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I cant speak for everywhere and everyone, but where I am, America, most women think its sexy to be so thin you can see their ribcage.
I believe, as do many of my friends, that this is a mistake on their part.
I like women to be thin, but not so much as they have no meat on them.

Is it sexy?

No. Nooooooooooo no no.

No, it's really - really not at all attractive.

NO!

Poll = set up

women are sexy by being the right size for them, you know how women can be really skinny or quite big but it looks right for them so they are sexy, also if they are happy in their body that is sexy.

"If we can't see your ribs, you're ugly."

-Stephen Colbert

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Stephen Colbert

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That is the common attitude.

Thin= good :)
Rail= decreasing :(
Skeletal= creepy :0

Nope, rail thin is hideous.


Then again, I don't like fatties either...

I assumed that "reasonably thin" meant within the healthy range, so I voted for that.

Why does any woman think that? No, ribcage thin isn't sexy, men like curvy women. I think that a lot of fat girls (not obese) are sexy too.

I'll take beef over bone any day. You want to call it fat, I don't care - people should look well-fed, not like concentration camp internees.

I've seen a few women that small who still manage to be hot, but it's a major exception to the rule. If I wanted a chick who was as thin as a wizened corpse, I'd turn to necrophilia.

I judge women on a base by base basis, though, regardless of race and relative age. So long as their teeth aren't messed up, their stomachs don't go out past their breasts and they're shorter than me, I'll consider any woman in my current 18-35 year old age range.

Good proportions are important, and I prefer larger women.

I am curvy and I haven't found a guy yet who doesn't like it. In fact a lot of guys that I have dated in the past were kinda grossed out by the super thin women.

The truth is... MOST women don't really know what men find sexy. They just have a rough idea based on what television and movies say.

Men like women to be healthy and normal looking and confident in themselves.

I don't like anerexic women. Reasonably thin is fine, but I've seen women who were so thin I'd be afraid they'd break if I touched them!

While I'm hardly qualified to say, I personally think the toothpick women are freaky. A good Marilyn Monroe figure any day.

Men like women to be healthy and normal looking and confident in themselves.

Speak for yourself, fag! :D

Stick thin women are not attractive to me. If you can see bones, they are too thin anyway, and I'd be worried about breaking them if you did anything with them.

My girlfriend is a size 14 (in UK dress sizes) and absolutely gorgeous. Anything between a 10 and a 16 is my usual range (all in UK sizes, I know they differ around the world)

Ach. It's a double standard. Men like to say they want one thing, and then, in practice, choose another. At least, in my experience.

I think I'm jaded, though. Maybe I've been the victim of "I don't want her, you can have her, she's too fat for me" too many times. I live in an area where there are a lot of really, really skinny girls, and I'm a size 12, so, in comparison, a cow.

being all bones is less attractive then being fat. imo

Ach. It's a double standard. Men like to say they want one thing, and then, in practice, choose another. At least, in my experience.
What do men claim to like? In my experience they're much more honest about the subject than women.

Ach. It's a double standard. Men like to say they want one thing, and then, in practice, choose another. At least, in my experience.

I think I'm jaded, though. Maybe I've been the victim of "I don't want her, you can have her, she's too fat for me" too many times. I live in an area where there are a lot of really, really skinny girls, and I'm a size 12, so, in comparison, a cow.

I read somewhere that the average size of women in America is 12, so you aren't that bad off (assuming US sizes).

If a guy won't go out with you because he thinks you are too fat, trust me, it's his loss and your gain (meaning you gained the knowledge that he is shallow)

Methinks this thread needs pictures for comparison purposes.

Well, after 14 years of a mostly sedentary lifestyle, I'm pleased to say that it is now impossible to see my ribcage. Amazingly I'm only 100 pounds and 5'3. :eek: I still think I'm too skinny. :(

a hint of ribs can be ok, but its hit-and-miss as to whether its sexy or gross. skeletal (*cough paris hilton cough*) is just nasty.

"healthy thin" is of course good, but its all subjective. would have to find pictures to illustrate opinions, and that's difficult without breaking jolt image rules ;)
does she (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5280/teresa20ca0.jpg)count as healthy thin? sexy imho ;) :D (hint (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1116/teresa36mg9.jpg) of ribs?)

What do men claim to like? In my experience they're much more honest about the subject than women.

Most men that I talk to about it say that it may start with a physical attraction, but in the end it's the personality that they're most attracted to, which generally turns out to be false.

Case in point: I asked my ex-boyfriend if he would still love me if I was hideously deformed, and, of course, he said yes. But when I got cancer, and lost all my hair and had seven major surgeries, he dropped me like a bag of bricks.

Methinks this thread needs pictures for comparison purposes.
for rail thin-
Mental picture: About the thin-ness of the Jews in camps during WW2
Picture: http://members.aol.com/Attic21/Anatomy/AnatPics/skeleton.gif

For reasonable: Thick enough that you can hold them without breaking them.
No pics needed

For fat-
http://www.izzyrizzy.com/Section/Seasonal/Rentals/images/Misc/fat%20Lady.jpg
NEED I SAY MORE?

Well, after 14 years of a mostly sedentary lifestyle, I'm pleased to say that it is now impossible to see my ribcage. Amazingly I'm only 100 pounds and 5'3. :eek: I still think I'm too skinny. :(

According to a site I found with google (http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/), , you are slightly underweight.

does she (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5280/teresa20ca0.jpg)count as healthy thin? sexy imho ;) :D (hint (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1116/teresa36mg9.jpg) of ribs?)

Yuck, and yuck. I'm not really into skeletons with fake tits.

Methinks this thread needs pictures for comparison purposes.

Here (http://www.xanga.com/PersephoneSkye) you go. :)

You can look at my story while you're at it. :D

Yuck, and yuck. I'm not really into skeletons with fake tits.

yeah, they grossed me out too, but I thought maybe I was being biased....

she (http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1073437519094_2004/01/10/11n_bridie,0.jpg) is healthy looking I think, but there will be some guys who say "no way she is fat" :rolleyes:

Example pics would be nice. :)

I hesitated between the normally thin and rail thin, as I wasn't quite sure of your definitions. Anyway, even a rather small amount of fat in the wrong place is a turnoff for me (wrong place being anywhere except breasts, not that cup size matters to me). Reaching the limit where a woman is too thin to be sexy, is very far away, and I don't think it's even possible in most cases to reach it without a serious eating disorder.

I don't mind curvy, athletic babes, but I'd still prefer the kind of women I can lift with one arm.

In the end I picked rail thin, because nobody else did.


EDIT: does she count as healthy thin? sexy imho (hint of ribs?)
Yes, other than the fake tits, she looks nice.

she (http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1073437519094_2004/01/10/11n_bridie,0.jpg) is healthy looking I think, but there will be some guys who say "no way she is fat" :rolleyes:
Anyone who says that is 'fat' has watched far too much porn to know what a real, natural woman looks like.

a hint of ribs can be ok, but its hit-and-miss as to whether its sexy or gross. skeletal (*cough paris hilton cough*) is just nasty.

"healthy thin" is of course good, but its all subjective. would have to find pictures to illustrate opinions, and that's difficult without breaking jolt image rules ;)
does she (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5280/teresa20ca0.jpg)count as healthy thin? sexy imho ;) :D (hint (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1116/teresa36mg9.jpg) of ribs?)
*shudders* this is where are tastes differ greatly... those pictures (plus the link on msn) make me feel ill.... :P

Most men that I talk to about it say that it may start with a physical attraction, but in the end it's the personality that they're most attracted to, which generally turns out to be false.

Case in point: I asked my ex-boyfriend if he would still love me if I was hideously deformed, and, of course, he said yes. But when I got cancer, and lost all my hair and had seven major surgeries, he dropped me like a bag of bricks.
Looks like I've been thrown in the deep end. I'm sorry to hear your story, but it's true that men really are attracted to women's personalities. Your ex probably believed what he said at the time.

My view has never been tested like that... but don't judge all men by him.

I've heard plenty of stories of men being dumped by their girlfriends and even losing their wives over such things as that.

she (http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1073437519094_2004/01/10/11n_bridie,0.jpg) is healthy looking I think, but there will be some guys who say "no way she is fat" :rolleyes:

She isn't fat. She does go out at the belly, but that's more a question of shape than weight, surely?

The truth is... MOST women don't really know what men find sexy. They just have a rough idea based on what television and movies say.

Men like women to be healthy and normal looking and confident in themselves.

Exactly. Healthy is the important thing to me. And healthy is different for women depending on their natural build. I'm attracted to women with a wide (no pun intended) range of builds and shapes.

It depends on the woman.

Some women have bone structure that really rewards gauntness. Others look a lot better with significant bulk.

yeah, they grossed me out too, but I thought maybe I was being biased....

she (http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1073437519094_2004/01/10/11n_bridie,0.jpg) is healthy looking I think, but there will be some guys who say "no way she is fat" :rolleyes:

That's about what I look like. Maybe a little more right around the hips, but that's about right. Way too fat for the men around where I live.

Yuck, and yuck. I'm not really into skeletons with fake tits.

fair enough. to me she looks healthy, athletic and really quite yummy *shrugs*

Exactly. Healthy is the important thing to me. And healthy is different for women depending on their natural build. I'm attracted to women with a wide (no pun intended) range of builds and shapes.

Well said.

(But when the heck did you become a Mod????????)

*shudders* this is where are tastes differ greatly... those pictures (plus the link on msn) make me feel ill.... :P

i know it (she) is unrealistic, etc, but i just... find her attractive. i can't explain why - just do :confused:

"healthy thin" is of course good, but its all subjective. would have to find pictures to illustrate opinions, and that's difficult without breaking jolt image rules ;)
does she (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5280/teresa20ca0.jpg)count as healthy thin? sexy imho ;) :D (hint (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1116/teresa36mg9.jpg) of ribs?)
She looks way too thin to me.

My BMI is 21.2 according to the website.

i know it (she) is unrealistic, etc, but i just... find her attractive. i can't explain why - just do :confused:
How did your taste in women get so Hollywoodified/Americanised?

fair enough. to me she looks healthy, athletic and really quite yummy *shrugs*

The only reason you like her is because she's got large breasts. If she didn't have large breasts, she'd be a yucky skeleton.

ie: This. (http://static.flickr.com/16/21589485_43feed2be5_m.jpg)

Well said.

Thanks. :)

(But when the heck did you become a Mod????????)

This (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498387) should answer your question.

i know it (she) is unrealistic, etc, but i just... find her attractive. i can't explain why - just do :confused:
can't explain attractedness, dont worry :fluffle:
and it's not that she's unrealistic... it's just she creeps me out and just... makes me feel ill... uh... I cant explain unattractedness either :p

What about her? (http://www.buzzle.com/img/articleImages/4185-36.jpg)

What about her? (http://www.buzzle.com/img/articleImages/4185-36.jpg)

She's fucking ugl- ahem - very unattractive, but that's not 'cause of her body...

I like mid-range. Not obese yet not rail thin. I always look at the anorexics and think I would snap them in half if I had contact with em.


Note: It's partly about the mind too. Some of the hotest girls I have met can kill a hardon by just opening thier mouths.

