NationStates Jolt Archive

(I posted this as a reply in another thread and after submitting it, I felt I should make it into a new topic)

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"

Don't let the door hit you on the you know what.

If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all over the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?

Ask the Mexicans and Cubans who make it to our shores and land what they think of America. Ask the Iraqis and other middle easterners, who are in America, what they think of us.

As for Canada, I couldn't care less what the hell they think. They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.

Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up your countries are?

I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness. I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters, if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo, then "Oh well". I will NOT apologize for us, Americans, sending billions and billions of US dollars across the globe. I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and the Americans and our allies finally doing something about it. To the rest of you, you have no back bone, no morals, no hope, no common sense, no pride, etc...

For all those who cry, "Human rights," where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered.

The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN....... :upyours:

As for the UN, they are a failed organization. I say ship them out to Paris. They have got to go. I'm tired of our hard earned tax dollars pouring into that corrupt and failed organization.

NOTE: To all those who feed off of the constant bickering and whining over America and our policies......I say this to you..... :upyours:

To all those in support and for those who realize how much Good America does for people and nations throughout this world, I thank you.

I am a firm believer that they're a heck of a lot more good out there then bad. I find it very unfortunate that the little bit of bad, is a whole lot louder than the Good. Mock my words, the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

Also, for the ones who are getting tired of seeing the American Flag flying high........You damn well better get used to it....For WE aren't going anywheres but Everywheres for the betterment of this world.

May God Bless America, our Troops, and all of YOU who support America!!

Americans are so funny.

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Vote NBIP
At least we're honest about denying free speech

would God bless a murder of the innocents?
would God bless a war based on pride?
would God bless a money-hungry government? no.
would God bless our ineffective court system?
God bless the sweatshops we run.
would God bless Amerika?
God bless Amerika.

OK, first, Philosophy, noone wants to hear about your party. This is RL and supersedes your infintile efforts in pretend play.

As for th OP, I AM NOW :mad: . You want america to continue on its path, I see. How shortsighted can you be?

And as for not wanting it to be this way, you guys call it a "democracy" so that means I GET to put in my input.

And we are NOT THE WORLD'S MORAL AUTHROITY. We had no right to conquer Iraq; that's what we did and the government deserves punishment and recycling.

Remember that TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT? Last I checked, that's more than my entire city is worth, in human lives, resources, and land (the land is worth a good chuck of the net value. Valuable property.).

I am sick and tired of you misguided diehards coming on here and trying to convert us. STOP IT.

*Hopes realAmerica isn't within earshot*

<insert "Aw Jeez, not this shit again!" image here>

OK, first, Philosophy, noone wants to hear about your party. This is RL and supersedes your infintile efforts in pretend play.

0 out of 10 for spelling, 0 out of 10 for getting the point, 0 out of 10 for grammar, 0 out of 10 for the rant.

Well done, a fine score there.

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On cue :)

0 out of 10 for spelling, 0 out of 10 for getting the point, 0 out of 10 for grammar, 0 out of 10 for the rant.

Well done, a fine score there.

Aren't you supposed to be putting up NBIP ads somewhere?

God Bless Brainwashing
God Bless Blind Nationalism
God Bless Illegal Wars
God Bless Corrupt Governments
God Bless Torture
God Bless America

[/sarcasm]

If there is a God in the sense that most christians imagine one to be, then I'm fairly certain he looks down on the earth and wonders what the fuck we're doing most days, American or otherwise.

God Bless Amerika.

Aren't you supposed to be putting up NBIP ads somewhere?
Aren't you supposed to be taking this election far too seriously and losing anyway somewhere?

Puh-lease!

You need us!

Admit it!

Who are you going to blame when it all goes wrong?

Aren't you supposed to be taking this election far too seriously and losing anyway somewhere?

To me, this is just a beta run.

A fun one, at that. :D
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As for the thread topic, I cannot see why anyone could be proud of America's actions in the 21st century.

(I posted this as a reply in another thread and after submitting it, I felt I should make it into a new topic)

Thank you. This draws attention better, and makes it easier for me to argue.

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"

Heaven forbid that we should try to fix it. :rolleyes:

Don't let the door hit you on the you know what.

On the head? On my left ankle? On my chin? Forehead?

If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all over the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?

Money.

Ask the Mexicans and Cubans who make it to our shores and land what they think of America. Ask the Iraqi's and other middle easterners who are in America what they think of us.

Because illegal immigrants are a much better source of information than legal citizens. *nodnod*

As for Canada, I can personally care less what the Hell they think. They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.

Notice how he provides no solid arguments against Canada.

Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up your countries are.

Again, no specifics.

I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness.

Not even with a ten foot pole.

I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters, if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo.

How about the innocents?

I will NOT apologize for us, Americans, sending billions and billions of us dollars across the globe.

I've yet to see anyone ask you to apologize for American charity... Threatening to cut off aid in order to influence an election, on the other hand...

I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and us, Americans, finally doing something about it with the help of several other nations, to the rest of you, you have no back bone, no morals, no hope, no common sense, etc...

*wonders idly if you've noticed that you aren't the only ones who went into Iraq/Afghanistan. Also wonders what you think about those now being killed in those countries as a result of civil strife*

For all those who cry "Human Rights" where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered. The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN.......

As opposed to those being murdered, raped, or executed in Iraq today? Some of them by American soldiers?

As for the UN, they are a failed organization. I say ship them out to Paris. They have got to go. I'm tired of our hard earned tax dollars pouring into that corrupt and failed organization.

We need our own corrupt and failed organization to pour hard earned tax dollars into!

NOTE: To all those who feed off of the constant bickering and whining over America and our policies......I say this to you..... an elipse?

To all those in support and for those who realize how much Good America does for people and nations of this world, I thank you.

Not really much to say about thanking someone for agreeing with you.

I am a firm believer that they're a heck of a lot more good out there then bad. I find it very unfortunate that the little bit of bad is a whole lot louder than the Good.

Remember this, everybody who votes, is obviously bad. Those who know what's right but don't vote, are the good guys.

Mock my words

Thank you, I will.

the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

Are you forecasting violence based on the belief that America's shit stinks? That's what it looks like.

Also, for the ones who are getting tired of seeing the American Flag flying high........You damn well better get used to it....For WE aren't going anywheres but Everywheres for the betterment of this world.

Because secretly the terrorist attacks were just a ploy to get the flag lowered to half mast.

God does not exist. next.

In most cases I would ignore such a blathering pile of mindless trash, but it amuses me. You've given me a good chuckle, so I suppose I should reply.

(I posted this as a reply in another thread and after submitting it, I felt I should make it into a new topic)

As I said, thank you for amusing me.


If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"


So you oppose the American principle of freedom of speech? When will you be packing your bags, then?


If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?


Because there's money to be made. Conversely, however, Americans are pouring out of the US, into Great Britain, Australia, France... Did you know that the largest category of illegal immigrants in Australia come from the US? What does that say for your Great Nation (TM)?


Ask the Iraqi's

Iraqis. Plurals are not preceded by apostrophes. An apostrophe followed by an S denotes a genitive form, or a contraction.


As for Canada, I can personally care less what the Hell they think.

Good. I'm glad to hear you do care, and you're not as ignorant as you initially appear to be.

Unless you mean you couldn't care less, but your atrociously bad grasp of English grammar led you to say the opposite of what you intended?


They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.


Ah. A generalisation based on nationality. My estimation of your intelligence has just dropped even lower than the abysmal level it was already at.

I could use your logic, and remind you that immigrants are flocking into France, but what would be the point?


Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up you countries are.


your countries. "You" and "your" are two different words. Learn to use them correctly.

A question should end with a question mark. A question mark looks like this: ?

I'm sure the unintentional irony of your statement eludes you completely. But to answer your question: Because they aren't.


I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness.

Sorry, America's what?


I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo.

There is a difference between "too" and "to". Learn it. Use it.

You may also want to get yourself a broader education and learn to keep yourself informed, question what your government tells you, and think for yourself.

Or would you consider that "unAmerican"?


to the rest of you, you have no back bone,

Your ignorance astounds and saddens me, as do the simplistic workings of your mind.


no morals,

I'd be curious to know how you define "morals".


no hope,

I beg your pardon? Are you just spouting out words at random now, or is there some glimmer of thought concealed behind this blathering?


no common sense, etc...


"Common sense is the collection of prejudices by age 18." Albert Einstein, and in this instance I quite agree. What we have got is the ability to think for ourselves.


As for the UN, they are a failed organization. I say ship them out to Paris.

Hell, we'd welcome them here.


They have got to go. I'm tired of our hard worked for tax dollars pouring into that corrupt and failure of an organization.

You might have had a point if the US were not consistently paying its dues late or not at all, thereby crippling the UN's ability to act effectively, and if the US' veto right were not a major cause of the UN's inability to act swiftly in an emergency.


To all those in support and for those who realize how much Good America does for people and nations, I thank you.

Such as

* overthrowing a democratically elected government in Chile, installing and supporting a brutal dictator who murdered thousands of his own people
* supporting a pro-American dictatorship in Cuba, then making numerous (failed) assassination attempts on the man who overthrew that dictator
* installing and supporting (until recently) repressive dictatorial governments in South Korea
* supporting the pro-American dictatorship in Uzbekistan
* assassinating Patrice Lumumba in the Congo
* attempting to overthrow the democratically elected government of Venezuela
* shooting down a civilian Iranian aircraft "by mistake", filled with innocent people
* arming and funding terrorist groups in Nicaragua
* arming and funding Usama bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation
* supporting both sides alternately during the Iraq-Iran War, including aiding and arming Saddam Hussein

Now, don't get me wrong. The US has also done good things abroad. It's your inability to see the world in shades of grey which is saddening, and prevents you from actually understanding the world you live in, and reflecting upon it.


Mock my words

Yes, I think that's what most of us will be doing.


the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad best watch out.

Ooh! I'm a bad guy (TM). I'd better start trembling.

When I've finished laughing at you, I think I'll start really feeling sorry for you.

*sits back, watches, suppresses laughter*

* assassinating Patrice Lumumba in the Congo

We had no part in that. We plotted his assassination, yes, but were beaten to it. We did, however, have a part in the coup that overthrew him and Kasavubu.

I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

When it comes crashing down, and it hurts inside,
ya' gotta take a stand, it don't help to hide,
Well, you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

I feel strong about right and wrong,
And I don't take trouble for very long,
I got something deep inside of me, and courage is the thing that keeps us free,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

Well you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

We had no part in that. We plotted his assassination, yes, but were beaten to it. We did, however, have a part in the coup that overthrew him and Kasavubu.

Thank you for rectifying that. My memory of it was a tad hazy.

As I recall, though, he was murdered with the CIA's full knowledge, consent and approval?

Come on guys, don't make be break out the ol' "don't feed the troll" poster.
*wags finger*

Oh please.

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"

Ah yes, the illogical argument.

Why should someone leave the country they were born and grew up in, just because one crackpot is in power? Especially since the aforementioned crackpot can only be in power for a maximum of eight years?

If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all over the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?

I hate chocolate ice cream, but I'd rather eat that than horseshit.

Ask the Iraqi's and other middle easterners who are in America what they think of us.

I'm sure they'd have something to say about you bombing the shit out of their families.

As for Canada, I can personally care less what the Hell they think. They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.

And with that comment, you've blown your entire argument. Even if you made a valid point somewhere (which I doubt), your xenophobia overshadows it and takes away credibility.

Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up your countries are.

Europe isn't fucked up. In fact, if you look at a list of countries with the best quality of life, most of the top places go to European countries.

I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness.

To have greatness, America would need to do something great. Bombing a couple of third-world countries would be like me beating up a four-year-old (fun, but not great).

I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters, if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo.

Yet you support a terrorist. His name is George W. Bush.

I will NOT apologize for us, Americans, sending billions and billions of us dollars across the globe.

Will you apologise to the poor, who cannot afford healthcare, because your government would rather spend billions on a war than provide free health services?

I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and us, Americans, finally doing something about it with the help of several other nations, to the rest of you, you have no back bone, no morals, no hope, no common sense, etc...

I have a backbone, and the x-rays to prove it.
I have morals, which is why I don't pick fights with weaker people, and/or murder innocent civilians.
I have hope, and I hope for a peaceful future.
I have common sense, and used it to see through Bush's lies many times.

As for your comments regarding women in Afghanistan and Iraq.... wearing a burkha =/= abuse. Please provide DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE to support this claim that both nations are nothing but misogynist extremists. Ortherwise I shall dismiss your point as you fearing what you don't understand.

