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Mods, do me a huge favor and just delete this. It's a flame war.

Depending on what your tastes are, you should like one of the following:

Biffy Clyro
Oceansize
Mogwai
Death Cab For Cutie
Gomez
Broken Social Scene
Aereogramme
Radiohead
Snow Patrol
Weezer
Arab Strap
Elbow
Doves

I hate these threads...I never know what to put for anything.

The Smiths...(Yes, proceed to throw fruit at me now).

For all your pop-punk and mild emo needs, see: Fall Out Boy

For all your pop-punk and mild emo needs, see: Fall Out Boy

And then stab yourself in the eye, repeatedly, as punishment for listening to them willingly.

And then stab yourself in the eye as punishment for listening to them willingly.

I love you. :fluffle:

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!

A brief list:

A Perfect Circle,
AC/DC,
Aerosmith,
Al Green,
Aretha Franklin,
At the Drive-In,
Audioslave,
Beastie Boys,
Beatles,
Beck,
Ben E. King,
Bjork,
Black Sabbath,
Bob Dylan,
Bob Marley,
Chemical Brothers,
The Clash,
Cream,
Cypress Hill,
DJ Dangermouse,
Deep Purple,
Doors,
Fontella Bass,
Guns 'N' Roses,
Jane's Addiction,
Jimi Hendrix,
Johnny Cash,
Kings of Leon,
Kiss,
L7,
Led Zeppelin,
Lou Reed,
Mars Volta,
Moloko,
Muse,
My Bloody Valentine,
Otis Redding,
Pink Floyd,
Public Enemy,
Rage Against the Machine,
Ray Charles,
Sparta,
the Stooges,
Sufjan Stevens,
Tool,
Velvet Revolver,
Who,
Wolfmother

Edit: Ooh, I'm a 'Semi-Pro Sp@mPig' now :D

I love you. :fluffle:

:)

radiohead
queen
mars volta

A brief list:

A Perfect Circle,
AC/DC,
Aerosmith,
Al Green,
Aretha Franklin,
At the Drive-In,
Audioslave,
Beastie Boys,
Beatles,
Beck,
Ben E. King,
Bjork,
Black Sabbath,
Bob Dylan,
Bob Marley,
Chemical Brothers,
The Clash,
Cream,
Cypress Hill,
DJ Dangermouse,
Deep Purple,
Doors,
Fontella Bass,
Guns 'N' Roses,
Jane's Addiction,
Jimi Hendrix,
Johnny Cash,
Kings of Leon,
Kiss,
L7,
Led Zeppelin,
Lou Reed,
Mars Volta,
Moloko,
Muse,
My Bloody Valentine,
Otis Redding,
Pink Floyd,
Public Enemy,
Rage Against the Machine,
Ray Charles,
Sparta,
the Stooges,
Sufjan Stevens,
Tool,
Velvet Revolver,
Who,
Wolfmother

Edit: Ooh, I'm a 'Semi-Pro Sp@mPig' now :D



Nice list. Out of all of those ,there are only a few that I don't have on my computer for listening access. Yaaaar.

Actually, there are no good bands.

For all your pop-punk and mild emo needs, see: Fall Out Boy

Fall Out Boy = NOT emo. At all.

I recommend some Small Brown Bike and like I mention in every music thread, Orchid.

Just a short list:

12 Stones
A Perfect Circle
ACDC
Adema (old stuff)
Aerosmith
Alice in Chains
Amon Amarth
The Aquabats
The Arrogant Sons of Bitches
Atreyu
Audioslave
Avenged Sevenfold
Bad Religion
Beck
Black Sabbath
Blindside
Bloodhound Gang
Boston
Bowling for Soup
Breaking Benjamin
Bush
Busta Rhymes
Cake
Chevelle
Children of Bodom
The Clash
Cradle of Filth
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Crossfade
The Crystal Method
Daft Punk
Danzig
The Dead Kennedys
Dire Straits
Dimmu Borgir
Disturbed
Element Eighty
Evanescence (old stuff)
Everlast
Faith No More
Five Iron Frenzy
Flogging Molly
Godsmack
Golfinger
Greenday
Group X
Guns n' Roses
Gwar
hed pe
HORSE the Band
Incubus
Infected Mushroom
Kaizers Orchestra
Korn
Led Zeppelin
Less Than Jake
Linkin Park
Lit
Lordi
Lost Prophets
Ludacris
Lustra
Mastodon
Metallica
The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Motorhead
Mudvayne
Mushroomhead
MXPX
Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
NOFX
The Offspring
Opeth
Outkast
Ozzy Osbourne
Pantera
Pink Floyd
Primus
Queen
Rage Against the Machine
Rammstein
Rancid
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Reel Big Fish
Rise Against
Rob Zombie
Save Ferris
Seether
Sevendust
Shinedown
Skindred
Slipknot
Soulfly
Soundgarden
Static-X (old stuff)
Stone Temple Pilots
Sublime
Suicide Machines
Sum 41
System of a Down
They Might be Giants
Three Days Grace
Tool
Trust Company
U2
Velvet Revolver

How can there still be no mention of the Dresden Dolls?

I also like The Decemberists and The Mountain Goats.

Ooh! For sheer weirdness factor, try The Aquabats. The only band in the history of the universe to compose a song about building a giant robot with a bird-like head to fight a giant killer eyeball from space. Also probably the only one to have a song where one of the lines is "Ronald Reagan will you help me?"

Here's the list of the best singers/bands ever. This list is not to be debated, because it's the best list in the world.

Steppenwolf
The Rolling Stones
Simon and Garfunkel
Frank Sinatra
Sammy Davis Jr.
Dean Martin
The Rat Pack
The White Stripes
Barenaked Ladies
Electric Light Orchestra
The Beatles
Sam & Dave
The Blues Brothers
Chuck Berry

My Top 10

Led Zeppelin
Radiohead
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Rage Against The Machine
Audioslave
Weezer
The Beatles
Tool
Pink Floyd
Wolfmother

I also like The Decemberists .
May god strike you down.
My personal favorites are:
Dave Matthews band
Jethro Tull
Pink Floyd
The smiths
Phish
Streetlight manifesto
Catch 22
The mighty mighty bosstones
Flogging molly
Jimi hendrix
Dragon force
sublime
Metallica
Nirvana
Ben folds
The Talking heads
Crimson King
Tenacious D (a comedy band I know, but they actually are really good)
Trey Anastasio
Grateful Dead

These threads are dumb repeats.

These threads are dumb repeats.

Then why exactly did you post on them?

Then why exactly did you post on them?

To rack up my post count of course.

A few of my personal favourites:

http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/fj_yuuka/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_band

I recommend some Small Brown Bike and like I mention in every music thread, Orchid.
Oh yes, Orchid are great. Haven't heard of Small Brown Bike though, so I'll check them out. What bands are they like, if any?

And I recommend 65daysofstatic (http://www.last.fm/music/65daysofstatic/) - danceable, post-apocalyptic "post-rock" with breakbeat influences. :p New album coming from them soon, too.

A few of my personal favourites:

http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/fj_yuuka/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_band

I really hope the second is a joke. Its the artical for an actual rubber band.

How can there still be no mention of the Dresden Dolls?

I also like The Decemberists and The Mountain Goats.

Yeah, The Decemberists are great. Go well with The Shins.

If anyone's up for a challenge, try Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band. Trout Mask Replica was their best work. Otherise, the usual. The Doors, the Stones, Derek & The Dominos, Pink Floyd, The Who. And repeat.

Okay, I officially love Flogging Molly.

To rack up my post count of course.

Well, honesty is a good quality... :p

If I had to choose out of bands and not solo singers.... I kinda range between bands like Wallflowers and Goo Goo Dolls, and X Japan and Dir en Grey... maybe even deeper into things like SoaD and Three Days Grace.

Depends on mood, really.

(Don't hurt me for not giving a definite answer.)

(Don't hurt me for not giving a definite answer.)

Yeargghh!!! *grabs noise cancelling headphones, puts on 50 cent, duct tapes it to Kiolaskji's head* YAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHH

Pink Floyd and Black Sabbath. They are, by all means, AWESOME!

A good band you've probably never heard of...

The Mike Wilson Band (http://www.myspace.com/mikewilsonut/)

And the live show puts the studio versions to shame.

[/shameless plug]I actually wasn't involved when the CD happened, but I currently play bass for the band. And the live show really does rock so much harder.

A good band you've probably never heard of...

The Mike Wilson Band (http://www.myspace.com/mikewilsonut/)



another good band is Aberdeen City. Google it up.

Pantera.I'm listening to 'em now.And Queens of the Stone Age.And Red Hot Chili Peppers.And System of a Down.And I recently discovered OK GO,they're pretty sexy.

Eh. You want the abridged version or the full version? :p

Pantera.I'm listening to 'em now.

Down (with Phil Anselmo on vocals) are better than anything Pantera ever did, IMO.

Queens of the Stone Age.

Now listen to Kyuss. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyuss) :)

Since everyone is posting (somewhat) obvious choices I'll list some not so well known bands.

Bad Brains
Los Fabulosos Cadillacs
The Darkest of the Hillside Thickets
The Cramps
The Jam
Godspeed You Black Emperor!
Quo Vadis
Golgo Bordello
World Inferno Friendship Society

And check out Bad Religions Against the Grain. The best album of their career and arguably the best punk album of the 90's.

No-one has mentioned Prodigy (/ The Prodigy, I've heard them go by either) Tom Waits (Solo, not band, oh well) Polysics, Bright Eyes.

Hmm good bands.

Uhh:

Apocalyptica
Blue Oyster Cult (^.^)
Depeche Mode
Iron Maiden
Manowar
Meryful Fate
Motorhead
Pixies, The
Prodigy
Rammstein

Since everyone is posting (somewhat) obvious choices I'll list some not so well known bands.

These are cool...

Bad Brains
The Cramps
Godspeed You Black Emperor!
And these sound interesting...

The Darkest of the Hillside Thickets
Golgo Bordello

Down (with Phil Anselmo on vocals) are better than anything Pantera ever did, IMO.


Perhaps,each to their own,but you can't deny Pantera did some pretty amazing stuff.

Perhaps,each to their own,but you can't deny Pantera did some pretty amazing stuff.

They're okay and I don't really have anything against them. For some reason they just never really jumped out at me.

They're okay and I don't really have anything against them. For some reason they just never really jumped out at me.

QFT

For all your pop-punk and mild emo needs, see: Fall Out Boy

You're fucking tragic love. FOB do not count as a genre band, simply a popular commodity.

Personally, I really like Avenged Sevenfold, Beyond all Reason and Biffy Clyro right now.

I really hope the second is a joke. Its the artical for an actual rubber band.

Always glad when someone gets the joke.

And these sound interesting...

Darkest is a Lovecraft themed band from Canada. Good stuff if you can find their music (I had to actually buy their CD's). Golgo Bordello is a fusion punk band that has influences from Gypsy music. They're a bit of an acquired taste though.

Let's start with some classics, and then you can expand from there.

Husker Du
The Ramones
Rush
Sex Pistols

Get to it.

They're okay and I don't really have anything against them. For some reason they just never really jumped out at me.

Fair enough,like I said each to their own.Truth be told,took me a little while to like some of their stuff,but I find it was worth it.

A few that I didn't see mentioned:
Local H
Foetus
Switchblade Symphony
Ministry
the Gits
Jack off Jill
Cathedral
Candlemass
Sentenced
Napalm Death
Death
Sebadoh
Dinosaur Jr.
the Plasmatics

And check out Bad Religions Against the Grain. The best album of their career and arguably the best punk album of the 90's.I disagree, on both counts. Recipe For Hate is better. But that one's good, too.

The Pixies
Death Cab for Cutie
Arcade Fire
The Smiths
PJ Harvey
Morrissey
Muse
Television
The Jayhawks
Nina Simone
John Coltrane (before he quit the junk)
Wilco
Pete Yorn
Dredg
Metallica (Pre-Black album)
Matisyahu
Bob Marley
Black Flag
Fugazi
Nirvana
Dead Kennedys
U2 (Minus the pompous self serving Bono activism)
Smashing Pumpkins
Velvet Underground
The Kinks
The Ramones
Carlos Santana
Primal Scream
The Doors
REM (IRS years)

Okay, I officially love Flogging Molly.

amazing band.

Dragon Force= Fucking amazing band

Hmm, good bands...

Wu-Tang Clan
Small Brown Bike
The Locust
Sonic Youth
Leftover Crack
Crass

Unexpect
Haggard
Tyr
Arcturus
Age of Silence
Winds
Windir
Emperor
Vintersorg
Finntroll

some of the best bands ever.

And then stab yourself in the eye, repeatedly, as punishment for listening to them willingly.

If your the type who listens too Justin Timberlake or Christina Agulera (namely you) then by all means...

Fall Out Boy = NOT emo. At all.

I recommend some Small Brown Bike and like I mention in every music thread, Orchid.

*ehem* Thats pretty dumb too say. They are emo, though not that hardcore.

If your the type who listens too Justin Timberlake or Christina Agulera (namely you) then by all means...

No, she actually listens to good bands, whereas it seems that you do not.

*ehem* Thats pretty dumb too say. They are emo, though not that hardcore.

They're just bad.They're not any genre.Just bad.

hmmm cant beleive noone mentioned Nightwish or Otep, two of my favourite ever ever bands.

