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Senator Joseph McCarthy's name has been dragged through the mud by the liberal media for half a century now. They have been feeding on his corpse like a group of depraved dogs, tearing him apart, ridiculing his ideas, casting him in a very negative light as a congressman run amok with power and vindictive evil, and disgracing his standing. They were not content with slandering him while alive, and are dedicated to posthumously desecrating his image. Well, I, personally, resent what is happening and I want to take the time to honor a great American and a devoted patriot.

Joe was born in a small Wisconsin town, and was a naturally hard worker. He stayed behind to attend to the family farm instead of finishing high school, but nonetheless proceeded to college lated through his assiduous attention to detail and his strong work ethic. Because of his natural genius, he was able to secure a post as the youngest judge in Wisconsin's history in 1939! Did his success get to his head? Did his arrogance stop him from joining the army? Was he so accustomed to a good life that he refused to fight for his country? No! He was a dedicated individual and he volunteered to fight the Japanese and German monsters, even though it was not required of him. He risked everything to fight a growing menace, yet the liberals media never credits him on his military service, which was fine and distinguished.

In 1946, Joe began a campaign for public office, utterly destroying the Follette dynasty. His reputation of honesty and great regard for his country was enough to overpower an incumbent who had served for consecutive terms. In fact, he defeated him in the GOP primary! When it came time for the real election, he handily defeated his Democratic opponent by a margin of 2 to 1. These political gains were a result of his straightforward and dedicated attitude and great diligence, and he deserves our respect for that.

During his tenure as a senator, a number of problems were beplaguing the United States which Joe so dearly loved. The most ominous of these perils was communism, which threatened to destroy Joe's beloved country from within. Should Joe have allowed the downfall of his country without raising a hand? No, he courageously fought back. He denounced communism and tried to weed out all the poisonous elements from the government which threatened its very viability. He launched a crusade against those who wished the US ill. He valiantly campaigned against traitors who would have the hammer and sickle flying over Washington. And he won. He correctly identified many spies and dangerous citizens within the US. His prosecutorial zealousness allowed this country to prosper, outside from terrible communist influence. Despite his heroic deeds, he was mercilessly critiqued by the liberal media because he helped save his country. Why is that? Well, Ann Coulter thinks that "you think you know about McCarthy is a hegemonic lie. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis."

It's time to re-examine who the victim was in the 1950s. It wasn't the outspoken liberals who were being "silenced" by Joe -- it was Joe, who was being silenced by certain treasonous liberals. He was halted in his course of action by communist sympathizers, not brave Democrats who valued freedom. Hopefully, we'll all be able to see that some day. We owe our current well-being, partially, to Senator Joe McCarthy, and I salute him for all he did to make this country thrive.

Oh, for the love of...

I think you should write a novel. The way you keep thinking up these topics shows you have a fantastic imagination.

Didn't he just get off a Hotrodia imposed 3 day ban for trolling?

I love extreme paranoia as much as the next person, but Mr. McCarthy took it a bit too far.

And do you ever get tired of these sorts of things?

My god, it's Ann Coulter. Yes, it.

Trollish nonsense. Don't even bother responding to it, MTAE will just ignore the meatiest replies and attack the weak ones, and page after page will go by with him churning out one-line responses designed more or less to obscure the original point and egg others on.

Nah, he was a total wanker. To think, he has the same first name as me :(

Nah, he was a total wanker. To think, he has the same first name as me :(

How strange. I always thought you were a girl.

Didn't he just get off a Hotrodia imposed 3 day ban for trolling?

Yes, I did. Is there anything wrong with creating a thread to salute George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, or Joe McCarthy? No, of course not; it cannot be considered trolling. I have learned my lesson and I am coloring well within the lines.

How strange. I always thought you were a girl.
I'm touched...

I'm touched...

I've no idea why I thought that. :p

Those complete wagonloads of tosh some folks in here come up with...

the USA were that ---> <--- close to becoming bolshevik in McCarthy's days.

But ONE MAN wasn't f###in' havin' it.

Praise the Lord. You'd all be Commies by now.

Joe McCarthy
Call him that to his face and he'd denounce you as a communist :p

I love extreme paranoia as much as the next person

It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you. In this case, Stalin was not a cute, cuddly kitten who only wanted what was in the best interests of the US, in case you hadn't noticed that already.

I've no idea why I thought that. :p
Probably the fact that I sound quite gay at times, and that I can sometimes be a little over-emotional when arguing.

Although women are usually better debaters than men, because they keep their cool better in arguments.

I go into a bit of a rage sometimes.

"A Tribute to Joseph McCarthy" ?

:p

It's like you pick your thread titles from The Onion. Too bad it's only the titles.

why would Communism destroy America?

and

"Everything you think you know about McCarthy is a hegemonic lie. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis."-Ann Coulter

Call him that to his face and he'd denounce you as a communist :p

It would have been more fitting to have called him by his Christian name, but I preferred to keep it short since my post was long enough as it was.

He was no hero. He was an attention-whore riding the fear of paranoia of the Cold War into the spotlight. His methods threatened our freedoms of speech and the press, instilling a deep fear of being labeled "commie" into Americans that knew he only had to say the word, and they could be condemned without a trial. He was the first true terrorist, more effective than our current day models because he could work within the system and rule through fear, yet be called a patriot.

And he's just a victim of liberals because Ann Coulter says so? Get a clue, MTAE.

alright, now Im convinced. I dont see how this guy ain't a troll.

It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you. In this case, Stalin was not a cute, cuddly kitten who only wanted what was in the best interests of the US, in case you hadn't noticed that already.
Ah yes... the intelligentsia... what mighty foes they were to the US at the time.

Nice one, McCarthy, for ruining the lives of many great writers and artists of the time.

Probably the fact that I sound quite gay at times, and that I can sometimes be a little over-emotional when arguing.

Although women are usually better debaters than men, because they keep their cool better in arguments.

I go into a bit of a rage sometimes.

Possibly. But, you're also a 'Cabbage Patch Girl' at the moment, and even though I've got a female tag too and know better, I think it still creates the association in the mind.

It would have been more fitting to have called him by his Christian name, but I preferred to keep it short since my post was long enough as it was.
Not lengthening things is for commies.

Possibly. But, you're also a 'Cabbage Patch Girl' at the moment, and even though I've got a female tag too and know better, I think it still creates the association in the mind.
Ah, right. Well I'm male. And I'd prove it with my camera phone, but I'd get banned ;)

why would Communism destroy America?

It certainly destroyed the Soviet Union and it would erase everything we worked so hard for in past centuries. We didn't declare our independence from Great Britain so we could go back to authoritarian rule like the USSR.

Ann Coulter

Let me guess -- you'll call Ann Coulter a troll, too?

I guess those numerous republicans who denounced him as well as the US Army were just part of the conspiracy as well, eh?

I think we should also make a Tribute the Salem Witch Trials and the Inquisition!

It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you. In this case, Stalin was not a cute, cuddly kitten who only wanted what was in the best interests of the US, in case you hadn't noticed that already.

Yes, and I'm sure Truman and Esienhower certianly had the Kremlin's best interests in mind. It was war-a cold war, mabey, but war nonetheless-and casting your opponents as Villains is always a mistake. For some reason, I don't think president Truman was a communist, nor were any of his cabinent members.

McCarthy twisted an unfair situation entirely to his benifit, simply to scare the living daylights out of people.

Clearly MTAE is a homosexual communist praising the great Joseph McCarthy in an attempt to avoid suspicion!

And it's of course convienent to ignore the fact that his popularity and support tanked after he was shown on national television for a month and a half during live hearings.

It certainly destroyed the Soviet Union and it would erase everything we worked so hard for in past centuries.
Russia was changed from a backwater shithole to the force which utterly destroyed Nazism and helped to bring about the downfall of Japan in under 28 years...

I'd say that's quite a good effort myself...
We didn't declare our independence from Great Britain so we could go back to authoritarian rule like the USSR.
Umm right... that was non-sensical...

Lamb doesn't taste much like lager, and the introduction of shoes to cattle doesn't promote custard-like taste either!
Let me guess -- you'll call Ann Coulter a troll, too?
Yes, and quite an ugly one at that.

alright, now Im convinced. I dont see how this guy ain't a troll.

Is Ann Coulter also a troll? Face it -- her opinions, although correct for the most part, are even more right-wing than mine; I posted one of her quotes to highlight this. In fact, one could go so far as to call her my "role model," but that's a thread I'm saving for her birthday.

Let me guess -- you'll call Ann Coulter a troll, too?

I would if she were posting on this forum. She clearly says and writes what she does for media attention and money, both of which she gets a lot of as a result of her making herself intentionally insulting. As she said,

"Ozzy Osbourne has his bats, and I have that darn "convert them to Christianity" quote."

What she does is by her own word, entertainment and shock value effect.

Kind of like you, but you don't get paid for it. How sad!

Let me guess -- you'll call Ann Coulter a troll, too?

Well, I'd call her a ****, but she is like a real life troll, troll.

Is Ann Coulter also a troll? Face it -- her opinions, although correct for the most part, are even more right-wing than mine; I posted one of her quotes to highlight this. In fact, one could go so far as to call her my "role model," but that's a thread I'm saving for her birthday.
Oh dear, oh deary me...

Did your source include this:

In an incident for which he would be widely criticized, McCarthy lobbied for the commutation of death sentences given to a group of Waffen-SS soldiers convicted of war crimes for carrying out the 1944 Malmedy massacre of American prisoners of war. McCarthy was critical of the convictions because of allegations of torture during the interrogations that led to the German soldiers' confessions, and he charged that the army was engaged in a cover-up of judicial misconduct.

That's from the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_mccarthy)article on Tailgunner Joe. Seems he didn't care for torturing prisoners, even if they were Nazis.

I guess those numerous republicans who denounced him as well as the US Army were just part of the conspiracy as well, eh?

No, they were just afraid of having their image tarnished by their association to McCarthy, who was not exactly popular. Alas, that is the curse of the truly brilliant -- they are rarely understood in their own lifetime, no matter what great strides they make.

Hear hear, he fought the reds so he cannot be all bad.

