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Perhaps. But then I have to wonder: if I didn't notice it, was it really necessary?I don't know about 'necessary', but comparing the before and after might still show a significant change.
I don't notice when my monitor is clean either, but the image is still better when it is. But I will notice it if only one half of the screen is cleaned, because then the dirty half compares unfavorably.

Sexy isn't all about your shape and size as a sole determiner. It has much to do with how comfortable you feel in your body. I've met incredibly sexy women over 200 pounds who owned their sexuality -- their size had nothing to do with it. It's a look, a touch, the timbre of a voice, the words they choose, and whether they can light you up with a kiss. Seeing as how we're all lit up by different things, this is a highly subjective subject.

Advertising and popularity, by their very nature, need to have a culturally-observant objectivity and present an image that will be as alluring to as many people as possible (in order to sell whatever they're selling). Just look at what was sexy fifty years ago...one hundred years ago...and so on.

Where I start to get angry is the spoken or unspoken demand that everyone look the same -- regardless of whether that look is anorexic ballet dancer (Lara Flynn Boyle, Calista Flockhart) or zaftig. That kind of thought denies individuality and leads to unhealthy behavior (eating disorders) and unhealthy body image issues (from unnecessary plastic surgery to suicide). If someone is unhealthy, that's not sexy -- and those who think it is are mentally unbalanced.

I'm not saying such an unbalance is automatically evil (I suppose it's possible to have a sickness fetish...yikes), but, as with any sexual relationship, everyone needs to be on the same page or it's manipulation. If you enjoy being manipulated, knock yourself out, but don't complain afterward.

I can respect that, but (At least in my mind) beauty does not equal attractiveness. But then again maybe I'm just strange. I think I'll just go to bed...
Then why can a person not attracted to women not express opinions as to what makes them beautiful? As for what makes them attractive, I usually base my opinion on what heterosexual (or bisexual) males I know say, and I try get into their mindset. Very few find anything beneath "thin" attractive.

Where I start to get angry is the spoken or unspoken demand that everyone look the same -- regardless of whether that look is anorexic ballet dancer (Lara Flynn Boyle, Calista Flockhart) or zaftig. That kind of thought denies individuality and leads to unhealthy behavior (eating disorders) and unhealthy body image issues (from unnecessary plastic surgery to suicide). If someone is unhealthy, that's not sexy -- and those who think it is are mentally unbalanced.

I'm not saying such an unbalance is automatically evil (I suppose it's possible to have a sickness fetish...yikes), but, as with any sexual relationship, everyone needs to be on the same page or it's manipulation. If you enjoy being manipulated, knock yourself out, but don't complain afterward.
Agreed. I've always considered Lara Flynn Boyle to be hauntingly beautiful, but her skinny body is definitely not her best feature.

Then why can a person not attracted to women not express opinions as to what makes them beautiful? I never noticed they couldn't. But perhaps they're all secretly attracted to women afterall.
To me beauty refers to the outside characteristics, which is certainly a factor in attraction, but hardly the only one. Someone can lack in beauty and make up for it in other areas and thus be attractive; or one could be beautifull yet lack to such an extent in all other areas that they aren't attractive.

I never noticed they couldn't. But perhaps they're all secretly attracted to women afterall.
To me beauty refers to the outside characteristics, which is certainly a factor in attraction, but hardly the only one. Someone can lack in beauty and make up for it in other areas and thus be attractive; or one could be beautifull yet lack to such an extent in all other areas that they aren't attractive.
I agree - I am not attracted sexually to women in any way though. When it comes to attractiveness in them, I can only make reference to external traits (ie beauty). I'm not sure what personality traits would attract a guy - these I've seen differ immensely from person to person.

I suppose being gay I am a little more shallow, and hence place a greater emphasis on looks than most, but again, personality matters when it comes to partners, so I guess I can relate.

Rail thin is repulsive. I don't wanna have to fear that, by screwing a chick, I'm gonna turn her pelvis into bone dust.

I like placing importance on both my "vessel" and my contents. I fail to see why doing so is wrong, or pathetic.
There's nothing wrong with placing importance on it. So long as that import maintains proper context. The cosmetic aspects of the body are irrelevant, barring disasters and catastrophes, of course. There's no need to change the nature of it so long as nothing else has.
except for the fact that i dont have a reason to try and burn the few extra calories that i have :)
there is a reason that i snack all day long in addition to breakfast lunch and dinner;)
* glares at matabolism*
Hehe...Because healthy appetites are sexy? Oh, and it's also a good way to stretch and tone the muscles, when done...creatively.;)
Because most people don't find non-skinny people attractive. Most who say personality are lying, or underestimating looks in a relationship.

Sorry we don't like to look at your kind.
I'm not sure it could be said that "most people don't find non-skinny people attractive." It seems like quite a stretch. They may not tolerate people who are at a more healthy weight or are overweight very well, but that doesn't mean they're only attracted to skinny people.
I'll have you know that I'm a very pretty woman, despite being a size 12. And Fascist Dominion likes to look at "my kind", and so do plenty of others. So, pipe down.
I couldn't say about that, exactly. How about a photo? [angel smiley]
I don't usually look at people.....mostly just sidewalks....I'm much more shy than I might let on...but yes, you have a point.;)
Looks only catch the eye. If you take the time to get to know anyone, you can discovered what great people they are.
Presuming someone is indeed a great person. It doesn't matter to me what catches the eye so much as what catches the mind. What entices my thoughts.
NSG is hardly a place to look for the norm.

And you can find people attracted to almost anything. Doesn't make the goth look something the majority of people like, or stinky girls, or transvestites... the list goes on.

I'm just saying, don't complain about the benefits of being thin. You can be thin too if you want. If you won't bring yourself better oppertunities, where do you have a valid argument?
She shouldn't have to make herself thin for people to like her. She's more than just a body. There's a person in there. A human who thinks, who feels. That's more than can be said of you.
So liking skinny girls is normal, but liking bigger girls is a fetish?

Hardly. It's just another one of society's jerk-arounds. I'm complaining the benefits of being thin because I shouldn't HAVE to be thin. I should get the same treatment as a 12 that I would get as a 3. We're all people, here.

If dating folks who think like you is what I have to look forward to as a skinny girl, I'll just kick it right where I am, thanks.
It's no good if you aren't yourself anyway, so it's for the best to be who you are in all respects.
This isn't just repugnant; it's contemptible. I'm sorry, but I don't like to read what your kind has to say. Because most people don't find judgemental people attractive.
Fair enough, but even the judgemental are allowed to voice their opinions, however unenlightened and backward they may be.

some women can make fat sexy.
some women can make thin sexy.


I do preferre those that don't show their ribcage, or are afraid to walk on grating for fear of falling in.
Nice try changing the tone of the thread.:p
Yeah, they could have been better. I voted for pie because nothing up there was really right to my mind.
I was thinking something to do with "cherries"....;):p
But I hide my judgmentalist nature. Much easier to hide, too.
So you lie about who you are? I'm not sure that's a terribly attractive quality, either.
I wouldn't say a fetish so much... Just a much less widely held preference. Fetish has a bad connotation.
Your words have a bad tone, so it seems to fit what you're saying better than you state.

You dont have to be thin. But don't complain when you choose to be not thin. More people are attracted to skinny chicks, hence they are more economically profitable to use in advertising, pornography, and a number of other things.
She's not complaining about not being thin, but rather how she's treated for not being thin. That's not so hard to understand, and frankly, it's ridiculous.
Why should companies lose money, and the majority of people be less pleased, just to bring equality? Its like saying that anyone should be able to get any job, because we're all humans. No matter if you're good at it or not, whether you will bring more money in than your competitors.
So we sacrifice our humanity for a profit?
It's not about equality. It's about what's fair to individual women who are vastly underrated in favor of unrealistically high standards. And it's not just any job. It's a job involving a product. Selling through sex is by no means necessary and one of the larger issues with objectifying women and men alike. It's certainly possible to find other means of advertisement.

Its not like you were born with a condition that can't be changed, and that doesn't affect job performance. Its not like you're being discriminated against because of personal feelings. Its quite simple. There is a smaller pool of people for you to date, because less find larger girls attractive than they do smaller girls.
Maybe not born with it, but cancer has some serious, life-long side effects, as do many other ailments.
The impression I get is that she isn't large. But she isn't absurdly thin like society expects, either. And the real reason there is a smaller pool for her to date is because so many people (especially her age) are cruel, shallow and selfish and give little or no thought to intellectual or emotional capacities.
As for things unrelated to looks, or that should be, you pretty much have a point there. However, I'm against forcing buisnesses to hire people in certain ways. A buisness should have the right to hire anyone it wants to, if they are willing.
Businesses tend to think more in terms of needs than wants. They don't hire people if they don't need them. It takes money out of their own pockets.
This is an issue that is really close to my heart. I've suffered from an eating disorder for many years, and it's only recently that I've realised that women are meant to look like WOMEN. I've been rail thin, althletic thin, slightly overweight, "healthy" thin... but only now am I eating properly and embracing my body. By deciding that you want a woman to look like a supermodel or a thirteen-year-old boy, you're only adding fuel to the general female population's negative self image. Milan, New York, Melbourne, Madrid and Brisbane Fashion Weeks have all banned unhealthy "rail-thin" models. All models now need to have a BMI of over 18, with 18.5 being healthy. My BMI is 25, which is also technically healthy, and I'm in no way overweight. I'm just a real woman with real curves. Skinny does not equate to sexy.
I remember seeing a hint of those curves once, methinks....Have a photo handy? [angel smiley]
Are you a lesbian/bi/a male? If so, then I'll respect your opinion about this. (Technically I feel the same way, but having someone who doesn't find women attractive define what makes a woman attractive just doesn't sit right with me.)
There are many forms of attraction, not just sexual ones.
Because for some of us there's a conceptual distinction between the two.
I've written some beautifull sourcecode, but I never felt attracted to it.. much.
Ah, but that is to assume that all beauty is attractive. And also to assume there is one form of attractiveness as well as beauty. Things are not always so clearly defined, contrary to programmer belief. [/Philosophy [I]and Computer Science major :p]
I don't know about 'necessary', but comparing the before and after might still show a significant change.
I don't notice when my monitor is clean either, but the image is still better when it is. But I will notice it if only one half of the screen is cleaned, because then the dirty half compares unfavorably.
But would you put stuff on your monitor? You see, by saying "clean" you're implying a lack of something making it something akin to "beautiful." At least more...pleasing. More favorable. And the word "clean" could also be applied to a lack of make-up. Implying there is greater beauty to the natural countenance of a woman.
I never noticed they couldn't. But perhaps they're all secretly attracted to women afterall.
To me beauty refers to the outside characteristics, which is certainly a factor in attraction, but hardly the only one. Someone can lack in beauty and make up for it in other areas and thus be attractive; or one could be beautifull yet lack to such an extent in all other areas that they aren't attractive.

Sometimes the distinction isn't so clear. Beauty can be a very alluring thing. Beauty of many sorts, mind you. Not just one. And some attractive things aren't so beautiful, either. Mankind's "morbid curiosity," for example. Bloody car crashes or dismembered hookers are hardly attractive sights, but when we see something like that, sometimes we can't help but look at it for some length of time. It's attractive but not beautiful.

