NationStates Jolt Archive

No this isn't a jibe at the erican system of government, that's in 2008. This is a mock US election, to see if your fellow Americans (North and South, but not Central) would vote for you. Basically, everyone who wants to participates chooses a state to live in, but please don't crowd all into one with a shitfuck of electoral votes, like California or Brazil. If you actually live in a state, you're in it, or not I can't tell where you are. If you intend to run, post under what party (ANY Party) what state you choose to be from and your platform. Anyone may participate.

Who will become mock president of America?

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PRIMARY CANDIDATES

Canada
Kryozerkia (Grass Roots Party)
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)
Colorado:
Kyronea (Humen Rights Party)
Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party)
Neu Leonstein (I)
Florida:
Chandelier (I)
King Bodacious (NPA)
Kansas:
MeansToAnEnd (Republican)
Illinois:
Ardee Street (Green)
Louisiana:
Hallucinogenic Tonic (Libertarian)
Michigan:
Dinaverg (I)
Minnesota:
Dosuun (Libertarian)
Seangoli (Democrat)
Montana:
Trotskylvania (Socialist Party)
Nebraska:
The Psyker (I)
New Jersey
Sel Appa (Socialist)
Fleckenstein (Democratic Socialist)
New York
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII (Drunk and Beligerent Party)
North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green)
Wilgrove (Libertarian)
Nevada:
Ifreann (Drunken Nudity Party)
Ohio:
[NS]Pushistymistan (I)
Oklahoma:
Smunkee (I)
Pennsylvania:
IL Ruffino (Left-Handed Righty Neo-Con Association)
Rhode Island:
CthulhuFhtagn (I)
Washington:
Kinda Sensible people (Democrat)
Wisconsin:
Delator (I)


JianGuo (I) Unknown

No this isn't a jibe at the erican system of government, that's in 2008. This is a mock US election, to see if your fellow Americans (North and South, but not Central) would vote for you. Basically, everyone who wants to participates chooses a state to live in, but please don't crowd all into one with a shitfuck of electoral votes, like California or Brazil. If you actually live in a state, you're in it, or not I can't tell where you are. If you intend to run, post under what party (ANY Party) what state you choose to be from and your platform. Anyone may participate.

Who will become mock president of America?

I am from Michigan, woot! And I will rip off someone else's platform once a few are made! Go Michigan!

I am from Rhode Island. And I am running on a platform of booze and porno for all.

I am from North Carolina and I am running on low taxes, a smaller more de-centralized government, also more social freedom! Whatever you do in the privacy of your own home is NO business of Gov. Co!

I am from Rhode Island. And I am running on a platform of booze and porno for all.
You're on the list, Senator Fhtagn.

[Forget it. Knowing how you savages behave. I'm withdrawing my own nomination.]

*Goes sulking.*

Can I run for Conneticut? On this platform (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11890352&postcount=330)?

True Libertianism is my platform.

In short ,you're allowed to do anything as long as it doesn't directly affect anyone else's rights to do their own thing.

Hey, that's my platform! You thief!

Mock the American Election? Okay.

It was really dumb and smellt really funny. Also its mom was really fat.

Can I run for Conneticut? On this platform (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11890352&postcount=330)?

You're on the list as a senator.

Can I run for president?

Can I run for president?

Yeah, just make up a platform, party affiliation, and choose a state.

Yeah, just make up a platform, party affiliation, and choose a state.

On the platform that Canada will annex the US, party affiliation is the Marijuana party, and the state is Canada.

On the platform that Canada will annex the US, party affiliation is the Marijuana party, and the state is British Columbia.

Ba-da-boom! You're on the first ticket.

Ba-da-boom! You're on the first ticket.

sweetness. Oh, I changed my state from BC to Canada. Canada sounds nicer, and has more of an irony to it.

Smunkee Independent Oklahoma

So when are we having our first debate? Also, why are we all running as (I). Comon we need some Republicans and Democrats!

We need Primaries first.

State: Louisinana

Party: Libertarian

Platform: I will defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world I seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.
Individuals should have the right to use drugs, whether for medical or recreational purposes, without fear of legal reprisals, but must be held legally responsible for the consequences of their actions only if they violate others’ rights.

Source: http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

So when are we having our first debate? Also, why are we all running as (I). Comon we need some Republicans and Democrats!

We need Primaries first.
Only one person mentioned a party affiliation.

Only one person mentioned a party affiliation.

Well change mine to Libertarian.

Alrighty....


Legal Pot (wewt)
This whole, sex offender list thing, that's a bit screwed up. Reform
Polygamy!
Et cetera, do whatever the heck you want so long as it doesn't harm others.

And still, ze Michigan!

Well change mine to Libertarian.

Done.

Minnesota(D)

I will push for universal healthcare for those under 18.
I will push for a decrease in pork barrel spending(I.E. Fewer attached spending to bills, that have very little to do with the bill itself).
I will push to decrease lobbying.
I will push a program to allow illegal immigrants in the country currently to be more able to become Immigrant Worker status, or whatever one wishes to call it, so that their income may be taxed, and that they don't out compete American workers(Would Force employers to pay them a decent wage for their work).
I will push for the legalization of Medical Marijuana, with a study as to the possible gains of full legalization.
I will try to work out a balanced budget, with as few tax increases as possible(If necessary, then it must be done), and use deficit spending only when the need arises, not as a rule.
I will push for alternative energy, to reduce our dependance on fossil fuels.
I will push legisation to reform welfare, to discourage people from living off of it(Except under certain circumtances, I.E. physically or mentally incapable of providing for oneself).
I will try to work with the the other party(ies), and try to come to compromises that would be beneficial, rather than play to party politics.

I am against government censorship, except under the circumstances that actual damage may be done to a person(For instance, something done simply to destroy another's reputation and fiscal and personal well-being, or reporting the name of victims of crimes).

Abortion: Legally, Pro-choice. Personally, Pro-life. I will push programs which will encourage women to have the child, and giving every option possible, but not restricting the right to have the abortion, itself.

Now we're getting somewhere.

I forgot my platform.....:eek: .......... sorry.

I believe in limited federal government, because it provides the best chance for freedom. The government should do things for the people that they can't do for themselves not the things they refuse to.

I'm not 18 yet, but can I be an Independent candidate? I'm from Florida.

State: Montana (go figure)

Party: Socialist Party USA (the left must be recognized!)

Platform: Radical libertarian socialism. CEO compensation will be limited to whatever they can take home in their cheeks, like a squirrel. Repeal Bush's tax cuts, possibly increase taxes on corporations and the uberwealthy to fund a National Health Service equivalent. I will not only end corporate personhood and corporate favortism, I will also work very hard to end corporations themselves. I will create incentives for public enterprise, employee managed firms to start up. I will work for better trade policy with China. I will begin a massive, public initiative to create a publicly owned alternative energy system.

VP: Fleckenstein

Psh...

State: Washington

Party: Democrat

Platform:

- I will push for environomental reform to promote renewable energy sources, hybrid cars, and CO2 reduction with incentives, tax breaks, and regulation.

- I will work to see that the civil rights of Americans are protected from the fearful in this age of terror. I will oppose all attempts to curtail the right to privacy, habbeas corpus, or any other enshrined civil right.

- I will protect the 2nd Ammendment rights of all Americans

- I will push for more Workfare programs and an expansion of programs to get people back into the workforce.

- I will work to raise the minimum wage to a living wage.

- I will improve Medicare and offer minimum health care to citizens under the age of 21 who do not already have access to it.

- I will work to keep America's army strong, healthy, and seldom-used.

- I will push for Civil Rights reforms like an adoption of Gay Civil Unions, the legalization of soft-drugs, and further protection of Abortion rights.

- I will fight for stem-cell research, and funding for other bio-medical research firms.

- I will fight to lower Pork-Barrel spending and cut back on the use of the Block Grant.

- I will reform lobbying legislation to prevent the turning-door syndrome in Washington.

- I will increase federal spending on Education in Math, Science, English, History, and the Arts.

- I will balance the budget.

We will!


Kryozerkia of Canada will be running under the banner of The 'Grass' Roots Party

I'm not really sure how this will work, but...

Socialist...New Jersey

Tax the rich, feed the poor.
Big Border Fence with Mexico.
Less Privacy Intrusion (Repeal USA PATRIOT Act)

I'm not really sure how this will work, but...

Socialist...New Jersey

Tax the rich, feed the poor.
Big Border Fence with Mexico.
Less Privacy Intrusion (Repeal USA PATRIOT Act)

my state, and my party! *shakes fist*

Democratic Socialist, New Jersey.

Taxes make your children's education better, throw of NCLB.
Stop whining when you have low taxes and the gov't doesnt give you shit.
Better documentation of immigrants (relax entrance, make it legal)
Investigations of wiretapping.
Removal of imperialistic influences on American gov't
secular gov't
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I'ma be running in Connecticut as a representative of the Awsome Party.

I will ensure that every citizen has the right to be, and remain, awsome.

Also, no-pants fridays.

And pull the troops out as well.

I Fiddlebottoms, of the great state of New York, am running under the newly formed "Drunk and Beligerent Party".

Platform:
Bring back moustaches to the White House
Fire all those goddamn slutty interns and Congressional pages, replace them with proper prostitutes
Raise and Lower taxes based on the phases of the moon
Change the BATF's mission from regualtion to enforcement, all people above the age of 16 shall be required to drink, smoke and carry a gun
Ravea shall be executed for choosing the "Awesome Party" before I could, bastard.

As an added bonus, here is the blueprint for my first 100 days in office:
Get drunk during the inaugural party and invade Canada
Wake up the next morning and uninvade, apologize to all involved
Throw a party to celebrate the armistice with Canada, only to get drunk again and reinvade Canada
Uninvade again, more apologies. This time accompanied by a pledge never to drink again.
Become increasingly violent and beligerent during my withdrawal, culminating in my demanding the CIA stage a coup against the Canadian PM and the King of Tonga
Start drinking again after both coups fail and attempt to play football with the Nuclear Football
Fail
Launch into a dramatic monologue in the last 15 minutes before the world ends in a violent, nuclear holocaust

I'm not really sure how this will work, but...

Socialist...New Jersey

Tax the rich, feed the poor.
Big Border Fence with Mexico.
Less Privacy Intrusion (Repeal USA PATRIOT Act)

Hey, why don't we unite and run together as co-presidents? No need to split the left-wing vote.

No this isn't a jibe at the erican system of government, that's in 2008. This is a mock US election, to see if your fellow Americans (North and South, but not Central) would vote for you. Basically, everyone who wants to participates chooses a state to live in, but please don't crowd all into one with a shitfuck of electoral votes, like California or Brazil. If you actually live in a state, you're in it, or not I can't tell where you are. If you intend to run, post under what party (ANY Party) what state you choose to be from and your platform. Anyone may participate.

Who will become mock president of America?


I choose to run as a candidate from Colorado under the basic platform of the Human Rights Party. (For reference, please look up the HRP party thread here on NSG.) I will also elaborate, stating that social freedoms are my first priority, especially for the disenfranchised, such as homosexuals. In addition, I would work on developing a form of NHS that would work within the American economic system. I would slowly slim down military spending, making sure that the remaining spending will be spent properly rather than wasted on overly expensive research. The key to anything and everything I do in government when it comes to the economy and spending will be efficiency and realism. I don't care how large or how small a program is so long as it runs efficiently.

If possible, I would try to lower the federal income tax, and bring up the national sales tax to compensate. I would also lower by far the tax burden on the poor, while upping it ever so slightly on the rich. I say slighty because, as I said earlier, we need to be realistic. We can't just tax the rich incessently because sooner or later we'd end up with no rich at all. On that same token, tax money does have to come from somewhere if the government is to function and thusly it makes sense to garner a smaller amount more from the rich than from those who don't have the kind of leeway when it comes to financial matters that the rich do.

In addition, I would work to develop a much better welfare system. The idea behind mine would be a safety net for those capable of work. It would give them support through many ways, through money as it is now, as well as through additional job training and other forms of education offered to allow them to find a new job. People who attempt to abuse the system to live off of welfare would be cut off from it through a three strike system: do it once and you can't use it for a year. Do it twice you can't use it for five years. Do it again...you can't use it at all in your lifetime. For those unable to work, we would work to provide a form of support that would allow them to live in a reasonable amount of comfort without being excessive. (That is, you can't go around buying $200 pairs of shoes, but you wouldn't have to worry about medical expenses or food, either.)

Finally, some damned serious work with the educational system is needed. First and foremost along that line would be facing the facts: one of the single most irritating problems, the one that the government cannot directly affect, would be the simple fact that most children these days do not want to learn. This is the fault of the parents and nothing more. They do not bother to take the time to actually be parents, to teach their kids how to learn, to cultivate the natural curiosity all humans exhibit. Instead, they are in their kids lives as more of an occasional visitor, allowing the media to raise them instead through allowing them to watch hours upon hours of constant television and so on. Obviously not all parents do this and I am not saying so: I am merely directing this statement against the parents that do.

Of course, that's not all that needs to be fixed in the educational system, and I fully intend to fix as many of the problems as I can from my new position. The key to the world, as it has always been, is knowledge. Through knowledge, you have power. With lack of knowledge comes such idiocy as racism, sexism, hatred towards those whom do not share your religion, etc. With knowledge comes the ability to tolorate others, to live in peace with your fellow humans, to make technological advances, to increase the ability of doctors and hospitals, etc. Knowledge is power. Education is the key to unlocking that power. Our country cannot afford to do without it, not in this day and age.

I Fiddlebottoms, of the great state of New York, am running under the newly formed "Drunk and Beligerent Party".

Platform:
Bring back moustaches to the White House
Fire all those goddamn slutty interns and Congressional pages, replace them with proper prostitutes
Raise and Lower taxes based on the phases of the moon
Change the BATF's mission from regualtion to enforcement, all people above the age of 16 shall be required to drink, smoke and carry a gun
Ravea shall be executed for choosing the "Awesome Party" before I could, bastard.

As an added bonus, here is the blueprint for my first 100 days in office:
Get drunk during the inaugural party and invade Canada
Wake up the next morning and uninvade, apologize to all involved
Throw a party to celebrate the armistice with Canada, only to get drunk again and reinvade Canada
Uninvade again, more apologies. This time accompanied by a pledge never to drink again.
Become increasingly violent and beligerent during my withdrawal, culminating in my demanding the CIA stage a coup against the Canadian PM and the King of Tonga
Start drinking again after both coups fail and attempt to play football with the Nuclear Football
Fail
Launch into a dramatic monologue in the last 15 minutes before the world ends in a violent, nuclear holocaust

In light of this clearly superior platform coming out of my own home state, I will withdraw.

