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As you know, we are engaged in a deadly struggle against Islamo-fascism. Unfortunately, they are winning. Each year, the Christian population increases by 2.3% (which, incidentally, is the rate of world-wide population expansion), yet the Islamic population balloons by 2.7%. At this rate, the Muslims will overtake the Christians in numbers by 2025. Already signs of this growing Muslim population are evident in Europe, where freedoms are being restricted so as not to offend intolerant Muslims. Soon, when Muslims are in the majority, Europe may very well be turned into an Islamic state. Well, we must not let the same thing happen in America. We must not allow the terrorists and extremist Muslims who hate our freedoms to win, like Europe is doing. We have tried to achieve this goal through war, but we failed to a certain extent -- the inexorable spread of Islam was not halted sufficiently. Many Muslims died, but not enough. We must seek other means of stopping this Islamic invasion of the world through their extremely high birth rates. We must formulate a defense against this clever ploy of inundating our population with Muslim immigrants. One method of doing this is to encourage non-Muslims to breed. We must heap tax incentives at the feet of those non-Muslims who wish to copulate. Also, we must criminalize abortion. Anybody who is willing to get an abortion is letting the terrorists win -- there is no way around that fact. If you kill an innocent baby, you are doing the terrorists' work for them. To win this war on terror, a new strategy is required -- we must out-breed the enemy. They have a head start on us, but I'm confident that we'll be able to come back from behind to win. If not, we can always nuke them, but that's too extreme a solution for the time being and I would prefer a peaceful resolution to this problem. If you don't want an all-out war, you better be prepared to breed rapidly; it's the only other solution.

lol

*sighs*

Remember kids:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6646/dontfeedmodsix7.gif

I didn't even read the whole thing, but read most of it. And I can say to you:

You need to learn about Muslims and listen in 8th grade History.

WTF? A low birth rate and use of contraception is the hallmark of an advanced culture. We create tools that help us kill our enemies in large numbers while we stay relatively safe. We don't need huge populations and in fact huge populations are a burden on the economy that pays for our weapons.

Also keep in mind that not all Muslims seek to impose their religion on others. Some do, and like their Christian counterparts they should be deported away from civilized lands, but many don't.

WTF? A low birth rate and use of contraception is the hallmark of an advanced culture. We create tools that help us kill our enemies in large numbers while we stay relatively safe. We don't need huge populations and in fact huge populations are a burden on the economy that pays for our weapons.
YOU'RE ONE OF THeM!!!1!

YOU'RE ONE OF THeM!!!1!

KILL HIM! He's a Muslim who will blow up our buildings!

I better stop. I'm sounding like MTAE.

Seriously, the only thing I can say is this: ROFL!

OMG. That was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Seriously, the only thing I can say is this: ROFL!

OMG. That was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

If you laugh, the terrorists win.

WTF? A low birth rate and use of contraception is the hallmark of an advanced culture. We create tools that help us kill our enemies in large numbers while we stay relatively safe. We don't need huge populations and in fact huge populations are a burden on the economy that pays for our weapons.

Also keep in mind that not all Muslims seek to impose their religion on others. Some do, and like their Christian counterparts they should be deported away from civilized lands, but many don't.
And with our extra funds, we can "adopt" children from these nations and build our armies that way. I mean, there us a surplus of orphans in the places the terrorists hail from... ;)

We create tools that help us kill our enemies in large numbers while we stay relatively safe.

Yes, that is true, but I am not an advocate of war. I'm not a hippy, but I don't believe that we should employ war and nuclear weapons as a means of solving all our problems. I'd prefer to explore more peaceful solutions first -- in this case, it would be better to attempt preserving life rather than taking it as a way of winning the war against Islamic extremism. Although, as I noted, if worst came to worst, we could always obliterate the entire Middle East quite easily.

If you laugh, the terrorists win.
OTOH if you cry, the terrorists win. And if you do nothing, you're just ignoring the problem.

We are bound to lose... aiee...

The problem isn't Muslims, it's Muslims extremists.

That's something that Islamic communities in the West need to acknowledge, deal with, and move on. Although, you do have one point-putting an end to Muslim immigration. The paradox of immigration is that in order to have successful immigrants who integrate, you eventually need to put a halt to immigration.

And with our extra funds, we can "adopt" children from these nations and build our armies that way. I mean, there us a surplus of orphans in the places the terrorists hail from... ;)

Ok, but we need to do rigorous physical and mental testing to make sure we don't adopt defective ones.

Although, as I noted, if worst came to worst, we could always obliterate the entire Middle East quite easily.
You are so very, very stupid and naïve...

Have no fear! Tom Clancy is here! He can help us by predicting the future.

Hey MTAE, YOU support terrorism. In another thread, you specifically stated how you think Muslims should get "beatings" if the local government, i.e their school, banned something to avoid offense.

Violence - check.
Politically motived - check.
You supporting - check.

So really, any time you talk about "the terrorists" now, you're only talking about yourself. Hypocrites go to Hell, you know.

Have a nice day. :)

Yes, that is true, but I am not an advocate of war. I'm not a hippy, but I don't believe that we should employ war and nuclear weapons as a means of solving all our problems. I'd prefer to explore more peaceful solutions first -- in this case, it would be better to attempt preserving life rather than taking it as a way of winning the war against Islamic extremism. Although, as I noted, if worst came to worst, we could always obliterate the entire Middle East quite easily.

Peace is for gay little girls who still believe in the tooth fairy.

Ok, but we need to do rigorous physical and mental testing to make sure we don't adopt defective ones.
Nah, we can just condition them to have sex with older people than themselves at the age of ten, to keep morale up in this everlasting war.

Ok, but we need to do rigorous physical and mental testing to make sure we don't adopt defective ones.
Fair deal.

Don't forget to include an education to make them gay abortion loving liberals ;)

Peace is for gay little girls who still believe in the tooth fairy.

Little girls are gay?? When the hell did this happen! No wonder we're screwed as a race!

Although, as I noted, if worst came to worst, we could always obliterate the entire Middle East quite easily.

Please come back down to Earth. You launch a nuke to, oh say, Iran, and tha'll cause a nuclear war.

You'll have the U.S VS. Russia, China, and all the Middle eastern countries (since obviously they wouldn't support the U.S launching a nuke at anything).

So, the U.S would get slaughtered if you were President.

Nah, we can just condition them to have sex with older people than themselves at the age of ten, to keep morale up in this everlasting war.

Absolutely not! They can't waste time on sex when that time could be better spent learning how to fight and getting shot up with performance enhancing steroids.

Aw, good old American ignorance.

The problem isn't Muslims, it's Muslims extremists.

Unfortunately, as the Muslim population grows, so does that of Muslim extremists. Also, the "extremists" account for a large portion of total Muslims. Did you see how hundreds of thousands of "extremist" Muslims reacted to a single offensive cartoon? That's scary.

Fair deal.

Don't forget to include an education to make them gay abortion loving liberals ;)

That's the plan.

Hey MTAE, YOU support terrorism. In another thread, you specifically stated how you think Muslims should get "beatings" if the local government, i.e their school, banned something to avoid offense.

Violence - check.
Politically motived - check.
You supporting - check.

So really, any time you talk about "the terrorists" now, you're only talking about yourself. Hypocrites go to Hell, you know.

Have a nice day. :)

Common Greater Trostia, you can't reason with MTAE. It's best to just keep him in his little corner 'till he calms down again.

Peace is for gay little girls who still believe in the tooth fairy.

Yes, I'm probably far too liberal in that respect. Nonetheless, we cannot go on a killing rampage before at least attempting some diplomatic solutions -- much of our oil comes from the Middle East and that supply will dwindle if we were to nuke it.

That's the plan.

Hmn... can we also make them card-carrying Democrats with hidden communist leanings? And make sure most are women who are suffering from PMS and tell them that the terrorists have horded all the chocolate. :p

Unfortunately, as the Muslim population grows, so does that of Muslim extremists. Also, the "extremists" account for a large portion of total Muslims. Did you see how hundreds of thousands of "extremist" Muslims reacted to a single offensive cartoon? That's scary.

Did you also compare those numbers with the total Muslims in the world? You'll get less than .1% if you did.

Unfortunately, as the Muslim population grows, so does that of Muslim extremists. Also, the "extremists" account for a large portion of total Muslims. Did you see how hundreds of thousands of "extremist" Muslims reacted to a single offensive cartoon? That's scary.
Not as scary as your woeful ignorance, coming from a country with a reasonable, if not great, education system.

ROFL
Until I saw the author of this thread I thought it was meant as a joke.

