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Evolution has not been proven!

http://www.draaisma.net/rudi/homanus/the_missing_link.html

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Think about it. ;)

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Try it again ... I fixed it

And that's why it's called a 'theory!'

I'm a missing link!

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It does tell us it may be possible to find clues to finding the missing links at microsoft.
That explains so much ;)

Whatever way you see it, the fact remains: no hands....no pants!

Evolution has not been proven!

That is correct. It is still unclear how homo sapiens evolved while some just could not live up to the second part of this designation...

It does tell us it may be possible to find clues to finding the missing links at microsoft.
That explains so much ;)


Ape hands are differant from Human hands.

That is correct. It is still unclear how homo sapiens evolved while some just could not live up to the second part of this designation...

Thats why I believe in Creationism

Thats why I believe in Creationism

I was talking about folks like YOU...

Ape hands are differant from Human hands.

Ape noses are different from human noses.


Hmmm... I see.



God did it!

Thats why I believe in Creationism

That is a non-sequitor. What makes creationism better than the millions of other theories ?

That is a non-sequitur. What makes creationism better than the millions of other theories ?

The dollars of Mid America!

That is a non-sequitur. What makes creationism better than the millions of other theories ?

One true God. Millions of false Gods.

Why would anyone pray to a false God anyway? Christ, read a Bible.

Try reading the article before you make a comment

I'm a missing link!

technically, yes.

There is no such thing as a "missing link" because evolution is a gradual process. In other words, there is no clear deliniation between where our common ancestor stopped being one species and became "protohuman" and "protochimp"

however, there is a case of evolution currently happening large scale in England.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9E0CEFDA1639F931A15751C1A964958260

technically, yes.

There is no such thing as a "missing link" because evolution is a gradual process. In other words, there is no clear deliniation between where our common ancestor stopped being one species and became "protohuman" and "protochimp"

however, there is a case of evolution currently happening large scale in England.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9E0CEFDA1639F931A15751C1A964958260


Evolution is a lie

Evolution is a lie

nice assertion. Now, prove it. Oh, and maybe atleast pretend you read the article...

Evolution is a lie

Possibly, though it is a damn good one.
That still does not explain why you believe in Creationism and not one of the other millions of theories. Can you prove they are all lies too ?

nice assertion. Now, prove it.

Darwin wasn't wearing pants because he had monkey hands.

Thats why I believe in Creationism

Creationism not only hasn't been proven, but it contradicts all the evidence available and it's not even science. It's theology. You're welcome to believe that some invisible man in the sky made everything in six days, but some of us find that idea kind of laughable.

nice assertion. Now, prove it.

You need to prove Evolution, a theory is just that. So why are people acting like Evolution has been proven.

Ape hands are differant from Human hands.

And that means nothing.

Humans have the remains of a tail bone.

What is the purpose of the appendix?

however, there is a case of evolution currently happening large scale in England.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9E0CEFDA1639F931A15751C1A964958260

I thought that was gonna be a thing about chav's before I clicked on it!:D

Evolution is a lie

Ok prove it.

Darwin wasn't wearing pants because he had monkey hands.

Show some intelligence ... prove Evolution to me! If you can.

Creationism not only hasn't been proven, but it contradicts all the evidence available and it's not even science. It's theology. You're welcome to believe that some invisible man in the sky made everything in six days, but some of us find that idea kind of laughable.

QFDCDKTSOOCA (quote for Drunk Commies Deleted kicking the shit out of creationist's asses).

Show some intelligence ... prove Evolution to me! If you can.

Prove the bible to me, if you can.

You need to prove Evolution, a theory is just that. So why are people acting like Evolution has been proven.

Thank you. Thank you for showing how little you know about actual science.

After about 20 seconds of reading I spotted the first typo. That site sucks.

You need to prove Evolution, a theory is just that. So why are people acting like Evolution has been proven.

Cos there's lots of evidence to support the theory of evolution. Whereas there is NO EVIDENCE to support creation. Why are you acting like creation has been proven?:rolleyes:

You need to prove Evolution, a theory is just that. So why are people acting like Evolution has been proven.

Somebody doesn't understand what a theory means.

You need to prove Evolution, a theory is just that. So why are people acting like Evolution has been proven.

Actually, you need to prove it doesn't exist. You made the assertion that evolution is a lie, and therefore, in this debate, the burden of proof lies on you. Additionally, according to the scientific theory, nothing can be "proven". You can only lend evidence to it. That is why a theory must be FALSIFIABLE.

Gravity is also a theory. So is just about everything else in the world. Hell, it is a "theory" that every time you flip a light switch, a specific light will turn on.

And that means nothing.

Humans have the remains of a tail bone.

What is the purpose of the appendix?

We recently found that the purpose of the appendix was to make raw meat edible and keep us from dying of undercooked food. We have since then grown to no longer need it as we've grown intelligent enough to not eat raw animal flesh after we hunt it down with a flint spear.

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t304/T304870A.jpg
:)

You need to prove Evolution, a theory is just that. So why are people acting like Evolution has been proven.

You do not understand how science operates. Science is not about proving things right, it is about failing to prove them wrong despite many, many tests.

Evolution can be tested. It has sofar survived every test, though details had to be adapted as the tests revealed new information. It is indeed quite possible that one day it will be shown that evolution is wrong - but do you agree that something that simply works for whatever you test it on is at the very least a useful approximation ?

You need to prove Evolution, a theory is just that. So why are people acting like Evolution has been proven.

Because of stupid things like development of antibiotics.

Here, do some basic reading:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t304/T304870A.jpg
:)

Uncle Jim?!

Show some intelligence ... prove Evolution to me! If you can.

Don'twanna.

Because of stupid things like development of antibiotics.

You mean "Gods divine creations to aid humanity".

We recently found that the purpose of the appendix was to make raw meat edible and keep us from dying of undercooked food. We have since then grown to no longer need it as we've grown intelligent enough to not eat raw animal flesh after we hunt it down with a flint spear.

Really?

You have a link?

Last I heard it was thought to have been involved with plant matter......

You mean "Gods divine creations to aid humanity".

I'm losing track of the boundaries of my sarcasm. But I'm inclined to agree with you.

Really?

You have a link?

Last I heard it was thought to have been involved with plant matter......

That's what I thought :confused:

Ok prove it.


My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?

Don'twanna.


Because it can't be proven!

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?

Then why are you trying to taint your faith with science? Trying to prove faith by Earthly means was something Jesus discouraged. Or so I thought.

Because it can't be proven!

Nojustdon'twanna.

I'm a missing link!

But not the one you need to prove evolution :D

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?

