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Me and some of my buddies were sitting around; talking about how terrible the world is becoming. So just for fun we have divided up the world as we saw fit, to make the world peaceful. We all chose our own sections and this is the product. Our New World.

Me and some of my buddies were sitting around; talking about how terrible the world is becoming. So just for fun we have divided up the world as we saw fit, to make the world peaceful. We all chose our own sections and this is the product. Our New World.

This would probably screw things up even more. People on the outskirts of these gargantuan empires would live lives similar to those of americans during the time leading up to the revolution. They would be ruled by bueracrats who couldn't possible understand the problems.

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I especially liked all the creativity involved. It's basically turning every continent into a country. Must've taken ages to come up with that.

This would probably screw things up even more. People on the outskirts of these gargantuan empires would live lives similar to those of americans during the time leading up to the revolution. They would be ruled by bueracrats who couldn't possible understand the problems.

There wouldn't be any more wars. So more money could be spent on developement of these rural areas; instead of pourning money into defence.
This would drasticly improve the standard of living.
And, because all these five empires are ruled by friends of mine, there wouldn't be international tension.

I especially liked all the creativity involved. It's basically turning every continent into a country. Must've taken ages to come up with that.

Yeah, I wish I had that kind of time to come up with such a drastic redistricting scheme.

I especially liked all the creativity involved. It's basically turning every continent into a country. Must've taken ages to come up with that.

sarcasm seems to run rampant in forums.
I only divided it how I and my friends decided it should be divided to maintain a sense of simplicity, as you can see all of the empires have the possibility of being totally self-sufficient.

There wouldn't be any more wars. So more money could be spent on developement of these rural areas; instead of pourning money into defence.
This would drasticly improve the standard of living.
And, because all these five empires are ruled by friends of mine, there wouldn't be international tension.

.. untill Pete starts gaining more profit than Mark is.

sarcasm seems to run rampant in forums.
I only divided it how I and my friends decided it should be divided to maintain a sense of simplicity, as you can see all of the empires have the possibility of being totally self-sufficient.

except maybe the empire of oceana.

.. untill Pete starts gaining more profit than Mark is.

The Imperial Court would solve these problems. We basicly built our own United Nations. We would solve our problems without force but with compremise.

as you can see all of the empires have the possibility of being totally self-sufficient.

And how is that a good thing? It's a lot harder to go to war with someone who you absolutely need to trade with.

And oh how they thought "If only if it were that simple...".

And this is different from our world how?

The Imperial Court would solve these problems. We basicly built our own United Nations. We would solve our problems without force but with compremise.

There is no way in hell that I would help another country, when they bitch and moan about how bad they are at making a strong economy.

And how is that a good thing? It's a lot harder to go to war with someone who you absolutely need to trade with.

It would be a good thing because there wouldnt be tensions over unfair trading agreements.

And what stops secessionist groups from forming and splitting away? Iron-fisted oppressive rule?

There is no way in hell that I would help another country, when they bitch and moan about how bad they are at making a strong economy.

You would help if they ruler of that other country was a friend of yours.

You would help if they ruler of that other country was a friend of yours.

Like hell I would.

And what stops secessionist groups from forming and splitting away? Iron-fisted oppressive rule?

I wouldn't be oppressive. But my rule would be absolute, any revolt would be put down without the slightest bit of mercy!

Like hell I would.

So you would let your economicly weak freind collapse under its own wieght because of its size. Watch that part of the world become rebel territory; roll in your tanks and clean up his mess?

Like hell I would.

and besides you would have to help; because it would most likely be in your best interest.

I wouldn't be oppressive. But my rule would be absolute, any revolt would be put down without the slightest bit of mercy!

Yes, let's lead a passive, yet rageful revolution.

You are why I'm glad fifteen year-olds can't vote.

And this is different from our world how?

The lack of hundreds of governments and world wide political tension, that is one major difference.

Yes, let's lead a passive, yet rageful revolution.

You are why I'm glad fifteen year-olds can't vote.

There wouldn't be any revolution; any atempt or discussion of a revolution would carry a penalty of death by hanging or gunshot. Preferably hanging because the person should suffer for going against the established order.
If the citzens obey, they will lead happy, productive lives.

It would make geography lessons simpler.

sarcasm seems to run rampant in forums.
I only divided it how I and my friends decided it should be divided to maintain a sense of simplicity, as you can see all of the empires have the possibility of being totally self-sufficient.

Somehow I can't see the benefit of my country merging with Indonesia. Then it would probably be legal to overfish our waters as opposed to us being able to arrest them and burn their boats :rolleyes:

It would make geography lessons simpler.

That it would.

[ teacher walks in ] Okay class, pop quiz what are the countries of the world?

[ students retrieve paper pencil and begin to write ]

1 empire of europe
2 empire of the americas
3 african union
4 asian federation
5 empire of oceana

[ several minutes later ]

okay class. everyone made a 100 except for billy. [ teacher pulls out gun and shoots billy, then explains ]

billy wrote down the names of all the countries of the old world, he is going against the established order. The penalty for that is death, either by hanging or gunshot. Since I dont have a noose; I shot him. Now clean up this mess!

Somehow I can't see the benefit of my country merging with Indonesia. Then it would probably be legal to overfish our waters as opposed to us being able to arrest them and burn their boats :rolleyes:

WTF are you talking about.

I disagree with your groupings.

Why would Greenland remain associated with Europe despite being much closer to the Americas?

Hawaii would probably be better off (in terms of government action/understanding) with Oceania as well, as would more of the island nations. I'm not seeing the logic of including half of them with Asia, unless you are trying to group cultures.

Your division of Eurasia is strange as well, what reasoning is behind it?

Why is Saudi Arabia et al, with Africa? I suppose Africa might need the Fertile Crescent though, I'm not familiar with African agriculture beyond Egypt.

And I'm seriously asking, if there is logic behind these things, I'd be curious to know what it is. ^^


Personally, I'm not sure if it would be easier to try to make each country have similar economic and natural resources available, or if you'd want to make similar cultures a combined nation. Cultures are important, but harder to manage, unless you want to get many many more countries. In building countries, it would be easier to have independent countries that preach lots and lots of tolerance. It would be near impossible to give countries equal resources if they are each an ethnic group, so you'd need to sacrifice one or the other...

I think your system would only work if there were massive wars or disease beforehand that would greatly reduce the population to the point where they'd be eager to work together rather than try to keep as separate cultures.

The current global political system isn't anywhere near perfect, but I don't think it could be changed without a global cataclysm. But, areas could still be revamped for better cultural separation.

WTF are you talking about.

Poor people from a country that isn't mind, overfished their waters. So now they come into ours to steal fish. This is a bad thing because not only are we killing our fish as is, but we also have local poachers to deal with. If we find them, we catch them (and they shoot at us sometimes :rolleyes: a few guys in a wooden boat vs the Australian Navy), throw them in detention, set their boats on fire, then let them off because they don't have the money to pay the fines. If your "Empire of Ocenia" was formed this issue may become more complicated. This is one of the many things that may come out of your New World that would annoy me.

I disagree with your groupings.

Why would Greenland remain associated with Europe despite being much closer to the Americas?

Hawaii would probably be better off (in terms of government action/understanding) with Oceania as well, as would more of the island nations. I'm not seeing the logic of including half of them with Asia, unless you are trying to group cultures.

Your division of Eurasia is strange as well, what reasoning is behind it?

Why is Saudi Arabia et al, with Africa? I suppose Africa might need the Fertile Crescent though, I'm not familiar with African agriculture beyond Egypt.

