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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061212/wl_nm/iran_holocaust_dc

I bet the anti-semites who want to see Iran suceed will call this another mistranslation.:rolleyes:

This is the reason Israel has their nukes.

Oh just nuke the whole damn region and get it over with.

Oh just nuke the whole damn region and get it over with.

Maybe just pave it and create lots of free parking?

Oh just nuke the whole damn region and get it over with.

Not before I'll finish my degree and relocate myself to australia or canada

Not before I'll finish my degree and relocate myself to australia or canada

How long will that be?

Lets face it, the Middle East will always have problems, people will always fight with other people over the stupidest little thing, and they need to sort out their affairs.

Oh just nuke the whole damn region and get it over with.

I've been saying that all day!

No, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's days are numbered. He has single handedly made everything in Iran worse during his time in office.

Oh just nuke the whole damn region and get it over with.
Smouldering crater FTW.

Oh just nuke the whole damn region and get it over with.

Waste of a perfectly good nuke :-P The islamic states should stop bothering Israel... without an external thread, the people will realize in what a bad state their state is, but it is too late, the Israeli Government will regulate the nation to death. :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061212/wl_nm/iran_holocaust_dc

I bet the anti-semites who want to see Iran suceed will call this another mistranslation.:rolleyes:

This is the reason Israel has their nukes.

Did I misread, or did it say the Zionist regime. So taking it literally he wants and end to the government rather than the country or the people. The end of the Russian Soviet Regime did not involve the death of its citizens.

Let's not blow this up into something it isn't.

I have a great idea.

Take some of the decommissioned nuclear weapons from the US and former USSR arsenals, and recommission them.

Give them to each Arab state, and if possible, to each religious or political group within the Arab world.

And include Iran, since they're not Arabs, but want some toys, too.

Sit back, and watch them annihilate each other. Paranoia will set in with a vengeance, if history is any indicator.

This is the reason Israel has their nukes.

Or possibly that possession is what prompts these remarks.

well a tiny nation surrounded by enemies (apart from Turkey who’s too busy picking on Cyprus) won't last forever that’s not racism that common sense and seeing how the Soviet union collapsed (as is said will happen to Israel) it looks like brighter future ahead indeed :)

"Iran is your home and is the home of all freedom seekers of the world," Ahmadinejad said. "Here you can express your views and exchange opinions in a friendly, brotherly and free atmosphere."

That sounds nice...

How long will that be?

Well, if I want just BA, it'll be 2 years, but I want MA... so a little longer

"Iran is your home and is the home of all freedom seekers of the world," Ahmadinejad said. "Here you can express your views and exchange opinions in a friendly, brotherly and free atmosphere."


that explains the Internet censorship in Iran...
http://www.opennetinitiative.net/studies/iran/ONI_Country_Study_Iran.pdf

Or possibly that possession is what prompts these remarks.

Only a moron would think that.

Israel has it's nukes because Iran isn't the first country to have such rhetoric against Israel. Israel fought 5 wars in which they were attacked by their neighbors before developing their nukes. Since getting their nukes, Egypt and Jordan have signed peace treaties with Israel beause they know they will be destroyed should they put Israel on the verge of defeat.

Did I misread, or did it say the Zionist regime. So taking it literally he wants and end to the government rather than the country or the people. The end of the Russian Soviet Regime did not involve the death of its citizens.

Let's not blow this up into something it isn't.

Your kidding...right?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061212/wl_nm/iran_holocaust_dc

I bet the anti-semites who want to see Iran suceed will call this another mistranslation.:rolleyes:

This is the reason Israel has their nukes.

In fairness after the convention on the Holocaust thing I don't think he'll be given the benefit of the doubt again.

In fairness after the convention on the Holocaust thing I don't think he'll be given the benefit of the doubt again.

Well, perhaps it was because he invited a KKK member to attend...

Don't you just love how anti-semitic bastards on this forum will bend over backwards to defend terrorist regimes?

They say "oh but that was just a mistranslation" or "He really didn't mean that"

It's a tiresome act.

Oh just nuke the whole damn region and get it over with.Why do you hate the jews? :(

And IDF, there's something you missed:
"Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out," he added.
He's masking his words.

Well, perhaps it was because he invited a KKK member to attend...There's this one Arab in Nazareth that isn't allowed to go even though he considers Israel an enemy. Maybe him running a holocaust museum is why...

Only a moron would think that.

Well.. it IS what Iran has been claiming for the past 20 years or so.
And since Iran is an NPT signee while Israel is not they do have a valid point.

well a tiny nation surrounded by enemies (apart from Turkey who’s too busy picking on Cyprus) won't last forever that’s not racism that common sense and seeing how the Soviet union collapsed (as is said will happen to Israel) it looks like brighter future ahead indeed :)

"Iran is your home and is the home of all freedom seekers of the world," Ahmadinejad said. "Here you can express your views and exchange opinions in a friendly, brotherly and free atmosphere."

That sounds nice...

Uh, bullshit. Seriously. Don't even think of believing that for a second. Not a second.

Your kidding...right?

If you're going to quote him might as well do it properly. Here he specifies the regime and directly compares it to the wiping out of the Soviet regime. Anyone trying to make that into genocide is on this particular occasion wrong.

Hes only called this meeting to stir things up, I'm hoping the IAF will have a nice little operation ready next year onto the Iranian reactors....

Well, perhaps it was because he invited a KKK member to attend...

No, its because he asked every fuckwit with a half baked idea there. Plus they blocked a muslim Arab attending, who'd written a book on the Holocaust in Arabic on the grounds he was using an Israeli passport.

Hey! David Duke was invited to attend...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

Just another Stormfront kind of guy...

Nah, couldn't possibly be anti-semitic, eh?

No, its because he asked every fuckwit with a half baked idea there. Plus they blocked a muslim Arab attending, who'd written a book on the Holocaust in Arabic on the grounds he was using an Israeli passport.
I must admit, the pictures of the conference are delicious: People sleeping in their seats in hardly filled audience halls. :D

Here's what David Duke, an attendee with close ties to Stormfront and the KKK, has to say about Israel:

On November 24, 2005, Duke visited Damascus, Syria, addressing a rally which was broadcast on Syrian television, and later giving an interview. During the rally, he referred to Israel as a "war-mongering country", adding that "Washington, New York and London and many other capitals of the world" are "occupied by the Zionists."

Gee, he could be Ahmadinejad's speechwriter...

If you're going to quote him might as well do it properly. Here he specifies the regime and directly compares it to the wiping out of the Soviet regime. Anyone trying to make that into genocide is on this particular occasion wrong.

Phew and for a moment, I thought he was a genocidal maniac that wants to see the Jews dead.

I'm glad to know, all I have to do is literally take his comments by the word, and everything will be A-OK, right? =D

No...no...he's a genocidal maniac. It doesn't matter if he says "Zionist regime" and compares it to the Soviet Union, we all know what he really means. Don't kid yourself.

Don't you just love how anti-semitic bastards on this forum will bend over backwards to defend terrorist regimes?

They say "oh but that was just a mistranslation" or "He really didn't mean that"

It's a tiresome act.
So are you.

Quit with the "they say" and quote the "anti-semitic bastards on this forum will bend over backwards to defend terrorist regimes" instead. I.e., the true rule no. 1 on NS General: Back up your statements.

I'm sure you can find some, but for the love of ice cream go do that! I'm getting tired of the evasiveness, the hinting and insinuations. *sigh*
And IDF, there's something you missed:
He's masking his words.
He's good at that, good at saying something while saying something else.

Uh, bullshit. Seriously. Don't even think of believing that for a second. Not a second.

yes I know I know, but still nice thing to say

Oh just nuke the whole damn region and get it over with.

If that happens, the Jews will still always have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

"If you're going to invite the former head of the Ku Klux Klan to a conference in Tehran which disputes the millions of people who died in the Holocaust, then what further evidence do you need to have that this regime is extreme?" said Blair.

Phew and for a moment, I thought he was a genocidal maniac that wants to see the Jews dead.

I'm glad to know, all I have to do is literally take his comments by the word, and everything will be A-OK, right? =D

No...no...he's a genocidal maniac. It doesn't matter if he says "Zionist regime" and compares it to the Soviet Union, we all know what he really means. Don't kid yourself.

Ah, so if he says something that doesn't conform to your current opinion of him you can't take his words literally, but if it does you can take his words literally.:rolleyes:

For the record I'm not making a comment on him as a whole, just making the point that what he has said here is not advocating mass-killing of Jews.

He's good at that, good at saying something while saying something else.Indeed he is. That's probably why he only showed up now and added that bit about the political dimension of the big wipe.

Ah, so if he says something that doesn't conform to your current opinion of him you can't take his words literally, but if it does you can take his words literally.:rolleyes:

For the record I'm not making a comment on him as a whole, just making the point that what he has said here is not advocating mass-killing of Jews.