Unfortunately, as the Muslim population grows, so does that of Muslim extremists. Also, the "extremists" account for a large portion of total Muslims. Did you see how hundreds of thousands of "extremist" Muslims reacted to a single offensive cartoon? That's scary.
They react because they are told what to say and think. This can be easily fixed with an secular education that shows them the big picture. That shows life beyond religion.

Yes, I'm probably far too liberal in that respect. Nonetheless, we cannot go on a killing rampage before at least attempting some diplomatic solutions -- much of our oil comes from the Middle East and that supply will dwindle if we were to nuke it.

That's why we need to start vaccinating our population again and start producing weaponized smallpox. It worked with the Native Americans.

ROFL
Until I saw the author of this thread I thought it was meant as a joke.

What do you mean? MTAE IS a joke!

ROFL
Until I saw the author of this thread I thought it was meant as a joke.
Aye, I thought it was one of LG's posts or something.

I am willing to do my part. I will be glad to impregnate any females between the ages of 18 and 55 who want to be impregnated. The impregnation must be done the "old fashion way." :D

My wife may not like it, but I’m sure we can convince her it is for the “greater good.”

That's why we need to start vaccinating our population again and start producing weaponized smallpox. It worked with the Native Americans.

Don't forgot about hiding under our desks! :D

That's why we need to start vaccinating our population again and start producing weaponized smallpox. It worked with the Native Americans.
And the Carib Indians.

abortion is a personel decison, not a legal debate. if you wish to stop terror, kill the muslims who pose a threat. although, we must understand, not every muslim wishes to kill us. unless you have been in a position where abortion is an option, you realy have no opinion, for you cannot understand that truama of a pregnant woman.

Hmn... can we also make them card-carrying Democrats with hidden communist leanings? And make sure most are women who are suffering from PMS and tell them that the terrorists have horded all the chocolate. :p

Yes! Who better to fight the patriarchal Muslims than an army of castrating, angry, feminazi bitches?

bit paranoid, but at least abortion is banned in my country, so hopefully we'll the irish being more fruitful.

I am willing to do my part. I will be glad to impregnate any females between the ages of 18 and 55 who want to be impregnated. The impregnation must be done the "old fashion way." :D

My wife may not like it, but I’m sure we can convince her it is for the “greater good.”

This should apply to those without a source of naturally occurring sperm. ;) Those of us with will just have to make do.

Did you also compare those numbers with the total Muslims in the world? You'll get less than .1% if you did.

That's irrelevant. Many of them wish to erode our civil liberties in other ways but do not necessarily protest against a cartoon. They are more subtle in their attacks than those who actually protest. For example, national flags have been banned in European schools as a result of Muslim protests against them. Also, the curriculum in some schools has been changed because several intolerant Muslims didn't like it.

bit paranoid, but at least abortion is banned in my country, so hopefully we'll the irish being more fruitful.
But there is nothing to stop them from going to England to get it done.

bit paranoid, but at least abortion is banned in my country, so hopefully we'll the irish being more fruitful.
I hope the Irish Government finances a film about this very topic, and the final victors in the breeding tables will be the mighty Irish over the mildly less mighty Evil Empire of Islam.

Yes! Who better to fight the patriarchal Muslims than an army of castrating, angry, feminazi bitches?
Just tell them that these men embrace the worst qualities of the average North American asshole male. :D

But there is nothing to stop them from going to England to get it done.

i have already proposed a plan to combat this. not repeating myself over and over.

i have already proposed a plan to combat this. not repeating myself over and over.
An excellent plan indeed :)

Unfortunately, as the Muslim population grows, so does that of Muslim extremists. Also, the "extremists" account for a large portion of total Muslims. Did you see how hundreds of thousands of "extremist" Muslims reacted to a single offensive cartoon? That's scary.

Hundreds of thousands? Admittedly, I don't know the exact number who "protested"-rioted and looted-but I think that's an exaggerated figure.

On the contrary, I think that the extremist population grows not as a direct result of Muslim immigration, but because of a failure to integrate into their societies.

I hope the Irish Government finances a film about this very topic, and the final victors in the breeding tables will be the mighty Irish over the mildly less mighty Evil Empire of Islam.

the empire of islam?
english person calling anyone elses culture evil?

That's irrelevant.

Why, because it contradicts your argument?

Many of them wish to erode our civil liberties in other ways but do not necessarily protest against a cartoon. They are more subtle in their attacks than those who actually protest. For example, national flags have been banned in European schools as a result of Muslim protests against them.
So, what if an Atheist wants to change the pledge to the flag in America? Does that mean that all Atheists need to die? And yes, an Atheist IS offended by the pledge to the flag in America and is having a lawsuit about it (Michael Newdow).

Also, the curriculum in some schools has been changed because several intolerant Muslims didn't like it.

Several out of 1/4 of the world's total population? Wow, these Muslims are threatening!

That's why we need to start vaccinating our population again and start producing weaponized smallpox. It worked with the Native Americans.

Maybe we could just send thousands of nude women to Muslim countries. They'd probably all die of apoplexy. ;)

Common Greater Trostia, you can't reason with MTAE. It's best to just keep him in his little corner 'till he calms down again.

I know that, I'm actually above talking to him now. I'm mostly talking *about* him, so other posters don't mistakenly think this guy actually believes his own self-contradicting trollish bullshit and start debating him.

I mean if I'm arguing with someone, and they claim to oppose terrorism but openly support it, I'd like to know that so I don't waste my time.

the empire of islam?
english person calling anyone elses culture evil?
*sighs*

It was a joke, and to be honest there's no single "English" culture. But I'd rather not ruin this by arguing with people rather than taking the piss out of this woefully ill-thought-out thread.

On the contrary, I think that the extremist population grows not as a direct result of Muslim immigration, but because of a failure to integrate into their societies.

Exactly, Muslim immigrants refuse to be integrated into a normal European societies. Instead, they bring their own unyielding values to Europe and petition to the government to change the laws so that they will feel more respected. They are unwilling to tolerate opposition to their religion and become violent when someone insults Islam, no matter how mildly. All I'm saying is that x% of Muslims are extremists and thus the number of extremists grows in direct proportion to the number of Muslims in total.

the empire of islam?

Believe it or not, that's in the school curriculum...

Absolutely not! They can't waste time on sex when that time could be better spent learning how to fight and getting shot up with performance enhancing steroids.

there is all ways time for sex and killing

They are unwilling to tolerate opposition to their religion and become violent...

Sounds like a certain troll I know.

Exactly, Muslim immigrants refuse to be integrated into a normal European societies. Instead, they bring their own unyielding values to Europe and petition to the government to change the laws so that they will feel more respected. They are unwilling to tolerate opposition to their religion and become violent when someone insults Islam, no matter how mildly. All I'm saying is that x% of Muslims are extremists and thus the number of extremists grows in direct proportion to the number of Muslims in total.
Large sweeping statements here. Not all of them do. A proportion of them do. I hope you actually realise that.

Maybe we could just send thousands of nude women to Muslim countries. They'd probably all die of apoplexy. ;)

How would thousands of nude, apoplexic female corpses help the situation? Do you think the Muslims would prefer them to their live women thus lowering the birth rate?

Large sweeping statements here. Not all of them do. A proportion of them do. I hope you actually realise that.

I wouldn't count on it.

Exactly, Muslim immigrants refuse to be integrated into a normal European societies. Instead, they bring their own unyielding values to Europe and petition to the government to change the laws so that they will feel more respected. They are unwilling to tolerate opposition to their religion and become violent when someone insults Islam, no matter how mildly. All I'm saying is that x% of Muslims are extremists and thus the number of extremists grows in direct proportion to the number of Muslims in total.

Once again, and that is how many Muslims in Europe?

You only have .1% of extremists In ANY religion. And extremists are frowned upon by the rest of the religious society.

Exactly, Muslim immigrants refuse to be integrated into a normal European societies. Instead, they bring their own unyielding values to Europe and petition to the government to change the laws so that they will feel more respected. They are unwilling to tolerate opposition to their religion and become violent when someone insults Islam, no matter how mildly. All I'm saying is that x% of Muslims are extremists and thus the number of extremists grows in direct proportion to the number of Muslims in total.

They do only because the imans insist on keeping the population ignorant.

There are plenty of Muslims who are educated and they are the moderates. They just don't get a voice because they aren't as sensationalist as the extremists are and the media prefers the shock and awe factor than the truth of reality factor.

Further, the problem of extremism can be solved with education. Education allows religious people to be rational; that is if it is an education in a secular system that teaches secular values that says that all religions are equal, no one religion is better than another.

So, what if an Atheist wants to change the pledge to the flag in America? Does that mean that all Atheists need to die? And yes, an Atheist IS offended by the pledge to the flag in America and is having a lawsuit about it (Michael Newdow).