If possible, I would try to lower the federal income tax, and bring up the national sales tax to compensate. I would also lower by far the tax burden on the poor, while upping it ever so slightly on the rich.

Aren't these completely antagonistic to one another?

Nebraska, Independent running on the platform of
-the establishment of non-partisan elections, everyone runs in one primary and the two with the most votes are the canidates come election day
-the establishment of a unicameral legislative branch based on the House, will require amendment of the constitution, oh and it should be a nonpartisan legislature. The legislature as a whole votes on who will hold the speakership, who will be in what commitee, ect.
-introducing the provision that the people can introduce national laws and referendums to a national vote through petition, but not constitutional ammendments.

I would like to run. So I will.

I am running for the Left Handed Righty Neo-con Asso. of Pennsylvania.

Platform:
- To spread the wisdom of the smart people.
- To help the poor stay where they are.
- To have sex with democratic whores who want some power in the whitehouse, then have them sent off to Iraq.
- To keep America free.
- To find a cure for homosexuality.
- Other fun stuff.

A vote for Ruffy, is a vote for freedom!

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Can I run? I call Idaho. Libertarian party.

I'll run against Wilgrove...

North Carolina. Call me a Green if anything.

I am:
For gay marriage.
For sustainable development.
For universal health care.
In favor of holding corporations accountable for the full extent of their environmental damages.
In favor of incentives to encourage the use of sustainable forms of energy and cleaner means of production.
For free higher education.
For progressive minimum wage increases.
For an improved, streamlined, and completely monotone tax system with no loopholes.
In favor of electoral reform, including the abolition of the electoral college and the widespread use of approval voting.
In favor of legalizing marijuana.
In favor of reducing carbon dioxide emissions sharply.
Against outdated "morality" laws legislating against sundry "offenses" like nudity, swearing, not carrying a musket while walking to church, etc. The lawbooks should be cleaned, I tell you, cleaned!

I'm in...

Wisconsin, Independant

Principle Platform:

Military Restructuring: All overseas U.S. military bases will be closed, including, but not limited to those in Japan, South Korea, Germany, the United Kingdom and the Middle Eastern region. Combat forces stationed at these bases will subsequently be restationed at bases in the United States.

Isolated exceptions to this rule may be enacted to ensure continued logistical support of long-range airborne operations.

Money saved from operational costs will go into research and development, with emphasis on armor for both soldiers and vehicles.

Narcotic Legalization: All drugs of a non-pharmecutical nature currently illegal in the United States will be made legal. The only legal methods for obtaining these substances will be either self-production (home growing), or purchasing product through the government, which will have a monopoly over large-scale production to ensure that all revenue goes directly to the government. The sale of narcotics for anyone but government licensed distributors will still be illegal. All funds raised through this program will be diverted to education programs.

All non-violent offenders currently incarcerated for possession (NOT sale) of narcotics, and having no other criminal record, will be released.

National Sales Tax: The current tax system of the U.S will be scrapped, in favor of a national sales tax, also known as the Fair Tax.

www.fairtax.org

Secondary Platform:

Alternative Energy: All possible effort will be made to end subsidies for fossil fuel energy in favor of renewable resources.

Abortion: Pro-choice, although in favor of increased government funding for social services, and the promotion of adoption as an alternative to abortion.

Death Penalty: Utilized only in extreme cases, and only if DNA evidence is obtainable.

Gun Control: Prefer to pass and enforce more stringent permit requirements over banning or restricting different types of firearms. Would prefer to scale back firearm restrictions where feasible.

Social Security: Phase out in favor of private investement.

Health Care: Government provided health care for all people age 18 and younger.

Foreign Policy: The U.S. will remain as uninvolved with international issues as possible. Economic restrictions and sanctions on nations who directly oppose U.S. interests will be utilized first and foremost.

Government Reform: Will work to remove both corporate and religious influence from government wherever possible.

That'll do...for now. :p

I have no idea what party I represent. Name it for me, someone? :/
I'm representing Ohio for my party...whichever that turns out to be.

My platform, bulleted style:
++++✖ against gay marriage
++++✖ against widespread legalisation of marijuana, but for controlled distribution by the FDA
++++✖ against FDA laws which prevent natural cures from being researched and implemented
++++✖ against illegal immigration, but for legal immigration
++++✖ against shipping jobs overseas
++++✖ against abortion under any circumstance
++++✖ against taxing the wealthy unfairly, since tax is a percentage
++++✖ against waffling and general political chicanery

++++✖ for the unification of Church & State
++++✖ for gender equality (not to be confused with female over-representation, which some people often do)
++++✖ for the lowest taxes feasible
++++✖ for the Kyoto Protocol
++++✖ for nationalised healthcare
++++✖ for free education
++++✖ for public transit
++++✖ for respecting the UN
++++✖ for the death penalty for murderers
++++✖ for developing efficient power (be it solar, nuclear, thermonuclear or otherwise)
++++✖ for conceal-and-carry

++++✖ Educational reform is needed; classes tailored to the needs of differing age groups and genders need to be implemented.

More will be added as issues are brought up.

Can I run? I call Idaho. Libertarian party.
Ahem...wouldn't you be just a bit better suited to the Republicans?

Minnesota (L for Libertarian)


Elimination of unrelated spending in bills through line-item veto.

Push for a "Freedom of Privacy" amendment.

Legalize the various species of the genus Cannabis for medical and personal use. It would have the same restrictions as alcoholic beverages and tobacco products.

Lower the drinking age to 18. If you can be drafted and vote, why not get hammered too?

Make deficit spending illegal. A government shutdown will go into effect if the budget cannot be balanced.

I will push for a flat rate tax but I might also consider a national retail sales tax in place of an income tax. This would simplify the tax code and eliminate double taxation. Those that have the most and use the most would still pay the most but everyone would pay the same low rate.

I will push for more development of fission power as it is clean, reliable, compact, and safe. I will also push for privatization of power utilities.

I will also push for research into the development of hydroponic towers powered by on-site coal plants. Hear me out on this one, folks. The CO2 from the coal plant would be used to increase crop yeilds in the facility (so don't complain about using coal), scrubbers would filter out sulfur and other impurities to be sold as solid pastes or powders. Sea water could be run through a boiler to both run the turbine to power the facility and desalinize the water for the crops in the tower. The salt can periodically be removed for processing and sale. Large mirrors placed around the building could be used to bring in sunlight and sunlamps powered by the facility generator would make up the difference. Crops could either be grown for food or to be processed into fuels like E85 and the harvesting of either could be almost totally automated. If found successful I believe it, combined with the development of fission power, could bring us closer to energy independence until a more permanent solution can be found.

Instead of letting the homeless stay in shelters and drain the system I propose we make them build houses for themselves, teaching them valueable lessons in the process. Also privatize the whole thing so the taxpayers don't have to be bothered with picking up the tab. Cheap construction labor will attract plenty of businesses.

Try to move most people from welfare to private charities. Just as with the plan to house the homeless (so I won't have to listen to people whine about it anymore), try to make people learn and earn. Something given has no value. It's like the saying goes: give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, but set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


I've got some other things I'm considering but I'll be signing off soon. I will not comprmise. I am right and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong and a dumb lyre. Yes, a lyre.

Ahem...wouldn't you be just a bit better suited to the Republicans?

No, actually. I'm liberal on many social issues. I'm just an extreme hard ass on crime and foreign policy.

I live in Florida. My party is NPA (No Party Affiliation) For the People, By the People.

Oooh, oooh, I wanna be ze president!

Now to pick a state at random. Random says Nevada.

And now a party. Ehhhh, the Drunken Nudity Party. Wewt.

The 'Grass' Roots Party is like the Marijuana Party, only more pure and true to its roots.

Pushistymistan;11944770']I have no idea what party I represent. Name it for me, someone? :/
I'm representing Ohio for my party...whichever that turns out to be.

My platform, bulleted style:
++++✖ against gay marriage
++++✖ against widespread legalisation of marijuana, but for controlled distribution by the FDA
++++✖ against FDA laws which prevent natural cures from being researched and implemented
++++✖ against illegal immigration, but for legal immigration
++++✖ against shipping jobs overseas
++++✖ against abortion under any circumstance
++++✖ against taxing the wealthy unfairly, since tax is a percentage
++++✖ against waffling and general political chicanery

++++✖ for the unification of Church & State
++++✖ for gender equality (not to be confused with female over-representation, which some people often do)
++++✖ for the lowest taxes feasible
++++✖ for the Kyoto Protocol
++++✖ for nationalised healthcare
++++✖ for free education
++++✖ for public transit
++++✖ for respecting the UN
++++✖ for the death penalty for murderers
++++✖ for developing efficient power (be it solar, nuclear, thermonuclear or otherwise)

++++✖ Educational reform is needed; classes tailored to the needs of differing age groups and genders need to be implemented.

More will be added as issues are brought up.


I'm thinkin' you're a Republican! Just my opinion!!!

Many of these candadites are very similar to each other. I suppose that means this will be a popularity contest. High school all over again for many I'm sure...

I'll run against Wilgrove...

North Carolina. Call me a Green if anything.

I am:
For gay marriage.
For sustainable development.
For universal health care.
In favor of holding corporations accountable for the full extent of their environmental damages.
In favor of incentives to encourage the use of sustainable forms of energy and cleaner means of production.
For free higher education.
For progressive minimum wage increases.
For an improved, streamlined, and completely monotone tax system with no loopholes.
In favor of electoral reform, including the abolition of the electoral college and the widespread use of approval voting.
In favor of legalizing marijuana.
In favor of reducing carbon dioxide emissions sharply.
Against outdated "morality" laws legislating against sundry "offenses" like nudity, swearing, not carrying a musket while walking to church, etc. The lawbooks should be cleaned, I tell you, cleaned!

Well, let me be the first to say that I wish you a good clean race. :)

Well, let me be the first to say that I wish you a good clean race. :)
Likewise. ;)

I'm thinkin' you're a Republican! Just my opinion!!!

I've got some conservative views, but I don't think I agree with enough of the right wing to call myself a Republican. ._.'

Can I be the Republican candidate from Kansas?

I am from North Carolina and I am running on low taxes, a smaller more de-centralized government, also more social freedom! Whatever you do in the privacy of your own home is NO business of Gov. Co!
And legalisation of GBH and murder, no doubt.

Can I run as a Green Candidate for Illinois, or failing that, Massachusetts?

I am:

For sustainable development.
For universal health care.
Against the Iraq war.
For increased health and safety regulation in the food industry.
In favor of holding corporations accountable for the full extent of their environmental damages.
In favor of incentives to encourage the use of sustainable forms of energy and cleaner means of production. Wean us off oil.
For free higher education.
Against legal abortion.
For increased social welfare accessibility.
For increased arts funding.
For progressive minimum wage increases.
In favor of electoral reform, including the abolition of the electoral college and the widespread use of approval voting.
In favor of legalizing marijuana.
In favor of reducing carbon dioxide emissions sharply.
For gay marriage.

Hey, why don't we unite and run together as co-presidents? No need to split the left-wing vote.

Can I run as VP of the ticket?

(Democratic Socialist)

And legalisation of GBH and murder, no doubt.

Get off your soapbox ; this is not a thread for people to throw "witty" one-liners at each other.

If you can't be peaceable about this whole affair, then leave, and find another thread where the old, tired arguments have already been drawn out and the positions for and against them solidified.

Pushistymistan;11946931']Get off your soapbox ; this is not a thread for people to throw "witty" one-liners at each other.

If you can't be peaceable about this whole affair, then leave, and find another thread where the old, tired arguments have already been drawn out and the positions for and against them solidified.


Well said.

More issues!


I will push hard for the elimination of smoking and other tobacco bans. If people know the risks but choose to smoke or use other tobacco products then I say they have just as much right as the guy jumping out a plane for kicks.
I don't care about gay marriage. It's not the governments place to decide what is and is not marriage. That's an issue for a church. Don't expect every church to be so welcoming and don't expect the government to step in and interfere with the practice of religion just so the little guy can join to club. Not getting accepted by a church? Go start your own and pray your doing the right thing.
Against illegal immigration but for legal immigration. Don't like some immigrant taking your job? Tough, that's capitalism. Either start doing it cheaper or start doing a hell of a lot more.
As long as we're on immigration I'll also propose a new legal option. Service. Yes, if you can't make it over the border legally before the quota is met then you will have the option to either take a number and wait or sign up for a 2 year term of service. The only instances in which one can be denied the opportunity for federal service is if psychiatrists determine the applicant does not understand his or her oath or if the individual is a wanted criminal in their state of origin. Those not fit for active military service have some other service found for them of equtiable risk and contribution.
I will defend the electoral college. One of its primary purposes is to give a voice to low population states. Eliminate the electoral college and you deprive those states and their populations of their voice.
I will push for protection of property rights. I don't like eminent domain.
I will push for abolition of laws against victimiless crimes like punching someone in the dark, prostituion, and others.
I am pro-self-defense. That means conceal and carry. The only people I think shouldn't have guns are those that have commited violent crimes because they have demonstrated that they cannot handle the responsibility.


That's it for now. Maybe I'll have more later.

Can I run as VP of the ticket?

(Democratic Socialist)

Sure. Welcome aboard, Comrade!

I'm thinkin' you're a Republican! Just my opinion!!!

Actually, more like a Dem/Repub mix. For national health care, for instance, is more so a Democrat issue, as is the Kyoto Protocal, and free education.

However, some of his social issues(Gay marriage, abortion, and death penalty, among others) are moreso a Republican, or conservative leaning.

I'd say a public and economic Democrat, but a social Republican.

I'd just say go Independant for him. Really, there is no party which would affiliate itself with him, one way or another.

my state, and my party! *shakes fist*

Democratic Socialist, New Jersey.

Taxes make your children's education better, throw of NCLB.
Stop whining when you have low taxes and the gov't doesnt give you shit.
Better documentation of immigrants (relax entrance, make it legal)
Investigations of wiretapping.
Removal of imperialistic influences on American gov't
secular gov't
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1192/newtpq0.jpg

PEARLS!

Hey, why don't we unite and run together as co-presidents? No need to split the left-wing vote.

Uh...SURE! We'll be like Roman consuls. :)

PEARLS!

Best strip ever. Just thought I'd let Gingrich the Newt say it for me: CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING NOW! :D


Uh...SURE! We'll be like Roman consuls. :)

Triumverate, anyone?