I guess that's why he is trying to deny the Holocuast.

GMAFB and go to the Wizard of Oz. He has something he forgot to give the Scarecrow.

It doesn't take an Einstein IQ to see what he is saying. He has consistently called for the destruction of Israel. He was a driving force behing the war this summer. It shouldn't be forgotten that Hezbollah gets its arms from Iran. Just look at the C-802 SSM they used. That isn't a typical terrorist weapon and Iran is one of the few nations with it.

Please dig your head out of the sand and look at the real world. Ahmedinejad is a psycho who will use a nuke should he get one.

What strikes me as odd is, if you were to hold a conference in say, 1952, and have a bunch of smug-looking people argue that the Holocaust didn't happen, you'd have thousands upon thousands of Allied vets frothing at the mouth to kill everyone there.

"If you're going to invite the former head of the Ku Klux Klan to a conference in Tehran which disputes the millions of people who died in the Holocaust, then what further evidence do you need to have that this regime is extreme?" said Blair.There's a bunch of people in Germany that got their passports revoked just in time for the conference :)

You mean... the man hosting a conference on Holocaust denial doesn't like Jews? :eek:

I guess that's why he is trying to deny the Holocuast.

GMAFB and go to the Wizard of Oz. He has something he forgot to give the Scarecrow.

It doesn't take an Einstein IQ to see what he is saying. He has consistently called for the destruction of Israel. He was a driving force behing the war this summer. It shouldn't be forgotten that Hezbollah gets its arms from Iran. Just look at the C-802 SSM they used. That isn't a typical terrorist weapon and Iran is one of the few nations with it.

Please dig your head out of the sand and look at the real world. Ahmedinejad is a psycho who will use a nuke should he get one.

Show me how his exact words here are advocating the genocide of Jews.

regime=/=citizens

I'm not talking about him in general, I'm merely pointing out that in this particular event, the quotes from the article cannot be taken to be advocating genocide and it would be wrong to portray them as such.

If anything then these quotes suggest that when he was referring to "Israel" in the other quote he was referring to the regime rather than the citizens.

Only a moron would think that.

Israel has it's nukes because Iran isn't the first country to have such rhetoric against Israel. Israel fought 5 wars in which they were attacked by their neighbors before developing their nukes. Since getting their nukes, Egypt and Jordan have signed peace treaties with Israel beause they know they will be destroyed should they put Israel on the verge of defeat.

Well, it had other reasons too. But it is true, if Israel hadn't shown it's neighbours that it is indeed strong and willing enough to repel every act of aggression, Jordan and Egypt would probably still in war with Israel.

Israel's economy is superiour, it has a good working civil soviety, it's military is still the strongest in the region and the majority of it's peoples are committed to their country - even if they are constantly bitching (maybe this could be the only true danger to Israel - tension within. But judging how relatively well they coped with the Gaza withdrawal, maybe this is exaggerated - no civil war)

I had the pleasure to visit Israel a couple of times, and everyone who thinks it will be destroyed or conquered just has no idea of what is going on in this region - it will simply never happen. Pipe dreams.
All Iran can do right now is support bands of terrorists, which is worse enough, but certainly no danger for Israel's existence.

You mean... the man hosting a conference on Holocaust denial doesn't like Jews? :eek:

I, for one, am shocked. Shocked, I say. :rolleyes: I always thought the Persians were such nice people, all those pretty rugs and pistachio nuts and all. The late Shah seemed like such a lovely man.

Really, kids, given the attendance at this conference, why is anyone surprised that someone said "Israel will be wiped from the map"? Seriously.

You mean... the man hosting a conference on Holocaust denial doesn't like Jews? :eek:
Oh, I see you just crawled out from under a rock too. :D

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061212/wl_nm/iran_holocaust_dc

I bet the anti-semites who want to see Iran suceed will call this another mistranslation.:rolleyes:

This is the reason Israel has their nukes.

Damn the Iranian president.

Phew and for a moment, I thought he was a genocidal maniac that wants to see the Jews dead.

I'm glad to know, all I have to do is literally take his comments by the word, and everything will be A-OK, right? =D

No...no...he's a genocidal maniac. It doesn't matter if he says "Zionist regime" and compares it to the Soviet Union, we all know what he really means. Don't kid yourself.

Well, considering that for him every Israeli is a zionist per definitionem, it's not too far fetched to see his remarks as what they are.

Just take a look at the iranian "Holocaust-caricatures" from a couple of months before. They are really quite honest about their antisemitism.

No, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's days are numbered. He has single handedly made everything in Iran worse during his time in office.

That's a true statement.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061212/wl_nm/iran_holocaust_dc

I bet the anti-semites who want to see Iran suceed will call this another mistranslation.:rolleyes:

This is the reason Israel has their nukes.

The acryonym is MAD for a reason, you know. Israel is helping to make the region a ticking time bomb. They are not entirely blameless.

Israel will not be wiped off the map. The political will and ability do not exist for such a thing to happen.

Well.. it IS what Iran has been claiming for the past 20 years or so.
And since Iran is an NPT signee while Israel is not they do have a valid point.

And the Iranians are in violation of the NPT while Israel is not!

The acryonym is MAD for a reason, you know. Israel is helping to make the region a ticking time bomb. They are not entirely blameless.

You forget the NationStates Middle East Doctrine:

1) Muslims are a singular hivemind collective of intolerance, oppression and violence.

2) Israel is a nation of humble underdogs who need protection from their enemies and thus can do no wrong, especially when aimed at the forementioned Muslim hivemind.

You forget the NationStates Middle East Doctrine:

1) Muslims are a singular hivemind collective of intolerance, oppression and violence.

2) Israel is a nation of humble underdogs who need protection from their enemies and thus can do no wrong, especially when aimed at the forementioned Muslim hivemind.

Oh yes, silly me. ;)

When taken together, the KKK Guy and the few other notables I saw attending this thing form a pack of retards that shouldn't be trusted with a firecracker, much less a real weapon.

Ahmedinejad is the only real threat, and even if he continues to pour out his rhetoric and stir shit up, I'd say Israel has very little to worry about. The only threat would be a nuclear Iran, which I doubt is going to happen.

I would put my money oin Israel, if anyone is taking bets. They're here to stay.

Is it that time of year again for the Iranian president to declare Israel's imminent demise? They arn't going to do shit, but I don't put it past Israel to pull a "preemptive" strike, probably nuclear.

Or possibly that possession is what prompts these remarks.

These sorts of remarks were being made long before Israel acquired nuclear weapons.

Is it that time of year again for the Iranian president to declare Israel's imminent demise?

His threats against Israel are seasonal? :confused:

They arn't going to do shit, but I don't put it past Israel to pull a "preemptive" strike, probably nuclear.

Israel is going to use nuclear weapons without provocation? Sounds like taking anti-Israel rheteric a little bit too far.

His threats against Israel are seasonal? :confused:

Not really, he just does a seasonal version, you know, like some breweries do up a batch of winter ale. Channukah starts on friday, and I guess he wanted to make sure all Jews everywhere got his special present. :p

Not really, he just does a seasonal version, you know, like some breweries do up a batch of winter ale. Channukah starts on friday, and I guess he wanted to make sure all Jews everywhere got his special present. :p

Bah, it's to coincide with my birthday, which, incidentally, is also on Friday.

And the Iranians are in violation of the NPT while Israel is not!

interesting how you decide what Israel can ignore and what others countries can not.....UN resolutions telling Israel to leave the Occupied Territories, ignored...blatent Geneva Convention violations, ignored, Israel is above the GC laws.... NPT, how dare those Iranians for defying the NPT destroy them!, actually I don't think Iran has done anything yet, nuclear research and power is permitted(feel free to correct me here), it's only suspected they may be developing Nukes...

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't have much power, hes mostly a mascot. The real power lies with the Ayatollahs, and they really would prefer Iran not to be nuked.

Bah, it's to coincide with my birthday, which, incidentally, is also on Friday.

No no. Its to coincide with my last 2 finals which I have on Friday.

No no. Its to coincide with my last 2 finals which I have on Friday.

*squints*

Ya wanna fight over this, *pause* punk.

Bah, it's to coincide with my birthday, which, incidentally, is also on Friday.

Wow, he must really hate you. :eek: :D

Bah, it's to coincide with my birthday, which, incidentally, is also on Friday.

Well, Happy Birthday!

Wow, he must really hate you. :eek: :D

He's been bitter ever since I beat him at Checkers, and got his peanut butter sandwich.

Well, Happy Birthday!

Thank you very much, I shall finally be 21, so my states stupid laws will finally cease to oppress me.

interesting how you decide what Israel can ignore and what others countries can not.....

Funny. Funny like a crutch. In this case, Israel can legally have nukes whereas Iran can not legally have them due to them being a signatory to the NPT. If they withdrew from it, then more power to them.