And I'm seriously asking, if there is logic behind these things, I'd be curious to know what it is. ^^


Personally, I'm not sure if it would be easier to try to make each country have similar economic and natural resources available, or if you'd want to make similar cultures a combined nation. Cultures are important, but harder to manage, unless you want to get many many more countries. In building countries, it would be easier to have independent countries that preach lots and lots of tolerance. It would be near impossible to give countries equal resources if they are each an ethnic group, so you'd need to sacrifice one or the other...

I think your system would only work if there were massive wars or disease beforehand that would greatly reduce the population to the point where they'd be eager to work together rather than try to keep as separate cultures.

The current global political system isn't anywhere near perfect, but I don't think it could be changed without a global cataclysm. But, areas could still be revamped for better cultural separation.

We grouped most of our nations partly on resource availiblity, hence including parts of the middle east with europe and africa for oil. And partly because we divided the world how we wanted it. We all got our little piece of the global pie. Hey if you have a better system of division please submitt a picture detailing it.

Poor people from a country that isn't mind, overfished their waters. So now they come into ours to steal fish. We catch them, throw them in detention, set their boats on fire, then let them off because they don't have the money to pay the fines. If your "Empire of Ocenia" was formed this issue may become more complicated. This is one of the many things that may come out of your New World that would annoy me.

You say this like laws wouldn't be established to maintain the borders of each empire. And fishing would be monitered to stem the consequences of over fishing.

[QUOTE] Why would Greenland remain associated with Europe despite being much closer to the Americas? [QUOTE]


Ever heard of the vikings. They settled parts of greenland, so if I was grouping by culture than Greenland would remain part of Europe despite being closer to the americas.

Sooooooo... I guess everyone is done with this thread. I think the way I and my friends divided the world would do us all good.

Haha. Yeah, India and Pakistan, North Korea, South Korea, Japan and China. All in one group. They'll love that.

Haha. Yeah, India and Pakistan, North Korea, South Korea, Japan and China. All in one group. They'll love that.

I don't care what they like and don't like. They will either at least pretend to love my new world order or disappear in the night and be forgotten in a cell in one of the my many new federal prisons.

Meh. I just think it's far too simplistic.

For one, the large empires you created would have to be cut up into smaller states in order to be governed anyway. Which is basically back to where we started, since the states would likely fall along old country lines.

So if every nation is equal and self sufficient, please explain why one nation have 1/3-1/2 of the population, and then it and two others have 80+% of the manufacturing ability of the world.This would leave Africa with 700(ish) Million Poeple and no production ability, and Oceania with 200(ish) million (20 from Oz/NZ, 180 from Indonesia) and limited manfacturing. Furthermore the only way Africa could possibly compete with the other three powerhouses would be a massive 1950s style expansion effort, ignoring all long term and ecological risks to the area, even then it wouldnt catch up to the current state, let alone where they get to in the time it took for africa to get then and then collapse.

PS: World Population trends (http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/LUC/Papers/gkh1/figc1_3.htm)

I don't care what they like and don't like. They will either at least pretend to love my new world order or disappear in the night and be forgotten in a cell in one of the my many new federal prisons.

I feel very relieved that you will never have the power to divide the world up as you see fit.

Pfhhh, my shit's better than this.

Meh. I just think it's far too simplistic.

For one, the large empires you created would have to be cut up into smaller states in order to be governed anyway. Which is basically back to where we started, since the states would likely fall along old country lines.

Constant control of the civilian population by the military would take care of this problem

Hey if you have a better system of division please submitt a picture detailing it.Okay (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/world_pol98.jpg)

So if every nation is equal and self sufficient, please explain why one nation have 1/3-1/2 of the population, and then it and two others have 80+% of the manufacturing ability of the world.This would leave Africa with 700(ish) Million Poeple and no production ability, and Oceania with 200(ish) million (20 from Oz/NZ, 180 from Indonesia) and limited manfacturing. Furthermore the only way Africa could possibly compete with the other three powerhouses would be a massive 1950s style expansion effort, ignoring all long term and ecological risks to the area, even then it wouldnt catch up to the current state, let alone where they get to in the time it took for africa to get then and then collapse.

PS: World Population trends (http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/LUC/Papers/gkh1/figc1_3.htm)

I'm refering to economic self-suffiency. I dont care about the population trends!

Okay (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/world_pol98.jpg)

Okay smart ass.

I don't care what they like and don't like. They will either at least pretend to love my new world order or disappear in the night and be forgotten in a cell in one of the my many new federal prisons.

Oh, well if that's your idea of a peaceful world, I have another one:

http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/political_world_map_603.jpg

Yeah. This is my new world order. People will love it or disappear in the night to be to forgotten in one of the world's many prisons. Clever huh? Also, i'll redefine "peace" to mean "continual warfare" so that actually, the world is a peaceful utopia right now. LOL I WIN.

Okay (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/world_pol98.jpg)

The old way of things is crummy; what with constant warfare its a wonder anything gets done. I mean everysecond there is a war going on somewhere.
Isreal is at war with lebanon. North and South Korea have officially been at war since the fifties ( though no real fighting has taken place in a while )
This would end all wars.

Oh, well if that's your idea of a peaceful world, I have another one:

http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/political_world_map_603.jpg

Yeah. This is my new world order. People will love it or disappear in the night to be to forgotten in one of the world's many prisons. Clever huh? Also, i'll redefine "peace" to mean "continual warfare" so that actually, the world is a peaceful utopia right now. LOL I WIN.

Your joking right?

And how is that a good thing? It's a lot harder to go to war with someone who you absolutely need to trade with.

You don't need to trade with them if you conquer them.

Well the problem is, Population trends are a nessessary part of a sustainable economy... If you have a much smaller manufacturing ability and somewhere around 1/7-1/40 of the population of your opponents, AND most of your land is desert i dont see how you could be considered self sufficient, compared to the other nations - you might be able to feed and clothe your people but you wont grow at anywhere near the same rate, leading to (most probably) an attempt to be annexed someone next door with 40 times the population and a small desire for any remaining mineral resources under your dirt.

You don't need to trade with them if you conquer them.

Why the hell would I want to conquer one of my friends. I'm not a traitor to the new world order!!

The old way of things is crummy; what with constant warfare its a wonder anything gets done. I mean everysecond there is a war going on somewhere.

::blinks:: And yet you just advocated constant warfare against your own population:

Constant control of the civilian population by the military would take care of this problem

Do you realize how badly your military will eat up your money? And how badly it will be routed when the rest of the population turns on it?

Well the problem is, Population trends are a nessessary part of a sustainable economy... If you have a much smaller manufacturing ability and somewhere around 1/7-1/40 of the population of your opponents, AND most of your land is desert i dont see how you could be considered self sufficient, compared to the other nations - you might be able to feed and clothe your people but you wont grow at anywhere near the same rate, leading to (most probably) an attempt to be annexed someone next door with 40 times the population and a small desire for any remaining mineral resources under your dirt.

If that did happen, the stronger nations would retaliate against the agressor. Either the agressive nation accept peace or be rendered a non-threat with the use of many nuclear weapons.

You don't need to trade with them if you conquer them.

Right, but what about when you have a situation where a war would create economic difficulties? Take the USA and PRC. Our economies are so deeply intertwined right now that the cessation of trade during a war would do serious damage to both of us, thus a war is extremely unlikely.

::blinks:: And yet you just advocated constant warfare against your own population:



Do you realize how badly your military will eat up your money? And how badly it will be routed when the rest of the population turns on it?

Really! In that case, it will be illegal for any civilian to own a gun. You cant beat a bullet with a pitch fork or rocks.

Right, but what about when you have a situation where a war would create economic difficulties? Take the USA and PRC. Our economies are so deeply intertwined right now that the cessation of trade during a war would do serious damage to both of us, thus a war is extremely unlikely.

the united states of america couldn't conquer china anyway. We dont have the manpower to pulloff such a feat.

Why the hell would I want to conquer one of my friends. I'm not a traitor to the new world order!!