My good bands are:

Nightwish
Otep
Guano Apes
Hole
Dresden Dolls
Arch Enemy
The Distillers
My Ruin
Atreyu

Just a short list:

12 Stones
A Perfect Circle
ACDC
Adema (old stuff)
Aerosmith
Alice in Chains
Amon Amarth
The Aquabats
The Arrogant Sons of Bitches
Atreyu
Audioslave
Avenged Sevenfold
Bad Religion
Beck
Black Sabbath
Blindside
Bloodhound Gang
Boston
Bowling for Soup
Breaking Benjamin
Bush
Busta Rhymes
Cake
Chevelle
Children of Bodom
The Clash
Cradle of Filth
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Crossfade
The Crystal Method
Daft Punk
Danzig
The Dead Kennedys
Dire Straits
Dimmu Borgir
Disturbed
Element Eighty
Evanescence (old stuff)
Everlast
Faith No More
Five Iron Frenzy
Flogging Molly
Godsmack
Golfinger
Greenday
Group X
Guns n' Roses
Gwar
hed pe
HORSE the Band
Incubus
Infected Mushroom
Kaizers Orchestra
Korn
Led Zeppelin
Less Than Jake
Linkin Park
Lit
Lordi
Lost Prophets
Ludacris
Lustra
Mastodon
Metallica
The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Motorhead
Mudvayne
Mushroomhead
MXPX
Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
NOFX
The Offspring
Opeth
Outkast
Ozzy Osbourne
Pantera
Pink Floyd
Primus
Queen
Rage Against the Machine
Rammstein
Rancid
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Reel Big Fish
Rise Against
Rob Zombie
Save Ferris
Seether
Sevendust
Shinedown
Skindred
Slipknot
Soulfly
Soundgarden
Static-X (old stuff)
Stone Temple Pilots
Sublime
Suicide Machines
Sum 41
System of a Down
They Might be Giants
Three Days Grace
Tool
Trust Company
U2
Velvet Revolver
short? Well i guess you didn;t list the all the bands in the category of rock or metal, but thats quite a bit. Good bands though.

I disagree, on both counts. Recipe For Hate is better. But that one's good, too.

Wow. You're the only person I've heard say that Recipe for Hate is better. Oh well, to each his (her?) own.

Wu-Tang Clan

Agreed times infinity.

Portishead
Massive Attack
Faithless
Eels
DJ Shadow (Endtroducing, at least)
Röyksopp

Others are good too, but those are probably my favourites at the moment.

65daysofstatic. I know some of you were waiting for it.

65daysofstatic. I know some of you were waiting for it.
*wins bet with self*
And I've been listening to some of their stuff on Youtube, and I am impressed. They shall be joining my CD collection in short order.

Darkest is a Lovecraft themed band from Canada.

Are you familiar with Rudimentary Peni's Lovecraft influenced LP? A hidden classic and no mistake.

If I were to list but one band it would be Led Zeppelin.

And my true love gave to me this Christmas The Led Zepppelin Anthology ~ oinly 4 hours and 50 minutes of the best.

Mikeswill

Love Conquers Fear

Are you familiar with Rudimentary Peni's Lovecraft influenced LP? A hidden classic and no mistake.

I was not, but thank you for making me aware of it. I'm always on the lookout for music influced by the "Lovecraft Mythos", or by literature in general (Touched by the Crimson King by Demons and Wizards as one example).

I disagree, on both counts. Recipe For Hate is better. But that one's good, too.

Suffer is better than either. In the 90's they start to do the whole pop thing, and things start to suck. Grey Race is okay, though.

*ehem* Thats pretty dumb too say. They are emo, though not that hardcore.

No they aren't. Emo is bands like Rights of Spring, Embrace, Fugazi, and others like them (Soviet Haregraad would know more of them than me, as I only listen to the stuff that came out of D.C.). Fall out Boy are just a pop band.

I was not, but thank you for making me aware of it. I'm always on the lookout for music influced by the "Lovecraft Mythos", or by literature in general (Touched by the Crimson King by Demons and Wizards as one example).

Electric Wizard have a lot of Lovecraft references in their songs and cite his works (as well as other gothic horror writers) as a major influence. Be warned, however, they're extremely heavy and not to everyone's taste.

grateful dead
phish
led zeppelin
pink floyd
who
joplin
CCR
crosby, stills, nash, young
hendrix
strawberry alarm clock
buffalo springfield
the doors
the clash
beatles
country joe and the fish
13th floor elevators

this stuff + chemical x = the walls start to melt and a dragon on your shoulder starts explaining about how the corporations are taking over the world

Mine are sort of mainstream, but w/e.

Black Lab
Collective Soul
U2
Nine Inch Nails
The Kronos Quartet (Requiem for a Dream soundtrack)
Live
Marcy Playground
Tonic
Cake or Death
Semisonic
Jerry Berlongieri
CCR

Ones I forgot to mention,

Cake, Lords of Acid.

Actually, that's just about it for me (And the ones I listed earlier)

*snip*

You, sir, are a legend.

grateful dead
phish
led zeppelin
pink floyd
who
joplin
CCR
crosby, stills, nash, young
hendrix
strawberry alarm clock
buffalo springfield
the doors
the clash
beatles
country joe and the fish
13th floor elevators

this stuff + chemical x = the walls start to melt and a dragon on your shoulder starts explaining about how the corporations are taking over the world

How could I forget the dead? They're so awesome

I was not, but thank you for making me aware of it.

Cool. Called Cacophony. A collection of about 30 musical pieces, most averaging about 50 seconds, linked with a selection of bizarre spoken/chanted sections. All produced by an ostensablt 'punk/hardcore' band with a singer who was not unfamiliar with the inside of a mental asylum himself.

_________

To whet your taste, the lyrics to the mainly spoken piece 'Twitch':

Howard Phillips Lovecraft, heaven knows, had a talent for writing which was of no means proportion: only what he did with this talent was a shame, and a caution and an eldritch horror. If he'd only gotten the hell out of his aunties' attic and obtained a job with the federal writer's project of the WPA, he could have turned out guidebooks that would have been classics and joys to read forever. Only he stayed up there muffled up to the tip of his long gaunt New England chin against the cold which lay more in his heart than in his thermometer, living on 19 cents worth of beans a day, rewriting (for pennies) the crappy manuscripts of writers whose complete illiteracy would have been a boon to all mankind -ah, but life is a boon- and producing ghastly, grisly, ghoulish, and horrifying works of his own as well -of maneating things which foraged in graveyards, of human/beastie crosses which grew beastlier and beastlier as they grew older, of gibbering Shoggoths and Elder beings which smelt real bad and were always trying to break through thresholds and take over; rugous, squamous, amorphous nasties abbetted by thin, gaunt New England eccentrics who dwelt in attics and who were eventually never seen or heard from again. Serve them damn well right, I say. In short, Howard was a twitch, boys and girls, and that's all there is to it.

Liquid Tension Experiment
and
Skinny Puppy


and most certainly many others, some of which were already mentioned.

No, she actually listens to good bands, whereas it seems that you do not.

Pray tell? :rolleyes:

Suffer is better than either. In the 90's they start to do the whole pop thing, and things start to suck. Grey Race is okay, though.



No they aren't. Emo is bands like Rights of Spring, Embrace, Fugazi, and others like them (Soviet Haregraad would know more of them than me, as I only listen to the stuff that came out of D.C.). Fall out Boy are just a pop band.

Pop punk yes, and yes they are emo. For gods sake...the basist attempted suicide, paints his nails, and yes....wears the emo cut at times. If you have actually heared some of thier lyrics, you would know.

They're just bad.They're not any genre.Just bad.

Its called alternative/pop punk. Obivously nothing too dare compare too your genre of prefrence.

If your the type who listens too Justin Timberlake or Christina Agulera (namely you) then by all means...

I'm sorry, did you actually read my list? It was just a sample of what I listen to, so it's not very long and shouldn't tax your poor brain too hard, and it's easy to find too; the first reply in the thread!

Pray tell? :rolleyes:

Fallout Boy? Please.

And I can't believe you're actually into them because you think it's cool that their bassist attempted suicide (and that they paint their fingernails and have fruity haircuts).

I'd sigh, but I feel that it's too much effort for something like this.

I'm sorry, did you actually read my list? It was just a sample of what I listen to, so it's not very long and shouldn't tax your poor brain too hard, and it's easy to find too; the first reply in the thread!

Speaking of good music, have you checked out Husker Du and Bob Mould yet (Sugar even)?

Its called alternative/pop punk. Obivously nothing too dare compare too your genre of prefrence.

This is why no one listens to you. You associate yourself with one genre of music and only listen to that genre. If you expanded your horizens to outside that rather crappy genre, you would find that there are far better bands and musicians to listen to.

Pop punk yes, and yes they are emo. For gods sake...the basist attempted suicide, paints his nails, and yes....wears the emo cut at times. If you have actually heared some of thier lyrics, you would know.

None of those are emo at all. That's just stupid depressed shit. That has nothing to do with emo. Emo was a form of punk (which Fall out Boy has nothing to do with, except a commercializing and selling-out thereof) which was still actively political within the hardcore scene. It did talk about suicide, but only in a condemnitive tone (See Embrace: Past).

What you are talking about is the pop bullshit being sold to you by MTV as Emo. It has nothing to do with anything but pop, and it insults real artists to compare it to any real art movement.

Fallout Boy? Please.

And I can't believe you're actually into them because you think it's cool that their bassist attempted suicide

How much do you want to bet he failed on purpose because he knew it'd get the ban more fans among the "Tortured youth with a lot of money and nothing to be sad about" crowd.


Also, I heard the Dresden Dolls last night. Anyone with a song about abortion, and a song that sounds like it's about sex toys (but turns out it isn't) is FTW, in my opinion. 'Cause I'm a sicko.

Also, I heard the Dresden Dolls last night. Anyone with a song about abortion, and a song that sounds like it's about sex toys (but turns out it isn't) is FTW, in my opinion. 'Cause I'm a sicko.

You must be a big fan of the Sex Pistols, then.

ramones. NIRVANA! beatles. smashing pumpkins. violent femmes. wench. jimi hendrix and the doors. only to name a few.

ramones. NIRVANA! beatles. smashing pumpkins. violent femmes. wench. jimi hendrix and the doors. only to name a few.

Violent Femmes has got to be one of the funniest names for a band ever.

King Crimson is the best band.

Also, I heard the Dresden Dolls last night. Anyone with a song about abortion, and a song that sounds like it's about sex toys (but turns out it isn't) is FTW, in my opinion. 'Cause I'm a sicko.
Dresden Dolls are cool. I'd love to see them at some point. I can imagine seeing (and hearing) Amanda Palmer live is quite an experience.

some random stuff i listened to lately:

anthony and the johnsons
godspeed you! black emperor
xiu xiu
red sparowes
joanna newsom
fog
devendra banhart
patrick wolf
autechre

Violent Femmes has got to be one of the funniest names for a band ever.

you know it:D

Speaking of good music, have you checked out Husker Du and Bob Mould yet (Sugar even)?

Yea, I checked out a bit of Husker Du. Seemed pretty cool, what's the best album to get?

You must be a big fan of the Sex Pistols, then.

Never heard 'em.

Speaking of the Dresden Dolls, I think "Shores of California" and "Coin-operated Boy" are some of my favorite songs...

Yea, I checked out a bit of Husker Du. Seemed pretty cool, what's the best album to get?

Jesus Christ, that's a tough one. Every single album is good... Hmm, check out New Day Rising first, as it has their unbelievable "Celebrated Summer".

While New Day Rising is a rather up-beat album, their previous one, Zen Arcade, is very dark and gritty. The best song out of all two discs is probably "Newest Industry", which has some very dark lyrics about a boy trying to stay alive in a world that's gone to crap.

Never heard 'em.

Speaking of the Dresden Dolls, I think "Shores of California" and "Coin-operated Boy" are some of my favorite songs...

You should definitely check out the Sex Pistols. They were a real band in the truest sense of the word, though they had the worst manage ever. And that is by no means an understatement.

Jesus Christ, that's a tough one. Every single album is good... Hmm, check out New Day Rising first, as it has their unbelievable "Celebrated Summer".

While New Day Rising is a rather up-beat album, their previous one, Zen Arcade, is very dark and gritty. The best song out of all two discs is probably "Newest Industry", which has some very dark lyrics about a boy trying to stay alive in a world that's gone to crap.

Well, I've just begun the process of acquiring both those albums...if I like them enough I might even involve some money! ;)

Never heard 'em.

They have both a song about abortion (Bodies) and a song about sex toys that masquerades about not being about sex toys (Sub Mission), which, according to your first post in the thread, makes them awesome.

Fallout Boy? Please.

And I can't believe you're actually into them because you think it's cool that their bassist attempted suicide (and that they paint their fingernails and have fruity haircuts).

I'd sigh, but I feel that it's too much effort for something like this.

No, your misinterpreting what I said. I was addressing someone saying that were not emo, giving examples on how so. (The basists) Show me where I stated any of that was cool, or in my interest whatsoever.

Note how you do not post your bands of choice. If your concerned for the sake of grammar, its spelt like this: Justin Timberlake. Oh, and there are two L's in the Pussycat Dolls. Just so you'll have no trouble.

They have both a song about abortion (Bodies) and a song about sex toys that masquerades about not being about sex toys (Sub Mission), which, according to your first post in the thread, makes them awesome.

Sub-Mission has to be the most hilarious group effort ever. It's just so subtle and so entangled with double entandres...

...Not only is it a total "fuck you" to Malcolm McLaren, it's a subtle "fuck you" to radio stations. :D

No, your misinterpreting what I said. I was addressing someone saying that were not emo, giving examples on how so. (The basists) Show me where I stated any of that was cool, or in my interest whatsoever.

Note how you do not post your bands of choice. If your concerned for the sake of grammar, its spelt like this: Justin Timberlake. Oh, and there are two L's in the Pussycat Dolls. Just so you'll have no trouble.

Wow, you put words into my mouth, and told me that I like something that I wouldn't even touch with a hundred yard pole.

Get a fucking life.

This is why no one listens to you. You associate yourself with one genre of music and only listen to that genre. If you expanded your horizens to outside that rather crappy genre, you would find that there are far better bands and musicians to listen to.

No one listens too me, yet you try too rebut every point I make... Not too observant are ya mate?

I love the Indie, and recently some of the Gym Class Heroes stuff. (Hip-Hop kinda) And also I wasnt aware you could really "limit" yourself too the Alternative genre seeinh what a wide range of bands it incompasses.

You judge me on liking a single genre, without giving me a chance too explain myself. And once again, someone who tries too counter me does not specifically post their genre of interest. I see a trend.

Wow, you put words into my mouth, and told me that I like something that I wouldn't even touch with a hundred yard pole.

Get a fucking life.

Despite the fact you do the same shit, then accuse me of it when you act like a complete prick, completeing ripping on something while not expressing what you like yourself.

Better than "get a f*cking life" I fell "Stop copying me" would be more appropriate.

You judge me on liking a single genre, without giving me a chance too explain myself. And once again, someone who tries too counter me does not specifically post their genre of interest. I see a trend.

We don't need to "counter" you, because we automatically win. We don't listen to Fallout Boy, and therefore, we're already on a higher plane.