For all those who cry "Human Rights" where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered. The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN....... :upyours:

As for the UN, they are a failed organization. I say ship them out to Paris. They have got to go. I'm tired of our hard earned tax dollars pouring into that corrupt and failed organization.

NOTE: To all those who feed off of the constant bickering and whining over America and our policies......I say this to you..... :upyours:

To all those in support and for those who realize how much Good America does for people and nations of this world, I thank you.

I am a firm believer that they're a heck of a lot more good out there then bad. I find it very unfortunate that the little bit of bad is a whole lot louder than the Good. Mock my words, the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

Also, for the ones who are getting tired of seeing the American Flag flying high........You damn well better get used to it....For WE aren't going anywheres but Everywheres for the betterment of this world.

May God Bless America, our Troops, and all of YOU who support America!![/QUOTE]

Thank you for rectifying that. My memory of it was a tad hazy.

As I recall, though, he was murdered with the CIA's full knowledge, consent and approval?

Yes. We had several plots up our sleeve, including one to poison his toothbrush and/or food, but with a substance that would give him an illness similar to those endemic to the Congo, making it look natural. Eisenhower bluntly said he wanted Lumumba "eliminated" in front of his National Security Council. Although, Belgium also had a role. The Katangan firing squad that killed Lumumba was overseen by a Belgian officer.

(I posted this as a reply in another thread and after submitting it, I felt I should make it into a new topic)

Yes, spread the stupidity.

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"

Don't let the door hit you on the you know what.

Dem.Oc.Rac.Cy. You may have heard the word before. You may also want to look up the phrase 'Freedom of Speech'.

If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all over the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?

Because your country isn't quite as fucked up as their's is (yet)?

Ask the Mexicans and Cubans who make it to our shores and land what they think of America. Ask the Iraqi's and other middle easterners who are in America what they think of us.

Alternatively, ask all the Iraqis in Iraq what they think of you. :rolleyes:

As for Canada, I can personally care less what the Hell they think. They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.

Yes, damn those Canadians with their damn welfare, egalitarianism, and all of their damn 'caring for the poor' liberal bullshit! Damn them all to Hell!

Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up your countries are.

We're fucked up? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness.

:p

I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters, if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo.

Congratulations! You're a small minded moron. Has it occured to you that *gasp* there might be innocent people in Guantanamo?

I will NOT apologize for us, Americans, sending billions and billions of us dollars across the globe.

Given that a lot of them are used to prop up oppressive regimes then you probably should.

I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and us, Americans, finally doing something about it with the help of several other nations, to the rest of you, you have no back bone, no morals, no hope, no common sense, etc...

For all those who cry "Human Rights" where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered. The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN.......

You really are an ignorant little troll aren't you? Women's rights in Iraq were among the most advanced in the Middle East. Since the invasion they now live in fear and cannot leave the house unless accompanied by a male relative and dressed in a burkha for fear of retribution from the militias which YOU have failed utterly to control. Apologise now.

NOTE: To all those who feed off of the constant bickering and whining over America and our policies......I say this to you.....

To all those in support and for those who realize how much Good America does for people and nations of this world, I thank you.

I'm sure both of them appreciate it. :D

Mock my words,

Will do.

the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

Let's count the similarities to the Nazis in Germany shall we children?

1. Black and white worldview: we are good, everyone else is evil.
2. Threats of violence.
3. Disregard for human rights.
4. Racism (the inmates in Guantanamo must be guilty, they're Arabs!!1!!eleven!)

And now:

5. The US President has the power to have anyone (including US citizens) abducted, tortured, and held indefinitely simply by saying "s/he's an enemy combatant". As soon as the president says these four words you immediately lose pretty much all your rights; what's more, this is now completely legal.

A cookie for the first person to spot the connection.

Also, for the ones who are getting tired of seeing the American Flag flying high........You damn well better get used to it....For WE aren't going anywheres but Everywheres for the betterment of this world.

You aren't going anywhere for the the betterment of the world? Freudian slip? ;)

Your nation is going to hell but you can't see it for your dogmatic nationalism, bigotry, and racism. America won't be a world power in a couples of centuries time anyway: your education system is on the brink of collapse and your anti-science administration is driving more and more of your scientists out of the country every year.

May God Bless America, our Troops, and all of YOU who support America!!

If there is a god I hope he'd have more sense.

For all those who cry "Human Rights" where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered. The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN....... :upyours:

Question: does the available evidence suggest that rape was more or less widespread in Iraq after the invasion?

Come on guys, don't make be break out the ol' "don't feed the troll" poster.
*wags finger*

But it's fun!

Trolls are such amusing little creatures. :p

I suppose it's not very sporting, though. This particular troll is such an easy target, handing us sticks to beat him with.

Note to all non-Americans: Not all of us are like the OP.

Question: does the available evidence suggest that rape was more or less widespread in Iraq after the invasion?

You don't honestly expect an answer to that, do you? ;)

Yes. We had several plots up our sleeve, including one to poison his toothbrush and/or food, but with a substance that would give him an illness similar to those endemic to the Congo, making it look natural. Eisenhower bluntly said he wanted Lumumba "eliminated" in front of his National Security Council. Although, Belgium also had a role. The Katangan firing squad that killed Lumumba was overseen by a Belgian officer.

Indeed. Thanks for the reminder. (And I didn't actually know about Eisenhower's open comment.)

Indeed. Thanks for the reminder. (And I didn't actually know about Eisenhower's open comment.)

You're welcome.

I've studied the Congo/Zaire extensively, and you ever want to know any other tidbits, you can always feel free to TG me. ;)

Honk honk. I don't know why you lot are bothering to write up lengthy refutations of his points. He refutes them himself by being a troll.

Honk honk. I don't know why you lot are bothering to write up lengthy refutations of his points. He refutes them himself by being a troll.

Can't blame 'em for trying.

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There, that should cover the flaming and trolling. :D

You really are an ignorant little troll aren't you? Women's rights in Iraq were among the most advanced in the Middle East. Since the invasion they now live in fear and cannot leave the house unless accompanied by a male relative and dressed in a burkha for fear of retribution from the militias which YOU have failed utterly to control.

Now, now. Don't tell him the truth like that. You'll confuse him.

He probably thinks Saddam was a religious extremist.


Note to all non-Americans: Not all of us are like the OP.

Don't worry; most of us know that. :)


You're welcome.

I've studied the Congo/Zaire extensively, and you ever want to know any other tidbits, you can always feel free to TG me.

Thanks; I may do that. And I commend you on taking such an interest in the world around you. If more people were like you, this would be a better world to live in.

Don't worry; most of us know that. :)

Cool.

Thanks; I may do that. And I commend you on taking such an interest in the world around you. If more people were like you, this would be a better world to live in.

No, thank you. *blush*

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http://xena.shimmera.net/fun/Marshmallows.jpg

There, that should cover the flaming and trolling. :D

You win the thread.

Now, now. Don't tell him the truth like that. You'll confuse him.

He probably thinks Saddam was a religious extremist.

Sorry, I forgot reality had no place in an NS debate. :(

A long time ago I read a regular feature in one of the cheap, supermarket tabloids call "My America" by "Ed Anger" I am now firmly convinced that the OP is this "Ed Anger"

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"

This sounds awfully like a condemnation of Democracy and an endorsement of dictatorship.

If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all over the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?
Just because people are leaving their country to join yours doesn't mean that your country is great. It just means that it is better than the country they are leaving.

Ask the Mexicans and Cubans who make it to our shores and land what they think of America. Ask the Iraqi's and other middle easterners who are in America what they think of us.
Cubans probably feel quite happy that they are no longer getting bent over and fucked by US sanctions targeted at killing the young, the elderly and the ill. The Iraqis are probably very happy that they are not at risk from US cluster bombs, US army rape/murder squads, US supported rape/murder squads and that they can return to living the secular way of life that they lived before the US invaded. They are probably also quite happy that the decade or so of US sanctions that directly contributed to the deaths of around 500,000 children of malnutrition and lack of medical attention will no longer affect them.

As for Canada, I can personally care less what the Hell they think. They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.
What are your problems with the French?

Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up your countries are.
Because our countries are pretty good. You know the US isn't even in the top 5 countries for economic Global Competitiveness (behind European and Nordic nations). Lets not even go into your education, welfare or healthcare systems. Crime? Environmentalism? Freedom of Speech? Freedom of the Press? Inter-racial hatreds? Government accountability? Open and honest elections? Ludicrous budget deficits? Obesity? Consupmtion of resources?

The key is that the incredibly stupid actions of the US government, both on the foreign and domestic scenes, end up having reprucussions on the rest of us and, because none of us voted for Bush, we are understandably are a little pissed.

I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness.
No one is suggesting you apologise for America's greatness.

I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters,
No one is suggesting you apologise to terrorists and their supporters.

if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo.
Ah, this is the key. You see, there are a substantial number of people being tortured at Gitmo who are not proven terrorists. There are probably a few detainees being tortured that are terrorists but you have to ask yourself what type of person you want to be.
Do you want to be the kind of guy who tortures innocent and guilty?
Do you want to be the kind of guy who tortures the guilty?
Do you want to be the kind of guy who doesn't torture people because the rest of the first world pretty much evovled past that a couple of hundred years ago?
Do you want to be the kind of guy who when he sees people being tortured steps up and says 'No, not in my name.'?

I will NOT apologize for us, Americans, sending billions and billions of us dollars across the globe.
Depends what you are doing with it? Carpet bombing built up civilian areas? Not so good. Sending actual aid with no strings attached forcing poor countries to bend over and get fucked by US corporations? Much better, and the US does an awful lot of good across the world.
I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and us, Americans, finally doing something about it
Ah, I see the some of the basic misunderstandings. You think that US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq were actually about stopping this sort of thing. Shame the US has made no attempt to curtail it win areas controlled by the Northern Alliance (so about half the country), nor have they made any real effort to prevent it happening in the South West or the East.
In Iraq they have actively destroyed a secular society where women could dress how they wanted, be educated in what they wanted, work where they wanted, talk to who they wanted and have replaced it with a religious society where women are crushed in every aspect of their life. And that's not including the raping and murdering of women and their famililes...and there is no need to mention those that were killed by US millitary actions.
I assume you are also condemning the murder and torutre of men as well?

to the rest of you, you have no back bone,
I would have thought that standing up for what you believe in, in a country where dissent is classed as treason and death threats are made against the press and many others who have spoken out actually required some backbone.
no morals,
Ah, there appears to be a basic confusion about which side has morals. You seem to think that the side campaigning against murder, torture, corruption, destruction of rights, profit motivated wars, detention without trials and trials without evidence aren't the moralistic side.

no hope,
I am sure if they had no hope they would leave, much as you hope they would, however, they are still trying to help people see the light so they seem to still have hope.
no common sense, etc...
Ah yes, the 'All evidence and history supports my viewopint' arguement does lack a certain common sense.
For all those who cry "Human Rights" where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered.
Was this before or after the US military moved in?
I suspect that many of them were saying that the regimes responsible were pretty terrible, much as they are doing now.

The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN.......
Not sure where you are going with this?

As for the UN, they are a failed organization. I say ship them out to Paris. They have got to go.
You say that, but it seems pretty clear that the ceasefires in Bosnia and Lebanon only happened because the UN were able to step in.
Several African conflicts have also been paused (or solved) because of the UN and it remains one of the few viable talking shops for a majority of nations.
Yes, it is not perfect. But then name a significantly multi-national organisation that is?

I am a firm believer that they're a heck of a lot more good out there then bad. I find it very unfortunate that the little bit of bad is a whole lot louder than the Good.
But the good doesn't need improvement, the bad does. That's why it is pointed out.

Mock my words,
This might not have been the verb you were looking for?

the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.
Which silent majority?
Those citizens who think the US government is acting wrongly?
The rest of the world's population who think the US government is acting wrongly?
Or?

Also, for the ones who are getting tired of seeing the American Flag flying high........
You seem to confuse a dislike of certain policies and actions with an attack on the entirety of your country. I find this is quite a common problem with ultra-right wing conservatives. You need to understand that just because someone says 'I don't agree with institutionalised torture' doesn't mean 'I want to destory everything and everyone in America'. That when they say 'I don't think the press should be accused of treason when they point out the Bush is doing something illegal' they don't mean 'I think terrorists should be aided and abetted to kill people.'
The other important thing to relaise is that the more you refuse to see a differential between the two, the more you encourage others not to differentiate between the America that funds a massive number of aid organisations and the one that ran Abu-Grahib and, as any journalist will tell you, it won't be the aid that people will remember.

You damn well better get used to it....For WE aren't going anywheres but Everywheres for the betterment of this world.
Ah, not necessarily, you see all Empires fall eventually I can safely say that if the US tries to go erveywhere then it will fall pretty quickly.