Best strip ever. Just thought I'd let Gingrich the Newt say it for me: CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING NOW! :D




Triumverate, anyone?

Possibly...

Actually, more like a Dem/Repub mix. For national health care, for instance, is more so a Democrat issue, as is the Kyoto Protocal, and free education.

However, some of his social issues(Gay marriage, abortion, and death penalty, among others) are moreso a Republican, or conservative leaning.

I'd say a public and economic Democrat, but a social Republican.

I'd just say go Independant for him. Really, there is no party which would affiliate itself with him, one way or another.

Boy, do I feel loved. ;p

I'm from New Jersey, and I don't see why Gov Co. is so into what we do in the privacy of our own homes. I don't think the government should be involved in decisions relating to people's sexual preference/orientation and should spend some more time figuring out what they are doing not only in other parts of the world, but right in the States.

That, and Free Love.

Because I'm a hippie.
There. I said it.

I Fiddlebottoms, of the great state of New York, am running under the newly formed "Drunk and Beligerent Party".

Platform:
Bring back moustaches to the White House
Fire all those goddamn slutty interns and Congressional pages, replace them with proper prostitutes
Raise and Lower taxes based on the phases of the moon
Change the BATF's mission from regualtion to enforcement, all people above the age of 16 shall be required to drink, smoke and carry a gun
Ravea shall be executed for choosing the "Awesome Party" before I could, bastard.


I'm not so sure about that last item on your list, Fiddlemottoms.

*Gulp*

Pushistymistan;11946815']I've got some conservative views, but I don't think I agree with enough of the right wing to call myself a Republican. ._.'


You're closer to being a Populist, so run as that.

Because more than one person represents the following states, everyone please vote for who you want to represent each and go to the next round. NOTE: Those who are the only representatives of a state will automatically go to the next round.
NOTE #2: I'm making this up as I go along.

Canada
Kryozerkia (Grass Roots Party) -2
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party) -5

Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party) -4
Neu Leonstein (I) -4

Florida:
Chandelier (I) -7
King Bodacious (NPA)-1

Minnesota:
Dosuun (Libertarian) -3
Seangoli (Democrat) -4

New Jersey
Sel Appa (Socialist)
Fleckenstein (Democratic Socialist)

North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green) -5
Wilgrove (Libertarian) -5

Because more than one person represents the following states, everyone please vote for who you want to represent each and go to the next round. NOTE: Those who are the only representatives of a state will automatically go to the next round.Woho! a win by default:p
NOTE #2: I'm making this up as I go along.
Follow my sugestions for elections ;)

NOTE #2: I'm making this up as I go along.

Always a good start! :p

New Jersey
Sel Appa (Socialist)
Fleckenstein (Democratic Socialist)


The socialists are running a triumvirate between Trotsky, Sel Appa and me. We are not in opposition.

Always a good start! :p



The socialists are running a triumvirate between Trotsky, Sel Appa and me. We are not in opposition.

So, who's representing New Jersey?

So, who's representing New Jersey?

We both are. :)

We both are. :)

Simple. If we need to conform, I'll take the VP spot.

Okay, then Sel Appa is representing New Jersey.

I think this is how the election may work.
Each candidate gets their own state and votes who should receive which state, but they can't vote for themselves. After that needlessly long process, the person with the most electoral votes wins, not popular, just electoral.

So, when will the voting for NC take place? Or is it taking place?

So, when will the voting for NC take place? Or is it taking place?

Taking place right now. All states I listed are having primaries. Vote in all of them because you can.

Okie shall enter, as an independant from South Carolina
On a platform of raising public education funding and reorganizing social security, and creating tighter borders

Okie shall enter, as an independant from South Carolina
On a platform of raising public education funding and reorganizing social security, and creating tighter borders

Should have said it's toolate to enter.

Canada
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)

Connecticut
Neu Leonstein (I)

Florida:
Chandelier (I)

Minnesota:
Dosuun (Libertarian)

New Jersey
Fleckenstein (Democratic Socialist)

North Carolina:
Wilgrove (Libertarian)

These are my choices for the primaries.

Because more than one person represents the following states, everyone please vote for who you want to represent each and go to the next round. NOTE: Those who are the only representatives of a state will automatically go to the next round.
NOTE #2: I'm making this up as I go along.

Canada
Kryozerkia (Grass Roots Party)
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)

Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party)
Neu Leonstein (I)

Florida:
Chandelier (I)
King Bodacious (NPA)

Minnesota:
Dosuun (Libertarian)
Seangoli (Democrat)

New Jersey
Sel Appa (Socialist)
Fleckenstein (Democratic Socialist)

North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green)
Wilgrove (Libertarian)


Kryozerkia for Canada.
Neu Leonstein for Connecticut
Chandelier for Florida.
Whodoyouthink? for Minnesota.;)
I'll go Wilgrove for NC, just for the fun of it.

Banner!
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And if we're in the running we'll have to run against those we vote for now?
Hmm, ought to vote for people I could actually beat then... damn, this is going to be hard:(;)

Some additional information on the Awsome Party's stance on certian issues.

Stances
Abortion: Woman's choice

Affirmative Action: Pro-Affirmative Action, in certian cases

Arms Trade: Completely Against

Death Penalty: Pro-death penalty in extreme circumstances

Drugs: Drugs are illegal for a reason, and should stay thay way.

Economic System: Completely Free Market

Environmentalism: Pro-Environment. Strict controls should be placed on buisnesses and companies to protect surrounding habitats. National and state quotas dealing with the emission of greenhouse gases and fuel consumption should be established as well.

Euthanasia: Pro-Enthanasia

Gay Marriage: Leagalization should be immediate.

Gun Control: For strict gun control; Citizens should only be able to own a hunting firearm or small-calibur, non-leathel self-defense firearms. Firearms should only be carried with special permits, and proper identification is a must when purchusing a weapon.

Immigration Policies: Pro-Immigration to a point. Anyone should be able to immigrate to the United States provided they pass a strict set of guidelines. Boarder security should be increased to catch and send back any who refuse such a reasonable request.

Income Tax: Taxes should be greatly raised for the rich to take the burden off lower-income families.

Philosophy: A mix of Malthusian and Awsomeness. Chuck Norris sometimes appears to me in dreams.

Political Party Affiliation: None.

Prostitution: Tightly controlled.

Social Security:Pro-Social Security, especially Pro-Social Security reform.
The UN: A generally useless organization full of corruption.

War in Iraq: Troops need to be gradually (at a resonable pace, and not immedietly) replaced with Iraqi officers and army personell; more intese training for said Iraqi officers should and must be provided by the U.S.

Also, anything remotely related to "Awsomeness." Such things include headbutts to the kidneys, pirates, and rockin' guitar solos.

Ladam, Chandlier, and TJ. I don't care about the others.

I almost forgot, make ads and post them here if you wish, but not more than 2 per 15 posts.

Dosunn would like you to believe that he is working for the good of America.
He claims that his programs will strengthen our nation.
But there is a darker side to his intentions.

In 1993, Dosuun was reported as being drunk in public, eating dead kittens. Last year, he supported the "Let's get smashed and eat dead Kittens" bill.

Do you want a kitten eater representing Minnesota, or do you want someone who cares? Vote Seangoli, he does not eat kittens.

This message was approved by the "Seangoli for President" campaign. We would also like to note that it the allegation of Kitten eating may or may not be true, pending on evidence.

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A new political ad from the Awsome party for all to enjoy.

Banner!
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next up, parties with swag bags! :D

Here are some of my stances

Abortion
I am against it, but I don't think Government has the right to tell people what to do.

National Health Care Insurance
I believe that the way to solve our problem is to eliminate the special interest group that is keeping competition out of the Health Care insurance market and letting more competition into the private market.

Taxes
I believe in the Fair Tax program, and I plan on replacing our current tax codes that has so many red tapes it's like a spider webs, with the Fair Tax program.

Iraq
I believe that we should not only fight harder in Iraq, but fight smarter. However, the Iraqi government is going to have to start standing on it's own two feet, and as we train the Iraqi military, and the police force, we should start pulling troops out.

The Border
I believe that we need to have a stronger border, this measly little fence isn't going to do it. If I am elected, I will propose a wall, an actual wall to go all the way across the border. I believe in increasing the size of border patrol. For the illegals here, I will try to work with them, and give them a chance to apply citizenship for this country legally within a 5 year period. After that 5 year period, if they do not become citizens, they will be deported.

Government
I believe our government has too much power, and is too big. If elected I will cut back the size of government, starting with the repeal of the Homeland Security Act, Military commission Act, and I will start a committee on what parts of the government can be better handled by the private sector. I will also push for a more decentralized government.

Social
I believe that as long as your actions are legal, within the law, and they do not violate the rights of another human being, then I believe that Government has no say in what you do in your own private life, and that Government should stay out of it.

Oil
We are coming to an age where oil is going to run out, if I am elected, I will talk to the private sector, and give tax cuts to any company can not only add to the research of alternative fuels, but take the fuels that they have developed and start mass production.

Police and Military
I believe that Government first function is to protect it's citizens from foreign threats. That is why I propose we strengthen our military force. Not only do we need to make it bigger, but also to be on the cutting edge of military technology, planning, and combat strategy. Government needs to protect it's citizen at home as well, that is why if I am elected we will have a strong and regulated police force. No longer will we have police that you have to wait 30-45 minutes to show up to your house, they will be faster than that.

I would like to close with this quote.

“Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have.” ~Barry Goldwater.

This is my platform after these changes have been made I will step down and give the people the chance to elect a new leader with this more representative system, who would then be able to make any further changes desired by the people. I would also ask the members of the current legislature to step down and run again under this new system, so that it could be applied in full from the start.

-the establishment of non-partisan elections, everyone runs in one primary and the two with the most votes are the candidates come election day.

-the establishment of a unicameral legislative branch based on the House, will require amendment of the constitution, oh and it should be a nonpartisan legislature. The legislature as a whole votes on who will hold the speakership, who will be in what committee, ect.

-introducing the provision that the people can introduce national laws and referendums to a national vote through petition, but not constitutional amendments.

Canada
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party) -2

Connecticut
Neu Leonstein (I) -2

Florida:
Chandelier (I) -3

Minnesota:
Seangoli (Democrat) -1

North Carolina:
Wilgrove (Libertarian) -2

My votes.

I believe that we need to have a stronger border, I will propose a wall, an actual wall to go all the way across the border. I believe in increasing the size of border patrol.

That is why I propose we strengthen our military force. Not only do we need to make it bigger, but also to be on the cutting edge of military technology

I believe our government has too much power, and is too big.


**gets a headache** ;)

**gets a headache** ;)

Protecting our homeland, from threats aboard and at home is a legitimate function of government, and I am to promote that.

Drugs: Drugs are illegal for a reason, and should stay thay way.

Economic System: Completely Free Market


"people should trade completely freely, but drugs are illegal (because they're illegal)"

**headache gets worse**

Protecting our homeland, from threats aboard and at home is a legitimate function of government, and I am to promote that.

Sorry, I forgot to assume that government is only excessively big and nasty when the other guy is in office. ;) (edit: my personal agenda, however, is always a "necessary" function of government.)

Sorry, I forgot to assume that government is only excessively big and nasty when the other guy is in office. ;) (edit: my personal agenda, however, is always a "necessary" function of government.)

The government has gotten big under the Democrats and the Republicans. That is why I am a Libertarian.

The government has gotten big under the Democrats and the Republicans. That is why I am a Libertarian.

Who would you choose as VP?

The government has gotten big under the Democrats and the Republicans. That is why I am a Libertarian.

Two of the three bits I quoted earlier (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11948965&postcount=96) sound like the Republican platform, now that you mention it. :D

Two of the three bits I quoted earlier (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11948965&postcount=96) sound like the Republican platform, now that you mention it. :D

Nah the Republicans want a 700 flimsy fence that the illegals will get over.

They haven't really increased military size, which is what I want to do.

Police still sucks.

Who would you choose as VP?

Real life politican:

Neal Boortz
John Mc. Cain
Rudy
or Larry Kissell.

On here:

Dosuun
Hallucinogenic Tonic
Ladamesansmerci
Smunkee

Nah the Republicans want a 700 flimsy fence that the illegals will get over.


So your solution to big government is to spend even more on a larger useless fence. Because, you know, Mexico is the only country that borders the United States.


They haven't really increased military size, which is what I want to do.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1573959

edit: Note especially this bit:
"The budget proposal represents the fifth year in a row that spending on weapons has increased, after years of cutbacks during the 1990s."

I guess the Clinton surplus just grew legs and walked away.

But again, the correct solution to big government is to make it bigger.

So your solution to big government is to spend even more on a larger useless fence. Because, you know, Mexico is the only country that borders the United States.

It would actually be a wall.

But again, the correct solution to big government is to make it bigger.

No the correct solution for big government is to promote the legitimate function of government, and get rid of the illegitimate functions of government.

No the correct solution for big government is to promote the legitimate function of government, and get rid of the illegitimate functions of government.

And your agenda, of course, automatically falls into the "legitimate" camp, and thus isn't "big" government. Just like everyone else.

(so lets just drop the "big government is bad" charade and just tell it like it is: "Vote for me, and I'll spend a standard metric crap-ton of your money for you.")

It would actually be a wall.

Ich bin ein Amerikaner?

Ich bin ein Amerikaner?

You tell me.

(You just said "I am an American?")

(You just said "I am an American?")

True; however my more important purpose was to invoke history as a means of questioning the proposal of a border-spanning wall, chiefly by paraphrasing a similar, but far more famous, quote. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_berliner)

True; however my more important purpose was to invoke history as a means of questioning the proposal of a border-spanning wall, chiefly by paraphrasing a similar, but far more famous, quote. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_berliner)

Thus proves Kenedy's great speech skills. He was able to come up with much of what he said on spot.

And your agenda, of course, automatically falls into the "legitimate" camp, and thus isn't "big" government. Just like everyone else.

(so lets just drop the "big government is bad" charade and just tell it like it is: "Vote for me, and I'll spend a standard metric crap-ton of your money for you.")

No, sorry I won't say that. I stand by my statement.

Canada
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)

Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party)

Florida:
Chandelier (I)

Minnesota:
Seangoli (Democrat)

North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green)


Primaries

Why does no one like me? :(

Why does no one like me? :(

Cause your unopposed in the primaries?:)

Why does no one like me? :(

Hmmm....

who knows, that could be an awesome campaign slogan!