Note how you do not post your bands of choice. If your concerned for the sake of grammar, its spelt like this: Justin Timberlake. Oh, and there are two L's in the Pussycat Dolls. Just so you'll have no trouble.

What's your obsession with Timberlake? Fancy him or something?

Or just assume that everybody who sees Fall Out Boy for what they are (substandard wannabe post-hardcore/emo/whatever) and dislikes them must automatically love shitty pop and r 'n' b?

Potarius has a great taste in music.

We all like our own music. Lets stop being hating other people.


" Oh no they like "crap" music must ridicule them "

but seriously I don't care what you think of my taste.

some of my fav bands:
Bon Jovi
Tenacious D
Breaking Benjamin
Evans Blue
Leaves Eyes
Greatful Dead
Nightwish
Alice Cooper
The Undertones
SOAD

What's your obsession with Timberlake? Fancy him or something?

Or just assume that everybody who sees Fall Out Boy for what they are (substandard wannabe post-hardcore/emo/whatever) and dislikes them must automatically love shitty pop and r 'n' b?

Potarius has a great taste in music.

You have a telegram. :p

Fall Out Boy for what they are (substandard wannabe post-hardcore/emo/whatever)


Dangnabit! How many times do we have to tell you people that Fob (a fitting acronym) are a pop band! They're about as Emo as poker. The shit that MTV sells people about Emo as a genre is nonsense.

Dangnabit! How many times do we have to tell you people that Fob (a fitting acronym) are a pop band! They're about as Emo as poker. The shit that MTV sells people about Emo as a genre is nonsense.

Exactly. Which is why they fucking suck.

Exactly. Which is why they fucking suck.


I never denied they were pop punk. I hate the pop R and B etc shit, for christs sake if you dont like the bands on MTV because this makes them conformists, then you must hate any band that has ever made it big from the year 2000-present.

I like them, I dont care what any body else really thinks, (especially when you post: They are just bad I hate them they suck while not posting your prefrences)

Yes they're will always be FOB haters, as they have nothing esle too do and im fine with it.

I never denied they were pop punk. I hate the pop R and B etc shit, for christs sake if you dont like the bands on MTV because this makes them conformists, then you must hate any band that has ever made it big from the year 2000-present.

I like them, I dont care what any body else really thinks, (especially when you post: They are just bad I hate them they suck while not posting your prefrences)

Yes they're will always be FOB haters, as they have nothing esle too do and im fine with it.

That's just it. They're not "Punk" even in the loosest sense of the term. They're pure Pop, and they happen to play music that remotely sounds like Rock.

And did I say that I hate bands because they're on MTV? No, and once again, you put words into my mouth. Husker Du were on MTV. Bob Mould was on MTV. Sugar were on MTV. The Sex Pistols and the Ramones were on MTV. Black Flag's video for TV Party has been on MTV. And I love all of those bands and artists.

As for hating every band that's started after the millennium, so far, you're correct. I haven't found one halfway decent band that's started since 1994, and that's saying a lot, really.

And in the context I was posting, I didn't need to post my preferences. I just said that Fallout Boy were shit, and why they were and are shit. Why I'd need to post my preferences along with that, I have no idea.

I like them, I dont care what any body else really thinks, (especially when you post: They are just bad I hate them they suck while not posting your prefrences)

Pot posts in nearly every music thread, naming bands he likes, so you can't accuse him of not posting his prefrences [sic].

I never denied they were pop punk. I hate the pop R and B etc shit, for christs sake if you dont like the bands on MTV because this makes them conformists, then you must hate any band that has ever made it big from the year 2000-present.

There is nothing punk about Fall Out Boy. Nothing. Punk is the Sex Pistols, Minor Threat, and Stiff Little Fingers. FOB is pop, no more, no less.

And yes, I do hate everything that has made it big since the year 2000. There has been nothing worth listening to at all since the early 90's. Everything is pop and rap these days.

I like them, I dont care what any body else really thinks, (especially when you post: They are just bad I hate them they suck while not posting your prefrences)

You want to know our tastes? Fine by me.

I like:

Phil Ochs
Bad Religion
X
The Bad Brains
The Dead Kennedys
Minor Threat
Fugazi
Chumbawamba (their early stuff, before Tubthumper)
Crass
Embrace (D.C. not U.K.)
Stiff Little Fingers
Yellow Journalism
and others.

That's just it. They're not "Punk" even in the loosest sense of the term. They're pure Pop, and they happen to play music that remotely sounds like Rock.

And did I say that I hate bands because they're on MTV? No, and once again, you put words into my mouth. Husker Du were on MTV. Bob Mould was on MTV. Sugar were on MTV. The Sex Pistols and the Ramones were on MTV. Black Flag's video for TV Party has been on MTV. And I love all of those bands and artists.

As for hating every band that's started after the millennium, so far, you're correct. I haven't found one halfway decent band that's started since 1994, and that's saying a lot, really.

And in the context I was posting, I didn't need to post my preferences. I just said that Fallout Boy were shit, and why they were and are shit. Why I'd need to post my preferences along with that, I have no idea.

Once again, the fact that you state FOB is not punk, proves you dont know shit about them (Evening out with your girlfriend)

Yes but when you post how shitty a band is, other than your next rebutles being "becuase thier band" I simply got annoyed and wished too know your prefrences. Now that I do (no bands since 1994) I no longer need too debate you.

There is nothing punk about Fall Out Boy. Nothing. Punk is the Sex Pistols, Minor Threat, and Stiff Little Fingers. FOB is pop, no more, no less.

And yes, I do hate everything that has made it big since the year 2000. There has been nothing worth listening to at all since the early 90's. Everything is pop and rap these days.



You want to know our tastes? Fine by me.

I like:

Phil Ochs
Bad Religion
X
The Bad Brains
The Dead Kennedys
Minor Threat
Fugazi
Chumbawamba (their early stuff, before Tubthumper)
Crass
Embrace (D.C. not U.K.)
Stiff Little Fingers
Yellow Journalism
and others.

Pop punk mate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Out_Boy%27s_Evening_Out_With_Your_Girlfriend

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_This_to_Your_Grave

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Under_the_Cork_Tree

Its just REALLY popular punk. Or was so.

Once again, the fact that you state FOB is not punk, proves you dont know shit about them (Evening out with your girlfriend)

Yes but when you post how shitty a band is, other than your next rebutles being "becuase thier band" I simply got annoyed and wished too know your prefrences. Now that I do (no bands since 1994) I no longer need too debate you.

Why? Because I actually have decent taste in music, and I know which bands fit in which genres, even though Pop media says otherwise?

Pop punk mate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Out_Boy%27s_Evening_Out_With_Your_Girlfriend

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_This_to_Your_Grave

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Under_the_Cork_Tree

Its just REALLY popular punk. Or was so.

Pop-punk is a contradiction in terms. There is no such thing as pop-punk. A band is either pop or it is punk. Punk rock is nihilism and revolution. Fall Out Boy is whining and complaining. They are signed to a major label. They are apolitical and they take part in all of the foibles and corruption that other pop bands do.

They are in no way punk. Punk has nothing to do with them. That you even think they are punk shows that you know nothing at all about Punk.

Pop-punk is a contradiction in terms. There is no such thing as pop-punk. A band is either pop or it is punk. Punk rock is nihilism and revolution. Fall Out Boy is whining and complaining. They are signed to a major label. They are apolitical and they take part in all of the foibles and corruption that other pop bands do.

They are in no way punk. Punk has nothing to do with them. That you even think they are punk shows that you know nothing at all about Punk.

Well, what could we call the Buzzcocks? They were Punk Rock, sure, but they had poppy melodies.

Well, what could we call the Buzzcocks? They were Punk Rock, sure, but they had poppy melodies.

Punk Rock with poppy melodies. Punk isn't really restrained by style. There's folk punk, dance punk, hardcore, and classic punk and none of them are even remotely similar. It's not like saying "Punk Rock" indicates more than an ideology (or rather, a lack thereof).

Punk Rock with poppy melodies. Punk isn't really restrained by style. There's folk punk, dance punk, hardcore, and classic punk and none of them are even remotely similar. It's not like saying "Punk Rock" indicates more than an ideology.

I guess so. Don't forget Mathcore, with the changing time signatures and all.

I guess so. Don't forget Mathcore, with the changing time signatures and all.

I just picked random and disperate styles. Mathcore, Powerviolence, and Emocore would count as well.

I just picked random and disperate styles. Mathcore, Powerviolence, and Emocore would count as well.

While these names are correct, I'm not really a fan of pidgeonholing... I doubt you are, either. :p

While these names are correct, I'm not really a fan of pidgeonholing... I doubt you are, either. :p

Not in the least. That said, as someone pointed out on a previous thread, it would be very difficult to describe, say, The Dead Kennedys without using the term "Hardcore".

Ah. Pandora chose to play "Chartered Trips" for me when I started this post. They had really slowed down by Zen Arcade, hadn't they?

Not in the least. That said, as someone pointed out on a previous thread, it would be very difficult to describe, say, The Dead Kennedys without using the term "Hardcore".

Ah. Pandora chose to play "Chartered Trips" for me when I started this post. They had really slowed down by Zen Arcade, hadn't they?

Oddly enough, I'm listening to Metal Circus at the moment, and yeah, their pacing was a tad slower on Zen Arcade for the most part. Of course, Mould's songs on Warehouse were very fast and energetic (Visionary!), so you really can't say that they ever stayed the same.

Oh, and I've noticed something on every Husker Du album. There's always an intentional production error: It sounds like the film is pausing for a split second. All the way from Everything Falls Apart to Warehouse: Songs And Stories. There's always a production error placed somewhere on the album.

Oddly enough, I'm listening to Metal Circus at the moment, and yeah, their pacing was a tad slower on Zen Arcade for the most part.

Of course, Mould's songs on Warehouse were very fast and energetic (Visionary!), so you really can't say that they ever stayed the same.

Ah, see, all I've heard before is a buddy's copy of Land Speed Record (and, of course "Makes No Sense at All" and "Divide and Conquer"), so I was suprised by the slower pacing.

pop punk= popular punk.

If you are completely against tne idea of pop punk, you then must have a less than favorible disposition towards:

ALL
Bankrupt
Beatnik Termites
Big Drill Car
Blink-182
Boris the Sprinkler
Bowling for Soup
Cub
Dwarves
Ghoti Hook
Green Day
The Groovie Ghoulies
Head
Useless ID
Hi-Standard
Jawbreaker
Lagwagon
The Lillingtons
Me First and the Gimme Gimmes
Millencolin
MxPx
The Mr. T Experience
No Trigger
No Fun At All
No Use for a Name
NOFX
The Offspring
Parasite
The Queers
Samiam
Seaweed
Sicko
Smoking Popes
Squirtgun
The Vandals
Yellowcard
The All-American Rejects
Allister
Amber Pacific
The Ataris
Fenix*TX
Fall Out Boy
Good Charlotte
Hedley
Ian Erix
Jonas Brothers
Less Than Jake
Mest
Midtown
The Movielife
One Buck Short
One Dollar Short
New Found Glory
Plan 15
Rancid
Relient K
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
Simple Plan
Sum 41
Sugarcult
Testosterone (band)
The Used
Angry Samoans
Blondie
The Boys
Buzzcocks
The Chords
The Clash
Eater
Descendents
Generation X
Hanoi Rocks
The Jam
The Purple Hearts
Ramones
The Rezillos
The Runaways
The Shapes
Television Personalities
The Undertones
The Police
AntiProduct
Beatnik Termites
Bracket
Bobot Adrenaline
Buck
Chinese Happy
Go! Ambulance Go!
Enemy You
The Exploding Hearts
Four Deadly Questions
The Methadones
Motion City Soundtrack
Northstar
Peelander-Z
Rufio
Screeching Weasel
Softball
The Promise Drive
The Soviettes
Teenage Bottlerocket
Teen Idols
Toys That Kill
The Unlovables


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pop_punk_bands

Anyway dude its fine, I completely respect your tastes in music. Do what you want. All im saying is that pop punk does so exit, its simply bands that have chosen too stay mainstream and stay apolitical vs becoming Anarchist Liberals. In the end I liked Fall out Boys earlier music, before they were signed on too a mjor label, I like they're newer stuff, which has gotten poppy but has definite punk tones too it, along with some emo, and I like thier new direction, into a darker, (Still poppy, I realize) more serious platform.

Ah, see, all I've heard before is a buddy's copy of Land Speed Record (and, of course "Makes No Sense at All" and "Divide and Conquer"), so I was suprised by the slower pacing.

Land Speed Record was pure speed. They had a lot of slower songs early in their lifetime, like "Private Hell" and "Some Kind Of Fun", which are quite notable. Also, "It's Not Funny Anymore" from Metal Circus isn't too fast (about 180bpm), though it's probably one of Hart's best songs.

Anyway dude its fine, I completely respect your tastes in music. Do what you want. All im saying is that pop punk does so exit, its simply bands that have chosen too stay mainstream and stay apolitical vs becoming Anarchist Liberals. In the end I liked Fall out Boys earlier music, before they were signed on too a mjor label, I like they're newer stuff, which has gotten poppy but has definite punk tones too it, along with some emo, and I like thier new direction, into a darker, (Still poppy, I realize) more serious platform.


What the fuck are the Teen Idles doing on that list? They were a seminal hardcore band, not pop. (Note: Screeching Weasle? WTF? They're hardcore too.)

Either way, your list just prooves that MTV has perverted the dialectic between punk and pop to sell faux rebellion to stupid teenagers. There is nothing punk about apathy. There is nothing punk about "choosing the mainstream". Punk isn't a style, it's a revolution, so claiming "punk style" is bullshit.

And on your whole list there were all of 3 bands I liked (All, the Descendants, and the Teen Idles, all of who were more hardcore acts than really "pop" acts).

pop punk= popular punk.

