NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok, so in another thread a debate about Nazism and the evils of it arose, and since it was not proper for that thread, I've decided to start a new thread to bring that discussion into here.

The Fourth Holy Reich:

Yes I was talking about the t-4 Euthanasia program, how was that justifiable?

Also, do you realize that not only Jews were killed in the camps right?

Also, have you see the footage of the camps themselves, how can you support a regime that did this?!

Yes I was talking about the t-4 Euthanasia program, how was that justifiable?

The T-4 Euthanasia program wasn't part of the holocaust. Also, even the majority of NAZIs didn't agree with it. It was a very controversial program that was eventually stopped because the masses didn't like it.

The T-4 Euthanasia program can't really be used to undermine the actual NAZI philosophy. Even most NAZIs didn't agree with it.

Also, do you realize that not only Jews were killed in the camps right?

I am perfectly aware of that, and that's part of the reason I say it wasn't a genocide. Sure, Jews (whom I don't consider a race) were executed, but so were homosexuals, POWs, gypsies, and various others.

As far as I am concerned, it was a legally sanctioned internment and execution of enemies of the State.

Also, have you see the footage of the camps themselves, how can you support a regime that did this?!

Is that an appeal to pity?

He can support it because he knows jack about the regime itself.

We have a person who supports the Nazi regime on this board?

Nazism is the idea that you have more of a right to live than me because of some factors no one has control over. All you have to be is Aryan! It doesn't matter how attractive, smart, or acomplished the Jews/homosexuals/bolsheviks are, you're an Aryan, so you're better.

That's the mentality. That is why Nazism is evil.

Now did that post make any sense?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12037536&postcount=78

He can support it because he knows jack about the regime itself.

I repeat: Of what part of the regime itself do you claim that I am ignorant?

As far as I am concerned, it was a legally sanctioned internment and execution of enemies of the State.

Just like the Japanese in the US and Native Americans now.


Is that an appeal to pity?

How do it know?

The fact that it is 100% a lie, nothing more than an institutionalized cult. Do you realize that Hitler believed in Atlantis? That he believed the world was hollow and that we were living on the outside whereas the 10-foot-tall super-aryans from the star system Aldebaran were living on the inside?

This is a really piss poor Ad Hominem abusive.

Hitler's belief in Atlantis and 10-foot-tall-super-aryans from the star system Aldebaran, and the so called Nazi_mysticism have absolutely nothing to do with the NAZI political ideaology.

Just like the Japanese in the US and Native Americans now.

Precisely.

i this true about them killing catholics?
because thats fucked up.
hitler came from a catholic family. went around germany singing at catholic fairs.
when a young man, join an anti-protestant group. this was around a time when hitler made statements like "the anti-semetic newspapers are not worthy of a city like vienna".
then in mein kampf he said, "germany is catholic" also, "all catholic countries are german, like ireland and poland."

excact wording may not be perfect but just about right. trust me, when i was younger a had an unhealthy obsession with hitler.

so can someone source me with this killing catholics thing, cause i've to consentration camps and they didnt mention it.

The T-4 Euthanasia program wasn't part of the holocaust. Also, even the majority of NAZIs didn't agree with it. It was a very controversial program that was eventually stopped because the masses didn't like it.

The T-4 Euthanasia program can't really be used to undermine the actual NAZI philosophy. Even most NAZIs didn't agree with it.



I am perfectly aware of that, and that's part of the reason I say it wasn't a genocide. Sure, Jews (whom I don't consider a race) were executed, but so were homosexuals, POWs, gypsies, and various others.

As far as I am concerned, it was a legally sanctioned internment and execution of enemies of the State.



Is that an appeal to pity?

State: the people who claim to have authority over people's lives. The people who screw with people's lives. Just because somethings legal doesn't make it right.

If that makes me an enemy of the Nazi state, than so be it: the Nazi state is an enemy of the individual.

Precisely.

So therefore it cannot ever be questioned. Ever.

Or we tap your phones.

Sorry. Er, protect your freedom.

I repeat: Of what part of the regime itself do you claim that I am ignorant?

I told you that you know nothing about the regime. You may know aspects of it, but you do not know much about it. As I said, take a class on it and learn more about Hitler before you support him.

Nazism is the idea that you have more of a right to live than me because of some factors no one has control over.

That is a straw man argument. NAZIism is not that simple. NAZIism is a very complicated political ideaology that encompasses a variety of concepts ranging from corparitist economies, anti semitism, white nationalism, etc.

That said, I don't consider such an ideal that bad. If I have to choose between me surviving and you surviving, you'd better believe I'm looking out for number 1, and that's ultimately what the NAZI race ideaology is all about.

I don't think that all Asians should die, but if the interests of the Aryan race conflict with the Asian interests, then clearly, I am looking out for the Aryan race's interests first.

I told you that you know nothing about the regime.

Unless you can show that I indeed know nothing (and I do), then your statement is false. Back up your statements or stfu.

well considering Hitler passed on his own self hated to certain groups (getting off being urinated on will do that to you). you can hardly call his policies sane

never mind the fact that in the end the Germans themselves where unfit for the Nazi cause in the end and thus you can hardly go about claiming white supremacy

i this true about them killing catholics?
because thats fucked up.
hitler came from a catholic family. went around germany singing at catholic fairs.
when a young man, join an anti-protestant group. this was around a time when hitler made statements like "the anti-semetic newspapers are not worthy of a city like vienna".
then in mein kampf he said, "germany is catholic" also, "all catholic countries are german, like ireland."

excact wording may not be perfect but just about right. trust me, when i was younger a had an unhealthy obsession with hitler.

You're in college. Go and ask any of the lecturers. Trust me on this.

No one escaped when it came to that party- anything resembling a power structure was targeted and the Church was one of the biggest. By the end there were even murmers of a kidnap/assassination plot on the Pope.

You're in college. Go and ask any of the lecturers. Trust me on this.

No one escaped when it came to that party- anything resembling a power structure was targeted and the Church was one of the biggest. By the end there were even murmers of a kidnap/assassination plot on the Pope.

The one thing Hitler feared was the Cahtolic Church.

The T-4 Euthanasia program wasn't part of the holocaust. Also, even the majority of NAZIs didn't agree with it. It was a very controversial program that was eventually stopped because the masses didn't like it.

The T-4 Euthanasia program can't really be used to undermine the actual NAZI philosophy. Even most NAZIs didn't agree with it.
CAPITAL letters ARE fun!
The euthanasia program was stopped when it was revealed by the church to the general public. I very much doubt that the Holocaust would not have received a similar level of public anger, but it was kept relatively discreet.

i this true about them killing catholics?

Yes, indeed, Hitler killed many Catholics. He killed many Protestants, many Atheists, etc. He killed all sorts of people.

However, the common misconception is that Hitler was against Catholicism. That's not true. Sure, he killed Catholics. He killed specific Catholics who presented themselves as subversives and enemies of the state.

For example, Maxamillion Kolbey. The reason he was in Auschwitz was because he refused to print NAZI propoganda in his newspaper. The only reason he is a saint is because he gave his life for someone else.

I told you that you know nothing about the regime. You may know aspects of it, but you do not know much about it. As I said, take a class on it and learn more about Hitler before you support him.

i advise reading mein kampf. hilarious retarded. with amazing plans like, get rid of siphilius by getting rid of prositution by getting rid and of the jews.

That is a straw man argument. NAZIism is not that simple. NAZIism is a very complicated political ideaology that encompasses a variety of concepts ranging from corparitist economies, anti semitism, white nationalism, etc.

That said, I don't consider such an ideal that bad. If I have to choose between me surviving and you surviving, you'd better believe I'm looking out for number 1, and that's ultimately what the NAZI race ideaology is all about.

I don't think that all Asians should die, but if the interests of the Aryan race conflict with the Asian interests, then clearly, I am looking out for the Aryan race's interests first.

You don't get me. I don't care if NAZIsm isn't "that simple". You don't get the idea at all.

Your state, I didn't agree to your state. I didn't agree to give it power over me that it so takes, I didn't agree to let them do what they wish.