UN resolutions telling Israel to leave the Occupied Territories, ignored...

Yep.

blatent Geneva Convention violations, ignored,

Yep.

Israel is above the GC laws....

They are?

NPT, how dare those Iranians for defying the NPT destroy them!,

You violate the terms of a treaty, you should be punished for doing so. If Iran does not cooperate, they will be punished with meaningless sanctions.

actually I don't think Iran has done anything yet, nuclear research and power is permitted(feel free to correct me here),

That is true. It is permitted.

it's only suspected they may be developing Nukes...

Since the IAEA can not investigate, we'll never know.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't have much power, hes mostly a mascot. The real power lies with the Ayatollahs, and they really would prefer Iran not to be nuked.

I would hope so but sometimes one begins to wonder.

I think I saw something in the news about students in Iran protesting against Ahmadinejad. Or maybe not, I wasn't really paying that much attention.

*squints*

Ya wanna fight over this, *pause* punk.

Bring it on! Punk! :D :p

Somewhat unrelated to topic.
But what happened to the days when man and women in their prime discussed on sex, money and other assorted stuff to pass time...
I'm mean.... israel is by no mean a sexy topic to discuss... and you sure talk about it a lot...

I think I saw something in the news about students in Iran protesting against Ahmadinejad. Or maybe not, I wasn't really paying that much attention.

You did hear correctly.

Somewhat unrelated to topic.
But what happened to the days when man and women in their prime discussed on sex, money and other assorted stuff to pass time...
I'm mean.... israel is by no mean a sexy topic to discuss... and you sure talk about it a lot...

Because this is a political discussion?

Because this is a political discussion?

You could have fooled me

You did hear correctly.

Whew, I thought it was those pesky mid-life hallucinations again.

You did hear correctly.

Ahmadinejad isn't exactly the favorite of anyone who lives in cities. He's a rural populist, and he was swept into power by the discontent of the Persian breed of redneck.

He's been bitter ever since I beat him at Checkers, and got his peanut butter sandwich.

I suppose you could send him a menorah as a peace offering. :p

I suppose you could send him a menorah as a peace offering. :p

I will support that :p

Lets face it, the Middle East will always have problems, people will always fight with other people over the stupidest little thing, and they need to sort out their affairs.

We ought just leave Israel to their own devices, figure a way away from middle eastern oil, and tell the whole region to call us when they grow up enough to not blow themselves up.

I suppose you could send him a menorah as a peace offering. :p

I tried, and he wrote a letter to Angela Merkel offering to "help finish the final solution" in response.

Angie wasn't happy about that at all, put her in a rather awkward spot.

I tried, and he wrote a letter to Angela Merkel offering to "help finish the final solution" in response.

Angie wasn't happy about that at all, put her in a rather awkward spot.

Nah, he doesn't have the German pedantic need for order... he won't make it work

I tried, and he wrote a letter to Angela Merkel offering to "help finish the final solution" in response.

Angie wasn't happy about that at all, put her in a rather awkward spot.

She should spit in his eye and tell him to change the name of his country. "Iran" must bring back unpleasant memories about the past...

I guess maybe you could try giving Ahmadinejad a makeup over the sandwich you took.

http://americancandy.de/images/smuckers_goober_grape.jpg

Probably can't get this convienient mixture in Iran. :p

She should spit in his eye and tell him to change the name of his country. "Iran" must bring back unpleasant memories about the past...

I guess maybe you could try giving Ahmadinejad a makeup over the sandwich you took.

http://americancandy.de/images/smuckers_goober_grape.jpg

Probably can't get this convienient mixture in Iran. :p

Amazing. He'll love it, and when he sees that America loves it too, all of our problems will be solved!

Hey! David Duke was invited to attend...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

Just another Stormfront kind of guy...

Nah, couldn't possibly be anti-semitic, eh?

One MOAB . . . problem solved!

And taking out David Duke would be a great side-benefit :D

JC #24

Ahmadinejad isn't exactly the favorite of anyone who lives in cities. He's a rural populist, and he was swept into power by the discontent of the Persian breed of redneck.

He was "swept into power" because he's Khamanei's personal butt-monkey and every candidate even remotely opposed to the absolute rule of the mullah-crats was removed from the ballot.

Good.

You forget the NationStates Middle East Doctrine:

1) Muslims are a singular hivemind collective of intolerance, oppression and violence.

2) Israel is a nation of humble underdogs who need protection from their enemies and thus can do no wrong, especially when aimed at the forementioned Muslim hivemind.

Really looking at some of the threads I thought it was split 3 ways all about equal. One with that view, one with the opposite and the third who just wants to smack them both in the head and make them sort out their problems.

Good.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Israel is a nation of land thieves who attack innocent people. I hope Iran fucking nukes them to oblivion if they refuse to stop squatting on people's land.

Israel is a nation of land thieves who attack innocent people. I hope Iran fucking nukes them to oblivion if they refuse to stop squatting on people's land.
Yes, because all 'illegal' immigrants deserve to be killed.

Geez, it is always an Israel thing with you people? I realize there are a few deluded sorts here who think Israel's admittedly shady tactics is enough to deserve the constant suicide bombings and terrorist attacks on civilians, but that doesn't mean you always have to feed those particular trolls.

Geez, it is always an Israel thing with you people? I realize there are a few deluded sorts here who think Israel's admittedly shady tactics is enough to deserve the constant suicide bombings and terrorist attacks on civilians, but that doesn't mean you always have to feed those particular trolls.

Yeah, we know but it's like a car wreck, you can't help but look. And some people like to poke trolls with sticks, too. Go figure.

i dont think he ment as the same way as the zionists on this forum say it is.

at least iran is moving forward, with free speech that is.

Israel is a nation of land thieves who attack innocent people. I hope Iran fucking nukes them to oblivion if they refuse to stop squatting on people's land.

i think iran is too close to nuke israel. besides, nuking israel would go against the point of hating israel.

Holocaust Conference? So fucking what?

If the Holocaust is so blatantly true, the facts will make themselves known, and the deniers will be obviously wrong.

And please stop shouting "anti-Semite". I can not like Israeli policies and not give a toss about a Jew's ethnicity, or is that not allowed?

Holocaust Conference? So fucking what?

If the Holocaust is so blatantly true, the facts will make themselves known, and the deniers will be obviously wrong.

Remember this is information-restricted-by-Allah's-dudes-on-Earth Iran.

Just as Palestinian tv shows kids reciting poems of hatred towards Israel, Ahmadinejad's government restricts information on the Holocaust.

i dont think he ment as the same way as the zionists on this forum say it is.

at least iran is moving forward, with free speech that is.

Hahahahahahahahahaha! :p Free to say what?

Hahahahahahahahahaha! :p Free to say what?

a tiny bit more than they were used to.
some european countries still have the anti-deny the holocaust laws.

Remember this is information-restricted-by-Allah's-dudes-on-Earth Iran.

Just as Palestinian tv shows kids reciting poems of hatred towards Israel, Ahmadinejad's government restricts information on the Holocaust.

Just how we're denied information against the Holocaust? :)

The plot thickens, my chum.

So are you.

Quit with the "they say" and quote the "anti-semitic bastards on this forum will bend over backwards to defend terrorist regimes" instead. I.e., the true rule no. 1 on NS General: Back up your statements.

I'm sure you can find some, but for the love of ice cream go do that! I'm getting tired of the evasiveness, the hinting and insinuations. *sigh*


The problem is IDF believes that you either support Israel and everything it does... or you're an anti-semitic terrorist.

Just how we're denied information against the Holocaust? :)

The plot thickens, my chum.

pwned.
(did i use that correctly?)

Just how we're denied information against the Holocaust? :)

The plot thickens, my chum.

Not really, since even the higher levels of Nazi officials have acknowlegded the existance of a determined effort to eliminate the Jewish population and the death toll being extremely high.

The Holocaust may be seen as fiction in Iran, given that most Middle Eastern regimes blame Israel for problems that are created by those very regimes.

However, in the non-Ahmadinejad controlled world (or most of it) the Holocaust is a fact

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

pwned.
(did i use that correctly?)

Not really, in the non-Ahmadinejad controlled world, the Holocaust is a fact


Claiming that it is not has been discarded as faux mainly because it's faux.

Not really, in the non-Ahmadinejad controlled world, the Holocaust is a fact


Claiming that it is not has been discarded as faux mainly because it's faux.

thats not the point. one should be allowed to question what we are told. freedom of speech.
if people allowed doubt evolution and walk down the street, so should holocaust doubters, they are less harmful to the world.

Not really, in the non-Ahmadinejad controlled world, the Holocaust is a fact


Claiming that it is not has been discarded as faux mainly because it's faux.

How do you know it's a fact when the other side can't voice their opinion?

How do you know it's a fact when the other side can't voice their opinion?

They should voice their opinion after looking at the nazi documents, you know, the guys who actually did it, that acknowledge the mass murder of jews and other minorities. Documents that were there even before Nuremburg.