On a different note, as you seem to believe that 'the betterment of the world' justifies imposing a specfic way of life everywhere I suggest you look quite closely at the Nordic nations. They kick ass by pretty much every measure so I assume you will be campaigning for the US to put all its resources at their disposal?

Go away, little troll.
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You really are an ignorant little troll aren't you? Women's rights in Iraq were among the most advanced in the Middle East. Since the invasion they now live in fear and cannot leave the house unless accompanied by a male relative and dressed in a burkha for fear of retribution from the militias which YOU have failed utterly to control. Apologise now.

Just to clarify: I'm not suggesting that Saddam was a paragon of virtue and equality, only that to suggest that the invasion has helped Iraqi women is an outright lie.

Go away, little troll.
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You also win the thread.

Lets have God bless our civil rights, the Constitution and the American people. Not just those who "support" America. All Americans.

King, its people like you that give the rest of us Americans a bad name on boards like this. Settle down man, or at least provide palpable evidence on what you are saying before you go on a blind patriotic rant, because the people here will tear you to pieces lol.

Lets have God bless our civil rights, the Constitution and the American people. Not just those who "support" America. All Americans.

Indeed. Including those that don't even believe in "god"

Indeed. Including those that don't even believe in "god"

I'll drink to that! :)

Indeed. Including those that don't even believe in "god"

Indeed. Just going by the thread title with the God thing. :cool:

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"


Why do you hate Freedom?

I'll drink to that! :)

Heres to US in all its varied forms.

Indeed. Just going by the thread title with the God thing. :cool:

I will say a hearty "Hail Satan!" to America and its people. Even those who don't beleive as I do.

Why do you hate Freedom?

*wonders the same thing*

'Course, to Busheviks, dissent = treason, not that that's news to anyone. :(

If you want a banana republic why don't you go live in one.

Just to clarify: I'm not suggesting that Saddam was a paragon of virtue and equality, only that to suggest that the invasion has helped Iraqi women is an outright lie.

Yes, I think most of us understand what you were saying. But it's probably not a bad idea to spell it out, when you see the OP...

I hate you all for this.

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"Fascist.

to anyone who posted some really long reply:

let's not confuse the little boy with facts. he prolly will not understand.

to anyone who posted some really long reply:

let's not confuse the little boy with facts. he prolly will not understand.

BLASPHEMER! Thou musn't speak the word of 'F'!

If you want a banana republic why don't you go live in one.

Best response yet.

*applauds*

to anyone who posted some really long reply:

let's not confuse the little boy with facts. he prolly will not understand.

No, he'll probably apply a little doublethink and ignore them. Remember, ignorance is strength.

This thread has copious amounts of lame.


I'm glad I got to reply first.

5 pages later and the OP has not replied once. lulz.

Fascist.
They are coming out of the closet. :eek:

No, he'll probably apply a little doublethink and ignore them. Remember, ignorance is strength.

no. king bodacious is prolly just some 8 year old boy who is hearing all this stuff about amrica and from that thinks he is living in a great country. he does not understand what this world really looks like.

5 pages later and the OP has not replied once. lulz.
He is hiding underneath his bridge or is tending his troll booth perhaps.

5 pages later and the OP has not replied once. lulz.

if you mean king bodacious then I thought so, because that is typical of trolls.

no. king bodacious is prolly just some 8 year old boy who is hearing all this stuff about amrica and from that thinks he is living in a great country. he does not understand what this world really looks like.

O'Reilly read a letter from a 14-year old boy who read one of his books and said it was the greatest book ever. I tell you these people are corrupting our youth. :(

no. king bodacious is prolly just some 8 year old boy who is hearing all this stuff about amrica and from that thinks he is living in a great country. he does not understand what this world really looks like.
Apparently he is a little older then you give him credit for:

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11744738&postcount=11

Apparently he is a little older then you give him credit for:

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11744738&postcount=11

Or he's an 8 year old driver? ;)

They are coming out of the closet. :eek:If he dislikes dissent so much, he can leave my country and go to one where it is frowned upon.

He is hiding underneath his bridge or is tending his troll booth perhaps.

You win the thread...AGAIN! :)

If he dislikes dissent so much, he can leave my country and go to one where it is frowned upon.

You mean it's not disliked here? :(

*cough* Bush Administration *cough*

Apparently he is a little older then you give him credit for:

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11744738&postcount=11

maybe he pretends to own one.

You mean it's not disliked here? :(

*cough* Bush Administration *cough*

No, it is not disliked here. The Bush administration has bent over backwards to allow protesters who give succor to our enemies. What they are doing is borderline treason -- they are encouraging another terrorist attack.

No, it is not disliked here. The Bush administration has bent over backwards to allow protesters who give succor to our enemies. What they are doing is borderline treason -- they are encouraging another terrorist attack.

In the course of human events the xylophone has played a major part in historical revisionism. With its invention by Galileo in 1964 Goldwaterism spread like fire though the states of Mississippi and Ireland. It is clear that the hamster must be murdered and eaten and its bowels ripped out and made into more wind chimes in order to stop global warming, thus preventing female infertility and lowering the Asian abortion rate ratio to mass. The rate of free fall acceleration is 9.81 kg per cubic feet of air squared. Therefore mutual implosion will not impede on the earth’s ability to bald.

In the course of human events the xylophone has played a major part in historical revisionism. With its invention by Galileo in 1964 Goldwaterism spread like fire though the states of Mississippi and Ireland. It is clear that the hamster must be murdered and eaten and its bowels ripped out and made into more wind chimes in order to stop global warming, thus preventing female infertility and lowering the Asian abortion rate ratio to mass. The rate of free fall acceleration is 9.81 kg per cubic feet of air squared. Therefore mutual implosion will not impede on the earth’s ability to bald.

Amen. :)

stuff

I see. A debate is kind of pointless if it regresses into mindless gibberish, you know.

God bless amarica for sending soldiers, bombs and death across the world!

and god hate cuba for sending doctors to save peopels lifes :cool:

God bless amarica for sending soldiers, bombs and death across the world!

and god hate cuba for sending doctors to save peopels lifes :cool:
Not a good way to make your first post, tiger.

No, he'll probably apply a little doublethink and ignore them. Remember, ignorance is strength.

And then he'll be the government's slave, as Slavery Is Freedom. :D

With what you have to be "proud of" you'll be very lucky indeed if God blesses you.

Not a good way to make your first post, tiger.

lol why not its true isent it :rolleyes:

What they are doing is borderline treason -- they are encouraging another terrorist attack.
Please provide some proof (bolding mine).

God bless amarica for sending soldiers, bombs and death across the world!

and god hate cuba for sending doctors to save peopels lifes :cool:

Cuba sends soldiers, bombs, and death across the world, too.

Please provide some proof (bolding mine).

Terrorism still exists, therefore the protestors are blocking the road to freedom, security, and no pre-marital sex.

God bless amarica for sending soldiers, bombs and death across the world!

and god hate cuba for sending doctors to save peopels lifes :cool:
Good first post.

I see. A debate is kind of pointless if it regresses into mindless gibberish, you know.

Ah, glad to see an opposing viewpoint has shown up. A one-sided debate gets boring.

I believe, however, that the point made, albeit in an odd manner, was that your statement was wrong. George Bush, generally, has done little 'bending over backwards'. He has refused to see protesters, allow them near him, etc., as well as spreading the 'dissent is treason' rhetoric.

More to the point, even if George Bush had allowed, with no qualms, the protestors free reign to protest, it would be only his resposibility. Clearly stated in the bill of rights in our constitution are the rights to free speech and assembly. It isn't a democracy if you don't air all the views. Sometimes, the leaders really are wrong.
Anyway, I doubt that the protestors are doing much to encourage terrorists. I rather doubt Islamic Fanatics care about the president's popularity. They will do their best to strike, no matter how well liked the leadership is.

Edit:
"Those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor saftey."
--Benjamin Franklin

God does not exist. next.


Boy are you in for a rude awakening!

Not a good way to make your first post, tiger.
Perhaps he was being a tad sarcastic?

No, it is not disliked here. The Bush administration has bent over backwards to allow protesters who give succor to our enemies. What they are doing is borderline treason -- they are encouraging another terrorist attack.You can go to Iran too, if you want. You'll probably enjoy their crackdowns on student rallies.

Boy are you in for a rude awakening!

Yeah, God's gonna kick his ass with his non-existent legs of doom.

If god blessed America then why is all the oil under people who hate us?

Futhermore, America is going downhill. People like the person who made this post are the REASON America is going downhill. This He-Man approach to the world is the reason this country's days are numbered. The sheer ignorance of the vast majority of this country has doomed us. The best country in the world? Yeah, maybe if you're on board with a Fortune 500 company. The rest of the people are poor and living in a haze that Jesus is going to come kill all the evil people...

Go figure.

Seriously. Stop hurting America.

america: How many years are left for its REPUBLIC???!!!! (it is not a democracy. Do not say it is. It is a republic; maybe it is a weakly democratic republic, but it is NOT a democracy.)

I see. A debate is kind of pointless if it regresses into mindless gibberish, you know.
From what I have seen of your posts, you tend to dictate, rather than debate. Your worldview is seriously skewed. :p

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11753917&postcount=518

From what I have seen of your posts, you tend to dictate, rather than debate. Your worldview is seriously skewed. :p

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11753917&postcount=518

You said a mouthful, Chuck! :D

Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Lets all let the happy little troll rest a little folks.

Mock my words

Laughs at the assclown troll (http://home.maine.rr.com/waassaap/Forum%20Pictures/assclown.jpg)

Cuba sends soldiers, bombs, and death across the world, too.

tell me one place outside cuba theres cuban soldiers please

Yeah, God's gonna kick his ass with his non-existent legs of doom.


Both of you will see ... keep laughing until it's to late!

tell me one place outside cuba theres cuban soldiers please

The genocide in Finland.

tell me one place outside cuba theres cuban soldiers please

At present, none. But have you heard of Angola and Ethiopia?

At present, none. But have you heard of Angola and Ethiopia?

Yes but that was a while ago lol

The genocide in Finland.

huh?

Both of you will see ... keep laughing until it's to late!

That's not a very Christian thing to say.

The genocide in Finland.

No, that was Bob Dole's doing.

tell me one place outside cuba theres cuban soldiers pleaseThe Cubans were active in Angola back in the day.

I have said this before and I will say it again. Not all Americans agree with George W. Bush. I voted against the man in both elections to no avail. Thank God he is limited to two consecutive terms. God forbid the possiblity of his running again after someone else's term. I believe in doing good for people, but I am only one person among many. I did grieve for the people killed in the towers attack and believe it to be an act of cowardess. But I don't believe that making war because of it was the way to go because God said that vengence was his alone. Mr. Bush says he is a God fearing man and alot of the Christian community believed that he was, some still do. But I think that the majority of American's are finally seeing his true colors.

Thank God he is limited to two consecutive terms.

Hear, hear.

Bush's true colors:

Ave GPA-around a 2
IQ- 90s
Intellect- Dee Dee Dee
Political Philosophy- Conservative

america's Need for Bush (0 being neutral, 10 being godsend)= -5

Has anyone actually talked to this God fellow about all of this?

Maybe you should try

http://www.titane.ca/concordia/dfar251/igod/main.html

Has anyone actually talked to this God fellow about all of this?

He put us on hold about 2000 years ago.

Has anyone actually talked to this God fellow about all of this?

I did. Nice guy. *nod*

He doesn't really like it when people kill eachother in His name. He is of the opinion that He is more than capable of killing in His own name. *nod*

He makes great sushi too. :)

He put us on hold about 2000 years ago.

lol

I did. Nice guy. *nod*

He doesn't really like it when people kill eachother in His name. He is of the opinion that He is more than capable of killing in His own name. *nod*

He makes great sushi too. :)

He also says that I might rule the universe.

He also says that I might rule the universe.

He told me the same thing. He needs to make a decision, and soon. :p

May Allah in his infinite wisdom watch over the lands of North America. Subhanahu wa Ta`ala.

That's not a very Christian thing to say.

Isn't it? The scripture says not to casts your pearls among swine. If I am guilty of anything it is that I still care enough about people the world over to continue in the face of so many who mock Jesus' teachings. I continue to try to tell people on these forums of Jesus and his teachings. Yet I am mocked because of it. Do you realize that by mocking me in these instances, the people involved are mocking God too. No I am not calling everyone here swine. Let those who will hear the truth realize that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. To those of you who mock this as fiction then I feel very sorry for you because hell is real.

Has anyone actually talked to this God fellow about all of this?