No, because atheists are a scoffed-at minority and nobody really takes people like Newdow seriously. If instead of wishing to remove the word "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance they wished to remove all American flags from school grounds, then we'd have a problem. Right now, it's fine.

Several out of 1/4 of the world's total population? Wow, these Muslims are threatening!

The point is that these Islamo-fascist are slowly sucking away the freedoms of Europeans under the guise of multiculturalism. The cause does not matter so much as the effect -- because of intolerant Muslims, Europe is slowly caving into to their demands and become more and more of an Islamic state.

I wouldn't count on it.
You are in the US. I am actually in Europe at this very point.

How would thousands of nude, apoplexic female corpses help the situation? Do you think the Muslims would prefer them to their live women thus lowering the birth rate?

NO they would not!

I have come to understand that when a Muslim extremist says "your Western women are ugly", he's correct! Look at 'em Lebanese!

Exactly, Muslim immigrants refuse to be integrated into a normal European societies. Instead, they bring their own unyielding values to Europe and petition to the government to change the laws so that they will feel more respected. They are unwilling to tolerate opposition to their religion and become violent when someone insults Islam, no matter how mildly. All I'm saying is that x% of Muslims are extremists and thus the number of extremists grows in direct proportion to the number of Muslims in total.

You do have a point there. Muslim immigration needs to be stopped so these people can get some time to fully integrate into their societies.

I could draw a similiar comparison to Italian and Eastern European immigration during the early 1900s. Italians and Russian Jews, to name but two groups, were living in secluded ethnic ghettos, and they came from despotic countries, so they were like aliens in America. When immigration from these parts was severely reduced in 1924, they started to integrate much better, and now they are as American as any other group.

Large sweeping statements here. Not all of them do. A proportion of them do. I hope you actually realise that.

I said numerous times that only a certain percentage of them are extremists, but it is a large and threatening percentage. Again, this portion of the immigrants is the one which is slashing European civil liberties.

No, because atheists are a scoffed-at minority and nobody really takes people like Newdow seriously. If instead of wishing to remove the word "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance they wished to remove all American flags from school grounds, then we'd have a problem. Right now, it's fine.
And why would it be a problem?
The point is that these Islamo-fascist are slowly sucking away the freedoms of Europeans under the guise of multiculturalism. The cause does not matter so much as the effect -- because of intolerant Muslims, Europe is slowly caving into to their demands and become more and more of an Islamic state.
Did you mum read the Daily Mail into your ear as you slept as a young boy or something?

Only explanation as far as I can see.

I said numerous times that only a certain percentage of them are extremists, but it is a large and threatening percentage. Again, this portion of the immigrants is the one which is slashing European civil liberties.
*sighs*

And why would it be a problem?

Why would removing the American flag from US school grounds be a problem? Are you kidding me? If you are, it's pretty funny. If not, it's actually quite sad.

Did you mum read the Daily Mail into your ear as you slept as a young boy or something?

What's wrong with that particular source of news?

How would thousands of nude, apoplexic female corpses help the situation? Do you think the Muslims would prefer them to their live women thus lowering the birth rate?

I meant seeing the nude females would send the Muslims into apoplexic fits. Probably be faster then smallpox blankets. ;)

No, because atheists are a scoffed-at minority and nobody really takes people like Newdow seriously. If instead of wishing to remove the word "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance they wished to remove all American flags from school grounds, then we'd have a problem. Right now, it's fine.

But, the Atheist population is slowly growing in 5 major continents. Tht means we DO have to worry about them, because that increases the chances of there being an Atheist extremist.



The point is that these Islamo-fascist are slowly sucking away the freedoms of Europeans under the guise of multiculturalism. The cause does not matter so much as the effect -- because of intolerant Muslims, Europe is slowly caving into to their demands and become more and more of an Islamic state.

If they were, then all nations in Europe would be the "Islamic Republic of [insert name of country]" by now.

NO they would not!

I have come to understand that when a Muslim extremist says "your Western women are ugly", he's correct! Look at 'em Lebanese!

Yeah right. This is a picture from a Lebanese "hot chicks with guns" callendar.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2301/1zf2.jpg

Exactly, Muslim immigrants refuse to be integrated into a normal European societies. Instead, they bring their own unyielding values to Europe and petition to the government to change the laws so that they will feel more respected. They are unwilling to tolerate opposition to their religion and become violent when someone insults Islam, no matter how mildly. All I'm saying is that x% of Muslims are extremists and thus the number of extremists grows in direct proportion to the number of Muslims in total.

islamic vaules are not that much different. they mostly promote love and family vaules. but of course you get extreme ones, but you get that in every religion.

Why would removing the American flag from US school grounds be a problem? Are you kidding me? If you are, it's pretty funny. If not, it's actually quite sad.
Nope, I mean it. What is the actual problem with it?
What's wrong with that particular source of news?
It's shit.

islamic vaules are not that much different. they mostly promote love and family vaules. but of course you get extreme ones, but you get that in every religion.

You should know that Islam makes no distinction between god and state. Christianity, at least, has the concept of "render unto Caesar what is Ceasar's, and render unto God what is God's."

You do have a point there. Muslim immigration needs to be stopped so these people can get some time to fully integrate into their societies.


every muslim i have met in my country, were studying usefull subjects that need more of here. like dentistry. so regard as a usefull 'import'.

Nope, I mean it. What is the actual problem with it?

If someone has a problem with the US flag, they should get the fuck out of my country. I think it should be mandatory to put US flags on all public institutions. To take them away would be a horrible slap in the face -- it would show that extremists are winning the war against our patriotic values.

It's shit.

Nope, I mean it. What is the actual problem with it?

every muslim i have met in my country, were studying usefull subjects that need more of here. like dentistry. so regard as a usefull 'import'.

What country do you live in?

Yeah right. This is a picture from a Lebanese "hot chicks with guns" callendar.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2301/1zf2.jpg

LOL, not saying all Lebanese woman are :D

Oh ya, and the bottom says "Fin Hizballah ham al(non english sound)aboor". Looks like an add for Hizbollah. But, Hizbollah and their women are ugly, so that argument's null.

If someone has a problem with the US flag, they should get the fuck out of my country. I think it should be mandatory to put US flags on all public institutions. To take them away would be a horrible slap in the face -- it would show that extremists are winning the war against our patriotic values.
It's no more 'your' country than theirs.

Patriotic values are blind faith. The same that drives terrorists.
Nope, I mean it. What is the actual problem with it?
It's shit. And sensationalist shit at that.

If someone has a problem with the US flag, they should get the fuck out of my country. I think it should be mandatory to put US flags on all public institutions. To take them away would be a horrible slap in the face -- it would show that extremists are winning the war against our patriotic values.

Hardly something a freedom lover should say. Besides, having mandatory flags is getting very close to going beyond patriotic and becoming nationalistic. That is someting we do NOT need.

You know, I feel like I'm existing in a haze right now, but I could have just sworn that that title of this thread is "Abortion Helps the Terrorists", but I know that can't be, because there's no way in hell that that has any logical link, whatsoever, and there's no way any NSer would ever make a logical fallacy.*

*winks

If you want to read a book about this grave threat to freedom, there are some excellent ones.

http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-Slept-Radical-Destroying/dp/0385514727

Having recently published an indictment of Christian fundamentalist intolerance in the U.S. (Stealing Jesus), New York native Bawer relocated to Europe with his Norwegian partner in 1998 and found an even more dangerous strain of religious and cultural bigotry ensnaring Western Europe. A swarming menace called radical Islam, he writes, rings Europe's cities in smoldering Muslim ghettos, provoking everything from so-called honor killings and political assassinations to the Madrid subway bombings and the massacre of school children in Beslan. Worse, the Taliban-like theocracy Bawer sees looming inside backward immigrant populations resistant to integration flourishes under the protective wing of Western Europe's America-bashing, multicultural, liberal establishment. The latter correspond to the appeasers of Nazi Germany, in Bawer's view, since he believes that radical Islamism is every bit the threat to Western civilization that Nazism was. He scoffs at talk of "understanding" or "dialogue," indeed, at any but the most muscular response hitching Europe ever tighter to the U.S. war on terror. His clash-of-civilizations outlook means real issues often get washed away by sweeping statements designed to tar Europe's Muslims with one irredeemably hostile, welfare-sponging brush, while trading in well-worn stereotypes about virtuous American "realists" and corrupt European "idealists." (Mar.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

MTAE - I'm dissapointed. This topic falls well below your usual standard.

