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Dont you just hate them...I mean really they get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that. It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.

Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!

And In my country the GRAND USA...*Plays Anthem*.....sorry world people have fought and one to ban the 10 rule that god laid down...You cant even say the "under god" thing in schools anymore its flippin crazy. Religion is the heart of america and without god their is no country. AMEN!!!!! Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:

*gets sheild out for backlash!!*

Forgive spelling!

Popcorn anyone.... anyone?

*offers bag around while munching*

Person who guesses closest to his age wins a cookie.

I guess 11

Let things be; the reason why they're like that is because of your post.

You are a monkey, sitting on a rock, screaming at the next monkey along. The only people you meet when you die are worms.

No offense, but grow up. :D

Atheism exists because of the nature of humanity to have a balance in all apsects of life.

Let things be; the reason why they're like that is because of your post.

So if someone guesses he is 11, it makes him 11?
Or just fit the logical reasoning of someone who is 11?

And to the OP. No, I do not hate atheists.

Though I perhaps hold a slight disrespect for people that post things such as that..*squints at op* due to the misrepresentation of those that believe in a God, and who live in the USA.

I swear, we are not all crazy atheist hating Christians.

Also, we can say "under God". And even if it was banned, say it anyway. Who is going to stop you?

http://www.thewolfweb.com/photos/00446636.jpg

Popcorn anyone.... anyone?

*offers bag around while munching*

13 I win me want oreo cookie...


Really I want a mature chat with you fellow people on a very true topic...no games now!

Dont you just hate them...I mean really the get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that. It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.

Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!

And In my country the GRAND USA...*Plays Anthem*.....sorry world people have fought and one to ban the 10 rule that god laid down...You cant even say the "under god" thing in schools anymore its flippin crazy. Religion is the heart of america and without god their is no country. AMEN!!!!! Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:

*gets sheild out for backlash!!*

Forgive spelling!

and the cow jumped over the moon (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/698970/2/istockphoto_698970_the_cow_jumped_over_the_moon.jpg)

Atheism exists because of the nature of humanity to have a balance in all apsects of life.

I bought the fire hose, and beer!
*pulls up chair*

I used to have some bunnies, they were atheist. Are you saying you hate my bunnies? :eek:

I bought the fire hose, and beer!
*pulls up chair*

WET T-SHIRT CONTEST!! w00t!!

13 I win me want oreo cookie...


Really I want a mature chat with you fellow people on a very true topic...no games now!

I foresee..... 500+ posts that end in flames.....

I foresee..... 500+ posts that end in flames.....
I think this will end a lot sooner... Friz is a real rain cloud when push comes to shove with any parade.

I foresee..... 500+ posts that end in flames.....

That might be a little high!

WET T-SHIRT CONTEST!! w00t!!

Wasn't quite what I was thinking but what the hell.:cool:

Dont you just hate them...I mean really the get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that. It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.

I'll answer that when you tell me where your god came from.

lol

Ah, jeez.

Really I want a mature chat with you fellow people on a very true topic...no games now!
If you wanted a mature discussion, then you should reconsider your post because it's a bald-faced attack on those who hold atheistic beliefs.

FYI - I am an atheist, and I found it very offensive, so, now I will run amok in your thread and make a general pest of myself because your thread has offended me and the best thing I can do without getting into trouble is to hijack it.

Wasn't quite what I was thinking but what the hell.:cool:
Hmm... *dresses in tight t-shirt and shorts* Ok... READY!

I think this will end a lot sooner... Friz is a real rain cloud when push comes to shove with any parade.

Aww... :( But i'm just trying to light the BBQ. Hope he waits 'til I get the hotdogs on to share 'round.

13 I win me want oreo cookie...

You don't count as its not a guess.

Ok how can you not belive in an higher power?
Because I have no evidence of a higher power.
Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that.
The correct answer is "I don't know."
It all boils down that their is a god out their.
Because you don't have another adequate explanation you jump to the most convenient conclusion? Sure, that's compelling...
Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.
But it does make it wrong to say it is.

Theism is irrational.
Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...
Because I enjoy being right.
When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!
Now here's my question: Why do you believe that?

So if someone guesses he is 11, it makes him 11?
Or just fit the logical reasoning of someone who is 11?

What? I was saying that when people say things like in his post, people are Atheist (some people do that).

Why do you hate me? How does my sense of the universe in any affect the quality of your life? How does it harm you?

Now I can point to the way that oppressive god believers have affected the quality of my life, but that's because they have real political power in the US. But atheists? Large groups of people in the US hate us more than they hate homosexuals. So spare me the fucking whining. You're part of the problem.

Hmm... *dresses in tight t-shirt and shorts* Ok... READY!

*aims hose*

Right now we just need someone to turn the water on. Anyone?

FYI - I am an atheist, and I found it very offensive, so, now I will run amok in your thread and make a general pest of myself because your thread has offended me and the best thing I can do without getting into trouble is to hijack it.

Exhibit 1.

no, they do not get on my nerves, i happen to be one. fundamentalist on the other hand piss me off a lot. and so does your pathetic attempt at trolling.

Theism is irrational.


So is Atheism, the most rational approach is agnosticism.

You don't count as its not a guess.

ok, I guess er......13!

Why do you hate me? How does my sense of the universe in any affect the quality of your life? How does it harm you?

Now I can point to the way that oppressive god believers have affected the quality of my life, but that's because they have real political power in the US. But atheists? Large groups of people in the US hate us more than they hate homosexuals. So spare me the fucking whining. You're part of the problem.
Don't answer him - HIJACK THE FREAKIN' THREAD!

C'mon, turn on the water! I wanna be soaked! Wee!

Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!
That's perhaps the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard. If she's really an atheist, she obviously doesn't believe in heaven and angels. :rolleyes:
Okay, I'll bite.
Two things:
Do you have ANY proof for the existence of god? Any at all?
A God who condemns millions of people to hell for not believing in him is not a nice being.
Answers pl0x.

So is Atheism, the most rational approach is agnosticism.
Atheism is simply the negation of theism. I would count agnosticism as a subset of atheism.

There are some on this board who claim that it's possible to be an agnostic theist, but I don't see how.

Theists believe.
Atheists don't believe.
Agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve. That makes agnosticism a subset of atheism.

Really I want a mature chat with you fellow people on a very true topic...no games now!

And you opened the thread with what you did?

*aims hose*

Right now we just need someone to turn the water on. Anyone?

*cuts the hose*

<.<

>.>

*flees*

As for hijacking the thread...
This question of atheism clearly brings to light the oppressed state of Guam.
All those in favour of freeing Guam say 'Aye!'.
Those who are not in favour...don't answer, you are clearly delusional.

Why do you hate me? How does my sense of the universe in any affect the quality of your life? How does it harm you?

Now I can point to the way that oppressive god believers have affected the quality of my life, but that's because they have real political power in the US. But atheists? Large groups of people in the US hate us more than they hate homosexuals. So spare me the fucking whining. You're part of the problem.

Well sorry...and how am i part of the problem. If your type would stop trying to shove their hatefull ways into our throats them mybe i wouldnt have a problem..and the only things to fix is people like you!

*cuts the hose*

<.<

>.>

*flees*

*pouts*... I'm dry! HOW DARE I NOT BE WET!

*finds a soft mallet and chases after Intra*

While this guy is an obvious troll, I'd like to make a point.

I'm an atheist BECAUSE of Christians like him.

*cuts the hose*

<.<

>.>

*flees*

HEY!

*chases after him using cut hose as wip*

Well sorry...and how am i part of the problem. If your type would stop trying to shove their hatefull ways into our throats them mybe i wouldnt have a problem..and the only things to fix is people like you!
I love the smell of irony in the morning.
Seriously, saying that is like complaining how Jews tried to force their beliefs onto citizens of Nazi Germany.

Well sorry...and how am i part of the problem. If your type would stop trying to shove their hatefull ways into our throats them mybe i wouldnt have a problem..and the only things to fix is people like you!
Actually, the 'shoving' happens on both sides. It just happens to be that 'your type' do it more. Atheists don't have "hateful ways"; just different.

Your doing your side no justice with that type of hostile speak.

Hmm... *runs amok*

Because I have no evidence of a higher power.

The correct answer is "I don't know."

Because you don't have another adequate explanation you jump to the most convenient conclusion? Sure, that's compelling...

But it does make it wrong to say it is.

Theism is irrational.

Because I enjoy being right.

Now here's my question: Why do you believe that?

Have you read the bible..seven days...it all goes together and proves their is a god!!!

If the existance of the universe requires a creator, then does that creator not require a creator of it's own?

Actually, the 'shoving' happens on both sides. It just happens to be that 'your type' do it more. Atheists don't have "hateful ways"; just different.

Your doing your side no justice with that type of hostile speak.

Hmm... *runs amok*

*walks away*

Atheism is simply the negation of theism. I would count agnosticism as a subset of atheism.