If you are completely against tne idea of pop punk, you then must have a less than favorible disposition towards:

ALL
Bankrupt
Beatnik Termites
Big Drill Car
Blink-182
Boris the Sprinkler
Bowling for Soup
Cub
Dwarves
Ghoti Hook
Green Day
The Groovie Ghoulies
Head
Useless ID
Hi-Standard
Jawbreaker
Lagwagon
The Lillingtons
Me First and the Gimme Gimmes
Millencolin
MxPx
The Mr. T Experience
No Trigger
No Fun At All
No Use for a Name
NOFX
The Offspring
Parasite
The Queers
Samiam
Seaweed
Sicko
Smoking Popes
Squirtgun
The Vandals
Yellowcard
The All-American Rejects
Allister
Amber Pacific
The Ataris
Fenix*TX
Fall Out Boy
Good Charlotte
Hedley
Ian Erix
Jonas Brothers
Less Than Jake
Mest
Midtown
The Movielife
One Buck Short
One Dollar Short
New Found Glory
Plan 15
Rancid
Relient K
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
Simple Plan
Sum 41
Sugarcult
Testosterone (band)
The Used
Angry Samoans
Blondie
The Boys
Buzzcocks
The Chords
The Clash
Eater
Descendents
Generation X
Hanoi Rocks
The Jam
The Purple Hearts
Ramones
The Rezillos
The Runaways
The Shapes
Television Personalities
The Undertones
The Police
AntiProduct
Beatnik Termites
Bracket
Bobot Adrenaline
Buck
Chinese Happy
Go! Ambulance Go!
Enemy You
The Exploding Hearts
Four Deadly Questions
The Methadones
Motion City Soundtrack
Northstar
Peelander-Z
Rufio
Screeching Weasel
Softball
The Promise Drive
The Soviettes
Teenage Bottlerocket
Teen Idols
Toys That Kill
The Unlovables


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pop_punk_bands

Anyway dude its fine, I completely respect your tastes in music. Do what you want. All im saying is that pop punk does so exit, its simply bands that have chosen too stay mainstream and stay apolitical vs becoming Anarchist Liberals. In the end I liked Fall out Boys earlier music, before they were signed on too a mjor label, I like they're newer stuff, which has gotten poppy but has definite punk tones too it, along with some emo, and I like thier new direction, into a darker, (Still poppy, I realize) more serious platform.

Whoever wrote that Wiki article is full of shit. The Buzzcocks, The Clash, the Ramones, and The Jam were not "Pop Punk". They were different flavors of Punk Rock, and that's that. The Undertones, however, were great Punk Rock until they got to their Pop stage in the early 80's, which was downright terrible.

And what the fuck is the second part? The Buzzcocks were certainly far-left, as you could tell by their early work. The Clash, oh god, they were virtually Marxists. The Ramones, well, aside from Johnny, were Left Democrats (Joey being the most notable). The Jam were ardent Leftists (In the city there's a thousand men in uniforms / and not a one of them has earned the right to kill a man). The Undertones, though, were pretty much apolitical in their music.

Do you know anything about music?

Ah, see, all I've heard before is a buddy's copy of Land Speed Record (and, of course "Makes No Sense at All" and "Divide and Conquer"), so I was suprised by the slower pacing.Everything Falls Apart is a nice speed between the two albums. (Which makes sense, given the release order.)

Everything Falls Apart is a nice speed between the two albums. (Which makes sense, given the release order.)

I think Norton should've written more songs. "From The Gut" has a great feel to it.

pop punk= popular punk.

If you are completely against tne idea of pop punk, you then must have a less than favorible disposition towards:

ALL
Bankrupt
Beatnik Termites
Big Drill Car
Blink-182
Boris the Sprinkler
Bowling for Soup
Cub
Dwarves
Ghoti Hook
Green Day
The Groovie Ghoulies
Head
Useless ID
Hi-Standard
Jawbreaker
Lagwagon
The Lillingtons
Me First and the Gimme Gimmes
Millencolin
MxPx
The Mr. T Experience
No Trigger
No Fun At All
No Use for a Name
NOFX
The Offspring
Parasite
The Queers
Samiam
Seaweed
Sicko
Smoking Popes
Squirtgun
The Vandals
Yellowcard
The All-American Rejects
Allister
Amber Pacific
The Ataris
Fenix*TX
Fall Out Boy
Good Charlotte
Hedley
Ian Erix
Jonas Brothers
Less Than Jake
Mest
Midtown
The Movielife
One Buck Short
One Dollar Short
New Found Glory
Plan 15
Rancid
Relient K
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
Simple Plan
Sum 41
Sugarcult
Testosterone (band)
The Used
Angry Samoans
Blondie
The Boys
Buzzcocks
The Chords
The Clash
Eater
Descendents
Generation X
Hanoi Rocks
The Jam
The Purple Hearts
Ramones
The Rezillos
The Runaways
The Shapes
Television Personalities
The Undertones
The Police
AntiProduct
Beatnik Termites
Bracket
Bobot Adrenaline
Buck
Chinese Happy
Go! Ambulance Go!
Enemy You
The Exploding Hearts
Four Deadly Questions
The Methadones
Motion City Soundtrack
Northstar
Peelander-Z
Rufio
Screeching Weasel
Softball
The Promise Drive
The Soviettes
Teenage Bottlerocket
Teen Idols
Toys That Kill
The Unlovables


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pop_punk_bands

Anyway dude its fine, I completely respect your tastes in music. Do what you want. All im saying is that pop punk does so exit, its simply bands that have chosen too stay mainstream and stay apolitical vs becoming Anarchist Liberals. In the end I liked Fall out Boys earlier music, before they were signed on too a mjor label, I like they're newer stuff, which has gotten poppy but has definite punk tones too it, along with some emo, and I like thier new direction, into a darker, (Still poppy, I realize) more serious platform.


The Undertones inspired pop punk according to your wiki source which is opinion anyway. So youve put people who "inspired*"a type of music in that genre?

*according to a Wiki source

Whoever wrote that Wiki article is full of shit. The Buzzcocks, The Clash, the Ramones, and The Jam were not "Pop Punk". They were different flavors of Punk Rock, and that's that. The Undertones, however, were great Punk Rock until they got to their Pop stage in the early 80's, which was downright terrible.

And what the fuck is the second part? The Buzzcocks were certainly far-left, as you could tell by their early work. The Clash, oh god, they were virtually Marxists. The Ramones, well, aside from Johnny, were Left Democrats (Joey being the most notable). The Jam were ardent Leftists (In the city there's a thousand men in uniforms / and not a one of them has earned the right to kill a man). The Undertones, though, were pretty much apolitical in their music.

Do you know anything about music?

I was actually gonna bring up The Queers too, since their music (If you only had a Brain, We'd have a Blast Doing Heroin, See You Later Fuckface) is hardly pop. It was definitive punk, in it's own way.

What the fuck are the Teen Idles doing on that list? They were a seminal hardcore band, not pop. (Note: Screeching Weasle? WTF? They're hardcore too.)

Either way, your list just prooves that MTV has perverted the dialectic between punk and pop to sell faux rebellion to stupid teenagers. There is nothing punk about apathy. There is nothing punk about "choosing the mainstream". Punk isn't a style, it's a revolution, so claiming "punk style" is bullshit.

And on your whole list there were all of 3 bands I liked (All, the Descendants, and the Teen Idles, all of who were more hardcore acts than really "pop" acts).

Unlike you, I do not believe too be punk you have too encourage movement in the form of anrachy of left wing polotics. Just my input. As for the faux rebellion, I know what you mean....Believe me, Green Day was trimmed and primped for just that....I mean, American Idiot. Punk began as a revitalizing revolution, but has eveolced into differnt forms. And yes, stupid teenagers listen too old "revolution" style punk too.

As for choosing the mainstream, id have too disagree. A band can choose too sign with the major record label AKA going mainstream. Or they can disband. It is a choice.

At least I have a source, and not a PMS induced opinion.

Whoever wrote that Wiki article is full of shit. The Buzzcocks, The Clash, the Ramones, and The Jam were not "Pop Punk". They were different flavors of Punk Rock, and that's that. The Undertones, however, were great Punk Rock until they got to their Pop stage in the early 80's, which was downright terrible.

And what the fuck is the second part? The Buzzcocks were certainly far-left, as you could tell by their early work. The Clash, oh god, they were virtually Marxists. The Ramones, well, aside from Johnny, were Left Democrats (Joey being the most notable). The Jam were ardent Leftists (In the city there's a thousand men in uniforms / and not a one of them has earned the right to kill a man). The Undertones, though, were pretty much apolitical in their music.

Do you know anything about music?


Maybe not music in your opinion, but I do know your a douche too argue with me for bringing up the source, and not those who wrote it.

As for being apolitical, someone stated that this was necessary and a step towards pop punk. So the undertones were pop punk too a point, which you dont like? You really dont need too source me on left wing political punk bands, as the non-popular punk scene consists of left wing and only left wing sympathies.

Maybe not music in your opinion, but I do know your a douche too argue with me for bringing up the source, and not those who wrote it.

As for being apolitical, someone stated that this was necessary and a step towards pop punk. So the undertones were pop punk too a point, which you dont like? You really dont need too source me on left wing political punk bands, as the non-popular punk scene consists of left wing and only left wing sympathies.

Get some basic reading comprehension skills. I was saying that the article itself was full of shit. I never said anything bad about you for bringing it up, pal.

And this argument is bunk, because you're using the classic "a friend of mine said..." argument (though worded so slightly differently). Which is total bullshit. And I love the Undertones, save for their early 80's stuff, which is horrible.

And once again, you're pulling this out of your ass. There are plenty of right-wing Punk Rock bands, buddy. Check out Skrewdriver, as well as a lot of Ska bands.

At least I have a source, and not a PMS induced opinion.

Yes, but let's consider that your source has this written at the top of it:
Accuracy dispute This article or section is currently being developed or reviewed.
Some statements may be disputed, incorrect, biased or otherwise objectionable.

Yes, but let's consider that your source has this written at the top of it:

:D

Do you even check your telegrams, man? :p

Get some basic reading comprehension skills. I was saying that the article itself was full of shit. I never said anything bad about you for bringing it up, pal.

And this argument is bunk, because you're using the classic "a friend of mine said..." argument (though worded so slightly differently). Which is total bullshit. And I love the Undertones, save for their early 80's stuff, which is horrible.

And once again, you're pulling this out of your ass. There are plenty of right-wing Punk Rock bands, buddy. Check out Skrewdriver, as well as a lot of Ska bands.

saying an article is full of shit= Disputing an articles factual accuracy.

I honestly thought you'd know that.

A friend of mine said what now? I'm not recalling here....

"There are plenty of right-wing Punk Rock bands, buddy. Check out Skrewdriver, as well as a lot of Ska bands"

Ok aside from you naming one band and generally refrencing me too the ska genre, which are not even what we're talking about... I stated punk is vastly left wing, which you have not countered. You cant counter something I "pulled out of my ass" so I think your natural instint of being a dick is clouding your argument buuudy.

I think your pretty much a dumass. Screwdriver is a right wing punk band....but they adhere too neo-nazi principles. Wow you countered me with one band from the 70's out of some say 40,000 punk bands. Good job.

Yes, but let's consider that your source has this written at the top of it:

Ill take that over the monthly rage any day. ;)

Unlike you, I do not believe too be punk you have too encourage movement in the form of anrachy of left wing polotics. Just my input. As for the faux rebellion, I know what you mean....Believe me, Green Day was trimmed and primped for just that....I mean, American Idiot. Punk began as a revitalizing revolution, but has eveolced into differnt forms. And yes, stupid teenagers listen too old "revolution" style punk too.

As for choosing the mainstream, id have too disagree. A band can choose too sign with the major record label AKA going mainstream. Or they can disband. It is a choice.

At least I have a source, and not a PMS induced opinion.

I wrote out a detailed response to this, but Jolt, in it's eternal war against me, decided to spaz, and that reply now rests somwhere in the digital world, floating, looking for a home. As such, I'll write a short and rather underdeveloped response, since I'm writing something else too right now.

1. Punk and mainstream cannot go hand in hand. There is enough sick and wrong with the modern mainstream that taking part in it flies in the face of punk independance.

2. Anarchy is a personal thing, as well as a political thing. I am a personal anarchist (I want to BE anarchy, in the sense that I do not feel I have any moral or personal masters) but I am not a political anarchist. Moreover, the claim that punk must be leftwing ignores many people, Joey Ramone, Skrewdriver, and me, who are punk, and are, in no way, revolutionary communists.

3. Punk is not "revolution" in the political sense. It is revolution in the personal sense. It is saying, "Hey, fuck you, I owe you nothing, I don't give a shit about what you do, and I'm gonna call you when you're being a dumbfuck."

4. Citing and sourcing: John Lydon's Rotten: No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish, Banned in DC: 30 Years of Punk in our Nation's Capital, John Savage's England's Dreaming, and Michael somethingoranother's Our Band Could Be Your Life as sources, as well as a host of Albums too long to list, discussions with a number of punkers, personal involvement in punk, and Greg Graffin's essay, A Punk Manifesto

Can you say your Wikipedia (an unreliable source anyway) article counts for as much experience as I have on the subject?

I think your pretty much a dumass. Screwdriver is a right wing punk band....but they adhere too neo-nazi principles. Wow you countered me with one band from the 70's out of some say 40,000 punk bands. Good job.

http://www.conservativepunk.com/index.asp

Michale Graves, Johnny Ramone, Agnostic Front, and Generation X, to name a few others.

saying an article is full of shit= Disputing an articles factual accuracy.

I honestly thought you'd know that.

A friend of mine said what now? I'm not recalling here....

"There are plenty of right-wing Punk Rock bands, buddy. Check out Skrewdriver, as well as a lot of Ska bands"

Ok aside from you naming one band and generally refrencing me too the ska genre, which are not even what we're talking about... I stated punk is vastly left wing, which you have not countered. You cant counter something I "pulled out of my ass" so I think your natural instint of being a dick is clouding your argument buuudy.

I think your pretty much a dumass. Screwdriver is a right wing punk band....but they adhere too neo-nazi principles. Wow you countered me with one band from the 70's out of some say 40,000 punk bands. Good job.

1: That's because it is full of shit. Quite a few of those bands are Hardcore, buddy.

2: Again, read what I said before posting. You used "somebody said...", which is the same damn thing as "a friend of mine said...". Which is bullshit, because you're just trying to defend your uneducated views on music.

3: I never stated that it wasn't. You said that it was only left-wing, and I countered that. There's a subgenere of Punk that has a lot of Ska influences. It's called Oi!/Street Punk. Many of the bands are right-wing. I have a Skinhead friend on MSN who listens to the goddamn stuff. He's a big fan of it.