No, they were just afraid of having their image tarnished by their association to McCarthy, who was not exactly popular. Alas, that is the curse of the truly brilliant -- they are rarely understood in their own lifetime, no matter what great strides they make.
*chuckles*

No, they were just afraid of having their image tarnished by their association to McCarthy, who was not exactly popular. Alas, that is the curse of the truly brilliant -- they are rarely understood in their own lifetime, no matter what great strides they make.

Whoops, he was taken to task by them before the big hearings. He was also very popular until he was televised spouting his diatribes. Try again.

*chuckles*

I know, isn't he funny? He's talking about himself, you know. We just don't understand his "brilliance."

Alas, that is the curse of the truly brilliant -- they are rarely understood in their own lifetime, no matter what great strides they make.

Awww. Here, have a cookie instead. :)

I read this thread and find my loyalties severely tested.

On the one hand, there will always be space in my heart for the delightful ramblings of UN Abassadorship. His rambunctious and hilarious threads were always artfully done, and his followups brilliant in their paranoid rantings.

But then, I see this thread, and MTAE begins to take the lead; a tribute to McCarthy is a brilliant idea for a trolling thread - it practically writes itself. Add in a few responses about 'Liberals' and I find myself admiring a thread that rivals anything UNA could do in his prime.

Thus, I find myself tested. UNA still has my heart, but 'tis a very close thing. Bless you MTAE - a few more threads, and you may well have my loyalty.

Keep up the good work!

Well, I hope you're all satisfied. You wouldn't stick to the 4-page rule, and now you've ruined MTAE by over-feeding. His latest posts have been way too polished and long not to be seen as the obvious fictions that they are. He has lost all truthiness, and without truthiness a troll is nothing but a neutered little kitten named Stalin.

I read this thread and find my loyalties severely tested.

On the one hand, there will always be space in my heart for the delightful ramblings of UN Abassadorship. His rambunctious and hilarious threads were always artfully done, and his followups brilliant in their paranoid rantings.

But then, I see this thread, and MTAE begins to take the lead; a tribute to McCarthy is a brilliant idea for a trolling thread - it practically writes itself. Add in a few responses about 'Liberals' and I find myself admiring a thread that rivals anything UNA could do in his prime.

Thus, I find myself tested. UNA still has my heart, but 'tis a very close thing. Bless you MTAE - a few more threads, and you may well have my loyalty.

Keep up the good work!

UN Ambassadorship was gone before I arrived, so I can't compare, but I agree that MTAE is brilliant. I highly recommend the Rosa Parks / Mark Foley thread.

neutered little kitten named Stalin.

And you're a copy-cat! Get the pun? Hahaha!

blahblahblah UNA references
See, I think the problem here is - MTAE is not joking.

UNA is utter genius. He knows what he's doing, and can get the best of some with his oversimplified 'politics'. Truly a genius.

MTAE has seemingly been tied up and gang-raped (which is not torture, remember that) by some Liberals in his earlier life and this has affected him. That's my guess, anyway.

Awww. Here, have a cookie instead. :)

Although I would much rather have people agree with my ideas, I will gladly accept a cookie. So far, just one person has agreed with my viewpoint in a topic that is hardly as contreversial as many others which I have written. Why? :(

And you're a copy-cat! Get the pun? Hahaha!
Page 4. No more Friskies for you, Stalin. You're getting too fat.

Well, I hope you're all satisfied. You wouldn't stick to the 4-page rule, and now you've ruined MTAE by over-feeding. His latest posts have been way too polished and long not to be seen as the obvious fictions that they are. He has lost all truthiness, and without truthiness a troll is nothing but a neutered little kitten named Stalin.
Ah, but see, that very fact makes it possible to post in his threads now!

I didn't post in any of his others (I think I may have in the very beginning, when I was still young and naive) so as not to feed him, but now it doesn't really matter anymore.

And with the flights of fancy his topics are taking, it's, dare I say it, fun. :)

UN Ambassadorship was gone before I arrived, so I can't compare, but I agree that MTAE is brilliant. I highly recommend the Rosa Parks / Mark Foley thread.
UNA was back a week or two ago. His posts in some thread relating to Israel or terrorism or something were great.

UNA : "We need to kill all of the terrorists"
Someone else : "Won't that create more problems?"
UNA :"No, because we'll have killed them all"

See, I think the problem here is - MTAE is not joking.

UNA is utter genius. He knows what he's doing, and can get the best of some with his oversimplified 'politics'. Truly a genius.

MTAE has seemingly been tied up and gang-raped (which is not torture, remember that) by some Liberals in his earlier life and this has affected him. That's my guess, anyway.

Remember it has to be gentle well lubricated gang rape. Giving him so much as a hangnail is torture, forced butt sex is not.

Although I would much rather have people agree with my ideas, I will gladly accept a cookie. So far, just one person has agreed with my viewpoint in a topic that is hardly as contreversial as many others which I have written. Why? :(
Because it's not controversial. McCarthy was a complete tit. Most people will agree.

Remember it has to be gentle well lubricated gang rape. Giving him so much as a hangnail is torture, forced butt sex is not.
Just remember that waterboarding him at the same time is OK also.

MTAE has seemingly been tied up and gang-raped (inflammatory comment, by the way) by some Liberals in his earlier life and this has affected him. That's my guess, anyway.

Yes, I have had several unpleasant experiences with liberals. For the first few years of my life, I lived in a communist country. I saw, with my own eyes, the downfall of liberalism -- people starved to death, you had to wait for hours to get a loaf of bread, you had no political voice, etc. That's why my family and I came to the US and Kansas in particular -- here, there is a free market and freedom abounds. I dare any liberal on these forums to question McCarthy after having lived in a communist country. I dare you.

Yes, I have had several unpleasant experiences with liberals. For the first few years of my life, I lived in a communist country. I saw, with my own eyes, the downfall of liberalism -- people starved to death, you had to wait for hours to get a loaf of bread, you had no political voice, etc. That's why my family and I came to the US and Kansas in particular -- here, there is a free market and freedom abounds. I dare any liberal on these forums to question McCarthy after having lived in a communist country. I dare you.
Which communist country were you living in?

I'll assume East Germany, but I may be wrong.

Just remember that waterboarding him at the same time is OK also.

This isn't a referendum on torture. The last time I debated that, I got banned because of liberal bias. I'm not going to let you flame-bait me into arguing that again.

Yes, I have had several unpleasant experiences with liberals. For the first few years of my life, I lived in a communist country.

Liar.

Not to mention communism isn't "liberal" since it's basically the antithesis of the concept of liberty.

But Ann Coulter uses "liberal," and so you do... gets more attention.

I'll assume East Germany, but I may be wrong.

I'm not going to answer that, but I will say that I'm not German.

Liar.

Not to mention communism isn't "liberal" since it's basically the antithesis of the concept of liberty.

But Ann Coulter uses "liberal," and so you do... gets more attention.
Actual communism is as liberal as you get, totalitarian socialism, I agree, isn't.

By the way don't forget folks you can add MTAE to your ignore list and you won't see his dribbling diatribes unless someone quotes him verbatim.


Dribbling diatribes, I like the alliteration.

I'm not going to answer that, but I will say that I'm not German.
Hmm... Estonia?

I'm not going to answer that,

Because you're a lying troll.

By the way don't forget folks you can add MTAE to your ignore list and you won't see his dribbling diatribes unless someone quotes him verbatim.


Dribbling diatribes, I like the alliteration.
Pulling down his arguments gives me something to do other than watch pr0n, so it's worth leaving him off the list.

Hmm... Estonia?

Any bets he can't think of more than two communist countries?

Hmm... Estonia?

I'm not going to say "no" to every country until you get to the right one, as that would be answering your question. I prefer anonymity.

Because you're a lying troll.

You're claiming that I want attention, yet you are the one who is constantly flaming and contributing nothing to this thread? Bitch, please.

Any bets he can't think of more than two communist countries?
He'll have some kind of Commie Atlas.

Next up - Laos / Vietnam / the USSR / Cambodia / PR of China / North Korea.

I'm not going to say "no" to every country until you get to the right one, as that would be answering your question. I prefer anonymity.
Latvia?

I'm not going to say "no" to every country until you get to the right one, as that would be answering your question. I prefer anonymity.

All trolls prefer to be anonymous, until their identities are uncovered by doing an IP check alongside other posters.

Your day will come, puppet master. We'll find out who you are one of these days...

All trolls prefer to be anonymous, until their identities are uncovered by doing an IP check alongside other posters.

Your day will come, puppet master. We'll find out who you are one of these days...
He's in Kansas now... it's a bit hard to find where he used to live tbh.

He'll have some kind of Commie Atlas.

Next up - Laos / Vietnam / the USSR / Cambodia / PR of China / North Korea.

His English is too eloquent to be an ESL, so I'm guessing he didn't spend any of his youth in a foreign country, atleast not one that doesn't speak English, and there are no communist countries that I'm aware of where the average peon speaks English.

His English is too eloquent to be an ESL, so I'm guessing he didn't spend any of his youth in a foreign country, atleast not one that doesn't speak English, and there are no communist countries that I'm aware of where the average peon speaks English.
Oh - it might be Cuba, where they learn British English for the tourists!

I win!

He's in Kansas now... it's a bit hard to find where he used to live tbh.

Kansas? Hmm...

This isn't a referendum on torture. The last time I debated that, I got banned because of liberal bias.
No, you got banned for advocating rape.

I'm not going to let you flame-bait me into arguing that again.
See, MTAE, the thing about irony is that it has to be subtle. Overdo it and you look like a fool. Use it sparingly, however, and you look like a genius.

A well-understood genius, by the way -- not the kind of genius who is thought an idiot by everyone on Earth but himself.

You're claiming that I want attention, yet you are the one who is constantly flaming and contributing nothing to this thread? Bitch, please.

Yeah, you do want attention, that's why instead of ignoring me, you flame me in order to keep me going.

His English is too eloquent to be an ESL, so I'm guessing he didn't spend any of his youth in a foreign country, atleast not one that doesn't speak English, and there are no communist countries that I'm aware of where the average peon speaks English.