There are some on this board who claim that it's possible to be an agnostic theist, but I don't see how.

Theists believe.
Atheists don't believe.
Agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve. That makes agnosticism a subset of atheism.


An agnostic simply does not know whether or not god exists. I usually consider it to be a seperate entity from both atheism and theism. My main point is that you cannot empiracally prove or disprove god.

While this guy is an obvious troll, I'd like to make a point.

I'm an atheist BECAUSE of Christians like him.

Nah, no troll. Just someone with an opinion that is virulent and staunchly entrenched with no hope of a compromise. Not a troll though.

Have you read the bible..seven days...it all goes together and proves their is a god!!!
So... your platform is that a God exists because... a book told you so. Riiiiiigggghhhht. In other news, there is a magical school for witchcraft and wizardry hidden away in the English countryside.

Person who guesses closest to his age wins a cookie.

I guess 11

no. let's try to guess his species. i say he's a troll.

So... your platform is that a God exists because... a book told you so. Riiiiiigggghhhht. In other news, there is a magical school for witchcraft and wizardry hidden away in the English countryside.

Wait, you mean there is, COOL.

no. let's try to guess his species. i say he's a monkey.

cant be mean to a kid!

*walks away*

No.. you better run punk! run I say!:p

*flees for his life from the hose-whip and mallet weilding lunatics*

Have you read the bible..seven days...it all goes together and proves their is a god!!!

but the bible is a work of fiction.

In other news, there is a magical school for witchcraft and wizardry hidden away in the English countryside.

SShhhhh! Don't help muggles!

Have you read the bible..seven days...it all goes together and proves their is a god!!!
I have actually read the bible. Cover to cover (the new testament is boring). Have you?

I could write a story about how I created the universe in 7 days - that wouldn't make it true. Why do you trust the bible? How do you know the bible isn't lying to you?

Oops, I think I said too much.
*throws smoke grenades and runs*

cant be mean to a kid!

now don't you misquote me.

no. let's try to guess his species. i say he's a monkey.
Hey, I said that first!

I don't pretend to have read the Super-Awesome Book of Ultimate Truth cover to cover, but some of that Old Testament stuff is pretty good. Could probably make movies about it.

Again.

Have you read the bible..seven days...it all goes together and proves their is a god!!!
In the Scopes Monkey Trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Monkey_Trial), that was disputed. One of the witnesses called to testify was asked if the world had really been created in seven days as we know it...

There was no real way to prove that it was seven days as in seven human days, or seven days in another sense. So, how can those all go together to prove a God if there is no real way to prove the 'seven days' for creation? Seven days could be seven literal days, years or an immeasureable amount of time.

Darrows Cross Examines Bryan (http://personal.uncc.edu/jmarks/Darrow.html).

An agnostic simply does not know whether or not god exists.
I would say he doesn't believe. I don't think anyone KNOWS.
I usually consider it to be a seperate entity from both atheism and theism.
Which is silly. Atheism is merely the negation of theism.
My main point is that you cannot empiracally prove or disprove god.
I do count myself an agnostic, and I think it the only rational position (as you do). However, you've gone a bit beyond reason to believe that one CANNOT prove or disprove god, whereas I merely insist that I haven't yet.

SShhhhh! Don't help muggles!
don't tell me you believe everthing you read.

No.. you better run punk! run I say!:p

*flees for his life from the hose-whip and mallet weilding lunatics*

Mwahahahahahaha

don't tell me you believe everthing you read.
Don't tell me YOU believe everything you read :p
Sarcasm, old chap.

now don't you misquote me.

Low. Very low.

You learn from Ocean too well.

don't tell me you believe everthing you read.

BELIEVE! :D

*cuts the hose*

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*flees*

As for hijacking the thread...
This question of atheism clearly brings to light the oppressed state of Guam.
All those in favour of freeing Guam say 'Aye!'.
Those who are not in favour...don't answer, you are clearly delusional.

do a majority of guamians want independance? i am firmly in favor of releasing any possession that requests it in a fair and free vote.

but then, im an atheist, my opinion must be wrong.

I would say he doesn't believe. I don't think anyone KNOWS.

Why agnosticism cannot be a shared position with atheists or theists. Agnosticism precludes both.

I do count myself an agnostic, and I think it the only rational position (as you do). However, you've gone a bit beyond reason to believe that one CANNOT prove or disprove god, whereas I merely insist that I haven't yet.

Why is it beyond reason to state that one cannot prove or disprove a god's existence?

BELIEVE! :D

but there is no wizard school in the english countrside.

howeverm there is a sith hideout in a secret annexe somewhere in Warsaw

Dont you just hate them...I mean really they get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that. It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their. nope, I love em. they are free to decide whether or not to believe, they can test your faith, and often times, they strengthen your faith. It's a joy to see an athiest find God, and it's a pleasure to talk to them.

Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!so she's an Athiest who believes in Heaven and Angels???? I think she's pulling your leg.

[snip]
why so much hatred?

Have you read the bible..seven days...it all goes together and proves their is a god!!!

Because obviously if its written down in a book it must be true, much the way that everything the news tells us is 100% accurate.

Your post is also exceedingly unappropriate.
Not only is it riddled with bad grammar, it is also very antagonistic.
You're a thirteen year old with grand ideas of an idealistic world.
Grand USA? Please.

I don't really care what you believe in, but don't go around spreading mindless, self-indulging hate.

Well sorry...and how am i part of the problem. If your type would stop trying to shove their hatefull ways into our throats them mybe i wouldnt have a problem..and the only things to fix is people like you!

Here's why you're part of the problem. You act like a freaking martyr when your allies--fellow god-believers--are 90% of the population. You complain because atheists dare even exist, much less live openly and proudly. You're the religious equivalent of a racist, and if you don't like hearing that, tough shit. It's the truth.

but there is no wizard school in the english countrside.

howeverm there is a sith hideout in a secret annexe somewhere in Warsaw

*draws lightsaber*

Point me to it!

why so much hatred?
Probably because they have yet to grow and learn.

but there is no wizard school in the english countrside.

howeverm there is a sith hideout in a secret annexe somewhere in Warsaw
*rearranges Swilatia's mind with the dark power of the Force*

Really I want a mature chat with you fellow people on a very true topic...no games now!
well, you lost any hope of that with that first post. :)

I don't really care what you believe in, but don't go around spreading mindless, self-indulging hate.
QFT.

If the existance of the universe requires a creator, then does that creator not require a creator of it's own?

It is at this point that most if not all arguments fall apart.

An agnostic simply does not know whether or not god exists. I usually consider it to be a seperate entity from both atheism and theism. My main point is that you cannot empiracally prove or disprove god.

Isn't the point of agnosticism that you can't prove it either way, so it doesn't really matter? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

well, you lost any hope of that with that first post. :)
Junii, my dear, care to join us in hijacking this thread?

Isn't the point of agnosticism that you can't prove it either way, so it doesn't really matter? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Nope, I think you have got it spot on.

Probably because they have yet to grow and learn.

and who is "They?" =.=

Junii, my dear, care to join us in hijacking this thread?

I considered it well Hijacked a loong time ago. so to Hijack a Hijacked thread would be to put it back on topic.... I think...

and who is "They?" =.=

'They' being people like Markiria.

Junii, my dear, care to join us in hijacking this thread?

Yeah, come join us we have popcorn, coke, beer and we we're going to have a wet T-shirt compation unitl someone (naming no names Intra-Muros) cut the hose.

I considered it well Hijacked a loong time ago. so to Hijack and Hijacked thread would be to put it back on topic.... I think...

No, it would simply reduce it to a pile of spam.

and who is "They?" =.=

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/They

My work is done here.

'They' being people like Markiria.and what do you mean by people like Markiria... a Christian? A fundie? a n00b? what?

Yeah, come join us we have popcorn, coke, beer and we we're going to have a wet T-shirt compation unitl someone (naming no names Intra-Muros) cut the hose. ... but all my T-shirts are dry!

No, it would simply reduce it to a pile of spam.mmmmmm.... me likey spam... *Cooks the Rice*

Dont you just hate them...I mean really they get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that. It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.

Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!

And In my country the GRAND USA...*Plays Anthem*.....sorry world people have fought and one to ban the 10 rule that god laid down...You cant even say the "under god" thing in schools anymore its flippin crazy. Religion is the heart of america and without god their is no country. AMEN!!!!! Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:

*gets sheild out for backlash!!*

Forgive spelling!

Once you go off to college, and learn how "Grand" the US is, and how "Great" our history is, you probably won't say it. We have several black marks in our past, which many high-school history classes fail to note. About the only one that is ever acknowledged is Slavery, which is quite hard to put under a blanket.

Genocide(Native Americans), provoking war for land(Mexican-American War), concentration camps(WWII Japanese, Germans, and Italians), general uncaring of what happens in the world(WWI and WWII), and many, many more. Hardly grand, freedom loving, or peaceful.