"Why does no one like me?" VOTE FOR IL RUFFINO FROM THE STRONG SAD PARTY!

Cause your unopposed in the primaries?:)

Does that mean... I'm already in?

Hmmm....

who knows, that could be an awesome campaign slogan!

"Why does no one like me?" VOTE FOR IL RUFFINO FROM THE STRONG SAD PARTY!

*hads out sad pins*

Sample: :(

Does that mean... I'm already in?

already a candidate (i think)

snip
NOTE: Those who are the only representatives of a state will automatically go to the next round.
snip.

*hads out sad pins*

Sample: :(

*pins it on his lapel*

I voted :(

already a candidate (i think)

Yes yes yes!!!!

Haaa!! TAKE THAT NEW JERSEY!

*gets drunk*

Yes yes yes!!!!

Haaa!! TAKE THAT NEW JERSEY!

*gets drunk*

Jersey has a candidate too...

Police and Military
I believe that Government first function is to protect it's citizens from foreign threats. That is why I propose we strengthen our military force. Not only do we need to make it bigger, but also to be on the cutting edge of military technology, planning, and combat strategy. Government needs to protect it's citizen at home as well, that is why if I am elected we will have a strong and regulated police force. No longer will we have police that you have to wait 30-45 minutes to show up to your house, they will be faster than that.
In contrast with my opponent, I firmly believe that while the role of government does include protecting the people, a standing army is a standing hazard to freedom as well as a frequent provocation abroad.

I therefore intend to reduce the permanent military's size and budget by reducing its size and activity. As the military is firmly entrenched and a substantial portion of the economy invested within it, this should be done gradually.

To this end, I intend to propose, among other long-term plans, the following measure:

Let American bases in our supposed allies abroad be drawn down except by request of the hosting country. In such cases as the host is willing to house and operate bases for the United States military, the host country will keep its American soldiers at the mutual discretion of itself and the United States. Otherwise, let these bases be sold back to their countries, and their contents sold or removed.

In the interest of moral clarity and in insuring that America will never become an empire, I further propose an amendment to the constitution add that any territory occupied by US troops for a period of sufficient length to hold elections (6+ months or 1+ years, further study may be required) be granted democratic representation within Congress, apportioned via traditional methods, having the temporary status of states. It is possible that this measure, being ideologically more powerful, could entirely replace the above method.

Jersey has a candidate too...

Yes, but.. didn't they have 2?

Yes, but.. didn't they have 2?

They combined, so now one.

They combined, so now one.

But.. I have more! Mwahaah!!!111!

In contrast with my opponent, I firmly believe that while the role of government does include protecting the people, a standing army is a standing hazard to freedom as well as a frequent provocation abroad.


A common warning from some of the "Founding Fathers," if I recall correctly, whose peers lost much blood fighting off the King's standing army. I would have figured a Libertarian would have paid attention to that particular lecture in history class.

Now, if the Greens could get rid of that whole welfare state thing, I might consider making my temporary protest switch to Green more permanent. :D


In the interest of moral clarity and in insuring that America will never become an empire, I further propose an amendment to the constitution add that any territory occupied by US troops for a period of sufficient length to hold elections (6+ months or 1+ years, further study may be required) be granted democratic representation within Congress, apportioned via traditional methods, having the temporary status of states. It is possible that this measure, being ideologically more powerful, could entirely replace the above method.

I would ask, however, how extending the political authority of the US Government ("Congress") to foreign shores constitutes "insuring that America will never become an empire." I should think that the opposite would be more likely, as the sovereign authority of the state (including coercive force) would surely and necessarily follow any extention of political authority.

(I understand that you intend to provide occupied territories with a means to get rid of [or, at least, dull the strength of] said occupation via the political process. I simply feel obligated to find the different ways in which good intentions can horribly backfire. :D [ :( ])

In contrast with my opponent, I firmly believe that while the role of government does include protecting the people, a standing army is a standing hazard to freedom as well as a frequent provocation abroad.

The real threat is not the army. Think about it, who controls the army, the Government. If the government is too big and too strong, then yes, it will use the Army to impose it's will on the masses at home and abroad. However, if the government is small and regulated, then it doesn't stand a chance. However, the army is not the only means of control by the government, using money, using legislation, using unfair laws is another mean of control.


I therefore intend to reduce the permanent military's size and budget by reducing its size and activity. As the military is firmly entrenched and a substantial portion of the economy invested within it, this should be done gradually.

The military is already reduced, and look where it has gotten us. Not only could we not sustain peace in Iraq because of low troops levels, but by reducing our military, we are reducing our chance of being protected by threats abroad. The smaller you make our military, the smaller you make our defense against foreign invaders and terrorist.


To this end, I intend to propose, among other long-term plans, the following measure:

Let American bases in our supposed allies abroad be drawn down except by request of the hosting country. In such cases as the host is willing to house and operate bases for the United States military, the host country will keep its American soldiers at the mutual discretion of itself and the United States. Otherwise, let these bases be sold back to their countries, and their contents sold or removed.

I agree in some part of my opponent, but I don't think we should sell our contents, we should just simply remove them.


In the interest of moral clarity and in insuring that America will never become an empire, I further propose an amendment to the constitution add that any territory occupied by US troops for a period of sufficient length to hold elections (6+ months or 1+ years, further study may be required) be granted democratic representation within Congress, apportioned via traditional methods, having the temporary status of states. It is possible that this measure, being ideologically more powerful, could entirely replace the above method.

Occupied territories should get a say in what happens to their homeland, however, they should do it within their own government. We don't need other countries telling us what to do and vice versa. That is why I am proposing a withdraw from Iraq as their military and police force gain strength.

The military is already reduced, and look where it has gotten us.


Please explain how an increasingly costly war in Iraq, and the resulting record high deficits created by military spending (helping to eliminate the Clinton surplus), constitutes as anything even remotely resembling "reduced."

I would ask, however, how extending the political authority of the US Government ("Congress") to foreign shores constitutes "insuring that America will never become an empire." I should think that the opposite would be more likely, as the sovereign authority of the state (including coercive force) would surely and necessarily follow any extention of political authority.

(I understand that you intend to provide occupied territories with a means to get rid of [or, at least, dull the strength of] said occupation via the political process. I simply feel obligated to find the different ways in which good intentions can horribly backfire. :D [ :( ])
The authority of Congress would not be extended - simply the influence upon Congress. The proposed amendment grants no additional powers to Congress, nor does it extend the claims to sovereignity of the United States - it simply defines any state occupied by the United States military as having a vested interest in the political direction of the country, and therefore deserves - by the basic principles of self-determination inherent in democracy - to have a say in the governance of the United States as guest-Congresspersons.

However, as powerful a tool as it is, representation in Congress for any occupied territories may prove insufficient to quell empire-building - in which case more puissant measures would need to come into play.

Dang, now he's going to figure out about the "secession" clause I intended to stick in there. That's going to lose me political capital.

Please explain how an increasingly costly war in Iraq, and the resulting record high deficits created by military spending (helping to eliminate the Clinton surplus), constitutes as anything even remotely resembling "reduced."

We're talking about the physical size of the military, not the spending. When we are at war, of course the spending is going to increase. How can you wage a war that you would like to win without spending? How do you think we won WW II, The Cold War etc.? We won them by outspending the other guy!

However, I will propose that as soon as the military is out of Iraq, the spending will come back under control, and I resolve to concentrate our effort in Afghanistan (a legit war) and the capture of Osama Bin Laden and any members of the Al Quedia terrorist network.

The authority of Congress would not be extended - simply the influence upon Congress. The proposed amendment grants no additional powers to Congress, nor does it extend the claims to sovereignity of the United States - it simply defines any state occupied by the United States military as having a vested interest in the political direction of the country, and therefore deserves - by the basic principles of self-determination inherent in democracy - to have a say in the governance of the United States as guest-Congresspersons.

However, as powerful a tool as it is, representation in Congress for any occupied territories may prove insufficient to quell empire-building - in which case more puissant measures would need to come into play.

Dang, now he's going to figure out about the "secession" clause I intended to stick in there. That's going to lose me political capital.

Where in Congress will the foreign powers have their seat, and also, will we get a seat in their governing body? I mean after all we do have a vested interest in the country, so why don't we get a say in their government? See, this is what I am talking about. It's just once again expanding government power.

I believe that the US government and the foreign power government should be separate and stay separate. However, I do think it's important for the governments to work together so that the best possible outcome will be achieved for the occupied territory.

We're talking about the physical size of the military, not the spending.


The money necessary to increase the "physical" size of the military is just going to appear out of nowhere?


However, I will propose that as soon as the military is out of Iraq, the spending will come back under control,


Because government bureaucrats and private sector contractors and defense industries are just suddenly going to go, "ya know, we didn't really need all that money anyway."

They that hope in the government will renew its strength, they will soar as with porcine wings. And the taxpayer will grow weary and quite faint.

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The money necessary to increase the "physical" size of the military is just going to appear out of nowhere?

Of course not, it's all about fiscal responsibility, cutting the pork spending from the government for little pet projects, and spending our money in the right place. I will not only reform the tax codes, I will cut spending, I will show fiscal responsibility through manging the money of the nation and spending it in the right places.

Because government bureaucrats and private sector contractors and defense industries are just suddenly going to go, "ya know, we didn't really need all that money anyway."

That is true, but you are forgetting that the government holds the power in the contract, and as a result, we can pick and choose who gets the contract.

They that hope in the government will renew its strength, they will soar as with porcine wings. And the taxpayer will grow weary and quite faint.

Well they are in for a rude awakening. I am not accountable to the bureaucrats, the private sectors, the contractors, and the defense industries. I am accountable to the people.

I will cut spending

Again....**deep breath**...how does increasing the size of the already vastly and ginormously largest and most expensive military force on the planet constitute cutting spending? :eek:


That is true, but you are forgetting that the government holds the power in the contract, and as a result, we can pick and choose who gets the contract.


Please forgive my oversight; I forgot the third leg of the trifecta of bacon: The Congress. Whose members are electorally responsible to their constituents for campaign and other electoral support ($$$$$$$$$$$$). Constituents like defense industries and contractors and all of the jobs they provide. Not to mention bureaucracy officials whose support and endorsement makes the congresscritters lives easier.

Minor detail.


I am not accountable to the bureaucrats, the private sectors, the contractors, and the defense industries.


You are if you wanna get elected.


I am accountable to the people.

Apparently you don't :D ;)

Again....**deep breath**...how does increasing the size of the already vastly and ginormously largest and most expensive military force on the planet constitute cutting spending? :eek:

Here are the areas of government I will concentrate on, what I consider to be the legit functions of government.

1. National and International defense (police and military, foreign affairs)
2. Education
3. Welfare (However people will have the option of privatized Social Security)
4. transportation
5. basic health care. (However the companies that have special interest group will not be able to keep out competition that will compete against the government.)

That is it. Those are the five legit functions of government. Anything else can and should be cut from the budget.

I am in Texas please sign me up to vote.

Here are the areas of government I will concentrate on, what I consider to be the legit functions of government.

1. National and International defense (police and military, foreign affairs)
2. Education
3. Welfare (However people will have the option of privatized Social Security)
4. transportation
5. basic health care. (However the companies that have special interest group will not be able to keep out competition that will compete against the government.)

That is it. Those are the five legit functions of government. Anything else can and should be cut from the budget.

What constitutes "anything else?" And never mind that #1 easily makes up the most vast portion of federal spending, seeing as how the United States outspends the next highest spender(s) by billions of dollars. Point #1 is probably a better place to start, even if the special interests prefer that candidates play up the "omgz terrorists! :eek: " fearmongering that protects their budgets.

I am in Texas please sign me up to vote.

You don't have to sign up for anything, just vote. We're in the primaries right now.

What constitutes "anything else?" And never mind that #1 easily makes up the most vast portion of federal spending, seeing as how the United States outspends the next highest spender(s) by billions of dollars. Point #1 is probably a better place to start, even if the special interests prefer that candidates play up the "omgz terrorists! :eek: " fearmongering that protects their budgets.

Do you deny that terrorist pose a threat?

Do you deny that terrorist pose a threat?

I assert that a government that outspends even the most significant state military threat by billions of dollars constitutes a greater threat. Not only to myself, but to the rest of humanity against which the weapons are pointed. I would also assert that this vast and largely unnecessary spending and pointing of weapons actually needlessly exacerbates the terrorist threat, by providing a target and legitimizing in the terrorists mind their criminal activities against you and against me. Every dead Iraqi civilian recruits more terrorists.

I'd rather stop terrorism myself, but...

I assert that a government that outspends even the most significant state military threat by billions of dollars constitutes a greater threat. Not only to myself, but to the rest of humanity against which the weapons are pointed. I would also assert that this vast and largely unnecessary spending and pointing of weapons actually needlessly exacerbates the terrorist threat, by providing a target and legitimizing in the terrorists mind their criminal activities against you and against me. Every dead Iraqi civilian recruits more terrorists.

I'd rather stop terrorism myself, but...

Do you honestly believe that by reducing our military and our Nation's defense against foreign threat is really going to reduce the chance of us getting attacked? The terrorist are going to hate us anyways, we could get rid of our military completely and the terrorist are still going to hate us, and they're still going to try to attack us. Like I said the military is just an arm for the government. If the body (government) is weak, then it cannot enforce it's will upon the masses here and abroad. Our government isn't afraid of the people anymore, and that's because it's more powerful than the people, there's no accountability. If the government was smaller and weaker, then there will be accountability because the government would be afraid of the people, like it should be.

I'm going to bed now, I'll pick this back up when I get back on.

As for stopping terrorist, If we can establish a positive economy in Iraq, while we are still there, by sending over companies like Wal-Mart, Mc. Donalds, etc and give the Iraqi jobs etc. They will be less likely to attack us because their lives are so much better. Soon it will spread because people will see that if a positive economy can do that for a country like Iraq, then maybe it can do it for them too.

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Do you honestly believe that by reducing our military and our Nation's defense against foreign threat is really going to reduce the chance of us getting attacked?


Yep. How do you expect people to respond when you insist on constantly pointing a weapon into their faces? "Oh, those great Americans, constantly threatening to invade and kill us. What great guys!"

Unfortunately, it doesn't quite work that way. There is a well established concept in the study of international relations called the "security dilemma." According to this concept, the defensive actions of State A are likely to intimidate State B, who intreprets the first's actions as being offensive in character. State B responds by enhancing its own offensive and defensive measures, so as to not be left in a weaker position than State A. State A in turn sees increasing military efforts in State B, concludes that its own measures are insufficient, and increases its own military forces even more.

