to pay whoever it is farms and butchers those cows. You might not put the money straight into their hands, but you're still paying them for what they do, which is fatten cows and kill them to sell the meat.

No, I pay someone for a murdered animal, I don't pay them to murder an animal. I never frequent dining institutions where your food is killed then prepared (like the places where you can pick which lobster you want to eat); that's morally abhorrent.

Wait. What?

I mean, a cow is an animal.
It's not uncommon that they're killed.
Now you're all "Oh No! Heaven forbid we kill a puppy!!"
I'm sorry, but could someone explain??


Puppies are smarter than cows. They also serve purposes other than food. If I don't eat cows, I'm effectively denying them their destiny.

Puppies are smarter than cows. They also serve purposes other than food. If I don't eat cows, I'm effectively denying them their destiny.

Puppies don't make for good hamburgers, either. You make that mistake once and you don't make it again. Not even for a million dollars.

Anyways, I wouldn't. I would kill the person who offered the opportunity and take the million dollars. They're probably a sociopath.

They are killing animals so that you can buy them. It follows that you're paying for their deaths. It's that simple.

There are always going to be blasphemers who murder animals without moral qualms. I, however, take no part in the slaughter nor do I condone it. I do not pay anyone to kill an innocent animal -- I simply employ the remains of the animal to the best of my ability so its death will not have been in vain. It's that simple.

Puppies are smarter than cows. They also serve purposes other than food. If I don't eat cows, I'm effectively denying them their destiny.

Cows are used for milk too, and of course producing more cows. Neitherof which they can do if you eat them. Well, not well ;)

I do not pay anyone to kill an innocent animal -- I simply employ the remains of the animal to the best of my ability so its death will not have been in vain.

No, you reward them for killing it.

Dodge the point as long as you will, but the fact remains that you are rewarding and contributing to something you regard as sinful.

I wouldn't kill any sentient and inocent being for money.

Cows are used for milk too, and of course producing more cows. Neitherof which they can do if you eat them. Well, not well ;)

Cows that are used for food are not used for milk or breeding stock. Especially since most of them are steers. Castrated males.

There are always going to be blasphemers who murder animals without moral qualms. I, however, take no part in the slaughter nor do I condone it. I do not pay anyone to kill an innocent animal -- I simply employ the remains of the animal to the best of my ability so its death will not have been in vain. It's that simple.

I wonder if you would do that if meatballs weren't so darn tasty?

Boy, having been involved in agriculture most of my life, It just totally amazes me how ignorant people can be of how they get food. Not just animal food, but also vegetable based food.

As far as religion is concerned, The Conservative Religious leaders didn't kill Jesus, they hired the government to do it. Pilot didn't kill Jesus, he washed his hands of it. So, by the logic of this thread all of the sin goes to the soldiers that were ordered to do the dirty work while the others benefited. So, all of the sin of death goes to those who produce food, not to those who benefit from the death. Those who go to the store and buy food, are completely separated from the death that has already taken place.

Somehow there seems to be a gap in that logic.

No, you reward them for killing it.

If they cease the senseless slaughter, then heaven will be their reward. That is more incentive than any worldly reward. If I must give a penny to a nihilistic serial killer so as to ensure that the remains of an animal are properly disposed of and its sacrifice remembered and enjoyed, I will do so, and I hope that you will, too.

If the cease the senseless slaughter, then heaven will be their reward. That is more incentive than any worldly reward. If I must give a penny to a nihilistic serial killer so as to ensure that the remains of an animal are properly disposed of and its sacrifice remembered and enjoyed, I will do so, and I hope that you will, too.

Why wouldn't you become a vegetarian and convert others in your community to be vegetarians as well? That way your local supermarket will supply less meat, leading to less meat being slaughtered. Certainly at a negligible percent but a percentage nonetheless.


I'm eating a hamburger.

If I must give a penny to a nihilistic serial killer so as to ensure that the remains of an animal are properly disposed of and its sacrifice remembered and enjoyed

If you cause some of the meat to be wasted, the meat industry will alter its production rates, and fewer animals will be killed.

If you really are against killing animals, you would act to prevent their deaths. You don't. You profit from them and reward their killers for the killing.

Boy, having been involved in agriculture most of my life, It just totally amazes me how ignorant people can be of how they get food. Not just animal food, but also vegetable based food.

As far as religion is concerned, The Conservative Religious leaders didn't kill Jesus, they hired the government to do it. Pilot didn't kill Jesus, he washed his hands of it. So, by the logic of this thread all of the sin goes to the soldiers that were ordered to do the dirty work while the others benefited. So, all of the sin of death goes to those who produce food, not to those who benefit from the death. Those who go to the store and buy food, are completely separated from the death that has already taken place.

Somehow there seems to be a gap in that logic.

Its is a gap that has been put into place deliberately by those who wish to justify their consumption of meat without having to accept that they are responsible, indirectly, for the slaughter of the animals and that they simply do not care.

If you cause some of the meat to be wasted

If I cause some of the meat to be wasted, then an animal's sacrifice will have been for naught. That is not something I am prepared to do.

If I cause some of the meat to be wasted, then an animal's sacrifice will have been for naught. That is not something I am prepared to do.

Ah, I see. You'd rather fund the slaughter of more animals. Got it. That makes lots of sense.

Its is a gap that has been put into place deliberately by those who wish to justify their consumption of meat without having to accept that they are responsible, indirectly, for the slaughter of the animals and that they simply do not care.You mean directly responsible. Demand for meat is the reason for supply of meat.