I'll take the first part of your post as a compliment -- thanks. :) As for the second part, I actually learned British English at school (many of my fellow countrymen knew two or more languages, including English. Dreaming of going to America was very common, and it was frequently taken as a foreign language course -- actually, my parents taught it to me alongisde my native language when I was a child).

I'll take the first part of your post as a compliment -- thanks. :) As for the second part, I actually learned British English at school (many of my fellow countrymen knew two or more languages, including English. Dreaming of going to America was very common, and it was frequently taken as a foreign language course -- actually, my parents taught it to me alongisde my native language when I was a child).
I'll bet it was Cuba and you learned British English and French.

Yeah, you do want attention, that's why instead of ignoring me, you flame me in order to keep me going.

I flame you in the hope that you will one day learn to shut up instead of posting spam on every single thread which I start. It gets mighty annoying.

I flame you in the hope that you will one day learn to shut up instead of posting spam on every single thread which I start. It gets mighty annoying.
Is it Cuba?

See, MTAE, the thing about irony is that it has to be subtle. Overdo it and you look like a fool. Use it sparingly, however, and you look like a genius.

I wasn't attempting to be ironic, but your point is understood nonetheless. Those who live in a glass house should not throw stones, after all. However, I seldom flame unless someone really angers me.

I wasn't attempting to be ironic, but your point is understood nonetheless. Those who live in a glass house should not throw stones, after all. However, I seldom flame unless someone really angers me.
Pleeeeeeease tell me if it's Cuba!

Is it Cuba?

No. If you want me to narrow it down further, I am from either Europe or Central Asia.

No. If you want me to narrow it down further, I am from either Europe or Central Asia.
:eek:

The land of Borat?

The land of Borat?

Maybe, maybe not. :)

I flame you in the hope that you will one day learn to shut up instead of posting spam on every single thread which I start. It gets mighty annoying.

And how many people have you successfully managed to silence by calling them "bitch?"

And how many people have you successfully managed to silence by calling them "bitch?"

It's nothing personal, but I'm going to have to put you on my ignore list. I had hoped that I wouldn't have to resort to such a measure, but, unfortunately, you just don't seem to be quiet.

Maybe, maybe not. :)
:eek:

Kazakhstan!

Well that being slightly in ruins isn't entirely the fault of the USSR - that exacerbated things for sure, but the landscape itself isn't very good for living on, really.

Nah, he was a total wanker. To think, he has the same first name as me :(
Worse still, that his ancestors came from my country! :eek:

:eek:

Actually, it's spelled Kazakhstan, and I haven't admitted to being from there. I simply said that I came from a communist country in either Europe or Central Asia, and I'll probably leave it at that. If someone was really dedicated, they might see how many immigrants from, say, Yugoslavia, currently reside in Manhattan, aged 15-25.

Actually, it's spelled Kazakhstan, and I haven't admitted to being from there.
That's how I spelt it...
I simply said that I came from a communist country in either Europe or Central Asia, and I'll probably leave it at that.
Hmm... Romania?
If someone was really dedicated, they might see how many immigrants from, say, Yugoslavia, currently reside in Manhattan, aged 15-25.
No such place as Yugoslavia anymore...

I'm pretty certain that MTAE has admitted to being from Eastern Europe before. Either a former Soviet republic or member of the Warsaw Pact. My bet is on Lithuania.

Yes, I did. Is there anything wrong with creating a thread to salute George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, or Joe McCarthy? No, of course not; it cannot be considered trolling.
I guess I can quote from the great religious leaders of the past, including Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Gautama Buddha, and The Most Glorious Hack and state that it could indeed be considered trolling. See - inclusion by association made Hack a religious leader! It works!

you'll call Ann Coulter a troll, too?
And a well-paid one, from what I can gather. Ditto Micheal Moore and Al Franken on the other side. Their job is to be paid to stir up shit. Yours isn't.



You're claiming that I want attention, yet you are the one who is constantly flaming and contributing nothing to this thread? Bitch, please.Yeah, you do want attention, that's why instead of ignoring me, you flame me in order to keep me going.I flame you in the hope that you will one day learn to shut up instead of posting spam on every single thread which I start. It gets mighty annoying.And how many people have you successfully managed to silence by calling them "bitch?"

We're all about sick of this bullshit. Just Ignore each other, for Pete's sake.

*snip*

You're celebrating the achievements of a politician who's sole platform was go on the modern equivalent of a witch-hunt?

Hundreds if not thousands of civil servants were dismissed on circumstancial evidence (if any). The systems and institions was almost super-legal (as in above the law).

Ironically, the oppression of free speech made our Nation resemble, guess who...SOVIET RUSSIA!!!

Actually, it's spelled Kazakhstan, and I haven't admitted to being from there. I simply said that I came from a communist country in either Europe or Central Asia, and I'll probably leave it at that. If someone was really dedicated, they might see how many immigrants from, say, Yugoslavia, currently reside in Manhattan, aged 15-25.

Is it Manhattan or Kansas?
Or perhaps Manhattan, Kansas (http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/)?

As for the OP, Joseph McCarthy wanted to try and convict people without allowing them or their counsel to see the evidence against them.
He used hearsay evidence, and wanted to convict people by the mere fact of whom they chose to associate with.
These ideas are completely contrary to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights actually bestows the right of an American to be a Communist if he or she chooses to do so!

You claim to hold American values but consistently make threads and posts that prove that you, in actuality, do not.

Or perhaps Manhattan, Kansas (http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/)?

Correct.

As for the OP, Joseph McCarthy wanted to try and convict people without allowing them or their counsel to see the evidence against them. He used hearsay evidence, and wanted to convict people by the mere fact of whom they chose to associate with.

When we are fighting for our very right to keep our liberties, we cannot be too picky, lest we end up with none at all. Yes, Joe didn't due respect to the Constitution because he cared so much about it. He would rather see it slightly tweaked than completely destroyed, as it would have been had the communists had their way with us. What you have to realize is that the Cold War was a struggle for survival --we didn't have the luxury of following all our strict moral principles while our empire was slowly eroded by the forces of evil. We needed to take decisive action to purge those enemies of the state from our system of government, regardless of our constitutional qualms. I would rather temporarily disregard the least important parts of the Constitution rather than let it fall into communist hands -- what Joe did may have saved us from Stalin, who, needless to say, was much worse. Thus, Joe deserves praise -- he should be lauded as an American hero, not a paranoid maniac (although the two are not necessarily mutually exlusive).

Ironically, the oppression of free speech made our Nation resemble, guess who...SOVIET RUSSIA!!!

FDR, one of our most liberal presidents, imprisoned thousands of people based on race. Joe simply investigated people whom were aligned to a political belief against which we were fighting for our very survival. Which was worse? Apparently, certain people prefer the bigot over the hero who helped saved our country at the expense of a few traitors. They are deluded in their notions.

Is Ann Coulter also a troll? Face it -- her opinions, although correct for the most part, are even more right-wing than mine; I posted one of her quotes to highlight this. In fact, one could go so far as to call her my "role model," but that's a thread I'm saving for her birthday.

I think Ann Coulter is absolutely a troll. The stuff she says is so bat shit insane, and she knows it. Shes made a good living off being a troll and shes not stopping any time soon.

When we are fighting for our very right to keep our liberties, we cannot be too picky, lest we end up with none at all. Yes, Joe didn't due respect to the Constitution because he cared so much about it. He would rather see it slightly tweaked than completely destroyed, as it would have been had the communists had their way with us. What you have to realize is that the Cold War was a struggle for survival --we didn't have the luxury of following all our strict moral principles while our empire was slowly eroded by the forces of evil. We needed to take decisive action to purge those enemies of the state from our system of government, regardless of our constitutional qualms. I would rather temporarily disregard the least important parts of the Constitution rather than let it fall into communist hands -- what Joe did may have saved us from Stalin, who, needless to say, was much worse. Thus, Joe deserves praise -- he should be lauded as an American hero, not a paranoid maniac (although the two are not necessarily mutually exlusive).

1. We were under no threat at the time of a "Communist revolution" or whatnot. He seemed to completely pick names at random, and many of whom had nothing to do with Communist. I'm sure if I were to call five hundred people were communist, chances are I could prove that at least one may have some Communist tendancies, without being such. He stretched to the truth, found the people whom had communist tendencies, and blew these out of proportion to "prove" his case.

2. The Cold War had just begun during this time, and it was hardly a dire fight for our lives during this time. It is just like the "Red Scare"-people were afraid of the "Boogey-Man Commies", which infact did not exist.

3. Being Communist does not mean one sympathizes with Stalin, or the Soviet Union. I am Communist, and I deplore Stalin. Being Communist is not anti-American, regardless of what the hack McCarthy said.

4. The Soviet Union did not want to even make a move to try and convert America. At the time, we were the only other ones with nuclear arms, a great deterrent. Had they tried to "convert" America to Communist, and it really would have been found out, the Soviet Union(Moscow) would have been on the receiving end of a new Nagasaki or Hiroshima.

5. You show no understanding of the politics of the time between the Soviet Union and America during the time. It was not as simple as "Soviet Union was evil, Americas was good!". Stalin was no idiot. Such an attack on America itself would have been devastating for the Soviet Union, as well as America, and was most assuredly not in the best interest of either of us to try and dismantle the other from within. It would be nearly impossible, impracticle, and eventually disasterous.

6. McCarthy was a bully. The people got sick of him after his "hearings" started being aired, and the people saw his bullshit for what it really was. He often made everything he based his hearings on, called everyone he didn't like a Communist, and insighted fear in an unknowing populace, whom eventually caught on.

FDR, one of our most liberal presidents, imprisoned thousands of people based on race. Joe simply investigated people whom were aligned to a political belief against which we were fighting for our very survival. Which was worse? Apparently, certain people prefer the bigot over the hero who helped saved our country at the expense of a few traitors. They are deluded in their notions.

How is being Communist un-American, by chance? Really, I have yet to hear from anyone a good explanation. Do you even know what "Communism" means?

And the concentration camps were deplorable. That has nothing to with McCarthy, who just wanted to make a name for himself, and ensighting a 20th century witch hunt.

I'm touched...
You want to be careful where Philosopy touches you.