If you want to read a book about this grave threat to freedom, there are some excellent ones.

http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-Slept-Radical-Destroying/dp/0385514727

I don't see how this irrelivant short sighted simplistic theories have any link to abortion.

What country do you live in?

ireland. my location says "popeland", cause somebody called it that. probably as an insult, but i thought it was funny.

If someone has a problem with the US flag, they should get the fuck out of my country. I think it should be mandatory to put US flags on all public institutions. To take them away would be a horrible slap in the face -- it would show that extremists are winning the war against our patriotic values.

From a "Muslim's" (according to you) point of view:
"If someone has a problem with Muslims, they should get the f*** out of my country. I think it should be mandatory to be a Muslim everywhere. To not do that would be a horrible slap in the face -- it would show that the Americans are winning the war against Islam".

Oh no, looks like we have an extremist here!



Nope, I mean it. What is the actual problem with it?
That it's your news source.

It's no more 'your' country than theirs.

Patriotic values are blind faith. The same that drives terrorists.

<snip>.

Patriotism doesn't have to be blind faith. Ever hear the saying "dissent is the highest form of patriotism"? True patriotism sees the flaws of the nation clearly and works to fix them.

Besides, having mandatory flags is getting very close to going beyond patriotic and becoming nationalistic. That is someting we do NOT need.

I'm saying that public institutions which are subsidized by the US government should prominently display the flag so they don't forget who's signing their paychecks.

I don't see how this irrelivant short sighted simplistic theories have any link to abortion.

I'm proving my thesis one step at a time. The first object that needs to be demonstrated is how Muslims are holding Europe hostage, and that book does an excellent job of that.

MTAE - I'm dissapointed. This topic falls well below your usual standard.

You mean he has a standard? :O

Well, we've been given the Muslim increase rate and the Christian one, but I'm an Atheist, so whoever wins, I lose. Yay! Anyway, adopting super-moralistic laws to increase the population would just make the West more like the Middle East, which doesn't sound like much of a victory to me.

I'm proving my thesis one step at a time. The first object that needs to be demonstrated is how Muslims are holding Europe hostage, and that book does an excellent job of that.

What is your next step then?

I'm saying that public institutions which are subsidized by Allah should prominently display their faith so they don't forget who's allowing them to live.

Hmm... more extremist attitudes...

I'm proving my thesis one step at a time. The first object that needs to be demonstrated is how Muslims are holding Europe hostage, and that book does an excellent job of that.
No, it sounds like a biased hate-rag to me.

Here's a link to some of the wonderful work that Christian Extremists have done :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

Ta-da! They're baddies! Christians can now all be declared baddies also!



ATHEISTS! BREED FOR VICTORY!

Are you anti-freedom? You're just against freedom. A freedom-hating freedom-phobe. Stop freaking freaking out about freedom. Freedom is good. Freedom freedom freedom. Saying freedom a lot is even better than freedom itself!

Ever hear the saying "dissent is the highest form of patriotism"?

You mean the quote uttered by Howard Zinn, a Marxist?

You mean the quote uttered by Howard Zinn, a Marxist?
Heh - there've been no Muslim communist countries before you start that crap also.

What is your next step then?

To propose a reasonable plan for dealing with this invasion of the West. One possible step would be to restrict Muslim immigration and to attempt to out-breed them.

ireland. my location says "popeland", cause somebody called it that. probably as an insult, but i thought it was funny.

That makes no sense (as an insult) because I thought it was Northern Ireland was was Catholic and Ireland that was Protestant...?

Heh - there've been no Muslim communist countries before you start that crap also.

I'm not starting any crap. I just don't place much faith in the sayings of a Marxist historian.

Patriotism doesn't have to be blind faith. Ever hear the saying "dissent is the highest form of patriotism"? True patriotism sees the flaws of the nation clearly and works to fix them.
Very true, sorry, should have put "nationalism" instead of "patriotism", although the two are oft-intertwined.

I'm proving my thesis one step at a time. The first object that needs to be demonstrated is how Muslims are holding Europe hostage, and that book does an excellent job of that.

Step 1) Collect Muslim underpants

Step 2) ?????????????????????????

Step 3) Profit

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That makes no sense (as an insult) because I thought it was Northern Ireland was was Catholic and Ireland that was Protestant...?
D'oh!

Other way around!

One possible step would be to restrict Muslim immigration and to attempt to out-breed them.

Once again, you show your ignorance.

People aren't born Muslim, they become Muslim. Plus, "outbreeding" them would lead to 2 things:

1) Overpopulation and thus death because society can't support that many people.

2) More Muslim "extremists" because they'll probably become Muslims.

To propose a reasonable plan for dealing with this invasion of the West. One possible step would be to restrict Muslim immigration and to attempt to out-breed them.

That still doesn't mean that you should make abortion illegal (if that was what you were proposing).

I have yet to see proof that the growth of Muslim extremists are direct to the growth of the population of Muslims in general.

I'm not starting any crap. I just don't place much faith in the sayings of a Marxist historian.
And why not?

D'oh!

Other way around!

lol, my bad :D

That makes no sense (as an insult) because I thought it was Northern Ireland was was Catholic and Ireland that was Protestant...?

no, rep. of ireland is the catholic one. nirl, has a protestant majority.

I'm not starting any crap. I just don't place much faith in the sayings of a Marxist historian.

I think Marxism is a failed ideology, but it doesn't mean that it's adherents are always wrong. Hell, I'm sure you even say something wise every now and then.

Patriotism doesn't have to be blind faith. Ever hear the saying "dissent is the highest form of patriotism"? True patriotism sees the flaws of the nation clearly and works to fix them.

In my Foreign Policy Decision Making class, we've been doing work with public opinion, and one of the interesting things we've seen is that there's some unique psychological factors at play, when we deal with nationalism.

Because people tend to define themselves by, not only their internal personalities, but also by exterior factors, national identity tends to play an important role, espescially in the post-medieval world. What we see is that national identity can be different across different lines. A strong national identity can help lead to a strong sense of self, and a strong sense of self confidence, while a weak national identity leads to the inverse.

People who are confident of themselves tend to be less pushy about exporting their self-identity to others, but those who have a weak identity desire greatly to make other people more like them, as an affirmation of self.

The classic examples of nations with weak national identity include Germany in 1914 and 1933, where the German people were still struggling to define themselves (remember, Germany was a fairly new nation at that time) and get a sense of national confidence.

On the other hand, modern Italy is a good example of a nation that has a strong sense of identity and self worth. Very fascinating.

That made no sense whatsoever, did it?

And why not?

True, why not? If the whole world decided whether or not to believe someone just because of his beliefs, this world would be a scary place.

MeansToAnEnd is a Muslim Terrorist. I can deduce this by the fact that he is alienating the viewpoint he supposedly supports - this is known as a black flag operation. Hence, his true motive is to turn people into Muslims.

It's working for me. Allahu Akbar!

Hell, I'm sure you even say something wise every now and then.
Yes, like "I'm way too tired for this... I'm going offline now".

MeansToAnEnd is a Muslim Terrorist. I can deduce this by the fact that he is alienating the viewpoint he supposedly supports - this is known as a black flag operation. Hence, his true motive is to turn people into Muslims.

It's working for me. Allahu Akbar!

ah crap i'm wearing a veil! even worse i'm a cross dressing muslim!

1) Overpopulation and thus death because society can't support that many people.

Actually, the US is one of the least densely populated countries in the world. US society can support a lot more people, even though Chinese society cannot.

2) More Muslim "extremists" because they'll probably become Muslims.

Nobody will become extremist unless they are subjected to intolerant rhetoric from an early age. If they are born in a free and democratic community and the virtues of liberty are instilled in them, they shall not become Muslims nor extremists.

Actually, the US is one of the least densely populated countries in the world. US society can support a lot more people, even though Chinese society cannot.
The areas of the US that aren't populated aren't because they're not very suitable to human life. It can support a few more, but not that many tbh.
If they are born in a free and democratic community and the virtues of liberty are instilled in them, they shall not become Muslims nor extremists.
Incorrect!

Islam is quite a peaceful faith, and there are a fair few British converts to it. Nothing anti-liberty about it.

o.O I can't tell if this is a joke, or some kind of serious moral debate. And if you guys are serious... fuck, I hope you never reproduce, 'cause damn... our world would be that much more stupid. You're proof that the gene pool is in desperate need of chlorine.

True, why not? If the whole world decided whether or not to believe someone just because of his beliefs, this world would be a scary place.

