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By the way, MTAE was recently spotted in the vicinity of someone who looked sort of like a communist. And that person was holding a baguette. I can't prove a thing, but anyway,

Bring in the cavalry.
Yes, indeed. MTAE, are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Baguette Users of America Party?

By the way, MTAE was recently spotted in the vicinity of someone who looked sort of like a communist. And that person was holding a baguette. I can't prove a thing, but anyway,

Bring in the cavalry.

French commie pinko liberal baby-eating bastard scum!

Yes, indeed. MTAE, are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Baguette Users of America Party?
Of course he is! He spoke to someone who was, therefore, by association, he is!

French commie pinko liberal baby-eating bastard scum!


Burn Bolshy Burn!!!

Burn Bolshy Burn!!!
Here, I have paper of the Bourgeois, use it to make kindling.

Of course he is! He spoke to someone who was, therefore, by association, he is!
Well, if that evidence was good enough for Senator McCarthy, it's good enough for me. We shall back list him at once for being a member of said CBUAP.

Got to ask the questions right...

MTAE, have you finally ceased to spread Bolshevik propaganda or haven't you?

He says yes...He says no... well, you get the idea.

Here, I have paper of the Bourgeois, use it to make kindling.

Damnit, I couldn't find a picture of that cop in Silent Hill being burned on the stake.

Here, I have paper of the Bourgeois, use it to make kindling.
Hurrah for the flammability of the Daily Mail!

Mmmm ...tabloids. Unintentionally hilarious at times ...cause for despair the rest of the time.

Well, if that evidence was good enough for Senator McCarthy, it's good enough for me. We shall back list him at once for being a member of said CBUAP.
Yes, yes let's do that. Associating with the CBUAP, or at least attempting to is enough to be blacklisted.

Damnit, I couldn't find a picture of that cop in Silent Hill being burned on the stake.

How about this:

http://www.hedonia.net/art/images/wicker_man/wickerman_burns.jpg

Mmmm ...tabloids. Unintentionally hilarious at times ...cause for despair the rest of the time.
Actually, the Mail is a broadsheet. It's super crap, still.

Good writing. Terribly fucked up sentiment, but still good writing.

Actually, the Mail is a broadsheet. It's super crap, still.

Broadsheet? My scanners detect British lingo I'm not familiar with.

Broadsheet? My scanners detect British lingo I'm not familiar with.
A broadsheet is a large paper, like The Guardian etc., whereas some shitty rag like the Express, the Sun etc. which is smaller in size is a tabloid...

Well, if that evidence was good enough for Senator McCarthy, it's good enough for me. We shall back list him at once for being a member of said CBUAP.

I think it's safe to say that this topic has taken a turn for the worse. :eek:

I think it's safe to say that this topic has taken a turn for the worse. :eek:
Nope. 'Fraid it's true.

I think it's safe to say that this topic has taken a turn for the worse. :eek:

Actually this was the only thread of yours I think I actually enjoyed. Thanks. =)

I think it's safe to say that this topic has taken a turn for the worse.
What's good for the goose is worst for the worcestershire.

I think it's safe to say that this topic has taken a turn for the worse. :eek:
Actually I find it to be highly amusing.

So I've got a Soviet flag, but there will be issues with getting this picture taken...probably going to have to wait until next week when school lets up a little bit.

...I hope to have the pic here for everyone's enjoyment sometime next week. :)

I think it's safe to say that this topic has taken a turn for the worse. :eek:
I think this is the closest he'll come to admitting we're right.

*sees how off-topic it's gone*

:eek:

*breaks into song*

Uptown girl! She's been living in her uptown world!

*sees how off-topic it's gone*

:eek:

*breaks into song*

Uptown girl! She's been living in her uptown world!
COMMUNIST! How dare you sing such things! ;)

COMMUNIST! How dare you sing such things! ;)

They must burnses!!!!!!!

They must burnses!!!!!!!
LYNCH MOB POWER!!

I support the off topic-ness of this thread.
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I support the off topic-ness of this thread.
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That's funny! You've earned yourself a fluffle! :fluffle: (and I almost NEVER fluffle)

That's funny! You've earned yourself a fluffle! :fluffle: (and I almost NEVER fluffle)

Yay!!!!:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Yay!!!!:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Weee~ Fluffle!