But, you see, not everyone will accept the "new world order" (sounds familiar, was it Hitler, Stalin, Lenin? (Someone refresh my memory, who was the historical despot who kept preaching about the "new world order?"). Nothing so revolutionary will be accepted without bloodshed. Or do you expect everyone to greet your innovation with glad cries of joy. Human nature being what it is.

Your joking right?

Of course not. I've just solved all the world's problems, plus my map is way better looking than yours.

Right, but what about when you have a situation where a war would create economic difficulties? Take the USA and PRC. Our economies are so deeply intertwined right now that the cessation of trade during a war would do serious damage to both of us, thus a war is extremely unlikely.

No it wouldn't, we trade with almost every country on earth. It would mearly be a bump in the road.

F is for Floob.

A is for Ale.

I is for Incest.

L is for Lebanon

the united states of america couldn't conquer china anyway. We dont have the manpower to pulloff such a feat.

It seems quite difficult to really conquer anything in this era of asymmetric warfare. Anyway, nobody as the manpower to occupy China.

But, you see, not everyone will accept the "new world order" (sounds familiar, was it Hitler, Stalin, Lenin? (Someone refresh my memory, who was the historical despot who kept preaching about the "new world order?"). Nothing so revolutionary will be accepted without bloodshed. Or do you expect everyone to greet your innovation with glad cries of joy. Human nature being what it is.

I didn't say it would be a peaceful accention to power. But I rest assured that out there in the world, are people who would gladly raise up and help me establish my new world.

If that did happen, the stronger nations would retaliate against the agressor. Either the agressive nation accept peace or be rendered a non-threat with the use of many nuclear weapons.

the united states of america couldn't conquer china anyway. We dont have the manpower to pulloff such a feat.



So.... when the asian empire invades the Oceanic Empire and crushes it under the weight of 40x the numbers.... What does everyone else do? go Nuclear to protect a state without nukes, without any social resources and without any production resources... or do they ignore it?


Either way - the asian empire keeps quiet for 20 years and then has HALF the global production and most of the industry... therefore the most advanced weapons...

Really! In that case, it will be illegal for any civilian to own a gun. You cant beat a bullet with a pitch fork or rocks.

The whole point of your new world order was to stop wars and to make peace, and all that jazz.

And yet you advocate military force against your populace, and a dictatorship that in general would make life much less comfortable and peaceful for the citizens.

Your purpose and your methods are at odds.

That was my point.

Of course not. I've just solved all the world's problems, plus my map is way better looking than yours.

I fucking hate your map!

just an offtopic question... did you just get your report card for the year and find out you failed Geography or something?

The whole point of your new world order was to stop wars and to make peace, and all that jazz.

And yet you advocate military force against your populace, and a dictatorship that in general would make life much less comfortable and peaceful for the citizens.

Your purpose and your methods are at odds.

That was my point.

It is simple; if you obey, you will have peace. But I will not tolerate disenters. Revolutionaries can go fuck their mothers. I will have them shot and their bodies burned to set an example to the population. You obey, you live. You raise up, I will kill you!

just an offtopic question... did you just get your report card for the year and find out you failed Geography or something?

and the point of this post is?

I don't care what they like and don't like. They will either at least pretend to love my new world order or disappear in the night and be forgotten in a cell in one of the my many new federal prisons.

And there goes freedom.

Also, how long do you think such a system would last? EVERYBODY would revolt. Not just one or two, but practically everyone.

What you are doing is similar to what was doen with the drawing of boundaries in Africa. You are drawing arbitrary lines with little to no concept of the relationships of people within the given region, how this would effect how stable the regions would be, and the ability to control such vast regions.

Do you know how much it would cost to run your little thought-police program?

Do you know how much it would cost to try and run, feed, and maintain the regions?

How would you enforce your little "imperial court" decisions?

Obviously, The Asian Federation would have a great deal larger ability to impose it's might upon others, with massive manpower and military might. A confederation with the Americas would all-but crush the rest of the world.

And don't pull that "but we're friends!" bull. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. Given time, the power would corrupt you, and you would get greedier, and you would want something you don't have.

Similar things have been tried, and failed, by greater men than you due to arrogance and ignorance.

Cacoron;

You are aware that the threat of death in response to political dissension will create a revolution much more efficiently than it will prevent one. You design the world like this and you and your freinds heads will likely be on pikes in less than a years time.

Other issues you may want to adress:

-Your military as you have described it would be almost corrupt from the get-go. They can arrest nearly anyone they want to, and they'll be rotted before you'll even see it coming. If your people sont overthrow you first, you'll get asassinated by a general.
-Who would ever submit to rule by five boys all from the same country?
-You are just disregarding how power effects people. You'll be lucky to be freinds with any of them by the two year mark.

It is simple; if you obey, you will have peace. But I will not tolerate disenters. Revolutionaries can go fuck their mothers. I will have them shot and their bodies burned to set an example to the population. You obey, you live. You raise up, I will kill you!

How long do you think before the people get pissed off and rise against you enmass?

So.... when the asian empire invades the Oceanic Empire and crushes it under the weight of 40x the numbers.... What does everyone else do? go Nuclear to protect a state without nukes, without any social resources and without any production resources... or do they ignore it?


Either way - the asian empire keeps quiet for 20 years and then has HALF the global production and most of the industry... therefore the most advanced weapons...

You people always find something negative about everything. And since you brought it up, their seemingly advanced weapons would do them no good, since there would be an active information sharing policy. Everything they had, everyone else would have.

I didn't say it would be a peaceful accention to power. But I rest assured that out there in the world, are people who would gladly raise up and help me establish my new world.

And as many who would rise up to prevent it. I dislike would-be despots. They always start out with this notion that what they're doing is for the good of mankind and end up as Stalins or Hitlers or Bushes.

I've made a study of history. Things like this, if they actually get off the ground, invariably end in disaster.

and the point of this post is?



trying to explain this:
I fucking hate your map!

I fucking hate your map!

Too bad. I've checked with the world's governments and already my beautiful map is being put into action as we speak. LOL I WIN!

You people always find something negative about everything. And since you brought it up, their seemingly advanced weapons would do them no good, since there would be an active information sharing policy. Everything they had, everyone else would have.


Just trying to show the issues that need to be resolved...

Problem with the above situation is you just prevented ALL technological innovation... - or everything is kept underground... either way bad for the world...

And there goes freedom.

Also, how long do you think such a system would last? EVERYBODY would revolt. Not just one or two, but practically everyone.

What you are doing is similar to what was doen with the drawing of boundaries in Africa. You are drawing arbitrary lines with little to no concept of the relationships of people within the given region, how this would effect how stable the regions would be, and the ability to control such vast regions.

Do you know how much it would cost to run your little thought-police program?

Do you know how much it would cost to try and run, feed, and maintain the regions?

How would you enforce your little "imperial court" decisions?

Obviously, The Asian Federation would have a great deal larger ability to impose it's might upon others, with massive manpower and military might. A confederation with the Americas would all-but crush the rest of the world.

And don't pull that "but we're friends!" bull. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. Given time, the power would corrupt you, and you would get greedier, and you would want something you don't have.

Similar things have been tried, and failed, by greater men than you due to arrogance and ignorance.


The fear of death and being able to do nothing about it will keep the people in line. I dont care if billions raise up against me. Without weapons they will run into a massacre for which I will feel no remorse.

You people always find something negative about everything. And since you brought it up, their seemingly advanced weapons would do them no good, since there would be an active information sharing policy. Everything they had, everyone else would have.

Yes...independent goliath-nations will share everything with their counterparts.

The fear of death and being able to do nothing about it will keep the people in line. I dont care if billions raise up against me. Without weapons they will run into a massacre for which I will feel no remorse.