What about her? (http://www.buzzle.com/img/articleImages/4185-36.jpg)

nasty. i think its not just ribs/no ribs, but the actual thin-ness (waist) of the lady in question that really matters

can't explain attractedness, dont worry :fluffle:
and it's not that she's unrealistic... it's just she creeps me out and just... makes me feel ill... uh... I cant explain unattractedness either :p
:fluffle:

The only reason you like her is because she's got large breasts. If she didn't have large breasts, she'd be a yucky skeleton.

ie: This. (http://static.flickr.com/16/21589485_43feed2be5_m.jpg)
she seems quite hot to me...


How did your taste in women get so Hollywoodified/Americanised?

don't know. probably porn :p
that and FHM magazines etc

She's fucking ugl- ahem - very unattractive, but that's not 'cause of her body...

That's Kiera Knightly, the actress from Pirates of The Carribean.

That's Kiera Knightly, the actress from Pirates of The Carribean.

*shrug* Just 'cause she's famous doesn't mean she's pretty.

That's about what I look like. Maybe a little more right around the hips, but that's about right. Way too fat for the men around where I live.

Why are you depending on men's opinions? If that's more or less what you look like, I hate you ... I mean, you're gorgeous ;) and you ought to move closer to me.

*shrug* Just 'cause she's famous doesn't mean she's pretty.

Fair enough. I think that might just be a bad picture of her; I think she's quite pretty. In all honestly, I wish I could be thin like that.

That's about what I look like. Maybe a little more right around the hips, but that's about right. Way too fat for the men around where I live.

meh, if you look like that, you are fine, any guy who doesn't think so is an ass. ;)

women have curves, men need to get used to it.

(yes, curves in addition to the breasts, you know hips, butts, little bit of pudge under the belly button.....)

Fair enough. I think that might just be a bad picture of her; I think she's quite pretty. In all honestly, I wish I could be thin like that.

:eek: You're crazy.

That's Kiera Knightly, the actress from Pirates of The Carribean.

That's Kiera? I've seen her look much better.

Why are you depending on men's opinions? If that's more or less what you look like, I hate you ... I mean, you're gorgeous ;) and you ought to move closer to me.

Ach, I dunno. Like I said, I'm jaded.

meh, if you look like that, you are fine, any guy who doesn't think so is an ass.

women have curves, men need to get used to it.

(yes, curves in addition to the breasts, you know hips, butts, little bit of pudge under the belly button.....)

It's all about preference, though. A guy is allowed to think women are more attractive thin. I just wish there were more guys who think women are more attractive when they look like me. Exactly like me. XD!

:eek: You're crazy.

She has a nice body...

Ach, I dunno. Like I said, I'm jaded.
I know, we all want to be what we aren't.

It's all about preference, though. A guy is allowed to think women are more attractive thin. I just wish there were more guys who think women are more attractive when they look like me. Exactly like me. XD!
as guys age they get more intelligent when it comes to choosing dates (or most of them do), pretty soon the prevailing wisdom among guys your age will be that they need a girl who is healthy and happy with herself, not one that looks like a porn star.

:eek: You're crazy.

Come on. In today's society, thin-ness is praised more than ever. A woman would have to be really, really, really, really, REALLY secure with herself to never EVER wish she was thinner. Or, you know, already be really thin.

Every woman occasionally pokes her belly or thigh in the mirror and sighs because she isn't thin enough, or muscular enough, or her breasts aren't big enough, or her butt is too flat, or too big, or she's got love-handles, or she can't fit into those pair of jeans anymore. It's the nature of the beast; if that wasn't the way women were, then companies like Jenny Craig and Nutrisystem and LA Fitness and stuff would go out of business.

My "type" is a 5'-0" -5'-3" female 105 lbs(im 6-4) with a considerable part of that top heavy. If ya know what i mean, wink wink nudge nudge if ya know what i mean. <end Python> Is that thin or aneorexic i dunno but thats what i like.

She has a nice body...

She looks like a freaking Holocaust survivor!

She looks like a freaking Holocaust survivor!

No, she doesn't. She looks like a thin woman.
(Holocaust comments aren't cool, dude.)

Come on. In today's society, thin-ness is praised more than ever. A woman would have to be really, really, really, really, REALLY secure with herself to never EVER wish she was thinner. Or, you know, already be really thin.

Every woman occasionally pokes her belly or thigh in the mirror and sighs because she isn't thin enough, or muscular enough, or her breasts aren't big enough, or her butt is too flat, or too big, or she's got love-handles, or she can't fit into those pair of jeans anymore. It's the nature of the beast; if that wasn't the way women were, then companies like Jenny Craig and Nutrisystem and LA Fitness and stuff would go out of business.

So? You're still crazy, and I've got TONS of insecurites (mostly about acne, but also about how thin I am).

And I hope all those companies would go out of business, their ads are oftentimes just as retarded as Bush... :eek:

And don't get me started on acne and zit cream ads. :mad:

Come on. In today's society, thin-ness is praised more than ever. A woman would have to be really, really, really, really, REALLY secure with herself to never EVER wish she was thinner. Or, you know, already be really thin.

Every woman occasionally pokes her belly or thigh in the mirror and sighs because she isn't thin enough, or muscular enough, or her breasts aren't big enough, or her butt is too flat, or too big, or she's got love-handles, or she can't fit into those pair of jeans anymore. It's the nature of the beast; if that wasn't the way women were, then companies like Jenny Craig and Nutrisystem and LA Fitness and stuff would go out of business.

true. at my most cynical i'd say its all an artificial industry made to fulfil wants and needs placed there by said industry over years of marketing and psychological tricks in advertising. kinda evil really.
but also, its not just women who do that. i'm a guy and i'm sick of how i look, personally, and have been for years.


anyway, one more picture (cos i was busy "researching" pics *cough* :p)... healthy (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7967/fashion2020swim20bikini20shows20miami2001kq3.jpg)?

No, she doesn't. She looks like a thin woman.
(Holocaust comments aren't cool, dude.)

She looks like she just lived through the Holocaust to me. Seriously. I'm not joking.

No, she doesn't. She looks like a thin woman.
(Holocaust comments aren't cool, dude.)

she is pretty thin and pointy though, I prefer for my bones not to stick out like that.

She looks like a freaking Holocaust survivor!

Actually... she has my body (Except she has tits. :eek:)... and I look like a normal person, not a Holocaust survivor. And I'm strong enough to stand up to most people...

anyway, one more picture (cos i was busy "researching" pics *cough* :p)... healthy (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7967/fashion2020swim20bikini20shows20miami2001kq3.jpg)?

My credit card is made of less plastic than that. :p

anyway, one more picture (cos i was busy "researching" pics *cough* :p)... healthy (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7967/fashion2020swim20bikini20shows20miami2001kq3.jpg)?

Though I hate how she's dressed, I'd have to say yes.

All I'm saying is that despite knowing in my head that I should be fine just the way I am, I would change to Kiera's size in a New York minute, if I could. I'm tired of being "The Fat Friend". You know?

(Also, clear skin can be a bit more of a curse. Everybody gets a zit now and again; and if you have clear skin, everybody notices.)

Though I hate how she's dressed, I'd have to say yes.

...She's about as skinny as Kiera...

Actually... she has my body (Except she has tits. :eek:)... and I look like a normal person, not a Holocaust survivor. And I'm strong enough to stand up to most people...

You're wayyy thin then. :eek:

true. at my most cynical i'd say its all an artificial industry made to fulfil wants and needs placed there by said industry over years of marketing and psychological tricks in advertising. kinda evil really.
but also, its not just women who do that. i'm a guy and i'm sick of how i look, personally, and have been for years.


anyway, one more picture (cos i was busy "researching" pics *cough* :p)... healthy (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7967/fashion2020swim20bikini20shows20miami2001kq3.jpg)?

She's just like Kiera, except less muscular, and with more fake boobs.

...She's about as skinny as Kiera...

Yeah, exactly. It's the tits that make the difference, not the actual body size.

Me = Confused and disheartened, with a modest chest-size.

She's just like Kiera, except less muscular, and with more fake boobs.

i think there's a big difference between the two. maybe the difference is purely visual, and nothing to do with how healhy or thin, etc, they really are, or what their build is like... but to me they're very different indeed.

What does it matter? I'm gay anyways.

All I'm saying is that despite knowing in my head that I should be fine just the way I am, I would change to Kiera's size in a New York minute, if I could. I'm tired of being "The Fat Friend". You know?

(Also, clear skin can be a bit more of a curse. Everybody gets a zit now and again; and if you have clear skin, everybody notices.)

Kiera is MUCH skinnier than the one girl (to LNI).

And I need prescriptions for acne. Proativ never worked. :upyours:

:eek: You're crazy.

as guys age they get more intelligent when it comes to choosing dates (or most of them do), pretty soon the prevailing wisdom among guys your age will be that they need a girl who is healthy and happy with herself, not one that looks like a porn star.

Come on. In today's society, thin-ness is praised more than ever. A woman would have to be really, really, really, really, REALLY secure with herself to never EVER wish she was thinner. Or, you know, already be really thin.

Every woman occasionally pokes her belly or thigh in the mirror and sighs because she isn't thin enough, or muscular enough, or her breasts aren't big enough, or her butt is too flat, or too big, or she's got love-handles, or she can't fit into those pair of jeans anymore. It's the nature of the beast; if that wasn't the way women were, then companies like Jenny Craig and Nutrisystem and LA Fitness and stuff would go out of business.

She looks like a freaking Holocaust survivor!

No, she doesn't. She looks like a thin woman.
(Holocaust comments aren't cool, dude.)

Again, I've seen her look better, though the picture does show she's been in the gym quite a bit lately. She could look far worse, Pancake. And Smunkee's right, guys do tend to grow up eventually, most of them. But Nutopia's right, too, in that there's a very pervasive culture of thinness in the US, has been for ages (Twiggy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiggy) and the flapper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapper#Flapper_dress) come to mind). The constant touting of the rail-thin model as the ideal for women puts a great deal of pressure on women (and especially young women and teens) to attain that ideal, which is not possible for most. Taken to a extreme we get anorexia and boulimia and a lot of young women with lousy self-images.

What does it matter? I'm gay anyways.

Right on?

i think there's a big difference between the two. maybe the difference is purely visual, and nothing to do with how healhy or thin, etc, they really are, or what their build is like... but to me they're very different indeed.

Same here. there's a big difference. Kiera looks almost skeletal while the other girl looks realtively healthy.

I think slim (with Charlize Theron in mind), as well as toned/athletic, women (Gwen Stefani/ Serena Williams respectively) look best. Thin and plump are okay. Anything else is unhealthy, and quite frankly, a little revolting. A tall, statuesque woman is perfect. Petite women, or even scrawny ones, come off as unattractive.

As an interesting sidenote, a fashion show in Barcelona banned all models who were too skinny to strut their stuff. Good. Maybe now they will actually resemble humans instead of undead. Too bad for necrophiliacs though...

What does it matter? I'm gay anyways.

Uh-huh. Not all of us are. Suprisingly, the center of the universe =/= you.

Same here. there's a big difference. Kiera looks almost skeletal while the other girl looks realtively healthy.

thank you! someone thinks like me at last :p

according to this thread, i have some 'growing up' to do...

Again, I've seen her look better, though the picture does show she's been in the gym quite a bit lately. She could look far worse, Pancake. And Smunkee's right, guys do tend to grow up eventually, most of them. But Nutopia's right, too, in that there's a very pervasive culture of thinness in the US, has been for ages (Twiggy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiggy) and the flapper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapper#Flapper_dress) come to mind). The constant touting of the rail-thin model as the ideal for women puts a great deal of pressure on women (and especially young women and teens) to attain that ideal, which is not possible for most. Taken to a extreme we get anorexia and boulimia and a lot of young women with lousy self-images.