Your state is wrong, and I will fight it with every fiber of my being (over vigilant moderators: that's doesn't mean literally fight it in the sense of violence. It means opposing it in civil matters wherever possible.

I just want to know, just out of curiousity:

If you met a Jew in a dark alleyway... what would you do?

For example, Maxamillion Kolbey. The reason he was in Auschwitz was because he refused to print NAZI propoganda in his newspaper.
Please explain how you see this as making him an enemy of the state and deserving of death.

i advise reading mein kampf. hilarious retarded. with amazing plans like, get rid of siphilius by getting rid of prositution by getting rid and of the jews.

Syphilus (sp?) is a sexually transmitted disease. Prostitution is a major cause in the spread of STD's. Jews are a major cause of prostitution, pornography, etc. If you disagree, look at Iraq, Ron Jeremy, etc.

TFHR:

Let me share a story with you. My grandpa was part of the Allied forces that re-took the Beaches of Normandy. He fought in the Battle of the Bulge, and he fought several North Africa Campaign. I don't know if this was during or after the war, but one of the assignment that he was on had him go to one of these camps. Now I don't know what he saw, I don't know what happened in there, all I know is that after his unit went to the camp, he went to his superior officer and told him "Look you can drop me out of an airplane, you can march me into battle, and you can tell me to stand up in a firestorm, but don't you ever put me in another place like that!" Now, my grandpa is a strong Catholic man, who I believe is a decent and moral person. I doubt he would lie anything about this. Now if something like this could make a strong young man disobey a potential order to clear out another camp, then what he must've saw, it just couldn't be right. Not morally or legally.

i advise reading mein kampf. hilarious retarded. with amazing plans like, get rid of siphilius by getting rid of prositution by getting rid and of the jews.

It's bloody long winded and boring.

Also, I'd be careful about buying it if I were you. Certain books are 'tagged' and who buys 'em.

Please explain how you see this as making him an enemy of the state and deserving of death.

"Nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." Kolbey was clearly against the State.

Hitler's belief in Atlantis and 10-foot-tall-super-aryans from the star system Aldebaran, and the so called Nazi_mysticism have absolutely nothing to do with the NAZI political ideaology.

Which means it has nothing to do with Nazism???

NAZIism is a very complicated political ideaology that encompasses a variety of concepts ranging from corparitist economies,.......

ah what? hitler said in aspeach, "we are the enemies of capitalism". so thats bollocks.
hitler changed his policies cause they didnt work. not cause it was appart of national socialism.

However, the common misconception is that Hitler was against Catholicism. That's not true. Sure, he killed Catholics. He killed specific Catholics who presented themselves as subversives and enemies of the state.

actually he was originally but he realised Catholicism was too strong in Germany and thus was forced to stop any plans of persecution (after all Hitler had a messiah complex which would naturally be threatened by a pope)

Syphilus (sp?) is a sexually transmitted disease. Prostitution is a major cause in the spread of STD's. Jews are a major cause of prostitution, pornography, etc. If you disagree, look at Iraq, Ron Jeremy, etc.

No. Not Jews.

Women and men.

Unless you can show that I indeed know nothing (and I do), then your statement is false. Back up your statements or stfu.

I'm not going to give you the run down on Nazi history. You being a so-called expert should know how they came to power. Yes it was legally but take a look at what they did to those whom opposed them. I bet you do not know what they did to those people.

"Nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." Kolbey was clearly against the State.

And that makes him deserving of death how?

You haven't told us yet why the state is a good thing. Please elaborate, NAZI.

You're in college. Go and ask any of the lecturers. Trust me on this.

No one escaped when it came to that party- anything resembling a power structure was targeted and the Church was one of the biggest. By the end there were even murmers of a kidnap/assassination plot on the Pope.

Yep.

Syphilus (sp?) is a sexually transmitted disease. Prostitution is a major cause in the spread of STD's. Jews are a major cause of prostitution, pornography, etc. If you disagree, look at Iraq, Ron Jeremy, etc.

Pornography does not cause prostitution nor transmits STDs.


Can you give me evidence from an unbiased source that Jews are behind prostitution?

Yes, indeed, Hitler killed many Catholics. He killed many Protestants, many Atheists, etc. He killed all sorts of people.

However, the common misconception is that Hitler was against Catholicism. That's not true. Sure, he killed Catholics. He killed specific Catholics who presented themselves as subversives and enemies of the state.

For example, Maxamillion Kolbey. The reason he was in Auschwitz was because he refused to print NAZI propoganda in his newspaper. The only reason he is a saint is because he gave his life for someone else.

what i ment by that question was did he specifically kill catholics for being catholics like he to jewish people or something simular.

hitler changed his policies cause they didnt work. not cause it was appart of national socialism.

I paraphrase Der Fuhrer, "The Jew's idea of socialism is taking from others."

Hitler's national socialism is not the Jewish socialism of which you are thinking. Hitler was a corporatist.

We have a person who supports the Nazi regime on this board?

Nazism is the idea that you have more of a right to live than me because of some factors no one has control over. All you have to be is Aryan! It doesn't matter how attractive, smart, or acomplished the Jews/homosexuals/bolsheviks are, you're an Aryan, so you're better.

That's the mentality. That is why Nazism is evil.

Haha, good one, it doesnt matter what The Holy Fourth Reich is like, he's a nazi! therefore his opinions are void and he should be killed...
And you're an american, you're obviously far superior to me... a humble brit... and those poor africans? doesnt matter how attractive or smart they are, they're poor so they dont have rights... heaven forbid western companies give them fair pay

Yes the holocaust was appauling, but so what? so is most of what goes on today. We'll probably have killed 6 million in iraq by the end of the war
And HIV kills about 3 million every year, but we dont put much effort into stopping that now, do we?

Syphilus (sp?) is a sexually transmitted disease. Prostitution is a major cause in the spread of STD's. Jews are a major cause of prostitution, pornography, etc. If you disagree, look at Iraq, Ron Jeremy, etc.

hitler also got syphilus from a jewish prositute. ron jeremy isnt a prositute.

Hitler's national socialism is not the Jewish socialism of which you are thinking. Hitler was a corporatist.

Jewish socialism:confused:

what i ment by that question was did he specifically kill catholics for being catholics like he to jewish people or something simular.

No, he didn't kill Catholics for being Catholics. Haven't you seen the photos?

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/images/nazi-priests.jpg
http://emperor.vwh.net/images/salute.jpg
http://alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/nazigallery/16AIZmag1934.jpg

Haha, good one, it doesnt matter what The Holy Fourth Reich is like, he's a nazi! therefore his opinions are void and he should be killed...
And you're an american, you're obviously far superior to me... a humble brit... and those poor africans? doesnt matter how attractive or smart they are, they're poor so they dont have rights... heaven forbid western companies give them fair pay

Yes the holocaust was appauling, but so what? so is most of what goes on today. We'll probably have killed 6 million in iraq by the end of the war
And HIV kills about 3 million every year, but we dont put much effort into stopping that now, do we?

I didn't say that. Nazism is wrong because it iniates force. If the Jews somehow iniated the forced than you could justify it, but they did not.

It's bloody long winded and boring.

Also, I'd be careful about buying it if I were you. Certain books are 'tagged' and who buys 'em.

opps. but lectures tells us to read it in my college. i'm almost finished.

Haha, good one, it doesnt matter what The Holy Fourth Reich is like, he's a nazi! therefore his opinions are void and he should be killed...
And you're an american, you're obviously far superior to me... a humble brit... and those poor africans? doesnt matter how attractive or smart they are, they're poor so they dont have rights... heaven forbid western companies give them fair pay

Yes the holocaust was appauling, but so what? so is most of what goes on today. We'll probably have killed 6 million in iraq by the end of the war
And HIV kills about 3 million every year, but we dont put much effort into stopping that now, do we?
:rolleyes:
WTF?

And that makes him deserving of death how?

You haven't told us yet why the state is a good thing. Please elaborate, NAZI.

Prove that the state is NOT a good thing. I am not an individualist nor do I subscribe to your leftist humanitarian ideals.