You've been fooled. Satan likes to trick the faitful into following his evil ways. Often he does this by granting them magical powers, like healing the sick. I can tell you're not saved. It comes through in your writing. Saved people are humble. I'll pray for your soul, because you've got a demon in you and can't pray for yourself.

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need.

Good. You are now actually providing reasons to believe in Creationism, instead of just attacking one out of millions of opponents and then pretending you have defeated them all.

Keep up the good work :)

Think about it .... what if I am correct?
What if another religion is ?

That is correct. It is still unclear how homo sapiens evolved while some just could not live up to the second part of this designation...

They didn't ... they were created by God

Evolution has not been proven!

http://www.draaisma.net/rudi/homanus/the_missing_link.html

*insert "Aw, geez, not this shit again!" pic here*

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?

Thank you. I hope your faith brings all the comfort and happiness you need. And I also hope that just as I do not attack your faith, you will refrain from trying to discredit science in the future.

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?

You have no proof, ok that's all we needed to know.;)

Because it can't be proven!

At the very least, I proved your OP wrong. I posted a picture of a chimpanzee, our closest genetic relative, using tools.

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t304/T304870A.jpg
:)

I don't see what our Commander in Chief has to do with this thread...









:p

Think about it .... what if I am correct?

Chances are you aren't.

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?

There is your mistake.

Evolution has never set out to prove or disprove the existence of God(s).

It can't.

The very fact that you can't devise a test to prove or disprove the existence let alone the involvement of a supreme being disallows Creationism in science.

Nothing says it can't be a Religious theory. It's just not science.

It does tell us it may be possible to find clues to finding the missing links at microsoft.
That explains so much ;)

As messed up as Windows is, now you ask me to believe that Bill Gates can prove Evolution :rolleyes: :p

But not the one you need to prove evolution :D
I dunno... sometimes I'm pretty stupid, and, let's be honest, an offensive twat, with an irrational hatred of the US.

So I'm somewhere between a chimp and a fully fledged person.

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?
So here is your logic.

God created the heavens and the earth.
God created man
God had man write down his words into what became the Bible

So, the Bible must be true because it is Gods word, and God says that his word is always true. As evidence of this, we have the Bible, which says that Gods word is always true. But the bible was written by God. But that means it has to be true, because Gods word is always true.

I could continue that for days because it is circular.

Additionally, you cannot refute science with religion. It inherently fails, same as you can't disprove literature with science. Creationism and evolution are not mutually exclusive.

And yet again, additionally, YOU have the burden of proof. You made the assertion that evolution is false. Therefore, since you made the assertion, you have to prove your side, and it is our job to refute it.

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?
Where did the children of Cain and Abel come from?

The Bible clearly supports incest!

Anyway, more to the point - faith doesn't prove anything at all scientifically.

Because it can't be proven!

You really need a science course.

As messed up as Windows is, now you ask me to believe that Bill Gates can prove Evolution :rolleyes: :p

I personally don't believe Bill Gates can tie his own shoes. With his money, I bet he has people who do that for him.

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?

If you were correct, you should get your own tv show...

Really?

You have a link?

Last I heard it was thought to have been involved with plant matter......

Hm. I remember it was some sort of "ask yahoo!" link on msn.com, but now that I search for it again there's other reasons:

http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=000CAE56-7201-1C71-9EB7809EC588F2D7&catID=3&topicID=12

http://ask.yahoo.com/19991118.html (bottom paragraph, on the editor's note)

I don't see what our Commander in Chief has to do with this thread...









:p

Oh, shit. I thought that was a chimp. Now I can see it is Bush. Here, I'm pretty sure this is a chimp using a tool to get termites out of a stick.

http://www.wildchimps.org/wcf/images/chimp_ameisen.jpg

I don't see what our Commander in Chief has to do with this thread...

:p

Stop insulting Chimps! What have they done to you!

Thats why I believe in Creationism

thas so vuage; i mean everything had to be created and the force or being that did it would be the creator and the event of being created would be creation i bet there is not one person on the planet that dosen't belive in creation even the most liberal atheistic scientist.

Oh, shit. I thought that was a chimp. Now I can see it is Bush. Here, I'm pretty sure this is a chimp using a tool to get termites out of a stick.

http://www.wildchimps.org/wcf/images/chimp_ameisen.jpg

What has the first lady ever done to you?

Ape noses are different from human noses.


Hmmm... I see.



God did it!

Actually, the article, from what I understood it, talked mostly about how to classify early humans, and using the "human" hand as more a for human ancestors than other methods.

Where did the children of Cain and Abel come from?

Abel had no children. Post-mortem insamination wasn't known back then...

The Bible clearly supports incest!

Ever thought about why devout people are so ... "special" ?

That is a non-sequitor. What makes creationism better than the millions of other theories ?

It isn't a theory, God is it's Author, he doesn't lie. All the theories were written by men ... Point made.

Actually, the article, from what I understood it, talked mostly about how to classify early humans, and using the "human" hand as more a for human ancestors than other methods.

Or you can take the article seriously and not make cheap jokes about it. Less fun but to each his own.

I personally don't believe Bill Gates can tie his own shoes. With his money, I bet he has people who do that for him.
I bet he wears slip-ons.

And yes, East of Eden, I always thought it might be that ;)

It isn't a theory, God is it's Author, he doesn't lie. All the theories were written by men ... Point made.

Yes, he lies. He says that rabbits chew their cud. They don't, ergo God lies.

Stop insulting Chimps! What have they done to you!

You're right, that really isn't fair to the chimps, being compared to...*shudder*


Sorry, chimps! :(

Also, I despise the OP.



No, really. Him, and everyone like him. Those who blindly believe anything and blindly shut out the truth in lieu of their own bastardized version of a religion.


Fucking despise. No joke.

Carry on.

It isn't a theory, God is it's Author, he doesn't lie. All the theories were written by men ... Point made.

God should have made an outline first. Unless that was just his first draft? It seems a bit long to be going through a re-write.

Or you can take the article seriously and not make cheap jokes about it. Less fun but to each his own.

I like to have fun too, but not at the Lords expense.

It isn't a theory, God is it's Author, he doesn't lie. All the theories were written by men ... Point made.

You're a horrible person, you know that?

You don't know that god was its author. You have proof that it was written by human hand, yet you insist, with no incentive other than to be right on your own grounds, that it was divinely inspired.

God I really really hate you. You. Yes, you. Pointing at you, Kormanthor. I dislike you to a high degree.

thas so vuage; i mean everything had to be created and the force or being that did it would be the creator and the event of being created would be creation i bet there is not one person on the planet that dosen't belive in creation even the most liberal atheistic scientist.

despite the fact that the creation of the universe has nothing to do with evolution, I'll bite.