Especially among women, like myself, who are actually, physically built to be larger women. You can't move your bones. Heredity also plays a part; I come from a family of overweight women. Tradition: we celebrate around the dinner table, and from when I was a little girl, we were always told to clean our plates, even if we were full.

Look, maybe that's not even the point. Maybe the point is that I can't stay on a diet to save my life, because I have no self-control, and therefore will be completely unable to attain that perfect body-type that I want. That's what it really comes down to. And when you see other women who are thin and happy and in relationships, when you feel fat, and unhappy, and alone, it just reenforces the idea that you are sub-ideal, and the reason you're sub-ideal is because you are defective.

So the real root of the matter is that we make ourselves feel unpretty, I guess.

Right on?

Well, I don't mean that I don't care about incredibly skinny women, I just mean that I don't find women attractive, so I can't really say if they're sexy or not.

Uh-huh. Not all of us are. Suprisingly, the center of the universe =/= you.

I meant that it doesn't really matter whether I think they're sexy because I'm gay.

Especially among women, like myself, who are actually, physically built to be larger women. You can't move your bones. Heredity also plays a part; I come from a family of overweight women. Tradition: we celebrate around the dinner table, and from when I was a little girl, we were always told to clean our plates, even if we were full.

Look, maybe that's not even the point. Maybe the point is that I can't stay on a diet to save my life, because I have no self-control, and therefore will be completely unable to attain that perfect body-type that I want. That's what it really comes down to. And when you see other women who are thin and happy and in relationships, when you feel fat, and unhappy, and alone, it just reenforces the idea that you are sub-ideal, and the reason you're sub-ideal is because you are defective.

So the real root of the matter is that we make ourselves feel unpretty, I guess.

once again, i'd like to just point out that it is by no means just women who can feel this way or that pressure.
i understand completely (i am overweight - BMI of 30; celtic rugby-player shape)

however, being obviously hypocritical, i can't help finding thinner women attractive...

I meant that it doesn't really matter whether I think they're sexy because I'm gay.
I am gay too, yet this doesn't hinder me from expressing an opinion on the matter. At any rate, very few heterosexual males I know have ever admitted to liking any woman lighter than thin.

Well, I don't mean that I don't care about incredibly skinny women, I just mean that I don't find women attractive, so I can't really say if they're sexy or not.

So, then, obviously, your opinion is kind of futile and useless on this particular thread, then? If you don't have anything that adds to the conversation, then what you have to say is pretty stupid.

once again, i'd like to just point out that it is by no means just women who can feel this way or that pressure.
i understand completely (i am overweight - BMI of 30; celtic rugby-player shape)

however, being obviously hypocritical, i can't help finding thinner women attractive...

How is it overweight if you're in rugby-player shape?

i just have to say that iam thin, iam 5'3 and 113 lbs. its just the way that iam, i dont put on weight easily and if i do go up to any thing above 117lbs i look terrible. at my weight and built i think iam healthy and not rail thin.

once again, i'd like to just point out that it is by no means just women who can feel this way or that pressure.
i understand completely (i am overweight - BMI of 30; celtic rugby-player shape)

however, being obviously hypocritical, i can't help finding thinner women attractive...

You really shouldn't feel bad, that's not what I mean. I find men who are better built in the arms pretty sexy, and that's just personal preference. HOWEVER, what I am trying to say, is that if I found a guy who I really was into, and he had little weak chicken arms, it wouldn't be a total deal-breaker.

Savvy?

How is it overweight if you're in rugby-player shape?
He means his bone structure. My brother is built that way too, whereas I am more gracile and tall. It basically just means someone with a heavy bone structure and propensity to put on either fat or muscle.

How is it overweight if you're in rugby-player shape?

lol not trained rugby-player shape :p
more just stocky and rotund :P (wide shoulders, short neck, shorter thick & muscular legs, etc)

i used to be pretty good at rugby though :)

My sisters are all thin like LNI, actually. I'm the fat sister. :P

Depends. Some women can pull off rail thin, others can't (olsen twins...). Slim is the best IMHO, as many other people here have said. But I have nothing against women who are a little on the plump side. Absolutely nothing wrong with a little meat on the bones.

I must admit, however, that I just don't like fat people. I'm sorry. I really am. I'm very prejudiced, and I know it's wrong, but I can't help thinking... how did you let yourself get this way? I am especially angered by the parents of fat children, because they are probably dooming their children to a life of fatness.

Sorry ladies. I know I'm probably enforcing some bad stereotypes. It's just what I find attractive.

And what I find repulsive.

Eating habits? Whatever. Just don't binge. But for chrissake, EXERCISE. It's really not that hard.

Finally, I do know women who are totally comfortable with their weight. I know some who are fat and totally don't give a damn, and others who are skinny and eat whatever the hell they want.

So, then, obviously, your opinion is kind of futile and useless on this particular thread, then? If you don't have anything that adds to the conversation, then what you have to say is pretty stupid.

Indeed it is quite useless. But I never mentioned I was smart though. ;)

Depends. Some women can pull off rail thin, others can't (olsen twins...). Slim is the best IMHO, as many other people here have said. But I have nothing against women who are a little on the plump side. Absolutely nothing wrong with a little meat on the bones.

I must admit, however, that I just don't like fat people. I'm sorry. I really am. I'm very prejudiced, and I know it's wrong, but I can't help thinking... how did you let yourself get this way? I am especially angered by the parents of fat children, because they are probably dooming their children to a life of fatness.

Sorry ladies. I know I'm probably enforcing some bad stereotypes. It's just what I find attractive.

And what I find repulsive.

Eating habits? Whatever. Just don't binge. But for chrissake, EXERCISE. It's really not that hard.

Finally, I do know women who are totally comfortable with their weight. I know some who are fat and totally don't give a damn, and others who are skinny and eat whatever the hell they want.


"Repulsive"? Jesus, no wonder some women resort to anorexia and bulimia. We just want to be loved, and not looked at like we're maggots.

"Repulsive"? Jesus, no wonder some women resort to anorexia and bulimia. We just want to be loved, and not looked at like we're maggots.

BE SILENT, MAGGOT!!!

Just kidding....

*snip*
Agreed. For some women I suppose it is simply harder to lose/gain weight due to lower metabolisms, and perhaps having endomorphic/ectomorphic body types. Slim is good, toned or athletic is best.

"Repulsive"? Jesus, no wonder some women resort to anorexia and bulimia. We just want to be loved, and not looked at like we're maggots.
They should be resorting to exercise. Moving from one unhealthy body type to another is no solution.

"no way she is fat" :rolleyes:

Blind guys, probably.

Here (http://www.xanga.com/PersephoneSkye) you go. :)

You can look at my story while you're at it. :D

You're the one on the left, with a yellow shirt? That's what I'd call "normal size". Which is good :)

You really shouldn't feel bad, that's not what I mean. I find men who are better built in the arms pretty sexy, and that's just personal preference. HOWEVER, what I am trying to say, is that if I found a guy who I really was into, and he had little weak chicken arms, it wouldn't be a total deal-breaker.

Savvy?

of course, and i know you weren't saying anything negative about men there. i was just poining out that throughout this thread (and this general debate) its always only women who are said to be suffering from this 'perfect body' ideal crap. women quite probably are more directly targeted and possibly 'suffer' more than men in general, but that kind of pressure to achieve an ideal look/size/weight is certainly felt by a lot of my gender too. that was my point.

but on that point i'd like to agree... but i'm not sure. in theory i don't know any guy who would be into a girl but change their mind if she's a bit fat. but, most guys (generally speaking) get 'into' a girl (forgive the pun :p) on the basis of looks first.
i met my girlfriend (now of 7 months) online and didn't know what she looked like for quite a while. i suppose it could have been a deal-breaker had she turned out to be too fat for me (as it is she's very much sexy :D a little belly, yes, but its ok and she's just... sexy :fluffle: :cool: )
i'm not sure what my point is here... i guess i just may not be 'grown up' enough about this to subscribe to your POV there. but i'd wager most guys aren't either, but, as i said, get interested in a girl first on the basis of looks. i could be talking complete bollocks though (its late here! :p)

I have to wonder; Do you men realize how much effort we put into looking attractive for you? I mean, yes, part of it is wanting to look good for oneself, but it's a natural part of nature to want to look good for ones mate. It just doesn't seem that the males of our beloved planet put as much time into it as women do.

So, it's a double-edged sword: You can be naturally thin, but too thin. You can be naturally fat, and repulsive. You can diet and exercise, but that's neurotic and obsessive about your weight. You're confident and happy with the way you look, but you're still either repulsive, or a skeleton.

Ahhh! The pressure!

I have to wonder; Do you men realize how much effort we put into looking attractive for you? I mean, yes, part of it is wanting to look good for oneself, but it's a natural part of nature to want to look good for ones mate. It just doesn't seem that the males of our beloved planet put as much time into it as women do.

So, it's a double-edged sword: You can be naturally thin, but too thin. You can be naturally fat, and repulsive. You can diet and exercise, but that's neurotic and obsessive about your weight. You're confident and happy with the way you look, but you're still either repulsive, or a skeleton.

Ahhh! The pressure!

God i love being male.

My sisters are all thin like LNI, actually. I'm the fat sister. :P

you know it's like my diatician told me, people are like dogs, a greyhound wants to be a pittbull, a chihuahua wants to be a great dane, and the poodle just hates how her hair cut makes her ass look.

Everyone has a different body type, some people will never be able to pull off rail thin without a serious eating disorder and even then they will look sick, not svelte.

I would love to have Gwen Stefani's (http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:PBZAT8SqFTGuwM:http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/s/stefani/Stefani_NK01_RETNA.jpg)body, she is beautiful, but my genes and by body type won't have it, the best I can hope for is Ashley Judd (http://www.newsreview.com/binary/276c2845/film-1558.jpeg), which when you think about it isn't bad, if I do it the right way and don't develop a serious eating disorder to get there.


It's all about realistic expectations. ;) (that and not trying to live up to someone else's)

So, it's a double-edged sword: You can be naturally thin, but too thin. You can be naturally fat, and repulsive. You can diet and exercise, but that's neurotic and obsessive about your weight. You're confident and happy with the way you look, but you're still either repulsive, or a skeleton.

Ahhh! The pressure!
I disagree there - I think that a woman who exercises and eats well shows she cares about her body, and her lifestyle. To reduce attraction to its pure animalistic nature, it implies she could be a good mother I believe.

Agreed. For some women I suppose it is simply harder to lose/gain weight due to lower metabolisms, and perhaps having endomorphic/ectomorphic body types. Slim is good, toned or athletic is best.


They should be resorting to exercise. Moving from one unhealthy body type to another is no solution.

Ever heard of "Exercise Bulimia"? It's where you, instead of throwing up to purge, exercise off every calorie you put in your mouth. Just eating right and exercising seems really simple until you aren't getting results fast enough or drastic enough.

Here (http://www.xanga.com/PersephoneSkye) you go. :)

You can look at my story while you're at it. :D

Awww, look at the adorable freshman.......

Ever heard of "Exercise Bulimia"? It's where you, instead of throwing up to purge, exercise off every calorie you put in your mouth. Just eating right and exercising seems really simple until you aren't getting results fast enough or drastic enough.
Guys get this too, albeit in a varied form. This is one of those instances where patience is a virtue.