I just can't believe that there really are some people who doesn't see anything wrong with the killing of 6-12 million people. *shudders*

No, he didn't kill Catholics for being Catholics. Haven't you seen the photos?

Yes, yes he did.

Allegiance to him, not the Vatican. That was reason enough to warrant their death. Being killed for their religious beliefs- just like the Jews.

hitler also got syphilus from a jewish prositute. ron jeremy isnt a prositute.

actually it was from his mother (no not that way gutter head:p ) she was a clean freak and this can lead to particular problems during the potty training stage this presented itself in his sexual life and was also a combination of a feeling of castration that he got from his abusive father

Nazism is wrong because it iniates force.

Except that I disagree that force is wrong.

Yes, yes he did.

Allegiance to him, not the Vatican. That was reason enough to warrant their death. Being killed for their religious beliefs- just like the Jews.

Except, you are wrong:

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_ss33co.htm

Except that I disagree that force is wrong.

brains beat brawn simple.

You're the one implying that the Nazi state is right, so the burden of proof is on you.

No, he didn't kill Catholics for being Catholics. Haven't you seen the photos?

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/images/nazi-priests.jpg
http://emperor.vwh.net/images/salute.jpg
http://alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/nazigallery/16AIZmag1934.jpg

hence i was freaking out.

Except, you are wrong:


Yeah. Because Hitler placed soooooooooo much value on treaties and agreements, right?

*coughNazi-SovietPactcough*

You're the one implying that the Nazi state is right, so the burden of proof is on you.

Why is the Nazi state right? Presuming one accepts the NAZI ideals, then clearly, the NAZI state is right.

It's ultimately a philosophical first principal that must be accepted or rejected.

I accept it.

Yeah. Because Hitler placed soooooooooo much value on treaties and agreements, right?

*coughNazi-SovietPactcough*

Let's not forget the fact that he only wanted to unified all the Germanic people, which included Germany, Austria, and parts of another country who's name I forget. Yea.... that worked out well.

Yeah. Because Hitler placed soooooooooo much value on treaties and agreements, right?

*coughNazi-SovietPactcough*

The point being that the Vatican did not outright condemn the Reich.

:rolleyes:
WTF?

er? the first bit was sarcastic, implying that a lot of americans honestly think they're superior to other nationalities, and we take advatage of other people regardless of what they're actually like
the second bit was saying that over 6 million people will probably die of preventable causes this year?

12 Million innocent people who were not justly tried for any crime and were brutally and inhumanly murdered by a physcotic dictator who started a massive war that destroyed europe.

What part of that isn't evil or true? How can anyone even consider associating themselves with something like that?

Unless, of course you enjoy attention and are BSing this or are mentally insane.

Why is the Nazi state right? Presuming one accepts the NAZI ideals, then clearly, the NAZI state is right.

It's ultimately a philosophical first principal that must be accepted or rejected.
Um...

If the Nazi state was the epitome of greatness and strength, why was it eliminated? Fascism speaks of the strong ruling the weak. The strong have prevailed: the Nazi state was annihilated. Thus, by its own philosphical ideas, a new Nazi state has no right to exist.

The point being that the Vatican did not outright condemn the Reich.

*blinks*

Pardon my French, but what in the fuck has that got to do with your claim that Hitler didn't kill Catholics for being Catholics?

You lose at this thread. Badly.

12 Million innocent people who were not justly tried for any crime and were brutally and inhumanly murdered by a physcotic dictator who started a massive war that destroyed europe.

Innocent my ass.

I didn't say that. Nazism is wrong because it iniates force. If the Jews somehow iniated the forced than you could justify it, but they did not.

Yeah, cos we've never used force before have we?

Oh, what about when america locked up japanese and germans during WW2? Or what about the Red scare? i suppose it was all their fault....

Why is the Nazi state right? Presuming one accepts the NAZI ideals, then clearly, the NAZI state is right.

It's ultimately a philosophical first principal that must be accepted or rejected.

I accept it.

I do not. Therefore it follows that the Nazi state is not in fact, right.

*blinks*

Pardon my French, but what in the fuck has that got to do with your claim that Hitler didn't kill Catholics for being Catholics?

You lose at this thread. Badly.

Can you prove without a shadow of a doubt that Hitler did in fact launch an extermination campaign against Catholics soley for being Catholic?

I doubt it seriously, considering say...the existence of...

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustashe

Oh yeah, and Fransisco Franco...and Mussolini.

Yeah, cos we've never used force before have we?

Oh, what about when america locked up japanese and germans during WW2? Or what about the Red scare? i suppose it was all their fault....

I NEVER justified that. The Japanese internment was a horrible crime if you ask me.

I do not. Therefore it follows that the Nazi state is not in fact, right.

Is it right for you? No.

But I really don't care what your personal preferences are.

Innocent my ass.

They were unless you consider existing a crime.

But you probably do, don't you?

Yeah, cos we've never used force before have we?

Oh, what about when america locked up japanese and germans during WW2? Or what about the Red scare? i suppose it was all their fault....
What the hell does that have to do with anything? Most people agree that this was something America should have not done. There is the important distinction that these people were not shoved into gas chambers.
You're basically saying that Nazism isn't wrong because others have done much worse things, right?... :rolleyes:

Innocent my ass.

So, what made 6-12 million people guilty of being enemies by the state? Beside the fact that they belonged to a certain group.

Is it right for you? No.

But I really don't care what your personal preferences are.

You didn't say that it was right for you. You just said that it was right.

Can you prove without a shadow of a doubt that Hitler did in fact launch an extermination campaign against Catholics soley for being Catholic?

I doubt it seriously, considering say...the existence of...

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustashe

Oh yeah, and Fransisco Franco...and Mussolini.

Excellent.

First line of your link:

The neutrality of this article is disputed.

Franco and Mussolini weren't Nazi's. They were fascists.

The Nazi's were fascists. But not all fascists in Europe were Nazi's.

Is it right for you? No.

But I really don't care what your personal preferences are.

Well that's great. Thankfully there are more people in this world who don't believe in Nazism than do.

Thus, the Nazi state has no right to exist because those who aren't Nazi are the strong right now.

Got you in your own philospical hole!

So, what made 6-12 million people guilty of being enemies by the state? Beside the fact that they belonged to a certain group.


They had been, were, and still are a subversive foreign national group.

They had been, were, and still are a subversive foreign national group.

Bullshit. Prove it.

Excellent.

First line of your link:

The point being that the Ustashe were a Catholic Nazi group...whom Hitler didn't gas.

Franco and Mussolini weren't Nazi's. They were fascists.

The Nazi's were fascists. But not all fascists in Europe were Nazi's.

They were both Catholic fascists, and I am sure that Hitler came across many of the Italians and the Spanish. He didn't lock them up and gas them.

Innocent my ass.
http://www.orlyowl.com/rutrippin.jpg

So, what made 6-12 million people guilty of being enemies by the state? Beside the fact that they belonged to a certain group.

So why should the millions of people (over 12 million) who will die this year because of famine, AIDs, etc. die this year? Other than the fact they wern't born into a country with good welfare?

Haha, good one, it doesnt matter what The Holy Fourth Reich is like, he's a nazi! therefore his opinions are void and he should be killed...
And you're an american, you're obviously far superior to me... a humble brit... and those poor africans? doesnt matter how attractive or smart they are, they're poor so they dont have rights... heaven forbid western companies give them fair pay

Yes the holocaust was appauling, but so what? so is most of what goes on today. We'll probably have killed 6 million in iraq by the end of the war
And HIV kills about 3 million every year, but we dont put much effort into stopping that now, do we?
1st paragraph: It doesn't matter what the Fourth Holy Reich is like in person; if he's defending and promoting Hitler's actions, and believes it, he's a Nazi. If he doesn't believe, he's a troll. Either way, there's no real reason to listen to him.
2nd paragraph: what the deuce...?
3rd paragraph: the holocaust was appalling, because there's some inexplicable difference between large numbers of people dieing from a disease or civil war and the methodical processing of millions of people through gas chambers. Nothing has ever horrified me more than stories of folk coming off the train, being sorted, and then taking showers to move on to their 'next destination'. At the very least, other victims knew they were about to die and might have made some sort of peace with themselves, for what it's worth. But to have the shower turn on, and suddenly realize you're being gassed (particularly with some Nazi soldiers watching at viewports)... I can't even imagine how you are defending this.