Good idea ... how about we all do that.

would God bless a murder of the innocents?
would God bless a war based on pride?
would God bless a money-hungry government? no.
would God bless our ineffective court system?
God bless the sweatshops we run.
would God bless Amerika?
God bless Amerika.

Rise against, great band.truth be told thats one my favourite songs of theirs

Isn't it? The scripture says not to casts your pearls among swine.
We're not meant to scorn sinners we're meant to teach them and understand them. The sick need doctors.

Rise against, great band.truth be told thats one my favourite songs of theirs

Personally I'm more of an Set Your AM Dial For White Empowerment kind of person myself.

I feel very sorry for you because hell is real.

If I do end up in hell for not worshipping some divinity or other, at least I'll spend eternity basking in the blissful knowledge that I'm a better person than God.

america: How many years are left for its REPUBLIC???!!!! (it is not a democracy. Do not say it is. It is a republic; maybe it is a weakly democratic republic, but it is NOT a democracy.)

A weakly democratic republic? Oh, yeah, because we don't really have much say in the government. After all, we only get to pick our senators, representatives, and presidents. We only get to decide every single person who runs our country -- that's not enough! Seriously, take your skewed view of America to Iran or Venezuela; I'm sure they'd listen to you. Your insanity doesn't fly here.

A weakly democratic republic? Oh, yeah, because we don't really have much say in the government. After all, we only get to pick our senators, representatives, and presidents. We only get to decide every single person who runs our country -- that's not enough! Seriously, take your skewed view of America to Iran or Venezuela; I'm sure they'd listen to you. Your insanity doesn't fly here.

Nah. They wouldn't except it. He didn't mention Satan, impearilism, oil, or reptilloids.

We're not meant to scorn sinners we're meant to teach them and understand them. The sick need doctors.

Only to a point ... you can only help those who wish to be helped and
my only responsiblity is to spread the good news of Jesus. If any person rejects it " enough times " then the scripture I just quoted is the rule. It's not my rule, it's Gods word.

He also says that I might rule the universe.

Then He laughed. :)

Ooooh! An ignorant rant from a true troll. How refreshing :rolleyes:


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Boy are you in for a rude awakening!

why do you say that?

If I do end up in hell for not worshipping some divinity or other, at least I'll spend eternity basking in the blissful knowledge that I'm a better person than God.

I'm sorry you feel that way, I don't want anyone to end up in hell. That is a choice that only each individual can make for themselves. God doesn't want anyone to end up in hell either but he did give us all free will. Which is why we have a choice to begin with. So before you decide against God ... please ... make sure it's what you really believe. What if Christianlty is the truth?

Well, if voicing my feelings, opinions, pride, & the love of my country defines me as a troll then yes I must be a troll.

As for the person who posted, "Why is the oil under the people who hate us" or something of that sorts, have you forgotten that we are sitting on top of a heck of a lot of oil. We're obviously, are waiting for theirs to run low, so we, one day, will control the worlds oil distribution.

Oh, I keep forgetting that America only distributes propaganda. The rest of the world would never stoop to that level. I keep forgetting that all the bickering and anti-America and all the hateful things said about America is your way of showing us the Love. Let's keep the Love coming. I didn't realize how much you actually do Love America.

Obiously, since I didn't reply to some of your hate propaganda and rhettoric right away, probably suggests that I do have more important things to do instead of replying to your childish behaviours.

Oh, I also forgot your freedom of speech is different than mine. I must be an evil person for showing my love for my country, my support for our troops, my love for our allies, and so on.

For the record, no I do not agree with all of our policies or handlings of certain issues. Atleast, unlike some of you, I do have pride in my country. I do love my country and if it makes you feel better to compare us with Hitler, then so be it. If it makes you feel better to play kiddie games of name calling, then so be it.

Remember, freedom of speech is not limited to only the European nations but for the United States of America.

If it makes me an evil person for saying, "God Bless America", then so be it.

I'm sorry you feel that way, I don't want anyone to end up in hell. That is a choice that only each individual can make for themselves. God doesn't want anyone to end up in hell either but he did give us all free will. Which is why we have a choice to begin with. So before you decide against God ... please ... make sure it's what you really believe. What if Christianlty is the truth?

Yup, done that.

why do you say that?

I beleive I have explained why I said that ... so please don't ask me to retype all of the above.

A weakly democratic republic? Oh, yeah, because we don't really have much say in the government. After all, we only get to pick our senators, representatives, and presidents. We only get to decide every single person who runs our country -- that's not enough!
Did you miss the point of that statement flying over your head?

Seriously, take your skewed view of America to Iran or Venezuela; I'm sure they'd listen to you. Your insanity doesn't fly here.
So, when you don't have a clue what to say, do you just automatically just run into clichéd hyperbole? Or do you just try to spout it out at any given opportunity?

Yup, done that.



Cool

I beleive I have explained why I said that ... so please don't ask me to retype all of the above.

so you claim god exists and he is going to beat me up for not believing in him?

Well, if voicing my feelings, opinions, pride, & the love of my country defines me as a troll then yes I must be a troll.

As for the person who posted, "Why is the oil under the people who hate us" or something of that sorts, have you forgotten that we are sitting on top of a heck of a lot of oil. We're obviously, are waiting for theirs to run low, so we, one day, will control the worlds oil distribution.

Oh, I keep forgetting that America only distributes propaganda. The rest of the world would never stoop to that level. I keep forgetting that all the bickering and anti-America and all the hateful things said about America is your way of showing us the Love. Let's keep the Love coming. I didn't realize how much you actually do Love America.

Obiously, since I didn't reply to some of your hate propaganda and rhettoric right away, probably suggests that I do have more important things to do instead of replying to your childish behaviours.

Oh, I also forgot your freedom of speech is different than mine. I must be an evil person for showing my love for my country, my support for our troops, my love for our allies, and so on.

For the record, no I do not agree with all of our policies or handlings of certain issues. Atleast, unlike some of you, I do have pride in my country. I do love my country and if it makes you feel better to compare us with Hitler, then so be it. If it makes you feel better to play kiddie games of name calling, then so be it.

Remember, freedom of speech is not limited to only the European nations but for the United States of America.

If it makes me an evil person for saying, "God Bless America", then so be it.

It's the manner in which you voice your beliefs. And insulting Europeans, etc.

Yup, done that.

Yeah, it was boring.

yes I must be a troll.

True


Oh, I also forgot your freedom of speech is different than mine.

Yes it is, seeing as how you told people to leave if they don't agree, that negates freedom of speech.

I'm sorry you feel that way, I don't want anyone to end up in hell. That is a choice that only each individual can make for themselves. God doesn't want anyone to end up in hell either but he did give us all free will. Which is why we have a choice to begin with. So before you decide against God ... please ... make sure it's what you really believe. What if Christianlty is the truth?

a) Free will isn't enough to make me into a Christian. If I lack faith, and if reason tells me there is no God, then all the will in the world will not make me a Christian... for then I would be a hypocrite, embracing a religion I do not believe in, simply so as to avoid a hypothetical punishment.

b) If there were a God, why would he punish non-believers? You make him sound like a bully, and a hypocrite: "Worship me of your own free will, or else...". Rather as if a candidate in an election were to put a gun to someone's head and say: "You will now choose freely to vote for me, or else...".

Yeah, it was boring.

Yeah it was, but it had to be done.

Hmm we seem to be hijacking (http://home.maine.rr.com/waassaap/Forum%20Pictures/hijack.jpg) this thread here and turning it into some kinda religious debate.

Bandwagon. I.

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so you claim god exists and he is going to beat me up for not believing in him?



I don't have to claim he exists, he existed a long time before anyone on this forum was even a gleam in their daddies eye. Beyond that he isn't forcing you to believe in him, but there are consequences for actions taken. All you need to do is make the correct decision. Sounds easy doesn't it but it's not. After all the best things of the world never are ... are they?

Hmm we seem to be hijacking (http://home.maine.rr.com/waassaap/Forum%20Pictures/hijack.jpg) this thread here and turning it into some kinda religious debate.

Nothing wrong with that. The OP author has indicated he's not interested in a debate.

Well, if voicing my feelings, opinions, pride, & the love of my country defines me as a troll then yes I must be a troll.
It's not what you say, it's how you say it that makes you an troll.


As for the person who posted, "Why is the oil under the people who hate us" or something of that sorts, have you forgotten that we are sitting on top of a heck of a lot of oil. We're obviously, are waiting for theirs to run low, so we, one day, will control the worlds oil distribution.
If there indeed exsists such a master plan, then I shall bow down before its creators.

As of now, however, I don't believe a word of it.
Oh, I keep forgetting that America only distributes propaganda. The rest of the world would never stoop to that level. I keep forgetting that all the bickering and anti-America and all the hateful things said about America is your way of showing us the Love. Let's keep the Love coming. I didn't realize how much you actually do Love America.
Abre los ojos.


Obiously, since I didn't reply to some of your hate propaganda and rhettoric right away, probably suggests that I do have more important things to do instead of replying to your childish behaviours.
Lucky you.
I waste my time replying to yours :)


Oh, I also forgot your freedom of speech is different than mine. I must be an evil person for showing my love for my country, my support for our troops, my love for our allies, and so on.
Had you only done so. But no, the only thing you showed was your hatred for other countries and other people.


Remember, freedom of speech is not limited to only the European nations but for the United States of America.
And what are you on about now... :rolleyes:


If it makes me an evil person for saying, "God Bless America", then so be it.

What makes you an evil person is that you in reality is saying "God Bless America - but no other country because they aren't us and thus don't deserve it."

Well, if voicing my feelings, opinions, pride, & the love of my country defines me as a troll then yes I must be a troll.
There is a difference between having a love for one's country and over the top jingoism. Indeed, I find it difficult to see how you see yourself as "loving your country." If you loved your country so, you wouldn't be telling your brothers to leave because you disagree with their politics. In other words, you love your (quasi-nationalistic) ideology, nothing else.

As for the person who posted, "Why is the oil under the people who hate us" or something of that sorts, have you forgotten that we are sitting on top of a heck of a lot of oil. We're obviously, are waiting for theirs to run low, so we, one day, will control the worlds oil distribution.
Yeah. Right. Can I have your tin foil hat?

Oh, I keep forgetting that America only distributes propaganda. The rest of the world would never stoop to that level. I keep forgetting that all the bickering and anti-America and all the hateful things said about America is your way of showing us the Love. Let's keep the Love coming. I didn't realize how much you actually do Love America.
Although I can't quite discern your point, primarily because it is useless ranting, I'll have a go. I disagree with American foreign policy. I dislike your President. In fact, I think he's a useless c**t. But, I've been on holiday in America, watch American films and TV shows. I listen to American bands. I even chose to study parts of American history for GCSE and A level.

You don't have to agree with every country's leader and policy to like a country. Almost nobody hates America the way you seem to think. What people do hate is what your leaders do.

Obiously, since I didn't reply to some of your hate propaganda and rhettoric right away, probably suggests that I do have more important things to do instead of replying to your childish behaviours.
Ooh. Get you.

Oh, I also forgot your freedom of speech is different than mine. I must be an evil person for showing my love for my country, my support for our troops, my love for our allies, and so on.
I don't quite recall anybody telling you to leave America because of your political orientation.

For the record, no I do not agree with all of our policies or handlings of certain issues. Atleast, unlike some of you, I do have pride in my country. I do love my country and if it makes you feel better to compare us with Hitler, then so be it. If it makes you feel better to play kiddie games of name calling, then so be it.
So let me get this straight. You're accusing 'us' of mudslinging? After your OP?

Remember, freedom of speech is not limited to only the European nations but for the United States of America.
Unless you happen to be a US undesirable disagreeing with US foreign (or perhaps domestic) policy, where either you leave or put up and shut up. Free speech is great if you're only allowed to say what you agree with.

If it makes me an evil person for saying, "God Bless America", then so be it.
And who accused you of that? Do you have a guilty conscience or summat?

God bless this boil what's in need of lancing.

As for the person who posted, "Why is the oil under the people who hate us" or something of that sorts, have you forgotten that we are sitting on top of a heck of a lot of oil. We're obviously, are waiting for theirs to run low, so we, one day, will control the worlds oil distribution.

... Right. We're using our oil too, y'know? Once their oil runs low, this country will shut down. You do realize that we can't even begin to survive on our own oil supply, don't you?

Oh, I keep forgetting that America only distributes propaganda. The rest of the world would never stoop to that level. I keep forgetting that all the bickering and anti-America and all the hateful things said about America is your way of showing us the Love. Let's keep the Love coming. I didn't realize how much you actually do Love America.