Ever heard of "Exercise Bulimia"? It's where you, instead of throwing up to purge, exercise off every calorie you put in your mouth. Just eating right and exercising seems really simple until you aren't getting results fast enough or drastic enough.

Sorry but that sounds hot. She will always be tight and in great shape, she will be in the gym 4 or 5 hours a day so you get plenty of time to yourself. Sounds like a win/win.

I would love to have Gwen Stefani's (http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:PBZAT8SqFTGuwM:http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/s/stefani/Stefani_NK01_RETNA.jpg)body, she is beautiful, but my genes and by body type won't have it, the best I can hope for is Ashley Judd (http://www.newsreview.com/binary/276c2845/film-1558.jpeg), which when you think about it isn't bad, if I do it the right way and don't develop a serious eating disorder to get there.


It's all about realistic expectations. ;) (that and not trying to live up to someone else's)
Couldn't agree more. :) I think Gwen Stefani has one of the best bodies I've seen on a woman. She looks feminine, and at the same time toned and healthy.

I must admit, however, that I just don't like fat people. I'm sorry. I really am. I'm very prejudiced, and I know it's wrong, but I can't help thinking... how did you let yourself get this way? I am especially angered by the parents of fat children, because they are probably dooming their children to a life of fatness.
...

Eating habits? Whatever. Just don't binge. But for chrissake, EXERCISE. It's really not that hard.


i'm fat, and i got into the shape i am because of exercise. i did loads of it with swimming for my county team, training at 5am for 3 days a week and after school every day for years. sailing, mountain-biking, kayaking... all until i capcised right by a sewage pumping pipe and got very ill for months. following that i was in a car crash and shattered my arm.
as a result of those two things i wasn't able to exercise for about a year, and my metabolism turned on its head... i gained weight like nobody's business and its never come off. its particularly hard to get it off, actually, as its not just fat but a lot of untoned muscle (so said the gym lady a few months back) which is harder to lose/tone up :(

a hint of ribs can be ok, but its hit-and-miss as to whether its sexy or gross. skeletal (*cough paris hilton cough*) is just nasty.

"healthy thin" is of course good, but its all subjective. would have to find pictures to illustrate opinions, and that's difficult without breaking jolt image rules ;)
does she (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5280/teresa20ca0.jpg)count as healthy thin? sexy imho ;) :D (hint (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1116/teresa36mg9.jpg) of ribs?)

She's hot, but if she were much thinner than that she'd be unattractive and when you get so gaunt that your cheeks vanish it gets pretty gross. It's not just because she has nice fake tits either, a girl with tits half that size would still be acceptable. I don't find portly women attractive. If they're very much overweight at all it's usually a turn off for me.

Guys get this too, albeit in a varied form. This is one of those instances where patience is a virtue.

I hate to go all disgruntled teenager, but a man just can't know the pressure that a woman feels to be thin. In our society thin = beautiful, and so if you're not thin, you're not beautiful. Simple as that.

The argument shouldn't be about what methods women resort to in order to achieve "perfection", but rather the driving force behind it. Our Health classes teach us that we should be happy with our body type, and avoid eating disorders, but the conflicting messages of the media make us feel confused.

God i love being male.

i'm incredibly lucky. my GF seems to actually like me the way i look... (crazy girl)

I hate to go all disgruntled teenager, but a man just can't know the pressure that a woman feels to be thin. In our society thin = beautiful, and so if you're not thin, you're not beautiful. Simple as that.
From personal experience, most men I know prefer curvaceous, slim women, not walking broomsticks. Some go for thin women, some plump, some athletic. Few for the rakes.

The argument shouldn't be about what methods women resort to in order to achieve "perfection", but rather the driving force behind it. Our Health classes teach us that we should be happy with our body type, and avoid eating disorders, but the conflicting messages of the media make us feel confused.
Then women need to realise that what makes one women beautiful isn't necessarily their recipe to success. Like Smunkee said, they must learn to work with what they have. In the event that they cannot, surgery is an option.

i'm fat, and i got into the shape i am because of exercise. i did loads of it with swimming for my county team, training at 5am for 3 days a week and after school every day for years. sailing, mountain-biking, kayaking... all until i capcised right by a sewage pumping pipe and got very ill for months. following that i was in a car crash and shattered my arm.
as a result of those two things i wasn't able to exercise for about a year, and my metabolism turned on its head... i gained weight like nobody's business and its never come off. its particularly hard to get it off, actually, as its not just fat but a lot of untoned muscle (so said the gym lady a few months back) which is harder to lose/tone up :(

Yeah, same here. I got cancer, though, actually. They put me on steroids for a year, and I gained forty pounds, even though I was hucking up my guts every day. I was too weak to walk, let alone exercise, so I'm still trying to take the weight off. So far, I've lost 30 of the 40 pounds. But being scarred and fat really makes you feel unwanted, even if it isn't your fault.

From personal experience, most men I know prefer curvaceous, slim women, not walking broomsticks. Some go for thin women, some plump, some athletic. Few for the rakes.


Then women need to realise that what makes one women beautiful isn't necessarily their recipe to success. Like Smunkee said, they must learn to work with what they have. In the event that they cannot, surgery is an option.

You're seriously suggesting cosmetic surgery to those who are too overweight? What happened to a natural woman being sexiest?

You're seriously suggesting cosmetic surgery to those who are too overweight? What happened to a natural woman being sexiest?
Not necessarily overweight - just unhappy with their overall features. I suggest the same for men. It is not simply being able to accept yourself always. Some people just cannot. If they have the means, and the will, surgery is there. With weight though, except in rare situations, exercise is the panacea and such surgery is not needed.

Cosmetic surgery does not necessarily equate unnatural.

Yeah, same here. I got cancer, though, actually. They put me on steroids for a year, and I gained forty pounds, even though I was hucking up my guts every day. I was too weak to walk, let alone exercise, so I'm still trying to take the weight off. So far, I've lost 30 of the 40 pounds. But being scarred and fat really makes you feel unwanted, even if it isn't your fault.

that sucks :( *hugs* :fluffle:
well done with the weight loss though :) (not because you're going closer to some ideal, but cos you're achieving something you wanted to do :) for me the weight's only gone up since then, but that is all my fault lol)

So, getting something done in a fake way is not unnatural?

I have to wonder; Do you men realize how much effort we put into looking attractive for you?

Indeed, and sometimes I meet women that make me think "she better hadn't". Like the ones that put about a pound of makeup on their face. Ugh.

thank you! someone thinks like me at last :p

according to this thread, i have some 'growing up' to do...

I think the one you posted looks good on the first pic, but the second one... bad.

that sucks :( *hugs* :fluffle:
well done with the weight loss though :) (not because you're going closer to some ideal, but cos you're achieving something you wanted to do :) for me the weight's only gone up since then, but that is all my fault lol)

Thanks. :)

Indeed, and sometimes I meet women that make me think "she better hadn't". Like the ones that put about a pound of makeup on their face. Ugh.



I think the one you posted looks good on the first pic, but the second one... bad.

Agreed; I hate make-up, I don't wear any.

Yeah, same here. I got cancer, though, actually. They put me on steroids for a year, and I gained forty pounds, even though I was hucking up my guts every day. I was too weak to walk, let alone exercise, so I'm still trying to take the weight off. So far, I've lost 30 of the 40 pounds. But being scarred and fat really makes you feel unwanted, even if it isn't your fault.

I was on Prednisone for 6 months, that stuff is nasty, I was moody and broke out and gained 60lbs, crappy medicine that is. I have lost almost all of it now, but man, I hope I never get sick enough to need it again.

So, getting something done in a fake way is not unnatural?
Not if the result appears to be natural. Any good plastic surgeon will ensure this is the case. I am rather fed up of this bias against cosmetic alterations.

It isn't much less natural, at any rate, than hair dyes or make up, except that it is more permanent (and even less harmful in some cases).

What I suggest is you find a man who loves you for yourself, and who is attracted to your body type. Cosmetic surgery is deeply personal, and therefore should be reserved only if you yourself do not like who you are.

I was on Prednisone for 6 months, that stuff is nasty, I was moody and broke out and gained 60lbs, crappy medicine that is. I have lost almost all of it now, but man, I hope I never get sick enough to need it again.

Prednisone! Augh! Me too! I hated that stuff. I was on it for a year, 30ML a day.

Not if the result appears to be natural. Any good plastic surgeon will ensure this is the case. I am rather fed up of this bias against cosmetic alterations.

It isn't much less natural, at any rate, than hair dyes or make up, except that it is more permanent (and even less harmful in some cases).

What I suggest is you find a man who loves you for yourself, and who is attracted to your body type. Cosmetic surgery is deeply personal, and therefore should be reserved only if you yourself do not like who you are.

But shouldn't the goal be to like yourself the way you are? I mean, isn't that the purpose? So that there is some diversity? Sure, it'd be sweet if we could all look like Carmen Elektra, but...jeez.

Prednisone! Augh! Me too! I hated that stuff. I was on it for a year, 30ML a day.

wow. I am serious if you can live through that you can live through anything, don't worry about what other people say about you, you be you. Whatever it takes for you to be happy is enough (assuming you don't have a screwed up priority list from an eating disorder you know)

But shouldn't the goal be to like yourself the way you are? I mean, isn't that the purpose? So that there is some diversity? Sure, it'd be sweet if we could all look like Carmen Elektra, but...jeez.
It should be the goal, but not everyone is able to just accept themselves. I myself am totally open to some surgery to improve on my facial features. I therefore think cosmetic surgery provides a valuable alternative to just simply being unhappy about it.

It should be the goal, but not everyone is able to just accept themselves. I myself am totally open to some surgery to improve on my facial features.

Well, to each his own, I suppose. I'm just going to keep dieting and hopefully lose the weight. I'm just sick of the male, and indeed, all of society's, propensity to make women feel fat, that's all.


wow. I am serious if you can live through that you can live through anything, don't worry about what other people say about you, you be you. Whatever it takes for you to be happy is enough (assuming you don't have a screwed up priority list from an eating disorder you know)

I'm trying, I really am. It just bothers me, particularly because of my experience with my ex-boyfriend who dumped me when I began to look really sick. It's things like that which sway an opinion, and...ach, I dunno. Most of the time I'm happy with my weight. Only when attention is drawn to it do I feel very self-conscious.

yeah, they grossed me out too, but I thought maybe I was being biased....

she (http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1073437519094_2004/01/10/11n_bridie,0.jpg) is healthy looking I think, but there will be some guys who say "no way she is fat" :rolleyes:
I can't imagine how that could possibly be considered fat

Well, to each his own, I suppose. I'm just going to keep dieting and hopefully lose the weight. I'm just sick of the male, and indeed, all of society's, propensity to make women feel fat, that's all.
Then I think you are already doing the best you can, and I wish you well. :)

I can't imagine how that could possibly be considered fat
She strikes me as plump. Slim is what I consider to be "normal." I think she looks great.

I can't imagine how that could possibly be considered fat

Trust me. She's got a little on her arms, and her stomach isn't concave, and you can tell that she's got a bit on her hips and thighs, and her butt doesn't look all that small.

Some guys really do like girls very petite. My best friend; He LOVES girls that are really, really REALLY skinny. He doesn't date girls who are bigger than Kiera over there (something that I rag on him endlessly about. but he knows he's a shallow dickhead, so..XD)

I can't imagine how that could possibly be considered fat

she is a plus sized model, her BMI is in the overweight range, and she and I wear the same size of jeans.

a lot of people think she is fat, otherwise she would just be a model and clothes would just be clothes.

