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Actually, that's false. The name refers not to the animal that made it, but only to the footprints, as a method of distinguishing them. Footprints only get a generic name, not a specific name. As an example, the Grallator footprints almost certainly belong to Coelophysis bauri, but they are still referred to as Grallator. This is because it is impossible to demonstrate that the footprints were made by C. bauri and not by a similar animal.

:( Pity. Sounded good, though, huh?

Silly, misguided creationists. I poop in your coffee.


If you try real hard you could probly write a better post Mindset, after all you grade your members on their writting skills don't you?

If you try real hard you could probly write a better post Mindset, after all you grade your members on their writting skills don't you?

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If you try real hard you could probly write a better post Mindset, after all you grade your members on their writting skills don't you?

It's not just writing skills that you don't have.

Silly, misguided creationists. I poop in your coffee.

Resulting in the creation of a whole new world where people are full of shit ? ;)

It's not just writing skills that you don't have.



Thats one jerks opinion which means nothing to me

Resulting in the creation of a whole new world where people are full of shit ? ;)


Resulting in evolutionist that can't think of anything better to say, so they resort to character attacks about someone they don't even know. :rolleyes:

Resulting in evolultionist that can't think of anything better to say, so they resort to character attacks about someone they don't even know. :rolleyes:

Ok, first of all, you make a bigger impression if you spell it Evilution or Evilutionist. Second, Jesus told me to tell you to stop sticking up for him. You're making him look bad.

I have a question for creationists and ID-ers:

What is the biological mechanism that allows for micro-evolution but does not allow for macro-evolution?

The rest of you, I know what you're going to say, so don't! (insert appropriately menacing smiley here)

Ok, first of all, you make a bigger impression if you spell it Evilution or Evilutionist. Second, Jesus told me to tell you to stop sticking up for him. You're making him look bad.

Tell him to tell me

Resulting in evolutionist that can't think of anything better to say, so they resort to character attacks about someone they don't even know. :rolleyes:

okay, well I can think of something better to say. What's your response to this?

There is no missing link. It's a myth made up by Christians who either don't really understand evolution or do but want to trick their followers into not believing it. The fact is that the only way we could fill in every gap in the fossil record is to have at least one fossilized example of every sinlge generation of every single secies of plant, fungus or animal that has ever lived. You seem to think that the theory of evolution is that some monkey in a tree gave birth to an ape and that later some ape gave birth to a human. This is not how evolution works. You are how evolution works. You are not exactly like your mom. You are not exactly like your dad. You have slight variations and even some mutations. If those variations and mutations are an evoltionary advantage like, say, they make you more attractive to females and, thus, probably more reproductively successful, then your slight variations and mutations will be passed on to offspring - who will not be exactly like you or exactly like the mother of your offspring. They will have slight variations and probably some mutations of their own. If those variations are advantageous like, say, they are more resistant to prevailing disease and thus probably more reproductively successful (see a patern?) then those traits will be passed on to their children who will not be exactly like them. When you magnify these slight variations and slight mutations through hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands of generations they turn into very large differences. When you magnify them through millions of generations you end up with an entirely different world. When you superheat those differences with an environmental catastrophy, like, say a meteor crashing into the Earth or a supervolcano blowing up or runaway global warming you end up with massive changes in just a few dozen generations.

Tell him to tell me

He can't. You're possessed by a demon of lies and ignorance, so you can't get in touch with Jesus until the unclean spirit is cast out.

I have a question for creationists and ID-ers:

What is the biological mechanism that allows for micro-evolution but does not allow for macro-evolution?

The rest of you, I know what you're going to say, so don't! (insert appropriately menacing smiley here)


Links to the answer:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microevolution



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution

Links to the answer:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microevolution



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution

There isn't one. Got it.

He can't. You're possessed by a demon of lies and ignorance, so you can't get in touch with Jesus until the unclean spirit is cast out.