And I really think that it's best if you stop the ad hominem attacks, pal. You're only making yourself look less credible here.

http://www.conservativepunk.com/index.asp

Michale Graves, Joey Ramone, Agnostic Front, and Generation X, to name a few others.

Johnny, not Joey!

Remember "The KKK Took My Baby Away"? That was Joey's rant against Johnny and his right-wing politics... Not to mention stealing his girlfriend.

:D

Do you even check your telegrams, man? :p

Ohhh yea, forgot 'bout that. Replied :)

Johnny, not Joey!

Remember "The KKK Took My Baby Away"? That was Joey's rant against Johnny and his right-wing politics... Not to mention stealing his girlfriend.


Sorry. I'll edit that. The names both start with 'J' and I mixed the two up. The Ramones have never really been my cup of tea anyway.

1: That's because it is full of shit. Quite a few of those bands are Hardcore, buddy.

2: Again, read what I said before posting. You used "somebody said...", which is the same damn thing as "a friend of mine said...". Which is bullshit, because you're just trying to defend your uneducated views on music.

3: I never stated that it wasn't. You said that it was only left-wing, and I countered that. There's a subgenere of Punk that has a lot of Ska influences. It's called Oi!/Street Punk. Many of the bands are right-wing. I have a Skinhead friend on MSN who listens to the goddamn stuff. He's a big fan of it.

And I really think that it's best if you stop the ad hominem attacks, pal. You're only making yourself look less credible here.


Short response:

Facts:

-Punk is overwhelmingly left wing

-Pop Punk does exist

Where the fuck did I write "somebody says...Ill have too kick myself If I did that.

Short response:

Facts:

-Punk is overwhelmingly left wing

-Pop Punk does exist

Where the fuck did I write "somebody says...Ill have too kick myself If I did that.

Ooh! Argument by obstinate refusal to offer proof, instead depending on unsupported claims with the label Fact: in front of them. Good one, we never see anything near so clever in this neck of the woods.

Facts:

- Gravity makes things float!

- Most of the cats I own are black, so the vast majority of cats are black!

I wrote out a detailed response to this, but Jolt, in it's eternal war against me, decided to spaz, and that reply now rests somwhere in the digital world, floating, looking for a home. As such, I'll write a short and rather underdeveloped response, since I'm writing something else too right now.

1. Punk and mainstream cannot go hand in hand. There is enough sick and wrong with the modern mainstream that taking part in it flies in the face of punk independance.

2. Anarchy is a personal thing, as well as a political thing. I am a personal anarchist (I want to BE anarchy, in the sense that I do not feel I have any moral or personal masters) but I am not a political anarchist. Moreover, the claim that punk must be leftwing ignores many people, Joey Ramone, Skrewdriver, and me, who are punk, and are, in no way, revolutionary communists.

3. Punk is not "revolution" in the political sense. It is revolution in the personal sense. It is saying, "Hey, fuck you, I owe you nothing, I don't give a shit about what you do, and I'm gonna call you when you're being a dumbfuck."

4. Citing and sourcing: John Lydon's Rotten: No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish, Banned in DC: 30 Years of Punk in our Nation's Capital, John Savage's England's Dreaming, and Michael somethingoranother's Our Band Could Be Your Life as sources, as well as a host of Albums too long to list, discussions with a number of punkers, personal involvement in punk, and Greg Graffin's essay, A Punk Manifesto

Can you say your Wikipedia (an unreliable source anyway) article counts for as much experience as I have on the subject?

1. I never said punk and mainstream go hand in hand. I was referring too attacks on the pop punk genre, in which it was denied that a band goes mainstream in order too be pop punk, they can remian nearly the same lyrically, and in sound as well.

2. Anarchy is a personal thing...along with every other political belife in existence. From what ive seen, the punk genre especially hardcore, adheres too anarchist values, as in anti-establishment, etc.

Um in not sure as too your expierience on the subject, so honestly I cannot say. Ill take those who built the atricle.

Heres who debated and structured it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pop_punk

Ooh! Argument by obstinate refusal to offer proof, instead depending on unsupported claims with the label Fact: in front of them. Good one, we never see anything near so clever in this neck of the woods.

Facts:

- Gravity makes things float!

- Most of the cats I own are black, so the vast majority of cats are black!

Right, is your done, clean up the pool of blood underneath you and look several inches. Since im being gang banged with opposition, I dont really have time too structure responses too all. Sorry.

1. I never said punk and mainstream go hand in hand. I was referring too attacks on the pop punk genre, in which it was denied that a band goes mainstream in order too be pop punk, they can remian nearly the same lyrically, and in sound as well.

But the point that you are ignoring is that by entering the mainstream, and selling themselves to it as a form of entertainers, rather than as true artists, they lose the right to tack punk onto their names. They are a pop band.

2. Anarchy is a personal thing...along with every other political belife in existence. From what ive seen, the punk genre especially hardcore, adheres too anarchist values, as in anti-establishment, etc.

Yes, but anarchy is not just a political thing. I mean that one can be an anarchist without wanting to be anarchy, and that one can want to be anarchy without being an anarchist. Punk adheres to no specific value outside of reject and resist. There are nazi-punks (y'know, a large number of skinheads are nazis) and there are conservative punks (I posted a website for that).

well i have a band we dont have any songs on the computer yet but we will soon were called BRAINBREAD

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!

You ROCK!

:fluffle:
and a
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f337/wkpjr1967/cookie.jpg

But the point that you are ignoring is that by entering the mainstream, and selling themselves to it as a form of entertainers, rather than as true artists, they lose the right to tack punk onto their names. They are a pop band.



Yes, but anarchy is not just a political thing. I mean that one can be an anarchist without wanting to be anarchy, and that one can want to be anarchy without being an anarchist. Punk adheres to no specific value outside of reject and resist. There are nazi-punks (y'know, a large number of skinheads are nazis) and there are conservative punks (I posted a website for that).


My intial response was lost. Thanks Jolt. =/

They lose the right too be labeled punk, as defined by you. By my definition theysimply slip into punks best known sub-genre.

I was correct in the end, that punk is held, by a vast majority, in adhering too liberal, and anrachist beleifes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_ideologies

(I know you dislike wiki, but from the discussion page, with all the deabte and trimming, it seemed legitimate.)

My intial response was lost. Thanks Jolt. =/

They lose the right too be labeled punk, as defined by you. By my definition theysimply slip into punks best known sub-genre.

How the fuck do you call losers like FOB or Yellowcard punk? What possible cred could they have? They sound like a small minority of punk that people are aware of, but that doesn't make them punk, it just makes them sound that way. How the fuck could they be considered punk at all (I.E. offer information or shut up).

I was correct in the end, that punk is held, by a vast majority, in adhering too liberal, and anrachist beleifes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_ideologies

(I know you dislike wiki, but from the discussion page, with all the deabte and trimming, it seemed legitimate.)


Well...

1) The examples and perspective in this article or section may not represent a worldwide view of the subject.

and

2) Besides which, it's a fucking shitty article. It barely scratches the surface regarding punk ideology and makes no effort to really dig into the roots behind ideas.

Right. It seems that being away for about a year hasn't made me miss anything. These threads are still the same, and still pop up every week or so. Though people must enjoy lording their supposedly superior music tastes over others, as these threads are consistently popular. :p

Oh, and King Crimson for teh win. That poster a few pages ago has good taste.

Might I suggest something by The Dillinger Escape Plan, preferably off of 'Calculating Infinity' or 'Under The Running Board'. The self-titled will also suffice.

For the moment i'm listeningen much to:

Blitzkid
Demented Are Go
Social Distortion
Mad Sin
Trashcan Darlings
Angel City Outcasts
Hyperjax

Just a generic, what are some good bands?


I recommend Apocalyptica, a kinda rocky band that combines heavy metal and cellos.

Hard rock - AC/DC
Blues - Cream
Hair metal - Van Halen
Pop metal - Def Leppard

You people should be putting on your sunglasses - so you can see what you ain't lookin' at.
No mention of the Mothership?
No accolades for the saviours of music from the pernicious influence of the Noses and Blahs?
Let me give y'all some advice:
If you got any faults, defects, like arthritis, rheumatism, migraines, whatever part of your body it is, touch it to your radio.
Funk not only moves, it can re-move. Dig?
The desired effect is what you get when you improve your interplanetary funksmanship.
MAKE MY FUNK THE P-FUNK!

Oh, and the guy who said the best blues act ever was Cream?
HA! HA! HA! Hilarious.

well i have a band we dont have any songs on the computer yet but we will soon were called BRAINBREAD

You missed the apostrophe in "we're", it looks like you're saying...
You know what? Never mind.

Oh, and King Crimson for teh win. That poster a few pages ago has good taste.

I'd have to agree, comparing them to anyone else is just an unfair fight.

By the way if guys like punk you should check out Crackfiller.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=5082890
They're a band from my hometown.

Stuck mojo-Open season.

Pillar
Project 86
POD
Superchick
Demon Hunter
KJ52
Tree63
TobyMac
DC talk
Watermark

Etc

Stuck mojo-Open season.

Pillar
Project 86
POD
Superchick
Demon Hunter
KJ52
Tree63
TobyMac
DC talk
Watermark

Etc

You should listen to the Right Brothers. You'd probably like them.

How the fuck do you call losers like FOB or Yellowcard punk? What possible cred could they have? They sound like a small minority of punk that people are aware of, but that doesn't make them punk, it just makes them sound that way. How the fuck could they be considered punk at all (I.E. offer information or shut up).




Well...

1) The examples and perspective in this article or section may not represent a worldwide view of the subject.

and

2) Besides which, it's a fucking shitty article. It barely scratches the surface regarding punk ideology and makes no effort to really dig into the roots behind ideas.


I never called Yellowcard punk, they are defined as punk in the article... I honestly believe punk is based on sound, along with lyrical content. I cant really offer information as you go into a crack induced rage and discredit it each time...

1) Alright thats fine. Ill go with the article based on other sources ive examined.

2) Fucking shitty article... Ladies and gentlmen this is who I am debating.

I never called Yellowcard punk, they are defined as punk in the article... I honestly believe punk is based on sound, along with lyrical content. I cant really offer information as you go into a crack induced rage and discredit it each time...

You've offered two badly written, poorly examined article and accused me of being PMSing or on Crack. Neither is true, since I'm am male and straight-edge, and both are pseudo-flame behavior.

If punk is a sound, how can Chumbawamba, Bad Religion, Minor Threat, and The Clash all be in the same genre? How are the lyrics of F.O.B. in any way similar to the lyrics of The Sex Pistols? Provide examples.

2) Fucking shitty article... Ladies and gentlmen this is who I am debating.

Someone who actually knows the topic you're talking out of your ass about? Yeah, maybe.

Someone who actually knows the topic you're talking out of your ass about? Yeah, maybe.

Speaking of which... I've always wondered: Is Glenn Danzig in any way, shape, or form a conservative like Michael Graves?

Judging by his lyrics, I wouldn't think so, but then again...

Speaking of which... I've always wondered: Is Glenn Danzig in any way, shape, or form a conservative like Michael Graves?

I'm not particularly familiar with Danzig's politics (although, I'm gonna go check a source that might know, so I may find out). I know Graves' politics because of his involvement with Conservative Punk and because I like some of his solo stuff.

Judging by his lyrics, I wouldn't think so, but then again...

I was thinking that. Even post-Misfits his stuff hardly fits with the social mindset of a Conservative.

I'm not particularly familiar with Danzig's politics (although, I'm gonna go check a source that might know, so I may find out). I know Graves' politics because of his involvement with Conservative Punk and because I like some of his solo stuff.



I was thinking that. Even post-Misfits his stuff hardly fits with the social mindset of a Conservative.

1: Go for it. I can't be bothered to check. :p

2: Yeah, exactly. And have you seen his website? Numerous times, I've seen lotsa (lotsa) nudity. Hardly conservative, if you ask me.

K, Pot, brace yourself, cause I found something. It wasn't at my first site, but some clever Googling got me an answer. Not the one I was expecting, though, I guess.


Glenn Danzig: "Occasionally I'll say something, but it's not what everybody wants to hear. I think it's a more rational cut and dry point of view as opposed to a totally left or a totally right point of view."

Dan Lorenzo: So what did you think of the Iraqi election? Did that make the war worthwhile?

Glenn Danzig: "My view on war is, if you're going to have a war, you should kill everyone there."

Dan Lorenzo: So you wouldn't worry about collateral damage?

Glenn Danzig: "It's a war idiot! (laughs) You know what I mean? You're talking about war, like it's a game. It's not a game it's war! These people that are shooting back at you, they're trying to kill you and you should be trying to kill them. If there was somebody wounded and laying there I would put a bullet in them you know? It's war, it's not a game. I see all these politicians like Ted Kennedy who's a murderer in his own right, talking all this shit-your sending people out there to fight a war...this is a war! Either we're going or we're not going. Once we're there don't complain when somebody kills somebody because yopu sent them with a gun."

Dan Lorenzo: So that means you weren't offended by the prison photos that....

Glenn Danzig: "No! These people are taking innocent hostages and beheading them on TV — that should tell you you're enemy. There are no rules to war! Kill or be killed, that's war! What's worse? Beheading somebody on the Internet or abusing a prisoner of war? Were they really being abused? If that's abuse, then don't go to an American jail system (laughs) 'cause there's way worse in an American jail system. I think everybody's full of shit."

He seems to me to be a kinda Rotten-esque Piss-taker on politics, but he might be serious.

K, Pot, brace yourself, cause I found something. It wasn't at my first site, but some clever Googling got me an answer. Not the one I was expecting, though, I guess.



He seems to me to be a kinda Rotten-esque Piss-taker on politics, but he might be serious.

Serious or not, Lydon completely owns him in that department. If he is serious, he should probably get his head out of his ass in regards to the whole POW scandal... :p

Serious or not, Lydon completely owns him in that department. If he is serious, he should probably get his head out of his ass in regards to the whole POW scandal... :p

It's so fun to watch the anarcho-punkers or whoever get pissed at Lydon and write angry songs because it's so clear that they don't realize that he's almost never serious and he's almost always playing someone.

It's so fun to watch the anarcho-punkers or whoever get pissed at Lydon and write angry songs because it's so clear that they don't realize that he's almost never serious and he's almost always playing someone.