Look, maybe that's not even the point. Maybe the point is that I can't stay on a diet to save my life, because I have no self-control, and therefore will be completely unable to attain that perfect body-type that I want. That's what it really comes down to. And when you see other women who are thin and happy and in relationships, when you feel fat, and unhappy, and alone, it just reenforces the idea that you are sub-ideal, and the reason you're sub-ideal is because you are defective
How old are you? Men aren't actually that obsessed with how thin women are. Your personality is more important and make sure you confidently express that.

The women who are thin and in relationships probably aren't really there due to being thin.

I like women who are thin, but have a filled-out figure, with curves (Drools).

How old are you? Men aren't actually that obsessed with how thin women are. Your personality is more important and make sure you confidently express that.

The women who are thin and in relationships probably aren't really there due to being thin.

I'm seventeen.

I must admit, however, that I just don't like fat people. I'm sorry. I really am. I'm very prejudiced, and I know it's wrong, but I can't help thinking... how did you let yourself get this way? I am especially angered by the parents of fat children, because they are probably dooming their children to a life of fatness.
I feel that way about obese people, but I don't think it's wrong for me to think like that. They're going to be sucking up healthcare and doctors just because they didn't have the personal responsibilty to take care of themselves.

How old are you? Men aren't actually that obsessed with how thin women are.
True, 'tis all about teh boobs;)

I'm seventeen.
That's pretty young. Way too young to be making judgements and too young to be "jaded".

At that age what do you need to be in a relationship for? I'm 20 and have never had a real one. It's because at my age most girls seem to want older guys and I don't want to go out with younger girls than me. Also in teen years girls tastes seem to be very predictable and homogenous.

I feel that way about obese people, but I don't think it's wrong for me to think like that. They're going to be sucking up healthcare and doctors just because they didn't have the personal responsibilty to take care of themselves.

Same here!
I also agree with the person you quoted!
I look at fat people and think "Oh my god, how did they lose control, or did they just get freakin spoiled?"
My little cousin is 8 years old and hes a fat brat! all he does all day is watch TV and play video games, and he only gets up to get more food
:upyours:

That's pretty young. Way too young to be making judgements and too young to be "jaded".

At that age what do you need to be in a relationship for? I'm 20 and have never had a real one. It's because at my age most girls seem to want older guys and I don't want to go out with younger girls than me. Also in teen years girls tastes seem to be very predictable and homogenous.

The reason that girls my age date up is because we mature mentally faster than boys our age, and therefore, desire a more mature relationship, sooner. And you're only three years older than me, it's not as though you, having now branched one year out of teen-hood and now into adult-hood, are able to make judgements back upon me. You're not even old enough to drink, for the love of G-d.

Predictable and homogenous how? You can't group an entire age-group like that; preferences are vastly different among different people, regardless their age.

And I am old enough to make my opinion, and definitely old enough to feel jaded. Everybody tells me that since I had cancer, I was forced to grow up faster. If I'm old enough to have had experience with death, I'm certainly old enough to make decisions about how I feel on my own relationships. Please, don't belittle me because of my age.

If the chick is just naturally really thin, I don’t have a problem with it.

Predictable and homogenous how? You can't group an entire age-group like that; preferences are vastly different among different people, regardless their age.
Sure you can, and he just did.

Sure you can, and he just did.

What I mean is that it's a generalization, and generalizations are often false.

What I mean is that it's a generalization, and generalizations are often false.
They have to come from somewhere. You aren't really going to sit there and say that most teenagers aren't disgustingly ignorant and shallow, are you?

They have to come from somewhere. You aren't really going to sit there and say that most teenagers aren't disgustingly ignorant and shallow, are you?

No, I wouldn't go that far; I go to school with 1200 of them everyday. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not one of them, and neither are many of my friends. Therefore, choosing to judge me based on that generalization would be ridiculous, since it doesn't apply to me. If you're going to judge me, at least judge me based on my actual characteristics, not the characteristics of those in my age classification.

It'd be like saying that I don't care about anything but money, because I'm Jewish. Not all Jews are greedy, though some are. Or that I'm dumb, because I'm blonde. I'm not blonde, but you get the idea.

The reason that girls my age date up is because we mature mentally faster than boys our age, and therefore, desire a more mature relationship, sooner. And you're only three years older than me, it's not as though you, having now branched one year out of teen-hood and now into adult-hood, are able to make judgements back upon me. You're not even old enough to drink, for the love of G-d.
I agree, it's ridiculous that Americans can't drink until they're 21. ;)

Predictable and homogenous how? You can't group an entire age-group like that; preferences are vastly different among different people, regardless their age.
Short hair, muscular, almost abrasively extrovert, that's how about 75% of teenage girls like their boys.

And I am old enough to make my opinion, and definitely old enough to feel jaded. Everybody tells me that since I had cancer, I was forced to grow up faster. If I'm old enough to have had experience with death, I'm certainly old enough to make decisions about how I feel on my own relationships. Please, don't belittle me because of my age.
You don't know everything, mature as you may be.

They have to come from somewhere. You aren't really going to sit there and say that most teenagers aren't disgustingly ignorant and shallow, are you?
Nowadays I'd extend that and say that most people are disgustingly ignorant and shallow.

:upyours:

You are generalizing in teh ub3r bad way.
She is old enough to be involved in it.
Anyone is (after puberty), and 17 is way after.

Who am I talking to?

Anyone that says the 17-year-olds aren't "ready" or "able".

I agree, it's ridiculous that Americans can't drink until they're 21. ;)


Short hair, muscular, almost abrasively extrovert, that's how about 75% of teenage girls like their boys.


You don't know everything, mature as you may be.

Apologies for assuming you're American. Who the hell wants to be American, anyway. x_x

Not my type at all.

And I know that, but neither do you. And, despite my staggering lack of knowledge, I'm still entitled to make my own decisions on how I feel on my own experiences.

No, I wouldn't go that far; I go to school with 1200 of them everyday. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not one of them, and neither are many of my friends. Therefore, choosing to judge me based on that generalization would be ridiculous, since it doesn't apply to me. If you're going to judge me, at least judge me based on my actual characteristics, not the characteristics of those in my age classification.
You and your friends are merely dismissible outliers.
Nowadays I'd extend that and say that most people are disgustingly ignorant and shallow.
People have always been ignorant. As for being shallow, people will surprise you if you give them the chance.

Apologies for assuming you're American. Who the hell wants to be American, anyway. x_x
Who the hell wants to be any nationality?

People have always been ignorant. As for being shallow, people will surprise you if you give them the chance.
Agreed on the first part, although I will say it has never been so blissful to be ignorant as nowadays. As for the other, the more I give them the chance, the more surprised I actually am - usually by just how shallow they can be.

I think it should be said what nobody wants to say, but I'll do it.

Everyone's all stickin' up for fat people and curvy people and everything else, but what about people who want to look all un-politically correct? And I'm talking ankles so skinny they'd snap in toe shoes, upper legs not even an inch wider than your lower legs, an ass smaller than the muscular arms of your school's best football dude, teeny-tiny hourglass waist, nice boobies, ribs sticking out, collar bones that could cut glass, thin face with dents for cheeks, bony hands...

I don't care what they show on TV, the whole ghetto-butt-real-women-have-curves thing. I hate it and I think it's ugly and pandering to our hideous, overly-PC nation. I want to look like Twiggy, only with blonder hair, no freckles, and boobs.

So yeah, I'm sticking up for the unpopular position here: that flabbiness is ugly mediocrity and that rail-thin women are cooler to look at.

You and your friends are merely dismissible outliers.

People have always been ignorant. As for being shallow, people will surprise you if you give them the chance.

No, we're not dismissible outliers. We're people. Have a little compassion, jeez. That's why generalizing is so bad; it reduces people to statistics.

Floydistan, if I wanted to gaze upon a corpse, I'd exhume it...

I don't care whether or not being against extreme thinness is PC; I simply find it vulgar.

What do you consider reasonably thin? You might consider it 130-140, I consider it 95-115.

What do you consider reasonably thin? You might consider it 130-140, I consider it 95-115.
At what height? A normal woman is around 5ft5 and 140 lbs in the US. For a woman at, say, 5ft10-6ft, anything under 125 lbs is no longer reasonably thin - keep in mind the average female model is 5ft10 and 130 lbs or so.

If I see ribs, that qualifies as "nasty" in my book. Curves are a good thing! :p

I voted "other" because I think it's completely dependent on the woman. I know thin women who wouldn't carry much extra weight very well, and I know curvier women who are absolutely gorgeous and wouldn't look good if they were much thinner. I'm pretty slim, with small bones and a fairly athletic build due to all the years I did sports. If someone doesn't think I'm attractive, that's fine, but I'm healthy and happy with the way I look and not about to change for anyone other than me.

I think it should be said what nobody wants to say, but I'll do it.

Everyone's all stickin' up for fat people and curvy people and everything else, but what about people who want to look all un-politically correct? And I'm talking ankles so skinny they'd snap in toe shoes, upper legs not even an inch wider than your lower legs, an ass smaller than the muscular arms of your school's best football dude, teeny-tiny hourglass waist, nice boobies, ribs sticking out, collar bones that could cut glass, thin face with dents for cheeks, bony hands...

I don't care what they show on TV, the whole ghetto-butt-real-women-have-curves thing. I hate it and I think it's ugly and pandering to our hideous, overly-PC nation. I want to look like Twiggy, only with blonder hair, no freckles, and boobs.

So yeah, I'm sticking up for the unpopular position here: that flabbiness is ugly mediocrity and that rail-thin women are cooler to look at.

That's not an unpopular position. Go find a modelling agency, everybody will agree with you there. In fact, go turn on the tube. Unless the intent of the commercial focusses on being overweight, or the character in the sitcom has to be overweight as a character flaw, they're all underweight.

Take a look at Hillary Duff, Mary-Kate Olsen, Kate Moss. It's not an unpopular opinion with them. In fact, most of the mass media thinks it's a splendid weight.

That's not an unpopular position. Go find a modelling agency, everybody will agree with you there. In fact, go turn on the tube. Unless the intent of the commercial focusses on being overweight, or the character in the sitcom has to be overweight as a character flaw, they're all underweight.
A fashion show in Barcelona today banned all skinny models from entering. It excluded those who were beneath a certain BMI index. Good on it I say. Who wants to see corpses parading?

Take a look at Hillary Duff, Mary-Kate Olsen, Kate Moss. It's not an unpopular opinion with them. In fact, most of the mass media thinks it's a splendid weight.
Ugly, ugly and even uglier (bodies). Kate Moss' only redeeming feature is her face.

That's not an unpopular position. Go find a modelling agency, everybody will agree with you there. In fact, go turn on the tube. Unless the intent of the commercial focusses on being overweight, or the character in the sitcom has to be overweight as a character flaw, they're all underweight.

Take a look at Hillary Duff, Mary-Kate Olsen, Kate Moss. It's not an unpopular opinion with them. In fact, most of the mass media thinks it's a splendid weight.

*shudder*

I'm with you, man. I'm definitely not the politically correct type, and I think that rail-thin is pretty disturbing. One can be thin and be healthy. It's not a difficult thing to accomplish, that is, unless your thyroid is hyper-active.