Here's where you need to get something straight. Just because someone questions the current government does not mean they hate America, Americans, or anyone. People like you just need an excuse to justify your hatred of anyone who is slightly different, so you've made up this not-so-elaborate idea that everyone who doesn't vote Republican and go to church hates America. What happens if the people who are questioning our current administration take majority power soon? Would that mean that the American government hates America?

Oh, I also forgot your freedom of speech is different than mine. I must be an evil person for showing my love for my country, my support for our troops, my love for our allies, and so on.

Here's where you're wrong again.

I love my country. That's why I want to help it by fighting fascist conservative right-wingers like you.

I support our troops. That's why I don't want them in harms way for NO JUSTIFIED REASON.

I do love my country and if it makes you feel better to compare us with Hitler, then so be it.

No, here's where you're messing up. There's different types of America. All of us love our country. There is no "us." All Americans don't agree with you. So when someone compares YOU to Hitler they're not comparing ME to Hitler.

So what? You automatically think I'm from Europe because I think that the Christian right is the most fascist group on earth? Try again. I'm from the heart of the Bible Belt.

Nothing wrong with that. The OP author has indicated he's not interested in a debate.

Fair enough.......carry on ;)

Nothing wrong with that. The OP author has indicated he's not interested in a debate.

Oh well you think I hijacked this thread. I suppose your flaming King Bodacious because of his beliefs is what this thread is supposed to be about isn't it. Your choice is made then isn't it. I have said all I will in this thread ... except that regardless of whether or not Bodacious is correct or not ... he has a right to his own opinion ... because he is an American. Can all of you say that?

Oh well you think I hijacked this thread. I suppose your flaming King Bodacious because of his beliefs is what this thread is supposed to be about isn't it. Your choice is made then isn't it. I have said all I will in this thread ... except that regardless of whether or not Bodacious is correct or not ... he has a right to his own opinion ... because he is an American. Can all of you do say that?

Several people did, myself included, don't get so pent up about it.

Everyone has a right to their beliefs, not just Americans. And as for the flaming, it was because of HOW he said what he did not just the content.

Remember that TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT? Last I checked, that's more than my entire city is worth, in human lives, resources, and land (the land is worth a good chuck of the net value. Valuable property.).


What dollar amount do you place upon human lives in your city?

Well, if voicing my feelings, opinions, pride, & the love of my country defines me as a troll then yes I must be a troll.

http://www.senatemajority.com/images/upload/Image/dramaqueen.jpg

If it makes me an evil person for saying, "God Bless America", then so be it.

You must get very lonely up there on your cross.

The Christian God doesn't withold His blessings from those who do not support Statism, militarism, or jingoism. Fuck you, fascist bully-boys. Fuck you all the way back down into your gated communities.

In portuguese they'd call this thread "fodido mas contente."

In portuguese they'd call this thread "fodido mas contente."

and in English?

F*cked but happy about it.

A weakly democratic republic? Oh, yeah, because we don't really have much say in the government. After all, we only get to pick our senators, representatives, and presidents. We only get to decide every single person who runs our country -- that's not enough!

That is the textbook definition of a republic.

I even gave you a little more than the books do, so calm yourself.

Seriously, take your skewed view of America to Iran or Venezuela; I'm sure they'd listen to you. Your insanity doesn't fly here.

Oh yeah, I'm insane because i actually know what I'm saying. :rolleyes:

You people have to realize that the PLEDGE says it's a republic. Yeah, it's right in there:

"I pledge alleignace... flag/of...America/and to the Republic..."

And a republic isn't a bad thing. I'm just tired of the misuse of terminology.

*snip*
I am a firm believer that they're a heck of a lot more good out there then bad. I find it very unfortunate that the little bit of bad, is a whole lot louder than the Good. Mock my words, the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

Also, for the ones who are getting tired of seeing the American Flag flying high........You damn well better get used to it....For WE aren't going anywheres but Everywheres for the betterment of this world.

May God Bless America, our Troops, and all of YOU who support America!!

How can I possibly do that any better than you already have?

What dollar amount do you place upon human lives in your city?

I personally do not; however, as many civil court cases have proven, the US does. It is a figure based on gross income and another million or so, depending on age.

And a republic isn't a bad thing. I'm just tired of the misuse of terminology.
Yeah, but we musn't let actual facts get in the way of a good right-wing rant, must we?

Yeah, but we musn't let actual facts get in the way of a good right-wing rant, must we?

Who needs facts when Jesus is on your side?

Who needs facts when Jesus is on your side?Didn't work for the Nazis...

Yeah, but we musn't let actual facts get in the way of a good right-wing rant, must we?

Ah yes. I forgot about their 'truthiness' ideal...

For those of you who don't know, 'truthiness' is a sort of 'gut feeling', an 'intuition'.

(I posted this as a reply in another thread and after submitting it, I felt I should make it into a new topic)

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"

Don't let the door hit you on the you know what.

Actually, I'll stay right here and fight for my country, thanks.

If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all over the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?

We have jobs. Jobs does not equate to 100% moral superiority.

Ask the Mexicans and Cubans who make it to our shores and land what they think of America. Ask the Iraqis and other middle easterners, who are in America, what they think of us.

Ask me, a US citizen, what I think of this current administration.

As for Canada, I couldn't care less what the hell they think. They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.

LOL FRANCE BASH.


I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness.

No one's asking you to. You have an exagerrated sense of your own self-importance.

I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters, if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo, then "Oh well". I will NOT apologize for us, Americans, sending billions and billions of US dollars across the globe. I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and the Americans and our allies finally doing something about it. To the rest of you, you have no back bone, no morals, no hope, no common sense, no pride, etc...

I will NOT apologize to socialist twats like you. You have no backbone, no morals, no hope or common sense, etc. You have no brains, no mothers too! Yeah! And while we're at it, why don't you go to China? You know, they like socialism there.


As for the UN, they are a failed organization. I say ship them out to Paris. They have got to go. I'm tired of our hard earned tax dollars pouring into that corrupt and failed organization.

"our" hard earned tax dollars? Since you don't have pubic hair yet, you really have no right to pretend you earn money, let alone play this financial-martyr act where you're suffering because you pay for the UN.

NOTE: To all those who feed off of the constant bickering and whining over America and our policies......I say this to you..... :upyours

To you and you specifically, I say this - you need to shoot yourself in the head. That is, if gun ownership is still a right you support.


Mock my words, the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

Oh, is that a threat? Combined with a Nixon phrase. It's sad because Nixon woulda had far more brains than either you or the corrupt, bungling administration you seem to equate with Godhood.

I WILL mock your words, and I mock you, and I mock your motherless self. You can masturbate to some vague notion of an upcoming Krystallnacht for the "anti Americans" all you like, kid. Meanwhile try graduating from something higher than elementary school and people might take you seriously.

But probably not.

snipage

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lol..

People like you, make USA a bad place.

A weakly democratic republic? Oh, yeah, because we don't really have much say in the government. After all, we only get to pick our senators, representatives, and presidents. We only get to decide every single person who runs our country -- that's not enough! Seriously, take your skewed view of America to Iran or Venezuela; I'm sure they'd listen to you. Your insanity doesn't fly here.

Not really.

Judges, Secretaries, the FCC, and many more people who have even more direct contact with average Americans than the president, senators or representatives.

Next!

I feel like repeating the previous replies, but whatever:


If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"


Luckily, I am not. If I would be, I'd take the first plane to Europe or Canada.


If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all over the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?


The War For Oil doesn't affect their lifes. And they need money to feed themselves and their families.


Ask the Mexicans and Cubans who make it to our shores and land what they think of America. Ask the Iraqis and other middle easterners, who are in America, what they think of us.

Most of the immigrants propably don't give a fuck about politics. But I happened to ask a feller - not an immigrant unless the 18th century counts - from New York and he doesn't support the War For Oil or Bush.


Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up your countries are?


I'll take my own country - Finland - as an example. Tell me, what's exactly so much wrong? Public healthcare? Social welfare? The lack of corruption? Low crime rates?


I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness. I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters, if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo, then "Oh well". I will NOT apologize for us, Americans, sending billions and billions of US dollars across the globe. I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and the Americans and our allies finally doing something about it. To the rest of you, you have no back bone, no morals, no hope, no common sense, no pride, etc...


America's what? Sure, killing/imprisoning "terrorists and terrorist supporters" is fine, but how about torturing and kililng civilians? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_War#U.S._Armed_Forces)


For all those who cry, "Human rights," where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered.

At home. May I ask you, where the hell were you at when those Iraqis at Abu Ghraib were tortured, raped and murdeded? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse)


The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN.......

It's called justice. Not sure if you have experienced it too much in the US, but try looking it up in a dictionary. Or if that sounds too difficult to you, try Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice)


As for the UN, they are a failed organization. I say ship them out to Paris. They have got to go. I'm tired of our hard earned tax dollars pouring into that corrupt and failed organization.
America!!

Instead, you want to give your tax dollars to Bush's goverment so that the chimp can send more of your fellow americans to die just to get a bit cheaper oil?


I am a firm believer that they're a heck of a lot more good out there then bad. I find it very unfortunate that the little bit of bad, is a whole lot louder than the Good. Mock my words, the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

If you consider cheap fuel more important than the lives of hundreds of thousands of people (thousands of them Americans), sure, there's much more good than bad in the politics of the US. And yeah, I'll be happy to mock your words.


Also, for the ones who are getting tired of seeing the American Flag flying high........You damn well better get used to it....For WE aren't going anywheres but Everywheres for the betterment of this world.

I don't think war makes the world a better place to anyone, really, except the US goverment: They can drive around in their limos with the cheap fuel that only took three years to get (for now, don't know when will the situation in Iraq calm down if ever) and only cost a few hundred millions of dollars and the lives of 3000 americans.


May God Bless America, our Troops, and all of YOU who support America!!

With your constant bullshit about "God bless America", you somehow remind me of a few guys dressed in balaclavas, wrapped with bombs and shouting "Allahu Akbar". Why? Both are religious fanatics.

Let me make this clear. I do NOT hate the world. I simply dislike some of your views of America and what you think you know.

I also do not agree with that you're only upset with our government. By reading some of these threads throughout, some of you appear to be very hateful people. You accuse me of being hateful, some have even accused me of being a racist neo-con. If I am as much of a racist neo-con, I ask, Why would I not only allow a Cuban to move into my house but also a lady from the Phillipines? (Don't worry the Cuban is here legally and his wife is in the US Army. Go Army!!!) Not to mention I have many friends of different races.

I understand now. You have explained it so well to me. Since I disagree with what some of you think, I must be a troll.

I find it quite humorous about how many different meanings "God Bless America" has.

Thank you for setting my straight.

By the way, God Bless America, our Troops, and our Allies and May God have mercy and help the rest see the Light.

Not really.

Judges, Secretaries, the FCC, and many more people who have even more direct contact with average Americans than the president, senators or representatives.

Next!

This sounds like an agreement to me...

Did King Bodacious actually say that the US has lots of oil under it's bordered soil -- and that **can't stop snickering** we're waiting for "theirs" to run out so that **must...not...guffaw...** WE will contril the world market?

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

*whew!*

Okay, if this is even CLOSE to true, it ignores the entire point of an oil company's existence! TO MAKE MONEY. Why the flying monkey spank would companies keep drilling deeper and more expensive wells in more forbidding AND EXPENSIVE places to get less and less oil out of the ground?

I know that's too much thinking for Bad King Bod, but c'mon, man, at least make your tinfoil hat the right bleeding COLOR!

:D

Oh well you think I hijacked this thread.

I never said that.

I did, however, reply to a post of yours, and you have not addressed my reply.


I suppose your flaming King Bodacious because of his beliefs is what this thread is supposed to be about isn't it.

I beg your pardon?


Your choice is made then isn't it. I have said all I will in this thread ... except that regardless of whether or not Bodacious is correct or not ... he has a right to his own opinion ... because he is an American. Can all of you say that?

Of course he has a right to his own opinion - however simplistic and ill-informed it may be (and indeed is). And it may surprise you to know that Americans aren't the only ones entitled to an opinion. Here in France there is also freedom of opinion; and moreoever people don't try to silence those they disagree with. So yes, I can "say that".

This sounds like an agreement to me...

An agreement to what? He was attempting a palsied sarcasm by saying we "only" get to elect the president and congress. I was replying to his withered attempt at sarcasm by pointing out that far more Americans have dealings daily with people who aren't even CLOSE to elected. They're appointed, and only a few with any kind of oversight by elected officials.

(I posted this as a reply in another thread and after submitting it, I felt I should make it into a new topic)

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"


Don't let the door hit you on the you know what.

That's one reason for making you a troll


As for Canada, I couldn't care less what the hell they think.