Ok ... In the name of Jesus I cast out all unclean sprits found writting post in my thread.

There isn't one. Got it.

I don't care

I don't care

Obviously. Anything relating to facts and the proper use of the scientific method is anethema to those pushing for supernatural explanations to be included in science.

Links to the answer:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microevolution



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution

I read these articles, and there is no mention of such a biological mechanism. If no such mechanism exists, why can we not say that microevolution and macroevolution are one and the same?

Ok ... In the name of Jesus I cast out all unclean sprits found writting post in my thread.

I suggest this then.

http://www.geocities.com/jure.babnik/pic/dogbert.gif

Obviously. Anything relating to facts and the proper use of the scientific method is anethema to those pushing for supernatural explanations to be included in science.


Faith in his teachings is what is required where Jesus is concerned. Obviously there are very few people here that understand that fact. What would you say if I said that I believe that your properly used scientific method will evenually prove my point for me. :D

Faith in his teachings is what is required where Jesus is concerned. Obviously there are very few people here that understand that fact. What would you say if I said that I believe that your properly used scientific method will evenually prove my point for me. :D

No? :confused:



There is no missing link. It's a myth made up by Christians who either don't really understand evolution or do but want to trick their followers into not believing it. The fact is that the only way we could fill in every gap in the fossil record is to have at least one fossilized example of every sinlge generation of every single secies of plant, fungus or animal that has ever lived. You seem to think that the theory of evolution is that some monkey in a tree gave birth to an ape and that later some ape gave birth to a human. This is not how evolution works. You are how evolution works. You are not exactly like your mom. You are not exactly like your dad. You have slight variations and even some mutations. If those variations and mutations are an evoltionary advantage like, say, they make you more attractive to females and, thus, probably more reproductively successful, then your slight variations and mutations will be passed on to offspring - who will not be exactly like you or exactly like the mother of your offspring. They will have slight variations and probably some mutations of their own. If those variations are advantageous like, say, they are more resistant to prevailing disease and thus probably more reproductively successful (see a patern?) then those traits will be passed on to their children who will not be exactly like them. When you magnify these slight variations and slight mutations through hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands of generations they turn into very large differences. When you magnify them through millions of generations you end up with an entirely different world. When you superheat those differences with an environmental catastrophy, like, say a meteor crashing into the Earth or a supervolcano blowing up or runaway global warming you end up with massive changes in just a few dozen generations.

Faith in his teachings is what is required where Jesus is concerned. Obviously there are very few people here that understand that fact. What would you say if I said that I believe that your properly used scientific method will evenually prove my point for me. :D

I'd say I wouldn't hold my breath, but I encourage you to do so.

No? :confused:

I guess we shall see ... how about this ... we agree to disagree

What would you say if I said that I believe that your properly used scientific method will evenually prove my point for me. :D
That's like saying that mathematical proof will eventually prove that, on a right triangle, a^2 + b^2 = c^3.

Since I doubt you have education necessary to understand that, you can't prove what has already been demonstrated to be objectively incorrect.

I'd say I wouldn't hold my breath, but I encourage you to do so.



Now who is displaying evil tendencies ... hmmm

Now who is displaying evil tendencies ... hmmm

You, okay. You're the evilest. Does that make you feel better? Satisfied now?

I guess we shall see ... how about this ... we agree to disagree

That's not a debate. You're supposed to attack my reasoning.

That's not a debate. You're supposed to attack my reasoning.

Your reasoning smells like unwashed jackin' socks. :)

Faith in his teachings is what is required where Jesus is concerned. Obviously there are very few people here that understand that fact. What would you say if I said that I believe that your properly used scientific method will evenually prove my point for me. :D

I'd say you're a fucking troll and you need to leave?

Your reasoning smells like unwashed jackin' socks. :)

I mean specifically with regards to evolution and the post that I quoted from myself. But, thanks.:)

I mean specifically with regards to evolution and the post that I quoted from myself. But, thanks.:)

Um...