Of course, you are probably forcefed the "America is a Super-Happy Fuzzy Bunny, which loves Freedom and is friends with Evwee-body" history.

and what do you mean by people like Markiria... a Christian? A fundie? a n00b? what?
A fundamentalist. I won't go after religion, since this type of ignorance can occur in any religion... (well.. except Buddhism... and maybe a couple of those new ages ones and an eastern one......)

*draws lightsaber*

Point me to it!

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8871/sadfhjje1.png
find the circled building. the secret annex is somewhere inside it.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8871/sadfhjje1.png
find the circled building. the secret annex is somewhere inside it.

Can we make thjat a smouldering crater? :p

DARROW: Can you answer my question?

BRYAN: When you let me finish the statement.

DARROW: It is a simple question, but finish it.

BRYAN: You cannot measure the length of my answer by the length of your question. [Laughter.]

DARROW: No, except that the answer will be longer. [Laughter.]

BRYAN: I believe that the Bible is inspired, and an inspired author, whether one who wrote as he was directed to write, understood the things he was writing about, I don't know.

DARROW: Whoever inspired it, do you think whoever inspired it believed that the sun went around the earth?

BRYAN: I believe it was inspired by the Almighty, and he may have used language that could be understood at that time, instead of using language that could not be understood until Darrow was born. [Laughter and applause.]
Pwned.
Counter-pwned.
Counter-Counter pwned.

Of course, Darrows crushed Bryan; who had a stroke and died a few days later.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8871/sadfhjje1.png
find the circled building. the secret annex is somewhere inside it.

That looks like a car park, you saying that the most feared foe of jedi kid is hiding under a carpark?

Dont you just hate them...I mean really they get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that. It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.

Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!

And In my country the GRAND USA...*Plays Anthem*.....sorry world people have fought and one to ban the 10 rule that god laid down...You cant even say the "under god" thing in schools anymore its flippin crazy. Religion is the heart of america and without god their is no country. AMEN!!!!! Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:

*gets sheild out for backlash!!*

Forgive spelling!


Wow, that's just, complete and total bigotry on your part.

First off, you know ONE Atheist, who happens to be bitter and resentful. That's something Atheists often grow out of, and it's usually shown by those who recently lost faith. If one were to use the same logic you do, one could conclude that all Christians are dogmatic, intolerant, and unforgiving. All three directly oppose the teachings Christians claim to follow.

Not everything "points" to this close-minded and narrow view of this world.

On that note,

Really I want a mature chat with you fellow people on a very true topic...no games now!

If you wish for a mature topic, perhaps you should start with one.

As it appears the thread has been cluttered and filled, this post is likely to be lost in anonymity, making it unnecessary to complete this point.

That looks like a car park, you saying that the most feared foe of jedi kid is hiding under a carpark?

but it;s not. it's a railway station. but we are not hiding there, we tried to trick you. we are in the next building. the blue one.

That looks like a car park, you saying that the most feared foe of jedi kid is hiding under a carpark?
That's what I thought when I looked at it too.

but it;s not. it's a railway station.

You sure? I don't see any trains.

Anyway who cares where it is, we must destroy them, who's with me?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as we're alive, the one thing we need to worry about the most is that we remain that way. Alive. According to all religions that I know of, salvation, enlightenment, etc. can be acheived at any point during our lifetimes, giving us (hopefully) enough time to pick a religion to follow.


...but knowing my luck everybody's going to ignore this.

You sure? I don't see any trains.

Anyway who cares where it is, we must destroy them, who's with me?

because the trains run underground. no, it is not a metro.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as we're alive, the one thing we need to worry about the most is that we remain that way. Alive. According to all religions that I know of, salvation, enlightenment, etc. can be acheived at any point during our lifetimes, giving us (hopefully) enough time to pick a religion to follow.


Hear hear!

Have you read the bible..seven days...it all goes together and proves their is a god!!!

Or does it?

After reading a link I posted, I have found this from the trial I previously mentioned and it debunks your statement of 'seven days'.

(link: Scopes Monkey Trial: Darrow Cross-examines Bryan (http://personal.uncc.edu/jmarks/Darrow.html))

DARROW: Would you say the earth was only 4,000 years old?

BRYAN: Oh no, I think it is much older than that.

DARROW: How much?

BRYAN: I couldn't say.

DARROW: Do you say whether the Bible itself says it is older than that?

BRYAN: I don't think the Bible says itself whether it is older or not.

DARROW: Do you think the earth was made in six days?

BRYAN: Not six days of twenty-four hours.

DARROW: Doesn't it say so?

BRYAN: No, sir.

DARROW: You think these were not literal days?

BRYAN: I do not think they were 24-hour days.

DARROW: What do you think about it?

BRYAN: That is my opinion -- I do not know that my opinion is better on that subject than those who think it does.

DARROW: You do not think that?

BRYAN: No. But I think it would be just as easy for the kind of God we believe in to make the earth in six days as in six years or in six million years or in six hundred million years. I do not think it important whether we believe one or the other.

DARROW: Do you think those were literal days?

BRYAN: My impression is they were periods, but I would not attempt to argue as against anybody who wanted to believe in literal days.

DARROW: Have you any idea of the length of the periods?

BRYAN: No I don't.

DARROW: Do you think the sun was made on the fourth day?

BRYAN: Yes.

DARROW: And they had evening and morning without the sun?

BRYAN: I am simply saying it is a period.

DARROW: They had evening and morning for four periods without the sun, do you think?

BRYAN: I believe in creation as there told, and if I am not able to explain it, I will accept it.

DARROW: Then you can explain it to suit yourself. Mr. Bryan, what I want to know is, do you believe the sun was made on the fourth day?

BRYAN: I believe just as it says there.

Yes, this is about creation, but, it does address what was said.

Why am I posting this? It is the first time that the Bible had been questioned like this. It also makes the point that we can't tell if God truly exists because there are too many inconsistancies and if God tru;y did exist, then why would we have to even question his existance, or for that matter not believe in him at all?

Hear hear!

Awesome! Somebody listened!

*Reads the thread* I'm confused, are we talking about trolling atheist Sith living in a carpark in Warsaw who have stopped all wet t-shirt contests by chopping up the fire hoses with their light sabers? :confused:

*Reads the thread* I'm confused, are we talking about trolling atheist Sith living in a carpark in Warsaw who have stopped all wet t-shirt contests by chopping up the fire hoses with their light sabers? :confused:

yep, are you with us?

yep, are you with us?
With you for what? Destorying the Sith or helping it?

Awesome! Somebody listened!

One person... ;) The rest of us just read it and didn't "listen"....

BRYAN:...Now, Mr. Darrow, you asked me if I knew anything about Buddha.

DARROW: You want to make a speech on Buddha, too?

BRYAN: No sir, I want to answer your question on Buddha.

DARROW: I asked you if you knew anything about him.

BRYAN: I do.

DARROW: Well, that's answered, then.

BRYAN: Buddha...

DARROW: Well, wait a minute. You answered the question.

RAULSTON: I will let him tell what he knows.

DARROW: All he knows?

RAULSTON: Well, I don't know about that.

BRYAN: I won't insist on telling all I know. I will tell more than Mr. Darrow wants told.

DARROW: Well, all right, tell it. I don't care.

BRYAN: Buddhism is an agnostic religion.

DARROW: To what? What do you mean by "agnostic"?

BRYAN: I don't know.

DARROW: You don't know what you mean?

BRYAN: That is what "agnosticism" is -- "I don't know".

This is some funny stuff sometimes; no matter to its historical and theological significance.

With you for what? Destorying the Sith or helping it?

Destroying it of course1 we have the HQ targeted and just await reinforcement.

A fundamentalist. I won't go after religion, since this type of ignorance can occur in any religion... (well.. except Buddhism... and maybe a couple of those new ages ones and an eastern one......)

ok... just making sure. People tend to Lump Fundies with ALL of Christianity. :)

This is some funny stuff sometimes; no matter to its historical and theological significance.
That's why I plodded through... normally this kind of thing is dry, but this one is actually amusing.

One person... ;) The rest of us just read it and didn't "listen"....

I read it, I was just busy planning an attack to reply.

And for the record I agree.

ok... just making sure. People tend to Lump Fundies with ALL of Christianity. :)

I learned not to a long time ago because my best friend is Muslim and I'd never lump her with the insane fundy Muslims. :)

Dont you just hate them...I mean really they get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that.

That's stacking turtles... if everything has a beginning, doesnt god have to have a beginning? Why is it okay to say that god can always have been there but not matter and energy in some form? Also, I think you've got your theories fuddled. No scientific theorem says that gas made the universe, they say that hydrogen gas was the first atom in the universe (and the fusion in large stars gave birth to the other elements)

It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.

It doesn't boil down to that at all... that's a god of the gaps arguments, a logical fallacy. Just because theory A. is false doesn't mean theory B. is trues. Further more, you're trying to say that because we haven't solved the problem yet means that it is unsolvable. If you really look at that, you'll surely realize it's wrong and vaguley arrogant.