Anyways, I wouldn't. I would kill the person who offered the opportunity and take the million dollars. They're probably a sociopath.

Good idea. Kill the person, take the money AND the puppy.

You mean directly responsible. Demand for meat is the reason for supply of meat.

No, I mean indirectly, no matter how you feel personally, it is the person who actually kills the animal who directly killed it.

If i could get a million apiece then set me up with an assembly line and ill buy Microsoft by nightfall. It gets easier after the first 200 or so.

Cows that are used for food are not used for milk or breeding stock. Especially since most of them are steers. Castrated males.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but virtually every bovine is eventually eaten. Both male and female, young and old, milk producers or meat producers.

Dairy males are eaten young as veal. Dairy females are usually bred once and their potential for milk production evaluated. Then about the bottom 25% of the milking herd is culled and slaughtered. Some of those will be older cows and some first time heifers.

In beef, the vast majority of males are castrated and go to the feedlots to become top beef. About 90% of the females find the same fate. About 10% of the females become the breeding herd replacements. What do you think they are replacing? Older cows are culled at 7-12 years. Older bulls go with them. They go to the fast food market and cured meat (baloney, hot dog, etc.) market. Animals with disease such as cancer also go to these markets. The diseased tissue is "tanked" but the rest ends up on the McD's Happy Meal.

I could go into more detail, but just accept the fact that all are eaten.

Seriously, could you bring yourself to kill this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aHmyjCkyU)?

Yes! ! don't like the little "rat dogs"

Sorry to pop your bubble, but virtually every bovine is eventually eaten. Both male and female, young and old, milk producers or meat producers.

Dairy males are eaten young as veal. Dairy females are usually bred once and their potential for milk production evaluated. Then about the bottom 25% of the milking herd is culled and slaughtered. Some of those will be older cows and some first time heifers.

In beef, the vast majority of males are castrated and go to the feedlots to become top beef. About 90% of the females find the same fate. About 10% of the females become the breeding herd replacements. What do you think they are replacing? Older cows are culled at 7-12 years. Older bulls go with them. They go to the fast food market and cured meat (baloney, hot dog, etc.) market. Animals with disease such as cancer also go to these markets. The diseased tissue is "tanked" but the rest ends up on the McD's Happy Meal.

I could go into more detail, but just accept the fact that all are eaten.

Oh, I know they're all eaten. The ones that have purposes other than food have generally exhausted their other purposes by the time they have been slaughtered.

If they cease the senseless slaughter, then heaven will be their reward. That is more incentive than any worldly reward. If I must give a penny to a nihilistic serial killer so as to ensure that the remains of an animal are properly disposed of and its sacrifice remembered and enjoyed, I will do so, and I hope that you will, too.

According to what faith are people who kill animals denied salvation or considered sinners?

Oh and yes, provided I could do it fairly cleanly.

According to what faith are people who kill animals denied salvation or considered sinners?

Id bet if someone wacked Noahs animals that God would be PISSED!

I would probabily kill an human for 1 million.

I just wouldnt kill a child.

It depends. If we're assuming that there would be no consequences of the puppy dying other than me receiving one million dollars, then yes I would.

And RuleCaucasia, shut up. I'm a nihilist, you asshole.

Id bet if someone wacked Noahs animals that God would be PISSED!

Gen 8:20 Then Noah built an alter to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the alter.

Noah wacked the animals himself. The grocery store was still a little damp.

Nah, being rich would destroy my street cred. Or something.

Plus, puppies are awesome.

I like to think I would not. I don't imagine I could, looking at a puppy and knowing I was killing a creature, a living, breathing creature for such a material thing. But I don't know. If faced in the situation my impulses may take control. I am only man, after all.

Nope.

Nah, being rich would destroy my street cred. Or something.

Plus, puppies are awesome.

Socialist tendencies? Certainly such an act of killing for money is an act of Capitalism.

I'd do it for 10.000. for a milion I'd do all 100 dalmatians. slowly. AND wear the coat.

Give me a thousand bucks, a club and some puppies.

In beef, the vast majority of males are castrated and go to the feedlots to become top beef. About 90% of the females find the same fate.

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Only if I knew the puppy was a jerk. "What a jerk, to think he ran over some kids in his car and robbed a bank."

Under normal circumstances, no.

Ok. Lets change the question.
Which is the lesser waste: to die to save the life of 1 person or to die to save that persons life and ensure his future wellbeing ?

I know what you're getting at - but if that person didn't need you to die to ensure their future wellbeing then it would be pointless.

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Ok, I should have written the sentence better.

Actually females are fed hormones in feedlots to stop homosexual behavior. That is also the primary reason bulls are castrated. In a feedlot, they would ride the littlest one until they killed him.

For a seven figure sum? Hell yeah! Bearing in mind that I would only do it if I was sure I was going to be paid, and I would do it in a quick and humane manner.

Anyway, the puppy's not like us. It has no keen look at something in the mirror, it has no history books, no photographs, no knowledge of sorrow or regret. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like puppies and all. They're cute and they're horny. And if you're cute and you're horny, then you're probably happy, in that you don't know who you are and why you're even alive. And you just want to have sex, as many times as possible, before you die. I just don't see the point in crying over a dead dog.

Socialist tendencies? Certainly such an act of killing for money is an act of Capitalism.

Not sure how that goes with my street cred comment, but yeah, I do show socialist tendencies in various ways.

I would say that killing for money is an act of greed.

No, I make a distinction between murder and slaughter for food.

the chicken doesnt

Only if it was a pug. God I hate those things...