You sure Joe isn't short for Josephine? Cause I thought you were a chick as well.

When we are fighting for our very right to keep our liberties, we cannot be too picky, lest we end up with none at all.
Destroying liberty to protect liberty is a purpose defeated. Any victory won by sacrificing our freedom is a Pyrrhic one.
Yes, Joe didn't due respect to the Constitution because he cared so much about it. He would rather see it slightly tweaked than completely destroyed, as it would have been had the communists had their way with us.
Bullshit. McCarthy cared nothing for the Constitution or the "American Way", for that matter. Much like the current administration, he merely used fear of a largely imagined enemy to increase his own political power.
What you have to realize is that the Cold War was a struggle for survival --we didn't have the luxury of following all our strict moral principles while our empire was slowly eroded by the forces of evil.
And by allowing our morals to erode from within, we nearly became what we were fighting. Even after McCarhty's downfall, his reign of terror over our country is seen as one of the darkest periods of our history.
We needed to take decisive action to purge those enemies of the state from our system of government, regardless of our constitutional qualms.
McCarthy wasn't purging saboteurs and terrorists, he was purging anyone with even the most tenuous link to Communism. Our real fear was of Stalin, who used Communism as a front to further his own tyrannical agenda (note the symmetry there...). Meanwhile, McCarthy was terrorizing innocent Americans who had done nothing more than study socialism in college or checked out a book about Communism at the library.

Unless, of course, you're talking about the thousands of conspirators he simply made up on the spot.
I would rather temporarily disregard the least important parts of the Constitution rather than let it fall into communist hands
I'd love to here what parts of the Constitution you consider important.
what Joe did may have saved us from Stalin, who, needless to say, was much worse. Thus, Joe deserves praise -- he should be lauded as an American hero, not a paranoid maniac
*sigh*
(although the two are not necessarily mutually exlusive).
True dat.

FDR, one of our most liberal presidents, imprisoned thousands of people based on race. Joe simply investigated people whom were aligned to a political belief against which we were fighting for our very survival. Which was worse? Apparently, certain people prefer the bigot over the hero who helped saved our country at the expense of a few traitors. They are deluded in their notions.
He saved them from what? The ability from being able to live a normal life free from the judgemental eye of the public, who refused to associate with the 'pariahs'; innocent people who lost everything because of a witch hunt that had no purpose other than to instil fear into the hearts of Americans that communism was more evil than it ever could be.

How were the thousands of innocents a threat to their nation? What purpose was there to destroying the livelihood of all the thousands of innocents in order to find one Soviet spy? There was no purpose.

The McCarthy Trials were the 1950s version of The Patriot Act and the illegal wiretapping. They don't trap those who its supposed to and thousands of innocents get persecuted for no reason; they lose their rights, jobs, friends, family and wind up with nothing even if they are found to be innocent because of the stigma that comes from being targetted.

Stalin's Russia was not communist. They were a left-wing totalitarian dictatorship. They may have borrowed an idea or two, but, they were no communist. A better term one could use to describe Stalin's form of government would be to call it "Stalinism".

Oh, for the love of...

hahahahahahaha!

hahahahahahaha!

That wouldn't be the first time that I've been quoted. :p

So MTAE fails to understand US history? Maybe he shouldn't be so keen on eliminating it from the American school system...........:D

So MTAE fails to understand US history? Maybe he shouldn't be so keen on eliminating it from the American school system...........:D

Owned!

So MTAE fails to understand US history? Maybe he shouldn't be so keen on eliminating it from the American school system...........:D

Well, it's the only way that he can justify anything he says. So, if we were to remove history, he could say whatever he wanted, regardless of whether it is true or not, and people would have to take it as true.

So MTAE fails to understand US history? Maybe he shouldn't be so keen on eliminating it from the American school system...........:D

Indeed.

And thus the righteous posters of NS accused MTAE, and the Roman governor Pontius Hotrodius asked of them "How shalt I punish the accused?" The posters thus spake. "Bannify him! Bannify him!"

FFS, for a second I thought this was satire. than I saw it was by you. Just fuck off, you miserable bastard.

Just fuck off, you miserable bastard.
Knock it off, Zarakon. Flaming in response to trolling is still flaming.


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It might interest people to know that Joseph McCarthy is buried in my current town of residence.

This gives me all sorts of ideas for practical jokes...most of them bad. :D

It might interest people to know that Joseph McCarthy is buried in my current town of residence.

This gives me all sorts of ideas for practical jokes...most of them bad. :D

Ah, leave the poor, dead man's corpse alone. He destroyed the lives of many innocent people to keep you safe from the Bolshevik hordes. Be thankful, laddie.

It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you. In this case, Stalin was not a cute, cuddly kitten who only wanted what was in the best interests of the US, in case you hadn't noticed that already.

Unfortunately, McCarthy also went after anyone and everyone, irregardless of whether or not it was based in fact.

But hey, who cares, right? We all get to ignore little subtleties every once in a while.

Ah, leave the poor, dead man's corpse alone. He destroyed the lives of many innocent people to keep you safe from the Bolshevik hordes. Be thankful, laddie.

I wasn't going to do anything to his corpse...*shudders*

I was just thinking of draping one of THESE (http://members.aol.com/duvelle/nxp-zarya/ussr.gif) on his tombstone. :p

You sir, are diabolical! :eek:

:p

You sir, are diabolical! :eek:

:p

Why, thank you! :D

I wasn't going to do anything to his corpse...*shudders*

I was just thinking of draping one of THESE (http://members.aol.com/duvelle/nxp-zarya/ussr.gif) on his tombstone. :p

You should do it & post the picture here for us.

You should do it & post the picture here for us.

Hmmm...perhaps I shall, although first I have to get my hands on a Soviet flag. :p

Hmmm...perhaps I shall, although first I have to get my hands on a Soviet flag. :p

Any sort of hammer & sickle device would do.

Yes, I have had several unpleasant experiences with liberals. For the first few years of my life, I lived in a communist country. I saw, with my own eyes, the downfall of liberalism -- people starved to death, you had to wait for hours to get a loaf of bread, you had no political voice, etc. That's why my family and I came to the US and Kansas in particular -- here, there is a free market and freedom abounds. I dare any liberal on these forums to question McCarthy after having lived in a communist country. I dare you.

Interesting. While I never lived in a communist state, my ex-boyfriend spent the first eight years of his life in Romania. Oddly enough, he's more of a pinko than I am. Guess that shoots your "those who have been there know better" argument.

Any sort of hammer & sickle device would do.

Nope...if I'm going to do this, then it's going to be done right! :D

I'm not going to answer that, but I will say that I'm not German.
You may not be German and you may have come from a Communist country and yet it appears that you have an affinity to totalitarianism (from other threads), thusly, it is not surprising that you admire Joe McCarthy considering the following appraisal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy#Censure_and_the_Watkins_Committee)of the man:

Vermont Republican Senator Ralph E. Flanders had also condemned McCarthy on the floor of the Senate, comparing McCarthy to Hitler, accused him of spreading "division and confusion" and said "Were the Junior Senator from Wisconsin in the pay of the Communists he could not have done a better job for them."
How ironic?

You want to blame the liberals for Joe's demise, but in fact it was the Republican Party which reduced him to irrelevance:

Several members of the U.S. Senate opposed McCarthy well before 1953. One example is U.S. Senator Margaret Chase Smith, a Maine Republican who delivered her "Declaration of Conscience" on June 1, 1950, calling for an end to the use of smear tactics without mentioning McCarthy or anyone else by name. Six other Republican Senators, Wayne Morse, Irving M. Ives, Charles W. Tobey, Edward John Thye, George Aiken and Robert C. Hendrickson joined her in condemning McCarthy's tactics. McCarthy referred to Smith and her fellow Senators as "Snow White and the six dwarfs.
Yeah, go ahead and blame the liberals....

An increasing number of Republicans and conservatives were coming to see McCarthy as a liability to the party and to anti-communism. Congressman George H. Bender noted "There is a growing impatience with the Republican Party. McCarthyism has become a synonym for witch-hunting, star chamber methods and the denial of. . . civil liberties." Frederick Woltman, a reporter with a long-standing reputation as a staunch anti-communist, wrote in New York World-Telegram that McCarthy "has become a major liability to the cause of anti-communism.

You want to blame the liberals for Joe's demise, but in fact it was the Republican Party which reduced him to irrelevance.
I'm sure that MTAE will find a way to twist what you just said to make it look like an inside conspiracy to taint the "good" name of McCarthy, and that the 'Republicans' who spoke out against him were trying to subversly indoctrine communism into the American way of life by painting poor McCarthy as a devil, when he's really the knight in shining armour come to rescue America!

Score! This genuinely belongs in Private Eye, its that funny:D

I am assuming this is satire....

Senator Joseph McCarthy's name has been dragged through the mud

It's time to re-examine who the victim was in the 1950s. It wasn't the outspoken liberals who were being "silenced" by Joe -- it was Joe, who was being silenced by certain treasonous liberals. He was halted in his course of action by communist sympathizers, not brave Democrats who valued freedom. Hopefully, we'll all be able to see that some day. We owe our current well-being, partially, to Joe , and I salute him for all he did to make this country thrive.


I thought, it was against joe. sorry.

Yes, I have had several unpleasant experiences with liberals. For the first few years of my life, I lived in a communist country. I saw, with my own eyes, the downfall of liberalism -- people starved to death, you had to wait for hours to get a loaf of bread, you had no political voice, etc. That's why my family and I came to the US and Kansas in particular -- here, there is a free market and freedom abounds. I dare any liberal on these forums to question McCarthy after having lived in a communist country. I dare you.


Dare accepted: I lived in Prague in the 70's.

And Joe was still a dick. Even if his intentions were good, his methods were what are objected to, and rejected. Ruining people using guilt-by-innuendo made him little better than the Soviet system for sending people off to a gulag for a bit based on hearsay.


You know, your trolling is usually is far better than this. Especially your hilarious assertion tucked into this quote that liberal equates to communist.

After all, if it weren't for liberal immigration policies, and if people followed the advice of Joe, your family wouldn't have been allowed entry to the US.