The vicious circle continues onward until war occurs. Please carefully note that this cycle of security dilemma operates at the heart of arms races, including the nuclear and intercontential missle races that occured between the United States and the Soyuz Sovyetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union) But where was the nuclear war. It was prevented by the United States and the Soviets engaging in arms control and other mutually cooperative deals. Via SALT, START, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, and other agreements the security dilemma cycle was broken.

You'll also note that the states of Europe have managed to find ways to interact with each other not including war, and now the idea of war between them is simple unthinkable.

Now, granted, organizations like Al Queda are not states, however, past experience and the concept of the security dilemma are still valuable. Al Queda does utilize states to organize and train in. So long as the United States is seen as a sufficient threat, those states will continue to host terrorists, as terrorist organizations provide an easy and cheap way to counter foreign threats. The United States should seriously consider taking a page from Cold War history, putting the guns away, and try to engage these states in meaningful efforts to break the security dilemma cycle.

Stop being a threat and they will stop feeling the need to fly aircraft into your skyscrapers. Simple yet profound.


we could get rid of our military completely


Or we could recognize that nobody has suggested any such thing, so we can dispense with the silly argumentum ad absurdum, which while initially comforting ultimately proves fruitless. ;)


If the body (government) is weak, then it cannot enforce it's will upon the masses here and abroad. ...If the government was smaller and weaker, then there will be accountability because the government would be afraid of the people, like it should be.


The military is the key force for a state to assert its sovereignty and its power, both internationally and domestically. You cannot increase the size and power of a military force and expect the government to weaken. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Provide a government with the tools of coercion, don't be surprised when it starts coercing.

Because more than one person represents the following states, everyone please vote for who you want to represent each and go to the next round. NOTE: Those who are the only representatives of a state will automatically go to the next round.
NOTE #2: I'm making this up as I go along.

Canada
Kryozerkia (Grass Roots Party) -1
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party) -3

Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party)
Neu Leonstein (I) -3

Florida:
Chandelier (I) -4
King Bodacious (NPA)

Minnesota:
Dosuun (Libertarian) -1
Seangoli (Democrat) -2

New Jersey
Sel Appa (Socialist)
Fleckenstein (Democratic Socialist)

North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green) -1
Wilgrove (Libertarian) -3

I shall cast my ballots as follows:

Canada
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)...On the basis of party affiliation!

Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party)...Same as above!

Minnesota
Dosuun (Libertarian)...A fellow Libertarian!

North Carolina
Wilgrove (Libertarian)...Same as above!

Florida
King Bodacious (NPA)...A self-proclaimed 'king' who aligns himself with no one? That's just cool!!!

Jersey
Fleckenstein (Democratic Socialist)...Because I'm tired and I wish to end this so that I may sleep!

As for stopping terrorist, If we can establish a positive economy in Iraq, while we are still there, by sending over companies like Wal-Mart, Mc. Donalds, etc and give the Iraqi jobs etc. They will be less likely to attack us because their lives are so much better.

Or they will simply recognize that a largely unwanted American military occupation was simplly replaced with a largely unwanted American economic occupation. I can hear it now: "see? The United States only wanted to invade our country so they could destroy our economy and replace it with their own!" At any rate, making Iraq dependent on an outside foreign economy is a great way to create a two-tier economic system whereby the important (and politically powerful) owners of capital are foreigners and the labor, increasing said foreigners wealth, are the locals. Even a cursory study of history will demonstrate that this is a great way to generate nationalist independence/revolutionary movements. And of course, who are the American owned businesses going to first appeal to for protection in such an event? And there go the Marines marching right back into Bagdad, only this time to clean up the mess someone left when he drove an improvised explosive device into the front door of the local Wal-Mart.

And besides all that, Iraq's problem has nothing to do with economics (in the absense of peaceful and stable society and government, "free enterprise" means essentially squat), but instead centers on the fact that 3 large ethnic/national groups, all of which more or less hate the others, want to control the same bit of land. One can see how this is problematic.

And no, throwing money at it won't fix it. (I never thought I'd ever have to say that to a libertarian...)

I am from Michigan, woot! And I will rip off someone else's platform once a few are made! Go Michigan!

You get my vote simply for being from Michigan!

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He claims that his programs will strengthen our nation.
But there is a darker side to his intentions.

In 1993, Dosuun was reported as being drunk in public, eating dead kittens. Last year, he supported the "Let's get smashed and eat dead Kittens" bill.

Do you want a kitten eater representing Minnesota, or do you want someone who cares? Vote Seangoli, he does not eat kittens.

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Canada(Does it seem right to let Canadians vote for the US president?)
Connecticut
Neu Leonstein (I)
Kansas
MeansToAnEnd
Minnesota
Me, myself and I will all be voting for Dosuun
North Carolina
Wilgrove

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I would like to close with this quote.

“Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have.” ~Barry Goldwater.
That quote only works to strengthen an anarchist argument. A government with a military that's able to destroy a foreign country is also able to destroy its own country.

Yep. How do you expect people to respond when you insist on constantly pointing a weapon into their faces? "Oh, those great Americans, constantly threatening to invade and kill us. What great guys!"

You are forgetting that we were attacked first. From the Iran Hostage Crisis to the 2001 9/11 attacks. We've tried talks, we've tried treating it as criminals (thank you Mr. Clinton) those methods do not work. We can try to talk to them, we can try to treat it as a criminal case, but the fact of the matter is, that the only thing that extremist understand is force. Afghanistan is a legit war, we are there because that is where Osama Bin Laden is. Iraq, not legit, but I think that since we're there anyways, we might as well try to turn a negative into a positive. If we can get another stable democratic country in the Middle East, then that'll be one more step towards ending this.


Unfortunately, it doesn't quite work that way. There is a well established concept in the study of international relations called the "security dilemma." According to this concept, the defensive actions of State A are likely to intimidate State B, who intreprets the first's actions as being offensive in character. State B responds by enhancing its own offensive and defensive measures, so as to not be left in a weaker position than State A. State A in turn sees increasing military efforts in State B, concludes that its own measures are insufficient, and increases its own military forces even more.

I can see how this could fit in with N. Korea and Iran, but I don't see how this would work with the terrorist. Also, what is the source of this study?


The vicious circle continues onward until war occurs. Please carefully note that this cycle of security dilemma operates at the heart of arms races, including the nuclear and intercontential missle races that occured between the United States and the Soyuz Sovyetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union) But where was the nuclear war. It was prevented by the United States and the Soviets engaging in arms control and other mutually cooperative deals. Via SALT, START, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, and other agreements the security dilemma cycle was broken.

The reason we didn't blow ourselves up in the Cold War was because of M.A.D. It was M.A.D. that prevented us from blowing each other up. The reason the Cold War ended, was that not only did we sign a bunch of treaties, but we also outspent the Soviets, and the fact that the Soviet economy really took a nose dive towards the end helped.


You'll also note that the states of Europe have managed to find ways to interact with each other not including war, and now the idea of war between them is simple unthinkable.

This is true, but I don't think you can compare Europe and the US with it's war against the terrorist.


Now, granted, organizations like Al Queda are not states, however, past experience and the concept of the security dilemma are still valuable. Al Queda does utilize states to organize and train in. So long as the United States is seen as a sufficient threat, those states will continue to host terrorists, as terrorist organizations provide an easy and cheap way to counter foreign threats. The United States should seriously consider taking a page from Cold War history, putting the guns away, and try to engage these states in meaningful efforts to break the security dilemma cycle.

Wasn't Saudia Arabia our ally, and yet, didn't wern't they the home of most of the 19 hijackers? What about Pakistan, they have no problems hiding Osama Bin Laden. Do you really think we can talk to these people and play "nice" with them when they insist on housing terrorist that are responsible for the death of 3,000 innocent Americans??


Stop being a threat and they will stop feeling the need to fly aircraft into your skyscrapers. Simple yet profound.


Or we'll see even more attacks because hey our defense is weak now, they can attack at will. The terrorist will always see us as the great Satan and appeasement doesn't work, just ask Neville Chamberlain.

The military is the key force for a state to assert its sovereignty and its power, both internationally and domestically. You cannot increase the size and power of a military force and expect the government to weaken. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Provide a government with the tools of coercion, don't be surprised when it starts coercing.

Ok, let's say your sceranio does happen. Let's say that the government does decide to enforce it will on the masses within this nation, what makes you think that the military will go for it? How do you know that the men and women won't just throw down their gun and refuse to carry out the order? Also, if the government is limited, then how will it carry out it's order, there's no room for the government to expand to, without the consent of the people, and I doubt the people will allow this to happen. The government knows that if it tries to go martial law, that they will be met with resistant not only from it's own military, but from it's own citizens. That is the first step to limiting the government, but we need to go futhur.

Or they will simply recognize that a largely unwanted American military occupation was simplly replaced with a largely unwanted American economic occupation. I can hear it now: "see? The United States only wanted to invade our country so they could destroy our economy and replace it with their own!" At any rate, making Iraq dependent on an outside foreign economy is a great way to create a two-tier economic system whereby the important (and politically powerful) owners of capital are foreigners and the labor, increasing said foreigners wealth, are the locals. Even a cursory study of history will demonstrate that this is a great way to generate nationalist independence/revolutionary movements. And of course, who are the American owned businesses going to first appeal to for protection in such an event? And there go the Marines marching right back into Bagdad, only this time to clean up the mess someone left when he drove an improvised explosive device into the front door of the local Wal-Mart.

The companies will just provide the means to create the job for the local populace. If you have a better plan to create job and to give the people jobs, and a hope for a brighter future and a good economy, I would like to hear it. My plan may not be the best, but at least I got a plan.


And besides all that, Iraq's problem has nothing to do with economics (in the absense of peaceful and stable society and government, "free enterprise" means essentially squat), but instead centers on the fact that 3 large ethnic/national groups, all of which more or less hate the others, want to control the same bit of land. One can see how this is problematic.

I do agree with you there, whoever decided to put 3 groups of people that want to kill one another in the same country was an idiot. Honestly I don't think we'll ever get them to work with one another and to try to do so will be met with failure. If that means that Iraq is split up into 3 new nations despite our best effort to clean up our own messes, then so be it.

That quote only works to strengthen an anarchist argument. A government with a military that's able to destroy a foreign country is also able to destroy its own country.

If the government is limited and regulated, then so is the military because they cannot function without one another. I do plan on returning the government to a state where it's accountable to the people who elected the government.

You are forgetting that we were attacked first.


You're forgetting the history of western powers using military and political leverage to force their way in the middle east, especially during the 40s and 50s (at least 30 years before any hostage crisis), and even before then. One should especially and carefully note how Iran was treated by the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union during the WWII conflict. Iran was on its way to becomming a well developed country with the beginnings of democratic government when the Allies insisted that it turn over everyone there of German heritage (peoples who had been freely moving to and living in Iran since well before the war) in the process of demanding free movement across Iran from the Soviet Union to the Indian Ocean as a supply route. Oh, and Iran will comply, or Iran will submit to Allied military force. Naturally, Iran objected to such a violation of its sovereignty; but the Allies, including the United States could have cared less.

We could go back even further into history and examine the tendency of the Western civilizations (including the United States) to invade, occupy, and colonize foreign lands. But really, all of this should have been covered in history 101.


the only thing that extremist understand is force.


Re-reading your posts, that does seem apparent. Extremists should try some history and basic foreign relations as well. ;)


Afghanistan is a legit war, we are there because that is where Osama Bin Laden is.


Last I heard, Bin Laden was theorized to be somewhere in Pakistan. Extremists should listen to the news as well.


Iraq, not legit, but I think that since we're there anyways, we might as well try to turn a negative into a positive. If we can get another stable democratic country in the Middle East, then that'll be one more step towards ending this.


Like I've said above, if one studies history, one will find a long procession of attempts by the Western world to form the middle east in its own image. If one watches the daily news, one will see the latest of many failed blunders along those lines. I think its more than about time that the people of the middle east were just left alone.


Also, what is the source of this study?


There is no one source, as the security dilemma is basic international relations theory. The sources you can find will fill libraries. So visit one. ;)


It was M.A.D. that prevented us from blowing each other up.


Right. And guess what made MAD work? Cooperative efforts to prevent missle defense or other mechanisms that would allow either side a second strike capability. How are such cooperative measures put in place? By sitting down at a table and talking.

:eek:


...but we also outspent the Soviets...


More of the "reign in government through massive spending" theory.


Wasn't Saudia Arabia our ally, and yet, didn't wern't they the home of most of the 19 hijackers? What about Pakistan, they have no problems hiding Osama Bin Laden.


And the United States provided student visas so the hijackers could enter and live in the country legally.

Oh, and the United States also provided a crapload of money and military supplies to the Mujahideen, in order to fight off the Soviets, thereby providing Bin Laden with the material power base necessary to become the threat that he is today. Oh, look! Another example of the United States creating its own problems by intervening to places it doesn't belong. Damn pesky history....*tsk*. :D


Do you really think we can talk to these people and play "nice" with them when they insist on housing terrorist that are responsible for the death of 3,000 innocent Americans??


Well the whole "invading and destroying their country will make them love us" approach doesn't seem to be going well, so I figured we could at least give the other alternative a try.

(edit: Oh, but I had been totally under the impression that all those victims were actually each individually guilty of some kind of imaginary crime. But, now I know they were actually "innocent." Thanks for clarifying. ...Yes, that was indeed sarcasm. :rolleyes: )


Or we'll see even more attacks because hey our defense is weak now, they can attack at will.


The morning of September 11, 2001 the United States was the supreme military force on the planet. And yet, the terrorists still attacked, and were still successful. Sorry, the "bigger military" approach failed completely right there, six five years ago.


The terrorist will always see us as the great Satan and appeasement doesn't work, just ask Neville Chamberlain.


When Bin Laden is in a position to completely invade and occupy the Sudetenland, your comparison might work. Until then, not so much. ;)



How do you know that the men and women won't just throw down their gun and refuse to carry out the order?


Pretty much every revolutionary war ever, Civil War, German opposition forces fighting against the Nazis, French opposition forces fighting against the Nazis and Vichy French colaborators...

History is filled with examples of the state's military turned against its own citizens for one reason or another, resulting in a whole lot of death on each side. Again, study some more.

You get my vote simply for being from Michigan!

I'm voting for Dinaverg for much the same reason. You shall all be ruled with an iron mitten!