Ah, but that is to assume that all beauty is attractive. And also to assume there is one form of attractiveness as well as beauty. Things are not always so clearly defined, contrary to programmer belief. [/Philosophy and Computer Science major :p]Actually, that was precisely my point. :)

But would you put stuff on your monitor?I do in fact have some things on my monitor, but that's rather for practical purposes. I've seen people adorn their screen in all sorts of ways though. And come to think of it, I put all sorts of things on my computer-desktop to make it look better as well.

You see, by saying "clean" you're implying a lack of something making it something akin to "beautiful." At least more...pleasing. More favorable. And the word "clean" could also be applied to a lack of make-up. Implying there is greater beauty to the natural countenance of a woman.The point here was that there can be a qualitative improvement in something that might not be apparant without comparing it to the previous state. Something may look better without noticing why that's the case.

Actually, that was precisely my point. :)
I thought as much.:p

I do in fact have some things on my monitor, but that's rather for practical purposes. I've seen people adorn their screen in all sorts of ways though. And come to think of it, I put all sorts of things on my computer-desktop to make it look better as well.

The point here was that there can be a qualitative improvement in something that might not be apparant without comparing it to the previous state. Something may look better without noticing why that's the case.

I was talking about the monitor itself, not the desktop.:p
Yes, I know. I was just dissecting the claim for one possible interpretation. Playing the computer-illiterate's (read: devil's advocate:D) role. I don't object to its use, nor do I find it a necessity. I'm really quite indifferent. It doesn't really affect my perspective of the woman herself. Like the body, it's just something that comes with her, some small (speaking in terms of values not in any physical sense, of course) peripheral quality.

For Me only Super thin chicks counts. I have to see the bones so that when I fuck them, I can break them in half
:D

For Me only Super thin chicks counts. I have to see the bones so that when I fuck them, I can break them in half
:D

Sado-masochism is all good, both parties consenting, but I like my prey to be a little feisty and fight back.;) Needs some tasty flesh for that, you know.:p

I have some unusual preferences, to be honest. I have a thing for very wide hips and a big butt. Realistically, I know thinness is probably much healthier, though.

I cant speak for everywhere and everyone, but where I am, America, most women think its sexy to be so thin you can see their ribcage.
I believe, as do many of my friends, that this is a mistake on their part.
I like women to be thin, but not so much as they have no meat on them.

COME ON!!!
Everyone likes a women with curves. When they're that skinny its even better. the skins curves around every bone. mmmmm
banging bones.

(shudder)

I would say absolutely NO I've never looked thin - though I'm not fat. it looks disgusting, especially with huge boobs. Eugh!

COME ON!!!
Everyone likes a women with curves. When they're that skinny its even better. the skins curves around every bone. mmmmm
banging bones.

(shudder)

Those aren't so much curves as angular protrusions....*wretches*

Those aren't so much curves as angular protrusions....*wretches*

The spamming kid speaks da troof. *nods*

ribcage no, but then there are a lot of obese people in america 55% I think. But reasonably thin yes

The spamming kid speaks da troof. *nods*

Glad the drunk old man agrees.:p
It really is just unsightly, really. Something about it just looks...deathly, skeletal. Malnourished. Maybe it's just the notion that a woman in such a state couldn't bear a child for the nourishment she would need to provide. [/random rambling of exhaustion]

Glad the drunk old man agrees.:p
It really is just unsightly, really. Something about it just looks...deathly, skeletal. Malnourished. Maybe it's just the notion that a woman in such a state couldn't bear a child for the nourishment she would need to provide. [/random rambling of exhaustion]

No, really just the fear that I'd end up pulverising her pelvis.

No, really just the fear that I'd end up pulverising her pelvis.

Heh. Maybe you....but then some ladies just like it sweet and slow, not the wham-bam-thank'ee-ma'am style i'm sure you prefer.:p

I voted other because I think your poll has the kind of thinking that is the real problem. You have reasonably thin and sickeningly thin. What about healthy? Where a girl isn't outright fat, merely has the curves of a woman. I find that the most attractive. Personally I think that is one really poorly worded poll.

I voted other because I think your poll has the kind of thinking that is the real problem. You have reasonably thin and sickeningly thin. What about healthy? Where a girl isn't outright fat, merely has the curves of a woman. I find that the most attractive. Personally I think that is one really poorly worded poll.

The OP isn't inclined to real thought overmuch.:p

Yeah, I've got just the perfect young woman in mind who fits this. She has all the right curves. Some might say some slight extra curves....but eh, she's still really attractive. But then I'm also speaking from an emotional/intellectual bias.:p

Kate Moss <3

Is rail-thin defined as ribcage showing, or is that just one part of it?

My ribs have always shown, so I thought that that was normal.

What about larger men? Still speaking in proportions, mind you.:p

Perfectly fine by me... actually much better than skinny guys, in my opinion :)

I stand by what I said, pretty much. 95 pounds is around 5-4, where 115 is around 5-10. I don't really go after girls taller than me, so I'm not worried about above that.

To be fair, I've never gotten with a girl who weighed more than 115... well, not sober anyways.

Stop that last sentence at the word "girl" and I'll believe you. :rolleyes:

Rail thing girls (and men) just don't seem healthy. If I can count your ribs, you have issues. Go eat something. On the other hand, if you can't get out of bed without the aide of a forklift, stop bloody eating and get some exercise. Metabolism will only take you so far.

I like my men to look healthy. Same with women. If you have a bit of meat on your bones, good. You look healthy.

Anerexic and starving people do not turn me on, neither to little girls. I like my women to be women. Breasts, asses, thighs. they need to have them. and they need to eat food. Becuase they are human. Current trends are discusting.

Again, the problem is not weight or size, but proportions. Women who are naturally thin usually have the smaller breast size to go with it (genetics and nature are funny that way...). When a woman at 5' 5" and, say, 100 to 115 pounds and a lovely B-cup breast goes and drops three stacks of high society (okay, $30,000 for those of you who haven't seen the movie Rounders) on D-cup toy boobs -- well, that's just ridiculous.

Sure, it's her money and a free country and all that, but I'm gonna laugh myself silly whenever I see those falsies un-bouncing away.

One of the signs of the insidious nature of disproportionality came to my attention in the ABC network TV show "Extreme Makeover". When some woman in her late 40s, or some woman whose had bad luck recovering from an accident or a pregnancy (or three) goes on to that show, and the violins are playing because "all she wants is to look pretty again", it's almost always the case that "looking pretty" includes a boob job -- even if the initial consultation was to fix a cleft palate or stained teeth! They go through all the stuff they did -- porcelain fronts, neck lift, brow lift, lip injections, what have you -- and despite nobody ever even mentioning the need or want for anything in the boob region (a lovely place to visit with the right travel agency, by the way), POW, there's a new set of D-cups on her ribcage just a-hangin' out.

This is why I think Pam Anderson and Carmen Electra (among dozens more) are hideous and why I dig Sabrina Lloyd, Felicty Huffman, Gwen Stefani, and body types where it's all where it should be, it's all real, and it all matches proportionally. To truly support a set of "double Ds", a woman, in order to retain proportions, needs to be taller and/or larger-boned. In short, wasp-waisted doesn't go with ridiculous breasts in nature...that configuration has to be surgically inflicted.

Newer Nutopia, you're likely just my type...even if you're half my age.

Is rail-thin defined as ribcage showing, or is that just one part of it?

My ribs have always shown, so I thought that that was normal.
No, not necessarily. Just a part of it.
Perfectly fine by me... actually much better than skinny guys, in my opinion :)
I'm not really either. I'm a happy medium.:p
Stop that last sentence at the word "girl" and I'll believe you. :rolleyes:
No, before the word "girl." :p
Anerexic and starving people do not turn me on, neither to little girls. I like my women to be women. Breasts, asses, thighs. they need to have them. and they need to eat food. Becuase they are human. Current trends are discusting.

Awww, now all I can do is wonder what kind of thighs my girlfriend has...thanks a lot for the distraction...:(

No, not necessarily. Just a part of it.


Okay. I wasn't sure. I can usually count at least three on both sides. What are other parts of it?

I tend to be really bony and naturally skinny, and I seem to have a similar preference in males. Yes, probably because that's what the phantom was like.

Perhaps. Character is also important.

Okay. I wasn't sure. I can usually count at least three on both sides. What are other parts of it?

I tend to be really bony and naturally skinny, and I seem to have a similar preference in males. Yes, probably because that's what the phantom was like.

If you're just naturally skinny, don't worry about it. I doubt you fit what we're talking about as a bad thing. I'm sure your body is proportioned well.:)

Okay. I wasn't sure. I can usually count at least three on both sides. What are other parts of it?

I tend to be really bony and naturally skinny, and I seem to have a similar preference in males. Yes, probably because that's what the phantom was like.

I don't have a problem with naturally skinny, it's one of those "people are like dogs" things I was talking about earlier.

I do have a problem with the idea that you have to be skinny (or in your case have to be non-skinny) to be beautiful.

If you're just naturally skinny, don't worry about it. I doubt you fit what we're talking about as a bad thing. I'm sure your body is proportioned well.:)

But if you're sticking your finger down your throat on a daily basis or more, you need to seek professional help. As FD says, though, I don't think you fall into that category. :cool:

If you're just naturally skinny, don't worry about it. I doubt you fit what we're talking about as a bad thing. I'm sure your body is proportioned well.:)

You're probably right:)

I don't have a problem with naturally skinny, it's one of those "people are like dogs" things I was talking about earlier.

I do have a problem with the idea that you have to be skinny (or in your case have to be non-skinny) to be beautiful.

That makes sense.

But if you're sticking your finger down your throat on a daily basis or more, you need to seek professional help. As FD says, though, I don't think you fall into that category. :cool:

I wouldn't do that. Throwing up is bad enough when it happens because of illness, I would never want to make myself throw up.

But if you're sticking your finger down your throat on a daily basis or more, you need to seek professional help. As FD says, though, I don't think you fall into that category. :cool:

That isn't the impression I get. In fact, IIRC, she's a very healthy eater....But my memory has been known to be somewhat faulty.:p

You're probably right:)



That makes sense.



I wouldn't do that. Throwing up is bad enough when it happens because of illness, I would never want to make myself throw up.

I'm always right. You should know that.;):p

That isn't the impression I get. In fact, IIRC, she's a very healthy eater....But my memory has been known to be somewhat faulty.:p

I usually am, although I sometimes eat a little bit less than I probably should.

I'm always right. You should know that.;):p

Hmm...I probably should have figured that out by now.:p

I usually am, although I sometimes eat a little bit less than I probably should.
I see. I know I eat less than I should on occasion....but I'm not nearly what I would call thin, either.:p


Hmm...I probably should have figured that out by now.:p

Yes, you certainly should have.:cool:

I see. I know I eat less than I should on occasion....but I'm not nearly what I would call thin, either.:p

Yes, you certainly should have.:cool:

I eat a little bit less than I probably should almost every day.

Probably, by now.:)

This is a kind of related quick question. I've been trying to figure out how much a character in my story should weigh. He supposed to be around 6'5" and weigh just enough to be alive. What do you think?

I tend to be really bony and naturally skinny, and I seem to have a similar preference in males. Yes, probably because that's what the phantom was like.
Same here! So long as they aren't too skinny though. I like muscular guys as well.

There's nothing wrong with placing importance on it. So long as that import maintains proper context. The cosmetic aspects of the body are irrelevant, barring disasters and catastrophes, of course. There's no need to change the nature of it so long as nothing else has.
Well, here is where I disagree. Cosmetic surgery within boundaries can be a boon.