The point being that the Ustashe were a Catholic Nazi group...whom Hitler didn't gas.



They were both Catholic fascists, and I am sure that Hitler came across many of the Italians and the Spanish. He didn't lock them up and gas them.

Probably because they were Nazi and Facist, respectively. I bet he killed most Catholics that were not either.

They had been, were, and still are a subversive foreign national group.

So they were guilty of association?

Reich, stop avoiding my question. If fascist ideology belives that the strong should rule the weak and the Nazis are fascists and they have lost the war and thus should be categorized as the weak, what right does the Nazi state have to exist?

They had been, were, and still are a subversive foreign national group.

You do realize that they were some of the best fighters for Germany in WWI, and would have fought bravly for him again if he didnt kill them? IIRC, Hitler served under a Jewish officer in WWI, and amiried him?

They had been, were, and still are a subversive foreign national group.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/paulbubel/tinfoil-hat.jpg

Do you also believe that the government puts fluoride in the water for mind control, that the moon landings were faked, or that moon aliens have visited Earth?

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Franco and Mussolini weren't Nazi's. They were fascists.

The Nazi's were fascists. But not all fascists in Europe were Nazi's.

hitler wasnt a proper fascist. my shirt is blue! (my granddad was apart of the irish fascist movement).

Bullshit. Prove it.

Where do you want me to start?

That they are a national group?

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

That they are foreign? well, that follows from them being a national group.

That they are subversive?

Where should I start?

The babylonians....the Romans...the middle age europeans...or how about this quote:

I hardly exaggerate. Jewish life consists of two elements: Extracting money and protesting."

Innocent my ass.

PROVE IT. Prove that every single person in thoes camps was not innocent. Their only crime was being Jewish. Legality does not equal morality. You claim that Hitler identified them "enemies of the state" and thus was justified to kill them. Hitler had no proof of their guilt and was merely targeting them for their race. I am Iranian. Iranian is not a race, it is a nationality. Does the fact that I am Iranian make me a terrorist? No it does not because I am not a terrorist and do not hate America. You claim that Hitler told them to leave, and when they didnt, he was justified in killing them. However Hitlers action of telling them to leave was not morally justified and they had no moral reason to leave. After he came into power he did not allow them to leave. Also what about the Jews he killed from places he invaded, like Poland? They never had a chance to leave. Under his own laws, he might have been legally justified in killing them, but again legality does not equal morality. Pwnd.

The point being that the Ustashe were a Catholic Nazi group...whom Hitler didn't gas.

No. The point being your evidence is bullshit.


They were both Catholic fascists, and I am sure that Hitler came across many of the Italians and the Spanish. He didn't lock them up and gas them.

I'm sure Hitler dreamed about flying off to his mountain retreat on a pink unicorn. Sadly, I'll never know that because I never met the man. Likewise, you'll never know whether he did or did not in fact meet with Italian or Spanish Catholics.

He did however meet with the Russians on a few instances. And you're right, he didn't gas them straight away..... he waited.

Reich, stop avoiding my question. If fascist ideology belives that the strong should rule the weak and the Nazis are fascists and they have lost the war and thus should be categorized as the weak, what right does the Nazi state have to exist?

Your idea of theory confirmation is 40 years outdated.

No. The point being your evidence is bullshit.

Prove that.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/paulbubel/tinfoil-hat.jpg

Do you also believe that the government puts fluoride in the water for mind control, that the moon landings were faked, or that moon aliens have visited Earth?

The US government admitted they did, but it was for dental health, not mind control.

Not that it's a good idea, mind you.

Where do you want me to start?

That they are a national group?

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

That they are foreign? well, that follows from them being a national group.

That they are subversive?

Where should I start?

The babylonians....the Romans...the middle age europeans...or how about this quote:
Nazis:

Are they foreign?

Yes, they are Germans.

Are they subversive?

Well, the whole invading Poland thing...

hitler wasnt a proper fascist. my shirt is blue! (my granddad was apart of the irish fascist movement).

Course he wasn't. He was military dictator pure and simple. The guy had more in common with Stalin for fuck's sake!

I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather.

The US government admitted they did, but it was for dental health, not mind control.

Not that it's a good idea, mind you.
That's what they want you to think. *nods*
>.<

Your idea of theory confirmation is 40 years outdated.

No. My idea of confirmation is fascist confirmation, which you believe in.

Prove that.

Prove that it isnt. Prove that you arent insane. Prove that I'm not an alien who wants to eat your soul. Prove it.

Prove that.

OK

The neutrality of this article is disputed.

BLAM. Proven. Your evidence is not credible. i.e Your evidence is bullshit.

PROVE IT. Prove that every single person in thoes camps was not innocent. Their only crime was being Jewish.

I consider that a very major crime, and so did Mein Fuhrer.

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com

OK



BLAM. Proven. You're evidence is not credible. i.e Your evidence is bullshit.

Except, that's not the case. It said the neutrality is debated, not the accuracy. If you'll look, most of the articles on NAZIism have that disclaimer. That doesn't mean that the actual facts are less accurate.

nazism stands for NAtionalist socialism it means they think the government should control most things that go on in the country like production and such they dont really control but watch and overlook and they take pride in what they do. This whole aryan thing is something hitler and his fanatics believ not what every nazi believed anyway hitler wasn't blonde haired blue eyed or tall he was short brown eyes and black hair so why he believed the whole aryan crap is what confuses me. But not all nazi 's are bad just that the name is ascociated with what hitler did 70% of the country then were nazi supporters and people in the nazi party but no one ever thinks about how they had the best army high technology and stuff like that many "nazis" weren't even aware of the holocaust and hitler was a decent guy but he had a brain disease and took morphine so it was a crazy guy running the show not every single nazi

Where do you want me to start?

That they are a national group?

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

The methodical killing of which constitutes a genocide, contrary to your opinion on another thread.

That they are foreign? well, that follows from them being a national group.

Though most of them were born in Germany. If they were considered foreign, then all white people in the US should be considered foreign.

That they are subversive?

BS.

Where should I start?

The babylonians

Chaldeans, actually. And they conquered Israel. They didn't willingly immigrate.

....the Romans...

Again, an oppressed people revolting. Not exclusive to the Jews.

the middle age europeans...

Not familiar with that one, but it was mutual.

Didn't manage to get the quote though, so I can't comment on it.

I consider that a very major crime, and so did Mein Fuhrer.

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com

You're an idiot. That I think everyone on this thread can agree on.

You're what? A 13 year old kid from a nice middle class household trying to be a lil' rebel?

PROVE IT. Prove that every single person in thoes camps was not innocent. Their only crime was being Jewish

I consider that a very major crime, and so did Mein Fuhrer.

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com

Ummm, I didn't say that....

I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather.

thats ok, i'm apart of the political party they spawned from them. but now we are less fascist. we're teaming up with a socialist party next year. fun times. no other country that would happen in.

I consider that a very major crime, and so did Mein Fuhrer.

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com

So I'm responsible for what my ancestors did?

I guess than the Germanic people should be ruled by the Italians because of their crimes against the great Roman Empire.

I consider that a very major crime, and so did Mein Fuhrer.

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com
*gasp* Jewish people killed someone five hundred years ago! OH NOEZ!!!11eleven If you go by those criteria, you have to kill every single person in the world. :rolleyes:
t3h j00z drink blood of good christins!!1one!11

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/paulbubel/tinfoil-hat.jpg

Prove that article. Even it is true (which I seriously doubt) that some jewish people commited atrocities in the past does not say anything about them now. I have jewish friends and you and your fuhrer can go to hell. Oh wait I forgot HES ALREADY THERE. and any point of mine that you do not refute I will assume that you can not refute.