This all hinges upon the fact that the populace has no weapons. Do you think that they, seeing a dictator with repressive tendency, rising to power, will nicely hand over their safeguard against you?

Yes...independent goliath-nations will share everything with their counterparts.

Okay, you all are saying this would end baddly. But the threat of mutually assured destruction of each nation would keep a major war out of everyones mind. Or our nukes will pass in the sky and the world will become a waste land. but hell what do I care. If it happens; Ill be dead too.

The fear of death and being able to do nothing about it will keep the people in line. I dont care if billions raise up against me. Without weapons they will run into a massacre for which I will feel no remorse.

See:

French Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution)

"Liberty, equality, fraternity, or death!"

Russian Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution_of_1917)

"Peace, land, and bread."

So, would you like a nice public guillotine-ing, like Louis, or should we just shoot you in a basement, like Nick?

The fear of death and being able to do nothing about it will keep the people in line. I dont care if billions raise up against me. Without weapons they will run into a massacre for which I will feel no remorse.

Assuming they don't raid any armories. Or steal weapons from individuals. Or take them from the dead. Or have your oh so reliable troops supply them. Or make them out of common resources.

I dont care if billions raise up against me. Without weapons they will run into a massacre for which I will feel no remorse.

Again, may I point out, that this brutality is completely at odds with the aim of your new order.


Why change the world, for the purpose of making it more peaceful, if you are going to only create more bloodshed?

The fear of death and being able to do nothing about it will keep the people in line. I dont care if billions raise up against me. Without weapons they will run into a massacre for which I will feel no remorse.

This attitude has destroyed countless tyrants. I dont think you realize the power of mass-minded chaos. You'd be suprised how fast a tank goes down to common household items. You'd be suprised how easy it is to actually home-spin the very things you've banned.

This all hinges upon the fact that the populace has no weapons. Do you think that they, seeing a dictator with repressive tendency, rising to power, will nicely hand over their safeguard against you?

Yes, or as earlier posted, they will be shot in the head. Along with their immediate family. The children will go to a re-education school and learn that their parents were bad people and forget about them.

See:

French Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution)

"Liberty, equality, fraternity, or death!"

Russian Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution_of_1917)

"Peace, land, and bread."

So, would you like a nice public guillotine-ing, like Louis, or should we just shoot you in a basement, like Nick?

They all had weapons, the french monarchy did a piss poor job of safeguarding their muskets. AND, I dont think the french or russians had planes, tanks, large bombs, and extremely accurate automatic weaponry.

this is sounding suspiciously like 1984 - only exception is 5 groups not 3....

New question... who gets antartica (mineral weath for all? scientific research for all? no-one? or one or two nations?)

Yes, or as earlier posted, they will be shot in the head. Along with their immediate family. The children will go to a re-education school and learn that their parents were bad people and forget about them.

How OLD are you?

Please, look up the Bastille. The March to Versailles. The blimin' storming of the Tuileries.

Again, may I point out, that this brutality is completely at odds with the aim of your new order.


Why change the world, for the purpose of making it more peaceful, if you are going to only create more bloodshed?

Peace is a byproduct of War!

Okay, you all are saying this would end baddly. But the threat of mutually assured destruction of each nation would keep a major war out of everyones mind. Or our nukes will pass in the sky and the world will become a waste land. but hell what do I care. If it happens; Ill be dead too.

The problem is that you claimed the world was horrible so you offered something that was supposed to make it peaceful and bearable, and instead rivaled Nazi Germany. Its not so much the structure we are critisizing, but the intention to make the world better.

They all had weapons, the french monarchy did a piss poor job of safeguarding their muskets. AND, I dont think the french or russians had planes, tanks, large bombs, and extremely accurate automatic weaponry.

Neither do the Iraqis.

10,000 dudes with pitchforks beat 100 dudes with machine guns.

The fear of death and being able to do nothing about it will keep the people in line. I dont care if billions raise up against me. Without weapons they will run into a massacre for which I will feel no remorse.

History does not bear this out. When you oppress people enough, giving them no safety valve, even without weapons, they will rebel. Think Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., William Wallace, the students in Tienamen Square, the founders of Israel, Moses. History is full of people with no hope who rose against oppressors and won.

They all had weapons, the french monarchy did a piss poor job of safeguarding their muskets. AND, I dont think the french or russians had planes, tanks, large bombs, and extremely accurate automatic weaponry.

No, the French monarchy BACKED DOWN because they knew that fighting in Paris would lead to a very, very quick revolution.

Yes, or as earlier posted, they will be shot in the head. Along with their immediate family. The children will go to a re-education school and learn that their parents were bad people and forget about them.

There is a quote that goes "Every time history repeats itself, the cost goes up".

In this case, history would repeat itself. The people will win, as they always do. The only difference is many more will die.

this is sounding suspiciously like 1984 - only exception is 5 groups not 3....

New question... who gets antartica (mineral weath for all? scientific research for all? no-one? or one or two nations?)

Antarctica is a nuetral zone for nuclear testing.

Peace is a byproduct of War!

Yes. That's why the Nazis came to power, right?

No, the French monarchy BACKED DOWN because they knew that fighting in Paris would lead to a very, very quick revolution.

Because king louis was a bitch who didnt enjoy the thought of killing his own people. I dont care who I kill as long as my government is maintained.

Dude, you can't win. Give up. Even if we DID like your ideas, you have the charisma and tact of a slug. Even HITLER didn't just yell out "We're going to kill all the Jews and inferiors." He had a bit more brain than that.

Peace is a byproduct of War!



NoNO NO
you got it wrong...

"Peace IS War"
"Love IS Hate"

Some new ideas for you:

"Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death."

"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could igve you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself—anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face… was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime…"
1984 quotes (http://www.gerenser.com/1984/quote.html)

The fear of death and being able to do nothing about it will keep the people in line. I dont care if billions raise up against me. Without weapons they will run into a massacre for which I will feel no remorse.

"I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death"
-Patrick Henry-

No it wouldn't, we trade with almost every country on earth. It would mearly be a bump in the road.

What?

You do realize that trade with China is about 10% of our total trade, right?

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/top/top0610.html#total

There is a quote that goes "Every time history repeats itself, the cost goes up".

In this case, history would repeat itself. The people will win, as they always do. The only difference is many more will die.

the question is how many will have to die because of the revolutionaries before the people give up and submit willingly.

The fear of death and being able to do nothing about it will keep the people in line. I dont care if billions raise up against me. Without weapons they will run into a massacre for which I will feel no remorse.

I think that you are underestimating the power of billions, especially considering that a significant percentage of your army would get pissed at what you're making them do and join the revolution. Trying to make peace by killing everyone works, but since there is nobody left to enjoy your peace, is completely useless.

Because king louis was a bitch who didnt enjoy the thought of killing his own people. I dont care who I kill as long as my government is maintained.

No, he was fine with killing his own people. He just knew that there were far more people, ANGRY people, than he could kill.

You can't win. You said you would kill billions. But you just wouldn't have the capacity to do that. You'd be overthrown faster than a Liberian dictator.

Because king louis was a bitch who didnt enjoy the thought of killing his own people. I dont care who I kill as long as my government is maintained.

That's nice. But if you can't even convince a couple folks here to go along with anything you say - and so far you can't - there's no way you could convince an entire world's military to repress the entire world. You offer nothing. Your vision is: "Do what I say, or I kill you! And I don't care if you kill me! The world sucks anyway! Wah!" Not very inspiring.

Also, my map is better.

Win.

Yes, or as earlier posted, they will be shot in the head. Along with their immediate family. The children will go to a re-education school and learn that their parents were bad people and forget about them.

How will you gain power? People aren't as stupid as you seem to think they are, and you would never gain power.

That, and after a few years of this, EVERYONE would revolt against you, ala' France or Russia. People will only put up with so much shit, you know.