Lastly, I don't think there's any genuine atheists out there who base their entire (lack of) "belief" (although it's not really a belief so much as a logical conjecture) that god is nonexistant because he's not there.


Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point

"I know a christian that hates jews, therefore all christians hate jews"

she HATES god

Then your friend isn't an atheist... you can't hate what you do not accept to be real (different from what you accept to be true... you can hate the missionary practice of baptising babies then killing them to ensure passage into heaven without "accepting" its validity)


and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......

Sounds more like she might be kidding...

People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!

Have you read the bible? I mean really picked it up and studied it. There isn't much you can't go to hell for.

And In my country the GRAND USA...*Plays Anthem*.....

Just to remind you, this country was founded on secular principles predominatley by men who despised the christian church. You have no more claim to this country than any other american.

to ban the 10 rule that god laid down...

No one's trying to do that... they're trying to prevent government funds from going to a useless religious installation peice that serves no real purpose.


You cant even say the "under god" thing in schools anymore its flippin crazy.

...That's just not true

Religion is the heart of america and without god their is no country. AMEN!!!!!

What's the rational behind that? I can say that racism is the heart of this country, that doesnt make it true (and even if it did, that wouldnt make it a good thing)

Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...

"People who don't like to have their beliefs laughed at should stop having such funny beliefs" -douglas adams (author of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, taken from the salmon of doubt)

As for why I don't believe in anything, it's because of the overwhelming evidence against any form of a theistic entitiy, espeacially that of any organized religion's.

When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:

You're going to be right there beside be bub.

Junii, my dear, care to join us in hijacking this thread?

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Yay! Snake rules! :) :) :) :)

So... your platform is that a God exists because... a book told you so. Riiiiiigggghhhht. In other news, there is a magical school for witchcraft and wizardry hidden away in the English countryside.

its actully the scottish countryside but ill let you off

on to the point about the op, i am a Catholic but i do not try to ram my beliefs down other peoples throuts, and with gas where that comes from go consort a science dictionary, or wait is science a blasphemous 'relegion' or 'cult' to you, its people liek ypu that make me despise fundamentalists, i dont mind what our belief is but dont try and tell the rest of us were wrong, thats what relegion and especially christianity is about choice so let people choise thier own ways

You are a monkey, sitting on a rock, screaming at the next monkey along. The only people you meet when you die are worms.

No offense, but grow up. :D
No offense, but if you could actually prove what you say, I might be inclined to listen. Until then I will freely follow my beliefs, just as you freely follow yours. :D

Having read Inherit the Wind a sufficient number of times, I was amazed how dissimilar the crossexamination of Bryans was in real life to it.

Then again, Inherit the Wind is the greatest play of all time.

hey! what happened to the discussion about the sith hideout below the railway station?

hey! what happened to the discussion about the sith hideout below the railway station?
*waves hand*
You don't need to know about the sith hideout.

hey! what happened to the discussion about the sith hideout below the railway station?

I'm awaiting reinforcements, there was been noone yet.

*waves hand*
You don't need to know about the sith hideout.

yeah, after all, i'm posting from it.

hey! what happened to the discussion about the sith hideout below the railway station?
Discussion? What discussion? There was no such thing!

*waves hand*
You don't need to know about the sith hideout.

*waves hand*
Yes he does.

Discussion? What discussion? There was no such thing!

maybe you missed it.

We had even located it in warsall under a carpark/trainstation.

maybe you missed it.

No I didn't... I merely suggested we make a smouldering crater out of it... ;)

Damnit... I meant to say the loud par quiet and the quiet part loud...

I'm awaiting reinforcements, there was been noone yet.

sorry... I was on my way, but Airport security arrested me when they found my lightsaber.


I told them not to push the button... but noooo... they had to push that %#@%&$% button...

by the way... this is my one phone call... can you send someone to pick me up? I'm at the San Fransico airport.

We had even located it in warsaw under a railway staion.

corrected your post.

sorry... I was on my way, but Airport security arrested me when they found my lightsaber.


I told them not to push the button... but noooo... they had to push that %#@%&$% button...

by the way... this is my one phone call... can you send someone to pick me up? I'm at the San Fransico airport.

Ok no problem I'm sure Kryozerkia can pick you up in his space ship that he seems to be insiting on using.

sorry... I was on my way, but Airport security arrested me when they found my lightsaber.


I told them not to push the button... but noooo... they had to push that %#@%&$% button...

by the way... this is my one phone call... can you send someone to pick me up? I'm at the San Fransico airport.
what? Warsaw airport deosent have securiy.

wait. youre at the port you are departing from.

*waves hand*
Yes he does.
You do not know the power of the dark side.
*force-chokes*

This thread sucks.

While this guy is an obvious troll, I'd like to make a point.

I'm an atheist BECAUSE of Christians like him.

Well that's nice. It's good to know that at least you think for yourself, and don't choose what to believe as a reaction to others. :rolleyes:

what? Warsaw airport deosent have securiy.

wait. youre at the port you are departing from.

pay attention, hes at San Fransico airport.

This thread sucks.

what do you mean?

You do not know the power of the dark side.
*force-chokes*

*while choking*I could do with a hand here guys.

*while choking*I could do with a hand here guys.

*claps*

what do you mean?

I mean it just hopped off the screen and fellated me. What else could I have meant?

*cuts off a bystander's hand and tosses it at him*

I mean it just hopped off the screen and fellated me. What else could I have meant?

Cool, I never had one do that.:p

*cuts off a bystander's hand and tosses it at him*

har har har very funny, now help me.:D

who are you choking.

Ne pas les faire manger!

Vilains enfants, ayez honte...

Ne pas les faire manger!

Vilains enfants, ayez honte...

er... ok.:confused:

er... ok.:confused:

It's French. The second sentence is something like "Wretched child, have you no shame?" My French is very rusty.

er... ok.:confused:

his quote translated: Not to make them eat! Unpleasant children, have shame…
plz note: I used babelfish, so the translation may not be correct.

It's French. The second sentence is something like "Wretched child, have you no shame?" My French is very rusty.

Ah that explains it, I only took german.

his quote translated: Not to make them eat! Unpleasant children, have shame…
plz note: I used babelfish, so the translation may not be correct.

Close, but no cigar.

"Do not feed them!

Bad children, shame on you..."

*attempting to staunch the blood spurting out of the bystanders now reduced arm*

Hey, can ye toss that back over here?

Oh, if you got any electrical tape on you it would be good.

Close, but no cigar.

"Do not feed them!

Bad children, shame on you..."

so are you talking about the troll that we hijacked this tread from?
If so then your too late.

Hey, if it provides a cohesive belief system for you, go ahead with it. Just don't say it's true or try to force it on others, and you'll be okay just like anyone else with some kind of belief in regard to the existence God.

Atheists can be great people or jackasses just like anyone else.

Hey, if it provides a cohesive belief system for you, go ahead with it. Just don't say it's true or try to force it on others, and you'll be okay just like anyone else with some kind of belief in regard to the existence God.

Atheists can be great people or jackasses just like anyone else.

enough about the main topic. the threads gone from that now.

Close, but no cigar.

"Do not feed them!

Bad children, shame on you..."

Technically we aren't feeding it. We're just ignoring it pointedly.

*attempting to staunch the blood spurting out of the bystanders now reduced arm*

Hey, can ye toss that back over here?

Oh, if you got any electrical tape on you it would be good.

I'm sorry its not in a very good condition I had to us it to beat Hamilay over the head with it.

*tosses the hand back*

Oh and there was a tread around here some where but it seem to have dissappeared.

*staggers around concussedly after being beaten with severed hand*

could some-one tell me what is going on now?

Thread, oh yea that might help.

*pulls out a nail*

Toss that thread over here and I'll stitch this thing right up.

*bystander passes out*

could some-one tell me what is going on now?

Sadly, probably not.

could some-one tell me what is going on now?

We're invading a sith hideout remember?

*nicks Hamilays shoes* here Intra-Muros use the laces from these it might help.

We're invading a sith hideout remember?

*nicks Hamilays shoes* here Intra-Muros use the laces from these it might help.

no, you have not found it.

*sets the hand on fire, stuffs the laces down the bystanders mouth and pushes the stub of the arm into the individuals pants pocket*

Alright, now that is something they don't teach you in medical school.

no, you have not found it.

but but but you pointed it out on the map!:(

no, you have not found it.

I used Hogwarts, Beauxbatons, and Durmstrang to triangulate its location. When I finished that, the elves of Tir Na Nog corrected my vectors for magical bends in time and space, and the Keebler elves baked me cookies with a map to the hide out.

Unfortunately I ate them... So we'll start looking in Moscow, IMO.

While you all were rambling I killed the Sith and devoured their souls.