It has been shown that in a pure vacuum, matter spontaneously generates and destroys itself. Given enough time, it is fully logical and rational that the big bang would literally self generate.

there is also the fun of string theory and the like.

mind you, I'm not the most knowlegeable on this stuff.

It isn't a theory, God is it's Author, he doesn't lie. All the theories were written by men ... Point made.

Not really. Many of the other theories were also passed on by God. Of course, that God called itself Atum, Allah, Kaos, Krishna, FSM or whatever religion you wish to pick. Even within Christianity itself there are many differing opinions on how to read Genesis.

Are all those theories equally true ?

Aside: marvellous troll ;)

I like to have fun too, but not at the Lords expense.

The Lord knows when I'm joking or He's not the Lord or He doesn't exist.

God should have made an outline first. Unless that was just his first draft? It seems a bit long to be going through a re-write.


Oh now you are an expert in Language and Journalism right?

I like to have fun too, but not at the Lords expense.

The Lord, and Buddah walked into a bar. Thor ducked.

The Bible says Pi=3.

Oh now you are an expert in Language and Journalism right?

You mean, unlike you?

Oh now you are an expert in Language and Journalism right?

I can write a story that doesn't start to contradict itself beginning on the first page.

The Lord, and Buddah walked into a bar. Thor ducked.


Buddah can't walk because he isn't real and Thor is a comic book hero.

Oh now you are an expert in Language and Journalism right?

The Bible says Joseph (step father of Jesus) had two daddies.

It isn't a theory, God is it's Author, he doesn't lie. All the theories were written by men ... Point made.

Like I said. You "know" god is the author because God said so. That is circular logic, and fails in the realms of science.

Also, if God is omnipotent, omnicient, and the like, then he knew that evolution would be created, and could have stopped it. Therefore, it is part of Gods design.

Okay, maybe it's late in the day and I'm tired, but with more than 2200 posts under your belt, Kormanthor, what sort of reception did you expect for a thread trying to trash evolution? Especially, I might add, on a day when there's already been pages and pages in another thread on the same subject. If your object was to promote your faith in the God of Christianity as the Creator of the Universe and all in it, why didn't you say so at the start, rather than waiting until four pages in? I have nothing against people who are devout in their beliefs, but I do resent them disguising themselves with pseudo-science while trying to proselytize. It's rude.

Or you can take the article seriously and not make cheap jokes about it. Less fun but to each his own.

Well, I was kind of referring to the fact that you made a sarcastic comment on the fact that the hands are what differentiate hominids from non-hominid ancestors, and you claiming the since the nose are different, that "God Did It" seemed to be either A)A sarcastic comment to the OP, or B)A sarcastic Comment to the Article.

I had assumed B at the time I made the post, was simply stating that the article only tried to give a good criteria as to what makes a hominid and what does not, and did not try to push any agenda one way or the other.

Infact, upon closer inspection, this article has nothing at all to do with the OP's claim.

Odd.

thas so vuage; i mean everything had to be created and the force or being that did it would be the creator and the event of being created would be creation i bet there is not one person on the planet that dosen't belive in creation even the most conservative atheistic scientist.

Edited for senseability;)

The force being nature then sure. But even if things were created bible-stylee, that still doesn't prevent evolution from occurring. I don't see how people can be so naieve (spp?) to think this way when we see things like the flu-virus constantly changing, and resistance to poison in rodents etc.etc.

The Bible says Joseph (step father of Jesus) had two daddies.

Jesus also had two Daddies. Three if you count the angel bringing the seed.

The Bible says Pi=3.

Yeah, that's why the Israelites invented their chariots later than all others: because they couldn't get the wheels round...

despite the fact that the creation of the universe has nothing to do with evolution, I'll bite.

It has been shown that in a pure vacuum, matter spontaneously generates and destroys itself. Given enough time, it is fully logical and rational that the big bang would literally self generate.

there is also the fun of string theory and the like.

mind you, I'm not the most knowlegeable on this stuff.

Also, why is it so hard to imagine the big bang just happening, as it is so acceptable that god was "just there. Yeah, he's always just been there forever. Nothing created him." - either way, something comes from nothing. Something had to be the thing that created everything, be it the big bang or god, but the big bang has proof in vacuums.

The Lord, and Buddah walked into a bar. Thor ducked.
Heh...

Adam and Eve walk into a bar... you would have thought one of them'd have seen it!

I can write a story that doesn't start to contradict itself beginning on the first page.


Could you write a story describing modern events using the understanding of men in Jesus days on Earth? I think not.

Well, I was kind of referring to the fact that you made a sarcastic comment on the fact that the hands are what differentiate hominids from non-hominid ancestors, and you claiming the since the nose are different, that "God Did It" seemed to be either A)A sarcastic comment to the OP, or B)A sarcastic Comment to the Article.

I had assumed B at the time I made the post, was simply stating that the article only tried to give a good criteria as to what makes a hominid and what does not, and did not try to push any agenda one way or the other.

Infact, upon closer inspection, this article has nothing at all to do with the OP's claim.

Odd.

Yes.

Buddah can't walk because he isn't real and Thor is a comic book hero.

The Lord can't walk because he's got holes in his feet. So there.

Heh...

Adam and Eve walk into a bar... you would have thought one of them'd have seen it!


There is no bar in the Garden of Eden

Jesus also had two Daddies. Three if you count the angel bringing the seed.

What seed?

Buddah can't walk because he isn't real and Thor is a comic book hero.

Actually, the Buddha did exist. His name was Siddhartha Gautama.

Buddha =/= a god. Learn your religions before you debunk them.

Buddah can't walk because he isn't real and Thor is a comic book hero.

No, there's actual evidence that buddha was once a man. Siddartha Gautama, was it? Yeah, he was a person. Whether he became a buddha is another story, but he definitely existed.

There is no bar in the Garden of Eden

Weren't Adam and Eve kicked out ;) ?

There is no bar in the Garden of Eden

How do you know? Were you there? There was a nice Irish pub, actually.

Buddah can't walk because he isn't real
Buddah = a real person.
Thor is a comic book hero.
Thor = a viking God, no less relevant than your one.

Now for another vaguely offensive joke -

Two people jump off a cliff - a fundie and an atheist - who hits the ground first?

The atheist, the fundie has to pray for direction :p

There is no bar in the Garden of Eden

Okay, that's it.

At this point, I'm just gonna call bullshit on you and proclaim you to TROLL status. Level 2 Troll, to be exact. Congrats.

Weren't Adam and Eve kicked out ;) ?

Yeah. They were flagged for getting drunk and stealing fruit.