Evolution is horribly messy and can stain delicate fabrics. Always wear proper safety gear when in the presence of evolution.

:confused:

:)

Um...

Evolution is horribly messy and can stain delicate fabrics. Always wear proper safety gear when in the presence of evolution.

:confused:

:)

Is it okay to operate evolution while under the influence of alcohol or perscription drugs?

Is it okay to operate evolution while under the influence of alcohol or perscription drugs?

How do you think the platypus happened? :)

How do you think the platypus happened? :)

Probably how human females got boobies, too.

Probably how human females got boobies, too.

I think women are lucky they didn't get udders like cows did. I'll never understand one-way knees. We could've had two-way bendable knees! I feel cheated! :mad:

I think women are lucky they didn't get udders like cows did. I'll never understand one-way knees. We could've had two-way bendable knees! I feel cheated! :mad:

We could have had tentacles like some bizzare sea creature. We really have been cheated. Like Dane Cook says, "They have that acidy spit... I want that! WHY NOT ME?!"

I think we need to put someone more creative in charge of evolution. Someone like me. :D

I think we need to put someone more creative in charge of evolution. Someone like me. :D

That's what Spore is for. Have at em, tiger. ^^

I think we need to put someone more creative in charge of evolution. Someone like me. :D

Not if you plan on changing these:

http://www.funnyhub.com/pictures/img/candy-bikini.jpg

Into these:

http://www.acclaimstock.com/_gallery/_TN/0095-0508-3011-0211_TN.jpg

I just realized why I keep thinking of rabbits whenever I see LG's name - I play RagnarokOnline, so when I think "Lunatic", I think small, white, fuzzy bunny.

Not if you plan on changing these:

http://www.funnyhub.com/pictures/img/candy-bikini.jpg

Into these:

http://www.acclaimstock.com/_gallery/_TN/0095-0508-3011-0211_TN.jpg

Ooh! IS that a candy bikini? Yummy! :)

Hey now, Eden is my domain.

http://www.history-book.net/maps/edin.png

Wait! Do you mean to tell me that humans are all Iranians? Nooooooooooooo!:eek:

That's what Spore is for. Have at em, tiger. ^^

What fun is messing with mother nature if I can't watch the results stalk you around your neghborhood? :D

What fun is messing with mother nature if I can't watch the results stalk you around your neghborhood? :D

Don't worry. Pray to Eris, Goddess of Chaos, and I'm sure she'll bring them to life.

Don't worry. Pray to Eris, Goddess of Chaos, and I'm sure she'll bring them to life.

Unless she feels messing w/ the prayee as more fun.

May Eris ride w/ you, just not in the same car.

I can't believe I read that whole article.

Why do critics of evolution so rarely grasp the concept of variation?

I can't believe I read that whole article.

Why do critics of evolution so rarely grasp the concept of variation?

It's more of an inability/unwillingness to grasp basic science or a desire to push their own personal beliefs as "fact".

Variation is much higher on the "lack of knowledge scale".

Resulting in evolutionist that can't think of anything better to say, so they resort to character attacks about someone they don't even know. :rolleyes:

I can think of plenty of intelligent things to say regarding this debate, but chose not to, since you've already demonstrated on multiple occasions that even if beaten with a bat of empirical fact you'd still claim the resulting bruises were put there by your god. It is impossible to debate with someone such as yourself because you are not operating on the same basic axioms as I am. It'd be a pointless exercise - which I demonstrated by expressing myself as pooping in your coffee. That's about as much grace as I can show you.

I said Evolution is a lie because it has never been proven but there are some who make it sound like it is a fact.

And there lies the problem. Your statement contains an untruth. "Evolution is a lie because it has never been proven."

Really? if I say...
"Tomorrow I will win the lottery".. thats not a lie, its a undetermined fact. I may or may not, but it cannot be a lie. A lie is a misrepresentation of past facts or reality. Now If I say "Yesterday I won the lottery".. thats a lie. I know it, but more importantly, it can be verified.