There's another

They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.

And a third

Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up your countries are?

Anyone for golf? (geddit? Four/FORE! /lame)

:upyours:

5 x troll

NOTE: To all those who feed off of the constant bickering and whining over America and our policies......I say this to you..... :upyours:

6 x


Let me make this clear. I do NOT hate the world. I simply dislike some of your views of America and what you think you know.

Really....after the rant about Canada and France and the EU above:rolleyes:


I understand now. You have explained it so well to me. Since I disagree with what some of you think, I must be a troll.

That isn't it at all, I have nothing against America I just can't stand Americans who go over the top with the "we're America, we're great/everyone else sucks" attitude that a FEW seem to have


Thank you for setting my straight.

You're most welcome! :)

You accuse me of being hateful,

Gee, I guess telling anyone who disagrees with the government to go to Canada or France -and then bashing France - and the UN - and giving your little "upyours" emoticons to express your angry widdo self - gives that impression.

But it's probably just liberal lies! Yes, we're unfairly treating you as if you were an angry, whining bitch!

If I am as much of a racist neo-con, I ask, Why would I not only allow a Cuban to move into my house but also a lady from the Phillipines?

"I'm not a racist, one of my friends is black."

You're a joke is what you are.


I understand now. You have explained it so well to me. Since I disagree with what some of you think, I must be a troll.

Nah, because you post angry rants designed only to piss people off, and then pretend that you didn't.


I find it quite humorous about how many different meanings "God Bless America" has.

I could be wrong, and I'll be glad to correct myself if you can prove it, but your original post contains a bit more than "God Bless America."

By the way, God Bless America, our Troops, and our Allies and May God have mercy and help the rest see the Light.

God Bless America, and you're a fuckwad.

What? How dare you criticize me for saying God Bless America!

An agreement to what? He was attempting a palsied sarcasm by saying we "only" get to elect the president and congress. I was replying to his withered attempt at sarcasm by pointing out that far more Americans have dealings daily with people who aren't even CLOSE to elected. They're appointed, and only a few with any kind of oversight by elected officials.

I meant an agreement to what I said... sorry about the confusion.

Some of you people have a lot more hate than I do. By all of your anti-America propaganda and hateful remarks and playing kiddie name calling really shows how misinformed you are.

By comparing America to Hitler, well, that's about as hateful as you can get. Also, shows how misinformed you are.

It doesn't really matter how you misinterpreted my OP and reworded my sentences. I know I can not persuade you of the good America does in this world and how wrong and misinformed you are about the atrocities you accuse us of.

I also know how impossible it is to debate with one-sided thinkers. You're right, you won't ever convince me of how bad, evil, and wrong America is. You can try to persuade me until you're blue in the face and vice versa, too.

It's unfortunate for the frequent posters on NSG (not all but a lot) that all who disagrees with you are a troll.

I'm glad you are so right......whatever.

I feel the way I feel because I'm tired of misinformed people having no logics......bash, bash, bash........I think some of you probably get off on it but that's your business.

Have at it!

Indeed. Not this shit again.

I also do not agree with that you're only upset with our government. By reading some of these threads throughout, some of you appear to be very hateful people.

No, dearie. I dislike your government, and I dislike people who are incapable of having a rational, well-thought-out point of view. I have not an ounce of hatred within me. Hatred is irrational, blinding and unproductive. And I certainly don't "hate America", as you would conveniently like to believe. Voicing hatred against entire societies - as you do against my people - is the preserve of narrow-minded imbeciles. Americans are a very diverse, complex bunch, and many of them are intelligent, educated, tolerant, compassionate and curious about the world they live in. It is impossible for any intelligent person to hate Americans... or any other nationality.

I do not hate anyone. When I mock individual idiots - people less intelligent than me, unwilling to think and determined to see the world in black and white - I do so without hatred, and without anger, but with mirthful contempt, and a superior smile of amusement.

It doesn't really matter how you misinterpreted my OP and reworded my sentences.

It doesn't matter to you because you can't show I "misinterpreted" anything. Or "reworded." God, you really are paranoid, if you think I'm somehow INVENTING your own stupid words.


I also know how impossible it is to debate with one-sided thinkers.

You should - you're one of them. And you're not even trying to debate.


It's unfortunate for the frequent posters on NSG (not all but a lot) that all who disagrees with you are a troll.

People who troll are a troll. I just happen to disagree with your subject matter as well.

I'm glad you are so right......whatever.

Ooh, is that your idea of a snappy comeback? Valley-girl voice? "what-EVer! like omigawd! I'm too cool to read anything even if I wrote it!"

I feel the way I feel because I'm tired of misinformed people having no logics......bash, bash, bash........I think some of you probably get off on it but that's your business.

Have at it!

Okay - you're stupid and you're a hypocrite, because you bash other people and then complain about them bashing you. Am I getting anywhere? Or is all this, ya know, "reading" too much for your idiot self to handle?

I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and the Americans and our allies finally doing something about it. To the rest of you, you have no back bone, no morals, no hope, no common sense, no pride, etc...

For all those who cry, "Human rights," where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered.

Mock my words, the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

May God Bless America, our Troops, and all of YOU who support America!!

Unfortunately you make your words very easy to mock.
I am an American and I do support our soldiers, I have a close friend of mine in Iraq right now, but I in no way support this illegal immoral war.

Do you realize that in Iraq women had more rights before the first Gulf War than in any other Arab nation in the Middle East?
Iraq was not Afghanistan!

Iraqi women traditionally have enjoyed more rights, even under the Saddam regime, than women in the surrounding Arab countries. Now with the possibility of a Muslim conservative regime gaining power, Iraqi women are worried that their hard-won rights will be taken away. (http://courses.washington.edu/com361/Iraq/religion/women_iraq.html)
Historically, Iraqi women and girls have enjoyed relatively more rights than many of their counterparts in the Middle East. The Iraqi Provisional Constitution (drafted in 1970) formally guaranteed equal rights to women and other laws specifically ensured their right to vote, attend school, run for political office, and own property. Yet, since the 1991 Gulf War, the position of women within Iraqi society has deteriorated rapidly (http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/wrd/iraq-women.htm)
Prior to the arrival of U.S. forces, Iraqi women were free to go wherever they wish and wear whatever they like. The 1970 Iraqi constitution, gave Iraqi women equity and liberty unmatched in the Muslim World. Since the U.S. invasion, Iraqi women’s rights have fallen to the lowest level in Iraq’s history. Under the new U.S.-crafted constitution, which will be put to referendum on the 15 October while the bloodbath mounts each day, women’s rights will be oppressed and the role of women in Iraqi society will be curtailed and relegated to the caring for “children and the elderly”. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=HAS20051007&articleId=1054)

How dare you question my love of this country while you defend "the way we are going"?
I suppose you have no problem with a pResident that says:
"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked.

CNN.com, December 18, 2000 (http://www.newsgateway.ca/bush_dictator.htm)

I suppose you also agree that the Constitution of the United States of America is a "just a piece of paper" (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml)that can be ignored by the very people that have sworn to uphold it?


"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I suppose you support illegal wire-tapping without a warrant when a warrant can be granted up to 72 hours after the fact by the FISA court?
I suppose you support torture and murder as long as it is committed by your hero's?

I am a proud American!
I believe in the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights!
I believe in the rule of law!

This country was a great nation and can be again if we adhere to the principles that our country was founded on.
Blind devotion to bad leadership is not one of these principles.
It is our duty as Americans to constantly question our government and make damn sure they are running this country in accordance with the Constitution.

Whether our country is blessed or damned is up to us!

And to those of you that support an Administration that would ignore our Constitution and the Human Rights of all the people of the Earth :upyours:

Let me make this clear. I do NOT hate the world. I simply dislike some of your views of America and what you think you know.
Bullshit. You don't simply dislike our views; you want them to go away by sheer force of your displeasure. Ain't happening.
I also do not agree with that you're only upset with our government. By reading some of these threads throughout, some of you appear to be very hateful people. You accuse me of being hateful, some have even accused me of being a racist neo-con. If I am as much of a racist neo-con, I ask, Why would I not only allow a Cuban to move into my house but also a lady from the Phillipines? (Don't worry the Cuban is here legally and his wife is in the US Army. Go Army!!!) Not to mention I have many friends of different races.
Good help is so hard to find these days... :rolleyes:
I understand now. You have explained it so well to me. Since I disagree with what some of you think, I must be a troll.
No, you're a troll for other reasons, but don't let that get in the way of you enjoying a full-on pout with all the trimmings.
I find it quite humorous about how many different meanings "God Bless America" has.
And I find jingoism humourless. Vive la difference.
Thank you for setting my straight.
Whatever that is. Probably something to do with your gated community.
By the way, God Bless America, our Troops, and our Allies and May God have mercy and help the rest see the Light.
And by the way, God bless us all - no matter how thick some of us may be.

Some of you people have a lot more hate than I do. By all of your anti-America propaganda and hateful remarks and playing kiddie name calling really shows how misinformed you are.

By comparing America to Hitler, well, that's about as hateful as you can get. Also, shows how misinformed you are.

It doesn't really matter how you misinterpreted my OP and reworded my sentences. I know I can not persuade you of the good America does in this world and how wrong and misinformed you are about the atrocities you accuse us of.

I also know how impossible it is to debate with one-sided thinkers. You're right, you won't ever convince me of how bad, evil, and wrong America is. You can try to persuade me until you're blue in the face and vice versa, too.

It's unfortunate for the frequent posters on NSG (not all but a lot) that all who disagrees with you are a troll.

I'm glad you are so right......whatever.

I feel the way I feel because I'm tired of misinformed people having no logics......bash, bash, bash........I think some of you probably get off on it but that's your business.

Have at it!

*sighs* You just don't get it, do you?

First, america is becoming more and more fascist than in 1996 (what with all of the branches being Republican). Fascism means a state with one party ruling. We are closer than comfort allows...

Second, America had done good. Afghanistan was not the $#!thole (bleeped for whomever desires it to be that way) Iraq is. Afghanistan, IMO, was vital... compared to Iraq. Not the best idea, but it wasn't too bad.

-Now, of course, Shrub is trying to 'rebuild' Iraq, when he is only destroying it... A big :mad: for him.

Third, you are a hypocrite. Calling US one-sided? Use the mirror once in a while. OF course, you addressed it briefly, but I don't care. That was just a waste of time and space.

Fourth, you are a troll, IMO. Above were many examples of it...

Fifth, what are "logics"? Do you mean "logic"? Logic can only be singular. You seem to indicate that there is more than one type. That is like saying "There are many loves for sheep." MAkES NO SENSE.

Having said that, I am not only upset with you. The other side (the ultra-liberals who want our guns and our drugs and that) upsets me as well. I am:

Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

so...

I beleive that party politics needs to be abolished (along with the electoral college (obviously)) so that people will be elected based on WHO they are, not WHO they know or how much $$$ they own.

So, Bodacious aka Realamerica aka B.R.A. (I think you two are the same. Am i correct, because you two sound so much the same.), got anything to say?

Anyone else have a comment?

I know I can not persuade you of the good America does in this world and how wrong and misinformed you are about the atrocities you accuse us of.


Since you ignored it the first time, I'm posting this again:


Such as

* overthrowing a democratically elected government in Chile, installing and supporting a brutal dictator who murdered thousands of his own people
* supporting a pro-American dictatorship in Cuba, then making numerous (failed) assassination attempts on the man who overthrew that dictator
* installing and supporting (until recently) repressive dictatorial governments in South Korea
* supporting the pro-American dictatorship in Uzbekistan
* attempting then condoning the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo
* attempting to overthrow the democratically elected government of Venezuela
* shooting down a civilian Iranian aircraft "by mistake", filled with innocent people
* arming and funding terrorist groups in Nicaragua
* arming and funding Usama bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation
* supporting both sides alternately during the Iraq-Iran War, including aiding and arming Saddam Hussein

Now, don't get me wrong. The US has also done good things abroad. It's your inability to see the world in shades of grey which is saddening, and prevents you from actually understanding the world you live in, and reflecting upon it.


These are facts. You cannot persuade me I am wrong about facts. You cannot will them away, although you can pretend they never happened.

None of these crimes negate the good the US has done. Nobody is saying the US has only ever done bad things. I'm trying to get you to see that it is not all good. That will be a first step towards your acknowledging that the world is rather more complex than you've (willingly) been led to believe.

So, Bodacious aka Realamerica aka B.R.A. (I think you two are the same. Am i correct, because you two sound so much the same.), got anything to say?I don't think so. RealAmerica seemed more deliberate and claimed he was from Texas. Bodacious is apparently from Florida and isn't stooping to the low level of RA.