I am simply stating that I do not agree with that particular quote. The fact that the person who uttered it was a Marxist does not induce me to accept it any more.

o.O I can't tell if this is a joke, or some kind of serious moral debate. And if you guys are serious... fuck, I hope you never reproduce, 'cause damn... our world would be that much more stupid. You're proof that the gene pool is in desperate need of chlorine.
MeansToAnEnd is basically a bigotted idiot. He's not lying, sadly. And he is running for government in Kansas. A shame.

Actually, the US is one of the least densely populated countries in the world. US society can support a lot more people, even though Chinese society cannot.
But, Europe is the place with the main problem, no? And the Europeans can support a lot of people, but not too many.

Also, the U.S has trouble support the 300 million it has now. Even the government said so.



Nobody will become extremist unless they are subjected to intolerant rhetoric from an early age. If they are born in a free and democratic community and the virtues of liberty are instilled in them, they shall not become Muslims nor extremists.

So, how come Muslims rioted in Denmark, when most of them were European?


Oh crap, 666th post!!!

I am simply stating that I do not agree with that particular quote. The fact that the person who uttered it was a Marxist does not induce me to accept it any more.
Seemingly it does make you completely ignore it, though, sadly.

o.O I can't tell if this is a joke, or some kind of serious moral debate. And if you guys are serious... fuck, I hope you never reproduce, 'cause damn... our world would be that much more stupid. You're proof that the gene pool is in desperate need of chlorine.

Do you hope that Muslims never reproduce? Well, I agree with you. Unfortunately, it does not seem to be a likely scenario at all. Do you hope that the people who share my viewpoints don't reproduce? Again, that is a naive hope -- many of my classmates share equivalent views or views that are more extreme than mine.

Nobody will become extremist unless they are subjected to intolerant rhetoric from an early age. If they are born in a free and democratic community and the virtues of liberty are instilled in them, they shall not become Muslims nor extremists.

Why wouldn't they become Muslims? Surely its one of their basic rights as a USA Citizen to follow whatever religion pathway they wish. I was led to believe it was called freedom, and so in fact you are being a hypocrite saying they are restricting our freedoms, yet you will not allow us ours?

OH DEAR GOD!!! Don't do it Kansas!! ;___;
Is there some sort of filtering system to prevent the criminally insane from running in American elections?

MeansToAnEnd is basically a bigotted idiot. He's not lying, sadly. And he is running for government in Kansas. A shame.

Who cares about Kansas? They have no effect on us, the subhuman extremists :P

If you want to read a book about this grave threat to freedom, there are some excellent ones.

http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-Slept-Radical-Destroying/dp/0385514727

Did you even read the review you quoted?

His clash-of-civilizations outlook means real issues often get washed away by sweeping statements designed to tar Europe's Muslims with one irredeemably hostile, welfare-sponging brush, while trading in well-worn stereotypes about virtuous American "realists" and corrupt European "idealists."

OH DEAR GOD!!! Don't do it Kansas!! ;___;
Is there some sort of filtering system to prevent the criminally insane from running in American elections?

*Reads post*

*Remembers Richard Nixon*

Nope.

MTAE, why have you ignored my post on page 8?

Do you hope that Muslims never reproduce? Well, I agree with you. Unfortunately, it does not seem to be a likely scenario at all. Do you hope that the people who share my viewpoints don't reproduce? Again, that is a naive hope -- many of my classmates share equivalent views or views that are more extreme than mine.
And as my 3000th post, I would like to reiterate :

You are stupid. I cannot believe anyone is more of a fascist nutter than you. Please pour custard into your computer so that it breaks and we no longer have to read your crap.

Thanks.

MTAE - I'm dissapointed. This topic falls well below your usual standard.

No this one was funny, albeit incredibly stupid http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/score007.gif

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I have yet to see proof that the growth of Muslim extremists are direct to the growth of the population of Muslims in general.

It's common sense. Out of every x Muslim babies born, y are going to end up becoming extremists.

Do you hope that Muslims never reproduce? Well, I agree with you. Unfortunately, it does not seem to be a likely scenario at all. Do you hope that the people who share my viewpoints don't reproduce? Again, that is a naive hope -- many of my classmates share equivalent views or views that are more extreme than mine.

you know how we come over come this muslim invasion?
by converting to islam! then we wouldnt have to worry.

Who cares about Kansas? They have no effect on us, the subhuman extremists :P

So any state which disagrees with your views is composed of "sub-human extremists"? And you wonder why people here consider you "elitist" liberals.

It's common sense. Out of every x Muslim babies born, y are going to end up becoming extremists.

thats an amazing piece of maths you got there.
y=t*(x/?)

you know how we come over come this muslim invasion?
by converting to islam! then we wouldnt have to worry.

Genial idea! Let's opt to throw away our freedoms instead of making Muslims pry our freedoms out of our cold, dead hands.

And as my 3000th post, I would like to reiterate :

You are stupid. I cannot believe anyone is more of a fascist nutter than you. Please pour custard into your computer so that it breaks and we no longer have to read your crap.

Thanks.

Congrats on your 3,000th post. And it couldn't have been more truthful and generally accepted.

thats an amazing piece of maths you got there.
y=t*(x/?)

I'm simply saying that any rational person will acknowledge that a certain percentage of Muslim babies born will become extremists.

Genial idea! Let's opt to throw away our freedoms instead of making Muslims pry our freedoms out of our cold, dead hands.

whats that old yanky saying?
"you have the right to remain silent".

It's common sense. Out of every x Muslim babies born, y are going to end up becoming extremists.
A figure very much affected by environmental values.

"I live without threat, hurrah!" = less terrorist urges
"My leader is quite nice!" = less terrorist urges
"Oh look, some bastard's blown my house up" = more terrorist urges
"I'm living in poverty due to US sanctions... argh..." = more terrorist urges

"you have the right to remain silent".

I choose to waive that right and spread my message of truth to the world.

Genial idea! Let's opt to throw away our freedoms instead of making Muslims pry our freedoms out of our cold, dead hands.

Muslims take away our freedoms?

Hmm... I wonder why, then, the government is being blaimed?

I wonder why I'm still free, and so is Europe...

It's common sense. Out of every x Muslim babies born, y are going to end up becoming extremists.

I disagree, extremists don't just appear randomly out of ever x muslims. There is no genetic code that will cause some muslims to be extremists. It comes from outside factors. eg. from hate being generated in communities. This hate, i believe, can be gotten rid of through proper education and relations.

I choose to waive that right and spread my message of truth to the world.
And it's duly gutted.

I disagree, extremists don't just appear randomly out of ever x muslims. There is no genetic code that will cause some muslims to be extremists. It comes from outside factors. eg. from hate being generated in communities. This hate, i believe, can be gotten rid of through proper education and relations.

I said that earlier, but I got no reply. Don't try it, he avoids logic and reason.

"I'm living in poverty due to US sanctions... argh..." = more terrorist urges

If the US imposes sanctions on a country, it's for a reason. If that country wishes, it can trade with other countries aside from the US. It's not like US sanctions are that economically damaging unless they are backed up by global sanctions.

Wait, let me guess. You will personally assume responsibility for impregnating as many white anglo-saxon women as you can, to raise the lebensborn rate and save the world. What a sacrifice! What a patriot! Pure blood!

I choose to waive that right and spread my message of truth to the world.

*bops on head with baton*
thats what we do to protesters.:cool:

Wait, let me guess. You will personally assume responsibility for impregnating as many white anglo-saxon women as you can, to raise the lebensborn rate and save the world. What a sacrifice! What a patriot! Pure blood!

Pure stupidity (on MTAE's part)!

If the US imposes sanctions on a country, it's for a reason.
Yes, for example "because we lost a war with them" - see Vietnam.
If that country wishes, it can trade with other countries aside from the US.
Not if the US has banned trade with it in money etc.

See Food for Oil.
It's not like US sanctions are that economically damaging unless they are backed up by global sanctions.
Seeing as the US is a very large consumer of... urmm... consumer goods, yes, yes it is economically damaging.

I disagree, extremists don't just appear randomly out of ever x muslims. There is no genetic code that will cause some muslims to be extremists. It comes from outside factors. eg. from hate being generated in communities. This hate, i believe, can be gotten rid of through proper education and relations.

But there is no way to educate, for example, Saudi Arabians. There is no way to re-educate immigrants who staunchly and obstinately believe in their warped views of the world -- they are too old and obdurate. Unfortunately, they form communities of extremists where their children will also be brought up according to their strict, anti-freedom, anti-tolerance rhetoric. Such communities are practically factories for churning out extremists, and they resist any efforts to assimilate them.

If the US imposes sanctions on a country, it's for a reason. If that country wishes, it can trade with other countries aside from the US. It's not like US sanctions are that economically damaging unless they are backed up by global sanctions.

yeah look how amazing cuba is doing with its exports!