Likewise, to say "god is real" cannot be called a lie, because we cannot test it, so dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

So we come back to Evolution. A true scientist will never say "Evolution is true, or fact", because It cannot ever be proven truly. but science is not concerned with this.

In science, it is permissible to proceed under the assumption that a shaky idea is correct, so long as you are prepared to accept the fact that it may be proven false at any instance. In this regard, it is the opposite of faith.. scepticism.

But scepticism in science does not equate scepticism in god. Many scientists believe in god, and have taken his teachings in the bible to heart. They understand that he has more to show them, and this time, he will teach them through what they see in the microscopes, telescopes and other measuring devices of the modern world.

When the scientist finds that a theory has been disproven, he doesnt see it as if creation is a lie, but rather that his understanding of it is flawed; that he is human, and doesnt quite get the lesson.

Some scientists have chosen to operate under the assumption that god doesnt exist. That is true. But any true scientist is more than willing to entertain the notion that god is out there.

But.. because they know they lack any reasonable tool for refining their measurement of the existance of god, they chose to set that aside from their mundane daily work. They separate the study of theology and science, but neither thwarts the other.

Because what I see science is about is becoming knowledgable of all of creation, and that theology is about becoming closer to creation. They are one and the same goal in the end. To open ourselves to the infinite!

I can't believe I read that whole article.

Why do critics of evolution so rarely grasp the concept of variation?

Because by and large, if you compared their mental faculties to that of a turnip, it would be deeply, deeply insulting. They're at least on the level of lime Jell-O.

The link you are looking for is called Aegyptopithicus.

I can think of plenty of intelligent things to say regarding this debate, but chose not to, since you've already demonstrated on multiple occasions that even if beaten with a bat of empirical fact you'd still claim the resulting bruises were put there by your god. It is impossible to debate with someone such as yourself because you are not operating on the same basic axioms as I am. It'd be a pointless exercise - which I demonstrated by expressing myself as pooping in your coffee. That's about as much grace as I can show you. I posted the same thought many pages back but I told that if we don't fight back the creationists and IDer's will get their way and have their non-science taught in schools....good point I thought....so I gave them what they asked for examples of "non-homo sapians with human hands" two examples no less...you would think that would have been enough but no, they tell me to "prove it":rolleyes: WTF!.....give them the evidence and they go into denial mode there is no teaching those that refuse to learn.....which brings up what I'll call the "adams rib contridiction", where religious types refuse to believe that men and women have the same number of ribs(12) even when they count the ribs themselves, because it conflicts their bible teachings.:confused:

I posted the same thought many pages back but I told that if we don't fight back the creationists and IDer's will get their way and have their non-science taught in schools....good point I thought....so I gave them what they asked for examples of "non-homo sapians with human hands" two examples no less...you would think that would have been enough but no, they tell me to "prove it":rolleyes: WTF!.....give them the evidence and they go into denial mode there is no teaching those that refuse to learn.....which brings up what I'll call the "adams rib contridiction", where religious types refuse to believe that men and women have the same number of ribs(12) even when they count the ribs themselves, because it conflicts their bible teachings.:confused:

I have ribs that go up to 11...

I love that movie.

I posted the same thought many pages back but I told that if we don't fight back the creationists and IDer's will get their way and have their non-science taught in schools....good point I thought....so I gave them what they asked for examples of "non-homo sapians with human hands" two examples no less...you would think that would have been enough but no, they tell me to "prove it":rolleyes: WTF!.....give them the evidence and they go into denial mode there is no teaching those that refuse to learn.....which brings up what I'll call the "adams rib contridiction", where religious types refuse to believe that men and women have the same number of ribs(12) even when they count the ribs themselves, because it conflicts their bible teachings.:confused:


I don't want schools to stop teaching science, I want them to start teaching creationism so the sutdents can make up their own minds.