I don't think so. RealAmerica seemed more deliberate and claimed he was from Texas. Bodacious is apparently from Florida and isn't stooping to the low level of RA.

Funny, they sound so similar...

ah, who cares? They sound and think almost exactly alike, from what i've seen.

would God bless a murder of the innocents?
would God bless a war based on pride?
would God bless a money-hungry government? no.
would God bless our ineffective court system?
God bless the sweatshops we run.
would God bless Amerika?
God bless Amerika.
Nice.

A weakly democratic republic? Oh, yeah, because we don't really have much say in the government. After all, we only get to pick our senators, representatives, and presidents. We only get to decide every single person who runs our country -- that's not enough! Seriously, take your skewed view of America to Iran or Venezuela; I'm sure they'd listen to you. Your insanity doesn't fly here.
Actually Americans do not get to directly vote for the President. I am surprised that a Canadian is telling you this.

would God bless a murder of the innocents?
would God bless a war based on pride?
would God bless a money-hungry government? no.
would God bless our ineffective court system?
God bless the sweatshops we run.
would God bless Amerika?
God bless Amerika.

Would people risk death by dehydration in a desert, being shot by rednecks patrolling the border without badges, and arrest if caught in country, if the US sucked so bad?

Wow. Mexico, at least, must suck more than the US.

Would people risk death by dehydration in a desert, being shot by rednecks patrolling the border without badges, and arrest if caught in country, if the US sucked so bad?

Wow. Mexico, at least, must suck more than the US.

Give a shout-out to capitalism for that. Like you didn't already know. Jingoist.

Give a shout-out to capitalism for that. Like you didn't already know. Jingoist.

People must love capitalism, too. ;)

People must love capitalism, too. ;)People love scientology too. What's your point? :p

People love scientology too. What's your point? :p

No, we don't see people risking death to come to Scientology, where we have seen people risk death to leave it.

We see people risk death to come to the US, and capitalism.

I don't see people fleeing the US in droves, do you?

Actually Americans do not get to directly vote for the President. I am surprised that a Canadian is telling you this.

I know that. However, noone seems to think that said point matters at all.

However, it ensures that only Florida, Ohio, and New York matter in the elections. (FACT: Whichever party wins at least 2 of the aforementioned states has always won. It's true.)

In the US, it's not how many vote for someone, it's all about which states the group of voters is in (the less states they are in, the more their say counts).

I wonder why liberals can protest us going to war, when it doesn't even affect them at all. the people that go to war don't have a problem with it...why do liberals care? there such little whiny babies, sometimes.

P. S. who here likes pizza lunchables?

Let me make this clear. I do NOT hate the world. I simply dislike some of your views of America and what you think you know.


What part of "Disliking our government does not equal disliking us." do you completely fail to understand?

the french need to stop capping on americans for fulfillin their growth potential by eating food every day. Just because we weigh over the average european weight, 28 kpbs/centigrade, we are considered fat.

No, we don't see people risking death to come to Scientology, where we have seen people risk death to leave it.

We see people risk death to come to the US, and capitalism.

I don't see people fleeing the US in droves, do you?Ah, but you do see people rabidly defending both.;)

By comparing America to Hitler, well, that's about as hateful as you can get. Also, shows how misinformed you are.


Not comparing America to Hitler. Comparing you to Hitler. You are not America.

I know I can not persuade you of the good America does in this world and how wrong and misinformed you are about the atrocities you accuse us of.

Do you deny that no American soldier has ever committed an atrocity?

I also know how impossible it is to debate with one-sided thinkers. You're right, you won't ever convince me of how bad, evil, and wrong America is. You can try to persuade me until you're blue in the face and vice versa, too.

Admitting that America HAS done SOME wrong does not equal hating America and thinking it's evil.

Deep Kimchi...Are you a republican?

Ah, but you do see people rabidly defending both.;)

Which allows me to subtract them from both sides of the equation, nullifying their effect.

Deep Kimchi...Are you a republican?

I've voted both Democratic and Republican. Why?

Would people risk death by dehydration in a desert, being shot by rednecks patrolling the border without badges, and arrest if caught in country, if the US sucked so bad?

Wow. Mexico, at least, must suck more than the US.

We have jobs. Jobs do not make our government the best in the world.

I wonder why liberals can protest us going to war, when it doesn't even affect them at all. the people that go to war don't have a problem with it...why do liberals care? there such little whiny babies, sometimes.


Because liberals pay taxes too.

Try again.

I wonder why liberals can protest us going to war, when it doesn't even affect them at all.

It's called compassion, humanity, empathy, caring about your fellow human beings... Things you couldn't understand.

It's called compassion, humanity, empathy, caring about your fellow human beings... Things you couldn't understand.

You're my hero.

So, ya'll's is silly

King Bodacious, if you're going to cite my God, please refrain from doing stupid, hypocritical things (i.e., cussing, acting hateful, losing your temper, claiming that the US is a godly example for the world, etc.)

Don't get me wrong... I consider myself to be rather conservative myself, and I'm not one to berate Bush for "claiming divinity" (an argument I heard last week from a friend of mine). While I think Bush is close with JC and all, that doesn't inherently mean that everything he does is right. I'm training to be a minister, but I still make huge mistakes all of the time. Not on an international scale, but huge as far as my sphere of influence goes. God's guidance does not make a man perfect.


You really are an ignorant little troll aren't you? Women's rights in Iraq were among the most advanced in the Middle East. Since the invasion they now live in fear and cannot leave the house unless accompanied by a male relative and dressed in a burkha for fear of retribution from the militias which YOU have failed utterly to control. Apologise now.(bolds added by me)

What are you talking about? When you say the Middle East, what countries does that term constitute for you? (Note: I've never heard that Women's rights in Iraq were good before the war. I'm just wondering what I missed

Yet you support a terrorist. His name is George W. Bush
Yet you support a terrorist. His/Her name is (insert your own political hero here)

Can we make arguments that have arguments? Otherwise they're impossible to refute; not because they're right, but because they're opinion.

Ask the Iraqi's and other middle easterners who are in America what they think of us.

I'm sure they'd have something to say about you bombing the shit out of their families.
The same argument could be used about 9/11 against the terrorists

America's what? Sure, killing/imprisoning "terrorists and terrorist supporters" is fine, but how about torturing and kililng civilians? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_War#U.S._Armed_Forces)
Did you look at that which you were linking? All of the US human rights abuses were alleged and are under investigation. Does "innocent until proven guilty" ring a bell with you? I'm not saying that it didn't happen, it's probable that it did. But right under the US human rights abuses were the insurgent abuses; compare the numbers... 84 US caused civilian deaths to 1200 + insurgent caused civilian deaths? yeah, the US is definitely an OMGevilwarmongeringsuperpower!!!!!!1!!!!shift-uno!

Don't get me wrong, 84 is 84 too high. But it's war. Mistakes happen (mistakes as in things that shouldn't've happened, not as in accidents. yes shouldn't've is (now) a real word). And I realize that there are more than 84 civilian deaths caused by the US, but nowhere near 1200, methinks.

The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN.......
It's called justice.
Hussein ignoring the UN's calls to justice is justice? Did I miss something?

To everyone...

It's easy to make personal attacks, laugh at grammar mistakes and say the same thing over and over, but it's harder to make real arguments.

Since you ignored it the first time, I'm posting this again:



These are facts. You cannot persuade me I am wrong about facts. You cannot will them away, although you can pretend they never happened.

None of these crimes negate the good the US has done. Nobody is saying the US has only ever done bad things. I'm trying to get you to see that it is not all good. That will be a first step towards your acknowledging that the world is rather more complex than you've (willingly) been led to believe.

As I have said many times in past threads......America is filled with many imperfections...........I have also mentioned so many times in past threads........that most of your friends on NSG are only focused on the bad and negative.....when in FACT the good by far outweighs the bad that America does. People like you are the ones that, "Just don't get it."

here's some cheese with your whine.

Let me make this clear. I do NOT hate the world. I simply dislike some of your views of America and what you think you know.

I also do not agree with that you're only upset with our government. By reading some of these threads throughout, some of you appear to be very hateful people. You accuse me of being hateful, some have even accused me of being a racist neo-con. If I am as much of a racist neo-con, I ask, Why would I not only allow a Cuban to move into my house but also a lady from the Phillipines? (Don't worry the Cuban is here legally and his wife is in the US Army. Go Army!!!) Not to mention I have many friends of different races.

I understand now. You have explained it so well to me. Since I disagree with what some of you think, I must be a troll.

I find it quite humorous about how many different meanings "God Bless America" has.

Thank you for setting my straight.

By the way, God Bless America, our Troops, and our Allies and May God have mercy and help the rest see the Light.
Your OP was nothing other than flaming and trolling.

If you had stuck to God bless the troops and America, there is nothing wrong with that. Telling people to leave their country because their beliefs are not the same as yours is quite frankly....unAmerican.

Your rant about other countries was totally uncalled for especially your northern neighbour Canada. You obviously know very little about my country, especially when you talk about the French. I like most Americans that I have met, and I like your country. Because I dislike your current administration does not mean that I don't like America or Americans.

Most posters on this forum don't like the Bush administration and the Bush foreign policy. Most Americans don't either. You can defend them all you wish but expect a heavy debate in return. Bush has done much to tarnish the image of America on the international stage and if you love your country as much as you say you do, perhaps you could reflect why that is happening.

Not comparing America to Hitler. Comparing you to Hitler. You are not America.



Do you deny that no American soldier has ever committed an atrocity?



Admitting that America HAS done SOME wrong does not equal hating America and thinking it's evil.

Because liberals pay taxes too.

Try again.

Taxes...taxes...but democrats love taxes, so you shouldn't be complaining!

p. s. who here is familiar with the magazine "Black Republicans"? I love that thing!

No, dearie. I dislike your government, and I dislike people who are incapable of having a rational, well-thought-out point of view. I have not an ounce of hatred within me. Hatred is irrational, blinding and unproductive. And I certainly don't "hate America", as you would conveniently like to believe. Voicing hatred against entire societies - as you do against my people - is the preserve of narrow-minded imbeciles. Americans are a very diverse, complex bunch, and many of them are intelligent, educated, tolerant, compassionate and curious about the world they live in. It is impossible for any intelligent person to hate Americans... or any other nationality.

I do not hate anyone. When I mock individual idiots - people less intelligent than me, unwilling to think and determined to see the world in black and white - I do so without hatred, and without anger, but with mirthful contempt, and a superior smile of amusement.
Excellent post. My exact sentiments. :)

I don't think so. RealAmerica seemed more deliberate and claimed he was from Texas. Bodacious is apparently from Florida and isn't stooping to the low level of RA.
I believe that MeansToAnEnd is RealAmerica. RealAmerica was deleted Sept. 28, and MTAE started posting Sept. 29. Style and manner seems exactly the same. MTAE denies that he was RA but the similarity is uncanny.

hmm. i used to be crumpetstone, but then my account somehow got deleted. I mean, i stopped using it, then it was gone. it was weird.

I wonder why liberals can protest us going to war, when it doesn't even affect them at all.
They have to pay for it. The military isn't private sector.

Don't get me wrong, 84 is 84 too high. But it's war.
Then don't go to war. Even though you're protestant I would expect any man of God to oppose wars where not absolutely necessary.

They have to pay for it. The military isn't private sector.

Its rapidly turning into one of those wierd government grey areas in which a few peopl make a lot of money and a lot of money comes out of the governments pocket and very little seems to be achieved.

But at least its not communist eh.

(I posted this as a reply in another thread and after submitting it, I felt I should make it into a new topic)

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"



Ok fine. I'll go to Austrailia or Canada.

I wonder why liberals can protest us going to war, when it doesn't even affect them at all.

It's a bit like how conservatives can protest abortion, even though they're never going to be aborted. Except that it's based on reason and morality instead of self-rightous religious imperialism.

the french need to stop capping on americans for fulfillin their growth potential by eating food every day. Just because we weigh over the average european weight, 28 kpbs/centigrade, we are considered fat.

Yeah. And those elitist intellectual "american" doctors who accuse us of being fat just because we're dying from diabetes and heart disease at an ever increasing rate.

No, we don't see people risking death to come to Scientology, where we have seen people risk death to leave it.

We see people risk death to come to the US, and capitalism.

I don't see people fleeing the US in droves, do you?

It's just like how people consider a job ad McDonald's to be a shitty job. With much justification. But if they need money they go to McDonald's because that's who's hiring.

By the same token, America has historically sucked up the worlds money like a vacum cleaner, so people follow the money.

Besides, it's only south American's doing that. There have been very large numbers of Africans, Middle Easterners, and Eastern Europeans trying to get into western European countries that get killed in dangerous attempts.