To Moscow, Comrades!

but but but you pointed it out on the map!:(
[Ackbar voice] It was a trap! [/Ackbar voice]

[Ackbar voice] It was a trap! [/Ackbar voice]

Ahhh, fall back, fall back!

Regroup in Moscow.

Oh and good work Intra-Muros on the delicate surgery you performed.

Ahhh, fall back, fall back!

Regroup in Moscow.

Oh and good work Intra-Muros on the delicate surgery you performed.

*salutes*
Merely doing my duty sir.

Recent intel:
This man and his alter-ego may be behind the plot to set fire to..threads..and moscow..
For the Motherland!

http://www.geargeek.net/images/popepalpatine.jpg

enough about the main topic. the threads gone from that now.

Yeah, it looks like any attempt to bring it back is long gone.

*salutes*
Merely doing my duty sir.

Recent intel:
This man and his alter-ego may be behind the plot to set fire to..threads..and moscow..
For the Motherland!

http://www.geargeek.net/images/popepalpatine.jpg

Surely we should be heading to Rome then?

Or are we to regroup and rearm in moscow?

Yeah, it looks like any attempt to bring it back is long gone.

I my be able to resurrect it!
*takes out a nine battery, a coat hanger, and some whisky*


*flaps arms at the people*

Stand back everyone.

Forget that..*pours some whisky over the battery and puts the end to his tongue*
Ah, like being shot in the leg without the bleeding or the pain..


Rearm in Moscow, dress as the Swiss Guard..er, you do that part, the colours don't suit my self image.. then, *poof*.

*salutes*
Merely doing my duty sir.

Recent intel:
This man and his alter-ego may be behind the plot to set fire to..threads..and moscow..
For the Motherland!

http://www.geargeek.net/images/popepalpatine.jpg
There seems to be a huge rush of Pope Palpatine pictures today.

It's been a while since a thread has been deemed worthy of this, but here it is.
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/117215

It's been a while since a thread has been deemed worthy of this, but here it is.
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/117215
LOL! :D

It's been a while since a thread has been deemed worthy of this, but here it is.
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/117215

We do try. :D

We have recieved funding from a game show! Aha, the movement is saved!

*starts tossing TnT to people*

We have recieved funding from a game show! Aha, the movement is saved!

*starts tossing TnT to people*

*takes shelter under the nearest umbrella from the inevitable body shower*

Atheist!!

Dont you just hate them...

No

And I seem to recall that your Savior said something about loving everyone somewhere in that book you claim to live your life by.
Look it up sometime!


I mean really they get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power?

It's easy if you try.
No Hell below us
Above us only sky.
Imagine all the people living for today.


Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that.


Using your own logic I have but one question I would like you to answer oh wise one.
Who made God?


It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.


Why is it that God chose to only reveal himself to a certain group of people at a certain time in the long history of mankind?
Why is it, if I say God talks to me, that I get a full medical and psychological workup and get put on meds, but some sheep herder 2000 years ago can write this stuff down and be believed without question?


And In my country the GRAND USA...*Plays Anthem*.....sorry world people have fought and one to ban the 10 rule that god laid down...You cant even say the "under god" thing in schools anymore its flippin crazy. Religion is the heart of america and without the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of indigenous natives their is no country. AMEN!!!!!

Fixed!
Oh but they, my ancestors, were just dirty heathen savages that did not know Christ and so deserved to be slaughtered and have their lands stolen from them.
How very Christian!


Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:

*gets sheild out for backlash!!*

I refuse to worship anything that would condemn my soul (if there is such a thing) to eternal damnation (ie torture) for the simple act of questioning whether it exists.
If God has anything that he would like me to know I am sure that he is capable of getting the message to me without using a 2,000 year old book filled with contradictions.
And I am damn sure that he would not be using such "messengers" as the "Reverend" Pat Robertson and the "Reverend" Fred Phelps!


Forgive spelling!
Spell check is so easy to use...give it, and critical thinking, a try sometime.
You might find both useful as you get older.

No

And I seem to recall that your Savior said something about loving everyone somewhere in that book you claim to live your life by.
Look it up sometime!



It's easy if you try.
No Hell below us
Above us only sky.
Imagine all the people living for today.



Using your own logic I have but one question I would like you to answer oh wise one.
Who made God?



Why is it that God chose to only reveal himself to a certain group of people at a certain time in the long history of mankind?
Why is it, if I say God talks to me, that I get a full medical and psychological workup and get put on meds, but some sheep herder 2000 years ago can write this stuff down and be believed without question?



Fixed!
Oh but they, my ancestors, were just dirty heathen savages that did not know Christ and so deserved to be slaughtered and have their lands stolen from them.
How very Christian!


I refuse to worship anything that would condemn my soul (if there is such a thing) to eternal damnation (ie torture) for the simple act of questioning whether it exists.
If God has anything that he would like me to know I am sure that he is capable of getting the message to me without using a 2,000 year old book filled with contradictions.
And I am damn sure that he would not be using such "messengers" as the "Reverend" Pat Robertson and the "Reverend" Fred Phelps!


Spell check is so easy to use...give it, and critical thinking, a try sometime.
You might find both useful as you get older.

Intra-Muros you shall now take the title of Jesus, you managed to bring the tread back to life (even if it did take a page or so to do it);)

Intra-Muros I now respect you as Jesus, you managed to bring the tread back to life (even if it did take a page or so to do it);)
But... but... it's this thread. LOOK AT THE TOPIC. He's not Jesus, he's Satan! :eek:

Why is it, if I say God talks to me, that I get a full medical and psychological workup and get put on meds, but some sheep herder 2000 years ago can write this stuff down and be believed without question?

Sometimes, I really think that there's some truth to that. I wonder if there have been any new religious revelations suppressed because the people were considered crazy rather than divinely inspired. It's not that they were crazy but rather that God really was talking to them...that would be disturbingly ironic, to say the least.

I mean, 1400 years is a long wait since the last major religion came around, and no offense but spirituality has long since surpassed conventional religious development. Except perhaps the dharmic religions, which are still fresh but that has more to do with their structures than anything else.

Well sorry...and how am i part of the problem. If your type would stop trying to shove their hatefull ways into our throats them mybe i wouldnt have a problem..and the only things to fix is people like you!

Atheist!!
Dont you just hate them...
Pot meet kettle...
What you are doing is precisely the reason so many people fear and distrust you "religious" types.
You claim to know all and you are the ones trying to shove your hateful ways down our throats!
How would you "fix" us?
Convert us by force?
Perhaps crucify us if we do not bow down unto your God?
I know some truly spiritual people.
A nun I know, Sister Marta, put a roof over my, and my children's, heads.
She had no problem with my lack of faith and by her actions gave me a reason to believe that there may well be a higher power.
She inspired me.
People like yourself only reinforce the negative stereotypes of "religious" bigots that can never know Christ because you are so full of hate.

Sometimes, I really think that there's some truth to that. I wonder if there have been any new religious revelations suppressed because the people were considered crazy rather than divinely inspired. It's not that they were crazy but rather that God really was talking to them...that would be disturbingly ironic, to say the least.

I mean, 1400 years is a long wait since the last major religion came around, and no offense but spirituality has long since surpassed conventional religious development. Except perhaps the dharmic religions, which are still fresh but that has more to do with their structures than anything else.

Which is more likely Communication with god being misdiagnosed as a mental disorder or a mental disorder being mis atributed as Communication with god

At least we can show that mental disorders exist

Which is more likely Communication with god being misdiagnosed as a mental disorder or a mental disorder being mis atributed as Communication with god

Who knows? I imagine it depends on what the person claims. I'd say a person claiming that God told them that altruism and compassion are the fundamental commandments of his creation is a lot more likely to be on the God side, while someone saying that God told him to blow up an abortion clinic or a church is more likely on the mental disorder side.

At least we can show that mental disorders exist

Yeah, which is why that's the default assumption for that sort of thing. But it seems a lot of people who have mystical experiences don't talk about them like the ranters with mental disorders.

Sometimes, I really think that there's some truth to that. I wonder if there have been any new religious revelations suppressed because the people were considered crazy rather than divinely inspired. It's not that they were crazy but rather that God really was talking to them...that would be disturbingly ironic, to say the least.

I mean, 1400 years is a long wait since the last major religion came around, and no offense but spirituality has long since surpassed conventional religious development. Except perhaps the dharmic religions, which are still fresh but that has more to do with their structures than anything else.

I highly suggest some Terence McKenna (http://deoxy.org/mckenna.htm) if you want to read some mind blowing theories about religion.
He theorizes that all revealed religion took place while under the influence of hallucinogens.
A recent study, and my own personal experience, found that the most "spiritual" state that many people have every felt they felt under the influence of these amazing plants and fungi.

And "primitive" peoples the world over have used hallucinogens to reach ecstatic states for tens of thousands of years before they were condemned as "devil worshipers" or "witches" by small minded men in search of power.

Just imagine if God gave us a direct method of feeling His presence and it was made illegal by men try to usurp his authority!