I'd cut the puppy's head off so quick it wouldn't know what happened, and then to alleviate my guilt over killing it, I'd roast it and have dinner with the homeless.

I'd cut the puppy's head off so quick it wouldn't know what happened, and then to alleviate my guilt over killing it, I'd roast it and have dinner with the homeless.

Another good idea, but I'll combine yours with CthulhuFhtagn's.

Kill the sociopath, take the money, kill the puppy, roast it, feed the homeless. Everyone wins.

Yes, and eat it, too. It's so cuuuute - and tasty! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/irritated.gif

Mmmmm puppy liver is so tender!

Yes.

Certainly.

Yes. I'm a cat person. Dogs suck.

i would definetly not kill the puppy as i am an animal person not just a dog person. And yes there is most definetly a difference in killing for greed and killing for food. While i would kill it if i needed to survive, i would not because of money. I think that just because we are able to recognize our own humanity more so than other animals, it dosen't give us a rite (or at least in my mind) to just kill for a few extra bucks that u would probably make a bit later on in life.

then think about taxes on that million dollars, once the IRS gets hold of it, it aint gonna be no more million dollars. :D

plus the say that u live longer if u have a dog.

Most definately. Make it 5 million and I'll eat it.

LOL! Your sick....I like sick people!

Another good idea, but I'll combine yours with CthulhuFhtagn's.

Kill the sociopath, take the money, kill the puppy, roast it, feed the homeless. Everyone wins.

Bah. Roast the sociopath. You can feed more homeless people that way.

I love animals to death .. but I'm not certain I wouldn't. Put the cash in front of me, guarantee I'd get the cash.. I might would.. I might wouldn't. I cannot and do not know what I would do in that situation... Hey at least I'm honest. I abstain.

Bah. Roast the sociopath. You can feed more homeless people that way.

Kill the sociopath, and sell him to this guy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512766). Use the money to feed the homeless. Feeds even more.:)

For a million dollars in cash I would.

It's not so much the money. I'd kill a puppy for $100. The thing is to me it is just an animal so what's the big deal?

I like animals, but I like eating even more. I wouldnt think twice. I might think twice if it was only 500 dollars, but even that will keep me fed for awhile.

Just thinking about it makes me smile. I wouldnt have to ration my food anymore! I could eat as much as I want.

Only if I got to eat it afterwards. Otherwise...that would just be disrespectful.

Depends on the method. I voted no but realised I probably would if it was just a simple needle or whatever.

Seriously, could you bring yourself to kill this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aHmyjCkyU)?


That's a cute ball of fur, but it's not a puppy. See, puppies grow up to by dogs, and a Pomeranian can never be a dog. IMHO, dogs are supposed to weight more than a loaf of bread, and dogs are supposed to bark, not make a weird "yip" sound.




:D

Would You Kill a Small Puppy for a Million Dollars?

Yes.

Seriously, could you bring yourself to kill this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aHmyjCkyU)?

I would happily punt that thing sixty yards into an electric fence...or just strangle it with razor wire...whichever you prefer.

With my bare hands.

That works too.

I wouldn't kill anything for a million dollars.

I'm gonna call bullshit

*steps on an ant*

If i could get a million apiece then set me up with an assembly line and ill buy Microsoft by nightfall. It gets easier after the first 200 or so.

You win the thread.

I'm sure there are people that think I'm bullshitting, but no, I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure I couldn't make myself do it for a hundred million.
I could rationalize that I could help a lot of animals and people with that much money. But I still don't think I could manage to do it. And if I did I would probably have nightmares the rest of my life. So it wouldn't be worth it from a quality of life standpoint.

I'd do it in a heartbeat. I grew up on a farm so my squeamishness regarding killing animals went away a long time ago. I really don't like killing animals, and don't do it unless it's for a very good reason, but getting a million dollars is a pretty damned good reason to me. I'm the only person in my immediate family who makes more than $15,000 so with that sort of money I could at least get them all out of debt, pay off my student loans, and make enough investments that I wouldn't have to worry about my retirement.

Not only that, i'd wash your car, shine your shoes, and sing you "Dont Stop Me Now".

Seriously, could you bring yourself to kill this?




Yes, I would kill puppy. That puppy I would kill for thousand $, because it is ugly bastard creature.

Meh. It's just a dog. I care about humans, but not dogs. I am more important than a dog, and that is that.

BS. A dog is a living creature, and we're in no way superior to it. I doubt that puppy causes pollution, murder, genocide, rascism, thievery, nuclear weapons, guns, wars and Death. If anything, I bet that puppy has contributed more to Society than have you have so far.

No.

No.

Yes. Hell, I'd kill more for the same amount as well.

Not like I'd torture the thing anyway.

Yes, I would. I prefer cats as better pets.

I would not kill you for a million dollars.:)

Most definately. Make it 5 million and I'll eat it.
Seconded.

As long as it gets a more human death, like buckshot right in the head/torso.

Probably. Though it depends on its size, and its adorability. Would I be able to get lost in its eyes? :p

Wouldn't kill a cat for any sum though. *nods*

sorry, if it was already said, but I don't have the money...

Edit: oh... sorry, misread... yes, I would... but don't even ask if I'd do he same with a baby penguin.

of course i would. I freaking hate puppies.

One million, cash in advance? Hell, I'd kill an entire litter of puppies.

If this were face to face with anyone, I'd say no, but with complete anonimity... Hate to admit it, but yeah, I'd do it.

the chicken doesnt

Seriously, in your town do you see chickens running around as pets? Since all chickens are essentially bred for meat I wouldn't have any problem killing one. Besides, they're as stupid as shit.