Again, the problem is not weight or size, but proportions. Women who are naturally thin usually have the smaller breast size to go with it (genetics and nature are funny that way...). When a woman at 5' 5" and, say, 100 to 115 pounds and a lovely B-cup breast goes and drops three stacks of high society (okay, $30,000 for those of you who haven't seen the movie Rounders) on D-cup toy boobs -- well, that's just ridiculous.

To truly support a set of "double Ds", a woman, in order to retain proportions, needs to be taller and/or larger-boned. In short, wasp-waisted doesn't go with ridiculous breasts in nature...that configuration has to be surgically inflicted.
Agreed again. Body types come into the equation too. Some women look best toned/athletic (like Stefani or Serena Williams), others look best slim (like Charlize Theron) and so on. As for large breasts, it looks ridiculous for a tiny, skinny women to sport them. As you said, she'd need height +/or a sturdy bone structure. She'd damage herself otherwise - extremes such as Lolo Ferrari are luckily rare.

I eat a little bit less than I probably should almost every day.

Probably, by now.:)

This is a kind of related quick question. I've been trying to figure out how much a character in my story should weigh. He supposed to be around 6'5" and weigh just enough to be alive. What do you think?
Every day is an occasion for me.:p And I know you're smarter than that; you just don't wanna admit it.:cool:
Well, here is where I disagree. Cosmetic surgery within boundaries can be a boon.

Exactly. But our boundaries are vastly different.

This is a kind of related quick question. I've been trying to figure out how much a character in my story should weigh. He supposed to be around 6'5" and weigh just enough to be alive. What do you think?
190 lbs, assuming a normal body structure (an average male is 5ft9, 175 lbs). This would make him thin, but not to the point of death.

190 lbs, assuming a normal body structure (an average male is 5ft9, 175 lbs). This would make him thin, but not to the point of death.

I was thinking around there, although maybe a little lighter. He's supposed to be basically a skeleton.

And I know you're smarter than that; you just don't wanna admit it.

You're right, of course.;)

I was thinking around there, although maybe a little lighter. He's supposed to be basically a skeleton.

Hmmm, then go for 175 lbs. He'd still be able to live, but he'd be very thin.

Hmmm, then go for 175 lbs. He'd still be able to live, but he'd be very thin.

That's about what I was thinking.

I remember seeing a hint of those curves once, methinks....Have a photo handy?

Rotovia might have one. ;)

I certainly hope it is sexy as I am quite thin (for a man) at 5' 11" 150 lbs

I think these threads are practically always aimed at if thin women are sexy...

Pleasently plump or seductively slender.

Too far either way and I no longer find them physically attractive.

I voted other because I think your poll has the kind of thinking that is the real problem. You have reasonably thin and sickeningly thin. What about healthy? Where a girl isn't outright fat, merely has the curves of a woman. I find that the most attractive. Personally I think that is one really poorly worded poll.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing. My ideal body type for a woman is curvy. I simply don't find women who are what I would designate "too slim" attractive. I prefer women to be somewhat larger than to be too small.

Having said that, as a woman, I find the pressure to conform to the waif look to be huge. Although I know that my body is found attractive by various people, I constantly wish my body was flatter. Even at my slimmest, when I was eating very little, I still wanted to be that little bit smaller. It seems I can't win. :p

Having said that, as a woman, I find the pressure to conform to the waif look to be huge. Although I know that my body is found attractive by various people, I constantly wish my body was flatter. Even at my slimmest, when I was eating very little, I still wanted to be that little bit smaller. It seems I can't win. :p

I've seen your pictures, you're perfect. Don't worry about getting thinner.

I've seen your pictures, you're perfect. Don't worry about getting thinner.
:rolleyes:
Its the internet. You don't have to treat women like you do in real life, sparky.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing. My ideal body type for a woman is curvy. I simply don't find women who are what I would designate "too slim" attractive. I prefer women to be somewhat larger than to be too small.

Having said that, as a woman, I find the pressure to conform to the waif look to be huge. Although I know that my body is found attractive by various people, I constantly wish my body was flatter. Even at my slimmest, when I was eating very little, I still wanted to be that little bit smaller. It seems I can't win. :p
yes. I hate when thin girls don't realize how thin they are. Its so insulting when someone 30 lbs lighter than me whines about being "fat." I find most women very pretty. Its just a matter of proportions, and how they carry themselves. I'm not thin. I never will be. I wish i were thinner, but I dont have any desire to be thin.

I've seen your pictures, you're perfect. Don't worry about getting thinner.
Isn't she though? I wish I weren't so jealous of other girl's good looks, its such a terrible quality.

:rolleyes:
Its the internet. You don't have to treat women like you do in real life, sparky.
Yeah, Sheppie, stop acting like people on the internet have feelings :rolleyes:
You know whats sexy? Guys who treat people with kindness and respect. Pull your head outta your ass, honestly.:upyours:

Yeah, Sheppie, stop acting like people on the internet have feelings :rolleyes:
You know whats sexy? Guys who treat people with kindness and respect.
Meh. That kind of stuff is easy to say when that's all you can get. Most women naturally want jerk guys for sex. It's evolution. If your mate sleeps around, that means his offspring will probably inherit that quality and give your genetic material a better chance to continue. Now, once a woman has a kid, she of course wants a guy who'll stay near the home and protect the young, but what man wants kids?

I've seen your pictures, you're perfect. Don't worry about getting thinner.

Aww, thank you, that means a lot. :fluffle:

Meh. That kind of stuff is easy to say when that's all you can get. Most women naturally want jerk guys for sex. It's evolution. If your mate sleeps around, that means his offspring will probably inherit that quality and give your genetic material a better chance to continue.

You've gotta be kidding. I don't want a man who's going to sleep around. A man like that, evolutionarily speaking, is more likely to give me a deadly STD before I get the chance to reproduce. :rolleyes:
In case you haven't noticed, humans as a whole favour monogamy.

Now, once a woman has a kid, she of course wants a guy who'll stay near the home and protect the young, but what man wants kids?

Any man who wants to "give his genetic material a chance to continue"? :rolleyes:
You just contradicted yourself. If women so desperately want to spread around their genes, why wouldn't men? By staying around to protect your offspring, you give them a greater chance of surviving long enough to reproduce and, thus, the chances of your genetic material getting passed down a further generation increase greatly.

I tend to see women as individuals, not stereotypes (I.E. the thin girl or the fat chick) so I can't say whether rail thin is sexy. I'd have to know the person to tell you.

Anything in the "healthy" range is all good. I'm not fussy.

:) Had a rail thin girl friend once with an a-ma-zing set of boobs. Very special, very sexy.

:rolleyes:
Its the internet. You don't have to treat women like you do in real life, sparky.

It's the internet, there are no women :rolleyes:

You just contradicted yourself. If women so desperately want to spread around their genes, why wouldn't men? By staying around to protect your offspring, you give them a greater chance of surviving long enough to reproduce and, thus, the chances of your genetic material getting passed down a further generation increase greatly.
In all most other species (especially felines), it is the female that undertakes the protection of her offspring, and like humans, it is she who selects the mate. That human females rely on males to protect them and their offspring is a misfortunate "evolution," and thank God it is dying off.

It's true though that if a male sleeps around nowadays he might give his mate and his offspring an STD, which speaking in evolutionary terms, isn't exactly going to promote their proliferation. Barring STDs, sleeping with as many women as possible is the best way for one to spread their "genetic material." That is, if she desires to keep the pregnancy. ;) Women who haven't got the means can abort it. Monogamy is not natural - again it is a human evolutionary quirk. Some humans are more committed to it than others. This is only natural. The majority are not. A marriage is a useful contract so long as it lasts, but very few will last forever. Look at the rate of births out of wedlock, for instance, in Norway for 2003: http://www.ssb.no/english/yearbook/2004/tab/t-020210-067.html. Norway's welfare system makes it easier, but even without it, women are earning higher wages than before, many corporations are more willing to accommodate their needs, and are therefore far better suited to single motherhood than in the past.

-snippage-
You've gotta be kidding. I don't want a man who's going to sleep around. A man like that, evolutionarily speaking, is more likely to give me a deadly STD before I get the chance to reproduce. :rolleyes:
In case you haven't noticed, humans as a whole favour monogamy.
I'm that guy!
Wai...
:rolleyes:
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. My ideal body type for a woman is curvy. I simply don't find women who are what I would designate "too slim" attractive. I prefer women to be somewhat larger than to be too small.

Having said that, as a woman, I find the pressure to conform to the waif look to be huge. Although I know that my body is found attractive by various people, I constantly wish my body was flatter. Even at my slimmest, when I was eating very little, I still wanted to be that little bit smaller. It seems I can't win. :p
It is better than fine.;)

In all most other species (especially felines), it is the female that undertakes the protection of her offspring, and like humans, it is she who selects the mate. That human females rely on males to protect them and their offspring is a misfortunate "evolution," and thank God it is dying off.

Why are we talking about cats?

It's true though that if a male sleeps around nowadays he might give his mate and his offspring an STD, which speaking in evolutionary terms, isn't exactly going to promote their proliferation. Barring STDs, sleeping with as many women as possible is the best way for one to spread their "genetic material." That is, if she desires to keep the pregnancy. ;) .

While we're going back even more than a few hundred years, abortion wasn't the easiest thing to obtain. In any case, sleeping around will, for both males and females, increase your chances of having offspring, yes. But you missed my point. A single woman, once, would not have been able to as easily supply her infants with sufficient food and protection that could be acquired better with a male counterpart. In a hunter-gatherer world, women were the gatherers, and meat is a superior source of protein when compared with vegetables and fruits. So it's a lot easier for the child to reach maturity and be viable with care from both parents.

Women who haven't got the means can abort it. Monogamy is not natural - again it is a human evolutionary quirk. Some humans are more committed to it than others. This is only natural. The majority are not. A marriage is a useful contract so long as it lasts, but very few will last forever..

Actually, monogamy isn't limited to humans. Sadly, I cannot remember the species names, but I know there are varieties of birds which are monogamous, and wikipedia states that there are also types of insects, mammals and fish that are monogamous. So I'd say there is some evolutionary advantage to be gained by having a life partner, certainly in the times before modern conveniences.

Look at the rate of births out of wedlock, for instance, in Norway for 2003: http://www.ssb.no/english/yearbook/2004/tab/t-020210-067.html. Norway's welfare system makes it easier, but even without it, women are earning higher wages than before, many corporations are more willing to accommodate their needs, and are therefore far better suited to single motherhood than in the past.

That's all very nice and all, but not being married doesn't suggest the lack of a partner. In any case, this is all recent and, thus, is besides my point. ;)
Perhaps further discussion would be better in a separate thread?

You're right, of course.;-)
I think we've been over this...:p
Rotovia might have one. ;)
You're trying to get me killed or maimed, aren't you?:p
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. My ideal body type for a woman is curvy. I simply don't find women who are what I would designate "too slim" attractive. I prefer women to be somewhat larger than to be too small.