Free your mind!
Question everything!
If you God is so small that he cannot stand the scrutiny of an intelligent and skeptical human mind he does not deserve my worship!

Dont you just hate them...I mean really they get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that. It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.

Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!

And In my country the GRAND USA...*Plays Anthem*.....sorry world people have fought and one to ban the 10 rule that god laid down...You cant even say the "under god" thing in schools anymore its flippin crazy. Religion is the heart of america and without god their is no country. AMEN!!!!! Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:

*gets sheild out for backlash!!*

Forgive spelling!

ROFLMAO!!!
You've made my day.. *mutters* ya freakin' dumbass...

I highly suggest some Terence McKenna (http://deoxy.org/mckenna.htm) if you want to read some mind blowing theories about religion. He theorizes that all revealed religion took place while under the influence of hallucinogens.

He had some damn interesting ideas. Bizarre at times, but clearly the product of an intelligent mind.

A recent study, and my own personal experience, found that the most "spiritual" state that many people have every felt they felt under the influence of these amazing plants.

I recall that study as a matter of fact. I tend to think more and more that this kind of conscience-alteration (done responsibly, of course) does have interesting theological implications. After all, these people see their spiritual experiences as real and beneficial even though they knew they were taking something that could produce them.

And "primitive" peoples the world over have used hallucinogens to reach ecstatic states for tens of thousands of years before they were condemned as "devil worshipers" or "witches" by small minded men in search of power.

It's said that the entire principle of shamanistic worship, and other things like the mystery religions relied on altered consciousness of some form in order to achieve those states.

Just imagine if God gave us a direct method of feeling His presence and it was made illegal by men try to usurp his authority!

I've actually been intrigued by that, especially considering it provides an interesting answer to for what purpose humans are capable of mystical experiences. After all, why do we need that "God region" in the first place? I just don't see how that can be explained away in naturalistic terms, especially considering that there are many other ways to achieve the same survival benefits without having to resort to the extremely esoteric and mystical God that these experiences produce.

I believe more research and exploration in to this phenomenon is needed in order to see what we can learn from it.

Free your mind!
Question everything!
If you God is so small that he cannot stand the scrutiny of an intelligent and skeptical human mind he does not deserve my worship!

I actually feel the same way. You will find that the more rigorously you question your religious beliefs, the stronger and more transcendent they become. I would say my conception of God, limited as it is, is even more beautiful to me than any of the revealed religions today because it is based on rational exploration rather than the writings of an ancient Holy Book.

I hate the OP. =)

People like yourself only reinforce the negative stereotypes of "religious" bigots that can never know Christ because you are so full of hate.
This is perhaps the biggest key. Those who live with hate and fear, dwell in bondage and they block themselves from the sunlight of the spirit.

really only the ones that are like 'Christians are so stupid' and 'I am so smart because I am an atheist'

but I don't think atheism is to blame for it, really it's because they are insecure and rude.

but I don't think atheism is to blame for it, really it's because they are insecure and rude.

I think it's insecure people latching on to atheism or theism that cause the problem, not the other way around.

He had some damn interesting ideas. Bizarre at times, but clearly the product of an intelligent mind.



I recall that study as a matter of fact. I tend to think more and more that this kind of conscience-alteration (done responsibly, of course) does have interesting theological implications. After all, these people see their spiritual experiences as real and beneficial even though they knew they were taking something that could produce them.



It's said that the entire principle of shamanistic worship, and other things like the mystery religions relied on altered consciousness of some form in order to achieve those states.



I've actually been intrigued by that, especially considering it provides an interesting answer to for what purpose humans are capable of mystical experiences. After all, why do we need that "God region" in the first place? I just don't see how that can be explained away in naturalistic terms, especially considering that there are many other ways to achieve the same survival benefits without having to resort to the extremely esoteric and mystical God that these experiences produce.

I believe more research and exploration in to this phenomenon is needed in order to see what we can learn from it.



I actually feel the same way. You will find that the more rigorously you question your religious beliefs, the stronger and more transcendent they become. I would say my conception of God, limited as it is, is even more beautiful to me than any of the revealed religions today because it is based on rational exploration rather than the writings of an ancient Holy Book.

Glad that I could have an intelligent and thought provoking discussion with you.
Even troll threads like this one can be turned around by thoughtful people that are interested in a true exchange of ideas.

So... your platform is that a God exists because... a book told you so. Riiiiiigggghhhht. In other news, there is a magical school for witchcraft and wizardry hidden away in the English countryside.

Actually, I believe it's meant to be the Scottish countryside...I recall some quite in-depth research from the Mugglenet team...Heathen:mad:

I mean, 1400 years is a long wait since the last major religion came around,
Er, both Bahá'í and Sikhism came into existance far more recently that 1400 years ago, and both are certainly classified as major religions.

Dont you just hate them...I mean really they get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that. It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.

Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!

And In my country the GRAND USA...*Plays Anthem*.....sorry world people have fought and one to ban the 10 rule that god laid down...You cant even say the "under god" thing in schools anymore its flippin crazy. Religion is the heart of america and without god their is no country. AMEN!!!!! Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:

*gets sheild out for backlash!!*

Forgive spelling!

We must NOT HATE atheists; that attitude on our part gives them more occasion to blaspheme God, e.g. "Christians are such intolerant, hateful, narrow-minded bigots, but we Atheists are NOT!", and other words to that effect.

Of course you and I know that, contrary to what they would have us believe, NOT all atheists are tolerant, broad-minded, peace-loving people. Some of them are just as bigoted and intolerant (if not more so) than they make US out to be.

Atheists are just some more lost sinners who need Jesus Christ as their Savior, like everybody else.

Of couse they won't admit they need Him; they don't believe He exists.

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6

Atheism exists because of the nature of humanity to have a balance in all apsects of life.

It also exists because of stupid naivete. For example:

1. An atheist might say, "I don't believe there is a God because I've never seen or met Him in person."
Suppose I say, "I don't believe I had any great-great-grandparents because I've never seen or met them in person."
Same logic.

2. An atheist might say, "I don't believe God created the universe because I was not there to watch Him do it; I'm not an eyewitness of it."
Suppose I say, "I don't believe there was a World War II because I didn't watch it happen," or "I don't believe the universe existed before the year 1976 AD, because I was not around to see it."
Same logic.

We must NOT HATE atheists; that attitude gives them more occasion to blaspheme God, e.g. "Christians are such intolerant, hateful, narrow-minded bigots, but we Atheists are NOT!", and other words to that effect.

Atheists are just some more lost sinners who need Jesus Christ as their Savior, like everybody else.

Of couse they won't admit they need Him; they don't believe He exists.

Why should we "admit" we need him any more then we need Zeus?

I've heard a lot of people use the reference "Who made God?" as a point of their atheism.

Well, I might be wrong but as it was explained to me, God is supposedly infinite.
This means that there was no beginning or end or starting place because of this infinity notion. Therefore, it'd be saying something like all time is God. Apparently, the answer to this is that the question is irrelevant since he was. The idea is that God essentially had to withdraw from the infinity that he was in order to allow creation to even be possible. Supposedly, this is possible because God is all powerful.

If I am wrong, perhaps somebody could identify what this belief is as to me it was a fairly interesting approach to the "God connundrum".
--

He said, "Do you believe in what you're saying?"
"Yeah, right now but not that often"
Are you dead or are you sleeping
Are you dead or are you sleeping
Boy I sure hope you are dead...
--Satin in a Coffin, Modest Mouse.

Er, both Bahá'í and Sikhism came into existance far more recently that 1400 years ago, and both are certainly classified as major religions.

The only problem is size; Bahai and Sikhism combined are less than one-tenth the size of the next largest religion, Buddhism, and barely three hundreths the size of Christianity.

What I mean is no new religious beliefs on the scale of Christianity or Islam.

The only problem is size; Bahai and Sikhism combined are less than one-tenth the size of the next largest religion, Buddhism, and barely three hundreths the size of Christianity.

What I mean is no new religious beliefs on the scale of Christianity or Islam.

Then you aren't talking about major religions, but rather a few select religions that meet some arbitrary standard of size.

Then you aren't talking about major religions, but rather a few select religions that meet some arbitrary standard of size.

It's arbitrary, yes, but important to consider if you speak in terms of influence. It's influence that ultimately affects the world, and the size of the religion is what will affect its influence.

Why should we "admit" we need him any more then we need Zeus?

You don't believe He exists so it wouldn't do you any good anyway.

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for HE THAT COMETH TO GOD MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6 [emphasis mine]

"The FOOL hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good." - Psalm 53:1 [emphasis mine]

Another reason people doubt the creation of god is the saying "if something had to create the universe, then something also had to create god." the point I'm trying to make about creation is the only real difference between a tolerant atheist and a christians belief in creation is what started the universe

You don't believe He exists so it wouldn't do you any good anyway.