Puppies on the other hand are completely defenseless, sentient mammals who aren't bred for meat. I consider killing animals for food natural. Killing for money is a sick sport.

1 millions dollars? Hell, I'd do it for free, but if you're giving money away....

Disclaimer: Posted for comedic affect only. I'd never kill a puppy for free, everything has a price.

If puppies were in our position they would do the same to us.

I kill cute little baby chicks for a salary that puts me barely above the poverty line. I wish I'd known that puppy-killing pays more.

Sure, I'd kill a puppy for a million dollars. Even I have my price. :)

Yep. A million dollars is a million dollars. I wouldn't enjoy it, but financial security is quite useful.

Seriously, could you bring yourself to kill this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aHmyjCkyU)?
Oh! Look!!! It's a seal on legs... http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/droh.gif

Of course I would. $1m is a heck of a lot of money.

I would do it for $1000. I'm not fussy :)

No, it'd be selling out your humanity, I think.
It would.

For a million?Absolutely.It cant be that hard.Just put it under the water for a minute or bash it against the sidewalk.Lot of money

All sentient beings are important to me and their lives are equally important as humans. So no, I wouldn't. And no, I don't eat any animals before anyone asks.

To all the people who said they would kill the puppy: just like many other things, it starts off small then gets worse: First it's a bit of a disregard for life: "it's just a puppy"... then it gets bigger: "The **** (human this time) threatened me"... and bigger: "He was black! Fucking n***er scum!"... and bigger: "I feel like killing someone tonight"

O.K. so it may not get that far, but when the only motivation is money (rather than an ill-informed belief that animals must be eaten for food), it can very easily get worse and worse until you're looking at the inside of a prison cell. And although chefs only kill to make food and obviously there's not a load running around murdering humans, there's a correlation (not sure how strong it is, don't have the research to hand) between being killing animals and violence towards humans. Killing an animal is a lot different from just seeing a sausage or a lamb chop as 'food' on a plate.

In short, no matter how desperate you are for the money, DON'T DO IT. In any case, you'll be able to do NOTHING with the money because as soon as everyone (in Western countries) finds out that you've killed a puppy, they'll probably try to kill you.

Would you?

absolutely, without a second thought and then fry it up and eat it too:D....I have no problem with eating chickens, pigs, cows, horse, fish or any number of others species that I've eaten one more won't matter....

To all the people who said they would kill the puppy: just like many other things, it starts off small then gets worse: First it's a bit of a disregard for life: "it's just a puppy"... then it gets bigger: "The **** (human this time) threatened me"... and bigger: "He was black! Fucking n***er scum!"... and bigger: "I feel like killing someone tonight"

That's quite the slippery slope you've constructed. Growing up as a farmer and a hunter (and I was a soldier in Iraq) I've killed a number of things but absolutely never without a good reason. I've also never once enjoyed it. In fact, I'm probably one of the least violent people around, I'll do just about anything to avoid hurting something unnecessarily.

In short, no matter how desperate you are for the money, DON'T DO IT. In any case, you'll be able to do NOTHING with the money because as soon as everyone (in Western countries) finds out that you've killed a puppy, they'll probably try to kill you.

You don't honestly think people would try to kill someone for killing a puppy do you? I know several people who shoot stray animals on sight, (people drop unwanted animals off in the country) and there are no angry mobs banging on their doors. And for the record I think their practice of shooting strays is fucked up and have told them that at every available opportunity.

That's quite the slippery slope you've constructed. Growing up as a farmer and a hunter (and I was a soldier in Iraq) I've killed a number of things but absolutely never without a good reason. I've also never once enjoyed it. In fact, I'm probably one of the least violent people around, I'll do just about anything to avoid hurting something unnecessarily.

Exactly - I was referring to people who would kill just for money. It's a slippery slope but it's certainly not inconceivable considering the fact that quite a few murderers started off with animal cruelty.



You don't honestly think people would try to kill someone for killing a puppy do you? I know several people who shoot stray animals on sight, (people drop unwanted animals off in the country) and there are no angry mobs banging on their doors. And for the record I think their practice of shooting strays is fucked up and have told them that at every available opportunity.

A guy near me left his dogs to starve. He told me about it after I read it in the paper and he insisted he didn't mean to be cruel. A gang of people who'd read about him tried to maim him. So yeh, if someone deliberately killed a puppy for no "good" reason in a country such as the UK or US (or certain US states at least), they'd better start praying as I'm positive lots of people would want their head. But it does depend on the country (or in the case of the USA which is like many countries rolled into one, the state) you live in. Are the people who shoot the strays authority figures?

Exactly - I was referring to people who would kill just for money.

I still have a conceptual problem with the "just for money" statement.
Killing for no reason is wrong in your opinion, right ?
Killing for survival is not necessarily wrong in your opinion, right ?
But killing for survival *and* comfortable living is wrong again in your opinion, right ?

Please explain the reasoning.

id do it for 40 million,

although for 1 million Id annoy it first, then as so as it would growl Id say its coming right for us! and shoot it in the face with a rocket launcher 15 times

of course. ;)

Exactly - I was referring to people who would kill just for money. It's a slippery slope but it's certainly not inconceivable considering the fact that quite a few murderers started off with animal cruelty.

I for one would most certainly kill the puppy for money. It may not be right, but a million dollars is a million dollars. Despite what people on this forum seem to think you're not going to suddenly become a monster after killing one puppy.