1st paragraph: It doesn't matter what the Fourth Holy Reich is like in person; if he's defending and promoting Hitler's actions, and believes it, he's a Nazi. If he doesn't believe, he's a troll. Either way, there's no real reason to listen to him.
2nd paragraph: what the deuce...?
3rd paragraph: the holocaust was appalling, because there's some inexplicable difference between large numbers of people dieing from a disease or civil war and the methodical processing of millions of people through gas chambers. Nothing has ever horrified me more than stories of folk coming off the train, being sorted, and then taking showers to move on to their 'next destination'. At the very least, other victims knew they were about to die and might have made some sort of peace with themselves, for what it's worth. But to have the shower turn on, and suddenly realize you're being gassed (particularly with some Nazi soldiers watching at viewports)... I can't even imagine how you are defending this.

1. Just because he's a Nazi doesnt make his opinion any less valid, but for some reason, just because his opinion is unpopular people people lessen him. For example people wont say certain things not to offend muslims or catholics, but people use Nazism as an insult
2. I was saying we're probably gonna cause deaths close to ones hitler caused, but we wouldnt dare compare bush to hitler....
3. In my opinion your last few minutes of life arent that important, i think its worse that people spend their whole lives starving to death, than people being methodicaly killed quickly, which we could prevent

(Ok, now im just defending The Holy Fourth Reich for the sake of it:rolleyes: )

Except, that's not the case. It said the neutrality is debated, not the accuracy. If you'll look, most of the articles on NAZIism have that disclaimer. That doesn't mean that the actual facts are less accurate.


...

Da fuck? Go find a dictionary. NOW

The methodical killing of which constitutes a genocide, contrary to your opinion on another thread.

Except of course, that it by definition does not.

Though most of them were born in Germany. If they were considered foreign, then all white people in the US should be considered foreign.

Weak analogy. White is not a national group.

Didn't manage to get the quote though, so I can't comment on it.

OK, how about Israel's total screwage of the Palestineans?

I consider that a very major crime, and so did Mein Fuhrer.

have you ever bothered to read the Jewish equivalent of the bible (whatever that is)

Also Jews do the nation allot of good they pay taxes, they invent, and they even sometimes teach *gasp* your children

You're an idiot. That I think everyone on this thread can agree on.

You're what? A 13 year old kid from a nice middle class household trying to be a lil' rebel?

He's 18,

Read this thread (all of it sorry), you'll get more of an insight into who he is:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509653

Hey you know what? Christians commited atrocities in the past. ALL CHRISTIANS ARE EVIL. You can not find a single group that has commited no atrocities.

So I'm responsible for what my ancestors did?

Are you a Jew? If so, then yes, you are.

*gasp* Jewish people killed someone five hundred years ago! OH NOEZ!!!11eleven If you go by those criteria, you have to kill every single person in the world. :rolleyes:
t3h j00z drink blood of good christins!!1one!11

Its more the princible that jews killed someone for their religion, although claiming all jews are like this is like saying all muslims are terrorists, but i doubt the jews were killed for this...

If we went back far enough, we could probably find a guy someone in Hitler's family brutally murdered. I guess all Germans are responsible for that too, then.

Are you a Jew? If so, then yes, you are.

Then I am holding YOU personally responsible for every crime ever commited by a white man.

Its more the princible that jews killed someone for their religion, although claiming all jews are like this is like saying all muslims are terrorists, but i doubt the jews were killed for this...
If you go by those criteria, you still have to kill every single person in the world. Pretty much every religion has had an incident where people have killed others for that religion.

Then I am holding YOU personally responsible for every crime ever commited by a white man.

Tell me if this sounds familiar:

"His blood be upon us and on our children."

Actually it doesnt. kindly tell me where that quote came from?

Are you a Jew? If so, then yes, you are.

God you're an idiot.

Actually it doesnt. kindly tell me where that quote came from?

Matthew 27:25

Its more the princible that jews killed someone for their religion, although claiming all jews are like this is like saying all muslims are terrorists, but i doubt the jews were killed for this...

i guess it was mostly brought on by a mix on hitlers insanity and zionism.

Are you a Jew? If so, then yes, you are.

Are you a German? Than yes, the Italians must enslave you for the crimes against the Roman Empire.

And yes, I am a Jew. My grandfather was sent to a concentration camp by the "great aryan NAZI state."

Except of course, that it by definition does not.

gen·o·cide /ˈdʒɛnəˌsaɪd/ Pronunciation[jen-uh-sahyd]

–noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Bolded for emphasis.

OK, how about Israel's total screwage of the Palestineans?

Where Israel got it's own nation? That wasn't actually Israel's doing directly. Britain did it, IIRC.

'Sides, they conquered the land from the Ottoman Empire, I thought Nazi's loved the whole 'might makes right' concept?

You know, instead of us all getting pissed at each other, why don't we just get along? No one can try and impose their beliefs upon one another, but personalities can be very much compatible beyond political beliefs, and I think we should all the the you inside them. We don't have to be fighting! And I know I sound like a hippie, but i'm a hardcore Communist, and my friend is a harcore capitalist, but we get along fine! If anything, our debating brings us closeer, instead of pushing us apart.
STOP THE
:upyours: :sniper: :gundge: :mp5:
START THE
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
(sorry for all the smilies, i thought it would be a good summarizing...um...thing.)

Are you a German? Than yes, the Italians must enslave you for the crimes against the Roman Empire.

Germanic. That said, the Germanics won.

And yes, I am a Jew. My grandfather was sent to a concentration camp by the "great aryan NAZI state."

Are you expecting me to feel pity for you? :rolleyes:

Are you a German? Than yes, the Italians must enslave you for the crimes against the Roman Empire.

And yes, I am a Jew. My grandfather was sent to a concentration camp by the "great aryan NAZI state."
This will sound rather trite, but sorry to hear that.

You know, instead of us all getting pissed at each other, why don't we just get along? No one can try and impose their beliefs upon one another, but personalities can be very much compatible beyond political beliefs, and I think we should all the the you inside them. We don't have to be fighting! And I know I sound like a hippie, but i'm a hardcore Communist, and my friend is a harcore capitalist, but we get along fine! If anything, our debating brings us closeer, instead of pushing us apart.
STOP THE
:upyours: :sniper: :gundge: :mp5:
START THE
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
(sorry for all the smilies, i thought it would be a good summarizing...um...thing.)

Noob.

If you go by those criteria, you still have to kill every single person in the world. Pretty much every religion has had an incident where people have killed others for that religion.

I said that was the point THFR was making, not that it was the sole reason for the holocaust, or even came into that

and i think buddhists are fairly innocent?

Germanic. That said, the Germanics won.



Are you expecting me to feel pity for you? :rolleyes:
And the Nazis lost to t3h eb1l j00ish world conspiracyz, your point?

So what? If I said now "you know what? every crime I commit will be sent down to my descendants." HOW WOULD THAT BE MY DESCENDANTS FAULT. And btw prove that that actually happened. Prove that the bible is true. You constantly demand proof so it is only fair that you constantly supply it.

Germanic.
Oh, brother. Another one. :rolleyes:

gen·o·cide /ˈdʒɛnəˌsaɪd/ Pronunciation[jen-uh-sahyd]

–noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

If you want to define genocide like that, then sure, it was genocide. I don't really have a problem with that sort of genocide, though.

I define Genocide as execution based on race alone. (Genocide: Gene cide Killing a genotype)

Where Israel got it's own nation? That wasn't actually Israel's doing directly. Britain did it, IIRC.

But they were behind it! The Jews obviously control the world's money and media. Of COURSE they got someone else to do it.

'Sides, they conquered the land from the Ottoman Empire, I thought Nazi's loved the whole 'might makes right' concept?

Not when they are Jews.

Noob.

Intolerant idiot.

Hamilay-thank you.

Reich-Yeah, but the Allies won and overthrew the Nazi regime. We sentenced the high ranking Nazi murderers in their state to death. We are the victors. Thank you very much.

I have two grandfathers: one who worked in a concentration camp, another who fought on the Allied side as a fighter trainer.

Where Israel got it's own nation? That wasn't actually Israel's doing directly. Britain did it, IIRC.

'Sides, they conquered the land from the Ottoman Empire, I thought Nazi's loved the whole 'might makes right' concept?

no, zionist movement around 1880.
but dont mind blaming britian. they did wosre than the nazis.

