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"Rap music really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY sucks."

Oh my god....I completely agree with you there!

Oh my god....I completely agree with you there!


It's nice when fans of all kinds of music can come together in the total hatred of rap music

"Rap music really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY sucks.

No, not really. There's plenty of good rap out there. It just isn't produced by two-bit obnoxious pseudo-pop types like 50 cent or Tupak.

No, not really. There's plenty of good rap out there. It just isn't produced by two-bit obnoxious pseudo-pop types like 50 cent or Tupak.

Which is, you know, the ONLY RAP YOU EVER HEAR.

Which is, you know, the ONLY RAP YOU EVER HEAR.

Lol. I dont much like old school rap....or new age rap....or....rap. The Gym Class Heroes brand of slight emo hip hop is my only exception. =/

"Rap music really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY sucks.
Well if your talking about new rap then yes. But old school is actually farely decent. If you want to know about that listen to some of the old stuff by Tupac shacor or Biggie Smalls. They actually talk about things that are important, its really meaningful not like the new "I'm gonna smack my bitch up" rap.

Obviously its not your style, you accused my tastes of only being MTV emo. This would have too include Franz Ferdinand and Kaiser Chiefs. Read the snip your quoting next time. Panic! At the disco is emo influenced, but mostly indie/elctronic, so they cant really be defined as MTV emo. =/

Panic! not emo? They got recognized because they sent their stuff to Fall out Boy. Emo influenced = Emo. Panic! at the disco= Mtv Emo. Those bands you've listed are only two exceptions. If those are the only bands outside that genre you can list that you listen to then thats completely pitiful. You can go back to listening to Fall out Boy now.

Lol. I dont much like old school rap....or new age rap....or....rap. The Gym Class Heroes brand of slight emo hip hop is my only exception. =/

slight..... SLIGHT? Gym Class Heroes are just Pete "Bandwagon bastard" Wentz's little hip-hop/emo underlings. At least I listen to real scene and emo.

Well if your talking about new rap then yes. But old school is actually farely decent. If you want to know about that listen to some of the old stuff by Tupac shacor or Biggie Smalls. They actually talk about things that are important, its really meaningful not like the new "I'm gonna smack my bitch up" rap.

Not all new rap is like that...

Among musicians and fans, but among average people, they don't. Especially where I'm from. Me and my friend are the only two kids who know who the MC5 even are in my school, and as for Jeff Beck, I was insulted by the fact people didn't know who he was.

Yeah, well, they've had their day, seen their popularity, and made their riches by selling millions of albums. It doesn't really bother me that nobody knows half of the music I listen to. As long as I enjoy it, that's the main thing. The ignorance can be mildly irritating and occasionally in need of being set straight, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

Not all new rap is like that...



He's got a point. New Rap deals with all kinds of important sociopolitical issues, such as shooting fags in the face with a magnum, raping someone's mother, and dealing crack.

He's got a point. New Rap deals with all kinds of important sociopolitical issues, such as shooting fags in the face with a magnum, raping someone's mother, and dealing crack.

:D

He's got a point. New Rap deals with all kinds of important sociopolitical issues, such as shooting fags in the face with a magnum, raping someone's mother, and dealing crack.
:rolleyes:

You can continue being a willfully ignorant fool if you like. Not all rap and hip hop is "gangsta" oriented. There's a wealth of artists out there that cover themes as diverse as anything in rock music.

If you don't like the style, fine. I couldn't care less. However, don't make foolish statements that have no backing in reality. It just makes you look dumb.

If you don't like the style, fine. I could care less. However, don't make foolish statements that have no backing in reality. It just makes you look dumb.

*Laughs*


No comment.

*Laughs*


No comment.

So, you're admitting that you look stupid?

So, you're admitting that you look stupid?

That's pretty much what I got out of it. Well, he's willfully ignorant and I couldn't care less. I'm done here.

So, you're admitting that you look stupid?

No, I'm admitting you're a slack-jawed idiot who isn't worth arguing with.

No, I'm admitting you're a slack-jawed idiot who isn't worth arguing with.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Potatish/2006_1229test0008.jpg?t=1167499409

Do I look slack-jawed to you, pal? And idiot, well, I guess I'd appear an idiot to somebody who doesn't agree with me and has to resort to ad hominem attacks... To each his own, eh?

No, I'm admitting you're a slack-jawed idiot who isn't worth arguing with.

Flame much?

well, I guess I'd appear an idiot

Yup, you're right.

Flame much?

Occasionally. Once someone starts flaming me, I flame back.

Well, get this into your head: What I did wasn't a flame. I was simply stating fact.