... @____@

*stomach growls*

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comrades, some interesting reading (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/swann/herblock/images/hblock5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/swann/herblock/fire.html&h=801&w=640&sz=106&hl=en&start=20&tbnid=-m0fp0FLOJGfEM:&tbnh=143&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djoseph%2Bmccarthy%2B%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Do ff%26sa%3DN) about Commisar Mccarthy

I'm new to this thread, so just ignore me if anyone's made this point already...

I've thought of another popular 20th Century political figure, now much vilified by the liberal media, a visionary who united his country against Stalin's communist threat. Like McCarthy, he was prepared to go to all sorts of extremes to keep his country safe, even when it meant trampling on people's individual liberties. His name, of course, was Adolf Hitler.

Perhaps someone should post a thread saying what a great guy he was, and how unfair it is that people reckon he was a bit dodgy?

And another thing - who are the 'liberal media'? Most media groups are owned by huge faceless corporations. I should know, because I write for one.
In my experience, 'liberal media' is just a phrase right wing muppets use to dismiss anyone who happens to disagree with them.

Senator Joseph McCarthy's name has been dragged through the mud by the liberal media for half a century now. They have been feeding on his corpse like a group of depraved dogs, tearing him apart, ridiculing his ideas, casting him in a very negative light as a congressman run amok with power and vindictive evil, and disgracing his standing. They were not content with slandering him while alive, and are dedicated to posthumously desecrating his image. Well, I, personally, resent what is happening and I want to take the time to honor a great American and a devoted patriot.

Joe was born in a small Wisconsin town, and was a naturally hard worker. He stayed behind to attend to the family farm instead of finishing high school, but nonetheless proceeded to college lated through his assiduous attention to detail and his strong work ethic. Because of his natural genius, he was able to secure a post as the youngest judge in Wisconsin's history in 1939! Did his success get to his head? Did his arrogance stop him from joining the army? Was he so accustomed to a good life that he refused to fight for his country? No! He was a dedicated individual and he volunteered to fight the Japanese and German monsters, even though it was not required of him. He risked everything to fight a growing menace, yet the liberals media never credits him on his military service, which was fine and distinguished.

In 1946, Joe began a campaign for public office, utterly destroying the Follette dynasty. His reputation of honesty and great regard for his country was enough to overpower an incumbent who had served for consecutive terms. In fact, he defeated him in the GOP primary! When it came time for the real election, he handily defeated his Democratic opponent by a margin of 2 to 1. These political gains were a result of his straightforward and dedicated attitude and great diligence, and he deserves our respect for that.

During his tenure as a senator, a number of problems were beplaguing the United States which Joe so dearly loved. The most ominous of these perils was communism, which threatened to destroy Joe's beloved country from within. Should Joe have allowed the downfall of his country without raising a hand? No, he courageously fought back. He denounced communism and tried to weed out all the poisonous elements from the government which threatened its very viability. He launched a crusade against those who wished the US ill. He valiantly campaigned against traitors who would have the hammer and sickle flying over Washington. And he won. He correctly identified many spies and dangerous citizens within the US. His prosecutorial zealousness allowed this country to prosper, outside from terrible communist influence. Despite his heroic deeds, he was mercilessly critiqued by the liberal media because he helped save his country. Why is that? Well, Ann Coulter thinks that "you think you know about McCarthy is a hegemonic lie. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis."

It's time to re-examine who the victim was in the 1950s. It wasn't the outspoken liberals who were being "silenced" by Joe -- it was Joe, who was being silenced by certain treasonous liberals. He was halted in his course of action by communist sympathizers, not brave Democrats who valued freedom. Hopefully, we'll all be able to see that some day. We owe our current well-being, partially, to Senator Joe McCarthy, and I salute him for all he did to make this country thrive.

Now you've done it. You've gone insane, man. He was power-mad and insane, and you are insane too, MTAE.

(Arms hand-held flak cannon and katana)

I'm new to this thread, so just ignore me if anyone's made this point already...

I've thought of another popular 20th Century political figure, now much vilified by the liberal media, a visionary who united his country against Stalin's communist threat. Like McCarthy, he was prepared to go to all sorts of extremes to keep his country safe, even when it meant trampling on people's individual liberties. His name, of course, was Adolf Hitler.

Perhaps someone should post a thread saying what a great guy he was, and how unfair it is that people reckon he was a bit dodgy?

