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Why do you even have to tell people you are an athiest? Does it come up in conversation that often?

My sister ratted me out. I wasn't going to come out, not this soon anyway. :(

Hey don't be that cruel, just say "the deep south". All of US is going a bit far.

Some people are very religious even if they don't live in the Bible Belt.
Some people who live in the Bible Belt aren't religious at all.
Don't judge by the loudest and most obnoxious, on EITHER side of the spectrum.

I even made a puppet for your NS region! :fluffle:

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Lol: "How will you feel when everyone you love goes to heaven and you dont?"

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

I have to say the folowing: Saying you are an atheist is easy. Figuring out what it means that is hard. Because, at least I, once I decided I didnt believe in god, I tryed to search other religions that could offer me answers.

I tried buddhism, taoism, hinduism, and many others, and the one I came closest was buddhism. You see, there are some buddhist groups that ARE atheists. The theravada way, that is the "way of the ancients", is the one directly linked to Sidarta Gautama´s teachings. That means they dont necessarily believe in gods, and they do believe Sidarta was just an human being (even if they consider him the greatest human being ever).

Why I liked buddhism? Because its simple, realistic and rational. Everything I was looking for. Its a religious/filosofical path that doesnt depend on god but yourself (I´m talking about Theravada here). And I was ready to embrace it.

But the deal is, and some could say its the beauty of buddhism, is that all its efforts are towards the end of the karma cycle. The end of rebirth. The para-nirvana, where a "soul" doesnt need to come back to the world. Well, every single buddhist teaching has the nirvana as its goal.

But the problem is that I dont believe in rebirth. Yes, I do believe in karma, but not in the spiritual way. So I figured out that, if I only have one shot, one life, and I dont need to do anything to come back again, why should I reach nirvana? Why should I end the desire, since this is only meant for me to not come back to this earth? And considering I believe it wont happen anyway, why should I do it?

And it was then that I truly became an atheist. You see, as long as you have any kind of spiritual belief, you will never be a true atheist. Because it takes years for you to reach this stage where you absolutely scrap all your spiritual beliefs and toss it into the garbage. You have to destroy part of your soul, your morals to be a true atheist. Because being a true atheist means:

- Once you´re dead, youre gone. Your sons and daughters will cry for your, your grandsons will remember you and their sons will never even know your name. No heaven, no afterlife, no rebirth. Nothing. Not even a black void. You just cease to exist all together, because you´re nothing.

- There is no right or wrong. The only thing that stops you from comiting a crime are laws. And laws are made by humans who have as much right to do it as you do. The rules are created, not writen in stone. That doesnt mean you want to comit crimes, but it doesnt bother you one bit. You dont do it because its not worth it. You stop feeling guilt, shame, or any "higher" feelings.

- Human life means nothing. Most people are nothing but ignorant meat walking around, which will live their mediocre lives, die and in 50 years no one will know who they are.

- If you want your life to have some kind of meaning, you will have to do something great enough for people to remember you. Otherwise you will turn to dust, feed a worm, that will feed a bird, that will crap in a tree, that will make the tree grow faster, and that will create a fruit that will feed your granddaughter.

- Desire is one of the few things that matter. If your life is going to end soon, why bother? Life the way you want to live, and fuck everyone else.

And that, my friends, is what happens when you just know that there are no absolute truths, and that every "truth" you´ve learned since you were a baby was actually created by someone just like yourself. ANd that means you have just the same right to create the rules as anyone else.

- There is no right or wrong. The only thing that stops you from comiting a crime are laws. And laws are made by humans who have as much right to do it as you do. The rules are created, not writen in stone. That doesnt mean you want to comit crimes, but it doesnt bother you one bit. You dont do it because its not worth it. You stop feeling guilt, shame, or any "higher" feelings.
Um... no.

Any updates on the situation here, by the way?

Um... no.

Any updates on the situation here, by the way?

Not really.

I'm not getting kicked off NS, so the farewell thread I was contemplating will never exist.