A guy near me left his dogs to starve. He told me about it after I read it in the paper and he insisted he didn't mean to be cruel. A gang of people who'd read about him tried to maim him. So yeh, if someone deliberately killed a puppy for no "good" reason in a country such as the UK or US (or certain US states at least), they'd better start praying as I'm positive lots of people would want their head. But it does depend on the country (or in the case of the USA which is like many countries rolled into one, the state) you live in. Are the people who shoot the strays authority figures?

No, the people I know who shoot strays are most certainly not authority figures. For the record I live in Michigan, which as you may know is a rather "blue" state, and I live in a purple area of this blue state. At least one of the guys I know who shoots strays is a Democrat but I haven't talked politics with a lot of my friends in this area.

As for the guy who lived near you he doesn't strike me as all that bright. If he couldn't provide for his dogs he should have given them to the animal shelter or tried to find them a new home. As a very last resort killing them himself (although I see no reason for it to come to that) would have been far preferable to letting them starve.

Exactly - I was referring to people who would kill just for money. It's a slippery slope but it's certainly not inconceivable considering the fact that quite a few murderers started off with animal cruelty.

Hes right about that, Ed Gein and Jeffery Dahmers are just two to name. I know ive read of more but i cant think of them at the moment altho Freddy Kreuger did too. They way i see it, if i was going to die without that million dollars, then maybe i would but if im in no immediate threat and i will still be alive in the days to come, i may still be poor but at least ill have a clear consciences for not going with the "get rich quick" scheme.

I used kill turkey and chicken for my father to cook them...

I consider animal life important, I consider also human one, but I also consider that ecology now consider also money when thinking about human beings...

I eat meat, 'cause Human Beings are omnivorous ones, I eat plant, I eat minerals... (Salt should be one...)

I do not know if I kill a puppy, need for money and compassion\simpathy for the "victim" may fight a fierce battle... But still I think that killing a puppy for money doesn't make someone a monster...

Having fun while doing it instead change a lot of things...

I still have a conceptual problem with the "just for money" statement.
Killing for no reason is wrong in your opinion, right ?
Killing for survival is not necessarily wrong in your opinion, right ?
But killing for survival *and* comfortable living is wrong again in your opinion, right ?

Please explain the reasoning.

Killing the puppy would not be killing for survival - you don't need a million dollars to eat, wear clothes, have somewhere to live, and have heating.

I used kill turkey and chicken for my father to cook them...

I consider animal life important, I consider also human one, but I also consider that ecology now consider also money when thinking about human beings...

I eat meat, 'cause Human Beings are omnivorous ones, I eat plant, I eat minerals... (Salt should be one...)

I do not know if I kill a puppy, need for money and compassion\simpathy for the "victim" may fight a fierce battle... But still I think that killing a puppy for money doesn't make someone a monster...

Having fun while doing it instead change a lot of things...

Not all human beings are omnivores and, as evidenced in previous posts, we're certainly not designed naturally to eat meat.

I'm not saying murdering a puppy does make you a monster - I'm saying that there's some evidence of a correlation between killing an animal and killing a human (presumably it's the whole "I've done something like this before, I can do it again" mentality after having done something - in this case the "something like" is the puppy slaughtering and the "again" is murdering a human)

Killing the puppy would not be killing for survival - you don't need a million dollars to eat, wear clothes, have somewhere to live, and have heating.

Correct. But I really do not get why killing for JUST those things is fine, but for that AND MORE is not in your eyes.

No. Fuck no.

What does a million dollars mean? Is it worth such corruption? Money means nothing, ultimately.

Does the puppy have aids, cancer or some other disease that would result in fatality? Because then, yeah I probably would.

No, I wouldn't do it but I'm feeling like a hypocrite. I have no problem eating animals as long as somebody else kills them but I wouldn't do it myself.
You're right then, because that is hypocritical, and cowardly.

You're right then, because that is hypocritical, and cowardly.

But lots of people have the same attitude (most meat-eaters) - it's because they don't have to associate a murder with their food if they haven't killed the animal theirself.

Does the puppy have aids, cancer or some other disease that would result in fatality? Because then, yeah I probably would.

life results in fatality.

life results in fatality.

...eventually, but there's no need to speed it up. You gonna go out and burn everyone cus they'll die eventually anyway?

But lots of people have the same attitude (most meat-eaters) - it's because they don't have to associate a murder with their food if they haven't killed the animal theirself.

killing animals is not murder.

...eventually, but there's no need to speed it up. You gonna go out and burn everyone cus they'll die eventually anyway?

not at all. people use faulty logic to rationalize things that they want to do. that's all.

saying "well if it was going to die anyway I would kill it" when everyone and everything is going to die anyway........

Correct. But I really do not get why killing for JUST those things is fine, but for that AND MORE is not in your eyes.

If the killing is for what I said, then I see no ethical problem with getting more as a side-effect of it - this view is taking into consideration that many people eat meat and to them, it's just food. But I still stand by what I said about just killing for money, and as a vegan I consider all unnecessary killing to be wrong.

killing animals is not murder.

Not legally in some countries, though there may be a vegetarian country out there somewhere taht has a law against any animal killing - but even under English law, certain animal killing is illegal and, under English law, murder means the illegal killing of another person, though of course it's debatable whether animals are persons.

But in any case, it's murder in my eyes.

Yes, definitely. Puppies are not worth 1 million dollars.

No. Fuck no.

What does a million dollars mean? Is it worth such corruption? Money means nothing, ultimately.
1 million dollars means a lot. It is worth that corruption if said money is applied to humanitarian purposes, which I assume is a part of your beliefs. Money means a lot, if you think it is nothing then imagine what 1 million dollars of donations would do to your favorite charity.