Freedom of speech is not being questioned here.

You forget the NationStates Middle East Doctrine:

1) Muslims are a singular hivemind collective of intolerance, oppression and violence.

2) Israel is a nation of humble underdogs who need protection from their enemies and thus can do no wrong, especially when aimed at the forementioned Muslim hivemind.
Is this the NationStates where "most members" are Bush supporters? ;)

If he goes to war w/ Israel, he'll regret it.

There are documents from the perpetrators that acknowledge mass murder.

They are available to you and have been recognized by experts.

You question them on what basis?

How do you know it's a fact when the other side can't voice their opinion?

Are you trying to say that the Holocaust isn't a fact? :confused:

Are you trying to say that the Holocaust isn't a fact? :confused:

i wasnt there for it, how do i know?

I've always been curious as to know why the jews were just given someone elses who was innocent for no reason at all and not germany. Can somebody give me an answer to that?

If that happens, the Jews will still always have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

And this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

And this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Fuck yeah!

i wasnt there for it, how do i know?

Wow. I always wonder how Holocaust deniers come up with their ideas. Where did yours come from?

Fuck yeah!
It's the ultimate sucide bomb and Israels way of saying
"If we can't have it NOBODY WILL!


a tiny bit more than they were used to.
some european countries still have the anti-deny the holocaust laws.

At the cost of closing newspapers, banning TV stations, Blocking internet sites, (Such as Youtube, and I'm sure even Nationstates), and killing those who have a different opinion.

Oh and they had the right to deny the holocaust for years. Or did you know that?

They 'gained' what they already have at the cost of tons of things.

a tiny bit more than they were used to.
some european countries still have the anti-deny the holocaust laws.

The trend is in the exact opposite direction over the last few years. They were opening up and now they're reverting to more fundamentalist control.

Honestly, fuck it, lets stop playin around with these bitches. Lets just fucking Nuke Iran, Syria, and anyone else who bitches about it. Terroist breeding ground? fuck it, bam, nuclear blast- gone. There is no other way. Diplomacy, Conventional war, invasion, whatever. Nuke them. Nuke them all. China has resource treaties with Iran? fuck it, nuke China too, China only has about 20 nukes. We have about 20000000000000000 nukes. Lets saturate the fucking country with radiation and laugh about it. Russia wont care, they hate China even more than we do, they only don't kill eachother because they need freinds.

Honestly, fuck it, lets stop playin around with these bitches. Lets just fucking Nuke Iran, Syria, and anyone else who bitches about it. Terroist breeding ground? fuck it, bam, nuclear blast- gone. There is no other way. Diplomacy, Conventional war, invasion, whatever. Nuke them. Nuke them all. China has resource treaties with Iran? fuck it, nuke China too, China only has about 20 nukes. We have about 20000000000000000 nukes. Lets saturate the fucking country with radiation and laugh about it. Russia wont care, they hate China even more than we do, they only don't kill eachother because they need freinds.

Other countries may not thank us for the nuclear fallout that the wind will blow into their territory. :rolleyes:

Otherwise, I'm sure at peoples most frustrated moments, simply nuking the troublesome places on Earth would make life easier on people...

Honestly, fuck it, lets stop playin around with these bitches. Lets just fucking Nuke Iran, Syria, and anyone else who bitches about it. Terroist breeding ground? fuck it, bam, nuclear blast- gone. There is no other way. Diplomacy, Conventional war, invasion, whatever. Nuke them. Nuke them all. China has resource treaties with Iran? fuck it, nuke China too, China only has about 20 nukes. We have about 20000000000000000 nukes. Lets saturate the fucking country with radiation and laugh about it. Russia wont care, they hate China even more than we do, they only don't kill eachother because they need freinds.
Yay! Genocide is fun!

Wow. I always wonder how Holocaust deniers come up with their ideas. Where did yours come from?

i was talking generally. anything i wasnt there for, i dont it happend. just basing it on what other people have told me.
the point is. people should have the right to question anything they want.

Yay! Genocide is fun!

Its not Genocide, its a nuclear holocaust. It has nothing to do with what religion or race you are. You start talking shit, you get nuked. If the world is run by this policy, there will be world peace.

i wasnt there for it, how do i know?

Funny how anyone who denies the holocaust was born years after it happened in countries that are at least 3000 miles away......

i was talking generally. anything i wasnt there for, i dont it happend. just basing it on what other people have told me.
the point is. people should have the right to question anything they want.


people should have the right to question anything they want - TRUE

a well documented, acknowledged by almost every nation in the world, historical event that still has survivors to prove it as true has the same weight as some neofascist blabbering of a world zionist conspiracy - FAUX

if you can't back your arguments with rationality, you are therefore being irrational.

i was talking generally. anything i wasnt there for, i dont it happend. just basing it on what other people have told me.
the point is. people should have the right to question anything they want.

I can't read minds you know, you said "I wasn't there". What else was I supposed to think then that you questioned the Holocaust ever happening?

Anyway, people can question whatever they want, regardless of how much evidence supports it, sure, being an idiot is perfectly legal. I suppose the testimony from the survivors was all an organized conspiracy to gain sympathy for Jews in their master Zionist plot?

People also take their anti-Semitism and put it into politics. That is very dangerous and their "questioning" will lead the world into serious jeapordy.

Its not Genocide, its a nuclear holocaust. It has nothing to do with what religion or race you are. You start talking shit, you get nuked. If the world is run by this policy, there will be world peace.
It's pretty much a given that you have peace when everyone is dead.

Israel is a nation of land thieves who attack innocent people. I hope Iran fucking nukes them to oblivion if they refuse to stop squatting on people's land.

Oh brother. Do not get me started on this crap again.

i dont think he ment as the same way as the zionists on this forum say it is.

at least iran is moving forward, with free speech that is.

And yet, they censor what their people can view on the internet. Not what I call free speech.

people should have the right to question anything they want - TRUE

a well documented, acknowledged by almost every nation in the world, historical event that still has survivors to prove it as true has the same weight as some neofascist blabbering of a world zionist conspiracy - FAUX

if you can't back your arguments with rationality, you are therefore being irrational.

i think people be able to say what ever the hell they want. deny people that leads to legistlation on ideas.
i regard the likily hood of the holocaust not being true alot higher than the likily hood that evolution isnt true. thusly, should we arrest creationists?

And yet, they censor what their people can view on the internet. Not what I call free speech.

moving forward, not perfect.

a tiny bit more than they were used to.
some european countries still have the anti-deny the holocaust laws.

Um yea that is because it was a grusome crime that everyone knows about. The facts are there that the holocaust occured and I have an autobiography of an Italian Jew who was inside Auschwitz.

It's pretty much a given that you have peace when everyone is dead.

Exactly. Exactly!

Um yea that is because it was a grusome crime that everyone knows about. The facts are there that the holocaust occured and I have an autobiography of an Italian Jew who was inside Auschwitz.

you have pieces of paper, how amazing. if i had a book written by a non-holocaust believer, which is more correct? the one with more pages?

thats not the point. one should be allowed to question what we are told. freedom of speech.

However, the Holocaust is supported by facts that were presented during the Nuremburg trials, backed up by the people that liberated the actual camps, people who found the mass graves, and so on and so forth. To say it didn't happen is to deny the greatest crime in all of human history.

if people allowed doubt evolution and walk down the street, so should holocaust doubters, they are less harmful to the world.

Except that Evolution is a theory whereas the Holocaust is a fact.

How do you know it's a fact when the other side can't voice their opinion?

How ignorant can people be? I guess very ignorant.

So yeah, the holocaust happened and it happened in Germany. So why is isreal in the middle east instead of germany?

i wasnt there for it, how do i know?

Its called Primary Documents.

However, the Holocaust is supported by facts that were presented during the Nuremburg trials, backed up by the people that liberated the actual camps, people who found the mass graves, and so on and so forth. To say it didn't happen is to deny the greatest crime in all of human history.



Except that Evolution is a theory whereas the Holocaust is a fact.

people have came up with plauseable explainations for these.

i go by evolution cause have been able to study the facts. i have yet been able to examine the eviendence for the holocaust.

Its called Primary Documents.

Show me them

Show me them

pwned!

i was talking generally. anything i wasnt there for, i dont it happend. just basing it on what other people have told me.
the point is. people should have the right to question anything they want.

Even if everything goes against what they are saying?

i think people be able to say what ever the hell they want. deny people that leads to legistlation on ideas.
i regard the likily hood of the holocaust not being true alot higher than the likily hood that evolution isnt true. thusly, should we arrest creationists?

If you make an allegation, you must have backing.

What basis is there to deny the Holocaust, i ask you?

The Germans recognized the holocaust even before the nuremburg trials, in documents that have been acknowleged by the scientific society at large.

What reason did they have to lie in correspondance prior to their downfall?