And I'm not entirely sure we're still going to that candlelight service... err, well, that I am anyway.

And lo and behold, the cow who ratted me out is Trinityness. :rolleyes:

Not really.

I'm not getting kicked off NS, so the farewell thread I was contemplating will never exist.

And I'm not entirely sure we're still going to that candlelight service... err, well, that I am anyway.

And lo and behold, the cow who ratted me out is Trinityness. :rolleyes:
:D
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:D
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However, I may have started up a furious desire in my mother to go back to hcurch. :(

Not really.

I'm not getting kicked off NS, so the farewell thread I was contemplating will never exist.

And I'm not entirely sure we're still going to that candlelight service... err, well, that I am anyway.

And lo and behold, the cow who ratted me out is Trinityness. :rolleyes:

that's good to you are not getting kick off NS would not be the same with out you

an when the time came's your sister will get it

as it's Christmas here :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

...As an atheist, I'm not gay or anything. MY sister ratted me out.

Why on earth did you tell her?

that's good to you are not getting kick off NS would not be the same with out you

an when the time came's your sister will get it

as it's Christmas here :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Speaking of which, aren't you leaving to go get shot at? :(

Don't worry about going to church, just treat it as an opportunity. To do what was suggested in the early pages of the thread and practise your arson skillz.

Joking, sheesh. :p

Speaking of which, aren't you leaving to go get shot at? :(

Don't worry about going to church, just treat it as an opportunity. To do what was suggested in the early pages of the thread and practise your arson skillz.

Joking, sheesh. :p

still waiting to see if i'am in
not like i made much here or be missed if i leave

Why on earth did you tell her?

And lo, we have reached the important question.

Just become agnostic and confuse the hell out of everyone :D

"You don't believe in god!?"
"Kinda."
"What do ya mean, kinda?"
"I don't know."
"Huh?"
"Exactly."

Coming out? Oh please, being an atheist isn't taboo man.

Um... yes, it can be.

Where? Dumbfucksville?:D

IF that means pretty much everywhere except NSG, then yes. :(


try Britain and most of northern Europe.
you'd be accepted here :fluffle:

maybe you'll get more xmas presents to try and convert you back. either that, or you'll get nothing.

maybe you'll get more xmas presents to try and convert you back. either that, or you'll get nothing.
That's a good point. They might decide that you've got nothing to celebrate, seeing as you're not a Christian.

Just become agnostic and confuse the hell out of everyone :D

"You don't believe in god!?"
"Kinda."
"What do ya mean, kinda?"
"I don't know."
"Huh?"
"Exactly."

:D

I just respond to the NSG is to blame part.......

I don't feel that it's fair to blame it on NSG for the large amount of atheists here. I for one, have a very strong belief in God and Jesus Christ and no matter what anybody on NSG says or the sources they may try to provide will ever convert me to being an Atheist. Whether or not you believe in God, I think it's a good thing to have some sort of belief in something. I'll always Love and appreciate God no matter whether it be bad or Good times. I'll continue to Thank the Good Lord for everything He has provided for me.

Because being a true atheist means:

...none of the things you listed. Belief that there are no gods is the one and only prerequisite to be an atheist. It was already mentioned, that some Buddhist sects are, correctly, referred to as atheist, even though they believe in things like karma, cycle of rebirth and Nirvana. But they don't believe in gods. Period.

I'm not an expert on the matter, but I think your philosophy sort of resembles that of LaVeyan satanists.

- Once you´re dead, youre gone. Your sons and daughters will cry for your, your grandsons will remember you and their sons will never even know your name. No heaven, no afterlife, no rebirth. Nothing. Not even a black void. You just cease to exist all together, because you´re nothing.

Well... You got this part right, anyway.

- There is no right or wrong. The only thing that stops you from comiting a crime are laws. And laws are made by humans who have as much right to do it as you do. The rules are created, not writen in stone. That doesnt mean you want to comit crimes, but it doesnt bother you one bit. You dont do it because its not worth it. You stop feeling guilt, shame, or any "higher" feelings.