Also, this seems like Orwell's 1984, only less well thought out, and completely ignorant of world affairs.

Antarctica is a nuetral zone for nuclear testing.


errr what?

why? the fallout would immediately spread up to Africa, Oceania and South America on the winds and tides that are continually moving material away from the poles and towards the equator - i cant think of a worse place to test nukes...

Dude, you can't win. Give up. Even if we DID like your ideas, you have the charisma and tact of a slug. Even HITLER didn't just yell out "We're going to kill all the Jews and inferiors." He had a bit more brain than that.

Hitler didn't win because he was a psycotic ant-semetic. I have no problem with jews. I just hate people who won't submit!

Because king louis was a bitch who didnt enjoy the thought of killing his own people. I dont care who I kill as long as my government is maintained.

If the peasants (for lack of a better term) revolted in a large scale, you simply could not win.

the question is how many will have to die because of the revolutionaries before the people give up and submit willingly.

You definitely would fall. Quickly.

Hitler didn't win because he was a psycotic ant-semetic. I have no problem with jews. I just hate people who won't submit!

You missed the point entirely. You've TOLD us your plans. What makes you think that anyone would ever support you now?

Wow, the South Islands, Potato Factory and I are all agreeing on something.

Actually, everyone on this thread except Cacoron are agreeing that Cacoron's plan sucks ass. Maybe that's what he meant by getting world peace.

If the peasants (for lack of a better term) revolted in a large scale, you simply could not win.
Also, consider that Louis didn't merely face the land-lubbin' peasants; he faced a revolt of the bourgeoisie, the entrepreneurial class that was up in arms with the nobility. The peasantry aided in the affair, but it was not an agrarian revolt as was per the usual. It's one thing to have the food-producing class revolt - it's another to also have the wealth-creating classes revolt on top of this.

Oh, and another thing. Greenland is mine.

You definitely would fall. Quickly.

Awe well, If I die; everyone else will to. Nuclear weapons really can do wonders for the landscape. Hiroshima and Nagasaki looked stunning after the bombs went off.

If you want to make the world a better place, finish school, get therapy, grow up.

the question is how many will have to die because of the revolutionaries before the people give up and submit willingly.

Or, how many innocent die before you are completely and totally overthrown by the people.

It has never been the case of "how much until they give up", but always the case of "how much before they rise". People will revolt long before they completely and totally submit, especially enmass.

Wow, the South Islands, Potato Factory and I are all agreeing on something.

I know. I'm scared too.

You missed the point entirely. You've TOLD us your plans. What makes you think that anyone would ever support you now?

Not in any extreme detail. You have no idea who I am. I could be your next door nieghbor for all you know. You have no idea where i will strike from.

Awe well, If I die; everyone else will to. Nuclear weapons really can do wonders for the landscape. Hiroshima and Nagasaki looked stunning after the bombs went off.

I doubt the missiles would get launched. Nuclear command wouldn't allow it. They're not FUCKING STUPID like you.

Or, how many innocent die before you are completely and totally overthrown by the people.

It has never been the case of "how much until they give up", but always the case of "how much before they rise". People will revolt long before they completely and totally submit, especially enmass.

the population has a breaking point; they will only be able to take so much before they give up. Phycological warfare has a horrible affect on parents when they here over the radio that their children will dissappear in the night. They will side with me to protect their children.

Not in any extreme detail. You have no idea who I am. I could be your next door nieghbor for all you know. You have no idea where i will strike from.

As soon as we hear someone like, you, we'll know. You're the only one dumb enough to do this.

Not in any extreme detail. You have no idea who I am. I could be your next door nieghbor for all you know. You have no idea where i will strike from.

Yes, you think you're big and bad and scary. But you're really a rather silly little boy. Hopefully, you'll grow up and grow out of this phase.

Hitler didn't win because he was a psycotic ant-semetic. I have no problem with jews. I just hate people who won't submit!

Are you sure that the anti-semetic was more of a contributing factor than the psychotic? Because you've got that part down.

It has never been the case of "how much until they give up", but always the case of "how much before they rise". People will revolt long before they completely and totally submit, especially enmass.

Quoted for Truth

just to go back to something... you said you would remove all weapons from the civil population... I assume the military has some (or the police) to keep the citizenry in line, and to deal with the armed might of those other powers... so what is to stop them revolting?

I doubt the missiles would get launched. Nuclear command wouldn't allow it. They're not FUCKING STUPID like you.

There wouldn't be a nuclear command. The missiles would be in my control and only mine. I die, you all die.

the population has a breaking point; they will only be able to take so much before they give up. Phycological warfare has a horrible affect on parents when they here over the radio that their children will dissappear in the night. They will side with me to protect their children.
1984-like plots are for idiots. Read Brave New World, it has nice ideas in it. :)

the population has a breaking point; they will only be able to take so much before they give up. Phycological warfare has a horrible affect on parents when they here over the radio that their children will dissappear in the night. They will side with me to protect their children.

No, people don't give up. They just become more bloodthirsty and barbaric. Read up on revolutionary terror.

just to go back to something... you said you would remove all weapons from the civil population... I assume the military has some (or the police) to keep the citizenry in line, and to deal with the armed might of those other powers... so what is to stop them revolting?

Lots and Lots of money. and then some.

There wouldn't be a nuclear command. The missiles would be in my control and only mine. I die, you all die.

You know that you need someone to turn the keys, right? You can't just carry around a little remote saying "Launch Soviet Missiles."

the population has a breaking point; they will only be able to take so much before they give up. Phycological warfare has a horrible affect on parents when they here over the radio that their children will dissappear in the night. They will side with me to protect their children.


From the way you're talking, otherthrowing you is a much more effective way of protecting people from you than siding with you.

You have no idea where i will strike from.

Your mother's basement?

No, people don't give up. They just become more bloodthirsty and barbaric. Read up on revolutionary terror.

Fine; then the world will decend into anarchy and people will be dieing everywhere and when i'm led to the gallows I will laugh, and I will not repent!

so just to confirm - you will remove all safeguards on the nukes and attach a deadman switch to the bomb tied to you alone?

what is to stop your servants knocking you unconsious while you sleep and then making you brain dead while the rest lives till the nukes are disarmed?

Lots and Lots of money. and then some.

Conscience > money

All it takes is one rogue general.

I know. I'm scared too.

Even stranger, I'm agreeing with you all as well, and you and I have gotten into it in the past...

Someone hold me... I have a bad feeling...

You know that you need someone to turn the keys, right? You can't just carry around a little remote saying "Launch Soviet Missiles."

I'll need one key and one code. Then beautiful white warheads get a nice aquaintance with the clouds then the ground.

Your mother's basement?

BURN

Fine; then the world will decend into anarchy and people will be dieing everywhere and when i'm led to the gallows I will laugh, and I will not repent!

Ah, I get it now, you think you're Saddam Hussein. You overestimate yourself and underestimate the human race. Please read and understand some history before you make even more of a fool of yourself than you already have.

Fine; then the world will decend into anarchy and people will be dieing everywhere and when i'm led to the gallows I will laugh, and I will not repent!

OR, they will overthrow you all, and start negotiating border lines of new countries. There may be anarchy and chaos over much of the world, but it would be far better than what you are proposing.

I'll need one key and one code. Then beautiful white warheads get a nice aquaintance with the clouds then the ground.

So you're assuming that before the revolutions take your palace, which takes a few minutes, tops, you can get to the nuclear launch facility, in the middle of nowhere, and launch that missile yourself, without anybody stopping you?

Lots and Lots of money. and then some.

How many times must I point out that the incentive for overthrowing you, is not being killed by you in the night. Which is a greater incentive than money.

so just to confirm - you will remove all safeguards on the nukes and attach a deadman switch to the bomb tied to you alone?

what is to stop your servants knocking you unconsious while you sleep and then making you brain dead while the rest lives till the nukes are disarmed?