Having said that, as a woman, I find the pressure to conform to the waif look to be huge. Although I know that my body is found attractive by various people, I constantly wish my body was flatter. Even at my slimmest, when I was eating very little, I still wanted to be that little bit smaller. It seems I can't win. :p
Trust me: you've got just the right curves.;)
I've seen your pictures, you're perfect. Don't worry about getting thinner.
Precisely. She's absolutely breath-taking at any given moment....but then my breath is permanently stolen right now, so I may be at something of a loss to verify that at the moment....
:rolleyes:
Its the internet. You don't have to treat women like you do in real life, sparky.
Why not? They're still people on here, too.
yes. I hate when thin girls don't realize how thin they are. Its so insulting when someone 30 lbs lighter than me whines about being "fat." I find most women very pretty. Its just a matter of proportions, and how they carry themselves. I'm not thin. I never will be. I wish i were thinner, but I dont have any desire to be thin.


Isn't she though? I wish I weren't so jealous of other girl's good looks, its such a terrible quality.


Yeah, Sheppie, stop acting like people on the internet have feelings :rolleyes:
You know whats sexy? Guys who treat people with kindness and respect. Pull your head outta your ass, honestly.:upyours:
You shouldn't be jealous. You're gorgeous in your own right.
Meh. That kind of stuff is easy to say when that's all you can get. Most women naturally want jerk guys for sex. It's evolution. If your mate sleeps around, that means his offspring will probably inherit that quality and give your genetic material a better chance to continue. Now, once a woman has a kid, she of course wants a guy who'll stay near the home and protect the young, but what man wants kids?
I might in time. I've been thinking about that, actually. And I think I will one day. I'm not ready yet for the responsibility, but that doesn't mean the desire isn't there. I don't think you are qualified to say what most women want. That's something you'd really have to ask most women to find out. It's a very touchy, delicate subject. And I think you'll find that it varies too much to restrict it to a statement of desiring one general trait. There are too many factors. But it seems that the nurturing maternal nature of a woman is more likely to want a man who will stay to care for her in her pregnancy and her children when they are born. She may protect them, but someone has to do the hunting, instinctively speaking.
It's the internet, there are no women :rolleyes:

Hehehe:p

The truth is... MOST women don't really know what men find sexy. They just have a rough idea based on what television and movies say.

Men like women to be healthy and normal looking and confident in themselves.

a hint of ribs can be ok, but its hit-and-miss as to whether its sexy or gross. skeletal (*cough paris hilton cough*) is just nasty.

"healthy thin" is of course good, but its all subjective. would have to find pictures to illustrate opinions, and that's difficult without breaking jolt image rules ;)
does she (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5280/teresa20ca0.jpg)count as healthy thin? sexy imho ;) :D (hint (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1116/teresa36mg9.jpg) of ribs?)

Exactly. Healthy is the important thing to me. And healthy is different for women depending on their natural build. I'm attracted to women with a wide (no pun intended) range of builds and shapes.

What they said. Thanks for saving me the time to type that up myself, folks ;)

What they said. Thanks for saving me the time to type that up myself, folks ;)

Wouldn't it be easier just to say "It's subjective"? :p

Wouldn't it be easier just to say "It's subjective"? :p
Not really, because in addition, I happen to agree with those I quoted. "It's subjective" doesn't cover that. ;)

Not really, because in addition, I happen to agree with those I quoted. "It's subjective" doesn't cover that. ;)

Thanks for replying. This really is helping keep me awake.:D [/procrastinating&bored]

Thanks for replying. This really is helping keep me awake.:D [/procrastinating&bored]
You wouldn't believe how much of the first applies to me here... But I can't say I'm bored. :p

You wouldn't believe how much of the first applies to me here... But I can't say I'm bored. :p

Well, now that I've been spamming for a bit and found an article about homework for young children, I can't say as I'm terribly bored at the moment anyway.:p

women are sexy by being the right size for them, you know how women can be really skinny or quite big but it looks right for them so they are sexy, also if they are happy in their body that is sexy.

So true, could not of said it better.

My gf has a bit of meat on her (she aint fat, far from it) but i have known girls that have been large but quite atrative (obease is diffrent:sniper: ). Anyway, im not as much intrested in her body and a girl's personality. Don't get me wrong a good figuer is great. thats whats grate about her, she has a good body and a great personality and is fairly inteligent.

So true, could not of said it better.

My gf has a bit of meat on her (she aint fat, far from it) but i have known girls that have been large but quite atrative (obease is diffrent:sniper: ). Anyway, im not as much intrested in her body and a girl's personality. Don't get me wrong a good figuer is great. thats whats grate about her, she has a good body and a great personality and is fairly inteligent.

No offence, but I think that's the worst eyesore of writing I've seen in...well, ever.:(

Well, now that I've been spamming for a bit and found an article about homework for young children, I can't say as I'm terribly bored at the moment anyway.:p
Meh. I need to type up a couple of pages on how the women's role in the Kaiserreich (German Empire 1871-1918) was portrayed in school-books of the time. :rolleyes:
Interesting, but I can't make myself stay focused on it. Too theoretical for my liking. I do like the reading books, though, because they are originals. (Having them in my posession is pretty much the reason for the topic...) :D

Meh. I need to type up a couple of pages on how the women's role in the Kaiserreich (German Empire 1871-1918) was portrayed in school-books of the time. :rolleyes:
Interesting, but I can't make myself stay focused on it. Too theoretical for my liking. I do like the reading books, though, because they are originals. (Having them in my posession is pretty much the reason for the topic...) :D

I'm aware of the years of the Kaiserreich.:p

*chats with girlfriend:)*

I once went out with a girl who was anorexic (before I knew she was). I can tell you now, that stick-thin-to-the-point-of-malnutrition is REALLY UNSEXY!!!! I mean the skeleton-like figure was bad enough but the constant "Oh I'm too fat so I'm gonna be sick," and the "You work with other women who are more attractive than me!" plus the gazillions of other self-loathing remarks just drove me insane! :headbang: :mp5:

May I offer some REALLY good advice?

1) Never go out with an anorexic! They play mind games and threaten suicide whenever they don't get their own way.

2) Don't bother trying to help them. You only get it thrown back in you face. (Or possibly thrown UP back in your face!)

*breathes*

Okay now that I've got that off my chest... granted my experience was with only one 'person'. But if that is an example of what anorexics are generally like, then a reasonably built, or lovely fat girl would be my ideal choice! :D

So true, could not of said it better.

My gf has a bit of meat on her (she aint fat, far from it) but i have known girls that have been large but quite atrative (obease is diffrent:sniper: ). Anyway, im not as much intrested in her body and a girl's personality. Don't get me wrong a good figuer is great. thats whats grate about her, she has a good body and a great personality and is fairly inteligent.
So true, could not have said it better.

My gf has a bit of meat on her (she ain't fat, far from it), but I have known girls that have been large but quite attractive (obese is different :sniper: ). Anyway, I'm not as much intrested in her body and a girl's personality. Don't get me wrong, a good figure is great. That's what's great about her, she has a good body, and a great personality, and is fairly intelligent.

God! At least try to give spelling a well-deserved chance, a'ight?:headbang:

God! At least try to give spellig a well-deserved chance, a'ight?

lol irony

I'm aware of the years of the Kaiserreich.:p

*chats with girlfriend:)*
Yeah. You are. :D (Oh man, had I seen that you were quoting that post as well I would've refrained from going through it as well... Guess I am a little bored after all...)

lol irony
Meh. The only sentence I didn't read twice...

So true, could not have said it better.

My gf has a bit of meat on her (she ain't fat, far from it), but I have known girls that have been large but quite attractive (obese is different :sniper: ). Anyway, I'm not as much intrested in her body and a girl's personality. Don't get me wrong, a good figure is great. That's what's great about her, she has a good body, and a great personality, and is fairly intelligent.

God! At least try to give spelling a well-deserved chance, a'ight?:headbang:
Thanks.:p
lol irony
LOL Yeah.;)
Yeah. You are. :D (Oh man, had I seen that you were quoting that post as well I would've refrained from going through it as well... Guess I am a little bored after all...)
Yeah, but you pointed out a lot of the errors. I didn't look too closely to see if you got them all. Too much of an eyesore.:(
Meh. The only sentence I didn't read twice...

Then it isn't just irony: it's karma.:D

Thanks.:p
NP!

Yeah, but you pointed out a lot of the errors. I didn't look too closely to see if you got them all. Too much of an eyesore.:(
That's the only reason I did that. It's hard enough to converse in English without horrendous typos making it impossible to read.

LOL Yeah.;)
Then it isn't just irony: it's karma.:D
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Cornholio.gif
Arrre you thrrreatening me?

(I hope it's not bad karma - I've got enough to worry about as it is!)

NP!


That's the only reason I did that. It's hard enough to converse in English without horrendous typos making it impossible to read.
As a native speaking I just find it too horrendous. It evaporates the aqueous humor, sears the retina or something like that.:p

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Cornholio.gif
Arrre you thrrreatening me?
I haven't seen that in so long....Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.:D
(I hope it's not bad karma - I've got enough to worry about as it is!)

Meh. It's a little thing. Some small energy. I wouldn't worry about it.

As a native speaking I just find it too horrendous. It evaporates the aqueous humor, sears the retina or something like that.:p
I consider spelling simply fair. After all, I did my best to learn how spell in English, so why shouldn't native speakers? After all, I'm doing them a favor to speak their language as correctly as possible.

I haven't seen that in so long....Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.:D
Hmm. I don't know. I loved to watch that show, but then again, that was the old, good MTV. Not that crap they put on the airwaves nowadays.
Meh. It's a little thing. Some small energy. I wouldn't worry about it.
Oh, I simply considered that a glitch in the matrix, nothing more.

As someone who's been on the fora for quite a while, and at some point had to decide not to read any more Chellis threads for the constant (and amitted) emo/depressed sad stories about his (love) life, I've been rather entertained by his transformation and comments in this thread.

Apart from that.. I'll just stand over there, joining the qeue of people who said something along the lines of "natural..healthy..some women sport some extra fat very sexily.. the notion of what is "fat" of some people are heavily distorted..bla."

And I, a 38/40 (German sizes), feel absolutely happy with my body which I happen to find rather attractive. No, no pics. :)

I consider spelling simply fair. After all, I did my best to learn how spell in English, so why shouldn't native speakers? After all, I'm doing them a favor to speak their language as correctly as possible.
I quite agree. And you weild it rather well. WYTYG is usually better, but you're not too bad.:p
Hmm. I don't know. I loved to watch that show, but then again, that was the old, good MTV. Not that crap they put on the airwaves nowadays.
Yeah, the good ol' days....*sighs with nostalgia*
Oh, I simply considered that a glitch in the matrix, nothing more.
*swallows the red pill*

Of course. Because everyone knows there is no spoon.:p

Of course. Because everyone knows there is no spoon.:p

I dunno.. I think spoons are two thin to be sexy anyways. Okay, end of pretending to stay on-topic. I have to ask, now, the urge is too strong: Please, do explain about this! I understand it's a matrix reference, but not much more..please, a really short explanation?

I dunno.. I think spoons are two thin to be sexy anyways. Okay, end of pretending to stay on-topic. I have to ask, now, the urge is too strong: Please, do explain about this! I understand it's a matrix reference, but not much more..please, a really short explanation?

Two thin?:confused: The boy meant that the Matrix wasn't reality. Our perceived reality is just an extension of ourselves, of our own mind's perspective.