Not legally in some countries, though there may be a vegetarian country out there somewhere taht has a law against any animal killing - but even under English law, certain animal killing is illegal and, under English law, murder means the illegal killing of another person, though of course it's debatable whether animals are persons.
I was told in an abortion debate that unless you can provide a law to point to that using the word murder is "bad debating". I would assume it would apply here.



But in any case, it's murder in my eyes.

ah, well, then that's different.

also, if you are a vegan aren't you murdering plants?

I wish we could see the breakdown on this poll by gender. (I voted no.)

I was told in an abortion debate that unless you can provide a law to point to that using the word murder is "bad debating". I would assume it would apply here.

Animal Welfare Act
Murder legislation





ah, well, then that's different.

also, if you are a vegan aren't you murdering plants?

Perhaps if I killed them myself. But I don't think I could live without at least eating dead plants (and as I don't kill them myself, using the analogy with regards to meat-eaters eating meat that they haven't killed (above) then I'm not murdering plants), I know that I can live safely and healthily without eating animals.

Perhaps if I killed them myself. But I don't think I could live without at least eating dead plants (and as I don't kill them myself, using the analogy with regards to meat-eaters eating meat that they haven't killed (above) then I'm not murdering plants), I know that I can live safely and healthily without eating animals.

so, if I don't kill my own meat I am not a murderer but I am a hypocrite, however if I do kill my own meat I am no longer a hypocrite, but now I am a "murderer" ?

interesting.

I was a vegan for 4 years (vegetarian for 2 years prior to that) and I never once thought that everyone who ate meat was either a hypocrite or a murderer.

as far as the being able to live healthy and safe without eating meat, I would wager that all of us do things that we can live healthy and safe without doing.

so, if I don't kill my own meat I am not a murderer but I am a hypocrite, however if I do kill my own meat I am no longer a hypocrite, but now I am a "murderer" ?

Correct - by meat-eater standards, due to what I said above. You haven't killed it, there's less or no guilt factor so in a meat-eater's eyes it's "alright". You have killed it, it then becomes (even from meat-eaters) "how could you kill an animal?!?!" But as I either said or suggested, I consider any unnecessary killing of animals to be murder

I was a vegan for 4 years (vegetarian for 2 years prior to that) and I never once thought that everyone who ate meat was either a hypocrite or a murderer.

Fair enough. You have your opinion, I have mine. And mine is that someone who will accept a bad thing but would not carry it out theirself (whether it's killing animals for food, using stolen money that they know has been stolen off an old lady who needs it for food for the week, or something else) is a hypocrit. And killing an animal is still murder in my eyes, but I'm not saying every meat-eater who doesn't kill animals is a murderer or that those who do kill animals should be treated as murderers (as they almost certainly don't consider it to be murder).

as far as the being able to live healthy and safe without eating meat, I would wager that all of us do things that we can live healthy and safe without doing.

Perhaps. I was just pointing out that I don't need to in any way support (either directly, or indirectly through purchases) the slaughter of animals in order to survive healthily.

Fair enough. You have your opinion, I have mine. And mine is that someone who will accept a bad thing but would not carry it out theirself (whether it's killing animals for food, using stolen money that they know has been stolen off an old lady who needs it for food for the week, or something else) is a hypocrit.

so I am just a hypocrite all around then? wow.

I'd feel awful, but I could do a lot more good with that million dollars that more than compensates for that twinge.

Yeah, the world has too many dogs. Half of them are living out their lives on the streets getting run over by cars, beaten by passersby, and dying of starvation. Why not kill it and spare it unnecessary pain?

Then again, I'd also apply the same argument to humans. Humans are animals too, and there are too many of them; why have more? I'm in favour of limiting the number of children one can have, for instance (two seems a sensible limit), and have few qualms about third trimester abortions, the death penalty, and war. So yes, I'm a heartless, puppy killing, baby eating maniac. It's not my fault I subscribe to a more cynical view of humanity!

Well, actually, it is. But still.

You people are monsters. =[

You people are monsters. =[

All people are monsters...

This is one that really should have been a public poll.

Would You Kill a Small Puppy for a Million Dollars?
Would you?

yes. yes i would.

however, not a human. or a cute little kittycat either :fluffle:

che guevara and his group of revolutionaries in...I think, if I recall (its been 5 years ago since I read this) in Argentina, though Im unsure about that, could have been cuba...anyway, they were stationed in this country to bring about revolution and one of the soldiers had brough a puppy along with him. The puppy was whimpering and they were in dangerous jungle territory, they had to get through this area covertly as they didnt want to disclose their position to any potential enemies. So basically with that and the pupy making noise, they had to hang it from a branch or something like that, they might have slit its throat aswell. Needless to say none of them were particularly fond of carrying out the deed.

But strangely enough Che on another occassion had no problem threatening to execute a soldier for giving out about the shitty rations, which basically consisted of rotten goat meat. It was only a threat though but weird how humans find animals cute

In a hearbeat.

never.

I have a conscience and love animals as well.

You don't honestly think people would try to kill someone for killing a puppy do you? I know several people who shoot stray animals on sight, (people drop unwanted animals off in the country) and there are no angry mobs banging on their doors. And for the record I think their practice of shooting strays is fucked up and have told them that at every available opportunity.

What other option would you give?

Would you?

No way!:mad:

I wish we could see the breakdown on this poll by gender. (I voted no.)