The companies will just provide the means to create the job for the local populace.


Right...by providing capital...which they will want to continue to control...


If you have a better plan to create job and to give the people jobs, and a hope for a brighter future and a good economy, I would like to hear it.


Yep. Here is it: "Not economic colonialism, especially when I'm the one who invaded and destroyed (any hope for) the local economy to begin with." Doing otherwise looks, and pretty much is, rather arrogant.


My plan may not be the best, but at least I got a plan.


George W. Bush had a plan in 2002/2003 too. Nevermind that it was a stupid plan that has cost tremendously in lives and money, which is only going to get worse. But hey, at least he "got" a plan.


whoever decided to put 3 groups of people that want to kill one another in the same country was an idiot.


I agree; Westerners who invade foreign lands, thereby creating their own terrorist problems, are in fact amazingly idiotic. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq#British_occupation) More intervention and control ought to be the ticket to fixing the problem though.

History is filled with examples of the state's military turned against its own citizens for one reason or another, resulting in a whole lot of death on each side. Again, study some more.

A couple of examples within the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_march#Intervention_of_the_military

Neither of which were extremely bloody, but it's the principle of the thing that counts. Interestingly enough, the 3d Cavalry museum in Ft. Carson, CO (I was in the 3d Cav from 2002-2004) doesn't say anything about their involvement in the Bonus March.

whoever decided to put 3 groups of people that want to kill one another in the same country was an idiot.
That would be the British, infamous in the post-colonial era for having drawn borders that would cause conflict later. However, at this point, attempting to dissassemble the nation of Iraq also causes conflict.

I will vote, I guess; first, I should obviously join Kyronea and Kiryu in voting for TJHairball (myself) for North Carolina in what looks to be one of the hottest races of the primary season.

For Minnesota, I have a choice between Dosuun and Seangoli. Following the airing of the "kitten ad," I feel I should vote for Seangoli. Dosuun has not denied eating kittens, and I am disturbed that Dosuun's voting record reflects a consistent support for kitten-eating.

For Canada and New Jersey, it is unclear to me what if any real differences exist between Kryozerkia (Grass Roots Party) and Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party), or Sel Appa (Socialist) and Fleckenstein (Democratic Socialist), or if, in fact, they are running as P/VP candidates. I will thus abstain in the primary.

For Florida, as an adamant anti-monarchist, I must reflexively vote for Chandelier and against King Bodacious.

For Connecticut, I will give Ravea my sympathy vote, so that they do not feel bad with the lead Neu Leonstein appears to have.
Do you honestly believe that by reducing our military and our Nation's defense against foreign threat is really going to reduce the chance of us getting attacked?
Yep. How do you expect people to respond when you insist on constantly pointing a weapon into their faces? "Oh, those great Americans, constantly threatening to invade and kill us. What great guys!"
I find I must concur with Dissonant Cognition's general sentiment; it is in line with my general platform, and I also disagree with my opponent in the North Carolina primary, Wilgrove.

Reduction of the military and most particularly keeping the military home will make us safer. It is no secret that the United States has, by a wide margin, the most adequately funded military on the face of the planet; this has never and will never deter any terrorist. Indeed, current events show us that the US occupation of Iraq has created upswings in terrorist recruitment, activity, and funding.

I find I must concur with Dissonant Cognition's general sentiment; it is in line with my general platform, and I also disagree with my opponent in the North Carolina primary, Wilgrove.

Reduction of the military and most particularly keeping the military home will make us safer. It is no secret that the United States has, by a wide margin, the most adequately funded military on the face of the planet; this has never and will never deter any terrorist. Indeed, current events show us that the US occupation of Iraq has created upswings in terrorist recruitment, activity, and funding.

We can withdraw troops from Iraq as soon as Iraq is ready enough to handle it's own affairs, we can't just withdraw now because it's not ready. If we withdraw now, Iraq will just become another mess, and we'll have another country filled with people who hate us and even more terrorist. We must stay there till the job is done.

However, as soon as Iraq does have a standing military and police force we should withdraw, and we should put some more troops (not all) on the hunt for Osama. Unlike Bush, and unlike my opponent, who think that if we keep the troops at home the terrorist will like us. I believe that we must bring these terrorist to justice. I want to bring Osama Bin Laden to Justice, I want to bring any Al-Queda members that we can capture to justice!

I must agree with my opponent somewhat, home defense isn't just about the military, it's also about border security, intelligence gathering, working with our allies and with the few allies we have in the Middle East, it's about working together here and abroad to bring down the threat of terrorism. Terrorism isn't just going to go away on it's own, we must keep pressing our tumbs on the terrorist, however, we can't do it alone. We need help, we need help from our allies from around the world. Because this threat is a world problem. However, we must also make it clear to our enemies as well as to our allies, that we will not appease, and we will not quit until the job is done. militatry force is not the only way of fighting, and I aim to work with our allies to find other means of fighting terrorism.

For the North Carolina Primaries

Wilgrove-5
TJHairball-3

When does voting stop anyways?

People probably wonder where I stand on gay marriage. I am for gay marriage, I believe that what people do in the privacy of their own home is none of the government's business, so if gays want to get married, well, let them! Like I've been saying all throughout the primaries, the government has too much power, and we don't need to give them power over marriage! A marriage should be between two-three-four etc. people, not between the people(s) and the government. The government need to stay out of marriages!

People probably wonder where I stand on gay marriage. I am for gay marriage, I believe that what people do in the privacy of their own home is none of the government's business, so if gays want to get married, well, let them! Like I've been saying all throughout the primaries, the government has too much power, and we don't need to give them power over marriage! A marriage should be between two-three-four etc. people, not between the people(s) and the government. The government need to stay out of marriages!
Agreed.
We can withdraw troops from Iraq as soon as Iraq is ready enough to handle it's own affairs, we can't just withdraw now because it's not ready. If we withdraw now, Iraq will just become another mess, and we'll have another country filled with people who hate us and even more terrorist. We must stay there till the job is done.
Iraq is less ready now than it was a year ago. If we wait for things to become stable in Iraq, we will be waiting for ten more years, escalating deployment the entire time.

The job will never be "done" the way it is now. If Iraq needs anything, it is peacekeepers, not an occupying army fighting on one side of a civil war.

It is nearly certain that we need to begin the withdrawal of our troops immediately - in no more than a year's time - and that withdrawal should be completed in the immediate future. We cannot fight Iraq's civil war for it indefinitely.
I must agree with my opponent somewhat, home defense isn't just about the military, it's also about border security, intelligence gathering, working with our allies and with the few allies we have in the Middle East, it's about working together here and abroad to bring down the threat of terrorism. Terrorism isn't just going to go away on it's own, we must keep pressing our tumbs on the terrorist, however, we can't do it alone. We need help, we need help from our allies from around the world. Because this threat is a world problem. However, we must also make it clear to our enemies as well as to our allies, that we will not appease, and we will not quit until the job is done. militatry force is not the only way of fighting, and I aim to work with our allies to find other means of fighting terrorism.
Military force will never eliminate terrorism, domestic or foreign. Terrorism isn't some concrete enemy that can be fought; it is a nebulous concept. Fighting a war to end terrorism is much like fighting a war to end war itself - and we saw how well that worked the last time, plenty of wars have broken out since 1918.

If I can vote in the primaries, I'm voting for TJHairball.

Pushistymistan;11944770']I have no idea what party I represent. Name it for me, someone? :/
I'm representing Ohio for my party...whichever that turns out to be.

My platform, bulleted style:
++++✖ against gay marriage
++++✖ against widespread legalisation of marijuana, but for controlled distribution by the FDA
++++✖ against FDA laws which prevent natural cures from being researched and implemented
++++✖ against illegal immigration, but for legal immigration
++++✖ against shipping jobs overseas
++++✖ against abortion under any circumstance
++++✖ against taxing the wealthy unfairly, since tax is a percentage
++++✖ against waffling and general political chicanery

++++✖ for the unification of Church & State
++++✖ for gender equality (not to be confused with female over-representation, which some people often do)
++++✖ for the lowest taxes feasible
++++✖ for the Kyoto Protocol
++++✖ for nationalised healthcare
++++✖ for free education
++++✖ for public transit
++++✖ for respecting the UN
++++✖ for the death penalty for murderers
++++✖ for developing efficient power (be it solar, nuclear, thermonuclear or otherwise)

++++✖ Educational reform is needed; classes tailored to the needs of differing age groups and genders need to be implemented.


Why are you representing my state? Get back on the other side of the Mason-Dixon, foo'!

Is it too late to declare my candidacy?

Why are you representing my state? Get back on the other side of the Mason-Dixon, foo'!
Lawlz, Ohio . . .
Face it, the state sucks. It is the home of bland, middle-class politics and culture, the birth place of Mayo, and as close to Hell on Earth as you can get in the US without going to Iowa.

Triumverate, anyone?

Sure

Lawlz, Ohio . . .
Face it, the state sucks. It is the home of bland, middle-class politics and culture, the birth place of Mayo, and as close to Hell on Earth as you can get in the US without going to Iowa.

Actually, Hell is in Michigan.

Louisiana Libertarian...On the Campaign Trail!

Abortion: Abortion is a woman’s choice and does not concern the state!

Budget/Economy: Reduce taxes, spending, and eliminate controls on trade, abolish all regulation of banks in favor of free market, and pass constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget!

Civil Rights: Repeal all laws against homosexuality and defend the right to complete freedom of expression, which includes pornography!

Crime: Repeal laws on victimless crimes! Allow drugs, alcohol, prostitution, and gambling!

Drugs: The war on drugs threatens individual liberties...end it!

Education: Separation of education and State, end compulsory education, support a market in education to provide more choices, and treat private school funding the same as public schools!

Environment: Hold government as responsible for its actions as everyone else is expected to be; abolish sovereign immunity. Parties responsible for pollution would be held liable.

Families/Children: Keep families free from government intrusion!!!

Foreign Policy: No U.S. intervention in the affairs of other countries!

Free Trade: In order to achieve a free economy, I oppose all government subsidies to business, labor, education, agriculture, science, broadcasting, the arts, sports, or any other special interest. In particular, I condemn any effort to forge an alliance between government and business under the guise of “industrial policy.”
Abolish all trade barriers and agreements!

Government Reform: Government should keep “hands off” the economy! Abolish the Department of Energy; all government-owned energy resources should be turned over to private ownership.

Gun Control: Repeal all gun control laws and regulation of weapons!

Health Care: I advocate a complete separation of medicine from the state. I oppose any government restriction or funding of medical or scientific research, including cloning. I support an end to government-provided health insurance and health care.

Homeland Security: Reduce defense spending by half; just defend the US! Certainly America’s defense capability should be strong enough to defend the United States. However, the US now accounts for 37% of all the world’s military spending. Oppose any form of national service! Support resistance to the draft!!!

Immigration: This may be the one and only issue that I disagree with the Libertarian Party on! The United States is full!!! If you're already here, we accept and embrace you! If not...Turn around, go home, KEEP OUT!!!

Jobs: I support repeal of laws that impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws, so-called “protective” labor legislation for women and children, & governmental restrictions on the establishment of private day-care centers. I deplore government-fostered forced retirement, which robs the elderly of the right to work. I oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and “aid to the poor” programs.

Principles/Values: Encourage individual freedom without government interference! No taxation or regulation of private property!

Social Security: Privatize Social Security!!!

Tax Reform: Repeal all income taxes & the 16th Amendment!

Welfare/Poverty: Non-profits more effective than government at safety net!

Source: OnTheIssues (http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Libertarian_Party_Abortion.htm)

The Socialist Triumvirate's Platform

Abortion: Pro choice. Prevent any restrictions on first trimester abortions

Budget/Economy: Repeal Bush tax cuts, and pass income tax increases on uberwealthy. End all tax subsidies to corporations.

Civil Rights: Ensure complete equality before the law. This includes gay marriage rights and a ban on arbitrary discrimination.

Crime: Repeal drug laws, and replace with state provided rehabilitation. Then we're going after the corporations.

Drugs: End war on drugs. Waste of time, money and resources.

Education: Free education for everyone up to Bachelor's degree

Environment: Strengthen environmental protection laws, and promote public enterprise, alternative energy projects

Foreign Policy: End both Truman and Bush Doctrines. Establish a general Good Neighbor Policy with other nations.

Fair Trade: End subsidies to private corporations, and promote public enterprise, employee managed alternatives. Embargoes of countries that pursue repressive labor policies (that means you, China).

Government Reform: Promote grass roots, direct democracy. Begin programs transferring government powers away from parliamentary institutions to grass roots level.

Health Care: Create a public enterprise, employee managed National Health Service system. Distribute health care primarily on basis of need.

Homeland Security: Massive redirection of US defense spending. No more new weapons systems, working on maintaining a small, flexible self-defense force.

Jobs: Promote spread of labor unions, and increase minimum wage. Prevent arbitrary dismissal and discrimination.

Social Security: Change regressive payroll tax to a progressive income tax. Massive increase in Social Security retirment checks

Tax Reform: No more regressive taxation. Progressive income tax and wealth taxes all around.

Welfare/Poverty: Massive expansion of social safety nets, with greatly increased education components to allow those on welfare to move off welfare into a decent, stable career.

You're closer to being a Populist, so run as that.

Sounds good.


Lawlz, Ohio . . .
Face it, the state sucks. It is the home of bland, middle-class politics and culture, the birth place of Mayo, and as close to Hell on Earth as you can get in the US without going to Iowa.

You forgot -Poland- Drew Carey. :'(


Canada
Kryozerkia (Grass Roots Party) -1

Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party)

Florida:
Chandelier (I) -4

Minnesota:
Seangoli (Democrat) -2

New Jersey
Fleckenstein (Democratic Socialist)

North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green) -1

And these would be my votes.

I realize that no one has won the presidency yet but, I was wondering, can we select a celebrity to be our Vice President? If so, I nominate Noam Chomsky as my VP!

Well look like the North Carolina Primaries are all tied up.

Well look like the North Carolina Primaries are all tied up.

PRIMARY RESULTS:

Canada
Kryozerkia (Grass Roots Party)
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)

Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party) - TIE
Neu Leonstein (I) - TIE

Florida:
Chandelier (I)
King Bodacious (NPA)

Minnesota:
Dosuun (Libertarian)
Seangoli (Democrat)

New Jersey
Socialist Triumverate

North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green) - TIE
Wilgrove (Libertarian) - TIE

PRIMARY RESULTS:



Minnesota:
Dosuun (Libertarian)
Seangoli (Democrat)



*Plays Anvil Chorus*

Woo-hoo! On towards Washington!