Fuck em' then I'll be brain dead so who gives a shit. But I doubt that will happen. And have you forgotten my crazy freinds. In any case it will most likely be them to lauch rather than me. We have no fear of death. at least we'll go quickly.

Ah, I get it now, you think you're Saddam Hussein. You overestimate yourself and underestimate the human race. Please read and understand some history before you make even more of a fool of yourself than you already have.

Only the application of brute force used tiressly can peace be assured!

Fuck em' then I'll be brain dead so who gives a shit. But I doubt that will happen. And have you forgotten my crazy freinds. In any case it will most likely be them to lauch rather than me. We have no fear of death. at least we'll go quickly.

You're hopeless. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I kinda hope the FBI is reading this, so you can disappear in the night.

OR, they will overthrow you all, and start negotiating border lines of new countries. There may be anarchy and chaos over much of the world, but it would be far better than what you are proposing.

Some one out in the world will support me and they will oppose this re-negotiating of borders at every turn.

You're hopeless. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but I kind hope the FBI is reading this, so you can disappear in the night.

Why. Im just a little pathetic boy who needs to grow up. Remember.

Some one out in the world will support me and they will oppose this re-negotiating of borders at every turn.

And those will not only be the minority, but the VAST minority, hardly making a blip on the map, if at all.

You are overestimating how much support you will have.

The other incentive for the military to overthrow you... you are giving them lots of money - but if they were in charge they would have all of it.... Therefore the equation is:

(Some Money+Maybe being dragged off and "dissapeared" in the night) < (All the money+In Charge+Not being killed in the night)

I hate the established order. I hate democracy. I hate religion. Nothing but trouble has come of any of these things.

Only the application of brute force used tiressly can peace be assured!

War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery

Ring a bell?

Only the application of brute force used tiressly can peace be assured!

You call that peace? The peace of an abused populace under perpetual threat. I'd rather die than endure that kind of peace.

And those will not only be the minority, but the VAST minority, hardly making a blip on the map, if at all.

You are overestimating how much support you will have.

It will not get bad, and I would be a good ruler if the jackasses who oppose all forms of government don't fuck it all up.

Why. Im just a little pathetic boy who needs to grow up. Remember.

Yeah, but even little boys can disappear.

I hate the established order. I hate democracy. I hate religion. Nothing but trouble has come of any of these things.

And yet you complain, set up something which not only would not work, but would cause undue suffering to everyone.

How about this: Try fixing the problems we face, getting involved with fixing this in a real way, instead of whining all the time?

It will not get bad, and I would be a good ruler if the jackasses who oppose all forms of government don't fuck it all up.

Or those who have different views than you. Which would be almost everyone.

You call that peace? The peace of an abused populace under perpetual threat. I'd rather die than endure that kind of peace.

Life woudn't be much different and I wouldn't have to deploy my military if people didn't get testy because old countries dissappeared. Civil rights wouldn't be taken away. You just won't vote on anything. Life will be nice; and the same but with out the stressed political atmosphere.

I hate the established order. I hate democracy. I hate religion. Nothing but trouble has come of any of these things.

I tend to resent being killed.

But that's just me.

It will not get bad, and I would be a good ruler if the jackasses who oppose all forms of government don't fuck it all up.

And of the Jack-asses who just dont enjoy total-rule?

Fuck em' then I'll be brain dead so who gives a shit. But I doubt that will happen. And have you forgotten my crazy freinds.

Maybe it already has happened. And maybe your friends are not crazy, but you are; and your friends are just figments of your obviously dysfunctional mental processes.

Either way, my map is better. LOL I WIN.

And yet you complain, set up something which not only would not work, but would cause undue suffering to everyone.

How about this: Try fixing the problems we face, getting involved with fixing this in a real way, instead of whining all the time?

How the corrupt governments of today do nothing but sit on their asses and get rich.

Life woudn't be much different and I wouldn't have to deploy my military if people didn't get testy because old countries dissappeared. Civil rights wouldn't be taken away. You just won't vote on anything. Life will be nice; and the same but with out the stressed political atmosphere.

Dear, voting IS a civil right. Your life might be nice, no one else's would be. I'll take the stress over your particular brand of insanity any day.

Life woudn't be much different and I wouldn't have to deploy my military if people didn't get testy because old countries dissappeared. Civil rights wouldn't be taken away. You just won't vote on anything. Life will be nice; and the same but with out the stressed political atmosphere.

And you won't be able to talk about anything that you don't want people to talk about.

Heh.

Maybe it already has happened. And maybe your friends are not crazy, but you are; and your friends are just figments of your obviously dysfunctional mental processes.

Either way, my map is better. LOL I WIN.

The world cannot survive as it is. We are spiraling down a treachous path that can only be repaired by a strong ruler who has a vision.

Life woudn't be much different and I wouldn't have to deploy my military if people didn't get testy because old countries dissappeared. Civil rights wouldn't be taken away. You just won't vote on anything. Life will be nice; and the same but with out the stressed political atmosphere.


Can you say that with a straight face?? Pretty good acting if you can...

How the corrupt governments of today do nothing but sit on their asses and get rich.

Which I'm sure would happen with your little proposal.

Remember:

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Dear, voting IS a civil right. Your life might be nice, no one else's would be. I'll take the stress over your particular brand of insanity any day.

Do you honestly think me insane? Is it such a crazy idea to unite the world under a single banner? What bad would it cause?

Which I'm sure would happen with your little proposal.

Remember:

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

No, idiots who get all high on themselves get corrupted by absolute power.

Just remember, under your "new world order" NS would no longer exist and there would be one less forum for you to spew your trash.

Do you honestly think me insane? Is it such a crazy idea to unite the world under a single banner? What bad would it cause?
Unrestricted government power. Enough reason for me to take up arms against you.

The world cannot survive as it is. We are spiraling down a treachous path that can only be repaired by a strong ruler who has a vision.

You really need to pop open a history book. We are not any closer to death than we've ever been. The only difference is that whining is considered wit now, and everybody fancies themselves comedians.

Can you say that with a straight face?? Pretty good acting if you can...

Can you look at my views from an unbiased perspective and look past the bad in the beginning to the countless posibilities in the future.

Do you honestly think me insane? Is it such a crazy idea to unite the world under a single banner? What bad would it cause?

Yes. Hitler and Stalin both tried to do the same in the same era, both carried politically opposite regimes, and both failed spectacularly because, in the end, the monarch became the tyrant, then the madman, then the oppressor. both ideologies were overthrown, though one later than the other.

Do you honestly think me insane? Is it such a crazy idea to unite the world under a single banner? What bad would it cause?

See personally im all in favour of uniting the world under one banner (or 5 as you started out wanted... BTW what did happen to those "friends" of yours when you took over their bits?)

But i prefer the method currently being used in europe, or that that has previously been used in the Australia, Canada and the USA... less death all around and still got all the civil liberties you start with...

The world cannot survive as it is. We are spiraling down a treachous path that can only be repaired by a strong ruler who has a vision.

Said Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Mao Zedong, etc. (they all failed, incidentally, what makes you think you wouldn't)

Do you honestly think me insane? Is it such a crazy idea to unite the world under a single banner? What bad would it cause?

It's not the concept we oppose. It's the methods you propose to make this happen that we find... disingenuous.

The world cannot survive as it is. We are spiraling down a treachous path that can only be repaired by a strong ruler who has a vision.

RIGHT.

The world today is working pretty much as it did in the past. Everything that is going on today is pretty much business as usual. Only on a bit more global scale, but still it's not that bad.

Can you look at my views from an unbiased perspective and look past the bad in the beginning to the countless posibilities in the future.