Ape hands are differant from Human hands.

But essentially come from a common ancestor. Opposable thumbs, structures and all :)

What seed?

The Angels? Mary conceived from the Holy Sprit. The Angels had nothing to do with it

Could you write a story describing modern events using the understanding of men in Jesus days on Earth? I think not.

What? Could I describe modern events using the knowledge of Jesus' day? I'm not sure. I probably wouldn't have said that Jesus would return within the apostles lifetime, though. That would have been too easily debunked within my own lifetime. I don't much like being stoned to death.

There is no bar in the Garden of Eden
BOOORING!

How else were they supposed to amuse themselves?

There is no bar in the Garden of Eden

Hey now, Eden is my domain.

http://www.history-book.net/maps/edin.png

What seed?

I happen to believe that the Angel that spoke to Mary had a little somethin'somethin in his pocket.

The Angels? Mary conceived from the Holy Sprit. The Angels had nothing to do with it

One more reason to keep one's teenage daughters out of church. They could end up catching the holy spirit. Then you're stuck raising god's bastard kid. Stop teenage pregnancy, keep teen girls out of church.

BOOORING!

How else were they supposed to amuse themselves?

Sex ?

The Angels? Mary conceived from the Holy Sprit. The Angels had nothing to do with it

The talk was about Joseph's daddies.

Okay, I'm a bit confused here. Could someone stop the spam, and please explain to me these two bits:

A)Was the OP serious with his claim?
B)What did the OP's claim have ANYTHING to do with the article he presented, as it did not talk at all about a "missing link" between pre-hominids and hominids.

Thanks for the time.

The talk was about Joseph's daddies.

Daddies abounded. Daddies here and there and everywhere.

My FAITH is all the proof I need, you say I need to prove that God exists because without God creationism wouldn't be possible. I have experience healing by praying to Jesus. That makes him real to me. The scriptures say that Jesus healed people when he was on Earth. He still heals people here on Earth even though he is no longer here. The scripture also says that God created the Heavens and the Earth and placed Man & Woman upon it. That is all the proof I need. Think about it .... what if I am correct?

ok first of all you can belive what you want i'm not trying to change your mind but i will state that the reason the scripturew says that is beacuse the people that wrote the scripture wern't shure of how man came to be. so they guessed. besides you shoulden base your belifes off a system like a certen religon (that is wher the worlds problems come from) when people want you to belive the same a they do. you should decide for your self what you belive and that should be able to change this dosen't mean you shoulden't worship. my view is that is it is bad to know how the world works because you can't (see below) but it is ok to have a pretty good idea.



below: 1000 years ago everyone knew the world was flat and had 4 continents. 500 years ago everyone knew the world was flat and had 6 continents. and now everyone knows the world is round and has seven continents.think what everyone will know tomorow.

Yeah. They were flagged for getting drunk and stealing fruit.

And Adam peed on the unicorn.

The Angels? Mary conceived from the Holy Sprit. The Angels had nothing to do with it

I suppose you should keep your daughters and wives away from churches and christian concerts in which they raise their hands up and proclaim to have "felt the holy spirit" =P

Sex ?
All that time and only two children?

Was Adam impotent or something?

Okay, I'm a bit confused here. Could someone stop the spam, and please explain to me these two bits:

A)Was the OP serious with his claim?
B)What did the OP's claim have ANYTHING to do with the article he presented, as it did not talk at all about a "missing link" between pre-hominids and hominids.

Thanks for the time.

Probably no to both. However, his arguments are a realistic representation of actual Creationist thinking.

One more reason to keep one's teenage daughters out of church. They could end up catching the holy spirit. Then you're stuck raising god's bastard kid. Stop teenage pregnancy, keep teen girls out of church.

Well, then, all there are left are teenage boys, and then we'd have God going all Catholic Priest on them.

All that time and only two children?

Was Adam impotent or something?

Possibly he preferred the animals and did not spend much time with Eve ?
Or, they were kicked when they were 14.

One more reason to keep one's teenage daughters out of church. They could end up catching the holy spirit. Then you're stuck raising god's bastard kid. Stop teenage pregnancy, keep teen girls out of church.

Maybe I should also a start a Condoms to Heaven Campaign. Somebody hook a Lord up with some rubbers.

Could you write a story describing modern events using the understanding of men in Jesus days on Earth? I think not.

Well if god is omniscient, then he should have known what the world was like in 2006 when he wrote the bible...

Possibly he preferred the animals and did not spend much time with Eve ?
Or, they were kicked when they were 14.

Or preferred the often-ignored Lilith? :p

All that time and only two children?

Was Adam impotent or something?

He was a Gay-American like former New Jersey governor Jim McGreevey. McGreevey got his wife knocked up twice too in order to keep up apperances.

Or preferred the often-ignored Lilith? :p

I love the story of Lilith. She just wanted to be on top.

All that time and only two children?

Was Adam impotent or something?

over three...

Okay, I'm a bit confused here. Could someone stop the spam, and please explain to me these two bits:

A)Was the OP serious with his claim?


I want to say no but he has done this before.....


B)What did the OP's claim have ANYTHING to do with the article he presented, as it did not talk at all about a "missing link" between pre-hominids and hominids.

Thanks for the time.

Nothing. I noticed that as well and figured he didn't even bother reading it. I bet he doesn't even know it's not completed yet.

Well if god is omniscient, then he should have known what the world was like in 2006 when he wrote the bible...

Yeah, but too bad it was -men- who wrote the bible. They had no idea. The book reflects that, and god looks like an idiot because of that.

Possibly he preferred the animals and did not spend much time with Eve ?
Other way around, perchance?

Eve being sort of like the Norse god Frejya (i.e. having a rather unsavoury relationship with horses, the type of which you can probably get videos of on Kazaa).
Or, they were kicked when they were 14.
You can get pregnant at 14, and you can make someone pregnant at 14. Generally.

Even on the normal world's surface, they'd have had to have been amusing themselves... hmm...

You can get pregnant at 14, and you can make someone pregnant at 14. Generally.

Yes, but more than twice at that age is a bit excessive ;)

BOOORING!

How else were they supposed to amuse themselves?

Sex?

Hey, this may be a bit Off Topic, but does god really answer prayers?

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8274/prayerparodyle6.jpg

I want to say no but he has done this before.....


Really? Maybe he is serious. I'd have to look at his other posts in other threads to make any judgement though. Either that, or he's a bot. :/


Nothing. I noticed that as well and figured he didn't even bother reading it. I bet he doesn't even know it's not completed yet.
Yeah, that's what bugs me. If he is serious, it's a horrible argument, if he isn't, it's actually rather annoying.