Being from a Commie state and all, clearly they are people not to be trusted who would only corrupt the locals with their brainwashed adherence to Stalinist propoganda.....

Assuming your biography to be true (BIG assumption) McCarthy, having his way, would have had 'em rounded up and tossed into his own version of the gulag given half a chance... and you along with them.

What a hero indeed!

Senator Joseph McCarthy's name has been dragged through the mud by the liberal media for half a century now. They have been feeding on his corpse like a group of depraved dogs, tearing him apart, ridiculing his ideas, casting him in a very negative light as a congressman run amok with power and vindictive evil, and disgracing his standing. They were not content with slandering him while alive, and are dedicated to posthumously desecrating his image. Well, I, personally, resent what is happening and I want to take the time to honor a great American and a devoted patriot.

Joe was born in a small Wisconsin town, and was a naturally hard worker. He stayed behind to attend to the family farm instead of finishing high school, but nonetheless proceeded to college lated through his assiduous attention to detail and his strong work ethic. Because of his natural genius, he was able to secure a post as the youngest judge in Wisconsin's history in 1939! Did his success get to his head? Did his arrogance stop him from joining the army? Was he so accustomed to a good life that he refused to fight for his country? No! He was a dedicated individual and he volunteered to fight the Japanese and German monsters, even though it was not required of him. He risked everything to fight a growing menace, yet the liberals media never credits him on his military service, which was fine and distinguished.

In 1946, Joe began a campaign for public office, utterly destroying the Follette dynasty. His reputation of honesty and great regard for his country was enough to overpower an incumbent who had served for consecutive terms. In fact, he defeated him in the GOP primary! When it came time for the real election, he handily defeated his Democratic opponent by a margin of 2 to 1. These political gains were a result of his straightforward and dedicated attitude and great diligence, and he deserves our respect for that.

During his tenure as a senator, a number of problems were beplaguing the United States which Joe so dearly loved. The most ominous of these perils was communism, which threatened to destroy Joe's beloved country from within. Should Joe have allowed the downfall of his country without raising a hand? No, he courageously fought back. He denounced communism and tried to weed out all the poisonous elements from the government which threatened its very viability. He launched a crusade against those who wished the US ill. He valiantly campaigned against traitors who would have the hammer and sickle flying over Washington. And he won. He correctly identified many spies and dangerous citizens within the US. His prosecutorial zealousness allowed this country to prosper, outside from terrible communist influence. Despite his heroic deeds, he was mercilessly critiqued by the liberal media because he helped save his country. Why is that? Well, Ann Coulter thinks that "you think you know about McCarthy is a hegemonic lie. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis."

It's time to re-examine who the victim was in the 1950s. It wasn't the outspoken liberals who were being "silenced" by Joe -- it was Joe, who was being silenced by certain treasonous liberals. He was halted in his course of action by communist sympathizers, not brave Democrats who valued freedom. Hopefully, we'll all be able to see that some day. We owe our current well-being, partially, to Senator Joe McCarthy, and I salute him for all he did to make this country thrive.

Well he might not have been as perfect as all that but I think you have a great point. I identify with the man and wish we were blacklisting all the hollywood liberal dummies who are anti-war. Yeah we could use a bit of a purge of liberals here who want to do business with the red chinese and other whacko nations. Also, we have been seeing a lot of acceptance for homosexual rights that seems rather subversive.

Is it bad that I don't know who this guy is.

I'm non american and I've never heard of him
*looks up on wiki*

Joe was born in a small Wisconsin town, and was a naturally hard worker. He stayed behind to attend to the family farm instead of finishing high school, but nonetheless proceeded to college lated through his assiduous attention to detail and his strong work ethic. Because of his natural genius, he was able to secure a post as the youngest judge in Wisconsin's history in 1939! Did his success get to his head? Did his arrogance stop him from joining the army? Was he so accustomed to a good life that he refused to fight for his country? No! He was a dedicated individual and he volunteered to fight the Japanese and German monsters, even though it was not required of him. He risked everything to fight a growing menace, yet the liberals media never credits him on his military service, which was fine and distinguished.


Hmm what about this then

It is a matter of record that McCarthy exaggerated his war record. He claimed to have enlisted as a "buck private," though due to his automatic commission he entered basic training as an officer. He flew 12 combat missions as a gunner-observer, but later claimed 32 missions in order to qualify for a Distinguished Flying Cross, which he received in 1952. McCarthy publicized a letter of commendation signed by his commanding officer and countersigned by Admiral Chester Nimitz, but it was revealed that McCarthy had written this letter himself, in his capacity as intelligence officer. A "war wound" that McCarthy made the subject of varying stories involving airplane crashes or antiaircraft fire was in fact received aboard ship during an initiation ceremony for sailors who cross the equator for the first time.[2][3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Brave hero indeed

If I had a choice between being stalked down a dark alley by Joe McCarthy, or Charlie McCarthy, I'd pick Charlie and hope I had a match. :p

If I had a choice between being stalked down a dark alley by Joe McCarthy, or Charlie McCarthy, I'd pick Charlie and hope I had a match. :p
Perhaps Joe McCarthy was more wooden then people thought? Maybe Joe's agenda came with strings attached? Maybe Joe was just a puppet of his uncle Charlie? Maybe Charlie is more dangerous then you thought? :p

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/EdgarBergenandCharlieMcCarthyStageDoorCanteen1.jpg/637px-EdgarBergenandCharlieMcCarthyStageDoorCanteen1.jpg

I'm sure that MTAE will find a way to twist what you just said to make it look like an inside conspiracy to taint the "good" name of McCarthy, and that the 'Republicans' who spoke out against him were trying to subversly indoctrine communism into the American way of life by painting poor McCarthy as a devil, when he's really the knight in shining armour come to rescue America!
Perhaps you have read one too many MTAE threads?

Back away from the keyboard slowly and repeat....I will not think like him, I will not think like him, I will not think like him.......


:rolleyes:

Perhaps you have read one too many MTAE threads?

Back away from the keyboard slowly and repeat....I will not think like him, I will not think like him, I will not think like him.......


:rolleyes:

Nah, It's when you get up chanting IM-HO-TEP that you need to worry.:D

Nah, It's when you get up chanting IM-HO-TEP that you need to worry.:D

What about "Brraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnsss ssssssssssss!!!!!!!?????!!!!!?????"

1. We were under no threat at the time of a "Communist revolution" or whatnot. He seemed to completely pick names at random, and many of whom had nothing to do with Communist. I'm sure if I were to call five hundred people were communist, chances are I could prove that at least one may have some Communist tendancies, without being such. He stretched to the truth, found the people whom had communist tendencies, and blew these out of proportion to "prove" his case.

Actually, the US was under a grave threat at the time -- the specter of communism hung over the US like the sword of Damocles. There was the very real danger that Soviet spies would infiltrate our government functions and sabotage our military and our capacity to defend ourselves against external foes. Also, Joe was very diligent in acquiring information on supposed communist activities and never named people at random. He did not interrogate anybody except those who had strong links tying them to communism and were therefore perilous to the well-being of our country.

2. The Cold War had just begun during this time, and it was hardly a dire fight for our lives during this time. It is just like the "Red Scare"-people were afraid of the "Boogey-Man Commies", which infact did not exist.

Yes, I'm sure that nuclear weapons were completely irrelevant -- they certainly couldn't kill a large amount of people in a very short space of time. Let's be honest: there were very clear and present dangers throughout the Cold War, and these were only compounded by communist infiltration in the US system of government.

3. Being Communist does not mean one sympathizes with Stalin, or the Soviet Union. I am Communist, and I deplore Stalin. Being Communist is not anti-American, regardless of what the hack McCarthy said.

Unfortunately, in a time of war, extreme measures must be taken. For example, FDR imprisoned all the Japenese citizens living inside the US, although very few of them were actively involved in the war effort against the US. Although I despise FDR, that was one of the only patriotic moves which he made.

This thread threatens a critical mass of irony resulting in an explosion that would wipe out irony all over the inter-webs!

MTAE is using a very unpopular position to support a man who would of criminalized taking an unpopular position.

Everyone else is taking a McCarthyist position that says the support of an unpopular idea should be censored.


THE IRONY!

Actually, the US was under a grave threat at the time -- the specter of communism hung over the US like the sword of Damocles. .

christ on a bicyle...

there is no point asking you to back that outlandish claim up, is there?

Actually, the US was under a grave threat at the time -- the specter of communism hung over the US like the sword of Damocles.

HAHAHAA.
Hahaha.
Ha.
You're funny :)

Awwww,MTAE's offline :(
Why do I always miss his threads?They're always so entertaining:)

Communism was an external threat to the United States, yes. The USSR had some spies in the US government, yes. It was nowhere near as extensive as McCarthy had suggested though.

We had a system that worked, both economically and politically. We could contain the USSR, and eventually, it's internal contradictions would ruin it.

"A Tribute to Joseph McCarthy" ?

:p

It's like you pick your thread titles from The Onion. Too bad it's only the titles.

The Onion! That thing is the schizznit!

Perhaps Joe McCarthy was more wooden then people thought? Maybe Joe's agenda came with strings attached? Maybe Joe was just a puppet of his uncle Charlie? Maybe Charlie is more dangerous then you thought? :p

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/EdgarBergenandCharlieMcCarthyStageDoorCanteen1.jpg/637px-EdgarBergenandCharlieMcCarthyStageDoorCanteen1.jpg

I know exactly how dangerous getting stalked by an animated ventriloquist doll can be. It's still considerably less creepy than Joe. :)

I know exactly how dangerous getting stalked by an animated ventriloquist doll can be. It's still considerably less creepy than Joe. :)

Creepy, violent alcoholics are never fun to be stalked by, but on the other hand, our enemies at the time were hiding microfilm in hollowed out pumpkins.

Senator Joseph McCarthy's name has been dragged through the mud by the liberal media for half a century now. They have been feeding on his corpse like a group of depraved dogs, tearing him apart, ridiculing his ideas, casting him in a very negative light as a congressman run amok with power and vindictive evil, and disgracing his standing. They were not content with slandering him while alive, and are dedicated to posthumously desecrating his image. Well, I, personally, resent what is happening and I want to take the time to honor a great American and a devoted patriot.