At what height? A normal woman is around 5ft5 and 140 lbs in the US. For a woman at, say, 5ft10-6ft, anything under 125 lbs is no longer reasonably thin - keep in mind the average female model is 5ft10 and 130 lbs or so.
You calling my momma unreasonably thin?:mad: :p

Ugly, ugly and even uglier (bodies). Kate Moss' only redeeming feature is her face.

And even her face has suffered immensely from being so underweight for so long.

Malnourishment does that.

That's not an unpopular position. Go find a modelling agency, everybody will agree with you there. In fact, go turn on the tube. Unless the intent of the commercial focusses on being overweight, or the character in the sitcom has to be overweight as a character flaw, they're all underweight.

Take a look at Hillary Duff, Mary-Kate Olsen, Kate Moss. It's not an unpopular opinion with them. In fact, most of the mass media thinks it's a splendid weight.

What's wrong with Kate Moss?

ARRGGGHHH

I am SO tired of people putting skinny girls down.
I am really skinny and I am naturally that way.
I am not anorexic, I eat a healthy amount of food, &c.
And YES, I wear a freaking 00 size pair of jeans.
Don't you guys like, care about the feelings
of the poor skinny people in the world?
Do you know how hard it is to find a nice pair of 00 jeans?
Do you all want us to just disappear?

Plenty of people have told me that I'm gorgeous.
And if you are wondering... I'm 5'4" and 92 lbs.
I'm only like, 16, so I guess I still have a ways to go.

And thank you, Floydistan.

What's wrong with Kate Moss?
You'd get a much more concise answer by saying "what isn't wrong with Kate Moss?". If you like skeletal crack whore wannabe's as rolemodels, she's your thing I suppose.

Blue Firebird, you sound naturally thin, and you are probably small built anyway. If, on the other hand, you look like a walking corpse, I'd suggest anyone who calls you attractive to get their eyes fixed. Sorry if that's hurtful...

Skinny as hell = bad.

Thin = personally I believe it to be slightly unattractive, but can be balanced out by other traits.

Normal (having more meat than a thin person) = perfect.

ARRGGGHHH

I am SO tired of people putting skinny girls down.
I am really skinny and I am naturally that way.
I am not anorexic, I eat a healthy amount of food, &c.
And YES, I wear a freaking 00 size pair of jeans.
Don't you guys like, care about the feelings
of the poor skinny people in the world?
Do you know how hard it is to find a nice pair of 00 jeans?
Do you all want us to just disappear?

Plenty of people have told me that I'm gorgeous.
And if you are wondering... I'm 5'4" and 92 lbs.
I'm only like, 16, so I guess I still have a ways to go.

And thank you, Floydistan.

*Hugs* I agree! I actually eat a *lot*, I think. I need a lot more sugar than most people, otherwise I go kind of faint.

ARRGGGHHH

I am SO tired of people putting skinny girls down.
I am really skinny and I am naturally that way.
I am not anorexic, I eat a healthy amount of food, &c.
And YES, I wear a freaking 00 size pair of jeans.
Don't you guys like, care about the feelings
of the poor skinny people in the world?
Do you know how hard it is to find a nice pair of 00 jeans?
Do you all want us to just disappear?

Plenty of people have told me that I'm gorgeous.
And if you are wondering... I'm 5'4" and 92 lbs.
I'm only like, 16, so I guess I still have a ways to go.

And thank you, Floydistan.

Not putting you down, you're just not my type. Some girls are just naturally really skinny, and many girls hate them for it. =)

At what height? A normal woman is around 5ft5 and 140 lbs in the US. For a woman at, say, 5ft10-6ft, anything under 125 lbs is no longer reasonably thin - keep in mind the average female model is 5ft10 and 130 lbs or so.

I stand by what I said, pretty much. 95 pounds is around 5-4, where 115 is around 5-10. I don't really go after girls taller than me, so I'm not worried about above that.

To be fair, I've never gotten with a girl who weighed more than 115... well, not sober anyways.

I stand by what I said, pretty much. 95 pounds is around 5-4, where 115 is around 5-10. I don't really go after girls taller than me, so I'm not worried about above that.

To be fair, I've never gotten with a girl who weighed more than 115... well, not sober anyways.
5ft10 and 115 lbs is 10 lbs lighter than an already thin model at that height. Essentially, a stick figure. I stand by what I said - it is abnormal, unhealthy and unattractive in most cases.

To be fair, I've never gotten with a girl who weighed more than 115... well, not sober anyways.
*High fives*

5ft10 and 115 lbs is 10 lbs lighter than an already thin model at that height. Essentially, a stick figure. I stand by what I said - it is abnormal, unhealthy and unattractive in most cases.

If you say so. They look healthy to me, even though they often do have eating problems. You have to realize these girls are also 16-18.

Ohh, and I havn't actually dated a girl 5'10. 5'7 is probably the tallest, or shorter.

ARRGGGHHH

I am SO tired of people putting skinny girls down.
I am really skinny and I am naturally that way.
I am not anorexic, I eat a healthy amount of food, &c.
And YES, I wear a freaking 00 size pair of jeans.
Don't you guys like, care about the feelings
of the poor skinny people in the world?
Do you know how hard it is to find a nice pair of 00 jeans?
Do you all want us to just disappear?

Plenty of people have told me that I'm gorgeous.
And if you are wondering... I'm 5'4" and 92 lbs.
I'm only like, 16, so I guess I still have a ways to go.

And thank you, Floydistan.

You're... tired of normal and overweight people opressing skinny people? Hah! That's a good one. :D

This was a joke post, right? I HOPE it was. If it wasn't, that's probally the most ironic statement I've heard in quite some time. :rolleyes:

ARRGGGHHH

I am SO tired of people putting skinny girls down.
I am really skinny and I am naturally that way.
I am not anorexic, I eat a healthy amount of food, &c.
And YES, I wear a freaking 00 size pair of jeans.
Don't you guys like, care about the feelings
of the poor skinny people in the world?
Do you know how hard it is to find a nice pair of 00 jeans?
Do you all want us to just disappear?

Plenty of people have told me that I'm gorgeous.
And if you are wondering... I'm 5'4" and 92 lbs.
I'm only like, 16, so I guess I still have a ways to go.

And thank you, Floydistan.

It's not putting naturally skinny girls down. It's raging against the unfair ideals that society puts on fat girls. I will never, EVER be a size 00. EVER. Do you know how hard it is to find a size 12 or 14 that doesn't make my ass look like a blimp? Do you realize that, statistically, you have a higher chance of making more money with less education than a fat girl does? If you became a model or an actress, which you could, easily, with your body type, you wouldn't need any kind of degree to make millions more than I could.

The media favors you, not me. I think it's great that you're thin, I envy you, I wish I was thin like that. What I don't think is great is how I have to feel like a freak because I'm NOT a 00.

Poor models lol.

And while we're on the topic, I don't think I'd go for a guy who was shorter than me. I think I'm safe though coz I'm only 5'4" haha.

Um... Linthiopia... I am not joking. And how is it ironic?

If you say so. They look healthy to me, even though they often do have eating problems. You have to realize these girls are also 16-18.
That changes things - girls are lighter than women, so it probably isn't too abnormal to look upon. For a woman though it would be rather hideous.

Oh... you don't want to be skinny...

There are all these people that hate you, and then it is impossible to find clothes that fit.

If you became a model or an actress, which you could, easily, with your body type, you wouldn't need any kind of degree to make millions more than I could.
Unless she adds another 6 inches or so to her height and is really attractive, I don't see that happening.

Another thing; even amongst those models who are naturally thin, it isn't just a matter of parading down an aisle. They need to constantly work out to be in shape, practise their strutting, work many hours in a day, travel very frequently and always look their best. Modelling is very exacting - one of my cousins was one. Most people underestimate the amount of work involved. So it isn't as if they don't work for their money. Only the creme de la creme make millions; common models will be lucky if they reach thousands.

Yeah, haha, I am way too short to be a model. :)

I read somewhere that being really tall is kind of intimidating to guys, so I like being short.

And not meaning to be, er, cocky, but I think I am pretty enough to be a model. Have you seen America's Top Model? Not many of them are actually dazzlingly gorgeous. They're pretty, but not stunning.

It's not putting naturally skinny girls down. It's raging against the unfair ideals that society puts on fat girls. I will never, EVER be a size 00. EVER. Do you know how hard it is to find a size 12 or 14 that doesn't make my ass look like a blimp? Do you realize that, statistically, you have a higher chance of making more money with less education than a fat girl does? If you became a model or an actress, which you could, easily, with your body type, you wouldn't need any kind of degree to make millions more than I could.

The media favors you, not me. I think it's great that you're thin, I envy you, I wish I was thin like that. What I don't think is great is how I have to feel like a freak because I'm NOT a 00.

You cant settle for being an 04, 06, 08? Come on... I went from 200 to 170 in three months. No extra exercise, etc. I just ate less.

I'm now 160 and still going down. I don't feel bad for fat people, because anyone can lose weight. It will be harder for some than others, but you can do it. If you choose not to, don't complain about the skinny girls.

Yeah, haha, I am way too short to be a model. :)

I read somewhere that being really tall is kind of intimidating to guys, so I like being short.
Being really tall probably is. 5ft10 isn't really tall though. ;)

And not meaning to be, er, cocky, but I think I am pretty enough to be a model. Have you seen America's Top Model? Not many of them are actually dazzlingly gorgeous. They're pretty, but not stunning.
This is usually because conventional beauty is not what they seek; ANTM is more about exotic looking models, who may not be beautiful in a classical, Brooke Shields sense.

I want to put on a tad bit more weight, but all the hamburgers and ice creams go straight to my pudgy tummy! I'm considering doing a little bit of working out instead, might be healthier. :p

Oh no, I don't mean like that... I'm Indian, so I think I'd qualify as "exotic."
I think the models on Project Runway are prettier.

Oh... you don't want to be skinny...

There are all these people that hate you, and then it is impossible to find clothes that fit.

A few pages ago, we had someone call fat people "repulsive". And do you think it's any easier to find clothes for a fat girl? It's really, really not.

I want to put on a tad bit more weight, but all the hamburgers and ice creams go straight to my pudgy tummy! I'm considering doing a little bit of working out instead, might be healthier. :p
Good idea.

Oh no, I don't mean like that... I'm Indian, so I think I'd qualify as "exotic."
I think the models on Project Runway are prettier.
Exotic might've been the wrong word; unconventional is more appropriate. Fashion ultimately is art, as well as a form of advertising, and therefore unusual forms of this art are usually praised as creative. Innovation is paramount in the industry, and models are not exempt to this rule.

I'm sure it is hard to find such clothes.

Repulsive??? That's just wrong.

You cant settle for being an 04, 06, 08? Come on... I went from 200 to 170 in three months. No extra exercise, etc. I just ate less.

I'm now 160 and still going down. I don't feel bad for fat people, because anyone can lose weight. It will be harder for some than others, but you can do it. If you choose not to, don't complain about the skinny girls.

Why can't I settle for being whatever weight that I am? Why do I have to lose weight to meet some society ideal? Listen, I want to make myself very clear:

I don't care if you're skinny. If you're skinny, that's great, good for you.

What I DO care about is the fact that I'm not allowed to be okay with being a 12 or 14. Why should I HAVE to lose weight? Why shouldn't they have to gain? I think we should all be a little more accepting to any body type.

Poor models lol.

And while we're on the topic, I don't think I'd go for a guy who was shorter than me. I think I'm safe though coz I'm only 5'4" haha.