Oh, brother. Another one. :rolleyes:
Oh, I don't think the other ones go as far as this one does.

I'm not familiar with that event

*runs off to look it up*

So what? If I said now "you know what? every crime I commit will be sent down to my descendants." HOW WOULD THAT BE MY DESCENDANTS FAULT. And btw prove that that actually happened. Prove that the bible is true. You constantly demand proof so it is only fair that you constantly supply it.

http://www.konig.org/wc90.htm

I said that was the point THFR was making, not that it was the sole reason for the holocaust, or even came into that

and i think buddhists are fairly innocent?

no, there are buddhists terrorists. you think you found the right religion, then blamoo!

Because I'm a Jew?

What kind of argument is that? What kind of logic is behind that? My grandfather was a twelve year old boy living peacefully in Hungary. What did he do to the Grand NAZI uber-state?

It's bloody long winded and boring.

Also, I'd be careful about buying it if I were you. Certain books are 'tagged' and who buys 'em.
Tagged?

All you have to be is Aryan! It doesn't matter how attractive, smart, or acomplished the Jews/homosexuals/bolsheviks are, you're an Aryan, so you're better.


To add to the hypocrisy, most of the Nazi regime weren't even Aryan. Hitler himself had brown hair and brown eyes and actually could have actually had jewish blood in him.

Im going to stop arguing for tonight, because I have a life. I,ll be back tommoroww to pwn the idiot some more.

How does one justify labelling a group of people enemies of the state when their decisions that put them in that group affect the state in no way at all?

Because I'm a Jew?

What kind of argument is that? What kind of logic is behind that? My grandfather was a twelve year old boy living peacefully in Hungary. What did he do to the Grand NAZI uber-state?

He was a Jew. That's enough for me.

What did he do to the Grand NAZI uber-state?

or is the real question is, what didnt he do?

http://www.konig.org/wc90.htm

Last post for tonight but how is that proof at all?

To add to the hypocrisy, most of the Nazi regime weren't even Aryan. Hitler himself had brown hair and brown eyes and actually could have actually had jewish blood in him.

So it's not even internally consistent. Therefore it's illogical to ascribe to it, m i rite?

He was a Jew. That's enough for me.
Than what did the Jews do to the grand NAZI uber-state?

He was a Jew. That's enough for me.
and MTAE thought that the mods aren't lenient...

I haven't seen a thread move this fast in ages.

Last post for tonight but how is that proof at all?

Secular proof of the Crucifixion by Jews.

Tagged?

*nods*

You think records aren't kept of who buys certain books with certain extreme ideologies attached, and where?

D'you remember the US college student (2005 I think) who was 'interviewed' by the FBI for buying Mao's Little Red Book? He was doing a course on Chinese politics at the time.

Than what did the Jews do to the grand NAZI uber-state?


They are Jews. Did the NAZIs really need further justification? C'mon!

Secular proof of the Crucifixion by Jews.

So? Wasn't Jesus fated to die for all mankind's good or something? :rolleyes:

He was a Jew. That's enough for me.

So if the <insert your home country> decided that all people of your race were subversive and must die, you wouldn't take issue with their killing of you simply because of the genetics you carry?

If you did, then you'd be inconsistent.

*nods*

You think records aren't kept of who buys certain books with certain extreme ideologies attached, and where?

D'you remember the US college student (2005 I think) who was 'interviewed' by the FBI for buying Mao's Little Red Book? He was doing a course on Chinese politics at the time.
Wow, so in other words it's not okay to be Nazi, but it is okay for the State to act as though it were Nazi? I love the contradictions. I certainly hope they don't do this in the UK; absolutely no bloody business of the government what I read...

http://www.konig.org/wc90.htm
That proves nothing other than there was someone who went around in ancient times who could speak well and said "Hey, I'm the king of the Jews!" and that people believed him. Nothing particularly special. It could have been Pilate wearing a cardboard mask for all you know.

Oh, I don't think the other ones go as far as this one does.
The mindset is the same.

They are Jews. Did the NAZIs really need further justification? C'mon!

Why is being jewish such a crime?

To add to the hypocrisy, most of the Nazi regime weren't even Aryan. Hitler himself had brown hair and brown eyes and actually could have actually had jewish blood in him.

Yeah, but hitler didnt go around killing people just because they had brown hair and brown eyes did he? If hitler believed that the aryan race was superior to others its not hypocritical of him to not be aryan, its only hypocritical if he said he was as good as aryans, its possible to think god is superior and not be a god yourself

They are Jews. Did the NAZIs really need further justification? C'mon!

Yes.

They are Jews. Did the NAZIs really need further justification? C'mon!

You have to be a troll. There is no other way...

So? Wasn't Jesus fated to die for all mankind's good or something? :rolleyes:

Nonetheless, your ancestors said, "His blood be upon us and upon our children."

See Http://www.stsimonoftrent.com and actually read the quotes by the various saints.

You identify yourself as a Jew? You identify yourself as a member of the nation of those Christ killing Pharisees? Fine. Just understand what it entails.

my country discriminated against the people they should have. i really hate pikeys.

So? Wasn't Jesus fated to die for all mankind's good or something? :rolleyes:
That's true. If Jesus hadn't been killed by the Jews, the world wouldn't have been saved :p

So it's not even internally consistent. Therefore it's illogical to ascribe to it, m i rite?

Correct, but our Nazi friend fails to realize this.

They are Jews. Did the NAZIs really need further justification? C'mon!

Which is exactly why nazism is evil.

Thank you, goodbye.

The Fourth Reich -

I could use a little bit of clarification. Do you agree to all of the political aspects of the NAZI party? And would you agree that the Final Solution was truly the only option?

Correct, but our Nazi friend fails to realize this.

Aryan =/= blonde hair blue eyes.

Nonetheless, your ancestors said, "His blood be upon us and upon our children."

See Http://www.stsimonoftrent.com and actually read the quotes by the various saints.

You identify yourself as a Jew? You identify yourself as a member of the nation of those Christ killing Pharisees? Fine. Just understand what it entails.

Dude, you do know that Jesus was jewish and that most of the books of the bible were written by jewish people?

You have to be a troll. There is no other way...

Actually that does sound like troll-speak... either that or he's just run out of points to make....

The Fourth Reich -

I could use a little bit of clarification. Do you agree to all of the political aspects of the NAZI party? And would you agree that the Final Solution was truly the only option?

thier is always another option, and it is dance!

Dude, you do know that Jesus was jewish and that most of the books of the bible were written by jewish people?

pwned.

i used geek phrase!:p

Dude, you do know that Jesus was jewish and that most of the books of the bible were written by jewish people?

Read the quotes by the various saints, especially by St. Augustine. I gave that link for a reason. Your refutation is nonsensical.

Nonetheless, your ancestors said, "His blood be upon us and upon our children."

See Http://www.stsimonoftrent.com and actually read the quotes by the various saints.

You identify yourself as a Jew? You identify yourself as a member of the nation of those Christ killing Pharisees? Fine. Just understand what it entails.

Right, but God said the Jews would do it. So they really had no choice in the matter.

Nonetheless, your ancestors said, "His blood be upon us and upon our children."

See Http://www.stsimonoftrent.com and actually read the quotes by the various saints.

You identify yourself as a Jew? You identify yourself as a member of the nation of those Christ killing Pharisees? Fine. Just understand what it entails.

Actually, while I am Jewish by blood I am a practicing Christian.

And Jesus was a Jew...I guess Jesus should have been enslaved by the Aryan Uberlords.

The Fourth Reich -

I could use a little bit of clarification. Do you agree to all of the political aspects of the NAZI party?

Many of them.

And would you agree that the Final Solution was truly the only option?

I despise Jews with a purple passion.

Nonetheless, your ancestors said, "His blood be upon us and upon our children."

See Http://www.stsimonoftrent.com and actually read the quotes by the various saints.

You identify yourself as a Jew? You identify yourself as a descendent of those Christ killing Pharisees? Fine. Just understand what it entails.
You identify yourself as Germanic? You identify yourself as a descendant of the tribes who practised human sacrifice? Oh noes!
EVERY race, every race, has done something horribly atrocious in history. And just as a side note, your source is complete shit. That event was disproved ages ago.