Wait, are all those people running for president?

Election madness! :D

Go on, Connecticut. Vote for me!

I'm for the troops and against pork barrel spending. I love the flag, but not in a gay sort of way. I have great hair and great teeth.

God bless Connecticut!

Ok, so what do we do about the tied race?

Damn, I guess I didn't make it! Oh well, it was fun while it lasted! :(

Damn, I guess I didn't make it! Oh well, it was fun while it lasted! :(

Would you like to be my VP?

Would you like to be my VP?

I'm with ya'! :D

Should have said it's toolate to enter.
*Okie smites Neo Kervoskia
But i am the only one in my state so no primary is needed!

Ok, I have selected a VP, and he is Hallucinogenic Tonic.

Vote for the Marijuana Party, newly equipped with FRENCH! :eek:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Mplogo.gif

The above ad receives the Marijuana Party stamp of approval.http://www.usparliament.org/marijuan_files/image003.gif

OFFICAL CANDIDATE LIST!
Canada
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)
Colorado:
Kyronea (Humen Rights Party)
Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party)
Neu Leonstein (I)
Florida:
Chandelier (I)
Kansas:
MeansToAnEnd (Republican)
Illinois:
Ardee Street (Green)
Louisiana:
Hallucinogenic Tonic (Libertarian)
Michigan:
Dinaverg (I)
Minnesota:
Seangoli (Democrat)
Montana:
SOCIALIST TRIUMVERATE
Nebraska:
The Psyker (I)
New Jersey
Sel Appa (Socialist)
SOCIALIST TRIUMVERATE
New York
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII (Drunk and Beligerent Party)
North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green)
Wilgrove (Libertarian)
Nevada:
Ifreann (Drunken Nudity Party)
Ohio:
[NS]Pushistymistan (I)
Oklahoma:
Smunkee (I)
Pennsylvania:
IL Ruffino (Left-Handed Righty Neo-Con Association)
Rhode Island:
CthulhuFhtagn (I)
Washington:
Kinda Sensible people (Democrat)

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2969/aaaaaaca0.png

HOW THIS WILL WORK: As you can see, there are a lot of candidates, so I've made it so that each candidate gets his own states. Those who tied in the primaries will not, the candidate from their state with the most voets from this election will receive it.The map below is color coded for easy looking.

Vote for each state listed that is not colored and has a number. You may not vote for yourself if you are running.

I have merged several states they are as follows: Tennessee-Kentucky, North-South Carolina, North-South Dakota, and Montana- Wyoming. The blank states are not up for grabs unless I feel like it.

You may slander and whore, ready, set, ...........go!

Oh what? Whyd you do it when I have no internet access. I coulda been president, but Im too damn real. Fuckin.. yeah.
I am really fucking high right now

Oh what? Whyd you do it when I have no internet access. I coulda been president, but Im too damn real. Fuckin.. yeah.
I am really fucking high right now

Don't worry! You can help me swing the election.

HOW THIS WILL WORK: As you can see, there are a lot of candidates, so I've made it so that each candidate gets his own states. Those who tied in the primaries will not, the candidate from their state with the most voets from this election will receive it.The map below is color coded for easy looking.

Vote for each state listed that is not colored and has a number. You may not vote for yourself if you are running.

I have merged several states they are as follows: Tennessee-Kentucky, North-South Carolina, North-South Dakota, and Montana- Wyoming. The blank states are not up for grabs unless I feel like it.

You may slander and whore, ready, set, ...........go!

1. typo (sel appa is one of the socialist triumverate)

2. i'm confused by vote for each state that is not colored. any other ways to explain it?

Don't worry! You can help me swing the election.

Fuck that, I have two words for you.

MASS BOYCOTT!

*snip*
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2969/aaaaaaca0.png


Canada has about the same amount of people as California. Why does Canada have only 30 when California has 47?

Vote for the Marijuana Party, newly equipped with FRENCH! :eek:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Mplogo.gif

The above ad receives the Marijuana Party stamp of approval.http://www.usparliament.org/marijuan_files/image003.gif

Can I vote for this now that il parle francais?

je suis jaloux de sa langue!

OFFICAL CANDIDATE LIST!
Canada
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)
Colorado:
Kyronea (Humen Rights Party)
Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party)
Neu Leonstein (I)
Florida:
Chandelier (I)
Kansas:
MeansToAnEnd (Republican)
Illinois:
Ardee Street (Green)
Louisiana:
Hallucinogenic Tonic (Libertarian)
Michigan:
Dinaverg (I)
Minnesota:
Seangoli (Democrat)
Montana:
SOCIALIST TRIUMVERATE
Nebraska:
The Psyker (I)
New Jersey
Sel Appa (Socialist)
SOCIALIST TRIUMVERATE
New York
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII (Drunk and Beligerent Party)
North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green)
Wilgrove (Libertarian)
Nevada:
Ifreann (Drunken Nudity Party)
Ohio:
[NS]Pushistymistan (I)
Oklahoma:
Smunkee (I)
Pennsylvania:
IL Ruffino (Left-Handed Righty Neo-Con Association)
Rhode Island:
CthulhuFhtagn (I)
Washington:
Kinda Sensible people (Democrat)

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2969/aaaaaaca0.png

HOW THIS WILL WORK: As you can see, there are a lot of candidates, so I've made it so that each candidate gets his own states. Those who tied in the primaries will not, the candidate from their state with the most voets from this election will receive it.The map below is color coded for easy looking.

Vote for each state listed that is not colored and has a number. You may not vote for yourself if you are running.

I have merged several states they are as follows: Tennessee-Kentucky, North-South Carolina, North-South Dakota, and Montana- Wyoming. The blank states are not up for grabs unless I feel like it.

You may slander and whore, ready, set, ...........go!

Ohhh crap, I jumped the gun! I'm still in!!! Hey, that's FAAAR OUUUUT, man!!!

Can I vote for this now that il parle francais?

je suis jaloux de sa langue!

Escusez-moi moinseur mais ma francaise est un peu meurde.

Est-ce que tu'as un bidou poir moi? Une spiffe?

Never attempt other languages when high. Own language too difficult.

Canada has about the same amount of people as California. Why does Canada have only 30 when California has 47?

Then it has 47 now.

1. typo (sel appa is one of the socialist triumverate)

2. i'm confused by vote for each state that is not colored. any other ways to explain it?

Vote for the candidate you want to win for each state.

Can I vote for this now that il parle francais?

je suis jaloux de sa langue!
J'adore le francais. :)
Escusez-moi moinseur mais ma francaise est un peu meurde.

Est-ce que tu'as un bidou poir moi? Une spiffe?

Never attempt other languages when high. Own language too difficult.
*brain implodes from French grammatical/spelling errors*
Then it has 47 now.
Awesome. :D

Vote for the candidate you want to win for each state.

So I cant vote for myself, but can I vote for one party all across the states?

You win an Awesome Award for the reference. xD

So I cant vote for myself, but can I vote for one party all across the states?

One candidate all across the states if you want.

*brain implodes from French grammatical/spelling errors*


Where is Mr. Dyson now? If only he could see me. He'd die.

J'adore le francais. :)

Je le sais, j'ai lu tes histoires en francais.
(forgot french for poem, so stories will have to do! :p )

And I cast my vote for the Marijuana Party!
*high fives*

Where is Mr. Dyson now? If only he could see me. He'd die.
Good thing he's not here then.
Je le sais, j'ai lu tes histoires en francais.
(forgot french for poem, so stories will have to do! :p )

And I cast my vote for the Marijuana Party!
*high fives*
Poeme ou poesie, though I believe poeme is closer, whereas poesie means poetry in general.

YES! VOTES! PH34R T3H Marijuana!
http://www.hyyat.com/data/media/465/_cannabis-canabis-marijuana.jpg

Poeme ou poesie, though I believe poeme is closer, whereas poesie means poetry in general.


Oui, je sais poesie. Merci madame.

Will you be reciprocating the vote? Since you cant vote for yourself. . .;)

Fellow Floridians,The following is my stance.
My Top Priorities will be fighting the Insurance Companies. To better our Education System, and to see that every Floridian has Health care.

Insurance Companies:
I promise to take on the greed of the Insurance companies head on. For to long has the insurance company's taken from the hard working Floridians. I promise that the actions I take will roll some heads and to get these insurance premiums under controlled and back to being affordable.

Developers:
We, here in Florida, must put a cap on the Developers. They have no right to take over our coast lines. That's like stealing the beauty of our coasts from the average citizen and giving it to the rich. I say no more. We must put a limit on these billionaire developers and prevent them from taking the Land from the People.

Taxes:
I will see that the tax cuts remain for the Middle and Lower Classes. As for the wealthy, they should be more than obliged to pay a bit higher tax than the Middle and Lower classes. For to long has Corporations lived off the back bone and sweat of the middle and low classes. The time has come for change.

Education:
I will stop the attempt to privatize schools. We need to have more faith in the Public schools. I will Increase the funding for Education. Pay Teachers better, pay for better computers, keep the text books up to date. Our schools are too crowded, I promise to reduce the class room size by two thirds. That will enable the teachers to give more individual student the attention they deserve. I will find a system to weed out the bad teachers from the good.

Health Care:
I will see to it that their is an affordable plan for Health Care for ALL Floridians. I will be in direct talks with all Health care companies and businesses and we will come up with a plan that will see that ALL Floridians have Health Care.

If elected, I will be your loyal servant. I will work for you, the Great People of this Great State. It's time us Floridians take our state back from the greed of these corporations and developers. It's time we put these insurance companies into check. It's time that we completely overhaul our Education System and realize that our children are our future.

A Vote for me is a giving Florida back to the People.

I've hi-lited my selections in blue! I hope I got everyone!

OFFICAL CANDIDATE LIST!
Canada
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)
Colorado:
Kyronea (Humen Rights Party)
Connecticut
Ravea (Awesome Party)
Neu Leonstein (I)
Florida:
Chandelier (I)
Kansas:
MeansToAnEnd (Republican)
Illinois:
Ardee Street (Green)
Louisiana:
Hallucinogenic Tonic (Libertarian)
Michigan:
Dinaverg (I)
Minnesota:
Seangoli (Democrat)
Montana:
SOCIALIST TRIUMVERATE
Nebraska:
The Psyker (I)
New Jersey:
Sel Appa (Socialist)
SOCIALIST TRIUMVERATE
New York
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII (Drunk and Beligerent Party)
North Carolina:
TJHairball (Green)
Wilgrove (Libertarian)
Nevada:
Ifreann (Drunken Nudity Party)
Ohio:
[NS]Pushistymistan (I)
Oklahoma:
Smunkee (I)
Pennsylvania:
IL Ruffino (Left-Handed Righty Neo-Con Association)
Rhode Island:
CthulhuFhtagn (I)
Washington:
Kinda Sensible people (Democrat)

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2969/aaaaaaca0.png

OFFICAL CANDIDATE LIST!
Canada
Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)
Colorado:
Kyronea (Humen Rights Party)
Connecticut
Neu Leonstein (I)
Florida:
Chandelier (I)
Kansas:
MeansToAnEnd (Republican)
Illinois:
Ardee Street (Green)
Louisiana:
Hallucinogenic Tonic (Libertarian)
Michigan:
Dinaverg (I)
Minnesota:
Seangoli (Democrat)
Montana:
SOCIALIST TRIUMVERATE
Nebraska:
The Psyker (I)
New Jersey
Sel Appa (Socialist)
SOCIALIST TRIUMVERATE
New York
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII (Drunk and Beligerent Party)
Nevada:
Ifreann (Drunken Nudity Party)
Ohio:
[NS]Pushistymistan (I)
Oklahoma:
Smunkee (I)
Pennsylvania:
IL Ruffino (Left-Handed Righty Neo-Con Association)
Rhode Island:
CthulhuFhtagn (I)
Washington:
Kinda Sensible people (Democrat)

Here is my vote.

As my intended policies and decisions on each and every issue are far too lengthly to even consider posting in great detail all at once, I am happy to take any and all questions regarding my platform. This way I don't overload you with tons of information all at once.

I must also query: will we be doing a run-off of sorts? Say the top four or five people in the initial vote? Or am I not understanding the current procedure? Also, how will a VP be selected? Shall we--that is, those of us winning-- simply accept those who conceed during the voting as our VP, or should we choose another method? (Because I have several people I'd be interested in having as a VP and being a VP for, including TJHairball and Kinda Sensible People.)

Run-off between the top four. Choose your VP anytime anyway you wish.

My votes are highlighted on page 19
Also, on the map, Dinaverg seems to be in Wisconson, not Michagin?

Run-off between the top four. Choose your VP anytime anyway you wish.

If we win, I'll be veep.

I vote TJHairball across the board. (And, as said earlier, I am more than willing to be his veep should I not suceed, and invite him to be my veep if he does not suceed.)

I will vote HN Fiddlebottoms VIII across the board except
IL Ruffino in Rhode Island,
TJ Hairball in the Dakotas, Nebraska and Connecticut,
Smunkeeville in Arkansas
and Ladamesansmerci in Washington State.

Also, on the map, Dinaverg seems to be in Wisconson, not Michagin?

Hey, TJ Hairball isn't running here, I am.:mad: Don't you like me?:(

Hey, TJ Hairball isn't running here, I am.:mad: Don't you like me?:(

I think he missed you on the map...

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2969/aaaaaaca0.png

I will vote for you in Alabama. :fluffle:

I will move a TJ Hairball vote to Mass.

NOTE: MY VOTES HIGHLIGHTED ON PAGE 19

I think he missed you on the map...

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2969/aaaaaaca0.png

I will vote for you in Alabama. :fluffle:

I will move a TJ Hairball vote to Mass.

I think what it is is that the states that aren't colored in are not contested, and that it is just the ones that are that need to be voted on. I think.

Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)-She will take you babies and boil them for soap. Do you want this? I am against baby-soaping for any reason.

Kyronea (Humen Rights Party)-He is willing to go to war with Monaco. A war in Monaco would cause tremendous stress on the American People, and would lead us to endless conflict in the region. Diplomacy before bloodshed!

Ravea (Awesome Party)-He claims to be "awesome", but in reality he was part of the chess club in High School. How can you trust a wishy-washy flipflopper to run our great Nation?

Neu Leonstein (I)-A Communist Plinko sympathizer, he wishes only to destroy us so that we may become the United Soviet States of Amerika.

