NationStates Jolt Archive

Then you're not thinking hard enough.
But I notice that you don't suggest any examples yourself. I still can not think of any form of mass entertainment, with the possible exception of the classic novel, where the protagonists are treated as people rather than as a collection of parts.

In "mainstream" film, the idea is at least nominally to have distinct characters fulfilling particular roles. Now, granted, a lot of movies don't really do this, but the good ones are all about it.
In a very limited selection of mainstream film - the romantic comedy or tragedy - the idea is to have distinct characters. The vast majority of film and TV programming is not concerned with the personalities as integrated human beings with complete and complex personas. They are much more concerned with the figure of the female actresses and the dynamism (for want of a better word) of the male actors.

Porn is...not so much like that.
Porn is very like that. There are a few good porn films where there is plot and characters that are of importance to the plot. The majority are, however, much more "concerned with the figure of the female actresses and the dynamism (for want of a better word) of the male actors." Sound familiar?


Hardly. I'm simply noticing that porn isn't about the individual characters or personalities involved. It is about showcasing sex, not characters or plotlines or anything else. That is so mind-numbingly obvious that I'm surprised I even have to make the point.
Got the wrong end of the stick there Bottle. I agree with regard to porn being about showcasing sex, but then other films are about showcasing SFX, violence, sex (less graphically) and not characters, plotlines or anything else.

Perhaps this is why when something is produced that is about characters, plots and the people involved - such as Lost - that this is such a success.


If you need me to explain the difference between porn and not-porn, then maybe you should do a little "research" before participating in this thread. :D

I could counter propose that you need to do some research on the non porn side of things. :p

I can sort of understand, but I think you're not using the right words. I like to watch dominant/submissive porn and I like to take part in scenarios where I'm the submissive participant.
Dominant/submissive porn is a euphemism for demeaning sexual behaviours. It is precisely because they are demeaning that the submissive partner enjoys them. I am not referring to forced, non-voluntary degradation. Personally, I think I could get as much fun out of being the master as I could out of being the slave. :) Both turn me on.

That is horny.

Not to mention unbalancing.

Are you implying that my fiance has better things to think about than the woman in front of him?

:p

Porn is just a way to satisfy a natural drive without risk of pregnancy or venereal diseases.

If people stay on the right path, they don't have to worry about the things you mentioned. And for the record Saudi Arabia has far less robberys and alcohol problems than the US, hardly uncivilised.

Isn't alcohol banned over there in the first place?

If people stay on the right path, they don't have to worry about the things you mentioned. And for the record Saudi Arabia has far less robberys and alcohol problems than the US, hardly uncivilised.

Probably because it's so hard to reoffend...

I wonder how the numbers would look if we cut off the reoffenders and took both numbers as a % of the total population.

Are you implying that my fiance has better things to think about than the woman in front of him?

I don'ty know what HE is implying but I will state properly what needs to be said...

Men and women have imaginations. Men and women BOTH have a habit of imagining the face of someone else whom they are (usually) temporarily attracted to when making love to their husband/wife/fiance/signifigant other.
It does NOT mean we don't love you. It means we have active imaginations and sex drives, and are finding ways to exercise them safely without hurting anybody.

Any sexologist will tell you the same. It's neither something to feel guilty over nor jealous of. If we tried to turn it off in shame or remorse the damage would generally be worse. So when it pops into your head, enjoy the moment with the realization that it is pretty normal.:D

I am not so sure baout all this dwarf midget talk tho.:eek:

Some porn women are actually actresses who used to be in legitimate movies and TV shows. Remember the girl from the show Family Matters? The one that Erkel was always trying to hook up with? Guess what happened to her? Everyone refused to hire her so she got stuck becoming a porn star because she had no where to turn to.
Wrong character. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaimee_Foxworth) It was the little sister.

"It was a hard adjustment, I didn't really have any friends and people seem to think you're rich because they've seen you on TV, but actually, I wasn't. I never saw a cent of the money I'd earned on 'Family Matters. When I turned 20 my family filed for bankruptcy and a judge allowed my money from my trust fund to go toward bailing the family of out of debt. All of my money went to cover the bankruptcy. I couldn't believe it. In an instant I was dead broke.'"
"Alcohol helped. I'd do my thing for about 30 minutes, pretty much just one scene, and then the producers would cut me a check. In 30 minutes I was $15,000 richer. The money was great, but it was starting to wear on me, wear on my conscience. To be honest, I enjoyed the money more than I enjoyed the sex. But now I'm done with being Crave. I haven't done a movie in a while. It's all behind me now. I'm more religious and I'm focusing on serious acting again.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0289340/bio

And for the record Saudi Arabia has far less robberys and alcohol problems than the US, hardly uncivilised.

Yes, If I recall correctly they didn't have those problems in the neolithic period.

Also she was not "forced" to become a porn star. That's just bullshit. She could have been a grocery-bagger, or a barkeep, or many, many other forms of unskilled labor. She just decided that money was better than pride. Hell, she could've been a whore and kept her disgrace private.

If people stay on the right path, they don't have to worry about the things you mentioned.

Oh yes, "the right path". Women kept, treated and traded like livestock, given absolutely no protection from abuse from their family or anyone else for that matter, prevented from getting decent health care or education, punished, often killed, for things like, say, getting raped, or not bleeding on their wedding night.

By the way, the aforementioned, in addition to slavery, is what I like to call objectification. Legal, western sex industry doesn't even come close.

Objects are not given a choice.