Yeah, but too bad it was -men- who wrote the bible. They had no idea. The book reflects that, and god looks like an idiot because of that.


God told them what to write, making him the Author. God is not the idiot, we are, because it seems at least some of us are either to stupid to understand or refuse to understand and wish to make everyone else doubt.

God told them what to write, making him the Author.

You assume people are capable of listening.

God told them what to write, making him the Author.

So why could't god figure out his own name?

God told them what to write, making him the Author.

The above sentence is the most scientific explanation I have ever seen in defense of the bible. Study these words.

So why could't god figure out his own name?

That's actually an easy one. His Mother never told Him.

God told them what to write, making him the Author.

Who taught you that load of bullshit and what proof do they have?

So why could't god figure out his own name?


I'm sure he knows his name, maybe he knew we could pronounce it.:p

Who taught you that load of bullshit and what proof do they have?


It was taught to me through the use of a little known book caled ... The Holy Bible. Maybe you have heard of it.

God told them what to write, making him the Author. God is not the idiot, we are, because it seems at least some of us are either to stupid to understand or refuse to understand and wish to make everyone else doubt.

Hold. Reverse it. Direct quote from you two pages back:

Could you write a story describing modern events using the understanding of men in Jesus days on Earth? I think not.


In one breath you seem to state that man wrote the bible, but in the next you claim God did. If God is all-powerful, he must be omniscient. So an omniscient God would know all, and thus would know intimately the deals of what is going on now before it ever happens. Thus if God knows what will happen, and he is the author of the Bible, he could easily have had those people right stories of the modern day. Explain these contradictory statements, please.

That's actually an easy one. His Mother never told Him.

Antu ?

That's actually an easy one. His Mother never told Him.

Maybe he keeps changing it, like when Puff Daddy became Puffy then P ditty, or when Prince became an unpronounceable symbol.

It was taught to me through the use of a little known book caled ... The Holy Bible. Maybe you have heard of it.

The book told you the book was written by god and was therefore the word of god because it was written by him because the book said so.

Why the hell does that make sense to you? This is a serious fucking question, I really want you to answer this. What got into your head that you started believing this circular bullshit sorry piece of shit excuse for logic?

I'm sure he knows his name, maybe he knew we could pronounce it.:p

Oh, I find En-ki pretty pronouncable.

Hold. Reverse it. Direct quote from you two pages back:


In one breath you seem to state that man wrote the bible, but in the next you claim God did. If God is all-powerful, he must be omniscient. So an omniscient God would know all, and thus would know intimately the deals of what is going on now before it ever happens. Thus if God knows what will happen, and he is the author of the Bible, he could easily have had those people right stories of the modern day. Explain these contradictory statements, please.

God doesn't live on Earth, so he told men what to write down. Making hin the Author, I believe this is the second time I have exp[lained this.

Hold. Reverse it. Direct quote from you two pages back:


In one breath you seem to state that man wrote the bible, but in the next you claim God did. If God is all-powerful, he must be omniscient. So an omniscient God would know all, and thus would know intimately the deals of what is going on now before it ever happens. Thus if God knows what will happen, and he is the author of the Bible, he could easily have had those people right stories of the modern day. Explain these contradictory statements, please.

God doesn't live on Earth, so he told men what to write down. Making hin the Author, I believe this is the second time I have explained this.

God doesn't live on Earth, so he told men what to write down. Making hin the Author, I believe this is the second time I have explained this.

Why did he trick them into making stupid mistakes, like writing that rabbits chew their cud or that insects have four legs? Maybe he didn't know they were mistakes. Did God fail biology? Is that why he didn't write about evolution in the bible?

God doesn't live on Earth, so he told men what to write down. Making hin the Author, I believe this is the second time I have exp[lained this.

Could you answer my question please? Because this statement makes it seem like you infact either didn't read or didn't answer it. I'm not going to repeat the question, as it is right there, in plain English, and this kind of answer is just beating around the Bush, and not answering anything whatsoever. Please, answer my question.

Could you answer my question please? Because this statement makes it seem like you infact either didn't read or didn't answer it. I'm not going to repeat the question, as it is right there, in plain English, and this kind of answer is just beating around the Bush, and not answering anything whatsoever. Please, answer my question.

Creationists are known for their tendency to dodge actual questions and ignore everything that proves them wrong.

Could you answer my question please? Because this statement makes it seem like you infact either didn't read or didn't answer it. I'm not going to repeat the question, as it is right there, in plain English, and this kind of answer is just beating around the Bush, and not answering anything whatsoever. Please, answer my question.

He believes that the bible tells about what is happening in modern times. Which is a fine belief that I wish more people would keep to themselves.

Still waiting for the justification of Joseph having 2 daddies.

He believes that the bible tells about what is happening in modern times. Which is a fine belief that I wish more people would keep to themselves.

Well it just seems odd to me that he would claim this:


Could you write a story describing modern events using the understanding of men in Jesus days on Earth? I think not.


And then a few posts later this:


God told them what to write, making him the Author. God is not the idiot, we are, because it seems at least some of us are either to stupid to understand or refuse to understand and wish to make everyone else doubt.


These two comments appear contradictory, as first he said that the writers of the Bible could not write stories of modern times with the understanding of the time, however in the next he claims that God had men write the Bible, and thus God, being omniscient, would easily have them write stories of modern times.

Well it just seems odd to me that he would claim this:



And then a few posts later this:



These two comments appear contradictory, as first he said that the writers of the Bible could not write stories of modern times with the understanding of the time, however in the next he claims that God had men write the Bible, and thus God, being omniscient, would easily have them write stories of modern times.
Ah.

Can't help you. I think he's just saying things.

Did the troll split? Too bad. Reminded me a little of the old Jesussaves days.

The book told you the book was written by god and was therefore the word of god because it was written by him because the book said so.

Why the hell does that make sense to you? This is a serious fucking question, I really want you to answer this. What got into your head that you started believing this circular bullshit sorry piece of shit excuse for logic?

You know, it's funny. I haven't met a single person, regardless of their metaphysical beliefs, that didn't ultimately resort to a form of circular logic in their belief system. Most of them didn't even realize they were doing it. Those who did simply accepted it.

Ah.

Can't help you. I think he's just saying things.

Of course. Hence, horrible person. Hence, horrible train of thought. Hence, horrible affect on society with his narrow mind and inability to cope with reality and the evidence therein.

You know, it's funny. I haven't met a single person, regardless of their metaphysical beliefs, that didn't ultimately resort to a form of circular logic in their belief system. Most of them didn't even realize they were doing it. Those who did simply accepted it.