I find your post ironic, as you don't seem to really understand what fascism is. Terrorism is not fascism, nor is Islamicism. Terrorism is an act of violence in a desperate attempt to reach a political end (like the Russian revolution or the Anarchist terrorism of the late 19th century).

Now, Fascism is when you want to whitewash civilization between two opposing extremes, and try to justify the most immoral actions as protecting your civilization from a manufactured enemy.

The point I'm really trying to make here is that you're biggoted, inflexible, self-righteous, and yes, an extremist. It's moronic and hyprocritical.

I personally find it more frightening that you can run for any kind of elected office in the United States, than that some yokel in the hills of Afghanistan wants to strike at the west because of his indoctrination of a bastardized version of Islam.

Now I take my leave.

Yes, that is true, but I am not an advocate of war. I'm not a hippy, but I don't believe that we should employ war and nuclear weapons as a means of solving all our problems. I'd prefer to explore more peaceful solutions first -- in this case, it would be better to attempt preserving life rather than taking it as a way of winning the war against Islamic extremism. Although, as I noted, if worst came to worst, we could always obliterate the entire Middle East quite easily.

Aw, good old american ignorance.

Seeing as the US is a very large consumer of... urmm... consumer goods, yes, yes it is economically damaging.

If no one except the US is willing to buy their products, then it sucks for them, doesn't it? But you can't seriously blame the US for the fact that their products are not being bought by anybody else. It's their own damn fault for making low-quality products. I don't blame skate-boarders because my bikes aren't selling.

But there is no way to educate, for example, Saudi Arabians. There is no way to re-educate immigrants who staunchly and obstinately believe in their warped views of the world -- they are too old and obdurate. Unfortunately, they form communities of extremists where their children will also be brought up according to their strict, anti-freedom, anti-tolerance rhetoric. Such communities are practically factories for churning out extremists, and they resist any efforts to assimilate them.

Can we re-educate you?

Strike that.

Can we educate you?

yeah look how amazing cuba is doing with its exports!

Cuba is doing horribly because of its stifling communist system, even though it freely trades with Europe and South America.

But there is no way to educate, for example, Saudi Arabians.
Do you not have schools in Kansas?

Maybe you are not aware of them and their usage. This may explain a lot.
There is no way to re-educate immigrants who staunchly and obstinately believe in their warped views of the world -- they are too old and obdurate.
My mum's at uni and she's thirty-five. A lot of over-fifties take evening classes. Any age of people can be educated.
Unfortunately, they form communities of extremists where their children will also be brought up according to their strict, anti-freedom, anti-tolerance rhetoric.
No, they don't.
Such communities are practically factories for churning out extremists, and they resist any efforts to assimilate them.
No, they're not.

Can we educate you?

The Kansas public school system has done an extremely good job of that already.

OH DEAR GOD!!! Don't do it Kansas!! ;___;
Is there some sort of filtering system to prevent the criminally insane from running in American elections?

My mum's at uni and she's thirty-five. A lot of over-fifties take evening classes. Any age of people can be educated.

Because she chooses to do so. Are you advocating forcing Muslims to be educated against their will? The problem is that they are obstinate and obdurate in their extremists views, and they will not willingly allow themselves to be re-educated.

Cuba is doing horribly because of its stifling communist system, even though it freely trades with Europe and South America.
I think you'll find you're actually wrong on that one. It's not communism at fault, it's the lack of local markets.

And I'm sure you'd prefer vivascious Port-au-Prince to La Habana. Try them both. I know which one I'd prefer.

Cuba is doing horribly because of its stifling communist system, even though it freely trades with Europe and South America.

trades with europe, but things cost more due to having to go the long way round.
usually i wouldnt complement communism, but cuba has done a good job with its health and education system.

OH DEAR GOD!!! Don't do it Kansas!! ;___;
Is there some sort of filtering system to prevent the criminally insane from running in American elections?

Relax. I don't know who said that I was running for public office in Kansas, but I'm not...yet. Of course, I may opt to do so in 2008 or 2010.

The Kansas public school system has done an extremely good job of that already.
No, it hasn't. You are bigotted and foolish.

I've got an idea, if immigrants cause the problems in the united states, then why don't we deport all people who aren't american? oh wait that would mean that only the native americans would be left since every other person in America is of an immigrant lineage.

But there is no way to educate, for example, Saudi Arabians. There is no way to re-educate immigrants who staunchly and obstinately believe in their warped views of the world -- they are too old and obdurate. Unfortunately, they form communities of extremists where their children will also be brought up according to their strict, anti-freedom, anti-tolerance rhetoric. Such communities are practically factories for churning out extremists, and they resist any efforts to assimilate them.

Maybe some Saudi extremists will be too stubborn to change their views. But over time, if education is applied correctly and relationships are formed with less extremist people in the community (rather then the community rejecting them) their children will almost certainly be raised with non extremist views.

No, it hasn't. You are bigotted and foolish.

Obviously, whatever school you attended hasn't taught you the proper spelling of "bigoted," so if I were you, I'd reserve my insults for a time when I could adequately spell them.

Because she chooses to do so. Are you advocating forcing Muslims to be educated against their will? The problem is that they are obstinate and obdurate in their extremists views, and they will not willingly allow themselves to be re-educated.

again i will say, every muslim i have met, is either in college or has finished college.

No this one was funny, albeit incredibly stupid http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/score007.gif

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I'm sorry, I stared at that second smiley for about a minute, with my head going back and forth.:)


The birth rate is fine as it is. A low birth-rate is usually a sign of an advanced country. We don't need to increase it.

Because she chooses to do so. Are you advocating forcing Muslims to be educated against their will? The problem is that they are obstinate and obdurate in their extremists views, and they will not willingly allow themselves to be re-educated.
Pay 'em, then. Simple as that.

"Come and look at what life could be like in this selection of videos - And we'll give you £500 ($950 or so) every time you turn up in this semester!

Semester = five instructional cultural videos, showing the advantages of fully integrating.

Total price : £2500 / $4750.
Social payoff : Priceless.

Remember the four page rule?

Maybe some Saudi extremists will be to stubborn to change their views. But over time, if education is applied correctly and relationships are formed with less extremist people in the community (rather then the community rejecting them) their children will almost certainly be raised with non extremist views.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Children are cloistered in heavily Muslim communities and are indoctrinated with heavily extremists views from an early age. They are powerless to resist as the venom is slowly poured in their ears. Eventually, they too will become extremists, just like their parents. Also, the poverty that many Muslim communities are in doesn't help -- they are unable to find jobs, so they blame it on society, and their communities become violent cesspools of hate and ignorance.

Obviously, whatever school you attended hasn't taught you the proper spelling of "bigoted," so if I were you, I'd reserve my insults for a time when I could adequately spell them.
Terribly sorry!

I've mis-spelt a word I rarely use?

Ruins every argument I've ever made, really, doesn't it?

The Kansas public school system has done an extremely good job of that already.
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That's a classic! Wooot!http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/happy081.gif

My god, someone should contact the Kansas Boaard of Education, show them this thread and smack them over the head. They'd shape up in a heartbeat :D

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Remember the four page rule?

And what rule would that be? Whenever someone posts an opinion you don't agree with, don't debate him openly but rather cling tenaciously to your own ignorant views by boycotting the thread after four pages?

I've mis-spelt a word I rarely use?

Actually, you've misspelled a word which you rarely use. And I wouldn't call your insult an "argument."

To the OP:

First of all abortion doesn't help or hurt the terroists because you need to remeber not everyone is a Christain. Secondly where did you get your information from? How do you even know those statistics are anyone close to being correct. Lastly you really no to rethink your opnions if you think abortion has anything to do with the war or overpopulating the Muslims. Not every kid born to Christain parents becomes a Christain.


* This in response to the title and first sentence.

~Polymnia

Terribly sorry!

I've mis-spelt a word I rarely use?

Ruins every argument I've ever made, really, doesn't it?

ha ha amazing point.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Children are cloistered in heavily Muslim communities and are indoctrinated with heavily extremists views from an early age. They are powerless to resist as the venom is slowly poured in their ears. Eventually, they too will become extremists, just like their parents.
Have you... umm... ever been to Europe, especially to a Muslim area?
Also, the poverty that many Muslim communities are in doesn't help -- they are unable to find jobs, so they blame it on society, and their communities become violent cesspools of hate and ignorance.
You seem perfectly capable in the fields of hate and ignorance, and Kansas has the lowest unemployment rate in the US!