Um... Linthiopia... I am not joking. And how is it ironic?

It's like Newer Nutopia said. I'm a fairly normal-sized guy myself, but all of my love interests have been fairly large... That's what I'm attracted to. And, like she said, society is absolutely brutal to girls that are not as thin as our ignorant popular society expects them to be. An ex of mine was about 6'0" and 160-170, and she was harrased to the point of having rather serious self-esteem issues. I was astounded to learn this.

To put it as simply as I can, it's just easier to be accepted as a skinny/anorexic woman than a normal/large one. A lot easier. Not just in the eyes of a handful of people. In the eyes of society as a whole.

And so, it strikes me as slightly amusing that you are complaining about something that many people would consider a wonderful blessing.
The irony comes from the fact that you complain of "putting skinny girls down" when 99.99% of all weight-related put-downs that I have seen have been directed at over-weight girls.

It's like Newer Nutopia said. I'm a fairly normal-sized guy myself, but all of my love interests have been fairly large... That's what I'm attracted to. And, like she said, society is absolutely brutal to girls that are not as thin as our ignorant popular society expects them to be. An ex of mine was about 6'0" and 160-170, and she was harrased to the point of having rather serious self-esteem issues. I was astounded to learn this.

To put it as simply as I can, it's just easier to be accepted as a skinny/anorexic woman than a normal/large one. A lot easier. Not just in the eyes of a handful of people. In the eyes of society as a whole.

And so, it strikes me as slightly amusing that you are complaining about something that many people would consider a wonderful blessing.
The irony comes from the fact that you complain of "putting skinny girls down" when 99.99% of all weight-related put-downs that I have seen have been directed at over-weight girls.

EXACTLY. Thank you.

What I DO care about is the fact that I'm not allowed to be okay with being a 12 or 14. Why should I HAVE to lose weight? Why shouldn't they have to gain? I think we should all be a little more accepting to any body type.
As long as health reasons aren't involved and as long as you're happy with your body, then I see no reason to change. Personally, I would prefer it if most people, men and women both, were athletic and tall statured. However, coercing people into fitting into a certain image of beauty not necessarily held by all of society is plain wrong.

Nope, rail thin is hideous.


Then again, I don't like fatties either...
Hm...balance is nice.
I assumed that "reasonably thin" meant within the healthy range, so I voted for that.
I didn't make that assumption, so I said other. I like plenty to grope.
Why does any woman think that? No, ribcage thin isn't sexy, men like curvy women. I think that a lot of fat girls (not obese) are sexy too.
Mmmmmm, curves....*drools*
Good proportions are important, and I prefer larger women.
What about larger men? Still speaking in proportions, mind you.:p
Ach. It's a double standard. Men like to say they want one thing, and then, in practice, choose another. At least, in my experience.

I think I'm jaded, though. Maybe I've been the victim of "I don't want her, you can have her, she's too fat for me" too many times. I live in an area where there are a lot of really, really skinny girls, and I'm a size 12, so, in comparison, a cow.
Ha! Women have the same double standards. And I never say I want something I don't. I'm terrified I might get it....
Methinks this thread needs pictures for comparison purposes.
I wish that had worked out better...it usually does, but not this time.....
Most men that I talk to about it say that it may start with a physical attraction, but in the end it's the personality that they're most attracted to, which generally turns out to be false.

Case in point: I asked my ex-boyfriend if he would still love me if I was hideously deformed, and, of course, he said yes. But when I got cancer, and lost all my hair and had seven major surgeries, he dropped me like a bag of bricks.
He's one case. Frankly, I don't even make it a habit to look at people, let alone care overmuch what they look like....though I'm sure that'll change when I finally meet my gf...she insists she'll make me look at her.:p
yeah, they grossed me out too, but I thought maybe I was being biased....

she (http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1073437519094_2004/01/10/11n_bridie,0.jpg) is healthy looking I think, but there will be some guys who say "no way she is fat" :rollleyes:
Biased or not, I like that one. She's pretty good looking. I'm just curious about what's in the head, though. It takes a special sort to satisfy those needs.
Anyone who says that is 'fat' has watched far too much porn to know what a real, natural woman looks like.
I concur.
*shudders* this is where are tastes differ greatly... those pictures (plus the link on msn) make me feel ill.... :P
Yes, mine as well. I'm going to assume you're using the links in your sig to refute that and point out how sexy you are.:-p
She isn't fat. She does go out at the belly, but that's more a question of shape than weight, surely?
Meh. It really doesn't matter.
It depends on the woman.

Some women have bone structure that really rewards gauntness. Others look a lot better with significant bulk.
Quite true.
That's about what I look like. Maybe a little more right around the hips, but that's about right. Way too fat for the men around where I live.
Mm, if I weren't already taken, I'd suggest you move in next door to me.:-p
can't explain attractedness, dont worry :flufffle:
and it's not that she's unrealistic... it's just she creeps me out and just... makes me feel ill... uh... I cant explain unattractedness either :-p
I just don't find it attractive...irritating, but not attractive.
What about her? (http://www.buzzle.com/img/articleImages/4185-36.jpg)
No.
That's Kiera Knightly, the actress from Pirates of The Carribean.
So?
*shrug* Just 'cause she's famous doesn't mean she's pretty.
Exactly. I don't think she is very much. Kinda depends on how much clothing she has on.:p
Fair enough. I think that might just be a bad picture of her; I think she's quite pretty. In all honestly, I wish I could be thin like that.
:eek: NO! Just be happy with yourself. You'll be doing yourself a favor.
meh, if you look like that, you are fine, any guy who doesn't think so is an ass. ;-)

women have curves, men need to get used to it.

(yes, curves in addition to the breasts, you know hips, butts, little bit of pudge under the belly button.....)
No, I'm an ass and I find her quite attractive, physically speaking.:p
:eeek: You're crazy.
No, I'm crazy, too, and I disagree....
She has a nice body...
Not really.
I know, we all want to be what we aren't.
I don't. I rather like what I am.
as guys age they get more intelligent when it comes to choosing dates (or most of them do), pretty soon the prevailing wisdom among guys your age will be that they need a girl who is healthy and happy with herself, not one that looks like a porn star.
I wish porn stars looked like that...*sigh*...then I might have a reason to watch it.:p It's all in the brains, though. That's what I like.
Come on. In today's society, thin-ness is praised more than ever. A woman would have to be really, really, really, really, REALLY secure with herself to never EVER wish she was thinner. Or, you know, already be really thin.

Every woman occasionally pokes her belly or thigh in the mirror and sighs because she isn't thin enough, or muscular enough, or her breasts aren't big enough, or her butt is too flat, or too big, or she's got love-handles, or she can't fit into those pair of jeans anymore. It's the nature of the beast; if that wasn't the way women were, then companies like Jenny Craig and Nutrisystem and LA Fitness and stuff would go out of business.
It's disgusting. I hate society and its misguided notions. Never let yourself think society has anything of value to say. Find your own truths on your own terms.
true. at my most cynical i'd say its all an artificial industry made to fulfil wants and needs placed there by said industry over years of marketing and psychological tricks in advertising. kinda evil really.
but also, its not just women who do that. i'm a guy and i'm sick of how i look, personally, and have been for years.


anyway, one more picture (cos i was busy "researching" pics *cough* :p)... healthy (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7967/fashion2020swim20bikini20shows20miami2001kq3.jpg)?
I don't like your pictures, and there's nothing wrong with the way you look.[/slightly biased] Oh, and yes, it is an evil industry...
Actually... she has my body (Except she has tits. :eek:)... and I look like a normal person, not a Holocaust survivor. And I'm strong enough to stand up to most people...
Yeah....it's the penis that's the real turn off when I think of her, though...:p
Yeah, exactly. It's the tits that make the difference, not the actual body size.

Me = Confused and disheartened, with a modest chest-size.
I'll take a confused and disheartened you over a healthy skeleton with salene bags....so long as you have the right stuff in the head, that is.
Especially among women, like myself, who are actually, physically built to be larger women. You can't move your bones. Heredity also plays a part; I come from a family of overweight women. Tradition: we celebrate around the dinner table, and from when I was a little girl, we were always told to clean our plates, even if we were full.
Yeah, my family is like that.

Look, maybe that's not even the point. Maybe the point is that I can't stay on a diet to save my life, because I have no self-control, and therefore will be completely unable to attain that perfect body-type that I want. That's what it really comes down to. And when you see other women who are thin and happy and in relationships, when you feel fat, and unhappy, and alone, it just reenforces the idea that you are sub-ideal, and the reason you're sub-ideal is because you are defective.

So the real root of the matter is that we make ourselves feel unpretty, I guess.
No, you aren't defective. You're disgustingly self-loathing. Don't worry about your body so much. Just try to keep it healthy. That's all that matters. After that, leave it to your personality. That should always be the focus.
My sisters are all thin like LNI, actually. I'm the fat sister. :P
Which, I'd like to point out, really doesn't matter. You are who you are, and they are who they are. Your weight is immaterial...well, given good health, that is.
"Repulsive"? Jesus, no wonder some women resort to anorexia and bulimia. We just want to be loved, and not looked at like we're maggots.
That's the trick of it. But then you can't take things too personally. Most people in society, especially at your age, don't do things personally. It's just what society tells them to do.
of course, and i know you weren't saying anything negative about men there. i was just poining out that throughout this thread (and this general debate) its always only women who are said to be suffering from this 'perfect body' ideal crap. women quite probably are more directly targeted and possibly 'suffer' more than men in general, but that kind of pressure to achieve an ideal look/size/weight is certainly felt by a lot of my gender too. that was my point.

but on that point i'd like to agree... but i'm not sure. in theory i don't know any guy who would be into a girl but change their mind if she's a bit fat. but, most guys (generally speaking) get 'into' a girl (forgive the pun :-p) on the basis of looks first.
i met my girlfriend (now of 7 months) online and didn't know what she looked like for quite a while. i suppose it could have been a deal-breaker had she turned out to be too fat for me (as it is she's very much sexy :-D a little belly, yes, but its ok and she's just... sexy :flufffle: :coool: )
i'm not sure what my point is here... i guess i just may not be 'grown up' enough about this to subscribe to your POV there. but i'd wager most guys aren't either, but, as i said, get interested in a girl first on the basis of looks. i could be talking complete bollocks though (its late here! :-p)
The pressure for men is just as great, but it's taboo to even talk about it. It's just not "manly." It's considered too feminine for seeming so whiney. And it's usually much more...compact. We're conditioned for it to be easy. Other males gang up and immediately start questioning masculinity...*blahblahblah* Well, that's pretty much it for that...

Yes, I'm afraid you're right for the latter. I try to keep looks out of the equation as much as I can, but that isn't entirely possible. It really makes it so much easier online. Especially if you become so attached first.
I have to wonder; Do you men realize how much effort we put into looking attractive for you? I mean, yes, part of it is wanting to look good for oneself, but it's a natural part of nature to want to look good for ones mate. It just doesn't seem that the males of our beloved planet put as much time into it as women do.

So, it's a double-edged sword: You can be naturally thin, but too thin. You can be naturally fat, and repulsive. You can diet and exercise, but that's neurotic and obsessive about your weight. You're confident and happy with the way you look, but you're still either repulsive, or a skeleton.