What, you're suspecting that my willie makes me more prone to kill a defenceless animal? :p

Sure, why not. Would I get blood on my clothes? 'cos you're paying for the dry-cleaning

Good Lord, man, I wouldn't want that karma on my mind.

And it would definitely be on my mind.

This comes from someone who would only truly need some 2% of that total sum to be free of his main financial worries.

Not a puppy. Not for $100 million.

Unless I could get at least $10,000 by letting it live, the pooch dies. Sucks, but that's life.

No because I would suspect it is a trick!!!

Yes, definitely.

No

not because 'life is sacred'
but because money is not sacred
so life wins

No.

As much as I would like and could use a million dollars I don't think I would kill a small puppy to get it.

Would you?
No, I'd make a reality TV show out of it targeting middle-class Americans and make more money.

I'd sooner kill a random human than kill a puppy. I like dogs.

I'd sooner kill a random human than kill a puppy. I like dogs.

Agreed. I've put down animals before but I don't think I could bring myself to kill a puppy just for money. Even if it is a lot of money.

Wait. Do you eat? Are you a vegan? Plants are living things too, you know.I'm vegan, and for a mill I'd not only kill the damn critter, I'd eat it raw.

Yes I would. I could use the million dollars to free puppies from labs..........or something.

i would like to say no, but i would if it was a chicken or a snake, so why not a puppy.
I'd feel shitty doing it, but that financial security for me, my girlfriend and my daughter is more important.

Snap that little puppy's neck.

As long as the animal didn't suffer I'd do it for a $100.No real difference between killing a dog and a cow and cows die every day to put meat on peoples plate.Being a 'cute puppy' means nothing really.It even makes it an ingredient for stew in some countries.

I would NEVER kill a puppy for money. If it was about to kill me, maybe, but never for money.

As long as the animal didn't suffer I'd do it for a $100.No real difference between killing a dog and a cow and cows die every day to put meat on peoples plate.Being a 'cute puppy' means nothing really.It even makes it an ingredient for stew in some countries.

I think there is a difference. Cows, over the generations, haven't protected our homes and families, herded our food and protected it from wild predators, or died trying to defend members of our species. Cows have always been food. Dogs have been companions and protectors.

I think there is a difference. Cows, over the generations, haven't protected our homes and families, herded our food and protected it from wild predators, or died trying to defend members of our species. Cows have always been food. Dogs have been companions and protectors.

And food, most noticeable in Asian countries. Of which some consider the cow holy ;)

And food, most noticeable in Asian countries. Of which some consider the cow holy ;)

The cow has never done anything but exist as a food source. The dog has been a companion and a protector. I consider eating dog to be as bad as cannibalism. In my estimation dogs are honorary humans, and contain a greater capacity for friendship and self-sacrifice than most real humans.

The cow has never done anything but exist as a food source. The dog has been a companion and a protector. I consider eating dog to be as bad as cannibalism. In my estimation dogs are honorary humans, and contain a greater capacity for friendship and self-sacrifice than most real humans.

that is too true, just think about all those stories about dogs saving human lives. i don't know what id do with out my dog, as he is always there for you. And going back to Asian countries, alot of the dog eating got started because they didn't have anything else to eat anyways and thus they needed it to survive

The cow has never done anything but exist as a food source. The dog has been a companion and a protector. I consider eating dog to be as bad as cannibalism. In my estimation dogs are honorary humans, and contain a greater capacity for friendship and self-sacrifice than most real humans.
Dogs do this out of instinct not because noble need to do so.Your placing the value of one animals life over that of another based on what you precive to be human traits.

Dogs do this out of instinct not because noble need to do so.Your placing the value of one animals life over that of another based on what you precive to be human traits.
There is plenty of evidence to believe that human altruism also arises out of a genetic component. It's instinctive in us too.

There is plenty of evidence to believe that human altruism also arises out of a genetic component. It's instinctive in us too.
You thinking of joining PETA by any chance.;) Your just soft on the cute factor.I have killed dogs that have been family pets for attacking livestock.Of course the family were very distressed but they had to realise that its instinct that drove Rover or Rax or whatever to rip animals apart.

What totally amazes me about this thread is how far from nature most people have become.

I see people "camping" in $250K motor coaches, with satellite TV, pretending to be in the woods communing with nature.

I think this poll should be split into urban (including 5 and 10 acre "ranches"), and truly rural. In other words, those that experience life and death and those that don't have a clue that things actually are born and actually die.

How many have worked to bring life into the world, knowing that in a year or so they will also take that life from the world? Things are born--things die. The circle of life isn't a Disney movie. It actually exists. Everything has a destiny. Some are longer and some are shorter. Some have purpose, some don't. As long as your pet has a purpose it lives, when it no longer has a purpose it dies. Millions of dogs and cats have no purpose. They die.

A stray dog or cat has less than a purpose. They are killers. Not like wolves that cull the weak. They kill for the sole purpose of killing. Packs of dogs can be friendly during the day but attack every living thing at night. In many places feral cats are destroying the wild bird populations.

I would not kill your pet puppy. But I have killed dozens of stray animals. I did the humane thing that their "owners" wouldn't do. I protected property, pets, livestock, and nature. I did not take joy in it. But I wasn't sad for the creature either. It's purpose in life had come to an end. However; I was very angry with the person who dumped the animal so they wouldn't have to hear the squeal of it's last sound. They wouldn't have to see the blood leaking from the nose and ears. They wouldn't have to see the muscle contractions as the damaged brain sent out the last signals. They wouldn't have to drag it to a ditch where other animals would make a meal of it. But that just means the circle of life goes on. If only the "owners" could be a witness. There wouldn't be this debate on life or death after birth. The decision would be made before breeding age as to which animals would reproduce and why. That is the decision that is made every time I castrate an animal. A decision that the "owners" apparently also don't have the stomach to make.