Absolutely false. Morals do not have to be God-given to be morals.

- Human life means nothing. Most people are nothing but ignorant meat walking around, which will live their mediocre lives, die and in 50 years no one will know who they are.
- Desire is one of the few things that matter. If your life is going to end soon, why bother? Life the way you want to live, and fuck everyone else.

Erm... We're not talking about Nihilism. Only Schopenhauer beleived that kinda tripe.

So? I still have my blankie and I also keep a rifle in my room. :D

Rifles, the best defense systems in the world.
Hello all.
Damn, my grandma's here.

Rifles, the best defense systems in the world.
Hello all.
Damn, my grandma's here.

having a MG is all so good

having a MG is all so good

What???

And lo, we have reached the important question.

I told my friend, who told my sister. :(

What???

Machine Gun MG

What???

:p

:p

and did you know what i was on about

and did you know what i was on about

Not really. :p Kidding, I did know.

:fluffle:

Not really. :p Kidding, I did know.

:fluffle:

:fluffle: i see you would miss me if i leave

:fluffle: i see you would miss me if i leave

Yes, I would. :(

:fluffle:

Yes, I would. :(

:fluffle:
:fluffle:
still waiting to see if i'm in and i'am now sad

:fluffle:
still waiting to see if i'm in and i'am now sad

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having a MG is all so good

MG nest behind 15cm of steel is not bad either.

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:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
be lot more happy if wife was caming back tonight

MG nest behind 15cm of steel is not bad either.

use a .50 cal for it

That's a good point. They might decide that you've got nothing to celebrate, seeing as you're not a Christian.

For God's (or whoever's) sake, think of the presents.

I told my friend, who told my sister. :(

Your "friend", you say...

That's a good point. They might decide that you've got nothing to celebrate, seeing as you're not a Christian.

The traditional Christian way of celebrating Christmas is by fasting. So he should be the only one eating the food.
No getting pressies from the demi-urge though ;)

The traditional Christian way of celebrating Christmas is by fasting. So he should be the only one eating the food.
No getting pressies from the demi-urge though ;)

she

she

*bows head in shame*

I'm glad most of my family is more tolerant, though we're mostly atheists. My father my have a stroke if I came out as a Southern Baptist though. Or a Catholic or Mormon for that matter.

I'm glad most of my family is more tolerant, though we're mostly atheists. My father my have a stroke if I came out as a Southern Baptist though. Or a Catholic or Mormon for that matter.

But only Mormons and Kenny

get into Heaven! How is heavenly access bad?

[/SouthParkreference]

I for one, am agnostic. While I'm skeptical of the existence of any religion's god(s), there's bound to be some sort of driving force out there. I go to a Catholic school, but it's more because of the dilapidated state of the public school system in my area than any issue of faith. My parents still think I believe in God, though, even though I believe "it's a big load of hokey", as the famed NS issue puts it.

But only Mormons get into Heaven! How is heavenly access bad?

Because it is filled with mormons ;)?

Because it is filled with mormons ;)?

So says Saddam. :p But he can build his NBCs up there...

[/SOUTHPARKREFERENCE#2]

SOUTHPARKREFERENCE#2

*Kills Minaris*

[SOUTHPARKREFERENCE#3]

*shouting Early South Park Kenny Death Reference*

*Kills Minaris*

[SOUTHPARKREFERENCE#3]

*Comes back.*

[SOUTHPARKREFERENCE4]

*Comes back.*

[SOUTHPARKREFERENCE4]

To have sex with a porcupine ?

[CHRISTMASSOUTHPARKREFERENCE1]

But only Mormons and Kenny

get into Heaven! How is heavenly access bad?

[/SouthParkreference]

So says Saddam. :p But he can build his NBCs up there...