People aren't coming here because we're so pleasant and enlightened. They're coming here because it's where the money is.

It's just like how people consider a job ad McDonald's to be a shitty job. With much justification. But if they need money they go to McDonald's because that's who's hiring.

By the same token, America has historically sucked up the worlds money like a vacum cleaner, so people follow the money.

Besides, it's only south American's doing that. There have been very large numbers of Africans, Middle Easterners, and Eastern Europeans trying to get into western European countries that get killed in dangerous attempts.

People aren't coming here because we're so pleasant and enlightened. They're coming here because it's where the money is.

But you said it yourself: it's where the money is. Money likes to be in land most loved by God. God throws gold at what He likes.

But you said it yourself: it's where the money is. Money likes to be in land most loved by God. God throws gold at what He likes.

God doesn't involve himself with money or any of our pitiful quests.

He only cares about what is important, and Man's infintile abstractions are of no meaning to Him.

(I posted this as a reply in another thread and after submitting it, I felt I should make it into a new topic)

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"

Don't let the door hit you on the you know what.

If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all over the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?

Ask the Mexicans and Cubans who make it to our shores and land what they think of America. Ask the Iraqis and other middle easterners, who are in America, what they think of us.

As for Canada, I couldn't care less what the hell they think. They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.

Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up your countries are?

I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness. I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters, if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo, then "Oh well". I will NOT apologize for us, Americans, sending billions and billions of US dollars across the globe. I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and the Americans and our allies finally doing something about it. To the rest of you, you have no back bone, no morals, no hope, no common sense, no pride, etc...

For all those who cry, "Human rights," where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered.

The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN....... :upyours:

As for the UN, they are a failed organization. I say ship them out to Paris. They have got to go. I'm tired of our hard earned tax dollars pouring into that corrupt and failed organization.

NOTE: To all those who feed off of the constant bickering and whining over America and our policies......I say this to you..... :upyours:

To all those in support and for those who realize how much Good America does for people and nations throughout this world, I thank you.

I am a firm believer that they're a heck of a lot more good out there then bad. I find it very unfortunate that the little bit of bad, is a whole lot louder than the Good. Mock my words, the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

Also, for the ones who are getting tired of seeing the American Flag flying high........You damn well better get used to it....For WE aren't going anywheres but Everywheres for the betterment of this world.

May God Bless America, our Troops, and all of YOU who support America!!




may god save us from such ignorance, and stupidity.

may god save us from such ignorance, and stupidity.

How about taking the matter into our own hands rather than waiting for some being that may or may not come?

I would like to point out to RA/MTAE that Al-Qaeda (Predecessor...) and Saddam Hussein used to be allies of the United States. Aparantly, and I could be wrong about it, Al-Qaeda had a CIA sponsored training camp in Arizona during the Soviet Afghan War, and up until the Embassy bombings, when it was closed down. I read about it in the book "My Jihad", about an American Caucasion turned Muslim who went to fight in Chechnya, Yugoslavia, was trained in Afghanistan, and was sent to the Arizona Camp.


It could be utter BS, but I wouldn't be shocked with some of the things the CIA have done.....

God doesn't involve himself with money or any of our pitiful quests.

He only cares about what is important, and Man's infintile abstractions are of no meaning to Him.

OH. Well, then. I stand corrected.

DM, a lot of people seem to think that too... but if He did, it would be patently obvious.

may god save us from such ignorance, and stupidity.

are you unable to post it normal-sized?

DM, a lot of people seem to think that too... but if He did, it would be patently obvious.

I'm sure He would hope so.

I'm sure He would hope so.

yeah.

All the poor people that would become less poor would (hopefully) be recognized, as well as the rich losing their $$$.

I would like to point out to RA/MTAE that Al-Qaeda (Predecessor...) and Saddam Hussein used to be allies of the United States. Aparantly, and I could be wrong about it, Al-Qaeda had a CIA sponsored training camp in Arizona during the Soviet Afghan War, and up until the Embassy bombings, when it was closed down. I read about it in the book "My Jihad", about an American Caucasion turned Muslim who went to fight in Chechnya, Yugoslavia, was trained in Afghanistan, and was sent to the Arizona Camp.


It could be utter BS, but I wouldn't be shocked with some of the things the CIA have done.....

No it's true, Bush had financial links with the Bin Laden family (check Farenheit 9/11). Al-Qaeda (spp?) were trained by the CIA with the hope that Afghanistan would fend off the Russians without the US having to do it. Bin Laden et al was trained and supplied with weapons by the CIA and US military. Afghanistan was pretty destroyed after their war with Russia. The US abandoned Afganistan at that point and left them to clear up the mess.....this I believe was the start of the bloody mess we're in today.

No it's true, Bush had financial links with the Bin Laden family (check Farenheit 9/11). Al-Qaeda (spp?) were trained by the CIA with the hope that Afghanistan would fend off the Russians without the US having to do it. Bin Laden et al was trained and supplied with weapons by the CIA and US military. Afghanistan was pretty destroyed after their war with Russia. The US abandoned Afganistan at that point and left them to clear up the mess.....this I believe was the start of the bloody mess we're in today.

Yeah. What I believe Bin Laden wants is to overthrow the House of Saud, and be King of Saudi Arabia. He'd hoped we'd help him do that, but we weren't interested. Now he's pissed off, which is my personal opinion.

I knew the CIA trained Al-Qaeda for the Soviet Afghan war, and the Iraqi Military for the Iran-Iraq war, but what I meant was I was unsure that they actually had camps in the United States training Mujadeen. Like I said though, the ex-Jihadist Mujid Alkai Collins who wrote the book claims we did.

Yeah. What I believe Bin Laden wants is to overthrow the House of Saud, and be King of Saudi Arabia. He'd hoped we'd help him do that, but we weren't interested. Now he's pissed off, which is my personal opinion.

In retrospect, what would that have caused? Hmm..

In retrospect, what would that have caused? Hmm..

We would look upon Osama Bin Laden like we do the House of Saud: Friends.

We would look upon Osama Bin Laden like we do the House of Saud: Friends.

but what about the rest of the Mideast?

And what about everyone else?

People aren't coming here because we're so pleasant and enlightened. They're coming here because it's where the money is.

Tell that to the thousands that come here to be able to exercise political and social freedoms not granted to them in their homelands. Truth is, although the U.S. is far from a democratic utopia, its still in most cases better then the alternatives, which is sad in its own right.

but what about the rest of the Mideast?

And what about everyone else?

There would be nothing. We wouldn't care. Life would go on as it did back in the 90s, when everything was good, and we were care free. Chechnya would still be going on, but I hope those bastards win. They deserve independence if they want it. Also there would still be problems in Israel, but thats never going to be solved anyway. Neither side wants to stop killing each other.

How about taking the matter into our own hands rather than waiting for some being that may or may not come?

I stand corrected!:D

are you unable to post it normal-sized?

indeed.

I forgot to mention: We'd keep eyeing the Russian Federation, since most people seem to have forgotten the USSR fell.

(Inside joke with my family....)

(I posted this as a reply in another thread and after submitting it, I felt I should make it into a new topic)

If you are an American and you don't like the way we're going...I say "Leave!"

Don't let the door hit you on the you know what.

If America is so bad and heading in the "wrong" direction. I ask, why are people from all over the world both legal and illegal aliens pouring across into our Great Nation?

Ask the Mexicans and Cubans who make it to our shores and land what they think of America. Ask the Iraqis and other middle easterners, who are in America, what they think of us.

As for Canada, I couldn't care less what the hell they think. They're barely better then the French and that's not saying to much.

Why don't you Europeans stop your bitching about what America does wrong and look at how f*cked up your countries are?

I will NOT apologize for America's Greatness. I will NOT apologize to the terrorists and their supporters, if they don't sleep to well at Gitmo, then "Oh well". I will NOT apologize for us, Americans, sending billions and billions of US dollars across the globe. I will NOT apologize for the Americans, seeing how poor the woman of Afghanstan and Iraq were being treated and how they were raped, tortured, and murdered simply for being women, and the Americans and our allies finally doing something about it. To the rest of you, you have no back bone, no morals, no hope, no common sense, no pride, etc...

For all those who cry, "Human rights," where the hell were you at when those women were being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered.

The UN had Saddam Hussein under resolutions for more than a decade and Saddam gave this to you, the UN.......

As for the UN, they are a failed organization. I say ship them out to Paris. They have got to go. I'm tired of our hard earned tax dollars pouring into that corrupt and failed organization.

NOTE: To all those who feed off of the constant bickering and whining over America and our policies......I say this to you.....

To all those in support and for those who realize how much Good America does for people and nations throughout this world, I thank you.

I am a firm believer that they're a heck of a lot more good out there then bad. I find it very unfortunate that the little bit of bad, is a whole lot louder than the Good. Mock my words, the silent majority is getting closer and closer to awakening and when we do, you the bad, damn well better watch out.

Also, for the ones who are getting tired of seeing the American Flag flying high........You damn well better get used to it....For WE aren't going anywheres but Everywheres for the betterment of this world.

May God Bless America, our Troops, and all of YOU who support America!!



Dude you need to go back and learn what being an American is all about. And the principles the country was founded on.

From your post your about as Anti American as it gets .


You can support the troops and hate the way they are used.

Its not only your right to be critical of the government but its your fucking duty as a free and voting citizen of the United States of America.


Your whole post boils down to.,,

You want to complain or disagree with anything I believe go fuck yourself..and then take a boat somplace else.

What your only an American if your rules are followed ?


Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Its a free country .

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Its a free country .

Last time I checked it was, but I better check on that. ;)

Dude you need to go back and learn what being an American is all about. And the principles the country was founded on.

From your post your about as Anti American as it gets .


You can support the troops and hate the way they are used.

Its not only your right to be critical of the government but its your fucking duty as a free and voting citizen of the United States of America.


Your whole post boils down to.,,

You want to complain or disagree with anything I believe go fuck yourself..and then take a boat somplace else.

What your only an American if your rules are followed ?


Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Its a free country .


Hell yeah, America was NOT based on the fanatical right wing facist love fest this kid is into. IT IS AMERIAN to rebel, to challenge, to argue, to dissagree, to follow your own path, to stand up for your rights and what you beleive in, and it is even american to hate america.

I actually found a few points he made I am in agreement with but WTF..the rest was like a Nazi Rally ...


Dont friggin godwin me either.


I'm still trying to get my arm from shooting out and saluting ...


Its one extreme or another with this place.


300 million people will never aggree with everything.

You're my hero.

Excellent post. My exact sentiments. :)

Well, thanks. :D

It's very reassuring to see I'm not alone. Revives a little of my crumpled faith in humanity. Keep it up.

Tell that to the thousands that come here to be able to exercise political and social freedoms not granted to them in their homelands. Truth is, although the U.S. is far from a democratic utopia, its still in most cases better then the alternatives, which is sad in its own right.

I don't have to. They tell me that.

They have to pay for it. The military isn't private sector.

Well, the third biggest military presence in Iraq is "Civilian Contractors." Private mercenaries which are 'private sector.'

But it's still taxpayer money that they're working for because the Bush administration treats the government like the biggest money laundering operation in existence.

Since you ignored it the first time, I'm posting this again:



These are facts. You cannot persuade me I am wrong about facts. You cannot will them away, although you can pretend they never happened.

None of these crimes negate the good the US has done. Nobody is saying the US has only ever done bad things. I'm trying to get you to see that it is not all good. That will be a first step towards your acknowledging that the world is rather more complex than you've (willingly) been led to believe.

Of course he can. Ignoring facts is what being a conservative is all about.

The other day I was browsing the bookstore, like the liberal intellectual elitist that I am, and came across a book called, something like, "Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies." The book billed itself as hard facts upon which Republican policies are based.

I took a look through it. It consisted of "Liberal" facts being answered with Republican talking points. There was not one fact that was used to support the conservative side of things and every "Liberal Lie" was either something that liberals don't say, or something that is completly true, to which the "conservative comeback" was simply an opinion with no support.

In short, even conservative 'intellectuals' admit that there is no factual basis on which conservative ideology is built. They just deny that it's true and then admit that it's true in different words and say that it's something completly different. You know, like how it isn't a plan if you call it a "series of actionable items."

I'm considered a conservative on all but social issues and think nothing of the sort.

want to try a new theory ?

Well, the third biggest military presence in Iraq is "Civilian Contractors." Private mercenaries which are 'private sector.'

But it's still taxpayer money that they're working for because the Bush administration treats the government like the biggest money laundering operation in existence.

What good is being in power if you don't get to funnel funds to your buddies?