Yeah, you, you're a Moderator. You probably created the world. :D

You know, it's funny. I haven't met a single person, regardless of their metaphysical beliefs, that didn't ultimately resort to a form of circular logic in their belief system. Most of them didn't even realize they were doing it. Those who did simply accepted it.

I'm a deist agnostic. What circular logic am I following? I believe the world came from god, which came from something else, which came from something else, which came from something else, etc. But I realize there had to be a beginning, and in that sense I say "I don't know" and leave it at that, because, sincerely, I have no idea, and neither does anybody else on this planet.

That's the difference between me and him - he sees circular logic and accepts it because it accepts itself, while ignoring all other evidence to the contrary. I see circular logic and think "well shit, that doesn't make any sense." and look to other reasons for the situation at hand, and if I can't find any then so be it, I leave it with an "I don't know". It's okay to say "I don't know", and if more people realized that then religion wouldn't be such a big deal today.

Of course. Hence, horrible person. Hence, horrible train of thought. Hence, horrible affect on society with his narrow mind and inability to cope with reality and the evidence therein.

Who knows? Maybe he's 12 years old and still has a lot of growing to do.

God did it!

An excellent theory!

Who knows? Maybe he's 12 years old and still has a lot of growing to do.

Then he has horrible parents for not educating him better than this. =P Lol

Who knows? Maybe he's 12 years old and still has a lot of growing to do.

What do you mean? At 12 one is already over naive beliefs.

I'm a deist agnostic. What circular logic am I following? I believe the world came from god, which came from something else, which came from something else, which came from something else, etc. But I realize there had to be a beginning, and in that sense I say "I don't know" and leave it at that, because, sincerely, I have no idea, and neither does anybody else on this planet.

I really can't tell where the circular logic is in your belief system without a more thorough explication of it. But most who assume the validity of logic will, when questioned on it, try to justify it with logic in some form or another. That's a fairly common example of circular reasoning I've seen, particularly among intellectuals. I've actually done that one myself.

That's the difference between me and him - he sees circular logic and accepts it because it accepts itself, while ignoring all other evidence to the contrary. I see circular logic and think "well shit, that doesn't make any sense." and look to other reasons for the situation at hand, and if I can't find any then so be it, I leave it with an "I don't know". It's okay to say "I don't know", and if more people realized that then religion wouldn't be such a big deal today.

That's certainly a big difference in y'alls approach. Personally, I'm an agnostic theist, quite content to say that I believe but am fairly sure that my limited human mind is probably incapable of fully understanding reality and grasping a genuine knowledge of it.

What do you mean? At 12 one is already over naive beliefs.

I lasted til 14. Pot saved my life. If I wasn't stoned through it all, I'd still be crying about Santa.

Did the troll split? Too bad. Reminded me a little of the old Jesussaves days.

It was you wasn't it?

Cmon, fess up.:p

God doesn't live on Earth, so he told men what to write down. Making hin the Author, I believe this is the second time I have explained this.

You're arguing the Bible was directly dictated by God as opposed to being divinely inspired? You do realise that's heresy, just to check?

What amuses me about the Creationists is the seeming insistence on seeing God in the most basic terms possible. The obvious conclusion for Christians would be to assume that God created evolution, in all its complexity. But no, instead they'd rather insist he's some kind of cosmic David Blaine.

Brighter christians realise this however:

I think creationism is ... a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory like other theories ... if creationism is presented as a stark alternative theory alongside other theories I think there's just been a jarring of categories ... My worry is creationism can end up reducing the doctrine of creation rather than enhancing it.

That's from that wellknown radical the Archbishop of Canterbury. Although he probably lost most of the creationists at "category mistake".

http://www.draaisma.net/rudi/homanus/images/homanus.jpg

I wonder if the bikini became prevalent in the evolutionary tree before or after "human hands."

I really can't tell where the circular logic is in your belief system without a more thorough explication of it. But most who assume the validity of logic will, when questioned on it, try to justify it with logic in some form or another. That's a fairly common example of circular reasoning I've seen, particularly among intellectuals. I've actually done that one myself.



That's certainly a big difference in y'alls approach. Personally, I'm an agnostic theist, quite content to say that I believe but am fairly sure that my limited human mind is probably incapable of fully understanding reality and grasping a genuine knowledge of it.

Deism is essentially the following of Christs message of love and peace, regardless of if he was the messiah or not, because it's a damned fine message no matter where it comes from. Little tidbits also add in stuff like god created us specifically for friendship, not because he felt he should go into the sheperd business.

There's really no specifics other than that. It's a very general and widespread religion - many people who believe as we believe don't even know that they're deist because they've never heard of it. We have no church, we have no preachers, simply the message and the followers. We have no dogma, we have no prophecies, we have no expectations, we have no sins. We, for the most part, simply believe that we were created as we were and will hang out with god after we die, simply for the purpose of hanging out, because being omnicient and all-powerful gets really boring without any friends.

http://www.draaisma.net/rudi/homanus/images/homanus.jpg

I wonder if the bikini became prevalent in the evolutionary tree before or after "human hands."



:D

http://www.draaisma.net/rudi/homanus/images/homanus.jpg

I wonder if the bikini became prevalent in the evolutionary tree before or after "human hands."

Before. But just.

The book told you the book was written by god and was therefore the word of god because it was written by him because the book said so.

Why the hell does that make sense to you? This is a serious fucking question, I really want you to answer this. What got into your head that you started believing this circular bullshit sorry piece of shit excuse for logic?

Your an idiot

You're an idiot.

He believes that the bible tells about what is happening in modern times. Which is a fine belief that I wish more people would keep to themselves.

You ever heard of free speech? What about the Constitution of the US?
If you think it is fine, then whats the problem?

Your an idiot

I believe we're through here. Go back to your knitting everyone, ignore this troll.

You ever heard of free speech? What about the Constitution of the US?
If you think it is fine, then whats the problem?

You may want to read up on that whole establishment clause thing then.

So I'm a troll because I practice free speech huh. Maybe your a troll because you refuse to hear.

So I'm a troll because I practice free speech huh. Maybe your a troll because you refuse to hear.

Sadly, free speech doesn't actually mean you have anything worth saying. As you have proven here in abundence. I don't think you're a troll in the traditional sense of the word. I do think however that your beliefs seem to have no rational basis at all (which I don't believe is the case with all Christians) and, as such, are largely meaningless.

The establishment clause has nothing to do with what I am saying

So I'm a troll because I practice free speech huh. Maybe your a troll because you refuse to hear.

Freedom of speech does not ban criticism, it protects our right to dispute your beliefs as much as it protects your right to assert them.