I think there should be a requirement that every child has to live close enough to nature for long enough to understand that life happens and death happens. I feel sorry for those of you who are so isolated from nature that you can't even contemplate an animal's death, much less your own death. So far away that you don't know what it looks like when an animal (much less a person) dies. I have seen both, and it makes me much more aware of life (real life) as it passes around me.

Grew up in the countryside and living in the city now already there are sings of animals being dumped after Christmas.People shouldnt get animals if their only destiny is to be slaughtered.I mean whats the point their not even used in dogfood.

You thinking of joining PETA by any chance.;) Your just soft on the cute factor.I have killed dogs that have been family pets for attacking livestock.Of course the family were very distressed but they had to realise that its instinct that drove Rover or Rax or whatever to rip animals apart.

No, I'm not a PETA freak. I eat meat and wear leather shoes and coats. I just like dogs.

No, I'm not a PETA freak. I eat meat and wear leather shoes and coats. I just like dogs.
But for a million would you even consider offing one?You know, if nobody was watching and it kinda just slipped into a plastic sack and got knocked into the river.;)

What totally amazes me about this thread is how far from nature most people have become.

I see people "camping" in $250K motor coaches, with satellite TV, pretending to be in the woods communing with nature.

I think this poll should be split into urban (including 5 and 10 acre "ranches"), and truly rural. In other words, those that experience life and death and those that don't have a clue that things actually are born and actually die.

How many have worked to bring life into the world, knowing that in a year or so they will also take that life from the world? Things are born--things die. The circle of life isn't a Disney movie. It actually exists. Everything has a destiny. Some are longer and some are shorter. Some have purpose, some don't. As long as your pet has a purpose it lives, when it no longer has a purpose it dies. Millions of dogs and cats have no purpose. They die.

A stray dog or cat has less than a purpose. They are killers. Not like wolves that cull the weak. They kill for the sole purpose of killing. Packs of dogs can be friendly during the day but attack every living thing at night. In many places feral cats are destroying the wild bird populations.

I would not kill your pet puppy. But I have killed dozens of stray animals. I did the humane thing that their "owners" wouldn't do. I protected property, pets, livestock, and nature. I did not take joy in it. But I wasn't sad for the creature either. It's purpose in life had come to an end. However; I was very angry with the person who dumped the animal so they wouldn't have to hear the squeal of it's last sound. They wouldn't have to see the blood leaking from the nose and ears. They wouldn't have to see the muscle contractions as the damaged brain sent out the last signals. They wouldn't have to drag it to a ditch where other animals would make a meal of it. But that just means the circle of life goes on. If only the "owners" could be a witness. There wouldn't be this debate on life or death after birth. The decision would be made before breeding age as to which animals would reproduce and why. That is the decision that is made every time I castrate an animal. A decision that the "owners" apparently also don't have the stomach to make.

I think there should be a requirement that every child has to live close enough to nature for long enough to understand that life happens and death happens. I feel sorry for those of you who are so isolated from nature that you can't even contemplate an animal's death, much less your own death. So far away that you don't know what it looks like when an animal (much less a person) dies. I have seen both, and it makes me much more aware of life (real life) as it passes around me.

I think that what u are describing however is the killing of animal for protection, that is completely understandable. If u have wild dos running around and attacking people or livestock then yes, i would put them down in a heartbeat but, the original post would be if you would kill a puppy for a million dollars. this is completely different from putting down rabid dogs, considering you don't know anything about this "hypothetical puppy" how could you bring urself to kill an infant puppy for no reason other than greed.

But for a million would you even consider offing one?You know, if nobody was watching and it kinda just slipped into a plastic sack and got knocked into the river.;)

I'd off a cat, a chimp, even a person before I'd kill a puppy.

hek i would kill skin cook and eat a small puppy for mil dollers

Ihow could you bring urself to kill an infant puppy for no reason other than greed.

I am amazed at the number of people that can think of no other way to spend that money than greed.

Would you kill a puppy if it helps finding a cure for cancer ? If it would result in 1.000 African children getting a chance at a decent life ?

I am amazed at the number of people that can think of no other way to spend that money than greed.

Would you kill a puppy if it helps finding a cure for cancer ? If it would result in 1.000 African children getting a chance at a decent life ?

Meh, I think greed is a better motivation. I'd rather have a nice nest egg to retire on than help 1,000 Africans. I'm an asshole, ain't I?

Meh, I think greed is a better motivation. I'd rather have a nice nest egg to retire on than help 1,000 Africans. I'm an asshole, ain't I?

Nah, you are just honest.

I'd off a cat, a chimp, even a person before I'd kill a puppy.

http://www.turoks.net/Cabana/DeadPuppies.htm;)

http://www.turoks.net/Cabana/DeadPuppies.htm;)

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Hell, I'd kill Ifreann for a dollar. :p

http://www.turoks.net/Cabana/DeadPuppies.htm;)

Ah, memories of Doctor Demento... :cool:

If it was my job yes.
I'd give some of the money to the R/SPCA and then invest in a bad pet owner killing machine.

Hell, I'd kill Ifreann for a dollar. :p

Puppies taste better, trust me.

http://www.turoks.net/Cabana/DeadPuppies.htm;)

Wow, that's an old one. I remember it from the Dr. Demento show when I was younger.