And another thing - who are the 'liberal media'? Most media groups are owned by huge faceless corporations. I should know, because I write for one.
In my experience, 'liberal media' is just a phrase right wing muppets use to dismiss anyone who happens to disagree with them.


Yeah, you're right. The 'liberal media' is bullshit.

His name, of course, was Adolf Hitler.

You should confine yourself to rational arguments instead of posting hyperbole. Hilter, unlike McCarthy, not only butchered tens of millions of people, but he also laid waste to his country. In fact, he wanted to kill all Germans when it transpired that the war was lost. He was a genocidal maniac who destroyed his country; McCarthy was a brilliant visionary who saved his country from the communist menace.

And another thing - who are the 'liberal media'?

You know, the media in which there are 4 liberals for every conservative. I guess the fact that 55% of national journalists think Bush should have been treated for critically is just a coincidence, despite the fact that there has been empirical evidence of Bush-bashing. I hope that you'll find the following article enlightening.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/143lkblo.asp

You should confine yourself to rational arguments instead of posting hyperbole. Hilter, unlike McCarthy, not only butchered tens of millions of people, but he also laid waste to his country. In fact, he wanted to kill all Germans when it transpired that the war was lost. He was a genocidal maniac who destroyed his country; McCarthy was a brilliant visionary who saved his country from the communist menace.
You fail to note that time is line of events, not a single compiled ones. There was a lead up to the Holocaust through persecution, absurd accusations bought by people in a desperate situation (not to mention the fact that every single country in the world was subject to regular bouts of anti-semitism until the Holocaust) and fear. Not to mention Hitler revitalized a country ravished by war and restrictions of the Versailles Treaty as well as the global depression.
McCarthy would have gotten there but he was stopped when people with power saw he was out of control.


You know, the media in which there are 4 liberals for every conservative.
You mean the one that only exists in crackpot conservatives' heads?


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/143lkblo.asp

Reputable news organization please.

You should confine yourself to rational arguments instead of posting hyperbole. Hilter, unlike McCarthy, not only butchered tens of millions of people, but he also laid waste to his country. In fact, he wanted to kill all Germans when it transpired that the war was lost. He was a genocidal maniac who destroyed his country; McCarthy was a brilliant visionary who saved his country from the communist menace.



You know, the media in which there are 4 liberals for every conservative. I guess the fact that 55% of national journalists think Bush should have been treated for critically is just a coincidence, despite the fact that there has been empirical evidence of Bush-bashing. I hope that you'll find the following article enlightening.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/143lkblo.asp

If there is a liberal media, they suck. Bush deserved much more criticism than he received.

[QUOTE=MeansToAnEnd;11951256]You should confine yourself to rational arguments instead of posting hyperbole. Hilter, unlike McCarthy, not only butchered tens of millions of people, but he also laid waste to his country. In fact, he wanted to kill all Germans when it transpired that the war was lost. He was a genocidal maniac who destroyed his country; McCarthy was a brilliant visionary who saved his country from the communist menace.

It wasn't hyperbole - the point I was making is that the arguments you use to defend McCarthy lead us onto a very slippery slope. I suspect Hitler, like the vast majority of his followers, started out wanting what was best for Germany. And I'm sure McCarthy started out wanting what was best for the US.
Sometimes there is a fine line between brilliant visionary and genocidal maniac.

As for the 'liberal media' thing, perhaps you thought I was kidding when I said I'm a journalist? I don't need surveys and statistics to tell me what it's like.
Also, I'm a court reporter, and quite used to seeing through nonsense arguments like the one you directed me to look at.
The survey you cite shows that most journalists wish they were criticising Bush more than they are - proof that journalists have little editorial control over what is published. That's because news content is driven by the aforementioned faceless corporations.
There might be a few liberals (like me, I guess) at the bottom of the food chain, but they're pretty scarce by the time you get to editor level.

I'm from Wisconsin and I can't think of one person who has tarnished my states reputation more than that fuckhead. He is one of the biggest losers in all of human history. He's right up there with the Salem Witch trial fucks, he should've been dropped in the middle Mother Russia's Siberia after what he did, and let the Soviets have their way with him.

I think you should write a novel. The way you keep thinking up these topics shows you have a fantastic imagination.

for the love of all, don't think about this, for the betterment of aspiring authors everywhere.

Oh.
I was away from my computer for well over half an hour, and I came back expecting to see MTAE really having a go at me, critising me and my politics and all sorts of entertaining stuff like that. But no, nothing.