Joe was born in a small Wisconsin town, and was a naturally hard worker. He stayed behind to attend to the family farm instead of finishing high school, but nonetheless proceeded to college lated through his assiduous attention to detail and his strong work ethic. Because of his natural genius, he was able to secure a post as the youngest judge in Wisconsin's history in 1939! Did his success get to his head? Did his arrogance stop him from joining the army? Was he so accustomed to a good life that he refused to fight for his country? No! He was a dedicated individual and he volunteered to fight the Japanese and German monsters, even though it was not required of him. He risked everything to fight a growing menace, yet the liberals media never credits him on his military service, which was fine and distinguished.

In 1946, Joe began a campaign for public office, utterly destroying the Follette dynasty. His reputation of honesty and great regard for his country was enough to overpower an incumbent who had served for consecutive terms. In fact, he defeated him in the GOP primary! When it came time for the real election, he handily defeated his Democratic opponent by a margin of 2 to 1. These political gains were a result of his straightforward and dedicated attitude and great diligence, and he deserves our respect for that.

During his tenure as a senator, a number of problems were beplaguing the United States which Joe so dearly loved. The most ominous of these perils was communism, which threatened to destroy Joe's beloved country from within. Should Joe have allowed the downfall of his country without raising a hand? No, he courageously fought back. He denounced communism and tried to weed out all the poisonous elements from the government which threatened its very viability. He launched a crusade against those who wished the US ill. He valiantly campaigned against traitors who would have the hammer and sickle flying over Washington. And he won. He correctly identified many spies and dangerous citizens within the US. His prosecutorial zealousness allowed this country to prosper, outside from terrible communist influence. Despite his heroic deeds, he was mercilessly critiqued by the liberal media because he helped save his country. Why is that? Well, Ann Coulter thinks that "you think you know about McCarthy is a hegemonic lie. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis."

It's time to re-examine who the victim was in the 1950s. It wasn't the outspoken liberals who were being "silenced" by Joe -- it was Joe, who was being silenced by certain treasonous liberals. He was halted in his course of action by communist sympathizers, not brave Democrats who valued freedom. Hopefully, we'll all be able to see that some day. We owe our current well-being, partially, to Senator Joe McCarthy, and I salute him for all he did to make this country thrive.

Fuck, where to start
:confused: :confused:

i know, how about the fact that McCarthy lied about his service record. In addition to lying about the number of missions he flew in order to qualify for the Distinguished Flying Cross, McCarthy also lied about the war wound he received, claiming at various times that it was due either to a plane crash or anti-aircraft fire, when in fact it was nothing more then an stupid initiation tirual that happened when he crossed the equator.

As for your pigshit claim that McCarthy was halted in his course of action by communist sympathizers, that qualifies as the single most 'tardedly stupid. ignorant and ill-informed piece of bullshit I've seen on the 'net in over two years.

By shrieking this shit, you are in fact claiming that President Eisenhower, as well as every member of the Senate who voted to censure him as well as Army attorney general Joseph Welch was a communist sympathizer, if not a Communist.

Fucking Christ, the level of 'tardness is mindblowing.

You are a used, pus filled douche of a troll and a vile human being and I pray that you get taken out in the most painful way possible.

You want to be careful where Philosopy touches you.
Indeed.
You sure Joe isn't short for Josephine? Cause I thought you were a chick as well.
Jo is short for Josephine. Joe is not.

And I'm not a 'chick' at all, I'm male. And as I said, I'd prove it with my camera phone, but I'd get banned.

Unfortunately, in a time of war, extreme measures must be taken. For example, FDR imprisoned all the Japenese citizens living inside the US, although very few of them were actively involved in the war effort against the US. Although I despise FDR, that was one of the only patriotic moves which he made.
About two pages ago, you were bitching about this. What's it to be? Was it a good thing, or a bad one?

About two pages ago, you were bitching about this. What's it to be? Was it a good thing, or a bad one?

It's both, whichever is convenient to his current argument.

Those complete wagonloads of tosh some folks in here come up with...

the USA were that ---> <--- close to becoming bolshevik in McCarthy's days.

But ONE MAN wasn't f###in' havin' it.

Praise the Lord. You'd all be Commies by now.

Love or hate McCarthy, communist subversion was a significant problem. According to the now declassified Venona archives, there were at least 400 known Soviet spies. Bear in mind that only a tiny percentage of the files have been translated, so the actual number may have been much higher. Not surprisingly, all - or nearly all - of the few hundred people McCarthy accused of being communists (not thousands, as many people claim) were communists. You're probably asking, "So, what's wrong with being communist?" Nothing is wrong. But being a member of an organization (the CPUSA) subsidized (to the tune of $1,000,000+ a year) by your worst foe, and dedicated to the overthrow of your government, is treason. Being a communist is not treason, nor is opposing your government, but belonging to a party funded and directed by a hostile foreign power (dedicated to your destruction) is. Whether McCarthy was right or wrong about the way he went about it, or whether his legacy is a laudable or loathsome one, I'll leave for the historians to decide. But "McCarthyism," whatever its faults, was not the crazed witchhunt the left paints it as. McCarthy was one of the only men brave enough to address a very serious problem the federal government could not and would not address itself.

It's both, whichever is convenient to his current argument.
Indeed. Exactly my point.

It's both, whichever is convenient to his current argument.

I don't consider what he's saying to be an argument, as an argument has to be based on some semblence, however small of factual reality.

Love or hate McCarthy, communist subversion was a significant problem. According to the now declassified Venona archives, there were at least 400 known Soviet spies. Bear in mind that only a tiny percentage of the files have been translated, so the actual number may have been much higher. Not surprisingly, all - or nearly all - of the few hundred people McCarthy accused of being communists (not thousands, as many people claim) were communists. You're probably asking, "So, what's wrong with being communist?" Nothing is wrong. But being a member of an organization (the CPUSA) subsidized (to the tune of $1,000,000+ a year) by your worst foe, and dedicated to the overthrow of your government, is treason. Being a communist is not treason, nor is opposing your government, but belonging to a party funded and directed by a hostile foreign power (dedicated to your destruction) is. Whether McCarthy was right or wrong about the way he went about it, or whether his legacy is a laudable or loathsome one, I'll leave for the historians to decide. But "McCarthyism," whatever its faults, was not the crazed witchhunt the left paints it as. McCarthy was one of the only men brave enough to address a very serious problem the federal government could not and would not address itself.

Just out of curiosity do you have any sort of data to back up those assertions? Also how were the homosexuals McCarthy was so on about a threat to the nation?

Actually, the US was under a grave threat at the time -- the specter of communism hung over the US like the sword of Damocles. There was the very real danger that Soviet spies would infiltrate our government functions and sabotage our military and our capacity to defend ourselves against external foes. Also, Joe was very diligent in acquiring information on supposed communist activities and never named people at random. He did not interrogate anybody except those who had strong links tying them to communism and were therefore perilous to the well-being of our country.



Yes, I'm sure that nuclear weapons were completely irrelevant -- they certainly couldn't kill a large amount of people in a very short space of time. Let's be honest: there were very clear and present dangers throughout the Cold War, and these were only compounded by communist infiltration in the US system of government.



Unfortunately, in a time of war, extreme measures must be taken. For example, FDR imprisoned all the Japenese citizens living inside the US, although very few of them were actively involved in the war effort against the US. Although I despise FDR, that was one of the only patriotic moves which he made.

Somehow, I don't think you know too much Cold War history.

Just out of curiosity do you have any sort of data to back up those assertions? Also how were the homosexuals McCarthy was so on about a threat to the nation?

For starters, read the Venona archives. Also recommended are McCarthy and His Enemies, The Lattimore Story, and Who Promoted Peress?. In addition, John Earl Haynes has written many books exhaustively detailing the extent of Soviet infiltration of the federal government.

As for homosexuals and McCarthy, to be honest, I have heard nothing about that, so I have nothing to either rebut nor validate that.

Ah, America vs Communism ...such a wonderful topic. There are so many glorious points to make about it.

Right, for a start McCarty was not "saving America from communism". He went on a ridiculous witch hunt for Communists that had many, many innocent people arrested. Because if you look hard enough for "enemies", then by god you're going to find some. People who had once attended a Socialist rally when they were students were arrested, anyone who liked to read a Socialist newspaper was under suspician, actors and artists got nabbed left, right and centre. It was an entirely contrived crisis.

The real reason that America went so violently anti-communist is almost entirely that Russia (then the USSR) was communist. They needed some "enemy" to vilify, to point at and divert people's attention to. If you tell people that there's a massive threat, and that you're the only thing standing between them and doom, then they don't exactly rush to get rid of you. I'm not saying that the USSR was blameless at all, but the biggest reason was the the political power-players in Washington blew the whole situation right out of proportion.

In the end, almost literally.

And the USSR, not unreasonably, pushed back. If everyone is being told that you're the bad guys, the "force for evil" in the world, then that doesn't exactly made you want to send them hugs and roses. The situation spiralled out of control, and what started as a political distraction almost ended in nuclear war.

And come on, who the hell really believes that America would suddenly turn communist? It was a contrived threat, nothing more. I just don't believe that anything the USSR could possibly have done would have made America change from the most Capitalist country in the world, to even a mildly Communist one.

If you every get the chance, read or go see a performance of "The Crucible", by Arthur Miller. It's a play about the Salem witch trials that was written as an exact parallel to McCarthyism. And it's a very good story to boot :)

It might interest people to know that Joseph McCarthy is buried in my current town of residence.

This gives me all sorts of ideas for practical jokes...most of them bad. :D

*Thinks* Dig him up, put a tape recorder in him and make him "accuse" people you don't like of communism?

This thread threatens a critical mass of irony resulting in an explosion that would wipe out irony all over the inter-webs!

MTAE is using a very unpopular position to support a man who would of criminalized taking an unpopular position.

Everyone else is taking a McCarthyist position that says the support of an unpopular idea should be censored.