Well, get this into your head: What I did wasn't a flame. I was simply stating fact.

Oh really? What I did wasn't a flame, I was simply stating fact. See? We can make claims like this forever. We may as well get back on topic.

No, I'm admitting you're a slack-jawed idiot who isn't worth arguing with.

So basically, you can't back up your point with facts and so you've resorted to attacking someones personal nature. The spitting image of logic and reasoning you are. :D

This is like dealing with a child!

Man, this is funny. :D

So basically, you can't back up your point with facts and so you've resorted to attacking someones personal nature. The spitting image of logic and reasoning you are. :D

Indeed. I'd like to point out he resorted to ad hominem attacks first, with the whole "you look stupid" bit.

This is like dealing with a child!

Man, this is funny. :D

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Except children are more logical.

Indeed. I'd like to point out he resorted to ad hominem attacks first, with the whole "you look stupid" bit.

No, I simply said "So, you're admitting that you look stupid?". I didn't say "You look stupid." or anything of the sort.

But do go on. This is quite entertaining.

Occasionally. Once someone starts flaming me, I flame back.

Not much flaming coming from the other side actually. He asked you a decent question. You responded by calling him a slack jawed idiot.

No, I simply said "So, you're admitting that you look stupid?". I didn't say "You look stupid." or anything of the sort.

But do go on. This is quite entertaining.

Fuck off. Just shut the fuck up and get back to the thread. This goes for all three of us.

Fuck off. Just shut the fuck up and get back to the thread. This goes for all three of us.

Now that is just blatant!! :eek:

Now that is just blatant!! :eek:

Yeah, it's also the first time I've flamed myself. Which is kind of odd.

Now that is just blatant!! :eek:

Don't worry, I already posted in Moderation about this bullshit.

Don't worry, I already posted in Moderation about this bullshit.

You start a flame war, you deal with it. I, in the mean time, am going to quit this thread and hope it gets locked.

You start a flame war, you deal with it.

Really? Take a nice, long look at the post you replied to, and my reply to yours. I was hardly flaming there.

You start a flame war, you deal with it.

We'll see what the moderators say.

Isn't it sad that a music thread degenerated into this?

Isn't it sad that a music thread degenerated into this?

*Starts playing Why can't we be friends?*

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12150090&postcount=264
"So you're admitting that you look stupid?"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12150097&postcount=266
"No, I'm admitting you're a slack jawed idiot who isn't worth arguing with."

Proportional insults. Didn't need comment from Heculisis, as both are flames, not just Zarakon.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12150117&postcount=271
"Well, get this into your head: What I did wasn't a flame. I was simply stating fact."

1) It is not a fact that Zakaron looks stupid, it's your opinion.
2) We've established here that "fact" can be flame depending on how it's presented. Example: "Many Americans are obese." vs. "I guess you're one of those waddling fatties, Yank."

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12150120&postcount=273
Heculisis: "So basically, you can't back up your point with facts and so you've resorted to attacking someones personal nature. The spitting image of logic and reasoning you are."

So basically, you're instigating the flames.

How about this: all three of you cut the crap and talk music before I warn you all.

*Starts playing Why can't we be friends?*

Now THAT'S music :D

On that happy note, Does anybody here listen to Catch twenty-two or Streetlight Manifesto?

Your a complete moron if you're suggesting all the bands I listed are without talent. =/ As for thier lyrics, I dont care what you think, if you like shitty classic rock, stick too that. Ill stick too my thing.

And once again, you suffer from a lack of blood, or possibly a fist-sized tumor in your skull, if you define the Kaiser Chiefs and Franz Ferdinand, as MTV emo. =/

Could you uhm, maybe refer a band too me?

MTV emo is boring. You should investigate some real emo.

You should listen to some Four Hundred Years, some Small Brown Bike, some Saetia, some Mohinder and some Rites of Spring. :)

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/mohinder.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/fourhundredyears.html

I'm too lazy to find more links...

http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/

That page has an assload of stuff.

MTV emo is boring. You should investigate some real emo.

You should listen to some Four Hundred Years, some Small Brown Bike, some Saetia, some Mohinder and some Rites of Spring. :)

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/mohinder.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/fourhundredyears.html

I'm too lazy to find more links...

http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/

That page has an assload of stuff.