[/SOUTHPARKREFERENCE#2]

*Kills Minaris*

[SOUTHPARKREFERENCE#3]

*shouting Early South Park Kenny Death Reference*

*Comes back.*

[SOUTHPARKREFERENCE4]

To have sex with a porcupine ?

[CHRISTMASSOUTHPARKREFERENCE1]


http://www.diecast-dude.com/images/shutthehellup.jpg:p

SHUT UP! SHUT YOUR GODDAMN JEW MOUTH!

























[/south park] ¬_¬

Your "friend", you say... I knew it was going to get to my sister, but I wasn't expecting my sister to blab it.... :(

But only Mormons and Kenny

get into Heaven! How is heavenly access bad?

[/SouthParkreference]

Because it is filled with mormons ;)?

So says Saddam. :p But he can build his NBCs up there...

[/SOUTHPARKREFERENCE#2]

*Kills Minaris*

[SOUTHPARKREFERENCE#3]

*shouting Early South Park Kenny Death Reference*

*Comes back.*

[SOUTHPARKREFERENCE4]

To have sex with a porcupine ?

[CHRISTMASSOUTHPARKREFERENCE1]

Oh, science :headbang: [/southparkreference#6]

I knew it was going to get to my sister, but I wasn't expecting my sister to blab it.... :(

Do you reckon it's going to cause you big family problems?

Do you reckon it's going to cause you big family problems?

Not big, no.

What I mean is, my parents have gotten over the shock now, and everything's back to normal, though I still don't ge the feeling that anyone taking me seriously. :(

Not big, no.

What I mean is, my parents have gotten over the shock now, and everything's back to normal, though I still don't ge the feeling that anyone taking me seriously. :(

You mean they think it's "only a phase" or something?

"Her rules" do not extend into your mind, I hope.

If I decide that to live in my house, you have to think a certain way, well, it's my house.

If I find out you don't, and tell you to "shape up or ship out", well, you'd better shape up or you'll find yourself shipping out.

The owner of the house gets to decide who is allowed in it, and may base that decision on whatever criteria he/she wishes.

Not big, no.

What I mean is, my parents have gotten over the shock now, and everything's back to normal, though I still don't ge the feeling that anyone taking me seriously. :(

Well, they'll (hopefully) get over themselves and accept you as one who seeks the truth.

You mean they think it's "only a phase" or something?

Yeah. My mom thinks I'm rebelling. :rolleyes:

I know it isn't, but do you really think insulting DN's mother will work to try and get her to come around?

First off, the only person I've even remotely insulted here is you, and frankly, you deserve it.

As opposed to what, exactly?

As opposed to getting all hopped up on Christian Meth and penning a sweet little missive to Darknovae's mother trying to sound all Jesussy and forgiving. DN's asking for ears and ideas, not a counter-harangue for her mother.

Face it, you were grandstanding and trying to look all scripturally literate for the glory of nobody but yourself (or the chicks...). That's fine by me, but you're gonna get called on it, and I made the call.

I never saw any of his posts that said he was a Christian. Ah well, I still <3 LG anyway.

:fluffle: to you, LG, Smunkee, Londim, and Zarakon. :fluffle:

How come I didn't get a fluffle??!??! I've supported you silently the whole way! :(

Well I had to get in on this; I know exactly how you feel my parents did the same thing to me... Also to those of you that replay as saying being Atheist isn't taboo or anything like that, well all I have to say is it is. In fact in present day society many people are so under educated about religion that when you say the words Atheist many people reply, and seriously reply, you worship the devil? Now back to the subject at hand I must ask have you parents tried the guilt trip? For instance the one I hear most often is "How will you feel when all of the people who you love, and love you back, go to heaven and you don't?" Its amazing how well that one sentence irked me, along with how well it reaffirmed my beliefs in Atheism. Every time I would here it all I could think was what religion is worth believing in if you have to be guilt tripped into it, every time my parents, or anyone else for that matter, would try to persuade me into converting I would get the felling that they were trying to get me to join in a cult. In fact the humor in that is for the most part present day humanity has twisted religious beliefs, most that of Christianity, into the form of a cult. Back when Christianity was first formed it was mans way of creating a feeling of worth, a way of knowing that there was something out there assuring them that everything would be all right. This was fine, because to be honest most of humanity needs that feeling to properly function in society, and in that time period the need was even greater, now though its become another source of money, and power. Mans greed has turned something beautiful into a secretly corrupt system. Of course I must give examples to back up this statement, and I will.