THE IRONY!
This is the second time that I've seen a claim like this and while I've only been scanning the thread I haven't actually seen what's been accused. Maybe I'm missing it, I do see people disagreeing with him, but I don't see people trying to censor or ban him. There are people who think he's a troll, but that has more to do with an established pattern of behavior rather than an unpopular position. Maybe there are posts I'm not seeing, but so far it's just disagreement. Disagreeing with someone and saying so is not a call for censorship or banning, it's discussion. At the very least it is certain that 'everyone else' isn't saying that he should be censored. They are simply disagreeing. Again, not the same thing.

Is it worth it to post here? I haven't read anything but half of the op but I'm guessing it was thoroughly trashed but not acknowledged by MTAE?

You realize of course it could very well of been counter intelligence, or hiding real spy code names in with a bunch of gibberish ones to throw us off.

Communism was an external threat to the United States, yes. The USSR had some spies in the US government, yes. It was nowhere near as extensive as McCarthy had suggested though.

We had a system that worked, both economically and politically. We could contain the USSR, and eventually, it's internal contradictions would ruin it.

I wish it was that easy but it was not. Instead we relied on a lot of smart and courageous people from the CIA and other governmental agencies. The straw that broke the camel's back was a computer virus that we used to infect their computers.

Like it or not but intelligence, covert operations, and counter intelligence is very very important. Now I am not saying that McCarthy was all that great but he did a lot to keep us mindful of the red menace. If anything I would liken him to war bonds during WWII. Yeah, we could have just raised taxes to fund the war and issued normal bonds but it was a program that kept the public mindful and psychologically engaged to the commitment to win the war.

Sorry I had an accidental double posting.

McCarthy was tough on the commies but went a little overboard.

MTAE is kinda funny, but mostly annoying. He's a troll - I know it's been said before, but I follow up with this - He's a troll, and I don't care if anyone disagrees with me, because they're simply wrong, and that's pretty much the end of that.

Alright, alright...picture this...Joe McCarthy is hidden away...inside a pumpkin!

Oh this is soooo awesome! Man, he's really honed his troll skills...a tribute to McCarthy?! I never would have thought of it! Bravo!!!

Oh this is soooo awesome! Man, he's really honed his troll skills...a tribute to McCarthy?! I never would have thought of it! Bravo!!!
Meh, it's been done. Ann Coulter writes pretty much this same rant in each of her books.

About two pages ago, you were bitching about this. What's it to be? Was it a good thing, or a bad one?

That is a false statement. I was bitching about hypocritical liberals, and cited FDR as the most egregious example. I do think that his decision to imprison Japanese-Americans was an intelligent decision (one of the very few which FDR made).

Meh, it's been done. Ann Coulter writes pretty much this same rant in each of her books.

Who would read his/her books?

That was an absolutely brilliant thread. Entertaining from beginning to end. I congratulate you.

That is a false statement. I was bitching about hypocritical liberals, and cited FDR as the most egregious example. I do think that his decision to imprison Japanese-Americans was an intelligent decision (one of the very few which FDR made).

You do know what a Liberal is, don't you?

Who would read his/her books?

His.*


I would not.

Who would read his/her books?

Her books are very enlightening and will broaden your mind by exposing you to a different, yet intelligent, viewpoint.

Alright, alright...picture this...Joe McCarthy is hidden away...inside a pumpkin!

A McCarthy-lantern? Horrible!

You sir, are diabolical! :eek:

:D

I'm not going to answer that, but I will say that I'm not German.

Und dafür sei dem Himmel gedankt.

Thank God for that.

If his books "broaden my mind" round to your point of view, then I think I'll give him a miss. You know, sticking to ideas that make sense ...

Und dafür sei dem Himmel gedankt.

I tried to use Google to translate that, and it returned that "and but is thanked the sky." Then I realized you posted the translation. Do you have something against Germans?

Actually, the US was under a grave threat at the time -- the specter of communism hung over the US like the sword of Damocles. There was the very real danger that Soviet spies would infiltrate our government functions and sabotage our military and our capacity to defend ourselves against external foes.
Too bad Communism isn't actually as evil as Republicans and Democrats of the 1950s would like you to believe. The types of communism that exist are a farcry from that which Marx wrote the manifesto on. His ideals were theoretical when he penned them. They were no doubt ideological like any utopian view on the world. The forms of communism practice are perverted takes on Marx's utopian view of a society free of 'classes'.

I tried to use Google to translate that, and it returned that "and but is thanked the sky." Then I realized you posted the translation. Do you have something against Germans?
If Dorstfeld did, he'd wish you were one of them.

If his books "broaden my mind" round to your point of view, then I think I'll give him a miss. You know, sticking to ideas that make sense ...

So you are saying that you will deliberately remain ignorant of opposing viewpoints lest you realize that you are incorrect in your thinking? I used to be a liberal, too, when I was younger, but Coulter helped convert me.

Perhaps you have read one too many MTAE threads?

Back away from the keyboard slowly and repeat....I will not think like him, I will not think like him, I will not think like him.......
Actually, the stuff that MTAE posts looks much like material posted by past trolls. There is a general trend involved, so once you read one or two threads, you can easily predict the kind of asinine shit the troll will spew when his ass... err... mouth opens.

Too bad Communism isn't actually as evil as Republicans and Democrats of the 1950s would like you to believe.

Tell that to the millions of Soviets who were killed because of the failed economic policies of the central planning committee which led to massive starvation; tell that to the freedom fighters in Hungary who were mercilessly and ruthlessly slain.

you can easily predict the kind of asinine shit the troll will spew when his ass... err... mouth opens.

The same holds true for most liberals or people with very definite political beliefs, including you.

Tell that to the millions of Soviets who were killed because of the failed economic policies of the central planning committee which led to massive starvation; tell that to the freedom fighters in Hungary who were mercilessly and ruthlessly slain.
The type of government that the Soviet Union embraced was not Communism; it's better described as Stalinism. While that government borrowed ideas from the Communist Manifest, it wasn't in practice communist because in a true communist country, all people are equal, and the power belongs to the people and not an elite group thereof. Stalin was a dictator, and as such, considered himself above the people of Soviet Russia. A communist would have been equal to his countrymen.

If Dorstfeld did, he'd wish you were one of them.

I still don't get it. What do you mean?

The same holds true for most liberals or people with very definite political beliefs, including you.
I'm not a liberal, nor am I a conservative, therefore, you cannot predict what I'll say next. If you've seen what I write in some random threads, you'll realise that not all people fall into the narrow spectrum of political beliefs you assume exists.

The type of government that the Soviet Union embraced was not Communism;

I see. Perhaps the US is not capitalist, either?

I still don't get it. What do you mean?
I'd explain it, but then the subtleness would be wasted.

I see. Perhaps the US is not capitalist, either?
No, the US is not capitalist. It's a Republic. The US may embrace many of the ideals that capitalism offers, but, it identifies itself as a Republic. Though, some Americans like to call it a Democracy.

I'm not a liberal, nor am I a conservative, therefore, you cannot predict what I'll say next.

That's a non sequitur. Assuming you have views which are logically based on certain moral axioms, it is not difficult to predict how you will respond to a particular political theorem.

I used to be a liberal, too, when I was younger, but Coulter helped convert me.

:D It's hard to deny it; she is well equipped to influence the minds of young, red-blooded Americans.

No, the US is not capitalist. It's a Republic.

The two are not mutually exclusive; one is a economic system and the other is a method of government. There are many capitalist republics.

:D It's hard to deny it; she is well equipped to influence the minds of young, red-blooded Americans.

I'll deny it.

I'll deny it.

Ditto.

Ditto.

No, that's Rush fans.

That's a non sequitur. Assuming you have views which are logically based on certain moral axioms, it is not difficult to predict how you will respond to a particular political theorem.
I fall left of centre, but, I am socialist in some ways, but in some terms, a fiscal conservative. It's not so easy when dealing with people who don't fall under strictly 'liberal'/Democrat or 'conservative'/Republican.

I'll deny it.

Excellent. To avoid the snares of the temptress means you have won, my child. Go forth, and do good.

That was an absolutely brilliant thread. Entertaining from beginning to end. I congratulate you.



You do know what a Liberal is, don't you?

Sure, a Liberal is an agent of Satan... I mean Stalin.

I tried to use Google to translate that, and it returned that "and but is thanked the sky." Then I realized you posted the translation. Do you have something against Germans?

This proves two things (which everybody already knows):

1. Google translations create nothing but nonsense.
2. You are not the brightest spark.

Sure, a Liberal is an agent of Satan... I mean Stalin.
Isn't a Liberal one of those slimy asshats from the Chretien government that didn't get busted for the Ad-Scandal?

I still don't get it. What do you mean?

More evidence of 2.

Isn't a Liberal one of those slimy asshats from the Chretien government that didn't get busted for the Ad-Scandal?

And steal Albertan oil.:D

More evidence of 2.

Instead of flaming, can you post what you mean? Are you admitting to being prejudiced against Germans?

For crying out loud ...you're deliberately misunderstanding.

Yes, the US is capitalist, yes Russia is communist (in an increasingly loose definition of the term). HOWEVER, the ideals of communism were vastly altered to suit Stalin, a system where the Politburo, and the party ran/run the country. "Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others." This is what is meant when people distinguish between Communism and Stalinism.

My mate used to be a staunch Communist, but made it extremely clear that he thought very little of what Communism is now often percieved as. You need to examine the definitions of each social system.

And no, I perhaps misrepresented my thoughts in my previous post. I am interested in alternative viewpoints, up to a point. But when you move into trying to justify the actions of McCartyism, then I see no value. The hunt achieved little save to freak out an entire country. (And, by extension to the greater picture, almost helped turn the world into a smoking crater.)

Instead of flaming, can you post what you mean? Are you admitting to being prejudiced against Germans?

I'll type it very slowly, so you can follow:

Ich bin Deutscher.

Now put it into Google Translator. It should only just manage it.

I'll type it very slowly, so you can follow:

Ich bin Deutscher.

Now put it into Google Translator. It should only just manage it.

Without a Google Translator, I can easily guess that you just wrote, "I am German."

Without a Google Translator, I can easily guess that you just wrote, "I am German."