Took you long enough! Where have you been? We could have used your help 4 pages ago (On my browser, but I'm set to max posts a page). :p

ok getting back to good bands, uh lets see

Six Feet Under
Cannibal Corpse
Bush
David Bowie
The Eagles
Journey
Silverchair
Nirvana
Seven Mary Three
Dishwalla
Harvey Danger
Bob Marley
Elva Hsiao (if u like Taiwanese artist)
Creed
Ace of Base
Life House
Sublime
Sting (including the Police)
PAW
SPM
Green Day
Louis Armstrong
Otis Redding
Major Harris
Bee Gees
Slipknot
Smashing Pumpkins
Buttholesurfers

There will be more as i come to think of them, these are just a few of my favorites

ok getting back to good bands, uh lets see

Six Feet Under
Cannibal Corpse
Bush
David Bowie
The Eagles
Journey
Silverchair
Nirvana
Seven Mary Three
Dishwalla
Harvey Danger
Bob Marley
Elva Hsiao (if u like Taiwanese artist)
Creed
Ace of Base
Life House
Sublime
Sting (including the Police)
PAW
SPM
Green Day
Louis Armstrong
Otis Redding
Major Harris
Bee Gees
Slipknot
Smashing Pumpkins
Buttholesurfers

There will be more as i come to think of them, these are just a few of my favorites

Never been a big fan of slipnot. Their masks really aren't scary, they just look stupid to me.

Muse

i know what u mean about the mask but its the music that they make that i like. Something about them just having 3 drummers and making it sound really fast. thats what i like about them

MTV emo is boring. You should investigate some real emo.

You should listen to some Four Hundred Years, some Small Brown Bike, some Saetia, some Mohinder and some Rites of Spring. :)

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/mohinder.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/fourhundredyears.html

I'm too lazy to find more links...

http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/

That page has an assload of stuff.

Well, by real emo, if you mean stuff that isnt mainstream now, like say, MCR before the whole MTV thing, then you'll be delighted too know, I only listen too thier older songs. ^_^ (or at least before the INSANE popularity)

Muse



:eek:

Well, by real emo, if you mean stuff that isnt mainstream now, like say, MCR before the whole MTV thing, then you'll be delighted too know, I only listen too thier older songs. ^_^ (or at least before the INSANE popularity)

*sigh*

He said real Emo, not pop music claiming to be emo. Go listen to Rites of Spring and then maybe you'll understand.

*sigh*

He said real Emo, not pop music claiming to be emo. Go listen to Rites of Spring and then maybe you'll understand.

Erm, I though by your definition pop-emo meant that the band is uneccesarily popular. If you'd have read the snip, you'd know I listen too MCR classics, before they got really huge. I dont care much for the black parade album. =/

Erm, I though by your definition pop-emo meant that the band is uneccesarily popular. If you'd have read the snip, you'd know I listen too MCR classics, before they got really huge. I dont care much for the black parade album. =/

No, pop is a mindset, not a popularity. You can be obscure and still be pop.

No, pop is a mindset, not a popularity. You can be obscure and still be pop.

*thinks Fallout Boy*
*pukes*

Good god these guys are awesome!!! My friend just showed them to me.
http://www.myspace.com/notorsoska
Amazing ska band.

*thinks Fallout Boy*
*pukes*

*Pats Ruffy's Back*

Don't worry, they'll be out again in 2 or 3 years and you won't have to think about them any more.

They'll just be replaced by a similar boy-band with a different name.

Right now I'm listening to Blur... they're pretty neat. *throws arms in front of face for flame-protection*

Also, has anyone heard of Behind Crimson Eyes? They're *shifts glance all directions* cool. *holds up polyester blanket* Oh wait. *chucks blanket, looks around, and uses arms again*

Did I mention Swans, Pentagram, or the Germs yet?

/snipIt's about time you got a pic!

<Thinks of the dearth of self-pics on his computer.>
<Scurries off.>

I'm not checking 21 pages but I'm going to say Metallica, if it isn't already said. Others shall include: Alice in Chains, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Pink Floyd, Sevendust, Disturbed, Stone Sour, and let's just go out there and say 3 Doors Down too.

I'm not checking 21 pages but I'm going to say Metallica, if it isn't already said. Others shall include: Alice in Chains, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Pink Floyd, Sevendust, Disturbed, Stone Sour, and let's just go out there and say 3 Doors Down too.

Yea I included Metallica in my list awhile back but you don't have to look through that many pages of argements. 3 doors down is pretty good as well.

*thinks Fallout Boy*
*pukes*

*thinks of your mom*
*remmembers that fateful night....*

No, pop is a mindset, not a popularity. You can be obscure and still be pop.

Im sorry, but this seems absolute ludacris too me, as the abreviation suggests that the actual definition refers too the physical word, namely popularity.