I quite agree. And you weild it rather well. WYTYG is usually better, but you're not too bad.:p
Way to boost my low self-esteem. Thanks a bunch. I didn't need a comparison... http://www.section.at/img/smiley/cry2.gif

Of course. Because everyone knows there is no spoon.:p
Right. There is a spork, however! :D

Two thin?:confused: The boy meant that the Matrix wasn't reality. Our perceived reality is just an extension of ourselves, of our own mind's perspective.
Yes, two thin. As in, they're so ultra-thin that label doesn't even apply any longer; two of them are just 'big' enough to reach 'thin'.
Did I mention I'm not a native speaker? [/lame excuses]
Okay, I got that far. But why spoons?

Way to boost my low self-esteem. Thanks a bunch. I didn't need a comparison...
That's okay; losing to Witt-Witt is about as dishonorable as beating SoWiBi at spelling is honorable, if you catch my drift ;)

That's okay; losing to Witt-Witt is about as dishonorable as beating SoWiBi at spelling is honorable, if you catch my drift ;)
True, true. Besides, I'd rather be compared with her than with some others who I don't like as much...

Haven't seen SoWiBi around in more than half a year. But she did have government activity less than two hours ago. (Not that I check that on a regular basis - I just did for the first time...)

True, true. Besides, I'd rather be compared with her than with some others who I don't like as much...

Haven't seen SoWiBi around in more than half a year. But she did have government activity less than two hours ago. (Not that I check that on a regular basis - I just did for the first time...)

Umm.. you *are* aware that she's been posting again, albeit with a different puppet, yes?

Way to boost my low self-esteem. Thanks a bunch. I didn't need a comparison... http://www.section.at/img/smiley/cry2.gif

Right. There is a spork, however! :D
Oh, come now, who are you kidding? Your English is excellent. Better than Laerod's, I might add.:p But you must admit she's got quite a handle on it.
Yes, two thin. As in, they're so ultra-thin that label doesn't even apply any longer; two of them are just 'big' enough to reach 'thin'.
Did I mention I'm not a native speaker? [/lame excuses]
Okay, I got that far. But why spoons?

Ah, I see. And agree. You have mentioned it before, yes.:pOh, that. It's just an allusion to the cliche notion of psychics demonstrating their telekinetic powers by bending spoons.

Ah, I see. And agree. You have mentioned it before, yes.:pOh, that. It's just an allusion to the cliche notion of psychics demonstrating their telekinetic powers by bending spoons.

Whew, and I thought you'd make the horrid mistake of questioning my wisdom, judgement, or grasp of the English language. Oh, okay. I'm at your feet for that explanation, then. You solved the mystery of my life. *grovels*

Whew, and I thought you'd make the horrid mistake of questioning my wisdom, judgement, or grasp of the English language. Oh, okay. I'm at your feet for that explanation, then. You solved the mystery of my life. *grovels*

LOL I could have, but you accidentally had a valid point.:p Hehe, yeah, I get that a lot. :cool:

LOL I could have, but you accidentally had a valid point.:p Hehe, yeah, I get that a lot. :cool:
I do that, yes. I know, I just followed the masses. It's what I do when lost in unknown areas.

Umm.. you *are* aware that she's been posting again, albeit with a different puppet, yes?
:eek: Huh?!? :rolleyes: No. :confused: What?!?

I didn't know that. (Is it you?!?) I'm confuuused!
Oh, come now, who are you kidding? Your English is excellent. Better than Laerod's, I might add.:p But you must admit she's got quite a handle on it.
While I appreciate that sentiment, please don't compare me with others. Bad enough that happens IRL... no need here ;)
But yes, she sure does have a handle on it. As does Laerod, if you asked me.

Meh. I feel crappy. Overall situation right now:http://www.section.at/img/smiley/rainyday.gif

:eek: Huh?!? :rolleyes: No. :confused: What?!?

I didn't know that. (Is it you?!?) I'm confuuused!


Why yes. Hello, there.

Why yes. Hello, there.
Hey! http://www.gotouring.com/razzledazzle/images/wave.gif So you did come back after all! (And still not too fond of smileys, I take it?)

Hey! So you did come back after all! (And still not too fond of smileys, I take it?)
Indeed I did, for the Semesterferien. And the foundations of my rock-steady foundations remain unshaken, yes.

I do that, yes. I know, I just followed the masses. It's what I do when lost in unknown areas.
Could be. Or maybe it just happens...Not always a good plan, but you could do worse.
While I appreciate that sentiment, please don't compare me with others. Bad enough that happens IRL... no need here ;)
But yes, she sure does have a handle on it. As does Laerod, if you asked me.

Meh. I feel crappy. Overall situation right now:http://www.section.at/img/smiley/rainyday.gif

You all do. You all have a keen grasp. Stop rubbing your bilingualism in my face.:p Isn't your overall situation always like that, O Master of Obscure Smilies?:confused:

I think women should have a normal weight. If I see some models, I would send them to hospital first - and this is not really sexy, is it?

I think women should have a normal weight. If I see some models, I would send them to hospital first - and this is not really sexy, is it?

What is normal, then?

I hate to go all disgruntled teenager, but a man just can't know the pressure that a woman feels to be thin. In our society thin = beautiful, and so if you're not thin, you're not beautiful. Simple as that.

The argument shouldn't be about what methods women resort to in order to achieve "perfection", but rather the driving force behind it. Our Health classes teach us that we should be happy with our body type, and avoid eating disorders, but the conflicting messages of the media make us feel confused.

Eh. Curves is nice.

Ribcage is a "no-thank-you".

Curves are a "yummyou". :p

Eh. Curves are nice.
Fixed...Jebus, this isn't my day...:(

Isn't your overall situation always like that, O Master of Obscure Smilies?:confused:
No, usually it is (or more precisely, I want it to be) along the lines of http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/sunny.gif.

Hi guys, what's up?

Hi guys, what's up?
Ilie! Hey, how are you?

Ilie! Hey, how are you?

I'm wishing I were home right now, but I have one more home visit to do for work. That will happen in 25 minutes. Then I go home and eat dinner and do work for school. Then the best part of my entire weekday week: Project Runway.

Is that sad?

(I felt that this was a good thread to chat in, since I have curves. That's how it works, right? :p )

No, usually it is (or more precisely, I want it to be) along the lines of http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/sunny.gif.
What you want it to be and what it is are probably two very different things.:p
Hi guys, what's up?
Sunshine *shudders*
I'm wishing I were home right now, but I have one more home visit to do for work. That will happen in 25 minutes. Then I go home and eat dinner and do work for school. Then the best part of my entire weekday week: Project Runway.

Is that sad?

(I felt that this was a good thread to chat in, since I have curves. That's how it works, right? :p )

Yes, it's sad...so what were you saying about those curves?;)

Yes, it's sad...so what were you saying about those curves?;)

What about 'em?

What about 'em?

That was my question for you. Keep it moderately on-topic, eh?:p

The anorexic look is as unattractive as it is unhealthy. Women who think men like human coathangers don't know the first thing about what most men think.

If I want to hug a skeleton, I'll go to a Halloween party. Put some meat on your bones, ladies ;)

That was my question for you. Keep it moderately on-topic, eh?:p

Oh, right, on-topic. Well, having curves is nice. I fill out clothes pretty well, and um, I guess that's pretty much it. Oh, also I have a little leeway in case I get stranded someplace with no food for 3 weeks. I don't think Nicole Richie would survive two days without food, since her body seems to have no reserves. (Of course, those are just side benefits...this is my natural shape and I'm healthy, and I can't imagine being any other way.)

Why are we talking about cats?
Way to miss the point. I am talking about the majority of species.

While we're going back even more than a few hundred years, abortion wasn't the easiest thing to obtain. In any case, sleeping around will, for both males and females, increase your chances of having offspring, yes. But you missed my point. A single woman, once, would not have been able to as easily supply her infants with sufficient food and protection that could be acquired better with a male counterpart. In a hunter-gatherer world, women were the gatherers, and meat is a superior source of protein when compared with vegetables and fruits. So it's a lot easier for the child to reach maturity and be viable with care from both parents.
Note that this, of course, assumes the male is sleeping around - not the female. Thus any given female would not have too many children, and as such would not have an excessive amount to provide for. That women were gatherers in such a world was a particular trend, not a biologically mandated necessity - in many prehistoric societies it was in fact the case that women did the hunting. In some species, the males actually guard the offspring whilst the females hunt, to show a reversion of roles. At any rate, the shift to agricultural societies occured early on, and thus meat from farm animals was available. From this point on it would be easier for a woman and her children to survive without a partner.

Actually, monogamy isn't limited to humans. Sadly, I cannot remember the species names, but I know there are varieties of birds which are monogamous, and wikipedia states that there are also types of insects, mammals and fish that are monogamous. So I'd say there is some evolutionary advantage to be gained by having a life partner, certainly in the times before modern conveniences.
Why are we talking about birds, insects and fish? ;) There are certain advantages indeed, particularly for social animals moreso than territorial predators, like felines. My point is that it isn't the only way for humans to organise themselves, and nowadays it might not even be the most optimal. It is also that the best partner for a woman need not be the father of her children - many dysfunctional families stem from the fact that the individuals involved are not compatible - and that many women no longer even need such partners.


Perhaps further discussion would be better in a separate thread?
Nah, this thread will do. Unless of course you want to make such a thread. :)

Oh, right, on-topic. Well, having curves is nice. I fill out clothes pretty well, and um, I guess that's pretty much it. Oh, also I have a little leeway in case I get stranded someplace with no food for 3 weeks. I don't think Nicole Richie would survive two days without food, since her body seems to have no reserves. (Of course, those are just side benefits...this is my natural shape and I'm healthy, and I can't imagine being any other way.)

I see...So you had off-topic things to discuss?:p

I'm wishing I were home right now, but I have one more home visit to do for work. That will happen in 25 minutes. Then I go home and eat dinner and do work for school. Then the best part of my entire weekday week: Project Runway.

Is that sad?

(I felt that this was a good thread to chat in, since I have curves. That's how it works, right? :p )

Sorry I didn't answer any sooner. I kept reloading the page without any answers showing up until I just realized that (yeah, I do feel a little stupid now) there was another page... Duh!

So, curves, eh? Good! What else is new? :p

Sorry I didn't answer any sooner. I kept reloading the page without any answers showing up until I just realized that (yeah, I do feel a little stupid now) there was another page... Duh!

So, curves, eh? Good! What else is new? :p

Those aren't new. I imagine she's always had delightful curves.;):p

Meh. That kind of stuff is easy to say when that's all you can get. Most women naturally want jerk guys for sex. It's evolution. If your mate sleeps around, that means his offspring will probably inherit that quality and give your genetic material a better chance to continue. Now, once a woman has a kid, she of course wants a guy who'll stay near the home and protect the young, but what man wants kids?
I'm a woman, and I can tell you, I don't want jerk guys for sex. Neither do most of the women i know.

Aww, thank you, that means a lot. :fluffle:



You've gotta be kidding. I don't want a man who's going to sleep around. A man like that, evolutionarily speaking, is more likely to give me a deadly STD before I get the chance to reproduce. :rolleyes:
In case you haven't noticed, humans as a whole favour monogamy.



Any man who wants to "give his genetic material a chance to continue"? :rolleyes:
You just contradicted yourself. If women so desperately want to spread around their genes, why wouldn't men? By staying around to protect your offspring, you give them a greater chance of surviving long enough to reproduce and, thus, the chances of your genetic material getting passed down a further generation increase greatly.
It's not worth trying to take apart the holes in his arguement, they are too many. But you, of course, are correct as usual, King Friday.