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Children are cloistered in heavily Muslim communities and are indoctrinated with heavily extremists views from an early age. They are powerless to resist as the venom is slowly poured in their ears. Eventually, they too will become extremists, just like their parents. Also, the poverty that many Muslim communities are in doesn't help -- they are unable to find jobs, so they blame it on society, and their communities become violent cesspools of hate and ignorance.

Thats why I am saying that the muslim communities should not be rejected and stricken to poverty. There are also many cases of children rejecting their mother and fathers extremist ways because of outside eduaction, I don't think it is possible to be fully indoctrinated in extemist ideals with outside education.

WHat? The Tooth-Fairy doesn't exist?:eek:
Well anyway! Helping the terrorist? Nah! Don't think so! Don't have time to explain but i dont think so!

And what rule would that be? Whenever someone posts an opinion you don't agree with, don't debate him openly but rather cling tenaciously to your own ignorant views by boycotting the thread after four pages?

Its not a case of simply disagreeing with you, its a case of you stubbornly refusing to listen to reasoned argument and fact. My own views are far from ignorant, they have been formed by inspecting and questioning evidence and keeping an open enough mind to take on board what other people say. Unlike yourself. I refuse to debate with someone who refuses to debate back. I could tell you the sky was blue and you'd disagree.

Actually, you've misspelled a word which you rarely use. And I wouldn't call your insult an "argument."
Actually, mis-spelt is a perfectly fine term, I think you'll find. And I wouldn't call pointing out spelling errors an argument either.

:fluffle: Actually, mis-spelt is a perfectly fine term, I think you'll find. And I wouldn't call pointing out spelling errors an argument either.

i think i love you.

Actually, mis-spelt is a perfectly fine term, I think you'll find. And I wouldn't call pointing out spelling errors an argument either.

I think you'll find that the Merriam-Webster online dictionary would beg to disagree.

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=misspelt

:fluffle:

i think i love you.
Hmm. Thanks.

:fluffle:

Have one yourself.

Thats why I am saying that the muslim communities should not be rejected and stricken to poverty. There are also many cases of children rejecting their mother and fathers extremist ways because of outside eduaction, I don't think it is possible to be fully indoctrinated in extemist ideals with outside education.

Muslim communities are not "rejected." They reject the ideals of the West and seclude themselves in their own private cesspools of hate, ignorance, and unemployment by choice.

Muslim communities are not "rejected." They reject the ideals of the West and seclude themselves in their own private cesspools of hate, ignorance, and unemployment by choice.

ok admit they don't want to integrate,why are they still working?

Muslim communities are not "rejected." They reject the ideals of the West and seclude themselves in their own private cesspools of hate, ignorance, and unemployment by choice.

Hows that work then? The vast majority of muslim communities here in Britain are certainly not secluded, not by themselves or anyone else.

I think you'll find that the Merriam-Webster online dictionary would beg to disagree.

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=misspelt
It's a regional term, and IIRC the Cambridge dictionary accepts it. It's also a bit low that you've so little to argue that you're willing to insult my spelling, of all things.

Here's a special secret, the guarenteed way to end all Islamic Extremism - turn the Islamic nations into developed nations. How to accomplish this? I'd argue for the removal of trade barriers and for increased use of such aid organizations as The World Bank and U.S. Aid in the Islamic world. If they have as much stuff as us, then they'll stop trying to kill us, no?

Here's a special secret, the guarenteed way to end all Islamic Extremism - turn the Islamic nations into developed nations. How to accomplish this? I'd argue for the removal of trade barriers and for increased use of such aid organizations as The World Bank and U.S. Aid in the Islamic world. If they have as much stuff as us, then they'll stop trying to kill us, no?

good plan. plus add hugs.

In the spirit of making silly links...

"NOT EATING NUTS HELPS THE SQUIRRELS! EAT NUTS OR YOU'RE HELPING THE RODENT RACE SURVIVE!" "27,000 AMERICANS ARE KILLED EVERY HOUR BY SUICIDE SQUIRRELS"

Muslim communities are not "rejected." They reject the ideals of the West and seclude themselves in their own private cesspools of hate, ignorance, and unemployment by choice.

no myslims arent rejected anywhere, certainly not in america, you guys love them so much you send them to happy fun camps in cuba.

Muslim communities are not "rejected." They reject the ideals of the West and seclude themselves in their own private cesspools of hate, ignorance, and unemployment by choice.

I think thats quite a large generalisation IMO. Not that many Muslim's seclude themselves into a seperate community, and of the ones that do, very few actually generate extremism. The point is, there is nothing to stop attempts to be made to remove the barriers seperating the Muslim communities from everone else.

I also suggest that some sort of National Muslim church is set up, to regulate the mosques and make sure that the faith of Islam is being taught correctly.

Anyway the point is, banning abortion is not the answer.

Hows that work then? The vast majority of muslim communities here in Britain are certainly not secluded, not by themselves or anyone else.

when i was in london, all of the english in my work hated muslims. i made friends with the muslims, i considered them friendlier.

Anyway the point is, banning abortion is not the answer.

ah sure it would fun anyway.

MTAE, you're slipping. Rather than genuinely stupid policies like the slavery topic, you're taking sarcastic phrases that us liberals use to mock fundies and turning them into thread topics. Can't deny they're amusing, though...

when i was in london, all of the english in my work hated muslims. i made friends with the muslims, i considered them friendlier.

Really? I don't know where you worked but it doesn't sound very nice.

Muslim communities are not "rejected." They reject the ideals of the West and seclude themselves in their own private cesspools of hate, ignorance, and unemployment by choice.

Actually, they are rejected because they are muslim and its exactly your type of attitude that keeps them rejected.

*roflmao
This gibberish actually resulted in a thread of 14 pages???

*roflmao
This gibberish actually resulted in a thread of 14 pages???
Absolutely.

*roflmao
This gibberish actually resulted in a thread of 14 pages???

Its fun to argue with idiocy.

*roflmao
This gibberish actually resulted in a thread of 14 pages???

Fraid so. The attention whore got what he wanted again

*roflmao
This gibberish actually resulted in a thread of 14 pages???

what does 'roflmao' mean?

Its fun to argue with idiocy.
Or just crush somebody's self-esteem, as I slightly hope we did here.

This is what happens when you feed a troll.

what does 'roflmao' mean?
Rolling on the floor, laughing my arse off.

what does 'roflmao' mean?

= rolling on floor, laughing my ass off :D

Or just crush somebody's self-esteem, as I slightly hope we did here.

Well, he was asking for it.
I can't help but suspect a severe sexual suppression here, paired with a fascinating case of masochism. Reading some of those posts, you can almost see the guy jerking off while typing. Or maybe that's just my dirty way of thinking projected on the world...

And with our extra funds, we can "adopt" children from these nations and build our armies that way. I mean, there us a surplus of orphans in the places the terrorists hail from... ;)

THAT'S IT! Use their own children against them! Brilliant! :D

= rolling on floor, laughing my ass off :D

i dont see the point of typing in things like that, cause if you were rolling on the floor, you wouldnt be able to type. which is why i always type "ha ha".

Well, he was asking for it.
I can't help but suspect a severe sexual suppression here, paired with a fadcinating case of masochism. Reading some of those posts, you can almost see the guy jerking off while typing. Or maybe that's just my dirty way of thinking projected on the world...
A combination of both the content and your mind, perchance :)

Well, he was asking for it.
I can't help but suspect a severe sexual suppression here, paired with a fadcinating case of masochism. Reading some of those posts, you can almost see the guy jerking off while typing. Or maybe that's just my dirty way of thinking projected on the world...

more and more fetishes appearing, day by day.

i dont see the point of typing in things like that, cause if you were rolling on the floor, you wouldnt be able to type. which is why i always type "ha ha".
Haha, fine point, my Popelandian chum.

Well, he was asking for it.
I can't help but suspect a severe sexual suppression here, paired with a fadcinating case of masochism. Reading some of those posts, you can almost see the guy jerking off while typing. Or maybe that's just my dirty way of thinking projected on the world...

Methinks youv'e hit the nail on the head......

Bad images. VERY bad images. :headbang:

more and more fetishes appearing, day by day.
WATCH THESE SUCKERS GET NUKED!

HEAR THEIR RAPTUROUS SCREAMS OF AGONY!

LOOK AT THEIR CARBONISED, DEAD, NAKED BODIES

ALL FOR $9.95 A MONTH!

Access also granted to "ihateosama.com" and "israeliarmedchicks.net" - your source for gun porn, just the way you want it.

MTAE, i am still waiting for a reply.

i dont see the point of typing in things like that, cause if you were rolling on the floor, you wouldnt be able to type. which is why i always type "ha ha".

I need a really good laughing smilie, but I don't have one right now.

two words: who cares.

MTAE, i am still waiting for a reply.