Lets start with church, right in my opinion church is one of mans greatest sins brought through greed, when the bible was originally written it stated that to be a good Christian all you needed to do was follow the 10 commandments and worship god within the sanctuary of your own being, and when I say god I do not mean Jesus Christ, nothing irks me more than people who associate Christianity with the worship of Jesus Christ. For the record, Jesus Christ is rather new in comparison with God, and the origins of Christianity are God not Jesus. Anyways, back to church, now the original idea of worship inside the sanctuary of ones self was a good one, but then came along some smartass (Romans to be exact, though they weren’t the first Jews and Islam’s were but that’s a different form of Christianity that we aren’t talking about) with the idea that you could pull all of those people into a building and preach to them what was right in front of their faces, and collect donations off of it saying that its the will of God and the proper thing for a good Christian to do (prove me wrong any of you bastards who are offended by this because I guarantee you there are always a few who do). Which if you think about it how many Pastors and Priests do you think really care about all of man, lets look back into the past, who in the past has been allowed into churches along with giving the upper hand in most situations of class and dignity? White protestants, (and no for the record I am not black, Mexican, or Asian, I am white and can still be sickened by the injustices of my predecessors) now lets think about that, that in turn makes the ancient church racist, and even though its been a long time, the last time I read the bible I did not see anything in there about racial segregation. Now sure this may have changed in modern day times, but the foundations were set that way and that’s what im getting at. Now what’s next on the menu?

How about preaching in the schools, even though in most states this is now illegal, it is very, VERY common. In fact my younger sister (she’s a little over 14, not that its an important fact) came home not too long ago, feeling bad that she did not believe in god because her teacher had criticized and downed her beliefs. Needless to say that teacher is no longer employed and currently undergoing several law suits, but that’s not important. Now I’m not saying that that anything with underlying Christian ideals should be banned from schools, in fact I was very pissed to find out that many schools in California have banned an absolutely wonderful piece of literature by the name of “Lord of the Fly’s,” solely due to the fact that some atheist asshole decided that due to its underlying Christian ideals, and the laws that state religion is not aloud to be preached on a school campus, that he should sue the district and get it removed from said districts. Now that’s just too far, there is a difference between teachings telling students their beliefs and books with “Ideals.” Well that’s enough about schools, but wait there is more!

Its time for religious battles! The 1v1 brawls that have spawned ages, this is probably the most absurd thing about religion, and the biggest evidence of what man can do to a once beautiful thing. Its probably what drove me away the most, the whole my religions right, no mine is argument just never ends. I always get comments like “So what happens when I go to heaven and you don’t? Your willing to take that chance?” Its gotten to the point now where I just reply with “And what about that Buddhist monk over there? What happens when he gets reincarnated and you don’t? Are you willing to take that chance?” Which is where the normal “No, no, no, that’s way different” argument comes in and I just leave. It’s hideous what we will do to prove our point that were right, I mean Jesus look at the crusades, how many people had to die so that some egotistic male could be right? There are just so many fields to show how absurd religion has become in our “modern day society,” wars, grants, scholarships, and tax right offs… take Mormons for example, could you imagine having to donate a portion of your paycheck to the church? Well that’s all Ill write for now, its late and as much as I would love to give more examples, I’m getting rather tired and besides the more I write the less most will read ;) . So for tonight I’m done, Good night all, Merry Christmas, and I look forward to replying to all the hate mail I normally end up getting lol :D

Ritalin. Look into it.

not you too :eek:
they still after me thinking i know were LG is

How come I didn't get a fluffle??!??! I've supported you silently the whole way! :(

They're all against you. You must kill them all. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.


MUHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAH

:mp5:

If I decide that to live in my house, you have to think a certain way, well, it's my house.

If I find out you don't, and tell you to "shape up or ship out", well, you'd better shape up or you'll find yourself shipping out.

The owner of the house gets to decide who is allowed in it, and may base that decision on whatever criteria he/she wishes.

Your mind is always yours no matter what your parents say... :rolleyes:

They're all against you. You must kill them all. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.


MUHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAH

:mp5:

But....but.....*drowns self in mashmallow peeps*

Yeah. My mom thinks I'm rebelling. :rolleyes:

Don't worry, when you're still an infidel and 25 she might catch on that you really don't believe in the magic sky faeries.

Your mind is always yours no matter what your parents say... :rolleyes:

Your mind is not always yours. Sometimes, someone is so charismatic or you are fearful, or something else, they can control your mind.

"Heil Hitler!"
"Big Brother is watching."
"Iraq has WMDS"

Your mind is not always yours. Sometimes, someone is so charismatic or you are fearful, or something else, they can control your mind.

"Heil Hitler!"
"Big Brother is watching."
"Iraq has WMDS"

Wow. That's such a rotten analogy, it collapses under its own lack of weight.

You're talking about mob psychology versus the ability to think for oneself. The only proper response to a mob you don't agree with is compliance unless A) you are part of a larger mob or B) you really enjoy being contradicted with truncheons.

Comparing that kind of mass media manipulation to a daughter being outed as an atheist and the inane pronouncement of "my house, my rules" when it comes to something so personal as belief is worse that comparing apples to people with apple allergies.

If I decide that to live in my house, you have to think a certain way, well, it's my house.

If I find out you don't, and tell you to "shape up or ship out", well, you'd better shape up or you'll find yourself shipping out.

The owner of the house gets to decide who is allowed in it, and may base that decision on whatever criteria he/she wishes.


That's just silly. Do you plan on putting your aluminum foil hat so you can read my mind or are you just going to wave me some jazz hands and claim you can do magic?

Darknovae, just keep your mouth shut and do what they expect of you. When you move out you get to think (and DO) anything you like. Until then, you have to act as they want. What you think is your business, as long as they don't find out about it, eh?

One of the nice things about being young is you're allowed to do stupid things because we old farts know its how you learn. It's also one of the painful things about being young. The less you show yor cards the less people will be able to use them to hurt you, eh? And the less you will hurt people who only love you and want you to be happy. So keep your cards close and be happy, and they'll be happy.

Your mind is always yours no matter what your parents say... :rolleyes:

I don't think you quite get what I'm saying here...

then try to explain better cause all I can come up with is an image of linus wearing a rumpled tinfoil hat...:D

inane pronouncement of "my house, my rules" when it comes to something so personal as belief

So are you claiming the owner of a house does *not* get to decide who is and is not allowed to live in it?

No, parents can't *force* anyone to think in any particular manner--but neither are they obligated to let you live in their house if you don't wish to follow their rules.

ah! So we are thinking in gernerally the same direction, or do you thin kit is worng to "decieve" them on this matter?

ah! So we are thinking in gernerally the same direction, or do you thin kit is worng to "decieve" them on this matter?

Yes, it is.

Lying is not always wrong, but in this case it is--because it is fraud.

You are obtaining a position that is materially superior to the one you would have had you been honest.

So are you claiming the owner of a house does *not* get to decide who is and is not allowed to live in it?

No, parents can't *force* anyone to think in any particular manner--but neither are they obligated to let you live in their house if you don't wish to follow their rules.
Um, I'm not quite sure it's, well, legal to throw your children out on the street...

So you are cliaming that a 14 year old girl who is growing and learning should tell her parents that she doesn't believe in god, risking that (if they are seriously religious) she will (by your rules) be put out on the streets?
That doesn't sound very reasonable to me:eek:

are you sure you aren't willing to leave some room decency in there?