I tend to see women as individuals, not stereotypes (I.E. the thin girl or the fat chick) so I can't say whether rail thin is sexy. I'd have to know the person to tell you.:eek: You mean....you don't operate on gross generalizations!! :eek: I didn't know that was allowed in NSG

It's the internet, there are no women :rolleyes:
:p
You shouldn't be jealous. You're gorgeous in your own right. meh. Angelina Jolie is gorgeous. I'm okay. And I know I shouldn't be jealous, but even I can't just be 100% sweet all the time. I've got to have some vices.

I might in time. I've been thinking about that, actually. And I think I will one day. I'm not ready yet for the responsibility, but that doesn't mean the desire isn't there. I don't think you are qualified to say what most women want. That's something you'd really have to ask most women to find out. It's a very touchy, delicate subject. And I think you'll find that it varies too much to restrict it to a statement of desiring one general trait. There are too many factors. But it seems that the nurturing maternal nature of a woman is more likely to want a man who will stay to care for her in her pregnancy and her children when they are born. She may protect them, but someone has to do the hunting, instinctively speaking.


From the way you talk about the little ones i think you'd make a good father, when the time comes.

I'm a woman, and I can tell you, I don't want jerk guys for sex. Neither do most of the women i know.


It's not worth trying to take apart the holes in his arguement, they are too many. But you, of course, are correct as usual, King Friday.

:eek: You mean....you don't operate on gross generalizations!! :eek: I didn't know that was allowed in NSG


:p
meh. Angelina Jolie is gorgeous. I'm okay. And I know I shouldn't be jealous, but even I can't just be 100% sweet all the time. I've got to have some vices.



From the way you talk about the little ones i think you'd make a good father, when the time comes.

Thank you.:) But for now, despite the possible truth, I'm going to maintain that those rumors are entirely unfounded.:D:p

Those aren't new. I imagine she's always had delightful curves.;):p
Argh! Simply read the "Good!" as a devider between on topic / off topic, a'ight? :cool::p:D

Argh! Simply read the "Good!" as a devider between on topic / off topic, a'ight? :cool::p:D

I did, but it was funnier this way.:D:p

I did, but it was funnier this way.:D:p
Great. And now I'm thinking about curves... :eek::p:D

Great. And now I'm thinking about curves... :eek::p:D

Just so long as they aren't mine!:eek::p

Just so long as they aren't mine!:eek::p
What? NO! :D

What? NO! :D

Good! 'Cause that'd just be creepy.:p

i am porportionate. there are girls i know who are 40 and are 5'8" and weigh a whopping 85 pounds. thats just not healthy, when i was youger i went through the whole "oh my god i cant count my ribs, so no guy is going to date me" thing and had an eating disorder for 4 years, but i had ended up being hospitalised, now i know that i should love how i look, and no matter how i turn out, something goes for the better. :D

i am porportionate. there are girls i know who are 40 and are 5'8" and weigh a whopping 85 pounds. thats just not healthy, when i was youger i went through the whole "oh my god i cant count my ribs, so no guy is going to date me" thing and had an eating disorder for 4 years, but i had ended up being hospitalised, now i know that i should love how i look, and no matter how i turn out, something goes for the better. :D

Good! 'Cause that'd just be creepy.:p
Uh-uh. No, we really don't need creepy!

i am porportionate. there are girls i know who are 40 and are 5'8" and weigh a whopping 85 pounds. thats just not healthy, when i was youger i went through the whole "oh my god i cant count my ribs, so no guy is going to date me" thing and had an eating disorder for 4 years, but i had ended up being hospitalised, now i know that i should love how i look, and no matter how i turn out, something goes for the better. :D
Good for you! http://www.section.at/img/smiley/up.gif

lol, The need to be thin but not super thin.

women are sexy by being the right size for them, you know how women can be really skinny or quite big but it looks right for them so they are sexy, also if they are happy in their body that is sexy.
Agreed. Skinny works for some girls but not for others. And some larger girls are incredibly sexy.

Hi guys, what's up?
He he he.;)

i am porportionate. there are girls i know who are 40 and are 5'8" and weigh a whopping 85 pounds. thats just not healthy, when i was youger i went through the whole "oh my god i cant count my ribs, so no guy is going to date me" thing and had an eating disorder for 4 years, but i had ended up being hospitalised, now i know that i should love how i look, and no matter how i turn out, something goes for the better. :D

That's very inspiring. I've suffered from an eating disorder too, but I still struggle with being happy with my body. What eating disorder did you have, if you mind me asking?

Uh-uh. No, we really don't need creepy!

Well, yes, we do, just not that kind of creepy.:p
*awaits Bumboat*

He he he.;)

Oh, very cute. :p

Meh. That kind of stuff is easy to say when that's all you can get. Most women naturally want jerk guys for sex. It's evolution. If your mate sleeps around, that means his offspring will probably inherit that quality and give your genetic material a better chance to continue. Now, once a woman has a kid, she of course wants a guy who'll stay near the home and protect the young, but what man wants kids?

The men who don't have good enough genes to spread them around. That's why we've evolved to have ovulations that are not easy to detect, and why women are more likely to sleep with someone other than their partner when they're ovulating. The idea is, get a good stable partner that most women wouldn't care much about because he'll be a good dad and help you raise your kid. Then go out and get pregnant by a genetically fit male who is out there spreading his seed, and your man will be none the wiser. :eek:

That's what I learned in class, anyway.

I cant speak for everywhere and everyone, but where I am, America, most women think its sexy to be so thin you can see their ribcage.
I believe, as do many of my friends, that this is a mistake on their part.
I like women to be thin, but not so much as they have no meat on them.

Your poll has inadequate options. There really ARE such things as women with curves who aren't fat, which I happen to like very, very much! :D

The men who don't have good enough genes to spread them around. That's why we've evolved to have ovulations that are not easy to detect, and why women are more likely to sleep with someone other than their partner when they're ovulating. The idea is, get a good stable partner that most women wouldn't care much about because he'll be a good dad and help you raise your kid. Then go out and get pregnant by a genetically fit male who is out there spreading his seed, and your man will be none the wiser. :eek:

That's what I learned in class, anyway.

Your class is depressing....:(

I'm just gonna dismiss that because I don't care to think of myself as inadequate as a mate...:(

http://www.girodivite.it/IMG/jpg/image3.jpg

http://www.girodivite.it/IMG/jpg/image3.jpg

I'm not sure I take your meaning.

I'm not sure I take your meaning.

Do you like the one on the left (fairly thin), or the right (not too thin, but nicely shaped)?

Do you like the one on the left (fairly thin), or the right (not too thin, but nicely shaped)?

Neither. I don't know them. I have no bearing on what they are like.

The poll looks a little biased to me. I don't agree with ''I think all women need to be annhorexic'' but I do prefer flat tummys. To me looking unhealthy is not particulary sexy, I like people who are fit and active, not anorexic.

Neither. I don't know them. I have no bearing on what they are like.

I'm just asking from a physical aesthetic standpoint. Don't be so obtuse.

Do you like the one on the left (fairly thin), or the right (not too thin, but nicely shaped)?

I'd say that aesthetically speaking, being a brunette, Israel-girl wins by default. But she could go for a few more pounds on her.

I'm just asking from a physical aesthetic standpoint. Don't be so obtuse.

Sorry, I had to do it.:p

Purely aesthetically, I'd say the brunnette because of her eyes. Other than that, neither really. I prefer women who look more...real than that. Something about those two is just lacking. But like I said, I don't know either of them. That could just be what's lacking: I have no bearing on who they are, only what they are.

http://www.girodivite.it/IMG/jpg/image3.jpg
Do you like the one on the left (fairly thin), or the right (not too thin, but nicely shaped)?

Excuse me?!?! Can't wait for you or anybody else to show me where exactly she is 'not too thin'.

Do you like the one on the left (fairly thin), or the right (not too thin, but nicely shaped)?

They both look too thin to me...

The brunnette is more graceful looking, the Blonde looks fake.

Yuck, and yuck. I'm not really into skeletons with fake tits.

Agreed. One word: "eww."

Rail thin? :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5:
:mp5: :sniper: :gundge:


As long as a girl has nice breasts and/or nice legs and/or a nice ass, she is sexy. If a woman has a nice ass and nice breasts, it doesn't matter if she is a little chubby.

http://www.girodivite.it/IMG/jpg/image3.jpg

Am I the only one who thinks Ms. Israel looks like she needs to be fed?

They both look too thin to me...

so it isnt just me! *sigh of relief*

they both need a good meal!

Not sure if this has been said or not, but I know Milan recently banned models who were too thin (based on BMI) from walking the runway, and A few other major fashion cities are thinking of enforcing the same sorts of laws.
I think it's a step int he right direction, by next fashion season there might actually be models with real breasts! And non-visible rib-cages!
The age of Super-Models who are actually sexy will soon be upon us! Rejoice!

They both look too thin to me...
Neither is too thin though. The brunette is thin indeed, but not rail thin. The other woman is also thin, but not as much.

http://www.geocities.com/hourglass_women/ Here are some healthier looking women.

Here are some healthy models:

Tyra Banks
http://www.leninimports.com/tyra_banks_gallery_27.jpg

http://perso.orange.fr/vincent.mathieu/Images/tyra_banks_%20(7).jpg

Gisele Bundchen
http://www.gisele-bundchen.com.ar/gisele-bundchen.jpg

Charlize Theron (once a model)
http://www.sitevip.net/charlize_theron/images/index2.jpg

And, of course, Gwen Stefani:
http://www.iamfan.com/image/gwen-stefani.jpg

If it looks like she would break by the simplest of touch, that simply isn't sexy. Sexy for me would be tough not to break while having some rough fun, but not tough enough to break me during same fun.

They both look too thin to me...

I quite concur. I'd much rather have one of your dimensions.

They both look too thin to me...

I quite concur. I'd much rather have one of your dimensions.

The truth is... MOST women don't really know what men find sexy. They just have a rough idea based on what television and movies say.

Men like women to be healthy and normal looking and confident in themselves.

Darn right! Up until recently (when my sister moved out), I used to end up getting stuck watching Project Runway with her (When you know someone is going to move sixteen hundred miles away and live there for four years, you try to be social.). That show always irritated me. Not only were the people on it more stuck up than all the W.A.S.P.S. combined, but they always chose the most ideotic looking dresses saying that they were sexy. They were'nt. I hate to say it, but all the judges were women, how would they know what's sexy for men? They don't. That was made extremely clear by the fact that most of the models ended up either looking like circus people or someone who's had a serious run-in with most of the trees in a forest.

I agree, I only find women sexy if they look realistic. Those that bleech their hair or artificially "enlarge themselves" just aren't sexy. In fact, women who look fake or plastic or- in turn, like Barbies are downright ugly.

Its disgusting if I see a chick's ribcage, I don't want a gut sticking out, but I don't want Ms. Skeleton in front of me, I want her to be fit. That pronounces her boobs more. :D

I cant speak for everywhere and everyone, but where I am, America, most women think its sexy to be so thin you can see their ribcage.
I believe, as do many of my friends, that this is a mistake on their part.
I like women to be thin, but not so much as they have no meat on them.

Well, I think Americans are actually fairly more liberated than that ... in fact, sometimes I think women whom have guts that hang down below their waist line shouldn't walk around in public wearing baby-doll t's or half shirts ... and yet they do!

When I've traveled to Europe and Japan, American women are considerable larger.