He was a Jew. That's enough for me.
Holy crap.You might have said that just to piss us off, but that wasn't funny. And if you were serious? GET OUT MORE! Learn that Jews are just the same as you and me! As goes for any other race/religion.

Actually, while I am Jewish by blood I am a practicing Christian.

Then you clearly aren't a Jew. To be a Jew is to belong to Israel. To be a Christian is to belong to the Kingdom of God.

Many of them.



I despise Jews with a purple passion.

...

Than tell us why you despise them. And saying because they're Jews isn't an answer.

Read the quotes by the various saints, especially by St. Augustine. I gave that link for a reason. Your refutation is nonsensical.

The physical form of Jesus was of Jewish nationality. To be consistent, Jesus would have to have been killed by Nazis if he was in Germany at the time.

Read the quotes by the various saints, especially by St. Augustine. I gave that link for a reason. Your refutation is nonsensical.

jesus=lord of the jews, thus he is a jew.
micheal flatley=lord of the dance, thus he dances.
the fourth holy reich=lord of ass faces, thus he is an ass face.

That event was disproved ages ago.

I repeat: Read the quotes by the Saints on the page. I don't care if the martyrdom occured or not; the quotes of the Saints are no less valid.

Holy crap.You might have said that just to piss us off, but that wasn't funny. And if you were serious? GET OUT MORE! Learn that Jews are just the same as you and me! As goes for any other race/religion.
It's the damn Irish that are behind it all. <.<

http://www.libertarian.nl/NL/archives/capitalist.jpg

Then you clearly aren't a Jew. To be a Jew is to belong to Israel. To be a Christian is to belong to the Kingdom of God.

To be a Nazi is to belong to the Kingdom of Satan.

There, I said it.

Aryan =/= blonde hair blue eyes.
Yeah, Aryans are mythological superbeings that live under the surface of the earth.

Last reports are that they look like this:
http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/SIM/SIMC1320.gif

You identify yourself as a Jew? You identify yourself as a member of the nation of those Christ killing Pharisees? Fine. Just understand what it entails.

Not to get uber religious here, but as far as who killed Christ from a theological standpoint, we all did.

And even if you were to get technical the Pharisees were what percent of the jewish people?

I despise Jews with a purple passion.

ha ha you're a queer. you're going to get reiched!

Then you clearly aren't a Jew. To be a Jew is to belong to Israel. To be a Christian is to belong to the Kingdom of God.

A Kingdom to which you clearly don't belong.

...

Than tell us why you despise them. And saying because they're Jews isn't an answer.

BEFORE ANYONE ELSE SAYS ANOTHER GOSH DAMNED THING, READ THIS LINK!

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com

Unless you read the entire bloody page in it's entirety, don't post again. I am not going to keep answering this again and again and again.

To be a Nazi is to belong to the Kingdom of Satan.
No, that is for us Capitalists. We'll charge the bloody fools if they want in...

I repeat: Read the quotes by the Saints on the page. I don't care if the martyrdom occured or not; the quotes of the Saints are no less valid.
Sorry, old boy, I'm an atheist. Don't care what the saints say. Anti-semitic jerks are not worthy of sainthood, anyways.

It's the damn Irish that are behind it all. <.<

http://www.libertarian.nl/NL/archives/capitalist.jpg

cén fáth?
wha' the bleedin' hell are ay talkin' abou'?

See Http://www.stsimonoftrent.com and actually read the quotes by the various saints.

I have never seen such a long page of bull in my life!

And Jesus was a Jew...I guess Jesus should have been enslaved by the Aryan Uberlords.

But didnt his coming convert many jews to christians, who have been fighting jews for ages? Even during the crusades which were approved by god they attacked jews, something along the lines of "Why fight Christ's enemies abroad when they are living among us?"

(Note: Im not christian, its just that the christian god seems to hate jews too...(i dont hate jews either))

BEFORE ANYONE ELSE SAYS ANOTHER GOSH DAMNED THING, READ THIS LINK!

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com

Unless you read the entire bloody page in it's entirety, don't post again. I am not going to keep answering this again and again and again.

I have. And the Saint's and Pope's teachings are not valid either if one isn't Catholic: there is no biblical mention or supporting of Saints.

cén fáth?
wha' the bleedin' hell are ay talkin' abou'?
Sorry, forgot to take off my tinfoil hat. :)

(Note: Im not christian, its just that the christian god seems to hate jews too...(i dont hate jews either))

I wouldn't say "hate," but that is certainly my point. Stsimonoftrent.com makes that very clear.

The Christian god hates most of humanity.

I have. And the Saint's and Pope's teachings are not valid either if one isn't Catholic

Tradition says we must oppose Jewry.

I don't care if some Modernist pope feels sorry for the Jews. I don't care if some Modernist heretic thinks we should get along with the Jews. Tradition says we despise Jews.

ha ha you're a queer. you're going to get reiched!
HAHAHAHAHA that's awesome.

Tradition says we must oppose Jewry.

I don't care if some Modernist pope feels sorry for the Jews. I don't care if some Modernist heretic thinks we should get along with the Jews. Tradition says we despise Jews.

What Pope Benedict the Sixteenth Said: the Holocaust was wrong.

Good day to you sir!

ha ha you're a queer. you're going to get reiched!
Purple is the colour of death. Pink is for gay...

Lets all leave the thread and then see what TFHR does. All we're doing is feeding a big ignorant troll.

The Christian god hates most of humanity.

i think i should be the official ns god. 4th reich can be statan or worse, the church.

Tradition says we must oppose Jewry.

I don't care if some Modernist pope feels sorry for the Jews. I don't care if some Modernist heretic thinks we should get along with the Jews. Tradition says we despise Jews.
seriously, how in the hell has this thread not been locked yet?

BEFORE ANYONE ELSE SAYS ANOTHER GOSH DAMNED THING, READ THIS LINK!

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com

Unless you read the entire bloody page in it's entirety, don't post again. I am not going to keep answering this again and again and again.
Ahem...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Simon_of_Trent
In 1965, in the wake of the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church began to reinvestigate the story of Saint Simon and opened the trial records anew. Finally declaring the episode a fraud, the cult of Saint Simon was suppressed by Pope Paul VI and the shrine erected to him was dismantled. He was removed from the calendar, and his future veneration was forbidden, but some Catholics have ignored this suppression and continue to venerate the holy little boy of Trent.

In 2001 the local authorities of the Autonomous Province of Trento promoted a common Catholic and Jewish prayer at the site where the ancient Jewish synagogue in Palazzo Salvadori was located, in a sort of reconciliation between the city and Jewish community.[3]

The only way you can keep pushing this fraud is by disobeying the Pope and thus God's will.

What Pope Benedict the Sixteenth Said: the Holocaust was wrong.

Which, of course, was his own personal opinion. I don't care what that Modernist says if it isn't Ex Cathedra.

I just can't believe that there really are some people who doesn't see anything wrong with the killing of 6-12 million people. *shudders*

He killed way more than that.

I have. And the Saint's and Pope's teachings are not valid either if one isn't Catholic: there is no biblical mention or supporting of Saints.

But Hitler was catholic so they do apply to him, this seems to come down to a purely religious arguement now about who's interpretation of god is right....

(I've lost what we're argueing about and im very tired so i'll go now)

Purple is the colour of death. Pink is for gay...

not here.

Tradition says we must oppose Jewry.

I don't care if some Modernist pope feels sorry for the Jews. I don't care if some Modernist heretic thinks we should get along with the Jews. Tradition says we despise Jews.

There's not a verse in the Bible about killing the Jews, there is no fucking tradition. Not one rooted in anything valid anyway.

The only way you can keep pushing this fraud is by disobeying the Pope and thus God's will.

My evidence for despising the Jews is not the martyrdom of St. Simon, but that long, long list of quotes beneath it. Read the page IN ITS ENTIRETY, or shut up and don't post.

BEFORE ANYONE ELSE SAYS ANOTHER GOSH DAMNED THING, READ THIS LINK!