Even if everything goes against what they are saying?

free world. i can say what i like. i've given talks were giving examples, i can use maths to prove there are situations were gravity wont work. not tlaking about anti-gravity.

If you make an allegation, you must have backing.

What basis is there to deny the Holocaust, i ask you?

The Germans recognized the holocaust even before the nuremburg trials, in documents that have been acknowleged by the scientific society at large.

What reason did they have to lie in correspondance prior to their downfall?

not saying you should deny the holocaust. but should if you feel the need to.

you have pieces of paper, how amazing. if i had a book written by a non-holocaust believer, which is more correct? the one with more pages?

Since mine has historical evidence backing up what it is saying, mine does. Primary documents prove the Holocaust happened, testimony given at Nuremburg proved that the Holocaust happened, the Troops that liberated the camps and saw the mass graves and the crematoriums know that the holocaust happened.

To say that it did not happen shows how ignorant one is of history.

Its called Primary Documents.

You might as well forget it. They don't believe in no primary documents in here. You should just smear some ketchup on your face, put a checkered tablecloth on your head, and claim a war loving joo shot you when you offered him a handy brick to help him buld their "concentration camp wall"

pwned!

What sort of un-based world do you live in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_holocaust

not saying you should deny the holocaust. but should if you feel the need to.

Sure, people can say that 2+2=5. Doesn't make it true but they can certainly believe it if they want.

So yeah, the holocaust happened and it happened in Germany.

Actually, they were in Eastern Europe. Hitler did not want them in Germany.

So why is isreal in the middle east instead of germany?

Because where they are is the Jews ancestrial homeland.

Since mine has historical evidence backing up what it is saying, mine does. Primary documents prove the Holocaust happened, testimony given at Nuremburg proved that the Holocaust happened, the Troops that liberated the camps and saw the mass graves and the crematoriums know that the holocaust happened.

To say that it did not happen shows how ignorant one is of history.

circled your self. i've heard logical arguements to against what you have just said. since i wasnt there i cannot judge properly.

Sure, people can say that 2+2=5. Doesn't make it true but they can certainly believe it if they want.

yep. its not what people say or believe that bothers me. its what they do.

i wasnt there for it, how do i know?

You're definitely an anti-semite now in my book.

Any one who even considers questioning the Holocaust is without a doubt one.

Show me them

You can find them all over the net and at book stores. I do recommend Primo Levi's Survival in Auschwitz as a good place to start. It also includes a conversation with the man himself. It is about his time in Auschwitz and talks about the selections (taking people to be executed) and the type of work that he had to do while at the camp.

You can also read up on the Nuremburg trials. They are everywhere my friend.

You're definitely an anti-semite now in my book.

Any one who even considers questioning the Holocaust is without a doubt one.

and you, a zionist. hello mr.zionist. having a good day?

You're definitely an anti-semite now in my book.

Any one who even considers questioning the Holocaust is without a doubt one.

Isn't funny how people are allowed to question absolutely everything else in this world except whether or not the holocuast happened, and if it did, to what degree it occured?

However, now that we come to it, I HAVE been there. I have seen three (count em THREE) concentration camps, spoken to a large number of concentration camp survivors (my wife's grabdfather is one) and also happened to speak to one chirstian concentration camp survivor and a good number of German civilians who got to march through a camp. They were little kids back then, but I doubt that means they are having a mass halucination, do you?

It's so strange reading all these people who claim to know a lot about the history of the war, who in fact know almost nothing. It's quite easy to find the facts, and yet you go out of your way to read crackpots instead.:rolleyes:


erm...I think I noticed that someone though tthere were no concentration camps in Germany. There were a number of them. However the death camps were only outside germany. Inside Germany, you mostly saw death squads and such, and then only rarely. The real biggies were in southern Poland.

You're definitely an anti-semite now in my book.

Any one who even considers questioning the Holocaust is without a doubt one.

The Holocaust obviously happened, but it also obviously happened in Germany. Can you explain to me why then Isreal is in Palestine?

circled your self.

Prove that I circled myself.

i've heard logical arguements to against what you have just said. since i wasnt there i cannot judge properly.

Logical arguments against the Holocaust? What were they?

However, now that we come to it, I HAVE been there. I have seen three (count em THREE) concentration camps, spoken to a large number of concentration camp survivors (my wife's grabdfather is one) and also happened to speak to one chirstian concentration camp survivor and a good number of German civilians who got to march through a camp. They were little kids back then, but I doubt that means they are having a mass halucination, do you?

It's so strange reading all these people who claim to know a lot about the history of the war, who in fact know almost nothing. It's quite easy to find the facts, and yet you go out of your way to read crackpots instead.:rolleyes:

oh you beat me. i've only been to two.
i dont question the existance of the concentration camps. this thread is about if the whole thing that is given to us true.
for me this thread is about defending freedom of speech. the only right i consider valid.

The Holocaust obviously happened, but it also obviously happened in Germany. Can you explain to me why then Isreal is in Palestine?

Try Eastern Europe.

and you, a zionist. hello mr.zionist. having a good day?

Yes I'm a Zionist. By definition a Zionist is anyone who believes that Israel has a right to exist as a nation. Call me a Zionist all you want. I take it as a compliment.

Try Eastern Europe.

Fine, Germany committed the holocaust, not Palestine.

back on topic, while the whole event is distasteful it is a direct provocation of our 'freedom of speech' ideals in light of the offensive danish cartoons. sections of the west reserved the right to mock mohammed knowing it would cause offence, so they are going after our sacred lamb, the holocaust.

IDF, can you point to me where Ahmadinejad denied the holocaust happened or condoned the slaughter of Jews? Again, this whole conference stinks, but you are giving him exactly the reaction he wants. Disproportionate and missing the point.

There is enough to take him to task on without resorting to putting strawman words in his mouth.

Prove that I circled myself.
Logical arguments against the Holocaust? What were they?

look it up your self.
for me it was bits about the resources need to complete it.

Isn't funny how people are allowed to question absolutely everything else in this world except whether or not the holocuast happened, and if it did, to what degree it occured?

People can question anything, it is always amusing to see people try to go against the mountain of evidence and try to say that water isn't wet. One can question the Holocaust but they are either a moron or a anti-Semite, or more likely, both. Irrational hatred for Jews can be the only possible reason I can think of for people to honestly believe that the horrors of the camps never occured or were exaggerated. Boggles the mind.

The Holocaust obviously happened, but it also obviously happened in Germany. Can you explain to me why then Isreal is in Palestine?

Because the Jews began purshasing large amounts of land in the mid to late 19th century. The Jews tried to live on the land peacefully under Arab rule but were continously attacked by Arab gangs.

When the Mufti (who was an SS Officer) came to power, it was decided that there was no way the Jews could live under Arab rule in a single state so they began asking for partition. The first deal was the very fair Peel Commission. The Arabs rejected it and continued to attack Jews.

The Jews got a much more fair deal following WWII and they used it to establish Israel That's the very condensed history.

Yes I'm a Zionist. By definition a Zionist is anyone who believes that Israel has a right to exist as a nation. Call me a Zionist all you want. I take it as a compliment.

you should check out jews united against israel. to prove to you that not every anti-israeli is an anti-semite.

Fine, Germany committed the holocaust, not Palestine.

Indeed but where Israel is is also their ancestrial homeland. They just returned to it.

you should check out jews united against israel. to prove to you that not every anti-israeli is an anti-semite.

A great number of anti-zionists such as yourself do remain anti-semites.

look it up your self.

You said I circled myself. Now prove it or admit you were wrong.

for me it was bits about the resources need to complete it.

And they were?

Indeed but where Israel is is also their ancestrial homeland. They just returned to it.

And in the process, occupy and oppress a people who have done nothing to them.

If I was Lex Luthor, I'd be buying up all the real estate along the Jordanian border.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/before_after.jpg

Be seeing you at Casa Del Lex...

Because the Jews began purshasing large amounts of land in the mid to late 19th century. The Jews tried to live on the land peacefully under Arab rule but were continously attacked by Arab gangs.

When the Mufti (who was an SS Officer) came to power, it was decided that there was no way the Jews could live under Arab rule in a single state so they began asking for partition. The first deal was the very fair Peel Commission. The Arabs rejected it and continued to attack Jews.

The Jews got a much more fair deal following WWII and they used it to establish Israel That's the very condensed history.

irrelevent. back to other thread. not starting this again. 7% isnt considered to be large amounts.

People can question anything, it is always amusing to see people try to go against the mountain of evidence and try to say that water isn't wet. One can question the Holocaust but they are either a moron or a anti-Semite, or more likely, both. Irrational hatred for Jews can be the only possible reason I can think of for people to honestly believe that the horrors of the camps never occured or were exaggerated. Boggles the mind.