That said, it sounds like I'd be one of those "reasonably thin" ... not true. My first girlfriend was a soccer player and somewhere down the line I later dated a life guard. I actually like women whom do NOT look fragile and even reasonably thin looks fragile and physically weak to me.

That said, one of my friends whom is very thin kicks major ass. She is approaching 40, and is an order of magnitude more atheletic than I -- in fact, when I was stuck on a bunny slope a few years ago, she climbed halfway up the hill to bring me down tandem.

Ultimately there are going to be thin and large people, and I'm fine with that. I've dated them both. But given the choice of hanging out with somebody who would rather exercise or simply stop eating, I'll go with the complusive exercise nut. I've met as many lazy thin people as fat ... and I can think of a large number of women whom are a bit large, but whom are in incredible shape -- and that is all that matters.

I like women reasonably thin. Rail thin is just disgusting.

Do you like the one on the left (fairly thin), or the right (not too thin, but nicely shaped)?

Neither of them are real women.

Neither is too thin though. The brunette is thin indeed, but not rail thin. The other woman is also thin, but not as much.

http://www.geocities.com/hourglass_women/ Here are some healthier looking women.

Here are some healthy models:

Tyra Banks
http://www.leninimports.com/tyra_banks_gallery_27.jpg

http://perso.orange.fr/vincent.mathieu/Images/tyra_banks_%20(7).jpg

Gisele Bundchen
http://www.gisele-bundchen.com.ar/gisele-bundchen.jpg

Charlize Theron (once a model)
http://www.sitevip.net/charlize_theron/images/index2.jpg

And, of course, Gwen Stefani:
http://www.iamfan.com/image/gwen-stefani.jpg

Gisele is underweight. Gwen Stefani admits to having an eating disorder. Tyra Banks is hot.

Gisele seems fine to me; and as for Gwen Stefani, her body is in perfect shape now.

Depends on how you define "perfect."

Gisele seems fine to me; and as for Gwen Stefani, her body is in perfect shape now.

She's really not fine. She's too thin.

She's really not fine. She's too thin.

Jebus, the woman has almost no muscle.:eek:

Jebus, the woman has almost no muscle.:eek:

What's your opinion on how women should be? I'm interested.

being thin is not healthy. and i like my women to be healthy.

Hehe...this thread is as bitchy as gossip mags. :p

Hehe...this thread is as bitchy as gossip mags. :p

You love it, don't you? :p
MSN?

I cant speak for everywhere and everyone, but where I am, America, most women think its sexy to be so thin you can see their ribcage.
I believe, as do many of my friends, that this is a mistake on their part.
I like women to be thin, but not so much as they have no meat on them.

I like women with a bit of meat on them, for preference. There is a point at which slim becomes too skinny for me.

She's really not fine. She's too thin.
She is borderline thin in my opinion - if she were thinner, then maybe I'd agree.

Jebus, the woman has almost no muscle.:eek:
She's Brazilian, most likely of Portuguese or Spanish origin - it's common in these countries to have her body. She would be more attractive with some muscle (Mediterranean women tend to be sinewy and lean when muscular), but she is by no means abnormally thin for Southern Europe (or Latin America, I suppose).

I'm just asking from a physical aesthetic standpoint. Don't be so obtuse.

Gimme Miss Israel. I don't like cookie-cutter blondes. Brunettes for teh win! :D

Gimme Miss Israel. I don't like cookie-cutter blondes. Brunettes for teh win! :D

http://www.munich-models.de/cards/Barbara%20Temova/vorne.jpg

http://www.vogue.de/imperia/md/images/modelarea/models/look_models/1.jpg

http://www.link2look.com/gallery/abc/18/70_558x800.jpg

Here is one brunette that outstrips most blondes in sheer beauty. If I were straight, she would be my fantasy, and if I were a woman I'd be her. Barbara Temova, for those who don't know who she is.

I'm just normal...And, believe, when an ad or an actress will make me think that I'm too fat, it will be the day when chicken will have teeth!!!!!

Holy freakin' HOTNESS!

I was going to say reasonably skinny, but my girlfriend is Chinese and quite thin. However, it is not anorexic looking. She looks like she is healthy. I think that is the key.

Girls look great body-wise away from either extreme, but she's got to have a pretty face. Some of the girls knocking around uni have got stunning bodies but it's all ruined (from a pervert's perspective) by that damn mule face.

Oh, and personality probably counts for something or whatever makes me look good after that shallow evaluation. ¬_¬

Also, skinny guys: yes or no?

You must be joking, I look at pics in magazines and see all these women who look ill because you can see their rib cages, it doesn`t look sexy at all. If you are curvy you look healthier and looked after. :eek:

http://www.vogue.de/imperia/md/images/modelarea/models/look_models/1.jpg

Here is one brunette that outstrips most blondes in sheer beauty. If I were straight, she would be my fantasy, and if I were a woman I'd be her. Barbara Temova, for those who don't know who she is.
Her face is incredible, but I'm sorry, in this picture I just want to take her home and give her a good meal.

If a guy were to become intimate with a woman who was that thin not only would he be in danger of harming the poor fragile thing he would need to be careful to not cut himself on her hip bones!

You must be joking, I look at pics in magazines and see all these women who look ill because you can see their rib cages, it doesn`t look sexy at all. If you are curvy you look healthier and looked after. :eek:

Just because the ribcage can be seen, it doesn't mean that person is ill. :rolleyes:
When I was training everyday I had a totally flat tummy and while stretching you could see my ribcage. But I was not ill at all, I'm betting that I was certainly more healthy than most of you posting here. Everyone who is skinny does not have some kind of eating disorder. About five months ago after I'd lost my job and started to run out of money, I stopped eating as much as usual and I kept feeling faint during my martial arts classes. Of course I realised that was stupid, and gave up training instead of food. :(
Since then I have put on a inch to my tummy and my ribcage can no longer be seen, but I feel really out of shape. I'll be getting my student loan in soon enough and when the money comes through I'll be taking up martial arts again, and swimming. I've been doing a little jogging this week, to get used to strenuous exercise again. It's not going too well, running is horrible when you're out of shape.

Anyway. The point in this long story is to say that just because a ribcage can be seen, it doesn't always mean that the person is unhealthy.

What the hell. Random fitness model:

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Rebecca_Leigh_model_sexy_fitness_model_ezr.jpg

She looks toned to me, but if anyone wants to bitch and say how disgusting she looks then go ahead. :rolleyes:

What's your opinion on how women should be? I'm interested.
They should be as they are, not as anyone expects them to be. Shouldn't it be that simple? And I think my doubts concerning the authenticity of physical form of beauty pageant contestants are well-founded. But frankly, I don't find a form that thin appealing.

Probably my paternal instincts kicking in looking for a suitable mother for my children or something.:p
She is borderline thin in my opinion - if she were thinner, then maybe I'd agree.


She's Brazilian, most likely of Portuguese or Spanish origin - it's common in these countries to have her body. She would be more attractive with some muscle (Mediterranean women tend to be sinewy and lean when muscular), but she is by no means abnormally thin for Southern Europe (or Latin America, I suppose).
Yes, but I'm German and Irish (among other heritages), so I prefere a woman with more flesh.:p
[IMG]http://www.munich-models.de/cards/Barbara%20Temova/vorne.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.vogue.de/imperia/md/images/modelarea/models/look_models/1.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.link2look.com/gallery/abc/18/70_558x800.jpg[IMG]

Here is one brunette that outstrips most blondes in sheer beauty. If I were straight, she would be my fantasy, and if I were a woman I'd be her. Barbara Temova, for those who don't know who she is.
Much, much too thin for me. Not attractive.
Her face is incredible, but I'm sorry, in this picture I just want to take her home and give her a good meal.
Odd. I want to mistake her for dead and dump her in a mass grave with the rest of the starving prisoners...:p
If a guy were to become intimate with a woman who was that thin not only would he be in danger of harming the poor fragile thing he would need to be careful to not cut himself on her hip bones!

I'm more afraid of losing an eye!:eek:

If a guy were to become intimate with a woman who was that thin not only would he be in danger of harming the poor fragile thing he would need to be careful to not cut himself on her hip bones!

This was uncalled for and wrong of me to post I apologise to any thin person reading this. You are fine and Im the messed up one for posting that.

Just because the ribcage can be seen, it doesn't mean that person is ill. :rolleyes:
When I was training everyday I had a totally flat tummy and while stretching you could see my ribcage. But I was not ill at all, I'm betting that I was certainly more healthy than most of you posting here. Everyone who is skinny does not have some kind of eating disorder. About five months ago after I'd lost my job and started to run out of money, I stopped eating as much as usual and I kept feeling faint during my martial arts classes. Of course I realised that was stupid, and gave up training instead of food. :(
Since then I have put on a inch to my tummy and my ribcage can no longer be seen, but I feel really out of shape. I'll be getting my student loan in soon enough and when the money comes through I'll be taking up martial arts again, and swimming. I've been doing a little jogging this week, to get used to strenuous exercise again. It's not going too well, running is horrible when you're out of shape.

Anyway. The point in this long story is to say that just because a ribcage can be seen, it doesn't always mean that the person is unhealthy.
No, thats true. All women aren't built the same either, so what is healthy on one may be over or under weight on another. I just don't think girls should look emaciated. And I REALLY don't think the emaciated look should be extolled as the pinnacle of beauty. Beautiful women come in all different shapes and sizes.

What the hell. Random fitness model:

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Rebecca_Leigh_model_sexy_fitness_model_ezr.jpg

She looks toned to me, but if anyone wants to bitch and say how disgusting she looks then go ahead. :rolleyes:
There is a whole lot I don't like about that picture, but her figure isn't part of it. She looks in shape and healthy. (Altho, look at the way she is arching her back. I think probably her ribs would not be showing, or at least not as much, if her back were straight instead of arched back.)

I think America Ferrera is a good example of a girl who looks "normal" AND beautiful.

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/1065229/HH/1065229/iid_950736.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Ferrera,%20America

http://www.sacticket.com/static/movies/news/images/0601perfectfit01.jpg

http://www.sacticket.com/static/movies/news/images/0601perfectfit01.jpg
You http'd twice. :p

I share your dislike of the common attitude that says women must be skinny to be attractive. But I also dislike it when people keep repeating things such as: ''It's just not healthy to be that thin, she must be starving herself. I don't find skinny people attractive, it's just disgusting.'' People care about weight too much. Fair enough if you find a certain type to be more attractive. But it's not nice to bitch about skinny or fat people. Meanies! :(

You http'd twice. :p

I share your dislike of the common attitude that says women must be skinny to be attractive. But I also dislike it when people keep repeating things such as: ''It's just not healthy to be that thin, she must be starving herself. I don't find skinny people attractive, it's just disgusting.'' People care about weight too much. Fair enough if you find a certain type to be more attractive. But it's not nice to bitch about skinny or fat people. Meanies! :(

It's true. And that alone causes all sorts of health problems, especially eating disorders for one reason or another.

Her face is incredible, but I'm sorry, in this picture I just want to take her home and give her a good meal.
It's her face I am posting her for. ;)

What the hell. Random fitness model:

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Rebecca_Leigh_model_sexy_fitness_model_ezr.jpg

She looks toned to me, but if anyone wants to bitch and say how disgusting she looks then go ahead. :rolleyes:
To me her body is perfect for a woman. It's one variant of the hourglass, the toned, athletic type (the other being slim).