Come on, you can do it.
Here, a couple of suggestions:
- Have another go at using the 'empirical evidence' of anti-Bush bias. I'll laugh. I expect you think it's totally irrational that, when something goes wrong, the people in power should be held responsible. Much more productive to blame the opposition.
- Tell me I'm a hypocrite, complaining about faceless corporations whilst working for one. Actually, that's a pretty fair criticism.

I'm off to the girlfriend's place for a while, so you should have time to come up with something.
Incidentally, you said earlier that anyone who'd lived under a communist regime would be anti-communist. Well my girlfriend grew up in communist Poland, and she seems to disagree with you. And my parents lived in Skopje when Yugoslavia was still run by a guy called Tito. Yet I don't recall them bringing me up to believe there were reds under the beds.

Incidentally, you said earlier that anyone who'd lived under a communist regime would be anti-communist. Well my girlfriend grew up in communist Poland, and she seems to disagree with you. And my parents lived in Skopje when Yugoslavia was still run by a guy called Tito. Yet I don't recall them bringing me up to believe there were reds under the beds.
Strange, I remember a Croatian friend of mien praising Tito as well, calling him a good man, sayig he did more for the state than those who succeeded him.

Perhaps it was brainwashing, or perhaps it wasn't. I don't remember hearing anything bad about Tito, and the Eastern Europeans I knew who left, left because of the fall of Soviet Russia and other factors after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the vanishing of the 'Iron Curtain'.

Back again.
What, still no devastating riposte from MTAE?
I feel quite let down.

Yep, the dictator Tito was pretty benevolent, by what I've been told. Apparently though, he did have this annoying habit of having to have his address to the nation broadcast at exactly the same time (6 or 7pm, I think it was) each day. Which was a right nuisance if the film you were watching was overrunning. Still, hardly a reign of terror, is it? It's not like he was going round accusing people of being traitors to the nation just because they read certain books. I mean, what kind of scumbag would do a thing like that?

Back again.
What, still no devastating riposte from MTAE?
I feel quite let down.

He generally doesn't respond except to weak arguments, flames, or isolated portions of someone's argument. He ignores the rest. It's how he can continue to post without either giving up a single thing, or admitting that the only thing he's really doing is trolling for attention.

Still, hardly a reign of terror, is it? It's not like he was going round accusing people of being traitors to the nation just because they read certain books. I mean, what kind of scumbag would do a thing like that?
Hmm... that's a real noodle scratcher. :p

I did an independent historical study on this for a level coursework. Wow.

Anne Coulter's talking shit. So no surprises really.

McCarthy was right about one thing- the CPUSA was engaging in clandestine espionage operations on behalf of the Soviet Union... but with very little success as Truman effectively kept them out of strategic positions. However, McCarthy certainly did manage to genuinely identify several members of the Communist Party in positions where they were privy to sensative information, the problem was that the lists these people were on were overwhelmingly filled with people who had nothing to do with Communism.
He was also not adverse to taking back handers and certainly was willing to throw the word "Commie" around to get some attention and also to slander his political rivals with. Also the fuy was a fucking pisshead.

McCarthy was a brilliant visionary who saved his country from the communist menace.



how so exactly?
except for saying "well the USA is not communist now, so he succeeded" sort of argument, where is your proof?

I'm from Wisconsin and I can't think of one person who has tarnished my states reputation more than that fuckhead. He is one of the biggest losers in all of human history. He's right up there with the Salem Witch trial fucks, he should've been dropped in the middle Mother Russia's Siberia after what he did, and let the Soviets have their way with him.
explain?
Soviets?
him?

how so exactly?
except for saying "well the USA is not communist now, so he succeeded" sort of argument, where is your proof?

The following may expose the logics of the above quote:

A guy in the forest (in Wisconsin) keeps clapping his hands.
Another guy comes along, wonders and asks:
"tell me, why ya clappin' your hands?"
- "I'm chasin' away those elephants."
- "But there are no elephants here in Wisconsin."
- "There ain't no elephants cuz I keep clappin' my hands."

Describes McCarthy logic as well.