So I'm a troll because I practice free speech huh. Maybe your a troll because you refuse to hear.

Pardon, I missed that?

So then you're intentionally ignoring the points about Joseph's 2 daddies and Pi=3? How 'bout the 4 legged insects? Or rabbits chewing cud?

Sadly, free speech doesn't actually mean you have anything worth saying. As you have proven here in abundence. I don't think you're a troll in the traditional sense of the word. I do think however that your beliefs seem to have no rational basis at all (which I don't believe is the case with all Christians) and, as such, are largely meaningless.


Well you have a right to your opinion, but Christianity is totally about FAITH in the Lord. If you think that isn't worth saying then nothing is.

Well you have a right to your opinion, but Christianity is totally about FAITH in the Lord. If you think that isn't worth saying then nothing is.

So then you're admitting it has no scientific validity?

People make threads about other religions here without all of you atacking them. I have the same right to make one about my beliefs.

Well you have a right to your opinion, but Christianity is totally about FAITH in the Lord. If you think that isn't worth saying then nothing is.

Exactly, its not about trying to disprove other people's beliefs, and forcing yours down their throat.

People make forums about other religions here without all of you atacking them. I have the same right to make one about my beliefs.

Talking about your "beliefs" is one thing. Claiming that scientific principles are wrong because of your "belief" w/ no other supporting evidence is another.

People make threads about other religions here without all of you atacking them. I have the same right to make one about my beliefs.

Everybody's religious beliefs are attacked here on NS. It's one of the reasons I like this place so much.

So then you're admitting it has no scientific validity?


Scientific validity means nothing ... the scientist of early earth cultures thought the world was flat. Did their belief of that make it true? No

Everybody's religious beliefs are attacked here on NS. It's one of the reasons I like this place so much.

Christianity is attacked much more then any other religion.

Well you have a right to your opinion, but Christianity is totally about FAITH in the Lord. If you think that isn't worth saying then nothing is.

Oh, absolutely, in the long run. But there are a large number of Christian theologians who put their great intellects in the service of that faith and wrote some very great works on Christianity, and I say that as a non-Christian.

Sadly, the US Christian right seems to have abandoned that honourable scholarly tradition in favour of a kneejerk anti-intellectualism and refusal to take theology seriously.

Naturally, it is up to you to decide which kind of Christian you want to be. Do you want to further your knowledge in order to best serve your God or would you rather keep on how you're going at the moment?

Talking about your "beliefs" is one thing. Claiming that scientific principles are wrong because of your "belief" w/ no other supporting evidence is another.



I said Evolution is a lie because it has never been proven but there are some who make it sound like it is a fact.

Scientific validity means nothing ... the scientist of early earth cultures thought the world was flat. Did their belief of that make it true? No

And some people still believe in magic sky fairies even though there is no evidence for one.

I'ld like you to test a valid scientific theory. Find a tall building and walk off it. Then tell me that "Scientific validity means nothing".

Can you guess which theory I'm talking about?

Christianity is attacked much more then any other religion.

1st.) No.

2nd.) This isn't a most persecuted contest. Even if that as true it wouldn't make your point anymore valid.

I said Evolution is a lie because it has never been proven but there are some who make it sound like it is a fact.

So over 150 years of evidence, hundreds of thousands of peer-reviewed paper, means nothing?

Would you argue Pi=3?

Oh, absolutely, in the long run. But there are a large number of Christian theologians who put their great intellects in the service of that faith and wrote some very great works on Christianity, and I say that as a non-Christian.

Sadly, the US Christian right seems to have abandoned that honourable scholarly tradition in favour of a kneejerk anti-intellectualism and refusal to take theology seriously.

Naturally, it is up to you to decide which kind of Christian you want to be. Do you want to further your knowledge in order to best serve your God or would you rather keep on how you're going at the moment?

I am defending Christianity ... I believe he would

Scientific validity means nothing ... the scientist of early earth cultures thought the world was flat. Did their belief of that make it true? No

Likewise your belief in the bible doesn't make it true. Remember, the bible is filled with lies like insects have four legs and rabbits chew their cud. God wouldn't write lies, so Satan wrote the bible.

Scientific validity means nothing ... the scientist of early earth cultures thought the world was flat. Did their belief of that make it true? No

Those scientists didn't use observation. Also, the scientific method wasn't invented by then.

why do creationists waste theirs and everyone else's time with these stupid ideas. They show no ability to understand science and even when they do they dismiss the evidence because it doesn't agree with their beliefs.

Missing link? there is no missing link-there are many missing links-evolution is a normally a slow gradual process, finding all the links would be like finding 100 black grains of sand in the Saudi Arabian desert.

non-humans that used modern hands to make tools-homo erectus. Homo Erectus is definetly an ancestor but most definetly not our equal. Neanderthals-a failed branch of the human family, had human hands made art, tools and simple homes.

So over 150 years of evidence, hundreds of thousands of peer-reviewed paper, means nothing?

Would you argue Pi=3?

Pi=3 has nothing to do with Evolution

Christianity is attacked much more then any other religion.

Maybe, but I've never had a Jew or a Buddhist try to convince me that I need to embrace his particular belief or go to hell. Christianity is on the offensive, it had better expect counterattacks.

I am defending Christianity ... I believe he would

Here's a nice little quote for you:

"The real evil is … the greatest possible misfortune of people whom we wish to save. If they [the unbelievers] find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well, and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our [Biblical] books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods about facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?"

On a Literal Interpretation of Genesis

Saint Augustine

why do creationists waste theirs and everyone else's time with these stupid ideas. They show no ability to understand science and even when they do they dismiss the evidence because it doesn't agree with their beliefs.

Missing link? there is no missing link-there are many missing links-evolution is a normally a slow gradual process, finding all the links would be like finding 100 black grains of sand in the Saudi Arabian desert.

non-humans that used modern hands to make tools-homo erectus. Homo Erectus is definetly an ancestor but most definetly not our equal. Neanderthals-a failed branch of the human family, had human hands made art, tools and simple homes.

Prove That

Pi=3 has nothing to do with Evolution

You've claimed validity of the Bible. Glaring errors have been pointed out to you.

I said Evolution is a lie because it has never been proven but there are some who make it sound like it is a fact.

Creationism is a lie too because it contradicts all the evidence available to us and portrays god as intentionally decieving his people by leaving behind a holy book that is contradicted by every observation of life and the natural world.

Prove That

Try reading some of the links that have been posted.

Here's a nice little quote for you:

"The real evil is … the greatest possible misfortune of people whom we wish to save. If they [the unbelievers] find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well, and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our [Biblical] books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods about facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?"