Black and White definitions nearly always end in tears.

Black and White definitions nearly always end in tears.

:confused:

My mom instantly flipped out, and was all like "I can't believe you! When did this happen? Why don't you believe in God? I think the people on NationStates twisted your brain!"

Ironically, the same thing happened when I came out supporting gay rights. And then, after a few months of heated debating, they gave up and kind of feel the same way. I guess I actually learned something...

Concerning religion, I've gone from Catholic to atheist to agnostic to pagan to agnostic to agnostic theist, and now I'm somewhere between a monistic pagan and a Buddhist. If that made any sense to you, a winrar is you.

I go to church with my family sometimes just to pacify my mom. Really isn't worth saying no and then deal with her anger. Going to church a couple times a month to keep peace in the house is worth it. We just pretend that I'm still a believer.

So are you claiming the owner of a house does *not* get to decide who is and is not allowed to live in it?

No, parents can't *force* anyone to think in any particular manner--but neither are they obligated to let you live in their house if you don't wish to follow their rules.

Actually, they are. The law tends to frown on child abandonment.

I am claiming that parents have a legal responisbility to their children until they reach the age of majority. The problem occurs when either parents or children or both act like assholes about it, waving around either their rights as "landlord" or as "ward" and stomping about like children. Statements like "my house, my rules" generally apply to behavioral issues as opposed to philosophical ones. Since a child cannot be sent to Juvenile detention because he or she THINKS differently from their parents, yes, I'm claiming that -- when it comes to unemancipated minor offspring not in the CPS system -- the parents, even as "owners of the house", don't get to decide. So you can take your property-over-people horseshit and blow it out your anus.

I go to church with my family sometimes just to pacify my mom. Really isn't worth saying no and then deal with her anger. Going to church a couple times a month to keep peace in the house is worth it. We just pretend that I'm still a believer.

My family's not uber-religious and we haven't gone to church in well over a year... but thanks. :)

go ta bed you! *shakes fist*

go ta bed you! *shakes fist*

I just woke up 30 mins ago. I can't go back to sleep. :(

If I decide that to live in my house, you have to think a certain way, well, it's my house.

If I find out you don't, and tell you to "shape up or ship out", well, you'd better shape up or you'll find yourself shipping out.

The owner of the house gets to decide who is allowed in it, and may base that decision on whatever criteria he/she wishes.

There is one and only one way you can avoid the obligation to look after your children: not having any. You can't absolutely control what kind of people they grow up to be, and if you thought any different, then you're just terminally stupid.

People who abandon their own children for political or religious leanings or sexual orientation etc. end up in the "useless human waste" -category in my books.

I just woke up 30 mins ago. I can't go back to sleep. :(

Expecting anything good? :D

Expecting anything good? :D

Hell yes!

I bet you get a chunk of coal, ya little atheist!:D

I bet you get a chunk of coal, ya little atheist!:D

Save it for 40 years and it will be worth a small fortune ;)

I bet you get a chunk of coal, ya little atheist!:D

I didn't. ;)

WooT!:D

I had the opposite problem. When I was in my mid teens, I decided to learn about Christianity, and it scared my mother. She was worried I'd turn devout and try to convert our atheist family. It took me ages to read the bible right through, but when I'd finished it, and went out and pronounced to her that the book was a good, if pretty boring, collection of ancient histories and myths, and what I'd read in there had convinced me that god didn't exist, her sigh of relief was audible three suburbs away.

I'd say just take it quietly with your mother. Not worth getting into huge arguements about. Have been into churches for weddings and funerals, and I just stand, sit or kneel repectfully, but keep my mouth shut, when the prayers are being said, or songs sung. It is possible to keep atheist beliefs, but not ruffle theist feathers at the same time.

Yeah. My mom thinks I'm rebelling. :rolleyes:You could always take the opportunity to do the exact opposite. Being a 'better daughter' than you were before being outed as an athiest. And thusly, utterly confuse them about the value of christianity.