Oh yes, "the right path". Women kept, treated and traded like livestock

Hey, hey, hey. Be fair, they are NOT treated like livestock. For example, you can't slaughter and eat them.


Hey, I'm "superior gamer" now!

If people stay on the right path, they don't have to worry about the things you mentioned. And for the record Saudi Arabia has far less robberys and alcohol problems than the US, hardly uncivilised.
Crime rate is irrelevant when the average citizen would be happier under anarchy then the current government.


I'm not sure if they should be my servant but they should cover up and know their place.

There you have it, folks.

Crime rate is irrelevant when the average citizen would be happier under anarchy then the current government.



Crime rate isn't irrelevant. It shows and Islamic society works and works very, very well.

There you have it, folks.

there you have what? All you did was bold my post:confused:

Crime rate isn't irrelevant. It shows and Islamic society works and works very, very well.

Ever heard of Vlad IV Dracul? Also known as Vlad Tepes, the Impaler, or even more famously as Dracula.

He was Wallachian tyrant who lived in the 15th century. There was practically no crime under his regime, mostly because his subjects, men, women, children, the elderly, were usually tortured to death even for minor offences, and often for no offence at all. Usual method of execution was slow impalement. It's estimated that he murdered about a third of his own people.

But like I said, crime was practically nonexistant, so his regime worked and worked very, very well.

there you have what? All you did was bold my post:confused:

I imagine it was the "know their place" thing.

Generally, when people say that about women, it's generally implied to mean that the person believes that women should be subservient to men, be wrapped up like mummies, and generally not hold any position of importance beyond that of wife and mother.

When someone ever says "women/racial group/ethnic group/religious group should know their place", it almost always implies that said group should be lower than the speaker.

I'm not sure if they should be my servant but they should cover up and know their place.

There you have it, folks.

there you have what? All you did was bold my post:confused:

He is pointing out that you have reaffirmed the stereotype that Islam is fundamentally misogynistic.

If people stay on the right path, they don't have to worry about the things you mentioned. And for the record Saudi Arabia has far less robberys and alcohol problems than the US, hardly uncivilised.

Ah yes, a new convert and enthusiast of the "Do as I say and no one gets hurt" morality. As for the whole robbery thing and alcohol thing, let me just say this - in Saudi Arabia, the place is a totalitarian theocracy masquerading as a monarchy. The police force is all-pervasive. And alcohol is illegal. Whole I personally don't approve of drinking alcohol, it's a bad idea to ban it for reasons I don't care to get into in this thread.

When he's getting off? You would be pretty surprised by the things that go on in a man's mind during that little event.

Trust me, it's easier if things aren't going through one's mind during that act. Shutting off my brain is the hardest part of sex for me.

Dominant/submissive porn is a euphemism for demeaning sexual behaviours. It is precisely because they are demeaning that the submissive partner enjoys them. I am not referring to forced, non-voluntary degradation.

And as long as both (or all) parties are having fun, it's all OK. If one person enjoys being degraded, be it forced to wear women's clothes or diapers, being forced to degrade themselves verbally, be restrained or silenced, being slapped or physicall punished, or what-have-you, then why is that a bad thing? It's all in good fun. It's when it's taken to the extent that it's not all in good fun that it's a problem. There's a fine line between a dominant/submissive relationship of this sort and an abusive, one-sided one. I might "punish" my wife, I might slap her around a bit, I might make her wear blindfolds and call me "master", but that doesn't mean I abuse or degrade her. I love her to death, and I know she loves me. If she wasn't cool with something, I wouldn't do it...

Crime rate isn't irrelevant. It shows and Islamic society works and works very, very well.
You missed my point.
The happiness of the citizens should be the main goal of a country.
Nothing else matters if they aren't.
But I'd like to point out that the Nazis had a low crime rate, and so did Soviet Russia.

Also, take it from wiki:Of the nations with crime rate statistics listed at NationMaster.com, Dominica leads the world in total crime per capita, with 113.822 per 1,000 people. New Zealand is second with 105.881 per 1,000 people, and Finland is third, with 101.526 per 1,000 people. Yemen has the lowest, with 1.16109 per 1,000 people. The data comes from the Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention). They also note that, "Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence." 1 Finland is listed as the least corrupt country, while New Zealand comes second.


So, if the people are scared of the govt., you will always have a low crime rate even if there is actually a lot of crime.
Another thing to point out: The point of you telling me Saudi Arabia has a low crime rate is to imply that the people in Saudi Arabia are safe.
Public floggings for drinking alcohal kinda defeats the point, doesn't it?




there you have what? All you did was bold my post:confused:

That was to point out that you have an attitude toward women that most, if not all, women will throw tomatoes at you for.
Or something like that.

What, she couldn't get work as, say, a waitress? A certified public accountant? A dog trainer? A camp counselor? Don't give me that "they had no other options" bull.

No one would hire her.

Do you have a source for any of this, other than you knowing some women who have worked in porn?

No. Just the women I know. But there was an episode on some talk show a month back where Tara Banks was interviewing some chick from Family Matters and my brother, a hip hop artist, and his friends do business with porn stars.


Do you have a source to support what you are saying that is better than the porn stars themselves?

A lot of porn is terrible. Yet, the stuff I can stand, I really enjoy. But read this essay (http://stangoff.com/?p=41)...it's a bit too far out there in the anti-porn realm, but it makes some good points about how hardcore porn is getting, and how the focus really is shifting towards humiliating women or causing them pain...it's a bit disturbing actually.

Do you have a source to support what you are saying that is better than the porn stars themselves?

A source proves something at the moment you are expecting us to take your word for it.