I think what Gorais is clumsily saying is that people are entitled to read about, probe orthadoxies, ask questions about any major world event. but to do so about the holocaust is taboo. why?

now, of course revisionist nazis and cranks will try to make a point of muddying the waters and they should be exposed. but why does any honest attempt to independently analyse one of histories most sinister periods lead to such extreme reactions. - not that the tehran conference is that honest attempt for the record


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A great number of anti-zionists such as yourself do remain anti-semites.

exactly my point. mods, if every time someone labels another poster anti-semetic in such a reckless fashion got banned for 24 hours, they might save the label for when its appropriate and stop crying wolf?

You said I circled myself. Now prove it or admit you were wrong.

And they were?

you said something, i said something then you repeat it. i hate repeating debates.

Indeed but where Israel is is also their ancestrial homeland. They just returned to it.

I'm not sure that we can base a decision like that off of a book that some guys wrote 2000 years ago. No offense to religious people but i don't think that we can use the word of people that we have no knowledge of to make decisions like displacing millions of people.

And in the process, occupy and oppress a people who have done nothing to them.

Except invading their territory three times and using suicide bombers to blow up innocent men, women, and children which in turn caused the IDF to crack down on such incidents.

The Holocaust obviously happened, but it also obviously happened in Germany. Can you explain to me why then Isreal is in Palestine?

Happened mostly in Poland and other Eastern European countries but regardless Israel is where it is because while the Allies wouldn't massacre them, they really didn't care for Jews either. Putting them where Israel is now is getting them away from Europe and putting them with the Arabs, who they really didn't care for either.

A great number of anti-zionists such as yourself do remain anti-semites.

i'm not an anti-semite. i dont have alot of jewish friends but i've never given anyone stick for being one. nor do i promote the idea of abusing someone for being jewish.

oh you beat me. i've only been to two.
i dont question the existance of the concentration camps. this thread is about if the whole thing that is given to us true.
for me this thread is about defending freedom of speech. the only right i consider valid.

Then why did you ignore everyone telling you on how Iran has started censoring everything, while they've been allowed to deny the Holocaust for years. Iran has been free to deny the holocaust for years, yet it was only very recently that they started banning stuff right and left.


Free speech is moving BACKWARDS in Iran.

you said something, i said something then you repeat it. i hate repeating debates.

I'm asking you to prove that I circled myself. By failing to do so, you just proved that I did not circle myself. You are also not telling me what resources you are using to question that the horrors of the holocaust either did not happen or were exaggerated.

Either prove them or back down. The choice is yours.

I think what Gorais is clumsily saying is that people are entitled to read about, probe orthadoxies, ask questions about any major world event. but to do so about the holocaust is taboo. why?


bingo. freedom of speech rocks!

oh you beat me. i've only been to two.
i dont question the existance of the concentration camps. this thread is about if the whole thing that is given to us true.
for me this thread is about defending freedom of speech. the only right i consider valid.

Really? which ones? I went to Birkenau and Monowitz, and Treblinka. And if you have been to the camps, you have also seen the pictures they had tehre pf corpses stacked twnety high, and the rgaves with feet an dhands sticking out of them, as well as the ash pits. How te hell could you support or believe it was any less tha it was? Particulalry with the number of allied troops who saw them, the number of survivors who talk about it, and the German civilians who survived? There is primary documentation here in La, inculding the paper Hitler signed to begin deportations, and then the genocide. Not sure how it can be...disputed.

I'm not sure that we can base a decision like that off of a book that some guys wrote 2000 years ago. No offense to religious people but i don't think that we can use the word of people that we have no knowledge of to make decisions like displacing millions of people.

Actually, archeology is showing that the jews where there and that it is their ancestrial homeland.

I'm asking you to prove that I circled myself. By failing to do so, you just proved that I did not circle myself. You are also not telling me what resources you are using to question that the horrors of the holocaust either did not happen or were exaggerated.

Either prove them or back down. The choice is yours.

Really? which ones? I went to Birkenau and Monowitz, and Treblinka. And if you have been to the camps, you have also seen the pictures they had tehre pf corpses stacked twnety high, and the rgaves with feet an dhands sticking out of them, as well as the ash pits. How te hell could you support or believe it was any less tha it was? Particulalry with the number of allied troops who saw them, the number of survivors who talk about it, and the German civilians who survived? There is primary documentation here in La, inculding the paper Hitler signed to begin deportations, and then the genocide. Not sure how it can be...disputed.

you are taking him too literally. i dont for a second believe he actually questions whether the holocaust happened

he is making the point that he believes he is entitled to question whether it did. he could phrase it better, but why is 'free speech' suspended on this issue?

Happened mostly in Poland and other Eastern European countries but regardless Israel is where it is because while the Allies wouldn't massacre them, they really didn't care for Jews either. Putting them where Israel is now is getting them away from Europe and putting them with the Arabs, who they really didn't care for either.

So basically, Israel was made for all of the wrong reasons. There is really no reason for the Palestinians to lose their homes. Groups have been persecuted throughout history. They don't get their own countries at the expense of others for no reason at all. Israel's location only creates more death and destruction. Israel was a mistake.

bingo. freedom of speech rocks!

haha:p

Since mine has historical evidence backing up what it is saying, mine does. Primary documents prove the Holocaust happened, testimony given at Nuremburg proved that the Holocaust happened, the Troops that liberated the camps and saw the mass graves and the crematoriums know that the holocaust happened.


is the same as this.
dont know how to multiquote. sorry.

bingo. freedom of speech rocks!
Quit ignoring me and defend yourself coward!

And in the process, occupy and oppress a people who have done nothing to them.

It was the Palestinians and the Jews Arab neighbors who invaded in '48. If that didn't happen this whole question of oppression would not be happening.

I think what Gorais is clumsily saying is that people are entitled to read about, probe orthadoxies, ask questions about any major world event. but to do so about the holocaust is taboo. why?

now, of course revisionist nazis and cranks will try to make a point of muddying the waters and they should be exposed. but why does any honest attempt to independently analyse one of histories most sinister periods lead to such extreme reactions.

I agree that people should be able to say whatever they like but that doesn't stop me for calling them stupid. Going against all that evidence and trying to say it is all false? I fail to see how it can be anything but anti-Semitic or just some poor kid who was duped by anti-Semitic propaganda. Even if so called "intellectuals" try to hide behind a Phd and proclaim this garbage, it doesn't make them any less of a fool either. How one can question the statements of the survivors and the evidence of the camps themselves is beyond me.

Still, like Gorias says they can still believe it if they wish. I just hope they don't gain any political power in the U.S.

However, the Holocaust is supported by facts that were presented during the Nuremburg trials, backed up by the people that liberated the actual camps, people who found the mass graves, and so on and so forth. To say it didn't happen is to deny the greatest crime in all of human history.


same as this.

he is not denying the holocaust per say. he is making the point that he believes he is entitled to. he could phrase it better, but why is 'free speech' suspended on this issue?

I never said it was in reality. :D

Actually, archeology is showing that the jews where there and that it is their ancestrial homeland.

And b/c your ancestors were there thousands of years ago gives you a right to a land why? By my calculations, every palestinian that was there was there before any israeli that is there now.

oh I have no problem with you making a "claim" as long as when I dump a thousand pounds of data in your lap proving that you are wrong, that you shut the fuck up. Which most anti semites refuse to do, because they don't actually have a reason for hating joos, they just want to.
Arguing when you have lost the argument isn't very rational or conducive to allowing people to believe you don't have an agenda.

Freedom of speech is regulated.

You wouldn't like your children watching a beheading when they're five, do you?

The Holocaust is a special circumstance, that is why free speech must be regulated when it comes to it, for the good of minorities.

is the same as this.
dont know how to multiquote. sorry.

That's because you can't prove that I circled myself because I didn't.

I still think it's Lex Luthor who's really behind this scheme to move the coastline eastward to Jordan, guys.

So basically, Israel was made for all of the wrong reasons. There is really no reason for the Palestinians to lose their homes. Groups have been persecuted throughout history. They don't get their own countries at the expense of others for no reason at all. Israel's location only creates more death and destruction. Israel was a mistake.

bad mistake. the zionist are going to try unload you some bollocks pretending that you mentioned 1948, when you didnt. even though the problem arrose 80 years before that. they dont listen.

I'm not sure that we can base a decision like that off of a book that some guys wrote 2000 years ago. No offense to religious people but i don't think that we can use the word of people that we have no knowledge of to make decisions like displacing millions of people.

Millions? There were hardly millions of people in Israel when it was created.

So basically, Israel was made for all of the wrong reasons. There is really no reason for the Palestinians to lose their homes. Groups have been persecuted throughout history. They don't get their own countries at the expense of others for no reason at all. Israel's location only creates more death and destruction. Israel was a mistake.