Yeah, but you're not MeansToAnEnd. :)

Without a Google Translator, I can easily guess that you just wrote, "I am German."

I thought he wrote "I am a jelly donut"... ?

Und Ich bin ein Berliner!

Yes, I AM a doughnut! :D

Yeah, but you're not MeansToAnEnd. :)

I also don't speak any German, but, I have listened to a lot of Kraftwerk.

Plus, I wanted to show how easy it is to look and figure it out without a crappy online translator. ^_^

And I'm a croissant. Stuffed with bacon and cheese. Damn, I'm tasty.

German, being the root of English is fairly easy to understand when written, there are some oddities but a simple translator can get you the jist of it.

And I'm a croissant. Stuffed with bacon and cheese. Damn, I'm tasty.
I am a weasel.

German, being the root of English is fairly easy to understand when written, there are some oddities but a simple translator can get you the jist of it.

I was under the impression that Latin was the root of English.

German, being the root of English is fairly easy to understand when written, there are some oddities but a simple translator can get you the jist of it.

Couldn't disagree more. Makes no sense to me at all - now French, that makes sense, even if objects and subjects are reversed and everything has a gender, including dinnerforks.

I also don't speak any German, but, I have listened to a lot of Kraftwerk.

Plus, I wanted to show how easy it is to look and figure it out without a crappy online translator. ^_^

MTAE seems to still be working on it.

English is a wonderfully diverse language, we've got words from EVERYWHERE. Latin, spanish, german, french ...if we see a word we like, then we nab it :)

Then again, we've been invaded by Vikings, Angles, Saxons, and finally the French, so we've got good reason to have a nice mixture :)

MTAE seems to still be working on it.

Are you ashamed to be German or something? It's not your fault that the Germans committed some horrible atrocities decades ago, you know.

I was under the impression that Latin was the root of English.
English is a mutt language. It's the alley cat of languages.

We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. -- Booker T. Washington

English is a mutt language. It's the alley cat of languages.

We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. -- Booker T. Washington

Are we talking about American English or British English? The two are significantly dissimilar.

Are you ashamed to be German or something? It's not your fault that the Germans committed some horrible atrocities decades ago, you know.

And evidently it's not your fault that Joe McCarthy was a terminal asshat decades ago, either. Though it is your fault you're making him into a terminal asshat for today. I don't see Dorstfeld reviving Hitler...

Are we talking about American English or British English? The two are significantly dissimilar.
~_^ I could be talking about Canadian English. That's why English is the alley cat of languages. It's not as unified as others, or as pure as others.

Yep, the language that is named after a single bloody small country is now the international language of business.

It's times like this that being English rocks :D

Three words I typed, and this turned away from Senator McCarthy and into a language thread.

I've got powers I'm not even aware of. :D

I don't see Dorstfeld reviving Hitler...

*waits for dozens of posters ready to scream Godwin's name*

Three words I typed, and this turned away from Senator McCarthy and into a language thread.

I've got powers I'm not even aware of. :D

Well, McCarthy was a dick. I'd sooner see us discuss language than waste further keystrokes on that hateful, thankfully dead old creep.

And I'm a croissant. Stuffed with bacon and cheese. Damn, I'm tasty.

Can I eat you?

Three words I typed, and this turned away from Senator McCarthy and into a language thread.

I've got powers I'm not even aware of. :D

Three is the magic number.

Can I eat you?

Well if he's a French croissant then no. Those things aren't edible, they're only good for beating people over the head.

*waits for dozens of posters ready to scream Godwin's name*

Godwin Godwin Godwin
Godwin Godwin Godwin
Godwin Godwin Godwin
Godwin Godwin Godwin


Sorted.

Why not issue a salute to Adolph Hitler and the Khmer Rouge while you're at it? This is silly, and ignores the very real harm Senator McCarthy brought to the lives of countless loyal Americans. To suggest only liberals decry McCarthy's legacy is the best compliment you could have given us (smile.)

Troll on, MTAE, troll on. :D

Well if he's a French croissant then no. Those things aren't edible, they're only good for beating people over the head.

You mean "baguettes", those yard-long thin breads.

Croissants are those that return to you when thrown right.

You mean "baguettes", those yard-long thin breads.

Croissants are those that return to you when thrown right.

Mmm, I'm hungry now.

You mean "baguettes", those yard-long thin breads.

Croissants are those that return to you when thrown right.

Ah yes, the baguettes.

Croissants are the weapons of the aboriginals.

Ah yes, the baguettes.

Croissants are the weapons of the aboriginals.

Tasty, though. I'd sooner be set upon by a pack of aboriginals armed with croissants than say - a pack of aboriginals armed with razor-sharp mangoes.

Nah, for true warrior food you need Dward Bread (Terry Pratchett can explain all...)

My girlfriend told me about a time when she and her friend were making soda bread, and then re-heated it in the microwave for too long. All the moisture evaporated, and they were left with a loaf that they spent some time throwing at the outside wall without it breaking.

Mmmm, now I want soda bread ...

Tasty, though. I'd sooner be set upon by a pack of aboriginals armed with croissants than say - a pack of aboriginals armed with razor-sharp mangoes.

Jeez, guys, get a thread.

Jeez, guys, get a thread.

:p

Jeez, guys, get a thread.

We have one! Have a baguette. =)

Jeez, guys, get a thread.

Pas de croissants pour vous!

:p

Crap!

*smacks MTAE's hand away* No baguette for you!

Crap!

*smacks MTAE's hand away* No baguette for you!

Well, I'd throw a croissant at him, but they keep coming back.

Crap!

*smacks MTAE's hand away* No baguette for you!

It is to laugh. Much like the House Committee on Un-American Activities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Committee_on_Un-American_Activities).

I see. Perhaps the US is not capitalist, either?

Nope. We have controls and safety nets in our system. Nice try, though. We like to call ourselves Capitalist, but it doesn't make it so.

I would say that the Soviet Union was more closely related to Fascism than Communism, as there were many differences between the two systems. They were "communist" in name only, not in practice.

Actually, the US was under a grave threat at the time -- the specter of communism hung over the US like the sword of Damocles. There was the very real danger that Soviet spies would infiltrate our government functions and sabotage our military and our capacity to defend ourselves against external foes. Also, Joe was very diligent in acquiring information on supposed communist activities and never named people at random. He did not interrogate anybody except those who had strong links tying them to communism and were therefore perilous to the well-being of our country.

"Strong links". Heh. Obviously, all of those thousands of random people whom he made lists of overnight had "strong links" to Communism. He called everyone whom he didn't like a Communist, and if you call 5000 people communist, there is a decent chance that some may be at least one. The only reason why he did this was to make a name for himself.




Yes, I'm sure that nuclear weapons were completely irrelevant -- they certainly couldn't kill a large amount of people in a very short space of time. Let's be honest: there were very clear and present dangers throughout the Cold War, and these were only compounded by communist infiltration in the US system of government.

Eh, how does one suppose the USSR get to the US, by chance? At this time, there were only bombs being used, as the technology for intercontinental ballistics was yet to be devised. Second, it would not be in the best interest with the USSR to even try to touch America, as we would be in full force(Along with ever western European country), and we likely would have shared much of our nuclear technology with our allies. The USSR would never have been able to fight a full-fledged war against us, at least not at this point. And later on, it never would have happened, except under the most dire of circumstances, due to MAD(if you don't know what this is, you really cannot discuss this any further).

And really, it was a two way system. We infiltrated their system with the exact same intent that they had infiltrating ours. The Cold War was a very trying time, I do know this. But during McCarthy's time, it was not at all as dangerous a time as later on(Cuban Missile Crisis was possible one of the worst, as far as how it could have easily escalated).


Unfortunately, in a time of war, extreme measures must be taken. For example, FDR imprisoned all the Japenese citizens living inside the US, although very few of them were actively involved in the war effort against the US. Although I despise FDR, that was one of the only patriotic moves which he made.
Now you see, here is where we disagree. I agree with much of what FDR did, but the concentration camps(THere were also German and Italian camps as well during this time) were absolutely deplorable, and I find it as a horrible black mark on the nation. Even in times of war, liberties should never be broken, and I find it far more Patriotic to uphold the Constitution than to do something that is for the "security" of the nation that directly goes against it. If we do not stand for what our country was built upon, even in the most dire of times, then WE are destroying our country. No external enemy can destroy us right now, only we can.

Jeez, guys, get a thread.

Nothing says buttery baked products like McCarthyism.

Senator Joseph McCarthy's name has been dragged through the mud by the liberal media for half a century now. They have been feeding on his corpse like a group of depraved dogs, tearing him apart, ridiculing his ideas, casting him in a very negative light as a congressman run amok with power and vindictive evil, and disgracing his standing. They were not content with slandering him while alive, and are dedicated to posthumously desecrating his image. Well, I, personally, resent what is happening and I want to take the time to honor a great American and a devoted patriot...

We've been over this MTaE. You can't satirize the Republicans by simply expresing their position. You have to exaggerate it or defend it in such a way that it's idiocy is more apparent than when they express it themselves. I realize that is a very narrow window to aim for (so rediculous that the humor becomes apparent yet not so rediculous as to be childish hyperbole nor to be so mediated as to be less extreme than the opinion expressed by actual Republicans).

Anne Coulter has a book to this effect. I'm not sure if it's out yet, but she says exactly what you're saying here. Don't be discouraged though. Humor is a finely tuned art that requires a deep mine and broad field of knowledge. The more examples you have to draw from, the closer you'll get to the mark.

Nah, for true warrior food you need Dward Bread (Terry Pratchett can explain all...)
I call dibs on the Scone of Stone!

By the way, MTAE was recently spotted in the vicinity of someone who looked sort of like a communist. And that person was holding a baguette. I can't prove a thing, but anyway,

Bring in the cavalry.

Anne Coulter has a book to this effect. I'm not sure if it's out yet, but she says exactly what you're saying here. Don't be discouraged though. Humor is a finely tuned art that requires a deep mine and broad field of knowledge. The more examples you have to draw from, the closer you'll get to the mark.
You know, the fact that MTAE says that Ann Coulter turned him to whatever the hell he is explains an awful lot about his behavor on NSG... and makes me wish for a pie.