My family's not uber-religious and we haven't gone to church in well over a year... but thanks. :)

This makes your mothers reaction kind of odd doesn't it?

Any coming-out stories (of the religious sort)? Post em quick, I wanna see them before I go :(I got a new testament for Christmas. :p

If I decide that to live in my house, you have to think a certain way, well, it's my house.

If I find out you don't, and tell you to "shape up or ship out", well, you'd better shape up or you'll find yourself shipping out.

The owner of the house gets to decide who is allowed in it, and may base that decision on whatever criteria he/she wishes.So much for your valiant defense of freedoms...

You can't really kick someone out for thinking differently if you're still their legal guardian.

So are you claiming the owner of a house does *not* get to decide who is and is not allowed to live in it?

No, parents can't *force* anyone to think in any particular manner--but neither are they obligated to let you live in their house if you don't wish to follow their rules.

So they can throw out a minor child? I'd check those laws...

Well I didn't want to come out last night, my sister forced me to. I would have waited until I was older, but no, my sister had to go and rat me out. :(

Your sister is some piece of work.

Be like me, an Atheist who's a compulsive and chronic liar (And convincing). My friends know I'm Atheist, everyone else in life thinks I'm a 'bad' Christian waiting to be saved.

Your sister is some piece of work.

I can sympathise, as my brother's very much like her sister in that respect. I really have to keep quiet a lot, because many of the things I say eventually find their way to our dad (I wonder how that happens... sarcasm, naturally). And of course, my dad really doesn't like me that much. Then again, he dislikes anybody who exercises freewill... So you can probably imagine some of the bullshit I have to put up with.

As for you, Dark: Keep on being yourself. There's really not much more that you can do... And what's the point if you just cave in and become a tool? Keep fighting it, and maybe your mom will see that there's just no hope in "getting you back", so to speak.

I got a new testament for Christmas. :p

bah, and here i am stuck with my tatty old one - wanna swap?

Thats the most absurd thing I've heard all day. Tell her its your choice and your free to believe in what ever you like. Failing that show her the strength of your conviction by burning down her local church (unless its a Catholic Church).

Excellent.....unless it's a catholic church.....then burn it down twice!



"you are Clevinger, aren't you?? And not Popinjay??!!!??" :D

Your sister is some piece of work.

She's also "Trinityness", if oyu remember a troll around here pretending to be my puppet.

I have puppet nations, but I rarely use them on General and even when I'm on here under a different name I always say "By the way, this is Darknovae...." Trinity basically impersonated me. :mad:

Now that things have quietened down, you may not want to stir the possum on this subject.

But if it's important to you that your family understand what you're on about, try finding out what they think they're on about.

Like, when you're chatting, as opposed to going head to head, ask your Mum about her religious experiences. I guess you won't want her to Testify! Testify!, and curt "Yes" or "No" answers won't help much, so try "How" or "What" questions ("Why?" ones are too likely to get, "Because I say so, that's why!").

Things like, what did she feel about religion when she was your age? What challenged her faith? In her lifetime, how has her faith changed? What sort of crises of faith has she seen people have? How did they/she deal with them? What does she feel when she prays? What are her views on other religions?

The idea is to make a link in her mind between your views and those of other people she has known, maybe even respected. Not necessarily people who agree with you; just other people who haven't agreed with her on every point, yet have still been, in her mind, good people.

What I'm basing this advice on is my experience when I "came out" with my extreme socialist views when I was 12 or 13 in what I thought was a straight-through conservative family. To my astonishment, my Mum said I sounded just like her first boyfriend -- a Communist organiser for one of the railway unions. My Dad said it reminded him of some of the things his father had said during the Depression. (My brother said I was in love with Che Guevara, but, hey, what do brothers know?)

They didn't change their own conservative outlook, and I didn't change my socialist one, but we all got on better when I didn't feel that they thought I'd suddenly turned into The Untouchable Thing From Mars.