That was part of the reason but the Jews already had a large minority population at the end of WWII and wanted a state there. Further a sense of guilt of letting the massacre happen led to the state being created. Politics certainly came into it but that doesn't make creating the state there any less right. The Palestinians, as I have said many times before, were also getting their own state, which they never had under the Ottomans or British but desided to throw it away. Hardly the Jews fault.

That's because you can't prove that I circled myself because I didn't.

i couldnt multiqoute. sorry. but i post two posts of yours to me ment the same. thus is what i called circlig. i hate pointless repetition. like this.

Freedom of speech is regulated.

You wouldn't like your children watching a beheading when they're five, do you?

The Holocaust is a special circumstance, that is why free speech must be regulated when it comes to it, for the good of minorities.

totally agree, just pointing out some good old fashioned hypocricy. all those getting their knickers in a twist over this conference probably ranted about the right of the danish cartoonists.

but there should be a distinction made between revisionist historians with an agends and asking for proof. IDF shouting anti-semitism everytime he is disagreed with is unacceptible.

same as this.

Same as what?

bad mistake. the zionist are going to try unload you some bollocks pretending that you mentioned 1948, when you didnt. even though the problem arrose 80 years before that. they dont listen.

Eh? I know of the Arab revolts in 1927 (or was it 28).

What happened in 1868?

Eh? I know of the Arab revolts in 1927 (or was it 28).

What happened in 1868?

the jews(not israelis) started moving there about 1870-80. i consider that the start of the problem. dam it i'm feeding the troll.

And b/c your ancestors were there thousands of years ago gives you a right to a land why? By my calculations, every palestinian that was there was there before any israeli that is there now.

Actually, no that is not true. The Cananites were there before the Israelites came. After the Israelites entered the region did the arabs show up. Therefore, the Jews were actually there before the arabs were and the Cananites where there before the Jews where.

Actually, no that is not true. The Cananites were there before the Israelites came. After the Israelites entered the region did the arabs show up. Therefore, the Jews were actually there before the arabs were and the Cananites where there before the Jews where.

as a celt am i entitled to reclaim some land in my ancestorial roots in the south of france?

"sorry prince ranier, my land now. the brits oppresed my family a few years back"

all ancient ethnic groups moved. often.

the jews(not israelis) started moving there about 1870-80. i consider that the start of the problem. dam it i'm feeding the troll.

Ahh but was there much in the way of fighting?

i couldnt multiqoute. sorry. but i post two posts of yours to me ment the same. thus is what i called circlig. i hate pointless repetition. like this.

No its not called circular reasoning. Its called repeating facts that you seem to have been ignoring.

Actually, no that is not true. The Cananites were there before the Israelites came. After the Israelites entered the region did the arabs show up. Therefore, the Jews were actually there before the arabs were and the Cananites where there before the Jews where.

I'm talking living Israelis and Palestinians. I don't believe that just b/c your very distant ancestor did something that you should be entitled to anything.

as a celt am i entitled to reclaim some land in my ancestorial roots in the south of france?

"sorry prince ranier, my land now. the brits oppresed my family a few years back"

all ancient ethnic groups moved. often.

same page as you. but i'm claiming germany. you can have south of france
the return of the celtic empire! fuck you zionists!

Freedom of speech is regulated.

You wouldn't like your children watching a beheading when they're five, do you?

The Holocaust is a special circumstance, that is why free speech must be regulated when it comes to it, for the good of minorities.

If the beheading is on a public channel then yes they may see it. If it is on a private channel the company can decide...

No its not called circular reasoning. Its called repeating facts that you seem to have been ignoring.

i answered your question awhile ago. reply on that and dont waste my time.

as a celt am i entitled to reclaim some land in my ancestorial roots in the south of france?

Why not.

all ancient ethnic groups moved. often.

Except that the Jews were forced to move by the Roman Empire. However, not all jews left. They still do have a valid claim to their ancestrial homeland.

The Palestinians, as I have said many times before, were also getting their own state, which they never had under the Ottomans or British but desided to throw it away. Hardly the Jews fault.

I wouldn't say that they were getting their own state. I would say they were getting the state that they already had cut in half. That is violating its sovereignty. They didn't decide to throw it away. If the U.N. decided to give the indians half of the U.S. you know that you would fight also.

I'm talking living Israelis and Palestinians. I don't believe that just b/c your very distant ancestor did something that you should be entitled to anything.

Actually, for the people of the Middle East (including jews) it makes a big difference. They do believe that if your distant ancestor did something, that you should be entitled to it regardless of how long ago it was.

i answered your question awhile ago. reply on that and dont waste my time.
WRONG!!

Just a note on the fucktard in Tehran's speech. He says Zionist instead of Jew for a reason. It's the same reason that posters like Soviestan use it. Everyone knows without a doubt Soviestan is an anti-semite. Despite that fact, he uses the term "Zionist" because he knows if he replaced that word with "Jew" that his opinions and words would be ignored because he would be admitting he's an anti-semite.

Ahmedinijad says Zionist because if he said "Jew" he'd be throwing away any chance he has of getting support. The instant he is on record of supporting genocide, sanctions will be put on his nation. It seems that his masking attempts are successful as some people on this board who are either really naive or just have their heads in the sand buy his crap.

i couldnt multiqoute. sorry. but i post two posts of yours to me ment the same. thus is what i called circlig. i hate pointless repetition. like this.

Hit the button with the "" next to the "quote" button. That is multi-quote.

the jews(not israelis) started moving there about 1870-80. i consider that the start of the problem. dam it i'm feeding the troll.

There was always a small minority living there, but once they started moving there I don't see why they shouldn't try to get politically active in their new home.

as a celt am i entitled to reclaim some land in my ancestorial roots in the south of france?

"sorry prince ranier, my land now. the brits oppresed my family a few years back"

all ancient ethnic groups moved. often.

I'm sure the Celts haven't faced oppression for two thousand years. Other ethnic groups have successfully relocated in other locations but the Jews have not, only faced hostility. And after what happened in WWII it would only be right to give them a state. Since they wanted it in their ancestoral home...

*shrug*

Why not? Both groups (Jews and Palestinians) would receive a state, everyone is happy.

They still do have a valid claim to their ancestrial homeland.

Who decides how far back your ancestrial homeland goes back. If you go back far enough everybody has the same ancestrial homeland. Who gets that? Why don't we go back to when arabs ruled much of Europe. Nobody in Europe deserves their countries b/c the arabs were there at one point or another.

i answered your question awhile ago. reply on that and dont waste my time.

I have replied to it, several times. You just did not like my answer. That's ok. Its hard to accept reality.

Just a note on the fucktard in Tehran's speech. He says Zionist instead of Jew for a reason. It's the same reason that posters like Soviestan use it. Everyone knows without a doubt Soviestan is an anti-semite. Despite that fact, he uses the term "Zionist" because he knows if he replaced that word with "Jew" that his opinions and words would be ignored because he would be admitting he's an anti-semite.

Ahmedinijad says Zionist because if he said "Jew" he'd be throwing away any chance he has of getting support. The instant he is on record of supporting genocide, sanctions will be put on his nation. It seems that his masking attempts are successful as some people on this board who are either really naive or just have their heads in the sand buy his crap.

Lucky thing not every Jew is a Zionist then, eh?

And you're luckier still to have a bead on other people's higher-brain functions, there Mentallo. Do you perform at dinner-parties?

Why not.

Why not? Fucking reality, thats why. Im entitled to remove some frenchie off his land because someone from my tribe migrated north 8,000 years ago?



Except that the Jews were forced to move by the Roman Empire. However, not all jews left. They still do have a valid claim to their ancestrial homeland.

No they dont. A returning Austrian Jew after he was sprung from Belsen in 1945 getting his house back is one thing, but property rights and 2,000 years of staying there supercede any vague historical claim. I can convert and get free land? Away and shite.

Just a note on the fucktard in Tehran's speech. He says Zionist instead of Jew for a reason. It's the same reason that posters like Soviestan use it. Everyone knows without a doubt Soviestan is an anti-semite. Despite that fact, he uses the term "Zionist" because he knows if he replaced that word with "Jew" that his opinions and words would be ignored because he would be admitting he's an anti-semite.

Ahmedinijad says Zionist because if he said "Jew" he'd be throwing away any chance he has of getting support. The instant he is on record of supporting genocide, sanctions will be put on his nation. It seems that his masking attempts are successful as some people on this board who are either really naive or just have their heads in the sand buy his crap.

Are you saying that Zionist=Jew. B/c is most certainly doesn't. There are rabbi's who are vehemently against zionism.

I wouldn't say that they were getting their own state. I would say they were getting the state that they already had cut in half. That is violating its sovereignty. They didn't decide to throw it away. If the U.N. decided to give the indians half of the U.S. you know that you would fight also.

Kinda hard to violate the soveriegnty of a nation that did not and never existed to begin with.

Lucky thing not every Jew is a Zionist then, eh?

And you're luckier still to have a bead on other people's higher-brain functions, there Mentallo. Do you perform at dinner-parties?