On a Literal Interpretation of Genesis

Saint Augustine


If you have eyes to see or hears to hear ....

Why do so many doubters of evolution make the false claim that the theory says we evolved from apes? Nobody ever said man came from apes. What has been said is that we share a common ancestor.

I don't think the bible was ever meant to be taken literally. I think it should be seen more as a collection of metaphors meant to teach us morals and lessons and guide us in our daily lives.

When you take all of it literally you end up with everyone praying to something like the Great and Powerful Queen Spider.

Try reading some of the links that have been posted.

None have proven Evolution

If you have eyes to see or hears to hear ....

I don't believe human have a part in their anatomy called "hears."

If you have eyes to see or hears to hear ....

I'ld actually look at the evidence presented. Some refuse to.

I am defending Christianity ... I believe he would

But you're not. Quite seriously, you may think you are, but you're not doing a good job of it. All you're doing is going "it is that way because of how the Bible says so". You've made a statement about how the Bible was written that runs directly counter to Christian doctrine. And your claims on evolution are based on a misunderstanding of what a scientific theory actually is. (One that could be fixed with a brief look at Wiki if you want).

If you're serious about your faith, don't you think you owe it to yourself to actually learn how to defend it better?

Prove That

Tools are found in the settlements of Neandethals and Homo Erectus. Their corpses are sometimes found with crude tools near them. Cro Magnon settlements are found to contain more sophisticated tools. What does that tell us? Homo Erectus and Neanderthal made tools, but lacked the brain power to make tools as sophisticated as our more immediate ancestors.

None have proven Evolution

Translation: I haven't even looked.

And another quote:

"Let the waters", it is said, "bring forth abundantly moving creature that hath life and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." Why do the waters give birth also to birds? Because there is, so to say, a family link between the creatures that fly and those that swim. In the same way that fish cut the waters, using their fins to carry them forward and their tails to direct their movements round and round and straightforward, so we see birds float in the air by the help of their wings. Both endowed with the property of swimming, their common derivation from the waters has made them of one family.
- St. Basil, Bishop of Caesarea, 329-379 A.D.
from The Hexaemeron: Homily VIII.- The Creation of Fowl and Water Animals.

None have proven Evolution

None have proven God.

None have proven Evolution

None have ever proven Michael Jackson is a kid toucher. Would you let him babysit your son? The evidence for Evolution is much more complete and compelling than for Michael Jackson's sexual defect or for creationism.

[QUOTE=Dosuun;11789900]Why do so many doubters of evolution make the false claim that the theory says we evolved from apes? Nobody ever said man came from apes. What has been said is that we share a common ancestor.

Yeah the common ancestor is apes

I don't think the bible was ever meant to be taken literally. I think it should be seen more as a collection of metaphors meant to teach us morals and lessons and guide us in our daily lives.

While it is meant to teach morals, it is much more then a collection of metaphors.

When you take it literally you grow closer to God

Yeah the common ancestor is apes [/B]



Prove it.

[QUiTE=Dosuun;11789900]Why do so many doubters of evolution make the false claim that the theory says we evolved from apes? Nobody ever said man came from apes. What has been said is that we share a common ancestor.

Yeah the common ancestor is apes

I don't think the bible was ever meant to be taken literally. I think it should be seen more as a collection of metaphors meant to teach us morals and lessons and guide us in our daily lives.

While it is meant to teach morals, it is much more then a collection of metaphors.

When you take it literally you grow closer to God

So you grow closer to an asshole who kills entire towns for being gay, has his prophet call bears to eat children who mock him, and can't count the legs on the bugs he supposedly created? Sorry, I don't want to be all that close to a psychotic moron.

So you grow closer to an asshole who kills entire towns for being gay, has his prophet call bears to eat children who mock him, and can't count the legs on the bugs he supposedly created? Sorry, I don't want to be all that close to a psychotic moron.


I feel sorry for you, if God is like you describe ( and I don't think so ) then calling him a psychotic moron might be a mistake. Don't you think.

While it is meant to teach morals, it is much more then a collection of metaphors.
If it's meant to teach morals, a collection of metaphors is a very common way to do so. Seriously, have you studied the Bible academically at all? Even as a hobby?
When you take it literally you grow closer to God

So you follow all the laws laid out in Leviticus do you?

I feel sorry for you, if God is like you describe ( and I don't think so ) then calling him a psychotic moron might be a mistake. Don't you think.

So you deny those descriptions are in the Bible?

None have proven God.

None have too

So you deny those descriptions are in the Bible?


They may be in the old testament, but I live by the new testament.

If it's meant to teach morals, a collection of metaphors is a very common way to do so. Seriously, have you studied the Bible academically at all? Even as a hobby?

So you follow all the laws laid out in Leviticus do you?

Jesus' teachings is in the New Testament

They may be in the old testament, but I live by the new testament.

but the Old testament is in the Bible, yes?

None have too

Prove it. SHow the evidence.

If it's meant to teach morals, a collection of metaphors is a very common way to do so. Seriously, have you studied the Bible academically at all? Even as a hobby?

So you follow all the laws laid out in Leviticus do you?



Did you?

I feel sorry for you, if God is like you describe ( and I don't think so ) then calling him a psychotic moron might be a mistake. Don't you think.

Consider the fact that if you take the bible literally you're putting your faith in a genocidal, homophobic, bigoted creature who punishes knowledge and can't even clearly describe the beings he claims to have created. If you take the bible literally you're worshipping evil. I, however, fear no evil.

None have too

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With this kind of thinking why is anyone even bothering to argue with this person? Its a useless endeavour for someone who has their mind trapped in a box and doesnt want to even peek outside it let alone escape from it.

They may be in the old testament, but I live by the new testament.

So you don't take the bible literally?

They may be in the old testament, but I live by the new testament.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."

Matthew 5:17

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With this kind of thinking why is anyone even bothering to argue with this person? Its a useless endeavour for someone who has their mind trapped in a box and doesnt want to even peek outside it let alone escape from it.

It's fun. I used to troll this forum with similar arguments as the OP. Threads would get to be 15 pages long in no time at all. People love to argue against idiocy.

Christianity is attacked much more then any other religion.

And that is well-deserved.

Jesus' teachings is in the New Testament

And the prophecies that he didn't fulfill were in the OT.

Stop asking for proof of God. It's called faith because it can't be proven.

Because it can't be proven, it can't be used in a valid argument. Please leave God and faith out of this.

It's fun. I used to troll this forum with similar arguments as the OP. Threads would get to be 15 pages long in no time at all. People love to argue against idiocy.

true, if i didnt have work to be at in 5 minutes i'd probably stick around smahing my head into a bloody pulp of frustration and amusement too.