Don't bother, he usually gives up after a while when people start to prove him wrong. I'm surprised he stayed on this one so long, I think thats a record

I am willing to do my part. I will be glad to impregnate any females between the ages of 18 and 55 who want to be impregnated. The impregnation must be done the "old fashion way." :D

My wife may not like it, but I’m sure we can convince her it is for the “greater good.”

Ladies, I'm available now. Where are you? Are you trying to tell me something? :(

MTAE, i am still waiting for a reply.
Give the guy a break, he's... busy. :|

WATCH THESE SUCKERS GET NUKED!

HEAR THEIR RAPTUROUS SCREAMS OF AGONY!

LOOK AT THEIR CARBONISED, DEAD, NAKED BODIES

ALL FOR $9.95 A MONTH!

Access also granted to "ihateosama.com" and "israeliarmedchicks.net" - your source for gun porn, just the way you want it.

*laughs so hard I fall off chair*:D

I need a really good laughing smilie, but I don't have one right now.

http://www.reloaded.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif

There :)

Give the guy a break, he's... busy. :|
Probably finishing himself off with what I posted.

MTAE, i am still waiting for a reply.

To what? Do you claim that there are no Muslim communities in places like Britain which reinforce notions of intolerance and hatred in their children? Do you deny that these communities imbue the susceptible with a sense of pride in their religion and a violent wrath against those who insult it? Are you saying that there are no immigrants to refuse to assimilate? Or do you just think education is a panacea to all the ills of society? I'm afraid it's not. Children are indoctrinated at home to too great an extent -- some are irredeemably propagandized.

To what? Do you claim that there are no Muslim communities in places like Britain which reinforce notions of intolerance and hatred in their children? Do you deny that these communities imbue the susceptible with a sense of pride in their religion and a violent wrath against those who insult it? Are you saying that there are no immigrants to refuse to assimilate? Or do you just think education is a panacea to all the ills of society? I'm afraid it's not. Children are indoctrinated at home to too great an extent -- some are irredeemably propagandized.
Have you ever been to a Muslim community in Britain?

Or are you taking this from the Daily Mail?

Or are you taking this from the Daily Mail?

I am taking this from the book which I posted in conjunction with the Daily Mail.

To what? Do you claim that there are no evangelical Christian communities in places like Britain which reinforce notions of intolerance and hatred in their children? Do you deny that these communities imbue the susceptible with a sense of pride in their religion and a violent wrath against those who insult it? Are you saying that there are no immigrants to refuse to assimilate? Or do you just think education is a panacea to all the ills of society? I'm afraid it's not. Children are indoctrinated at home to too great an extent -- some are irredeemably propagandized.
Fixed ;)

And new Dilbert- I thought it was relevant.

http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20061028.html
:D

To what? Do you claim that there are no Muslim communities in places like Britain which reinforce notions of intolerance and hatred in their children? Do you deny that these communities imbue the susceptible with a sense of pride in their religion and a violent wrath against those who insult it? Are you saying that there are no immigrants to refuse to assimilate?

No one is saying that at all. What we are saying is that those communities who do behave in that way are in a minority - an extreme minority, and that b turning our backs on hese people and not even tryin to educate them otherwise is wrong and only helps to reinforce their views.

As you know, we are engaged in a deadly struggle against Islamo-fascism. Unfortunately, they are winning. Each year, the Christian population increases by 2.3% (which, incidentally, is the rate of world-wide population expansion), yet the Islamic population balloons by 2.7%. At this rate, the Muslims will overtake the Christians in numbers by 2025. Already signs of this growing Muslim population are evident in Europe, where freedoms are being restricted so as not to offend intolerant Muslims. Soon, when Muslims are in the majority, Europe may very well be turned into an Islamic state. Well, we must not let the same thing happen in America. We must not allow the terrorists and extremist Muslims who hate our freedoms to win, like Europe is doing. We have tried to achieve this goal through war, but we failed to a certain extent -- the inexorable spread of Islam was not halted sufficiently. Many Muslims died, but not enough. We must seek other means of stopping this Islamic invasion of the world through their extremely high birth rates. We must formulate a defense against this clever ploy of inundating our population with Muslim immigrants. One method of doing this is to encourage non-Muslims to breed. We must heap tax incentives at the feet of those non-Muslims who wish to copulate. Also, we must criminalize abortion. Anybody who is willing to get an abortion is letting the terrorists win -- there is no way around that fact. If you kill an innocent baby, you are doing the terrorists' work for them. To win this war on terror, a new strategy is required -- we must out-breed the enemy. They have a head start on us, but I'm confident that we'll be able to come back from behind to win. If not, we can always nuke them, but that's too extreme a solution for the time being and I would prefer a peaceful resolution to this problem. If you don't want an all-out war, you better be prepared to breed rapidly; it's the only other solution.
This isn't Christianity vs Islam. It's the civilised world vs a few armed extreme Islamic groups. Numbers won't help us win, especially given that this is no conventional war.

I am taking this from the book which I posted in conjunction with the Daily Mail.

The Daily Mail is th most right wing, intolerent, anti muslim, amti immigrant, anti left publication in Britain. It doesn't report news, i reports a conervative agenda in he sameway the Guardian reports a left wing agenda. The only thing eitherof them are any good for are the crosswords.

I am taking this from the book which I posted in conjunction with the Daily Mail.
The same one which even the user review you quoted complained about its b-i-g-o-t-e-d (just thought I'd get the spelling there for you) and ridiculous attitude?

The Daily Mail is th most right wing, intolerent, anti muslim, amti immigrant, anti left publication in Britain. It doesn't report news, i reports a conervative agenda in he sameway the Guardian reports a left wing agenda. The only thing eitherof them are any good for are the crosswords.
Nah, the Grauniad (MTAE, you might not understand that) has some good news coverage. The Daily Mail gets the wrong end of the stick.

"Prince Harry wears SS uniform to a party in Germany"

"Oh no, house prices will fall in London."

To what? Do you claim that there are no Muslim communities in places like Britain which reinforce notions of intolerance and hatred in their children? Do you deny that these communities imbue the susceptible with a sense of pride in their religion and a violent wrath against those who insult it? Are you saying that there are no immigrants to refuse to assimilate? Or do you just think education is a panacea to all the ills of society? I'm afraid it's not. Children are indoctrinated at home to too great an extent -- some are irredeemably propagandized.

Do you really think someone would force themselves into poverty purposelly? Education can and will clean away the decay of ignorance that pollutes these societies. If these children were educated they could get jobs, they could adapt to western society and they most certainly could help improve their neighborhoods and communities.

Nah, the Grauniad (MTAE, you might not understand that) has some good news coverage. The Daily Mail gets the wrong end of the stick.

"Prince Harry wears SS uniform to a party in Germany"

"Oh no, house prices will fall in London."

I must admit though, the Daily Mail does have some excellent puzzles in it. Just a shame about the rest of its "content".

Do you really think someone would force themselves into poverty purposelly? Education can and will clean away the decay of ignorance that pollutes these societies. If these children were educated they could get jobs, they could adapt to western society and they most certainly could help improve their neighborhoods and communities.

They could, but don't. You act as if there is no public education in Britain -- there is.

They could, but don't. You act as if there is no public education in Britain -- there is.

yeah put its not great.

To what? Do you claim that there are no Muslim communities in places like Britain which reinforce notions of intolerance and hatred in their children? Do you deny that these communities imbue the susceptible with a sense of pride in their religion and a violent wrath against those who insult it? Are you saying that there are no immigrants to refuse to assimilate? Or do you just think education is a panacea to all the ills of society? I'm afraid it's not. Children are indoctrinated at home to too great an extent -- some are irredeemably propagandized.

Now we are going round in circles. I can't be bothered anymore.

They could, but don't. You act as if there is no public education in Britain -- there is.

But the public education in those areas is abismal.

yeah put its not great.

It's great for everybody except the children of Muslim immigrants who refuse to conform to the standards of Western life and refuse to be assimilated into British society. It's their fault, not the government's. Britain should really consider clamping down on Muslim immigration in light of what happened to France.

They could, but don't. You act as if there is no public education in Britain -- there is.
*smashes head into desk*

Since Islam forbids usury (terribly sorry if that's been spelt incorrectly), young Muslims are the people who are most proactive in looking for work.

And what the hell is your educational comment about?

They could, but don't. You act as if there is no public education in Britain -- there is.

Yes there i, and if you would care to inspect the figures instead of quoting a right wing rag you will find that the children of immigrants and ethnic minorities perform far better in the public school system than others. The type of education we are alking about is teaching tolerance and acceptance, Something you seem to have little comprehension of.