Yes... see my post at 171.

Unrestricted government power. Enough reason for me to take up arms against you.

Exactly why is that. Do you enjoy watching on the news how our government and that of other countries is constantly fucking up in new and increasingly creative ways.

Exactly why is that. Do you enjoy watching on the news how our government and that of other countries is constantly fucking up in new and increasingly creative ways.
I enjoy watching governments fuck up in general so I can argue for their removal, yes.

Can you look at my views from an unbiased perspective and look past the bad in the beginning to the countless posibilities in the future.

History has a tendency to repeat itself. What makes you think your system would suceed when so many others like have failed?

Said Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Mao Zedong, etc. (they all failed, incidentally, what makes you think you wouldn't)

Moa Zedong didn't fail; last I checked China was still communist like he wanted.

quick question... in what country do you currently reside? Also which other countries have you resided in previously...?

Exactly why is that. Do you enjoy watching on the news how our government and that of other countries is constantly fucking up in new and increasingly creative ways.

That's just it, there is nothing new or creative about how the governments are fucking up and there's nothing new or creative about your proposed "solution."

Can you look at my views from an unbiased perspective and look past the bad in the beginning to the countless posibilities in the future.

Yes. I dont see promise in a single. Even if you were a great leader- I see mediocrity, insecurity, boorishness, all because global identity would eclipse national identity as national identity eclipsed cultural identity. The interesting surrenders to the uniform. Always a shame.

No, idiots who get all high on themselves get corrupted by absolute power.

Which comes with absolute power. Absolute power corrupts even the best of people

Moa Zedong didn't fail; last I checked China was still communist like he wanted.
China is somewhat corporatist, rather than any shade of Communism. It favours its corporations as a source of national wealth and prestige... and works individuals to the death if necessary. How does this bear any resemblance to the vile Communist ideology?

I enjoy watching governments fuck up in general so I can argue for their removal, yes.

Hahahahaha! Now thats funny. If your standard for impeachment ( applies to the U.S. ) is getting a blowjob and covering up a burglury. Shouldn't bush have already been executed by the population.

Hahahahaha! Now thats funny. If your standard for impeachment ( applies to the U.S. ) is getting a blowjob and covering up a burglury. Shouldn't bush have already been executed by the population.
Armed rebellion is passe. Tax-rebellion is the way to go. And by all rights, he should be in a home for individuals with special needs, not governing a country. I would hardly want to give the power to rule to some other idiot with such individuals around.

No country would willingly surrender to a new world order. So how the [B]fuck[B] would any other way but mine insure that the new world order arises.

Armed rebellion is passe. Tax-rebellion is the way to go. And by all rights, he should be in a home for individuals with special needs, not governing a country. I would hardly want to give the power to rule to some other idiot with such individuals around.

True that. Its effective, relatively easy, and its already made a dent before those in power realize its happening. On a mass scale- If could be epic.

China is somewhat corporatist, rather than any shade of Communism. It favours its corporations as a source of national wealth and prestige... and works individuals to the death if necessary. How does this bear any resemblance to the vile Communist ideology?

Because......the chinese government is communist and this is widely known by the world. Ever heard of the Korean War. Spread of communism and such. China came to the aid of Communist North Korea. Hmm?

Armed rebellion is passe. Tax-rebellion is the way to go. And by all rights, he should be in a home for individuals with special needs, not governing a country. I would hardly want to give the power to rule to some other idiot with such individuals around.

Tax-Rebellion! The U.S. government would have all your asses locked up.

Moa Zedong didn't fail; last I checked China was still communist like he wanted.

His ideas failed miserably. The Great Leap Forward was a huge dud, and the Cultural Revolution wasn't much better.

No country would willingly surrender to a new world order. So how the [B]fuck[B] would any other way but mine insure that the new world order arises.

Your "new world order" won't arise, for which I am grateful. They're coming to take you away, ta da.

True that. Its effective, relatively easy, and its already made a dent before those in power realize its happening. On a mass scale- If could be epic.
This has another problem inherent in it - it requires coordination and a willingness to rebel against the powers that be. However, when these conditions are met it is far more efficient.

Because......the chinese government is communist and this is widely known by the world. Ever heard of the Korean War. Spread of communism and such. China came to the aid of Communist North Korea. Hmm?
And I say I am Gandalf the White...

Tax-Rebellion! The U.S. government would have all your asses locked up.
i) I am not American.

ii) A successful tax-rebellion would end the US government.

No country would willingly surrender to a new world order. So how the [B]fuck[B] would any other way but mine insure that the new world order arises.

You may want to examine Rome in its early expansion for the answer to this.

Your "new world order" won't arise, for which I am grateful. They're coming to take you away, ta da.

who...exactly.

No country would willingly surrender to a new world order. So how the fuck would any other way but mine insure that the new world order arises.

(i fixed your bbcode too :-) )

Refer to europe and its attempts to become a single superstate... seems to be working quite well - -all those old world nations becoming one :-)

Also what country do you live in? and where else have you lived? you ignored it before

You may want to examine Rome in its early expansion for the answer to this.

Yes, conquest that was their means of early expansion.

:rolleyes: my trollometer is rising by the second...

Tax-Rebellion! The U.S. government would have all your asses locked up.

A coordinated refusal to buy luxury products also works, and it is perfectly legal.

Yes, conquest that was their means of early expansion.

... meaning the second half of the Roman empire, the one that collapsed upon itself because of the immense size of the empire.

(i fixed your bbcode too :-) )

Refer to europe and its attempts to become a single superstate... seems to be working quite well - -all those old world nations becoming one :-)

Also what country do you live in? and where else have you lived? you ignored it before

WTF are you talking about. And I live on mars:rolleyes: for all you need to know.

A coordinated refusal to buy luxury products also works, and it is perfectly legal.

so, essentially, youre speaking of boycott?

... meaning the second half of the Roman empire, the one that collapsed upon itself because of the immense size of the empire.

by todays standards it really wasn't that big it you rip out the medditeranian sea.

Yes, conquest that was their means of early expansion.

No...not really. They certainly used it when the need arose, but many of the cities they petitioned joined willingly. I guess you still dont know why.

so, essentially, youre speaking of boycott?

It would hurt you as much as it would hurt them.

No...not really. They certainly used it when the need arose, but many of the cities they petitioned joined willingly. I guess you still dont know why.

Im guessing because they were nice people an their successful revolt against the etruscans had everyone afraid of them.

It would hurt you as much as it would hurt them.

LUXURY goods, not essentials, i believe he said.

by todays standards it really wasn't that big it you rip out the medditeranian sea.

Wrong.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/LocationRomanEmpire.png

so, essentially, youre speaking of boycott?

A mass boycott of items that are taxed at high rates. It really does work, and its not like its never been tried before. The tea boycott in pre-revolutionary America is the same concept.

:rolleyes: my trollometer is rising by the second...

WTF!

by todays standards it really wasn't that big it you rip out the medditeranian sea.

Modern communications make today's world, for all practical purposes, smaller than the Roman Empire. We can travel further in one day than they could in a year and we can communicate with someone on the other side of the world instantaneously, as we are now on this forum. You try holding together an empire when it takes three months for a communication to get from your farthest outpost to your capital.

Wrong.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/LocationRomanEmpire.png

The whole of the soviet union was larger.

WTF are you talking about. And I live on mars:rolleyes: for all you need to know.



Point1) you had an error in the bbcode... i fixed it for you :-)

Point 2) You asked if there was any way nations would surrender to a new world order without your plan... i refer you to europe where they have consolidated their regional transportation, immigration, currency and agricultral policies.