Exactly. Remember when he was talking about wanting to make an actual movie about the Sex Pistols (not a documentary), and then saying he'd pick Justin Timberlake to play him?

That was fucking hilarious, and even moreso because so many people actually thought that he was serious.

Exactly. Remember when he was talking about wanting to make an actual movie about the Sex Pistols (not a documentary), and then saying he'd pick Justin Timberlake to play him?

That was fucking hilarious, and even moreso because so many people actually thought that he was serious.

I was actually thinking about the start of the Filthy Lucre tour when they announced the ticket prices as "Not breaking the bank" and had all the purists out for blood, or the stuff he pulled with the Rock & Roll hall of fame.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Love-Me-lyrics-Chumbawamba/2FABA7185CCC655648256BD5000C8C55

That song had me laughing for 20 minutes.

I was actually thinking about the start of the Filthy Lucre tour when they announced the ticket prices as "Not breaking the bank" and had all the purists out for blood, or the stuff he pulled with the Rock & Roll hall of fame.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Love-Me-lyrics-Chumbawamba/2FABA7185CCC655648256BD5000C8C55

That song had me laughing for 20 minutes.

The HoF thing was brilliant. Did you see the letter John wrote? That was some of the funniest shit I've ever seen.

As for the lyrics... I'm not quite sure what to make of them. Are they being sarcastic about people taking John too seriously, or are they themselves taking him too seriously and making dicks out of themselves? It's kinda difficult to know what's going on with some songs if you really don't know the bands that well.

The HoF thing was brilliant. Did you see the letter John wrote? That was some of the funniest shit I've ever seen.

I've read excerpts, but never the origional.

As for the lyrics... I'm not quite sure what to make of them. Are they being sarcastic about people taking John too seriously, or are they themselves taking him too seriously and making dicks out of themselves? It's kinda difficult to know what's going on with some songs if you really don't know the bands that well.

They are serious, or at least they think they are. Chumbawamba are a dedicated Anarcho-punk band. You might remember Tubthumper, their MTV-ified hit from a while bac. They are funny because they just don't get it. The song is made funnier because they put their finger on what they don't get a bunch of times but never realize it.

-~!!NIRVANA!!~-

I've read excerpts, but never the origional.



They are serious, or at least they think they are. Chumbawamba are a dedicated Anarcho-punk band. You might remember Tubthumper, their MTV-ified hit from a while bac. They are funny because they just don't get it. The song is made funnier because they put their finger on what they don't get a bunch of times but never realize it.

1: http://www.johnlydon.com/images/congrat1a.jpg --- And believe you me, every last bit of grammatical inaccuracy and whatnot is wholly intentional. It's classic. If you want to see some serious writing, check out his lead-in to Alice Cooper's box set: http://www.johnlydon.com/images/cooper_full.jpg

2: Ah. So that's why the people on the GameFAQs Punk forum love those guys so much. :p

1: http://www.johnlydon.com/images/congrat1a.jpg --- And believe you me, every last bit of grammatical inaccuracy and whatnot is wholly intentional. It's classic.

2: Ah. So that's why the people on the GameFAQs Punk forum love those guys so much. :p


1. The origional format with the messy handwriting makes it that much better.

2. GameFAQ has a punk forum? That must be... interesting.

2. GameFAQ has a punk forum? That must be... interesting.

Oh god, you haven't seen idiocy until you've seen their Punk forum. They're all convinced that the Sex Pistols were the Spice Girls of the 1970's.

Oh god, you haven't seen idiocy until you've seen their Punk forum. They're all convinced that the Sex Pistols were the Spice Girls of the 1970's.

If the Spice Girls were really taking the piss out of everyone as a sort of post-modern mockery by similar action, they may be on to something. :p

You've offered two badly written, poorly examined article and accused me of being PMSing or on Crack. Neither is true, since I'm am male and straight-edge, and both are pseudo-flame behavior.

If punk is a sound, how can Chumbawamba, Bad Religion, Minor Threat, and The Clash all be in the same genre? How are the lyrics of F.O.B. in any way similar to the lyrics of The Sex Pistols? Provide examples.



Someone who actually knows the topic you're talking out of your ass about? Yeah, maybe.

No my responses have been fairly well written, if I do say so myself. I accused you of being on crack based on excessive cursing along with a confusing rebutle on several occasions.

Chumbawamba is considered punk? By that wiki article? I judge genre by sound, so ill give you that, alot of those dont compare. But the punk sound is fairly broad and determinable. But this differentiate, with each bands style. FOB uses more emo-esque peotic lyrics, while the sex pistols use quicker, mostly rhymes which can be addicting. (From what ive looked up)

Im not as much talking my ass of, as I am countering your bullshit.

No my responses have been fairly well written, if I do say so myself. I accused you of being on crack based on excessive cursing along with a confusing rebutle on several occasions.

Chumbawamba is considered punk? By that wiki article? I judge genre by sound, so ill give you that, alot of those dont compare. But the punk sound is fairly broad and determinable. But this differentiate, with each bands style. FOB uses more emo-esque peotic lyrics, while the sex pistols use quicker, mostly rhymes which can be addicting. (From what ive looked up)

Im not as much talking my ass of, as I am countering your bullshit.

No, you're advocating shitty bands with terrible lyrics and sound and trying to compare them to some of the greatest bands of all time. If thats not talking out of your ass I don't know what is. All Fall out boy and those MTV emo bands (I don't know if this applies to all Emo in general) do is talk about how their girlfriend dumped them or how much they hate their lives when they're making tons of money and living a fairly good life. Its all about the money for them, which is exactly why I hate genres. Genres have become one of the greatest advertising tools of Music corporations, when in actuality music is far too diverse to classify like that. Instead of genreizing (I just pulled that word out of my ass) the type of music you listen to, ignore the genre label on the cd and listen to other artists. It gives a far broader percpective on things, not to mention it allows you to listen to good music.

I think Norton should've written more songs. "From The Gut" has a great feel to it.I agree, it's one of my favorite songs from the album.

Michael somethingoranother's Our Band Could Be Your Life as sources, Michael Azerrad.

pop punk= popular punk.

If you are completely against tne idea of pop punk, you then must have a less than favorible disposition towards:
...

Dwarves


I read your list up to here. You have to be fucking with me if you think the Dwarves are pop-punk.

A brief list:

A Perfect Circle,
AC/DC,
Aerosmith,
Al Green,
Aretha Franklin,
At the Drive-In,
Audioslave,
Beastie Boys,
Beatles,
Beck,
Ben E. King,
Bjork,
Black Sabbath,
Bob Dylan,
Bob Marley,
Chemical Brothers,
The Clash,
Cream,
Cypress Hill,
DJ Dangermouse,
Deep Purple,
Doors,
Fontella Bass,
Guns 'N' Roses,
Jane's Addiction,
Jimi Hendrix,
Johnny Cash,
Kings of Leon,
Kiss,
L7,
Led Zeppelin,
Lou Reed,
Mars Volta,
Moloko,
Muse,
My Bloody Valentine,
Otis Redding,
Pink Floyd,
Public Enemy,
Rage Against the Machine,
Ray Charles,
Sparta,
the Stooges,
Sufjan Stevens,
Tool,
Velvet Revolver,
Who,
Wolfmother

Edit: Ooh, I'm a 'Semi-Pro Sp@mPig' now :D

That's a damn good list. Good variety, too. I'm glad I'm not the only person who appreciates eclectic and diverse styles.

I don't know, though, it's much more fun to play with musical groups than to listen to them. I personally have performed with 22 different ensembles/jazz bands/big bands/metal bands/rock/contemporary (church)/solo. Fun stuff. Anyone else a performance musician?

What I can't stand is that guys like Foo fighters and the like won't let grunge die a good respectable death. I love Nirvana and soundgarden, but it's time to move on.

As far as punk goes, I think it's going to regress to it's original sound. Which would be good: it wouldn't sound like pseudo-grunge and pop and could be about the message and the music like the clash was.

Well, first there's Pink Floyd.

Some bands that don't get the respect they deserve.
Alice in Chains
Tool
MC5
Jeff Beck
Smashing Pumpkins
Yes
Green Day
Iron Maiden (not so big where I'm from)

No, my responses have been fairly well written, if I don't say so myself. I accused you of being on crack based on excessive cursing along with a confusing rebutal on several occasions. Incorrect Sentence Structure

Bolded are corrections in the paragraph above. The irony does not escape me.

Cursing has nothing to do with crack addiction. I think that others will concur with me when I say that my replies are hardly confusing for those well-versed in the subject.

Chumbawamba is considered punk? By that wiki article? I judge genre by sound, so ill give you that, alot of those dont compare. But the punk sound is fairly broad and determinable. But this differentiate, with each bands style. FOB uses more emo-esque peotic lyrics, while the sex pistols use quicker, mostly rhymes which can be addicting. (From what ive looked up)

Punk is so musically diverse that there is no core defining style. Genre may normally be judged by sound, but punk, as a music form, has no "sound" even within a single sub-genre, like, for instance, Hardcore, there will be significant variations from scene to scene, and sometimes even within scenes. NY Hardcore and HarDCore dissimilar, and LA Hardcore is it's own style.

There is no comparison between FOB's lyrics (mostly whining about girlfriends, etc.) and the Sex Pistols (focussing on taking the piss out of older, more conservative, culture). I said to cite examples because you cannot demonstrate any similarity between the topic matter of the two bands.

And yes, Chumbawamba are most certainly a punk band. They are an Anarcho-Punk band. Some of their songs include, "Give the Anarchist a Cigarette" and "Come on Baby (Let's Do the Revolution". However, their dance-centric and and very broad musical style are nothing like the music of, say Minor Threat.

Im not as much talking my ass of, as I am countering your bullshit.

I accused you of talking out of your ass (which is to say, knowing little to nothing of that which you speak), not "Talking your ass of" (what ever that means).

Michael Azerrad.

Yeah. Thanks. I knew it was a kinda weird last name, but I couldn't remember it for the life of me. I assume you remember the name because of his Nirvana biography? :p

Some bands that don't get the respect they deserve.
Alice in Chains
Tool
MC5
Jeff Beck
Smashing Pumpkins
Yes
Green Day
Iron Maiden (not so big where I'm from)

You're kidding. Most of those artists (with perhaps the exception of Green Day) are certainly well respected by people who are fans of their respective music styles.

I'm listening to "My Hometown" by Bowling for Soup a lot lately. It's awesome.

No, you're advocating shitty bands with terrible lyrics and sound and trying to compare them to some of the greatest bands of all time. If thats not talking out of your ass I don't know what is. All Fall out boy and those MTV emo bands (I don't know if this applies to all Emo in general) do is talk about how their girlfriend dumped them or how much they hate their lives when they're making tons of money and living a fairly good life. Its all about the money for them, which is exactly why I hate genres. Genres have become one of the greatest advertising tools of Music corporations, when in actuality music is far too diverse to classify like that. Instead of genreizing (I just pulled that word out of my ass) the type of music you listen to, ignore the genre label on the cd and listen to other artists. It gives a far broader percpective on things, not to mention it allows you to listen to good music.

FOB's lyrics are great, very poetic. I never really compared them too any "great bands of all time", I only stated I like them. I do listen too alot of bands. Once you finish your tirade, i'd like too state im into alot of other bands. I dont give a crap how the FOB members behave when not peforming, I just like the songs. Your a cliche' anti-corporate sellout, and this affects your musicial tastes. Thats good. But I think at times this blinds you from heraing good bands as well, this itself can be ignorant. =/ Here are some other bands I like:

All American Rejects
Kaiser Chiefs
Franz Ferdinand
Green Day
Red Jumpsuit Aparatus
Panic! At the disco
My Chemical Romance
Gym Class Heroes


I have alot of other songs, but usually just one or two of them.

Bolded are corrections in the paragraph above. The irony does not escape me.
A spelling error, and an incorrect sentence structure by your definition...I fell awful :D

Cursing has nothing to do with crack addiction. I think that others will concur with me when I say that my replies are hardly confusing for those well-versed in the subject.

Certainly confused for those who simply state thier musical prefrence, and then come under your attack. =/


Punk is so musically diverse that there is no core defining style. Genre may normally be judged by sound, but punk, as a music form, has no "sound" even within a single sub-genre, like, for instance, Hardcore, there will be significant variations from scene to scene, and sometimes even within scenes. NY Hardcore and HarDCore dissimilar, and LA Hardcore is it's own style.

There is no comparison between FOB's lyrics (mostly whining about girlfriends, etc.) and the Sex Pistols (focussing on taking the piss out of older, more conservative, culture). I said to cite examples because you cannot demonstrate any similarity between the topic matter of the two bands.

This is your definition. I'm almost certain 99.8% of people who listen too music, in any form, do not agree with you. I've looked at the Sex Pistols lyrics, and they arent really, enchanting. FOB's lyrics are poetic, thats what I like...Leave me too my preference.

And yes, Chumbawamba are most certainly a punk band. They are an Anarcho-Punk band. Some of their songs include, "Give the Anarchist a Cigarette" and "Come on Baby (Let's Do the Revolution". However, their dance-centric and and very broad musical style are nothing like the music of, say Minor Threat.

Sorry I was just playing that song in my head when they were mentioned...(I get knocked down, but I get up again! You aint never gonna keep me down!) I was thinking more of a pop band. =/



I accused you of talking out of your ass (which is to say, knowing little to nothing of that which you speak), not "Talking your ass of" (what ever that means).

I dont see much differnce, as both figures of speech lead too the conclusion and accusation of mindless babble. =/

I recently downloaded Mr. T's album Mr. T's Commandments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._T%27s_Commandments). In it, T raps about how kids should do their homework and stay away from dope. Aside from the album though, which is dope biaatchzzz!!1

Certainly confused for those who simply state thier musical prefrence, and then come under your attack. =/

I don't care about your preference, tbh. I didn't attack you, I attacked your false label for music that falsely attempted to associate punk music with the MTV tripe that gets sold as punk in this era.

This is your definition. I'm almost certain 99.8% of people who listen too music, in any form, do not agree with you. I've looked at the Sex Pistols lyrics, and they arent really, enchanting. FOB's lyrics are poetic, thats what I like...Leave me too my preference.