Chandelier (I)-The skeletons in her closets would make grown men weep, and cries of the babes would scare thier mothers to death. I, as a good and decent man, would never bring forth the evils she has committed.

MeansToAnEnd (Republican)-He's MTAE. Need I say more?

Ardee Street (Green)-He wants to turn our food supply into endless fields of Marijuana. What will you eat when you are high, I say? When all of our food is gone, how will you repress the munchies, I say? I support a surplus of Munchies.

Hallucinogenic Tonic (Libertarian)-He wishes to enslave the human race as his own personal subservants. Nay, I say, nay! We are a land of the free!

Dinaverg (I)-He is an illegal alien! From where, you ask? Not Mexico, I assure. Not Canada. Not even france. No, he is far worse-He is an illegal from Zargon-6. I support documentation from all illegal aliens, this planet or the next.

The Psyker (I)-He once forced a fat child to do the truffle shuffle 17 times in a row, until the poor kid had a heart attack. This sadism must stop.

Sel Appa (Socialist)-He wishes to nuke the whales. I ask you, what have the whales done to us?

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII (Drunk and Beligerent Party)-He has killed 6,700,999 people in the last month alone while driving drunk. That is 2% of the national population in one month! At this rate, he will kill us all in less than 10 years.

TJHairball (Green)-He is a hairball. He will illegalize Draino, thus clogging our sinks, and giving the hairballs of the world a chance to rise!

Wilgrove (Libertarian)-Two words: Dead Monkeys. Use your imagination.

Ifreann (Drunken Nudity Party)-1.Steal Underpants. 2.????? 3. Profit! What are the question marks, I ask, what are the question marks?

[NS]Pushistymistan (I)-Is he independant? I think not. Last year he was seen talking to a Republican, a Democrat, a Green, a Reform, a Communist, and a Neo Fascist, all in one day. From this, it is only presumed he is a Repocraticreenormcommufascsit. Hardly a great leader for this country.

Smunkee (I)-Just say the name "Smunkee". It puts a vile taste in your mouth. Do we want a vile sounding person to run our nation?

IL Ruffino (Left-Handed Righty Neo-Con Association)-Is he human, or is he: http://www.celluloid-dreams.de/content/images/asiakritiken-filmbilder/godzilla-final-wars/godzilla-final-wars-1.jpg



CthulhuFhtagn (I)- He beats donkeys with a tennis racket for pleasure. I have no idea what this would be called, but we do not need this as an image for our country.

Kinda Sensible people (Democrat)-He is actually a vampire whom wishes to suck your blood, bleed you dry, and eat your food, while watching the cable you payed for. I support wooden stakes for all American citizens to protect the people from the Vampire menace.

I am a man of the people. I am American. I will support you in the government.

This message was paid for by the Seangoli for President Campaign. All allegations made in this statement are not necessarily true, nor even somewhat true, or actually true, but I assure you, they are possible to be true.

The people know my platform, the people know what I stand for and will deliver to America, that is all they need to know, and I refuse to do any mud slinging.

Kyronea (Humen Rights Party)-He is willing to go to war with Monaco. A war in Monaco would cause tremendous stress on the American People, and would lead us to endless conflict in the region. Diplomacy before bloodshed!


Now that's just ridiculous and you damned well know it. I stress a policy of realistic pacifism, in that all diplomatic options must be carried out before violence is considered. And if warfare MUST occur, it will occur well-planned, well-funded, well-supplied, and well-done. I will not allow a single American soldier to die that does not have to die. No war on my watch unless it is truly necessary and/or we have war declared upon us. (And in my view, the only kind of necessary war would be one against, say, North Korea gone completely ballistic. In other words, I wouldn't go to war because another country has WMDs. Besides, other countries need that kind of detente against the U.S. Helps keep things more peaceful.)

Seangoli, do you have anything to say other than trash talk? Is your position so weak, your ability to debate so flawed, your actual stance so vague that you must resort to insults? Please, do not embarrass yourself so.

Dinaverg (I)-He is an illegal alien! From where, you ask? Not Mexico, I assure. Not Canada. Not even france. No, he is far worse-He is an illegal from Zargon-6. I support documentation from all illegal aliens, this planet or the next.

The Psyker (I)-He once forced a fat child to do the truffle shuffle 17 times in a row, until the poor kid had a heart attack. This sadism must stop.



Hey you mixed me and Dinaverg up, he's the one harrasing fat kids and I'm the illegal alien from Zargon-6...oh,shitWait I mean he's an evil illegal alien from Zargon-69 who makes fat kids do the truffle shuffel, because those Zargonians are perverts here to steal are fat kids. Thats why they caused the obesity epidemic more fat kids for them to steal for their twisted sex games.
I'm a god-fearing/agnostic conservative/leftest from America's heartland/fly over states, the son of a wise-craking Manhattanite and a Nebraska farmers daughter. That last bits even true :)

Alright, I think I understand this system:

California, Washington, Massachusettes, Rhode Island, Indiana, Michigan-Smunkee
Dakotas, Nebraska, Arkansas, Texas-Fiddlebottoms
Carolinas, Virginias, Canada, Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky/Tennessee-Chandelier

Seangoli, do you have anything to say other than trash talk? Is your position so weak, your ability to debate so flawed, your actual stance so vague that you must resort to insults? Please, do not embarrass yourself so.

What of you? You sit here and trash my accusations, yet you offer no support against what I have said! You sir are the embarassment. My stances are clear, it is you who's stance are vague.

Hey you mixed me and Dinaverg up, he's the one harrasing fat kids and I'm the illegal alien from Zargon-6...oh,shitWait I mean he's an evil illegal alien from Zargon-6 who makes fat kids do the truffle shuffel, because those Zargonians are perverts here to steal are fat kids. Thats why they caused the obesity epidemic more fat kids for them to steal for their twisted sex games.


I knew it! Not only did you admit to being Zargonian, you admit to using children for bizarre sex games. The truth is out.

What of you? You sit here and trash my accusations, yet you offer no support against what I have said! You sir are the embarassment. My stances are clear, it is you who's stance are vague.

Offer no support? You didn't read what I wrote. I spoke of my policy of reaslitic pacifism already. So, under no circumstances I can currently forsee would I go to war with Monaco, or any other nation.

My apologies if I was not clear. I also apologize for the harshness with which I debased your accusations. I've told myself repeatedly to never drop to mud-slinging. I shall now have to keep myself above it.

[NS]Pushistymistan (I)-Is he independant? I think not. Last year he was seen talking to a Republican, a Democrat, a Green, a Reform, a Communist, and a Neo Fascist, all in one day. From this, it is only presumed he is a Repocraticreenormcommufascsit. Hardly a great leader for this country.

I did indeed converse with a Republican, Democrat, Green, Communist, and a Neo Fascist, and I may have conversed with a Reformer, but I also conversed with a Socialist, Democratic Socialist, Libertarian, Paleocon, Pirate, and likely others that I have forgotten—you mustn't exclude those!

I knew it! Not only did you admit to being Zargonian, you admit to using children for bizarre sex games. The truth is out.

No, thats Zargon-69, wait I mean :hemf: I am most certainly not a Zargonian. And even if I was I was most certainly born here, with all the appropriate paper work filled out with MIB.

And I resent your tampering with my post;)

Hallucinogenic Tonic (Libertarian) - He wishes to enslave the human race as his own personal subservants. Nay, I say, nay! We are a land of the free!

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I wish for all the halfway decent looking trailer trash girls, beautiful middle/upper class women, & goth chics to be my subservants, not the entire human race!!! Jeesh, give me a little credit! :cool:

I think what it is is that the states that aren't colored in are not contested, and that it is just the ones that are that need to be voted on. I think.

I don't think so, I think he forgot you, sorry... Most of the states that are colored in seem to have a person that already represents them. I think?

Offer no support? You didn't read what I wrote. I spoke of my policy of reaslitic pacifism already. So, under no circumstances I can currently forsee would I go to war with Monaco, or any other nation.

Sure I did. And your flip-flopping on the issue of the Monaco-American War is clearly evident. First you are for it, now you are against? What say you!


My apologies if I was not clear. I also apologize for the harshness with which I debased your accusations. I've told myself repeatedly to never drop to mud-slinging. I shall now have to keep myself above it.

Come on, you know you want to get into the political spirit! Let's get it on. For fun, let's have a debate. Choose the subject!

Sure I did. And your flip-flopping on the issue of the Monaco-American War is clearly evident. First you are for it, now you are against? What say you!



Come on, you know you want to get into the political spirit! Let's get it on. For fun, let's have a debate. Choose the subject!

Please provide proof that I supported a war against Monaca.

And I will not get into the kind of mud-slinging debate you would have me participate in. Politics is far too dirty nowadays; one of the things I'd like to accomplish is cleaning up politics somewhat through my potential influance as President.

Ladamesansmerci (Marijuana Party)-She will take you babies and boil them for soap. Do you want this? I am against baby-soaping for any reason.

You, my dear sir, have way to much time on your hands. How dare you slander your own fiancee?! :eek:

Oh, btw. OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT!

The Beautiful Darkness has agreed to become my Vice President if I were to be elected. We shall take over the country with hugs, kisses, love, peace, and pot!

Recount Recount Recount........:headbang:

I strongly object......If my memory serves me correctly which I'm not so sure it does.......You must be 18 to vote and my memory says my opponent is only 17......now how is that possible. :confused:

I'm nominating Wilgrove to be my VP!

Ravea (Awesome Party)-He claims to be "awesome", but in reality he was part of the chess club in High School. How can you trust a wishy-washy flipflopper to run our great Nation?

Flip-Flopper? I despise flip-flops! The only real choice of footwear for a member of the awsome party is a pair of bright silver platform shoes with rocket boosters for flight.

And the accusation about the chess club? The games all had to be played with a blindfold on against a drunken wookie.

And, as I'm sure you all know, wookies hate losing to strangers.

Recount Recount Recount........:headbang:

I strongly object......If my memory serves me correctly which I'm not so sure it does.......You must be 18 to vote and my memory says my opponent is only 17......now how is that possible. :confused:

You technically need to be like 40 (ish, don't know exact number), to run, but I think that disqualifies almost everyone.

You, my dear sir, have way to much time on your hands. How dare you slander your own fiancee?! :eek:

Oh, btw. OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT!

The Beautiful Darkness has agreed to become my Vice President if I were to be elected. We shall take over the country with hugs, kisses, love, peace, and pot!

*Considers*

Can I get a cabinet position if I withdraw my previous statement about you? And also, I am one of 31. However, once combat ensues, I shall be the only one. I am immortal!

You technically need to be like 40 (ish, don't know exact number), to run, but I think that disqualifies almost everyone.

Good point......it's actually 35.

Okay, then I suppose I Lost.

I'll Concede peacefully.

Flip-Flopper? I despise flip-flops! The only real choice of footwear for a member of the awsome party is a pair of bright silver platform shoes with rocket boosters for flight.

And the accusation about the chess club? The games all had to be played with a blindfold on against a drunken wookie.

And, as I'm sure you all know, wookies hate losing to strangers.

Hmm, personally I would have gone with claiming that you played with real people who had to fight to the death, oh and that you replaced black and white with Ninja v. Pirate.

If I am made president I will reach out my hand in bipartisanship to Kyronea of the Human Rights Party, and build a consensus government.

Plus I'll veto all pork spending until it really is either spent on pig meat, or is removed from the budget.

I am a man of the people. I am American. I will support you in the government.

You are a man of the Islamo-fascists. You are not American. You will support Hamas and Hezbollah in the government. You are right for terrorists, but wrong for America. I, on the other hand, will stand strong on national security and moral values.

Please provide proof that I supported a war against Monaca.

"Now that's just ridiculous and you damned well know it. I stress a policy of... violence is considered. And... warfare MUST occur, it will occur well-planned, well-funded, well-supplied, and well-done. I will... allow a single American soldier to die... war on my watch... it is truly necessary and... we have war ... "

It is all there, in subliminal context, of course. You cannot deceive me, or the American people with such tactics.


And I will not get into the kind of mud-slinging debate you would have me participate in. Politics is far too dirty nowadays; one of the things I'd like to accomplish is cleaning up politics somewhat through my potential influance as President.

Oh, fine. Hows about if we keep it clean?

*Considers*

Can I get a cabinet position if I withdraw my previous statement about you? And also, I am one of 31. However, once combat ensues, I shall be the only one. I am immortal!

I thought you withdrew from combat?

I must consult my VP first, but I'm sure you'll be able to get the cabinet position. Now withdraw your previous remark.

Flip-Flopper? I despise flip-flops! The only real choice of footwear for a member of the awsome party is a pair of bright silver platform shoes with rocket boosters for flight.

And the accusation about the chess club? The games all had to be played with a blindfold on against a drunken wookie.

And, as I'm sure you all know, wookies hate losing to strangers.

You do know that knowing what a wookie is, and saying you have played chess, constitutes you as a geek, and thus not awesome.

Seangoli for President!

I thought you withdrew from combat?

I must consult my VP first, but I'm sure you'll be able to get the cabinet position. Now withdraw your previous remark.

I hereby withdraw my previous remark.

And I did not withdraw from combat, I was killed. HUGE difference.

I thought you withdrew from combat?

I must consult my VP first, but I'm sure you'll be able to get the cabinet position. Now withdraw your previous remark.

*quiet enters extremely smokey room*

Was my vote for nothing? Or will you vote for us too?

(I'd consider a cabinet position. . .secretary of poetry! :D )

*quiet enters extremely smokey room*

Was my vote for nothing? Or will you vote for us too?

(I'd consider a cabinet position. . .secretary of poetry! :D )

I am still considering my votes. Patience, my dear.

*Considers*

Can I get a cabinet position if I withdraw my previous statement about you? And also, I am one of 31. However, once combat ensues, I shall be the only one. I am immortal!

Good point......it's actually 35.

Okay, then I suppose I Lost.

I'll Concede peacefully.

I thought the whole point was that this was mock, persee, and thus the typical rules, such as the age requirement, do not matter.

Seangoli: I still await your proof. Please prove your statement or withdraw it.

I thought the whole point was that this was mock, persee, and thus the typical rules, such as the age requirement, do not matter.

Seangoli: I still await your proof. Please prove your statement or withdraw it.

That's the beauty of the Disclaimer. Does not hold me responsible for what I say. Read the last part of the post.

You do know that knowing what a wookie is, and saying you have played chess, constitutes you as a geek, and thus not awesome.

Seangoli for President!

Oh yeah?

That's what she said!

Ravea for President!