I don't want schools to stop teaching science, I want them to start teaching creationism so the sutdents can make up their own minds.
Creationism isn't science. I don't teach math in English class. I don't teach sewing in English class. I don't teach social studies in English class. I don't teach anything but English in an English class because MY English classes are for me to teach ENGLISH.

So why do you feel that something that isn't remotely a science belongs in a science class?

I don't want schools to stop teaching science, I want them to start teaching creationism so the sutdents can make up their own minds.


Don't your schools have religion classes ?

Mine did, that's where the muslim, christian, jewish, budhist, shinto etc stories where explained to me.


Besides, if you want to learn about religion, you can always go to church.

Don't your schools have religion classes ?

Mine did, that's where the muslim, christian, jewish, budhist, shinto etc stories where explained to me.


Besides, if you want to learn about religion, you can always go to church.


Christianity is not allowed in American Schools, you can't even pray in a school even if it is your belief.

Christianity is not allowed in American Schools, you can't even pray in a school even if it is your belief.



Thats just wrong!

Christianity is not allowed in American Schools, you can't even pray in a school even if it is your belief.

Why would you need to pray in school ? Didn't study for the big test or something ?

Besides, what does praying have to do with teaching science and/or religion, we certainly didn't pray in any class.

Christianity is not allowed in American Schools, you can't even pray in a school even if it is your belief.

You can pray. Just not if you are a teacher or other employe. When you have your moment of silence is when you can do whatever you want.

You can pray. Just not if you are a teacher or other employe. When you have your moment of silence is when you can do whatever you want.

Can you pray out loud?

Can you pray out loud?
Yes, as long as it is not during lesson time or used to annoy other students. Christianity or other religions are not banned from the school, it's just that the school is banned from promoting it.

Yes, as long as it is not during lesson time or used to annoy other students. Christianity or other religions are not banned from the school, it's just that the school is banned from promoting it.

Glad to hear it, I have heard many agruements over whether or not it should be allowed in school.

Anyone should be able to pray in school, regardless of their religion.

Glad to hear it, I have heard many agruements over whether or not it should be allowed in school.
It is what the law states.

You can pray out loud, just as long as you do not disrupt classes or use your prayers to harrass others. You can read your Bible in class under the same conditions.

Schools just cannot lead prayer, promote one religion over another, provide money or supplies for religious events, or ban religion.

Glad to hear it, I have heard many agruements over whether or not it should be allowed in school.

If it is not an official ceremony lead by the teacher but done in your breaktime - I do not see why you should not be allowed to pray.

I do hope you do not mind people that adhere to other religions to pray out loud too by the way ? Even if their religion is offensive to you ?

Anyone should be able to pray in school, regardless of their religion.

I agree

If it is not an official ceremony lead by the teacher but done in your breaktime - I do not see why you should not be allowed to pray.

I do hope you do not mind people that adhere to other religions to pray out loud too by the way ? Even if their religion is offensive to you ?


No problem

Anyone should be able to pray in school, regardless of their religion.

No-one should be able to pray in school, regardless of their religion.
Religion must be kept out of schools while education about religions must be brought into schools.

No-one should be able to pray in school, regardless of their religion.
Religion must be kept out of schools while education about religions must be brought into schools.


I disagree

I don't want schools to stop teaching science, I want them to start teaching creationism so the sutdents can make up their own minds.

Why should schools teach your religion? Why not teach the creation story according to Native American tribes? Or how about creation according to the Australian aboriginees. What's so special about your brand of ignorant superstition and lies?

Christianity is not allowed in American Schools, you can't even pray in a school even if it is your belief.

Bullshit. Student led prayers have been supported by the ACLU and upheld by courts. Stop playing the victim as you victimize the rest of us you fucking hypocrite.

Can you pray out loud?

Yes you can. At the appropriate time and place. You can't start yelling about Jeezus in the middle of a test, but you can pray when it doesn't interrupt teaching or learning.