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for HE THAT COMETH TO GOD MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6 [emphasis mine]

"The FOOL hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good." - Psalm 53:1 [emphasis mine]

Yeah I seen what they wrote about your god in parts of that bible of yours

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

What an ass

Is it just me or can Christians and other believers be slightly... condescending over all the atheists?

Dont you just hate them...

Not really. I am an atheist, and I don't hate myself.

I mean really they get on my last nerve!!!

How do you know it's your last one? Maybe it's your 294th nerve.

Ok how can you not belive in an higher power?

OK check this.

"Do you believe in God?"

"Nah."

Pretty simple really.

Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that.

Heh. I don't ascribe universal creation to a "who." Nor do I say "gas made the universe."

I'm sure someone has already asked, and you may have already dodged, but.... you say God made the universe. Well who made God?


Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....

You should see if she puts out.

You cant even say the "under god" thing in schools anymore its flippin crazy.

That part of the Pledge of the Allegience was added in the 1950s because everyone was scared of Godless Communism.

It shouldn't even be there, and should never have been there in the first place. Good riddance I say.

Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else

I don't taunt everyone for being, or not being an atheist.

I do it because I like making people cry.

and why dont you belive in anything...When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:

That was convincing. I guess I better believe!

Reasons that I don't follow a religion:

1. If I chose to believe, how would I choose which one to believe?

2. I believe the evidence for evolution is very sound. Hence if some deity thinks we in particular as a species are so important I just can't work out at what point they would do so. I mean, was there still a Christian god prior to there being any Christians?

3. The circumstantial evidence for creation of religion is too strong. Every kind of religion from earth mothers to Greek/roman pantheons to modern abrahimic religions have sprung up in the past. Surely it isn't too much of a stretch to believe that we might have made them up to make ourselves feel more comfortable with the unknown?

4. I can accept that there are some things that don't yet have answers. It doesn't stop me living my life.

5. I just can't bring myself to believe against the odds. I am happy to believe if it makes sense. If I can explain rationally why it might be so.. even if I don't know all the details, but the idea of just blindly believing because it is written is hard for me to swallow.

I fully appreciate that many people are very spiritual folk and I have no problem with that at all. I think spirituality is a very important human trait. I like that religion enables groups of people to come together to socialise outside family bounds. To help their fellow man. That side of religion both the personal and the social I really really value, even if I don't feel any need to bring myself to be part of it. It’s the "political" side to religion that I find difficult to deal with. Its the arguments that run something like "You will lead your life this way" "You are a bad person even if you don't harm anyone else because of what you believe" "Your a bad person because you don't believe what I believe" etc etc that are associated with religion that I find abhorrent. And it’s those things that make me feel much more confident that I am following the right path by believing in my personal experiences and considering new opinions based on their individual merit rather than on their source.

Yeah I seen what they wrote about your god in parts of that bible of yours


What an ass

If you are insinuating that I believe atheists should be killed, you are mistaken. I believe NOTHING of the kind. Go back and read my FIRST post in this thread.

I've heard a lot of people use the reference "Who made God?" as a point of their atheism.

Well, I might be wrong but as it was explained to me, God is supposedly infinite.
This means that there was no beginning or end or starting place because of this infinity notion. Therefore, it'd be saying something like all time is God. Apparently, the answer to this is that the question is irrelevant since he was. The idea is that God essentially had to withdraw from the infinity that he was in order to allow creation to even be possible. Supposedly, this is possible because God is all powerful.

If I am wrong, perhaps somebody could identify what this belief is as to me it was a fairly interesting approach to the "God connundrum".

I use the "Who made God?" approach when I'm debating a theist who questions the concept of the Universe coming into being through natural means. In other words:

Dazcha: The Big Bang created the Universe.
Theist: Well, what caused the Big Bang?
Dazcha: A spontaneous explosion in a super-dense ball of matter.
Theist: Well, where did the matter come from?

Basically, the theist argues that God created the matter, exploded it and populated the resulting Universe in the span of seven days (or denies the Big Bang theory in its entirety, which causes this sort of reaction in me: :headbang: ). I use the "Who created God?" question because it's more succinct than asking "Well, if you believe in an infinite God, without a beginning or an end, why can't you wrap your head around the notion of an infinite Universe, without a beginning or an end, in a continuous cycle of expansion/contraction?"

Come to think of it.... why can't you?

Who made the universe?

Who made God?

Their is this one Atheist at my school right..Well she is kinda cool...sleezy really but back to the point she HATES god and say's she will take over heaven and kill all the angels....CRAZY.......People who think that are goin to hell faster then the press found out about Madonna's new haircut and that was fast!!!!

Considering that there are people out there who say they "hate atheists", do you really find her reaction surprising?

In the natural world, y'know, that reality based existence of ours, things evolve from simple beginnings to complex outcomes. This is true in the gestation of life (from a few cells to complex organisms), in evolution (from single-celled bacteria to complex humans), and also, in the evolution of the Universe in 13.7 billion years of existence. Speaking of the natural world, the beginning of any system, is the simplest thing in the series. if 'god' created the Big Bang, it must be simpler than the Big Bang, if it is not, than something must have created it.

Speaking with the backing of science here (B.S. in both physics and astronomy after one more quarter), gods cannot be disproved, but they are very very improbable. Vanishingly so. For anything in science, 'vanishingly small' odds are acceptably equal to zero, in the limit.

All you followers of the god of Abraham are atheists when it comes to Zeus, Kali, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I don't see why the idea of taking your atheism one god further is so hard to understand or so shocking to some of you. I'm not asking you folks to change your beliefs, but for us Atheists, its not such a big leap in logic, to take atheism one god further, than some of you folks generally seem to think it is.

I use the "Who made God?" approach when I'm debating a theist who questions the concept of the Universe coming into being through natural means. In other words:

Dazcha: The Big Bang created the Universe.
Theist: Well, what caused the Big Bang?
Dazcha: A spontaneous explosion in a super-dense ball of matter.
Theist: Well, where did the matter come from?

Basically, the theist argues that God created the matter, exploded it and populated the resulting Universe in the span of seven days (or denies the Big Bang theory in its entirety, which causes this sort of reaction in me: :headbang: ). I use the "Who created God?" question because it's more succinct than asking "Well, if you believe in an infinite God, without a beginning or an end, why can't you wrap your head around the notion of an infinite Universe, without a beginning or an end, in a continuous cycle of expansion/contraction?"

Come to think of it.... why can't you?

I can. I never said I didn't. :p

Speaking with the backing of science here (B.S. in both physics and astronomy after one more quarter), gods cannot be disproved, but they are very very improbable. Vanishingly so. For anything in science, 'vanishingly small' odds are acceptably equal to zero, in the limit.

Science can't calculate the odds of God. There is no way to define the starting conditions, design an experiment to test it, or empirically verify the results. Science has nothing to say about God because it is not a scientific concept, cannont be examined using any scientific techniques, and has no direct observable or theoretical evidence in the physical world. As a result, any attempt to comment on the problem using science is little more than a pseudoscientific religious venture with no basis in fact.

How can you test the probability of something that has an infinite number of possible incarnations? There is no defined nature of God, which makes it scientifically impossible to even establish the starting conditions for an experiment. After all, what, exactly, is "God" to begin with? And, for that matter, what do we test to verify the nature of God? What if there are an infinite number of Gods? It is literally impossible for science to comment on God.

Any scientist that tries to argue about God from a scientific perspective is not using science. They are using a religious interpretation of science to advance their faith, but it has nothing in common with what science actually says. It's actually just a modern-day version of natural theology come to think of it.

All you followers of the god of Abraham are atheists when it comes to Zeus, Kali, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I don't see why the idea of taking your atheism one god further is so hard to understand or so shocking to some of you. I'm not asking you folks to change your beliefs, but for us Atheists, its not such a big leap in logic, to take atheism one god further, than some of you folks generally seem to think it is.

Correction. It's not such a big leap of faith. After all, nobody has any real idea what exactly the truth is, and any definitive statement is fundamentally a leap of faith.

"Well, if you believe in an infinite God, without a beginning or an end, why can't you wrap your head around the notion of an infinite Universe, without a beginning or an end, in a continuous cycle of expansion/contraction?"

Come to think of it.... why can't you?

Well, because most people think of God as inherently limited. God exists outside of the universe, so any attempt to argue about him using the laws of this universe is ridiculous. After all, God doesn't have to be created if he exists in a realm outside of time...how can you create something when it has neither beginning nor end?

And, of course, you run in to the problem that an oscillating universe has the same problems as God; those prior universes cannot be observed or in any way determined, so their existence will fundamentally run in to the same leap of faith as God. And, lastly, if an infinite universe is possible so is God having an infinite number of creators that came before him.

such energy is wasted on this topic.

all these things, throw sticks this way or that, they fly in the wind.

and you cannot see the wind, but you feel it on your face.


We have ZERO hope to actually understand the powers of creation that led to this instantaneous flourish of life. It is infinite. And you can't understand it. That's it's beauty.