I don't give a flying fuck what 99.8% of ignorant-ass music listenters think about punk. Most of them also can't tell the diference between the Sex Pistols and fucking Greed Day anyway. I don't care what you listen to, just don't attempt to associate the sell-out MTV crap that is called "pop-punk" with real punk. It's an insult to real punkers.


Sorry I was just playing that song in my head when they were mentioned...(I get knocked down, but I get up again! You aint never gonna keep me down!) I was thinking more of a pop band. =/

Yeah, Tubthumper is what everyone knows. It's really not representitive of their other work, and it is, in fact, an overtly political song, if you've read the album notes for the song.

I recently downloaded Mr. T's album Mr. T's Commandments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._T%27s_Commandments). In it, T raps about how kids should do their homework and stay away from dope. Aside from the album though, which is dope biaatchzzz!!1

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*Twitch Twitch*


"I pity the foo who be takin' dope!!!"

Silverstein, Saosin, Rise Against, Senses Fail, Funeral for a Friend, Aiden, From First to Last.

Those are the more recent interests. More angry than my old ones, such as...

Valencia, Time and Distance, New Found Glory, The Killers, Panic! at the Disco, Fall Out Boy...

Fall Out Boy aren't sell outs, yet, punks. So stop the hatin'. haha

Start hatin' after the next album. The single already sucks.

Fall Out Boy aren't sell outs, yet, punks. So stop the hatin'. haha

Start hatin' after the next album. The single already sucks.

Oh, I agree, to be a sell out you have to have ever had something to sell out on. Fall Out Boy never need to worry about that.

Oh, I agree, to be a sell out you have to have ever had something to sell out on. Fall Out Boy never need to worry about that.

the air in this room dropped 20 degrees as I read that. That's how cold that was. That kicks ass.

BUMP

Pity the foo!

Ok here is my list

Greenday (Nimrod, Dookie)
My Chemical Romance
Skid Row
Pink Floyd
System of a Down
Disturbed
Panic at the Disco

Darn I am not at my normal computer with most of my music. But this is what I can think of off the top of my head.

Oh, I agree, to be a sell out you have to have ever had something to sell out on. Fall Out Boy never need to worry about that.

Erm, I rather like Carpal tunnel of love. Arms race was ok as well, but the new album has potential. As for not being so popular erm-

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_May_11/ai_n13697372

Erm, I rather like Carpal tunnel of love. Arms race was ok as well, but the new album has potential. As for not being so popular erm-

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_May_11/ai_n13697372

You totally, completely, unbelievably missed what he was saying.

How...?

Erm, I rather like Carpal tunnel of love. Arms race was ok as well, but the new album has potential. As for not being so popular erm-

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_May_11/ai_n13697372

I'll try not to use complex sentence forms this time. Hopefully that means that you can understand what I say:

Fall Out Boy cannot sell out. To sell out, you have to have a set of artistic ethics that you give up on for money. Fall Out Boy, as pop artists, never had any to begin with.

I'll try not to use complex sentence forms this time. Hopefully that means that you can understand what I say:

Fall Out Boy cannot sell out. To sell out, you have to have a set of artistic ethics that you give up on for money. Fall Out Boy, as pop artists, never had any to begin with.

Yeah, pop pretty much implies (Hence "popular") you're doing it for the sake of fame, rather than artistic value. Flogging Molly, The Dresden Dolls, these bands have not sold out. Fallout Boy, Good Charlotte, and Blink 182, on the other hand...

I lurve flame wars; gotta see who will give up first. Seriously, I'm gone for one or two days, and there's SEVERAL PAGES of flamin'.

So I'm gonna post a specific band: War.


Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends?..... :)


Seriously. Hug.

I lurve flame wars; gotta see who will give up first. Seriously, I'm gone for one or two days, and there's SEVERAL PAGES of flamin'.

So I'm gonna post a specific band: War.


Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends?..... :)


Seriously. Hug.

Or even more fitting, "Arrogant Sons of Bitches"

Or even more fitting, "Arrogant Sons of Bitches"

Aw, don't hate. (Not sure who the comment's directed to, but...) Seriously, if it were possible, I would tell everyone here to give each other a circle hug. Actually..... *imagining giant hug* Hehehehe...:p

Anyhoo, I gotta go to bed so I can.... do.... stuff tomorrow. (I.D.K.:confused: )

So I leave ya'll with the message: Hold on, stay strong, keep on keepin' on.

And G'night. I'll check up tomorrow to see where this thread leads.

Aw, don't hate. (Not sure who the comment's directed to, but...) Seriously, if it were possible, I would tell everyone here to give each other a circle hug. Actually..... *imagining giant hug* Hehehehe...:p


:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

*Hides from ruffy*

You totally, completely, unbelievably missed what he was saying.

How...?

I honestly beg too differ. I dont care your definition, if you're popular, you're popular. I never realized that "artistic ethics" included not exchanging your talents and what you're capable of for money. These guys are talented, and popular. Learn too accept it. =/

When you refer too "he" can you be more specific? You've obvious failed too notice im being virtually gang-banged here.

Erm, the chronicles of Fall Out Boy selling out. You can honestly tell the differnce.

Dead on Arrival- Kinda a thing for thier early fans. Before a major label or major popularity outside of Chicago. The crowds you see are practically all from Chicago, and the parephenillia wasnt avaible everywhere like it is now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBvAeNJHWs


Saturday- Label signed on, first true scripted video. Thier signed too a major label, and the've started too grow out of illinois.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEzhlFqtAJk


Grand Theft Autum- Still before the whole MTV stuff, but the popularity from the Take This To Your Grave album boosts the video. After this, its alot of selling out. Last true FOB song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V69JaWDdc64


Sugar, we're going down- Heres where it is. All over the new label, the merchandise comes into stores, and thier on MTV every week. A great song, but the band is almost unrecognizable from thier roots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVc9lFgArso

Sixteen Candles- I think this was after SWGD...Anyway a good video, but notice the production value, vs, Saturday...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLkAisj0HE4


Dance, Dance- A great video, an even greater song, but this is the pinacle. The band is owned by thier label, (apolitical, refrain from foul language, for the PG audience) This is the end. Or is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl0FthEKe7g


This aint a scene- Erm, increidbly high production....But a new producer is evident, thier style has changed greatly. Good video, but this means a new flavor, which they certainly will share with everyone. Yes, they are still selling out. =(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vESeeJC-4nE

I honestly beg too differ. I dont care your definition, if you're popular, you're popular. I never realized that "artistic ethics" included not exchanging your talents and what you're capable of for money. These guys are talented, and popular. Learn too accept it. =/

I don't give a shit about what "Talent" they have. One of my favorite bands put it best (You keep talking about talent/Talent, what do you know/Instead of sitting and practicing/We're gonna get up and go). I don't honestly give a fuck about talent in lyrical music. If I want pretty or skilled music, I'll get out my Beethoven. I care about what they say. "Selling out" has nothing to do with sound and everything to do with what you say and do.

Or, as Warhol pointed out: 15 minutes of fame: What will you use them for?

I really don't give a fuck about anything about Fall Out Boy at all (except for that movie where the guy wrote what he heard to one of their songs. That was classic). All I care about is the misuse of the word punk.

It's like this: If someone were to create a new NSG account and name it: R&B-loving New Ausha and then pretend to be you, whilst worshiping, say, Justin Timberlake in this thread, would you be fine with it? Obviously not, it would make you into someone you weren't. Well, here's news for you: Punk is not Pop. Putting the two names together miscasts both.

When you refer too "he" can you be more specific? You've obvious failed too notice im being virtually gang-banged here.

He's referring to me. I don't think that FOB ever sold out, which is what you are missing. I don't think they ever sold out because they could never do it. It was impossible, they couldn't sell out when there was nothing for them to sell out.

And if you think this is a gangbang, NSG isn't your place. It's a gangbang when there are 5 or 6 people having at you at once. Me and Pot are just two people.

The Mongolian Ponies.

I don't give a shit about what "Talent" they have. One of my favorite bands put it best (You keep talking about talent/Talent, what do you know/Instead of sitting and practicing/We're gonna get up and go). I don't honestly give a fuck about talent in lyrical music. If I want pretty or skilled music, I'll get out my Beethoven. I care about what they say. "Selling out" has nothing to do with sound and everything to do with what you say and do.

Erm- Alright, too a point, your conceeding they have talent. You dont care about lyrical talent... So thats just how you percieve a song then, based on the instrumentals? The lyrics do not matter?

Or, as Warhol pointed out: 15 minutes of fame: What will you use them for?

Selling millions of albums? =/

I really don't give a fuck about anything about Fall Out Boy at all (except for that movie where the guy wrote what he heard to one of their songs. That was classic). All I care about is the misuse of the word punk.

Ah I see. Sorry if I offend. Im sure I dislike your prefrences, yet the world keeps spinning.

It's like this: If someone were to create a new NSG account and name it: R&B-loving New Ausha and then pretend to be you, whilst worshiping, say, Justin Timberlake in this thread, would you be fine with it? Obviously not, it would make you into someone you weren't. Well, here's news for you: Punk is not Pop. Putting the two names together miscasts both.

Alright. You may think what you wish, but wheather you like it or not, no matter how much you fell in "misinterperts" punk, pop-punk is now an industrial term.


He's referring to me. I don't think that FOB ever sold out, which is what you are missing. I don't think they ever sold out because they could never do it. It was impossible, they couldn't sell out when there was nothing for them to sell out.

=/ Theres the grievance. They had plenty too offer, and they did so.

And if you think this is a gangbang, NSG isn't your place. It's a gangbang when there are 5 or 6 people having at you at once. Me and Pot are just two people.

Erm no, there are about 3 others, along with about 6 random people who have posted a potshot here and thier. =/

Erm- Alright, too a point, your conceeding they have talent. You dont care about lyrical talent... So thats just how you percieve a song then, based on the instrumentals? The lyrics do not matter?

That's the opposite of what I said. In music with lyrics, I don't give a fuck about the instruments. It's what they say and the way they can convey it that matters to me.

Selling millions of albums? =/

A waste of fucking 15 minutes, IMO, but that's their perogative, not mine.

Alright. You may think what you wish, but wheather you like it or not, no matter how much you fell in "misinterperts" punk, pop-punk is now an industrial term.

And? What the fuck do you think has me so angry? The music industry is, once again, stealing everything we had and using it to create shitty, worthless pop music and doing it our name.


=/ Theres the grievance. They had plenty too offer, and they did so.

Not in my terms. Sure, they have pretty music. I don't really care about that. It's what they say and do that I care about. They never had a real punk policy, so there was nothing for them to sell out. They were always Pop "artists"

Erm no, there are about 3 others, along with about 6 random people who have posted a potshot here and thier. =/

Not repeatedly. The only two serious members of this debate on this side were Pot and me. The others really don't care all that much about punk one way or another. Ignore the potshots, if they are empty (which most of them have been), there isn't a point in responding.

That's the opposite of what I said. In music with lyrics, I don't give a fuck about the instruments. It's what they say and the way they can convey it that matters to me.

Alright. Its a matter of personal taste.



A waste of fucking 15 minutes, IMO, but that's their perogative, not mine.

As they count hundred dollar bills off the back of thier hookers... :p



And? What the fuck do you think has me so angry? The music industry is, once again, stealing everything we had and using it to create shitty, worthless pop music and doing it our name.

Ah so your against the music industry. Mh-Hmm.




Not in my terms. Sure, they have pretty music. I don't really care about that. It's what they say and do that I care about. They never had a real punk policy, so there was nothing for them to sell out. They were always Pop "artists"

So the background of the band members is a factor (major?) in which will dictate whether you listen too them or not?


Not repeatedly. The only two serious members of this debate on this side were Pot and me. The others really don't care all that much about punk one way or another. Ignore the potshots, if they are empty (which most of them have been), there isn't a point in responding.

Ah ok.

After giving them a good listen today, I decided I like (early) Genesis. Not their crappy pop phase. Selling England by the Pound is a good album, IMO.

As they count hundred dollar bills off the back of thier hookers... :p

Hey, some people measure success in dollar signs. Whatever. I don't.

Ah so your against the music industry. Mh-Hmm.

Absolutely. Greedy old men who never played an instrument in their lives don't know shit about music or art. They're just there to exploit the sound and make money off of pseudo-art.

So the background of the band members is a factor (major?) in which will dictate whether you listen too them or not?

No. What dictates what I listen to is what they do and say. FOB have never done a thing I agreed with with their music, so it's not like they can suddenly stop.

Hey, some people measure success in dollar signs. Whatever. I don't.

They sort of go hand in hand nowadays...



Absolutely. Greedy old men who never played an instrument in their lives don't know shit about music or art. They're just there to exploit the sound and make money off of pseudo-art.

Thus, capitalism.


No. What dictates what I listen to is what they do and say. FOB have never done a thing I agreed with with their music, so it's not like they can suddenly stop.

Ah I see.

Actually, there are no good bands.

Not anymore. They're all so un-rock and roll. Can you imagine any of them dying in a plane crash, or of a drug overdose? No.
Choking to death on a slice of quiche while posing for the photographers from Hello magazine at some dumb party? More likely.