Point 3) if you have lived in some of the worst places in the world (ex-soviet nations, central africa, northern south america, etc etc) then: 1) i would understand a little better your position, 2) i would try to point out the benefits of the current system even with its flaws, however if, as i suspect, you live in the US, and have never left it, then 1) i consider you a troll, 2) i probably give up the discussion with you on the grounds of pointlessness (but continue for fun)

A mass boycott of items that are taxed at high rates. It really does work, and its not like its never been tried before. The tea boycott in pre-revolutionary America is the same concept.

true, but that was more of a tax revolution because the americans simply did not want to pay outrageous british taxes for the same kind of tea they could cheaply make/import. not only that, the "boycott" was only temporary and followed by conflict.

A mass boycott of items that are taxed at high rates. It really does work, and its not like its never been tried before. The tea boycott in pre-revolutionary America is the same concept.

Basically, alcohol, tobacco, cars, high-end electronics?

Im guessing because they were nice people an their successful revolt against the etruscans had everyone afraid of them.

...The Eutruscans...Im referring to the established Roman Republic, not their early developmental history as a culture.

Point1) you had an error in the bbcode... i fixed it for you :-)

Point 2) You asked if there was any way nations would surrender to a new world order without your plan... i refer you to europe where they have consolidated their regional transportation, immigration, currency and agricultral policies.

Point 3) if you have lived in some of the worst places in the world (ex-soviet nations, central africa, northern south america, etc etc) then: 1) i would understand a little better your position, 2) i would try to point out the benefits of the current system even with its flaws, however if, as i suspect, you live in the US, and have never left it, then 1) i consider you a troll, 2) i probably give up the discussion with you on the grounds of pointlessness (but continue for fun)

I had parents that lived in the former soviet union. THere are you happy. I dont live in the United States of America and I will not tell you where I live.

Basically, alcohol, tobacco, cars, high-end electronics?

exactly. ;)

The whole of the soviet union was larger.

The USSR was an exception. By today's standards, the vast majority of countries are smaller than the Roman Empire was.

...The Eutruscans...Im referring to the established Roman Republic, not their early developmental history as a culture.

They tore them a new asshole thats what they did. Other cities surrendered out of fear of the Roman citzen soldiers who were more highly trained than their shitty militia.

The USSR was an exception. By today's standards, the vast majority of countries are smaller than the Roman Empire was.

And both collapsed because they were ruled by idiots with no spine about them. Cowards.

exactly. ;)

YOu couldn't convince enough people to have any real affect.

And both collapsed because they were ruled by idiots with no spine about them. Cowards.

then who will rule under your new world?

They tore them a new asshole thats what they did. Other cities surrendered out of fear of the Roman citzen soldiers who were more highly trained than their shitty militia.

:eek: ...I dont even know how to respond to this. You need to grab a history book now.

What I'm gathering is that you all think my theory is sound but my methods are off tune. :confused:

Me and some of my buddies were sitting around; talking about how terrible the world is becoming. So just for fun we have divided up the world as we saw fit, to make the world peaceful. We all chose our own sections and this is the product. Our New World.
You forgot Russia!! :p

no. your theory is bunk. your methods are bunk.

:eek: ...I dont even know how to respond to this. You need to grab a history book now.

The romans were oppressive shit heads who thought everyone but them were barbaric peoples hence the constant conflict with celtic and germanic tribles farther north.

then who will rule under your new world?

HIS world will be ruled by a delusional despot. At his death, it will disappear because it's all a figment of his imagination.

If, in truth, his world did come about, he would rule until he died (or was killed) and then a truly new order of independent nations and free people would rise out of the ashes.

You forgot Russia!! :p

No! I didn't.

HIS world will be ruled by a delusional despot. At his death, it will disappear because it's all a figment of his imagination.

If, in truth, his world did come about, he would rule until he died (or was killed) and then a truly new order of independent nations and free people would rise out of the ashes.

You people are slaves of democracy. I truly pity you.

YOu couldn't convince enough people to have any real affect.

No yet anyway, people arent discontent enough. Most are happy to live their lives and leave causes to the young and angry. I dont really blame them for not believing in my causes, and I'll still try to help them when they rally me instead. In the end, life is short and you cant be to concerned with building the world into perfection as you see it.

The romans were oppressive shit heads who thought everyone but them were barbaric peoples hence the constant conflict with celtic and germanic tribles farther north.
Not too different to you eh? :)

You people are slaves of democracy. I truly pity you.
Says who? I do not believe in democracy.

I don't care if it collapses after I die. I'll be dead and it will be another empire like alexander the great's or the mongal empire. At least it existed; that alone will make me happy.

Not too different to you eh? :)

Very different from me.

You people are slaves of democracy. I truly pity you.

Democracy? Who was talking about democracy? We just dont want to live in your egomaniacal paradise.

You people are slaves of democracy. I truly pity you.

Save your pity.

Says who? I do not believe in democracy.

Then you and I are on the same side on this point.

Democracy? Who was talking about democracy? We just dont want to live in your egomaniacal paradise.

egomaniacal it isn't. Paradise; if all goes well. It will be.

You people are slaves of democracy. I truly pity you.

yes. we are slaves of an inherently sound system. sorry for the mixup with your totally moronic system where different parts of different nations are suddenly engulfed by widespread relocation of boundaries.

and how is this more peaceful? what if the asian bloc decides to invade the oceanic bloc? and what if the oceanic bloc had ties to the american bloc? then what?

Save your pity.

No; you deserve it. If I was hear supporting democracy over all other forms of government you would be on my side.

Then you and I are on the same side on this point.
Not really - I believe in voluntary government, where it is no more than a defense agency, carrying out its representees' right to self-defence, something along the lines of what Rand argued for. Monocentric anarcho-capitalism, if you will.

yes. we are slaves of an inherently sound system. sorry for the mixup with your totally moronic system where different parts of different nations are suddenly engulfed by widespread relocation of boundaries.

and how is this more peaceful? what if the asian bloc decides to invade the oceanic bloc? and what if the oceanic bloc had ties to the american bloc? then what?


You don't have a detailed plan on the organization of the empires. Its almost medieval in concept. Each person rules his domain; but in the name of a higher power. In this case the Imperial Court.

Not really - I believe in voluntary government, where it is no more than a defense agency, carrying out its representees' right to self-defence, something along the lines of what Rand argued for. Monocentric anarcho-capitalism, if you will.

Volutary government is useless and can be overthrown in days instead of years. Look at the Wiehmer Republic. The germans voted hitler into office. Look what he did.

egomaniacal it isn't. Paradise; if all goes well. It will be.

Like I could keep track of your vision, as much as it has changed throughout the thread. You think you are fit to rule the world, that in itself is egomaniacal. You are not planning to bring hope to the opressed- you plan to kill anyone who disagrees with you.

Its far to late in my time-zone, I am leaving now. If this topic still lives when I return I shall join it.

Me and some of my buddies were sitting around; talking about how terrible the world is becoming. So just for fun we have divided up the world as we saw fit, to make the world peaceful. We all chose our own sections and this is the product. Our New World.
Wow, that sure was a meeting of great minds.

You don't have a detailed plan on the organization of the empires. Its almost medieval in concept. Each person rules his domain; but in the name of a higher power. In this case the Imperial Court.

ah. so now were saying "you, you rule... er... this particular portion of the map, and you rule this particular portion of the map," ignoring presently-established political boundaries.

lovely system. and what is this "Imperial Court?"

Democracy will fade in history and become a bad memory in the face of stronger governments.

Volutary government is useless and can be overthrown in days instead of years. Look at the Wiehmer Republic. The germans voted hitler into office. Look what he did.
Weimar Republic was a form of democracy. A voluntary government is one where you may decline subscription to the agency's services if you please, but then enjoy no legal protection whatsoever. In such a system a Hitler is impossible precisely because it is not democratic. The only right it exercises is the delegated right to self-defence - the rest are negative in nature.