If pop is a mindset, then millions of americans think alike. As for being obscure and pop, are you telling me the "sweaty austrian polka quartet" rival Good Charlotte?

Im sorry, but this seems absolute ludacris too me, as the abreviation suggests that the actual definition refers too the physical word, namely popularity.

If pop is a mindset, then millions of americans think alike. As for being obscure and pop, are you telling me the "sweaty austrian polka quartet" rival Good Charlotte?

Of course not, the sweaty austrians are far better. Plus pop is most definitly a mind set.

*thinks of your mom*
*remmembers that fateful night....*

*thinks of better insults* *remembers you listen to fall out boy*

here's some good indie stuff

the mountain goats
the shins
elliott smith
sufjan stevens
ben folds
ben folds five
jason king
bright eyes
all time quarterback
my morning jacket
!!!

Heres some other good stuff:
No torso
string cheese incident (stupid name, amazing band)
Dead Kennedys
Dead milkmen (favorite song: taking retards to the zoo)
Umphrey's Mcgee
Dreamtheater

here's some good indie stuff

the mountain goats
the shins
elliott smith
sufjan stevens
ben folds
ben folds five
jason king
bright eyes
all time quarterback
my morning jacket
!!!
Ben folds is amazing!! and he's also an example of someone who's considered pop music but isn't as well known as someone like Good Charlotte.

Im sorry, but this seems absolute ludacris too me, as the abreviation suggests that the actual definition refers too the physical word, namely popularity.

If pop is a mindset, then millions of americans think alike. As for being obscure and pop, are you telling me the "sweaty austrian polka quartet" rival Good Charlotte?

Millions of Americans do think alike. Why else would I consider it important to differentiate between myself and them? I despise them, and I despise the way they think.

And yes, if the "Sweaty Austrian Polka Quartet" exist with selling records in mind, care only about being popular (that doesn't mean they are popular), use their music as a vehicle for mindless, vapid lyrics, and simply care about sounding good, they are the same as Good Charlotte. They're probably better, too, since Good Charlotte is musically uninteresting, and Austrian Polkas are lots of fun.

Pop is just a mindset. It's a mindset of mindless, sexually driven, music that intends to sell a synthetic world that is all the fantasy of the "musicians" to people because it cannot deal with the real one. It is just materialistic, money-grubing, un-art.

Pop is just a mindset. It's a mindset of mindless, sexually driven, music that intends to sell a synthetic world that is all the fantasy of the "musicians" to people because it cannot deal with the real one. It is just materialistic, money-grubing, un-art.

What if its good mindless, sexually driven, music that intends to sell a synthetic world that is all the fantasy of the musicians to people it cannot deal with the real one? Its still good music.:D Listen to music before you judge it, I've been taught this lesson over and over again.

...okay, so I'm not about to go through 21 pages, but here's my personal favourites. Papa Roach, Three Days Grace, Evanescence, Metallica, Nirvana, Led Zepplin, Green Day's old stuff...and for a little bit mellower, Stabilo.

*sits back and awaits flaming which will most likely come*

What if its good mindless, sexually driven, music that intends to sell a synthetic world that is all the fantasy of the musicians to people it cannot deal with the real one? Its still good music.:D Listen to music before you judge it, I've been taught this lesson over and over again.

Sorry, Hec, but I don't listen to music for the pleasure of just hearing pleasant noise. I listen to music to listen to art.

L arc en ciel is awsome

Sorry, Hec, but I don't listen to music for the pleasure of just hearing pleasant noise. I listen to music to listen to art.

You tred on dangerous ground there my friend. Art is almost impossible to define as is music. Its also a debate I've had with my music teacher many a time.

Art is... impossible to define.

Correct.

...okay, so I'm not about to go through 21 pages, but here's my personal favourites. Papa Roach, Three Days Grace, Evanescence, Metallica, Nirvana, Led Zepplin, Green Day's old stuff...and for a little bit mellower, Stabilo.

*sits back and awaits flaming which will most likely come*

I believe you'll be waiting for a long time.

I believe you'll be waiting for a long time.


I believe you are right. :)

You tred on dangerous ground there my friend. Art is almost impossible to define as is music. Its also a debate I've had with my music teacher many a time.

Art is expression. There's just expression worth listening to and expression that is useless and trite.

*Pats Ruffy's Back*

Don't worry, they'll be out again in 2 or 3 years and you won't have to think about them any more.

They'll just be replaced by a similar boy-band with a different name.

*cries*

You know, I don't get this punk pop poularity.

I really don't.

All I can see is that they profit from 13 year old emo girls.

*cries*

You know, I don't get this punk pop poularity.