Yes, but I'm German and Irish (among other heritages), so I prefere a woman with more flesh.:p
Naturally. :) My point is simply that Meds do tend to be on the thin/lean side of the spectrum.

Much, much too thin for me. Not attractive.

It's her gorgeous face I made reference to. Her body could do with some aggrandisement.

Naturally. :) My point is simply that Meds do tend to be on the thin/lean side of the spectrum.


It's her gorgeous face I made reference to. Her body could do with some aggrandisement.

There's more to the body than the face, and more to a woman than her body.

There's more to the body than the face, and more to a woman than her body.
Sure there is. I'm just speaking about her facial beauty. :)

You http'd twice. :p

I share your dislike of the common attitude that says women must be skinny to be attractive. But I also dislike it when people keep repeating things such as: ''It's just not healthy to be that thin, she must be starving herself. I don't find skinny people attractive, it's just disgusting.'' People care about weight too much. Fair enough if you find a certain type to be more attractive. But it's not nice to bitch about skinny or fat people. Meanies! :(

You fixed it!!! Thanks! :fluffle:

And it's nice to see we agree. As long as the person is relatively healthy, and happy with themselves, it shouldnt matter what the scale says.

Your class is depressing....:(

I'm just gonna dismiss that because I don't care to think of myself as inadequate as a mate...:(

Sorry baby.

http://www.girodivite.it/IMG/jpg/image3.jpg

I like Israel's face.

This was uncalled for and wrong of me to post I apologise to any thin person reading this. You are fine and Im the messed up one for posting that.

That was so cute of you to apologize. You didn't have to, I'm sure. :cool:

Sure there is. I'm just speaking about her facial beauty. :)
But even keeping with the superficiality of the thread, there's so much more. Most straight men look at the whole of the body. Not just the face. So the point is moot and invalid at best.
Sorry baby.

But then there's only one way to find out for sure, isn't there?;):cool:

Do you like the one on the left (fairly thin), or the right (not too thin, but nicely shaped)?

Well, the one on the left is a bit too skinny for my tastes, but I do like her face. The one on the right has a nicer body, and a nice face, but not as nice.

But even keeping with the superficiality of the thread, there's so much more. Most straight men look at the whole of the body. Not just the face. So the point is moot and invalid at best.
How is it invalid? Does she not have a pretty (gorgeous in fact) face? Imagine her on a less thin body then if that helps.

To me her body is perfect for a woman. It's one variant of the hourglass, the toned, athletic type (the other being slim).

I'm perfectly hourglass and not slim. What the hell are you talking about?

I'm perfectly hourglass and not slim. What the hell are you talking about?
Got pics then? Because from my experience most people haven't got the faintest idea of what slim is. They think it is thin. Same with the hourglass shape.

http://www.melange4women.com/drforyoboty.html

Characterized by a pronounced bust, small bone structure, a defined waist, curved hips, sometimes protuding buttocks, and shapely legs. You've got curves, so show them off! Halle Berry is a good example of an hour-glass shape.

Charlize Theron is a good example of a slim hourglass shape.

Got pics then? Because from my experience most people haven't got the faintest idea of what slim is. They think it is thin. Same with the hourglass shape.

http://www.melange4women.com/drforyoboty.html



Charlize Theron is a good example of a slim hourglass shape.

My measurements are exactly hourglass. My bust and hips are the same, and my waist is smaller. I have C breasts, and generous hips. I think I'd know my own body type. What's "slim", technically?

My measurements are exactly hourglass. My bust and hips are the same, and my waist is smaller. I have C breasts, and generous hips. I think I'd know my own body type. What's "slim", technically?
It generally refers to statuesque women like Charlize Theron (5ft10, usually 145 lbs), who are curvaceous and well proportioned, and carry little extra weight. It's the in-between stage of thin and plump, and is what I'd consider healthy.

A plump woman can be hourglass, but it depends on the overall distribution of fat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_body_shape

Triangles (Facing Inward), aka Hourglass tend to be the most ideal for weight gain. Their body typically enlarges the shoulders, chest, hips and rear before and more than any other part, including waist and stomach.

The end result is a woman who looks more voluptuous than merely plump. It's a good type for any weight category really, but especially toned, slim or plump. Out of interest, what do you weigh and how tall are you?

How is it invalid? Does she not have a pretty (gorgeous in fact) face? Imagine her on a less thin body then if that helps.

But that isn't the point of the thread. It's about the whole body, not the face. And frankly, not so much. Imagining her head on another body not only objectifies her further still, but als makes it even less valid, for it isn't just her body we're disregarding. It's also the one we just attached. Looking purely at her face doesn't negate the existence of the rest of her body.

It generally refers to statuesque women like Charlize Theron (5ft10, usually 145 lbs), who are curvaceous and well proportioned, and carry little extra weight. It's the in-between stage of thin and plump, and is what I'd consider healthy.


No. It refers to women who have a body shape like an hourglass... hips and bust with a relatively small waist in comparison. It does not have any bearing on height or posture and is not too dependant on weight.

See Kelly Brook as an hourglass.

I would say a woman who is vaguely muscular with a BMI of 20.7 (the stats you give) would be VERY hard pushed to claim she has 'extra weight'.

The fitness model earlier is not hourglass

But that isn't the point of the thread. It's about the whole body, not the face. And frankly, not so much. Imagining her head on another body not only objectifies her further still, but als makes it even less valid, for it isn't just her body we're disregarding. It's also the one we just attached. Looking purely at her face doesn't negate the existence of the rest of her body.
Oh sweet god of irony.

You're both right. She is way too thin, but she does have an incredible face. Someone can be beautiful in one way, but not another. Tho, to be fair, the thread is about body types, like FD said, and not about facial structure/features.

No. It refers to women who have a body shape like an hourglass... hips and bust with a relatively small waist in comparison. It does not have any bearing on height or posture and is not too dependant on weight.

See Kelly Brook as an hourglass.

I would say a woman who is vaguely muscular with a BMI of 20.7 (the stats you give) would be VERY hard pushed to claim she has 'extra weight'.

The fitness model earlier is not hourglass
It's really in the bone structure.
Oh sweet god of irony.

You're both right. She is way too thin, but she does have an incredible face. Someone can be beautiful in one way, but not another. Tho, to be fair, the thread is about body types, like FD said, and not about facial structure/features.
What can I say? Sometimes I really enjoy posting on-topic.:D

I wasn't really questioning the face. Just positing that it didn't have so much bearing as to outweigh the significance of the body as a whole.

But that isn't the point of the thread. It's about the whole body, not the face. And frankly, not so much. Imagining her head on another body not only objectifies her further still, but als makes it even less valid, for it isn't just her body we're disregarding. It's also the one we just attached. Looking purely at her face doesn't negate the existence of the rest of her body.
Given that this is NSG, why on earth do you think I posted her face with reference to the OP? :D

No. It refers to women who have a body shape like an hourglass... hips and bust with a relatively small waist in comparison. It does not have any bearing on height or posture and is not too dependant on weight.

I was talking about slimness.

Depends on the type of rail I guess - if they are thin like railway tracts (across the width of one) I would still consider them hideous.

Given that this is NSG, why on earth do you think I posted her face with reference to the OP? :D

SPAM!?:eek::p

It generally refers to statuesque women like Charlize Theron (5ft10, usually 145 lbs), who are curvaceous and well proportioned, and carry little extra weight. It's the in-between stage of thin and plump, and is what I'd consider healthy.

A plump woman can be hourglass, but it depends on the overall distribution of fat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_body_shape



The end result is a woman who looks more voluptuous than merely plump. It's a good type for any weight category really, but especially toned, slim or plump. Out of interest, what do you weigh and how tall are you?

Hourglass women don't have to be tall. I'm over 5'7" and I weigh around 70 kg. I'm a size 10 to 12.

Hourglass women don't have to be tall. I'm over 5'7" and I weigh around 70 kg. I'm a size 10 to 12.

Rotovia's one lucky bastard...I mean, one lucky man....yes, lucky man...*shifty eyes*

;):p

Rotovia's one lucky bastard...I mean, one lucky man....yes, lucky man...*shifty eyes*

;):p

Teehee... *girlish grin*

I was talking about slimness.
Hourglass and slimness do not have to go together. There is little in the hourglass characteristic that requires slimness. Slimness even goes against what an hourglass is in many cases - it's hard to have bust and butt when you're too slim.

Hourglass and slimness do not have to go together. There is little in the hourglass characteristic that requires slimness. Slimness even goes against what an hourglass is in many cases - it's hard to have bust and butt when you're too slim.

Well, they don't have to go together, but they can. They could have a small bust and hips but an even smaller waist.

Well, they don't have to go together, but they can. They could have a small bust and hips but an even smaller waist.

Almost all women have a smaller waist than their bust and hips. Even anorexics.

Hourglass means busty with a butt and a trim waist.

I think you would really struggle to call a woman with A-Cups hourglass...

Teehee... *girlish grin*
LOL Cute. Really cute.:D
Almost all women have a smaller waist than their bust and hips. Even anorexics.

Hourglass means busty with a butt and a trim waist.

I think you would really struggle to call a woman with A-Cups hourglass...

I wouldn't. But it really doesn't matter that much.

...people should look well-fed, not like concentration camp internees.

pretty much what I was going to say. I like a woman slim but fit and curvy. once she starts looking like she needs a glucose drip, there's nothing sexy about it. some of these models look like they should be modelling the Darfur "famine-wear" collection.

glad to say, my lady still looks kick-ass. still can put in a full day surfing, still goes to judo 3 times a week, still firm.

m-m-m-m... and she's watching me type this. I may not be back for awhile.... ;)

pretty much what I was going to say. I like a woman slim but fit and curvy. once she starts looking like she needs a glucose drip, there's nothing sexy about it. some of these models look like they should be modelling the Darfur "famine-wear" collection.

glad to say, my lady still looks kick-ass. still can put in a full day surfing, still goes to judo 3 times a week, still firm.

m-m-m-m... and she's watching me type this. I may not be back for awhile.... ;)

LOL Lucky prick.:p

That's Kiera Knightly, the actress from Pirates of The Carribean.


ah! so that explains why she looks as if she was keel-hauled. she;s a ghost, right? :)

LOL Lucky prick.:p


and the rest of me! :D

ah! so that explains why she looks as if she was keel-hauled. she;s a ghost, right? :)
Something like that.:p
and the rest of me! :D

:eek:
*covers eyes to preserve innocence*;)

...
:eek:
*covers eyes to preserve innocence*;)

FD, are you sure you're that innocent? I'd never have guessed it.

FD, are you sure you're that innocent? I'd never have guessed it.

Depends on how innocent you mean that to be. I am in a purely physical (i.e. physically sexual) sense, but it might be said that I have my...impurities...;)

I cant speak for everywhere and everyone, but where I am, America, most women think its sexy to be so thin you can see their ribcage.
I believe, as do many of my friends, that this is a mistake on their part.
I like women to be thin, but not so much as they have no meat on them.



Aggree. Somewhat athletic is nice.

Aggree. Somewhat athletic is nice.

I've got just the perfect idea to exercise a woman.;)

I've got just the perfect idea to exercise a woman.;)

i want sex!! *misses sex* :(

*is subtle* :p

i want sex!! *misses sex* :(

*is subtle* :p

I don't want sex. I wouldn't object, but eh. *shrugs*

*is nonchalant*