Static-X, Rammstein, Linkin Park, 10 Years, 18 Visions, 30 Seconds to Mars, 311, 3 Doors Down, ACDC, Adema, AFI, Alice in Chains, Alien Ant Farm, All-American Rejects, Alter Bridge, Apartment 26, Audio Slave, Avenged Sevenfold, Black Sabbath, Blind Guardian, Blink 182, Boston, Breaking Benjamins, Break of Reality, Bush, Cake, Celldweller, Chevelle, CKY, Coheed and Cambria, Collective Soul, Damage Plan, Dfive9, Default, Deftones, Depeche Mode, Dishwalla, Disturbed, Dope, DragonForce, Drowning Pool, Dry Cell, Eagles, Earshot, Eminem, Evanescence, Everclear, Finger 11, FisherSpooner, Flogging Molly, Flyleaf, Foo Fighters, Foreigner, Fort Minor, Franz Ferdinand, Fuel, Godhead, Godsmack, Good Charlotte, Green Day, Group X, Guns and Roses, Hoobastank, Hot Action Cop, Ill Nino, Incubus, Jem, Jimmy Eat World, Juanes, Kidney Thieves, The Killers, KoRn, Lazy Boy, Led Zeplin, Lifehouse, Live, The Living End, Los Lonely Boys, Lost Prophets, Marilyn Manson, Maroon 5, MC Chris, Megadeth, Metalica, Modest Mouse, Mono, Mudvayne, Muse, NERD, Nickleback, Nine-Inch Nails, Nonpoint, The Offspring, Ozzy, Pantera, Papa Roach, Paul Oakenfold, Powerman 5000, Prodigy, Queen, Queens of the Stoneage, Rage Against the Machine, The Rasmus, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rob Zombie, Scorpians, Seether, The Servant, Shinedown, Simian, Skindred, Slayer, Slipknot, Snow Patrol, SoiL, Styx, Susperia, Switchfoot, System of a Down, Taproot, Tenacious D, Third Eye Blind, Three Days Grace, Thrice, TISM, TITARIUS and 9-Volt Lightning woo!, Tool, Trans Siberian Orchestra, Trapt, Vertical Horizon, Verve Pipe, Weezer, Weird Al

Static-X, Rammstein, Linkin Park, 10 Years, 18 Visions, 30 Seconds to Mars, 311, 3 Doors Down, ACDC, Adema, AFI, Alice in Chains, Alien Ant Farm, All-American Rejects, Alter Bridge, Apartment 26, Audio Slave, Avenged Sevenfold, Black Sabbath, Blind Guardian, Blink 182, Boston, Breaking Benjamins, Break of Reality, Bush, Cake, Celldweller, Chevelle, CKY, Coheed and Cambria, Collective Soul, Damage Plan, Dfive9, Default, Deftones, Depeche Mode, Dishwalla, Disturbed, Dope, DragonForce, Drowning Pool, Dry Cell, Eagles, Earshot, Eminem, Evanescence, Everclear, Finger 11, FisherSpooner, Flogging Molly, Flyleaf, Foo Fighters, Foreigner, Fort Minor, Franz Ferdinand, Fuel, Godhead, Godsmack, Good Charlotte, Green Day, Group X, Guns and Roses, Hoobastank, Hot Action Cop, Ill Nino, Incubus, Jem, Jimmy Eat World, Juanes, Kidney Thieves, The Killers, KoRn, Lazy Boy, Led Zeplin, Lifehouse, Live, The Living End, Los Lonely Boys, Lost Prophets, Marilyn Manson, Maroon 5, MC Chris, Megadeth, Metalica, Modest Mouse, Mono, Mudvayne, Muse, NERD, Nickleback, Nine-Inch Nails, Nonpoint, The Offspring, Ozzy, Pantera, Papa Roach, Paul Oakenfold, Powerman 5000, Prodigy, Queen, Queens of the Stoneage, Rage Against the Machine, The Rasmus, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rob Zombie, Scorpians, Seether, The Servant, Shinedown, Simian, Skindred, Slayer, Slipknot, Snow Patrol, SoiL, Styx, Susperia, Switchfoot, System of a Down, Taproot, Tenacious D, Third Eye Blind, Three Days Grace, Thrice, TISM, TITARIUS and 9-Volt Lightning woo!, Tool, Trans Siberian Orchestra, Trapt, Vertical Horizon, Verve Pipe, Weezer, Weird Al

I really don't know whether to grimace in disgust or smile and nod at this one. :p

They sort of go hand in hand nowadays...

Some people feel that way. I am not one of them.


Thus, capitalism.

There is nothing inately capitalistic about the music industry. Older Lessaize Faire markets saw composers and artists who produced more meaningful art receiving their backing from patrons. All the music industry does is provide a post-industrial mass-market. I don't blame capitalism, merely the modernist mindset where nothing costs quite enough anymore.

I really don't know whether to grimace in disgust or smile and nod at this one. :p

Dear lord...


...Nickleback?!

I really don't know whether to grimace in disgust or smile and nod at this one. :p
Dear lord...


...Nickleback?!

I think we know the answer...

Yeah. Thanks. I knew it was a kinda weird last name, but I couldn't remember it for the life of me. I assume you remember the name because of his Nirvana biography? :pYep. :)

Dear lord...


...Nickleback?!

I think we know the answer...

Yeah....that was the nod and smile part. Totally. They're like, so cool. And Chad Kroeger's funny shaped head is so HAWT!

Erm, the chronicles of Fall Out Boy selling out. You can honestly tell the differnce.

Dead on Arrival- Kinda a thing for thier early fans. Before a major label or major popularity outside of Chicago. The crowds you see are practically all from Chicago, and the parephenillia wasnt avaible everywhere like it is now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBvAeNJHWs


Saturday- Label signed on, first true scripted video. Thier signed too a major label, and the've started too grow out of illinois.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEzhlFqtAJk


Grand Theft Autum- Still before the whole MTV stuff, but the popularity from the Take This To Your Grave album boosts the video. After this, its alot of selling out. Last true FOB song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V69JaWDdc64


Sugar, we're going down- Heres where it is. All over the new label, the merchandise comes into stores, and thier on MTV every week. A great song, but the band is almost unrecognizable from thier roots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVc9lFgArso

Sixteen Candles- I think this was after SWGD...Anyway a good video, but notice the production value, vs, Saturday...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLkAisj0HE4


Dance, Dance- A great video, an even greater song, but this is the pinacle. The band is owned by thier label, (apolitical, refrain from foul language, for the PG audience) This is the end. Or is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl0FthEKe7g


This aint a scene- Erm, increidbly high production....But a new producer is evident, thier style has changed greatly. Good video, but this means a new flavor, which they certainly will share with everyone. Yes, they are still selling out. =(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vESeeJC-4nE

Someone who listens to Enter Shikari, All Time Low, Simple Plan and TBS, namely me, happens to think that FOB are indeed awful, but havent sold out, having never had any integrity to sell.

Yay I can copy and paste a list I made before (over a period of time).

Well here is a list in no particular order of the bands I can remember:

Dropkick Murphys
Bad Religion
Rancid
Pennywise
The Offspring
Lars and the Bastards
The Clash
The Damned
GBH
Conflict
Horropops
The Exploited
U.K. Subs
Anti-Nowhere League
Subhumans
Toy Dolls
Peter and the Test Tube Babies
4ft Fingers
The Business
Minor Threat
CockSparrer
Choking Victim
Specials
Madness
Desmond Dekker
The Transplants
Rage Against the Machine
Misfits
REM
Dead Kennedys
U.S. Bombs
Jakkpot
Black Flag
Bad Manners
Me First and The Gimme Gimmes
Planet Smashers
The Buzzcocks
Gogol Bordello
Stiff Little Fingers
Sham 69
The Meteors
One Way System
The Adicts
Nekromantix
Agent Orange
Demented Are Go
Empress of Fur
Klingonz
Taggy Tones
OS Catalepticos
Niteshift Trio....too many damn psychobilly bands to mention
Descendents
The Instigators
NOFX
Operation Ivy
Slackers
Die Hunns
Pressure Point
Voodoo Glow Skulls
UP-BEAT
H20
Swingin' Utters
The Skatalites
Reagan Youth
RHCP
Vision
Guttermouth
The Dwarves
Less Than Jake
Flogging Molly
Sage Francis
Hayseed Dixie
Bouncing Souls
The Mad Caddies
Ramones
Suicidal Tendancies
Social Distortion
The Dickies
The Vandals
The Sex Pistols
Reel Big Fish
The Jam
Tsunami Bomb
The Beach Boys (don't ask)
Motorhead
Discharge
Bob Marley
Whitmore
The Beat
Sick of It All
Iggy and the Stooges
Beastie Boys
SOAD
Iron Maiden
The Kinks
The Cramps
Metallica
Alkaline Trio
Agnostic Front
Cockney Rejects
Stray Cats
Bad Brains
Reel Big Fish
The Stranglers

Hooray, "some" bands.

Wew, that's a long list... *looks above at previous post*

Good to see someone actually responded to my "huggy" post. Well, in some attempt to go ahead and go on with the actual point of the thread, I'll put down some groups/bands I like. More definite this time, I promise.

And sorry for repeats.
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Depeche Mode (never gets old!)
a-Ha (and not for "Take on Me")
Y Not 7 (best Thai group EVER... okay, no more side comments)
Three Days Grace
Disturbed
Deftones
Pink Floyd
Adema
Alien Ant Farm
Avenged Sevenfold
Guns 'n' Roses
Blue Oyster Cult
Gorillaz
Breaking Benjamin
Korn
Daft Punk
Cardigans
Celldweller
Chumbawamba
Coheed and Cambria
X Japan
Dir en Grey
Malice Mizer
Coldplay
the OLD Creed
Goo Goo Dolls
Wallflowers
Hootie and the Blowfish
Green Day
White Stripes
Electrasy
Enigma
Nightwish
Everclear
Foo Fighters
Nirvana
Garbage
Nine Inch Nails
Hoobastank
Jars of Clay
Third Day
Skillet
Hyperstatic Union
David Crowder Band
War
The Beatles
Journey
Lostprophets

And the list goes on. I'm about as scattered as.... something scattered. :confused:

Dear lord...


...Nickleback?!

Are they really that bad?

Are they really that bad?

Yes.

Yes.

You know, I wasn't going to believe you, until I saw the italics. Now I know they must be bad.

You know, I wasn't going to believe you, until I saw the italics. Now I know they must be bad.

It's true. Not only that, but the vocalist has a body that's totally disproportionate to his head, yet all of the fangirls think that he's the hottest shit ever.

Puke.

It's true. Not only that, but the vocalist has a body that's totally disproportionate to his head, yet all of the fangirls think that he's the hottest shit ever.

Puke.


His body to big, or his head to small?

FOB's lyrics are great, very poetic. I never really compared them too any "great bands of all time", I only stated I like them. I do listen too alot of bands. Once you finish your tirade, i'd like too state im into alot of other bands. I dont give a crap how the FOB members behave when not peforming, I just like the songs. Your a cliche' anti-corporate sellout, and this affects your musicial tastes. Thats good. But I think at times this blinds you from heraing good bands as well, this itself can be ignorant. =/ Here are some other bands I like:

All American Rejects
Kaiser Chiefs
Franz Ferdinand
Green Day
Red Jumpsuit Aparatus
Panic! At the disco
My Chemical Romance
Gym Class Heroes


I have alot of other songs, but usually just one or two of them.

Green Day is shitty, Panic! at the disco is shittier and My chemical romance is the shitiest. FOB's lyrics are about as poetic as getting hit by dump truck while pissing blood. You only listen to MTV emo music (I'm not really into emo in general but this seems appropiate) this makes you extremely close minded. I've yet to see you post any band that doesn't associate itself with that genre. Try listening to someone who has actual talent.

Someone who listens to Enter Shikari, All Time Low, Simple Plan and TBS, namely me, happens to think that FOB are indeed awful, but havent sold out, having never had any integrity to sell.


Simple plan aint much better buddy. =/

That[/i] was classic).



And if you think this is a gangbang, NSG isn't your place. It's a gangbang when there are 5 or 6 people having at you at once. Me and Pot are just two people.

Heres the video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_5Qtt4MBt08
and heres a third person.




and heres another video for laughs::D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI

Green Day is shitty, Panic! at the disco is shittier and My chemical romance is the shitiest. FOB's lyrics are about as poetic as getting hit by dump truck while pissing blood. You only listen to MTV emo music (I'm not really into emo in general but this seems appropiate) this makes you extremely close minded. I've yet to see you post any band that doesn't associate itself with that genre. Try listening to someone who has actual talent.

Your a complete moron if you're suggesting all the bands I listed are without talent. =/ As for thier lyrics, I dont care what you think, if you like shitty classic rock, stick too that. Ill stick too my thing.

And once again, you suffer from a lack of blood, or possibly a fist-sized tumor in your skull, if you define the Kaiser Chiefs and Franz Ferdinand, as MTV emo. =/

Could you uhm, maybe refer a band too me?

Heres the video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_5Qtt4MBt08

Thanks.

and heres another video for laughs::D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI

This on the other hand, kinda sucked. :P

Your a complete moron if you're suggesting all the bands I listed are without talent. =/ As for thier lyrics, I dont care what you think, if you like shitty classic rock, stick too that. Ill stick too my thing.

And once again, you suffer from a lack of blood, or possibly a fist-sized tumor in your skull, if you define the Kaiser Chiefs and Franz Ferdinand, as MTV emo. =/

Could you uhm, maybe refer a band too me?

Dresden Dolls.

Heres the video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_5Qtt4MBt08
and heres a third person.




and heres another video for laughs::D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI


Seriously, those dont get old. =/

Dresden Dolls.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLyG0BJhJY

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Sorry mate, just particularly intrigue me. (and you lecture on crap taste =/)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLyG0BJhJY

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Sorry mate, just particularly intrigue me. (and you lecture on crap taste =/)

No I don't, actually.

Your a complete moron if you're suggesting all the bands I listed are without talent. =/ As for thier lyrics, I dont care what you think, if you like shitty classic rock, stick too that. Ill stick too my thing.

And once again, you suffer from a lack of blood, or possibly a fist-sized tumor in your skull, if you define the Kaiser Chiefs and Franz Ferdinand, as MTV emo. =/

Could you uhm, maybe refer a band too me?

Uhm.. Why don't you check the list that I already posted??? Unless intelligent thinking isn't really your style, in which case the perfect band for you would indeed be fall out boy.
P.S. Most of the bands I listed aren't defined as classic rock...

You're kidding. Most of those artists (with perhaps the exception of Green Day) are certainly well respected by people who are fans of their respective music styles.

Among musicians and fans, but among average people, they don't. Especially where I'm from. Me and my friend are the only two kids who know who the MC5 even are in my school, and as for Jeff Beck, I was insulted by the fact people didn't know who he was.

Uhm.. Why don't you check the list that I already posted??? Unless intelligent thinking isn't really your style, in which case the perfect band for you would indeed be fall out boy.
P.S. Most of the bands I listed aren't defined as classic rock...

Obviously its not your style, you accused my tastes of only being MTV emo. This would have too include Franz Ferdinand and Kaiser Chiefs. Read the snip your quoting next time. Panic! At the disco is emo influenced, but mostly indie/elctronic, so they cant really be defined as MTV emo. =/

No I don't, actually.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

I've never mentioned poor taste once in this thread. I have not criticized anyone's choice of music. Though if you're going to think so anyway, I may as well be honest:

"Rap music really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY sucks.