I really don't.

All I can see is that they profit from 13 yeard old emo girls.

Ah, but 13-year-old "Emo" girls make up a large enough portion of the music business that it doesn't matter that everyone else hates them... After all...

"Money makes the world go 'round; world go 'round"

Art is expression. There's just expression worth listening to and expression that is useless and trite.

When does expression cross the line, though?

Like.. the.. commercialization of.. um.. expression, how do you tell?

Can you tell I'm drunk?

Ah, but 13-year-old "Emo" girls make up a large enough portion of the music business that it doesn't matter that everyone else hates them... After all...

"Money makes the world go 'round; world go 'round"

It's really sad.

*cries*

You know, I don't get this punk pop poularity.

I really don't.

All I can see is that they profit from 13 year old emo girls.

I am ashamed too share many a fan base with them...

Anywho, pop punk is an alternative too the harder genres of punk, more apolitical and lack of gritutiotus sexual detail and profanity. Mainstream appropriate.

When does expression cross the line, though?

Like.. the.. commercialization of.. um.. expression, how do you tell?

Can you tell I'm drunk?

Um... Huh? Erm... Art is a means of selling expression, so it is, by it's nature, a commmercialization of expression, no?

Hey, you're writing accurately enough... If you're drunk, you're a hell of a co-ordinated drunk.

I am ashamed too share many a fan base with them...

Anywho, pop punk is an alternative too the harder genres of punk, more apolitical and lack of gritutiotus sexual detail and profanity. Mainstream appropriate.

Lack of any content at all, morelike.

Ausha, how much real punk have you ever even heard before?

Um... Huh? Erm... Art is a means of selling expression, so it is, by it's nature, a commmercialization of expression, no?

Hey, you're writing accurately enough... If you're drunk, you're a hell of a co-ordinated drunk.

Ah.... okies.

Well.. I try to make it.. um.. understnadable. Takes a while.

Lack of any content at all, morelike.

Ausha, how much real punk have you ever even heard before?


Look! A dancing monkey!

*Opens windown too the room we are in*





(if by real punk, you mean anti-mainstream, independant....none. The only thing I listen too without a major label is british indie.)

(if by real punk, you me anti-mainstream, independant....none. The only thing I listen too without a major label is british indie.)

So... What you're saying is that you are conversing entirely through your hat.

Well... That's nice to know. I suggest that before attempting to discuss what is or, as in this case, is not punk, that you listen to some real punk. It will help you to understand the topic.

And, coincidentally, that's my monkey.

So... What you're saying is that you are conversing entirely through your hat.

Well... That's nice to know. I suggest that before attempting to discuss what is or, as in this case, is not punk, that you listen to some real punk. It will help you to understand the topic.

And, coincidentally, that's my monkey.

Coincidentally, that would consititue listening too what you define as real punk, and would conflict with other understandings...


Gentlemen, we have reached an impass. Sword fight too the death then?


*turns on the Kaiser Chiefs*

Coincidentally, that would consititue listening too what you define as real punk, and would conflict with other understandings...

Huh? That made erm... Less than no sense...

Favorite bands, in no order:

King Crimson
Rush
Queensryche
Nine Inch Nails
Tool
The Mars Volta
System of a Down
Dream Theater
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd

When does expression cross the line, though?

Like.. the.. commercialization of.. um.. expression, how do you tell?

Can you tell I'm drunk?

Even harder to tell. It really is all a perspective thing.

Coincidentally, that would consititue listening too what you define as real punk, and would conflict with other understandings...


Gentlemen, we have reached an impass. Sword fight too the death then?


*turns on the Kaiser Chiefs*
hmmm...it would seem your logic is even more confusing than mine. Congratulations. *gives round of aplause*

hmmm...it would seem your logic is even more confusing than mine. Congratulations. *gives round of aplause*

That or it's drugs speaking :P. I'm not sure if he said he wouldn't listen to real punk because it would change his mind (god forbid!) or if he litteraly just paroted back to me what I just said.

Did anyone see Panic! at the disco on the New Year's Eve thing? I mean, are their voices usually that quiet, or did their amps not work?

Check out Sonata Artica.


I'M
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Check out Sonata Artica.


Machinae Supremacy are better. :p

Sonata totally loses out to less poppish ensembles like Epica, too.

Machinae Supremacy are better. :p


Must check this out.

Must check this out.

From the band's official website: http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/webography.html

In no particular order
Wu Tang Clan
Pavement
Nerf Herder
Cake
Hometown Hero
Nada Surf
The White Stripes
System Of A Down
Dragonforce

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*Casts animate dead*