If you're going to sit here and claim that the fucktard in Tehran doesn't plan on wiping the Jews out, then you really are naive.

Are you saying that Zionist=Jew. B/c is most certainly doesn't. There are rabbi's who are vehemently against zionism.

Yes, because they are fundi extremists who sit on their asses and expect G-d to do everything for them.

Yes, because they are fundi extremists who sit on their asses and expect G-d to do everything for them.

Really, b/c begging for somebody else's land is really going out there and doing things on you own. Israel is just another non-secular state that is contributing to religious violence. I really don't see why a religion needs its own country.

Just a note on the fucktard in Tehran's speech. He says Zionist instead of Jew for a reason. It's the same reason that posters like Soviestan use it. Everyone knows without a doubt Soviestan is an anti-semite. Despite that fact, he uses the term "Zionist" because he knows if he replaced that word with "Jew" that his opinions and words would be ignored because he would be admitting he's an anti-semite.

Ahmedinijad says Zionist because if he said "Jew" he'd be throwing away any chance he has of getting support. The instant he is on record of supporting genocide, sanctions will be put on his nation. It seems that his masking attempts are successful as some people on this board who are either really naive or just have their heads in the sand buy his crap.

no-one is buying his crap, we are asking why we cant disagree with your interpretation of this 'conference' without being labelled anti-semetic?

let them have their conference, its a challenge to our western values of free speech, nothing else.

for the record, are the jews participating anti-semites too?

If you're going to sit here and claim that the fucktard in Tehran doesn't plan on wiping the Jews out, then you really are naive.

again, a hugely simplistic view. what has he done to 'wipe jews out'? you are being intellectually extremely dishonest by so flippantly equate criticism of israel with a hatred of jews.

I wouldn't say that they were getting their own state. I would say they were getting the state that they already had cut in half. That is violating its sovereignty. They didn't decide to throw it away. If the U.N. decided to give the indians half of the U.S. you know that you would fight also.

They didn't have anything, they were under British control. And I really don't see the relation to America and the native americans. They were hardly any kind of sizable minority to be worth giving any large number of lands. The Jews meanwhile, were. And the guilt factor is an unavoidable factor. Besides, the tensions going on there required the establishment of two states, the squabbles proved it. Drawing lines in the sand was the best option.

If you're going to sit here and claim that the fucktard in Tehran doesn't plan on wiping the Jews out, then you really are naive.

And if you're going to sit there in Chicago and tell me that you're going to swallow - hook, line and sinker - something Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told delegates at an international conference questioning the Holocaust seriously, you're so effing gullible I'm tempted to try to sell you a time-share at 'Casa Del Lex'.

Wake up.

Really, b/c begging for somebody else's land is really going out there and doing things on you own. Israel is just another non-secular state that is contributing to religious violence. I really don't see why a religion needs its own country.

Israel is a secular state. I suppose there are a lot of secularists states that let Gays marry, elect female prime-ministers and have a majority of their population not observe religious holidays. (80% of the Jews who live there consider themselves secularists)

It isn't a country for a religion. It's a country for a people that get abused by the majority whenever they are the minority.

Does taht come with the hot tub and vibrating bed?

*looks at bank acount*

And if you're going to sit there in Chicago and tell me that you're going to swallow - hook, line and sinker - something Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told delegates at an international conference questioning the Holocaust seriously, you're so effing gullible I'm tempted to try to sell you a time-share at 'Casa Del Lex'.

Wake up.

If that fucker is all talk, then why did he arm Hezbollah for the war over the summer? That seems like a pretty big step.

Also, why does he have a nuclear program and threaten to destroy Israel while making it?

If that fucker is all talk, then why did he arm Hezbollah for the war over the summer? That seems like a pretty big step.

Also, why does he have a nuclear program and threaten to destroy Israel while making it?

did he?

does he?

and did he?

so you say. others disagree. and they dont because they hate jews. they just disagree

Yes, because they are fundi extremists who sit on their asses and expect G-d to do everything for them.

I would say that some Jews do not care for the politics of Israel. The state is hardly perfect, you know. The idea of a "Greater Israel" gives more trouble then it is worth and perhaps if Israel abandoned it there would be less for wackos like the one in Iran to try to use to their advantage.

Just a note on the fucktard in Tehran's speech. He says Zionist instead of Jew for a reason. It's the same reason that posters like Soviestan use it. Everyone knows without a doubt Soviestan is an anti-semite. Despite that fact, he uses the term "Zionist" because he knows if he replaced that word with "Jew" that his opinions and words would be ignored because he would be admitting he's an anti-semite.

Ahmedinijad says Zionist because if he said "Jew" he'd be throwing away any chance he has of getting support. The instant he is on record of supporting genocide, sanctions will be put on his nation. It seems that his masking attempts are successful as some people on this board who are either really naive or just have their heads in the sand buy his crap.

I don't think most on here would consider me to be an anti-semite. The only jews I have a problem with are those in Israel and those who support Israel.

If that fucker is all talk, then why did he arm Hezbollah for the war over the summer? That seems like a pretty big step.

Also, why does he have a nuclear program and threaten to destroy Israel while making it?
Why are you so uninformed? That seems like a more pertinent question.

I'm not even gonna bother trotting out the fact that there's more than one nationality that can lay claim to calling itself 'Semitic'. Oops.

Why are you so uninformed? That seems like a more pertinent question.

I suppose C-802 SSMs are part of a terrorist group's normal arsenal:rolleyes:

Iran is one of the few nations that has them. (I sincerely doubt China would sell them to to Hezbollah)

Location: facing Mecca 5x a day

like a good little product of muslim education. NO wonder you hate Israel. Yo can't get to heaven of you don't kill a joo. (that was meant semi jokingly) Dude, Israel IS. DEal with it and think about the thousands of people dying simply to be stubborn. The Jews deserve a place like everybody else. THey asked for a freaking desert, remade it into a place people could live, and the arab countries have never done anythng but use the Palestinians as pawns.

I'm not even gonna bother trotting out the fact that there's more than one nationality that can lay claim to calling itself 'Semitic'. Oops.

That's true, but the term anti-semitic refers specifically to the Jews.

For some reason Dictionary.com's servers are running really slow so I can't link to there, but if you can get on there, they will tell you the same thing

For some reason Dictionary.com's servers are running really slow so I can't link to there, but if you can get on there, they will tell you the same thing

What, that their servers are running slow?

*drum-kick*

I don't think most on here would consider me to be an anti-semite. The only jews I have a problem with are those in Israel and those who support Israel.

A Jew simply living in Israel automatically means they are put on your shit list, eh? Despite any arguements for the legality of the creation of Israel now new generations have been born there. It is their home now, you will have to deal.

like a good little product of muslim education. NO wonder you hate Israel. Yo can't get to heaven of you don't kill a joo. (that was meant semi jokingly) Dude, Israel IS. DEal with it and think about the thousands of people dying simply to be stubborn. The Jews deserve a place like everybody else. THey asked for a freaking desert, remade it into a place people could live, and the arab countries have never done anythng but use the Palestinians as pawns.

Please spell correctly and DO SOME RESEARCH.

What, that their servers are running slow?

*drum-kick*

Nice dodge there

Why don't you check out their definition of anti-semite? You might actually educate that organ in your skull known as your brain.

A Jew simply living in Israel automatically means they are put on your shit list, eh? Despite any arguements for the legality of the creation of Israel now new generations have been born there. It is their home now, you will have to deal.

Yeah? Well my bloodline has existed in North America for over 200 years, but that don't mean shit to an aboriginal North American. Just ask Neesika.

So how's that supposed to work, then?

like a good little product of muslim education. NO wonder you hate Israel. Yo can't get to heaven of you don't kill a joo. (that was meant semi jokingly)

If you have something against Muslims just come out and say it

Dude, Israel IS. DEal with it and think about the thousands of people dying simply to be stubborn.
to accept the situation as it is today is to surrender in the face of aggression by the zionists.

The Jews deserve a place like everybody else.

No they don't. At least not in Palestine.

arab countries have never done anythng but use the Palestinians as pawns.
said but somewhat true

like a good little product of muslim education. NO wonder you hate Israel. Yo can't get to heaven of you don't kill a joo. (that was meant semi jokingly) Dude, Israel IS. DEal with it and think about the thousands of people dying simply to be stubborn. The Jews deserve a place like everybody else. THey asked for a freaking desert, remade it into a place people could live, and the arab countries have never done anythng but use the Palestinians as pawns.

OOOOO!!! Some now you're saying all muslims are racist??:confused: Shut up before you get shot by someone.

Please spell correctly .

tell you what: you find a drug that removes dyslexia and means I don't have to spell check every 30 seconds and I will spell correctly. I know how to spell, I just don't care to spend 45 minutes on each post trying to get it right.

and DO SOME RESEARCH

yeah, riiiight.