You should confine yourself to rational arguments instead of posting hyperbole. Hilter, unlike McCarthy, not only butchered tens of millions of people, but he also laid waste to his country. In fact, he wanted to kill all Germans when it transpired that the war was lost. He was a genocidal maniac who destroyed his country; McCarthy was a brilliant visionary who saved his country from the communist menace.
I think someone else compared McCarthy to Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy#Censure_and_the_Watkins_Committee), and I posted this earlier:

Vermont Republican Senator Ralph E. Flanders had also condemned McCarthy on the floor of the Senate, comparing McCarthy to Hitler, accused him of spreading "division and confusion" and said "Were the Junior Senator from Wisconsin in the pay of the Communists he could not have done a better job for them.
Even Republicans could ferret out the rat. :p

You know, the media in which there are 4 liberals for every conservative. I guess the fact that 55% of national journalists think Bush should have been treated for critically is just a coincidence, despite the fact that there has been empirical evidence of Bush-bashing. I hope that you'll find the following article enlightening.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/143lkblo.asp
Ahhh, the Weekly Standard or is that the Standard Weakly? :rolleyes:

Weekly Stantard = William Kristol = Fox News = Project for A New American Century (http://www.newamericancentury.org/).

Kristol wouldn't have an bias, now would he? :p

You should confine yourself to rational arguments instead of posting hyperbole. Hilter, unlike McCarthy, not only butchered tens of millions of people, but he also laid waste to his country. In fact, he wanted to kill all Germans when it transpired that the war was lost. He was a genocidal maniac who destroyed his country; McCarthy was a brilliant visionary who saved his country from the communist menace

Yeah, the communists after all were threatning to overtake us after all. There were after all so many people in America who secretly loved the Soviets and all their works. Seriously, the guy was a paranoid lunatic. One of the many idiots who thought that the Soviets somehow controlled everyone who had the tiniest leftist thought. Gave them way to much credit. And McCarthy like so many was willing to destroy Americans rights to find suspected communists, which they had every legal right to be anyway. Bastard mainly went after his enemies anyway, ruined reputations of anyone he wished.

UnAmericans Committee. What a bunch of bullshit.

The following may expose the logics of the above quote:

A guy in the forest (in Wisconsin) keeps clapping his hands.
Another guy comes along, wonders and asks:
"tell me, why ya clappin' your hands?"
- "I'm chasin' away those elephants."
- "But there are no elephants here in Wisconsin."
- "There ain't no elephants cuz I keep clappin' my hands."

Describes McCarthy logic as well.

so..... we owe Mccarthy a debt of gratitude because the communists lost?

oki doki

so..... we owe Mccarthy a debt of gratitude because the communists lost?

oki doki

MTAE's logic, not mine, not yours. :)

The elephant thing is a joke. I was hoping to expose the absurdity in McCarthy's thinking that MTAE so highly appreciates.

Nothing wrong with socialism.

MTAE's logic, not mine, not yours. :)

The elephant thing is a joke. I was hoping to expose the absurdity in McCarthy's thinking that MTAE so highly appreciates.

i know

My tribute to him would involve placing a hand grenade with the pin removed in his coffin and then taking a piss on the remains after the explosion .

The following may expose the logics of the above quote:

A guy in the forest (in Wisconsin) keeps clapping his hands.
Another guy comes along, wonders and asks:
"tell me, why ya clappin' your hands?"
- "I'm chasin' away those elephants."
- "But there are no elephants here in Wisconsin."
- "There ain't no elephants cuz I keep clappin' my hands."

Describes McCarthy logic as well.
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

to be fair though there were no tigers around, so maybe it did work. PROVE ME WRONG!!! that rock had maybe been there for millions of years and thats why no tigers ever came to the area.!!!

to be fair though there were no tigers around, so maybe it did work. PROVE ME WRONG!!! that rock had maybe been there for millions of years and thats why no tigers ever came to the area.!!!
Tigers prefer a certain type of climate and hence, perhaps American climate is unsuitable. Or, the tigers could've been hunted to extinction in that area as well.

Further, that rock COULD'VE been transported from one side of the land to the other by travelling nomads.

Tigers prefer a certain type of climate and hence, perhaps American climate is unsuitable. Or, the tigers could've been hunted to extinction in that area as well.

Further, that rock COULD'VE been transported from one side of the land to the other by travelling nomads.

its was by native americans. that's why there are no tigers in the US.
And there are plenty of areas sutiable to several types of tigers.

AND sabre tooths became extinct at a similar point in time as humans arrived in the americas. maybe they brought the rock with them :p