Religion is not spirituality, it is a substitute for knowing. You can only know if you allow your mind to be silent.

Why is it that all theists have a horrible spelling and grammar?

Why is it that all theists have a horrible spelling and grammar?

"Have a horrible spelling and grammar?" I think that's an error in itself. :D (I hate it when that happens, because I've done it too).

And I'm a theist, by the way. However, my views are quite a bit different than the ones others have advanced on here.

While this guy is an obvious troll, I'd like to make a point.

I'm an atheist BECAUSE of Christians like him.
So am I, really. I don't like being associated with immature jerks like the OP.

Dont you just hate them...I mean really they get on my last nerve!!! Ok how can you not belive in an higher power? Who made the universe? Gas you say....well who made that. It all boils down that their is a god out their. Just because you dont see something doesnt make it right to say it isnt their.

Religion is the heart of america and without god their is no country. AMEN!!!!! Anyway for all you atheist out their why must you taunt everyone else and why dont you belive in anything...When you die you better belive or your goin to hell with Osama!:sniper:


Theists, don't I just hate them... no, I think they're just a bit weird.:rolleyes:

How can I not believe in an higher power? Because I don't believe in magic. I prefer a rational explanation, or admitting that we lack a rational explanation yet.

Who made that? Keep in mind that answers are not important. It is questions that really matter. By saying "who" you already make an implicit guess that there was some kind of "person" at the beginning of space-time. Such a guess makes your question "who made that" intrinsecally misleading, because the answer is supposed to refer to some "person" or other kind of entity. Try asking yourself "how", instead of "who" or "why".

By the way, assuming you're a christian, you seem to be lacking in basical christian theology... if the christian god exists, then he is not "out there" more than he is "everywhere else", including "inside us".

Not seeing, or otherwise experiencing, at least indirectly, a thing gives me the right to say that it isn't there. "Being there" means "it's real". "Real" from latin "res", meaning "thing, object".
An object, at least in the physical world, is something that has some qualities.
It has a finite extension (measure) in space. It is subject to the laws of physics. It has a finite mass. Its physical qualities can be measured. It occupies a definite portion of the space.
Let's assume the christian god. By standard christian theology, he is everywhere - thus violating some laws of physics, like Pauli's exclusion principle. He isn't made by matter, but by spirit - now tell me how do you measure "spirit", and I'm meaning no joke about ethanol. He is at the same time one entity and three entities. I'd say that this is enough to say that the christian god doesn't belong to the set of physical objects, like you and me: that is, god isn't a "res", it isn't "real" as my shoes, your computer or the Sun. As an object of thought, he could be "true" or "false". But since Kant gave proof that logic cannot prove or disprove the existance of a deity (I suggest you to read that proof, it is wonderfully simple), and logic is the only portion of thought that is objective, the problem of the existance of any deity becomes object of subjective thought. That is, if you want to believe, fine. But don't say that it is an objective fact. It is a free choice of every person. And choices are a legitimate object of debate, as long as it keeps polite.

Religion being the hearth of the US... well, I'd say that this implies that all boils down to politics, don't you think? And, by the way, a country can exist independently of religion. See the French Republic for example the most illustrious example. Or the Italian Republic.

I agree that sometimes I, as atheist, taunt theists a bit too much about the lack of logic of theism... it is also true that theists are quite over-sensitive, and often they overreact about life, the universe and everything else, don't you think so?

Tch, tch. Your last bit was really horrible. So, your god wants me to believe or he'll send me to hell when I die... sounds like blackmail to me. Where have gone those wonderful christian things about love for human beings? Believing out of fear, I do hope that you have better reasons to believe in your god. Or are you believing just out of personal convenience? If you were sure that hell doesn't exist, would you still believe then?
Also, I don't think that it is very serious... do you think that your god would send a good person to hell just because he doesn't believe in the existance of your god? Or are you saying that a non-believer is intrinsecally evil? Was Socrates - just to name one - evil? Isn't that a bit radically fundamentalist line of thought? Even John Paul II was less radical than that.
And, by the way, Osama Bin Laden IS a believer - a radical muslim is sure to believe in god.

"Have a horrible spelling and grammar?" I think that's an error in itself. :D (I hate it when that happens, because I've done it too).

And I'm a theist, by the way. However, my views are quite a bit different than the ones others have advanced on here.

I have an excuse, I am a foreigner, who did not learn English as native language. However if I see a thread with mangled grammar or spelling which scares little children, it's almost never from an agnostic, atheist or just "pro-science-person" but more often than not from a theist, who is fundamentalist or on the verge of it. More often than not, these people are US-Americans and have no excuse for doing things to the language, which if applied to animals would lead to a severe sentence.

This is the one thing I can never understand about NSG, how a thread can be so severely hijacked that no one posts on topic for about 6 pages and then it all starts up again as if there wasn't any interuption.

The simple fact is that people are not born believing in God.
They must be trained to do so.

If God truly existed, we would know it.
There would be no doubt.

There is no God, but that wich people have convinced themselves to exist.
God cannot be proven to exist outside a Christians mind, becuase there is no, and never will be any evidence of him at all.

If there is no evidence in any way shape or form to support a hypothesis, then to continue to assume a positive result, (God Existing), from a negative result, is quite foolish.

The fact is that Christians must convince themselves there is a God, and outside of that persons mind, there is no such being.

This is the one thing I can never understand about NSG, how a thread can be so severely hijacked that no one posts on topic for about 6 pages and then it all starts up again as it there wasn't any interuption.

I call it circular posting. The thread goes off topic, then someone joins the thread and makes points that people made back on the first page, then everyone refutes those points just like they did on the second page, then the thread basically starts all over again.

but but but you pointed it out on the map!:(

no. i just pointed the building its below.

damn! it was so great when this thread was hijacked, and you had to ruin it by bringing it back. shame on you all!

I call it circular posting. The thread goes off topic, then someone joins the thread and makes points that people made back on the first page, then everyone refutes those points just like they did on the second page, then the thread basically starts all over again.

well, then I shall do everything in my power to turn it back to the hijacked state. anyone with me?

well, then I shall do everything in my power to turn it back to the hijacked state. anyone with me?

Okay, then why can't theists spell? :>

Okay, then why can't theists spell? :>

what are you talking about?

We're taking this thread to Cuba!

Okay, then why can't theists spell? :>

I don't know, maybe some of the crazy ones think God will fix it for them?
well, then I shall do everything in my power to turn it back to the hijacked state. anyone with me?

I can make my picture come back, that might help.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5073/snakedb9.png

We're taking this thread to Cuba!

why cuba?

Heaven help the OP if he ever met a Satanist.:eek:

Oh, Wait a minute....:p

I don't know, maybe some of the crazy ones think God will fix it for them?


I can make my picture come back, that might help.
nah. last time it quickly fell of the point was when I told the people in it that I am a sithlord, and I am hiding in secret hideout somewhere in warsaw. so all we have to do is mention the sith, and presto, the threal will fall away from its orignal topic.

nah. last time it quickly fell of the point was when I told the people in it that I am a sithlord, and I am hiding in secret hideout somewhere in warsaw. so all we have to do is mention the sith, and presto, the threal will fall away from its orignal topic.

The force would make religion alot more fun.

The force would make religion alot more fun.

and a lot less pointless.

and a lot less pointless.

Although probably just as violent.

I thought we where heading to moscow and then to rome after pope-palpertiene?

I thought we where heading to moscow and then to rome after pope-palpertiene?

wow. you forgot that my base was in warsaw so quickly!

[Ackbar voice] It was a trap! [/Ackbar voice]

no its not see Ackbar said so :p

why cuba?

I owe Castro a thread.

I owe Castro a thread.

Can't you just give him some string? Its cheaper and more useful :D

lets start a religious war or lets chill out? mmm i guess a religious war is kinda less painful than an ordinary war, you don't really get hurt, your legs don't really fall off, you only believe they fell off, and anyway when you get to heaven lo and behold there your legs are again;)

mmm, what does chilling out entail? Well you don't lose your limbs and...;)

whta?

Can't you just give him some string? Its cheaper and more useful :D

I tried that, but he says he needs a thread to tie all his string together.

you call this a hyjack?

Atheism exists because of the nature of humanity to have a balance in all apsects of life. I like that.

you call this a hyjack?

No we call it a hijack, and anyway most of the hijackers are off line at the mo.

No we call it a hijack, and anyway most of the hijackers are off line at the mo.

whatev. we want this thread knocked off the main topic, not killed.

No we call it a hijack, and anyway most of the hijackers are off line at the mo.

Not any more. Heeerree's.. daddy! D'oh! Heeerrre's David Letterman! Hi David, I'm grandpa...

;)

Sorry, I needed to go to sleep, but, I'm here to help resume with the hijacking, as a original member of the crew who led the endeavour.

I knew why this guy looks familiar now: he's giving Markreich a bad name.