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com

Unless you read the entire bloody page in it's entirety, don't post again. I am not going to keep answering this again and again and again.

Even if this martyrdom did occur you would punish the Jews of today for the sins of people who probaby aren't even their ancestors?

As for all of the quotes, These are Quotes by men. I could just as easily say:

"Jeffrey Dahmer ate his male lovers. Jeffrey Dahmer was Aryan. Thus all Aryans must die."

He killed way more than that.
Isn't it around 13 million if one accounts for both the war and the genocide?

Lets all leave the thread and then see what TFHR does. All we're doing is feeding a big ignorant troll.
I agree with this sentiment. Somewhere, there is an 11 year old boy watching this thread, laughing and jerking off.

http://www.orlyowl.com/kthxbye.jpg

There's not a verse in the Bible about killing the Jews, there is no fucking tradition. Not one rooted in anything valid anyway.

You clearly didn't read the link I gave. Stop posting until you read it.

Which, of course, was his own personal opinion. I don't care what that Modernist says if it isn't Ex Cathedra.
By the Church's law, the modernist's are not heretics: you are.

Vatican II baby!

shut up and don't post.

funny most of us would give that advice to you.

Vatican II baby!

VII was not a doctrinal council; it was therefore not infallible.

You clearly didn't read the link I gave. Stop posting until you read it.

I did. Fact is, the page is clearly biased. So the quotes need to be backed from from at least a couple other sources.

anyhow, catholic interpretation is all wrong, since clearly it's the Byzantines who knew what was what.

VII was not a doctrinal council; it was therefore not infallible.

Jesus preached "Love thy neighbor". If thy neighbor is a Jew, should you not love them?

Surely Jesus's word supersede the Pope's?

this is the fast thread growth i've seen on this site in 15 years.

not here.
I think we need to re-colonise the US and help you poor confused creatures. :)

I did. Fact is, the page is clearly biased.

Biased? The only way that bias affects the accuracy of a source is if the bias is baseless. Your claim of "bias" is wrong. The website is essentially one big source page. Unless you can disprove what is inside of the page, stfu.

My evidence for despising the Jews is not the martyrdom of St. Simon, but that long, long list of quotes beneath it. Read the page IN ITS ENTIRETY, or shut up and don't post.
That's not evidence, it's personal opinion. Not ex cathedra.
And that is if it's been correctly recorded and represented, which is not something one can expect from a random website like this.

Ex Cathedra rulings by the Popes say pretty clearly that the Catholics and the Jews are great friends. And particularly the Roman Missal, which prays for the Jews (being "the first who saw god") and the Nostra Aetate, which says that the blame for Jesus' death cannot be laid at the feet of the Jews, should give you a pretty strong hint, my godless friend.

I think we need to re-colonise the US and help you poor confused creatures. :)

what?
go over to america, get drunk, smash shit, get confused why chicks like are accent but fuck em' anyway.
thats an irish invasion. done of this war bollocks.

Nonetheless, your ancestors said, "His blood be upon us and upon our children."

See Http://www.stsimonoftrent.com and actually read the quotes by the various saints.

You identify yourself as a Jew? You identify yourself as a member of the nation of those Christ killing Pharisees? Fine. Just understand what it entails.

actually, most of the confessions in that case were extracted through torture. If you want the facts heres the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Simon_of_Trent

That's not evidence,

That's dozens of biblical quotes, Papal statements, and stuff by doctors and Saints of the Church. That is evidence.

Ex Cathedra rulings by the Popes say pretty clearly that the Catholics and the Jews are great friends.

Name a single Ex Cathedra statement by the pope that said such a thing.

Nostra Aetate

Was not infallible

Biased? The only way that bias affects the accuracy of a source is if the bias is baseless. Your claim of "bias" is wrong. The website is essentially one big source page. Unless you can disprove what is inside of the page, stfu.

"Saint Simon of Trent has been venerated as a martyr since 1475 A.D. In 1965 A.D., the cult was sacrilegiously attempted to be "suppressed" (which is an impossibility) by order of the Racist Zionist Mafia in collaboration with their Marrano friends in the VATICAN. This attack on St. Simon of Trent's sacred cult, by the Modernist infiltrators holed up in Rome, was/is in perfect harmony with their overall attempt [PLAN] to abandon TRADITION [THE FAITH] "in favor" of [i.e. WITH] modern Judaism.
(Note: This is further proof, as if we need more, that the Vatican II sect is not the True Catholic Church, but instead is a counterfeit church, headed by imposters who have usurped Church property. -The Webmaster)"

If you can't see the bias, then you're a complete idiot.

what?
go over to america, get drunk, smash shit, get confused why chicks like are accent but fuck em' anyway.
thats an irish invasion. done of this war bollocks.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/cntrtop/margeoux10.jpg

Yep, God Bless 'Merca. :)

Too bad I'm not into 'chicks'.

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42, NIV)

This is from the sermon on the mount given by Jesus. Jesus encouraged us to forgive those who have sinned against us. Even on the cross he said "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do"

There is no way that Jesus himself would have condoned a regime that killed Jews simply for being Jews even if they were "Christ killing Pharisees" this is clear to me even though I'm not a Christian.

That's dozens of biblical quotes, Papal statements, and stuff by doctors and Saints of the Church. That is evidence.


Popes, Doctors and Saints are men. That is NOT evidence.

As for the biblical quotes, read them again. Either they have been chopped out of the Text or they state that GOD will judge. Not that man should judge.

I'm sure Hitler dreamed about flying off to his mountain retreat on a pink unicorn

ROFLMAO

http://moblog.co.uk/blogs/992/moblog_e8ad1425c9e22.jpg

Fourth Reich, I am not going to call you a troll. After all, you seem to be capable of forming an opinion based on your beliefs, and defending those opinions in a debate. Frankly, were I to post on Stormfront (and not get deleted) I would get a similar reaction. Therefore, despite the fact that your statements have earned you my hatred, I am prepared to engage in rational debate.

First, I am Jewish. I practice Judaism, I attend a Jewish school, I support the State of Israel, I wear a yarmulke, you get the idea. By your logic, I therefore should die. Now, I want you to say this blatantly, as if it was to my face. Do I deserve to die on the basis that I am a Jew?

Second, the blood libel is an utter and total lie, and would violate half the laws in the Torah. In a Jewish theocracy, if Jews did that, they would be executed, at minimum for murder, at worst for engaging in what could be called human sacrifice.

And I do not accept that people are responsible for the actions of their ancestors. Your statement that 'They were Jews, that is enough justification' is proof that by modern morality, Nazism is an evil philosophy. However, I feel that your morality is so different from ours, that to you, Nazism is good. I suspect we will reach an impasse - you base your opinions on principles that I do not accept, and I base my opinions on principles that you do not accept.

i advise reading mein kampf. hilarious retarded. with amazing plans like, get rid of siphilius by getting rid of prositution by getting rid and of the jews.

Truth be told, that is indeed one book I do want to read. It would give me a good insight into Hitler's mind that I never had before.

http://moblog.co.uk/blogs/992/moblog_e8ad1425c9e22.jpg
Zing!

It would give me a good insight into Hitler's mind that I never had before.

i imagine hitlers mind consisted of two bears gang raping a sea lion while kangis khan watches while eat some roses.

Out of curiosity, why go to the tremendous effort of reconciling Nazism with Christianity? I thought most Nazis had moved on to Asatru, or even Satanism, if not pure atheism/agnosticism.

I read the entire article and I still don't understand why my statement that Jesus was jewish is irrevalent. Please elaborate.

i imagine hitlers mind consisted of two bears gang raping a sea lion while kangis khan watches while eat some roses.
SIG'd. :D

I just can't believe that there really are some people who doesn't see anything wrong with the killing of 6-12 million people. *shudders*

Sad isn't it? Now I know why I am the way I am in trusting people. I wish people could learn the lessons of history. The world would be better off it did.

SIG'd. :D

again, i dont get forum slang. whats sig'd? how do i sid'd?

Are you expecting me to feel pity for you? :rolleyes:

Sick fuck.