I agree

I'd love to see the look on your face if you stumbled into a classroom where satanists were conducting a ceremony during their free period.

Bullshit. Student led prayers have been supported by the ACLU and upheld by courts. Stop playing the victim as you victimize the rest of us you fucking hypocrite.


I must insist you don't use language like that, name calling is very juvenile.

I must insist you don't use language like that, name calling is very juvenile.

I called you a hypocrite. It's not a name, it's a description of your attitude. You play the victim while trying to indoctrinate others into your religion using the power of the government. It's like a serial killer complaining that the guards in prison are mean.

I called you a hypocrite. It's not a name, it's a description of your attitude. You play the victim while trying to indoctrinate others into your religion using the power of the government. It's like a serial killer complaining that the guards in prison are mean.

You don't know what you are talking about ... so stop talking

You don't know what you are talking about ... so stop talking

If that is the best rebuttal(if you can even call it that) that you can come up with, then this debate is over.

If that is the best rebuttal(if you can even call it that) that you can come up with, then this debate is over.


You promise ... that is the idea

You don't know what you are talking about ... so stop talking

Genius.

If that is the best rebuttal(if you can even call it that) that you can come up with, then this debate is over.

This debate never started. He ignored all evidence presented and just responded when people got personal with him.

I simply tire of this conversation

This debate never started. He ignored all evidence presented and just responded when people got personal with him.

As all creationists do, because they cannot back up their statements with something more substantial than "god said so".

This debate never started. He ignored all evidence presented and just responded when people got personal with him.
Good point, and this:

You don't know what you are talking about ... so stop talking

You promise ... that is the idea

is the worst bit of defense I have ever heard in my 2 odd years at NS.

I simply tire of this conversation

Being wrong so consistently and so often can weary anybody. I say: splash some cold water on your face, eat some Wheaties, down some Gatorade and come back swinging.

You don't know what you are talking about ... so stop talking

Then educate him. Or me.
I assume you do think it noble to try and save souls ?

As all creationists do, because they cannot back up their statements with something more substantial than "god said so".


I don't need to back up my opinion & beliefs because I have the same right to them as you do to yours.

I simply tire of this conversation

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Please Mary

I don't need to back up my opinion & beliefs because I have the same right to them as you do to yours.

Please post your opinions and beliefs like this in the future. That way nobody has to see them and be provoked into responding to your pointless posts.

I don't need to back up my opinion & beliefs because I have the same right to them as you do to yours.

Sure. But in order to be considered worth anything at all you need to back them up. An opinion without basis has no value in my eyes.

Of course, that also is an opinion.

Please Mary

You just leave Jesus' mom out of this. She has enough to worry about, what with being a single mother and all.

You just leave Jesus' mom out of this. She has enough to worry about, what with being a single mother and all.

Did Josef not stay around to take care of the kid even though it was not his own ?

Did Josef not stay around to take care of the kid even though it was not his own ?

You think that bum stuck around? It ain't like that in the hood, son.

You just leave Jesus' mom out of this. She has enough to worry about, what with being a single mother and all.



I wasn't referring to Jesus mother ...

You think that bum stuck around? It ain't like that in the hood, son.

Aww - I always thought of him as a nice and decent guy :(
Aside: was his wife raped, did she cheat on him or did he give permission for the out of wedlock fertilisation ? That never was clear to me.

I wasn't referring to Jesus mother ...

You were referring to the whore, then? Look, she doesn't just come whenever you want her. You go through the proper channels. She ain't no street walker. We're talking upper class callgirl here.

Aww - I always thought of him as a nice and decent guy :(
Aside: was his wife raped, did she cheat on him or did he give permission for the out of wedlock fertilisation ? That never was clear to me.

She said no. But God is the ultimate being. He knew she meant yes.

I don't need to back up my opinion & beliefs because I have the same right to them as you do to yours.

Good. Now you go have your opinions elsewhere and stop trolling.