Ahhh! The pressure!
The natural woman is much more attractive. That is to say, a woman who is comfortable with her physical self to the point that she disregards "effort" for looking attractive. Men are too varied to try to please them that way. The sort of man you really want is one who's going to find you attractive, no matter what you're doing. You could have grass clippings clinging to your sweaty skin after mowing the lawn, and he'd not hesitate for a moment to embrace you and kiss you hello. [/hopeless romantic]
I hate to go all disgruntled teenager, but a man just can't know the pressure that a woman feels to be thin. In our society thin = beautiful, and so if you're not thin, you're not beautiful. Simple as that.

The argument shouldn't be about what methods women resort to in order to achieve "perfection", but rather the driving force behind it. Our Health classes teach us that we should be happy with our body type, and avoid eating disorders, but the conflicting messages of the media make us feel confused.
Wrong. We have our own pressures. To be "macho." To be muscular. Not to mention height. Or other sizes, for that matter. To be the tough guy. To feel no emotions. And show even less. To take society's criticism and accept its physical standards without question. No, no pressure for us guys at all.:rolleyes:

Still you don't get the idea that perfection is within the self, not what contains the self.
Yeah, same here. I got cancer, though, actually. They put me on steroids for a year, and I gained forty pounds, even though I was hucking up my guts every day. I was too weak to walk, let alone exercise, so I'm still trying to take the weight off. So far, I've lost 30 of the 40 pounds. But being scarred and fat really makes you feel unwanted, even if it isn't your fault.
Odd...you haven't really sounded fat to me in your estimation of your appearance. And scars...well, they're nothing. Anyone who bases a judgement of you on that doesn't deserve your company anyway.
Agreed; I hate make-up, I don't wear any.
Good. It isn't essential by any means.
Not if the result appears to be natural. Any good plastic surgeon will ensure this is the case. I am rather fed up of this bias against cosmetic alterations.

It isn't much less natural, at any rate, than hair dyes or make up, except that it is more permanent (and even less harmful in some cases).

What I suggest is you find a man who loves you for yourself, and who is attracted to your body type. Cosmetic surgery is deeply personal, and therefore should be reserved only if you yourself do not like who you are.
No, it should be reserved for those who don't like what they are. But that doesn't change that it's still shallow and pathetic.
But shouldn't the goal be to like yourself the way you are? I mean, isn't that the purpose? So that there is some diversity? Sure, it'd be sweet if we could all look like Carmen Elektra, but...jeez.
No, that would be dreadful.
I can't imagine how that could possibly be considered fat
Beats me.
Trust me. She's got a little on her arms, and her stomach isn't concave, and you can tell that she's got a bit on her hips and thighs, and her butt doesn't look all that small.
So? That doesn't mean she can't still be attractive.
That's pretty young. Way too young to be making judgements and too young to be "jaded".

At that age what do you need to be in a relationship for? I'm 20 and have never had a real one. It's because at my age most girls seem to want older guys and I don't want to go out with younger girls than me. Also in teen years girls tastes seem to be very predictable and homogenous.
Ha! That's old enough to have an idea of what's going on. That's when the indoctrination is strongest, IMO. And it's important to keep in mind that though many might have the same tastes, not all do. People are individuals, not collectives.
The reason that girls my age date up is because we mature mentally faster than boys our age, and therefore, desire a more mature relationship, sooner. And you're only three years older than me, it's not as though you, having now branched one year out of teen-hood and now into adult-hood, are able to make judgements back upon me. You're not even old enough to drink, for the love of G-d.
Generalizations abound...I've never been interested in anything but a mature relationship. Yes, I really do have a penis. Explain the apparent paradox you seem to present. And drinking age has nothing to do with anything other than different bad judgements. Lets handle just this one for now.
Predictable and homogenous how? You can't group an entire age-group like that; preferences are vastly different among different people, regardless their age.
But you can do it for gender? My, what a fine hypocrite you make.
And I am old enough to make my opinion, and definitely old enough to feel jaded. Everybody tells me that since I had cancer, I was forced to grow up faster. If I'm old enough to have had experience with death, I'm certainly old enough to make decisions about how I feel on my own relationships. Please, don't belittle me because of my age.
No, it's because you are your own person that you should be allowed to develop your own opinions, even if stating shaky fallacies is your best start. Never forget that everyone is entitled to be a person of thought. Not just those who have had some misfortune. It doesn't grant you more humanity than anyone else by default.
What I mean is that it's a generalization, and generalizations are often false.
Then consider your own words more carefully.
No, I wouldn't go that far; I go to school with 1200 of them everyday. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not one of them, and neither are many of my friends. Therefore, choosing to judge me based on that generalization would be ridiculous, since it doesn't apply to me. If you're going to judge me, at least judge me based on my actual characteristics, not the characteristics of those in my age classification.

It'd be like saying that I don't care about anything but money, because I'm Jewish. Not all Jews are greedy, though some are. Or that I'm dumb, because I'm blonde. I'm not blonde, but you get the idea.

Again, the gender thing. You don't like overgeneralization based on age, but your own overgeneralizations of gender really get to me. I don't like being classed with the rest of "masculine" society. My tastes and thoughts are quite different and usually with different reasons.

Blue, im sorry if i didnt clarify, but we arent attacking the naturally thin people.
We are attacking the people who are so thin that when you look at them you are like ":eek: OH SH*T DONT EAT MY BRAINS!" (zombies people, zombies!),
or the question in your mind is "Whoah, did I get warped back to Germany during WWII or what?"
And the thing about modeling-
You need pretty much 0 intelligence. If you look great, your set for a lot more money than someone who is say, working hard in the office or somewhere else, someone who actually paid attention in school and got a diploma, and worked hard to try and get a good paying job but is struggling to make ends meet because of the way the economy is set up.
According to me, heres how much each group is paid, from greatest to least-
1. Big Corporations (Microsoft, Starschmucks)
2. Not-so-hard working models/stars/music people
3. Pro Sports (this is ok because these people are working hard too)
4. Doctors and other assorted really smart people
5. The average college graduate trying to make a living
6. Someone who graduated high-school and never thought about college
7. uM wAtZ u Edjikayshun? (work at McDonalds. its a shame.)
8. Teachers (need to be paid more. Much more important to our country than the entertainment folk)

Thin is attractive, but only if the girl doesn't have to sacrifice her health to achive it.

I've been attracted to many girls that most guys would have considered 'fat'. They took good care of themselves, but their bodies were not built to be as thin as society said they should be.

'a glow of health' (probably the best way I've heard it put) is the most physically attractive feature a woman can possess, in my opinion.

Why can't I settle for being whatever weight that I am? Why do I have to lose weight to meet some society ideal? Listen, I want to make myself very clear:

I don't care if you're skinny. If you're skinny, that's great, good for you.

What I DO care about is the fact that I'm not allowed to be okay with being a 12 or 14. Why should I HAVE to lose weight? Why shouldn't they have to gain? I think we should all be a little more accepting to any body type.

no one can tell you that you arnt allowed to be happy with your self. you only have to lose weight if you want to. they dont have to gain weight if they dont want to( some of us my self inclued, have to eat a whole lot to maintan a healthy weight, or people are built thin). if you want to be accepting accept your self for who you are and realize that the media is always going to push being thin, its called peer pressur, you just need to learn to stand up to it.

for me the pressur is to be thinner than i aready am and to dress like a slut or wear clothes that show every bit of skin, along with that goes the pressur to party and have sex a a load of other junk... every one is under some pressuer of some kind you just have to get a spine and stand up to it.

No, it should be reserved for those who don't like what they are. But that doesn't change that it's still shallow and pathetic.

Shallow, perhaps. Pathetic? I disagree. It is a decision that takes enormous strength to make.

Wow, I talk a lot.

Yes, fair enough, I made my own generalizations. I apologize. I realize that not all men are assholes, just the ones I dated.

And as for all the other stuff, thank you. It's nice to hear things like that.

Wow, I talk a lot.
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I am SO tired of people putting skinny girls down.
I am really skinny and I am naturally that way.
I am not anorexic, I eat a healthy amount of food, &c.
And YES, I wear a freaking 00 size pair of jeans.
Don't you guys like, care about the feelings
of the poor skinny people in the world?
Do you know how hard it is to find a nice pair of 00 jeans?
Do you all want us to just disappear?

Plenty of people have told me that I'm gorgeous.
And if you are wondering... I'm 5'4" and 92 lbs.
I'm only like, 16, so I guess I still have a ways to go.

And thank you, Floydistan.

You're... tired of normal and overweight people opressing skinny people? Hah! That's a good one. :D

This was a joke post, right? I HOPE it was. If it wasn't, that's probally the most ironic statement I've heard in quite some time. :rolleyes:
No, it happens. It's a problem as well, just not as much as extra weight.
It's not putting naturally skinny girls down. It's raging against the unfair ideals that society puts on fat girls. I will never, EVER be a size 00. EVER. Do you know how hard it is to find a size 12 or 14 that doesn't make my ass look like a blimp? Do you realize that, statistically, you have a higher chance of making more money with less education than a fat girl does? If you became a model or an actress, which you could, easily, with your body type, you wouldn't need any kind of degree to make millions more than I could.

The media favors you, not me. I think it's great that you're thin, I envy you, I wish I was thin like that. What I don't think is great is how I have to feel like a freak because I'm NOT a 00.
Did you ever think that guys might like to see your ass?;)
Oh... you don't want to be skinny...

There are all these people that hate you, and then it is impossible to find clothes that fit.
People find all sorts of reasons to hate. That's a small, petty one.
Why can't I settle for being whatever weight that I am? Why do I have to lose weight to meet some society ideal? Listen, I want to make myself very clear:

I don't care if you're skinny. If you're skinny, that's great, good for you.

What I DO care about is the fact that I'm not allowed to be okay with being a 12 or 14. Why should I HAVE to lose weight? Why shouldn't they have to gain? I think we should all be a little more accepting to any body type.
You don't have to. And you shouldn't.
no one can tell you that you arnt allowed to be happy with your self. you only have to lose weight if you want to. they dont have to gain weight if they dont want to( some of us my self inclued, have to eat a whole lot to maintan a healthy weight, or people are built thin). if you want to be accepting accept your self for who you are and realize that the media is always going to push being thin, its called peer pressur, you just need to learn to stand up to it.

for me the pressur is to be thinner than i aready am and to dress like a slut or wear clothes that show every bit of skin, along with that goes the pressur to party and have sex a a load of other junk... every one is under some pressuer of some kind you just have to get a spine and stand up to it.
Exactly....Though sex can be a great way to burn calories.;)
Shallow, perhaps. Pathetic? I disagree. It is a decision that takes enormous strength to make.

Shallowness is pathetic. I think the decision takes incredible weakness and low respect for oneself. It places too much value on the vessel instead of the contents. Though most vessels seem devoid of much in the way of contents anyway.

My GF is a heavyset woman, and I'll admit that if I had met her in highschool, I probably wouldn't have given her a second look. I met her at a single's square dance, she started asking me to dance, and after awhile, I started asking her.

I had never been attracted to heavy women, but I am to her. It wasn't love at first sight, it just happened over time.

Just because you've encountered shallow people in the past, doesn't mean you won't find someone who doesn't care if you're not skinny as a twig.

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Wow, I talk a lot.

Yes, fair enough, I made my own generalizations. I apologize. I realize that not all men are assholes, just the ones I dated.

And as for all the other stuff, thank you. It's nice to hear things like that.
Good. 'Cause you certainly haven't dated me yet.;):p

That's what I do: profess the truth. Usually people find it comforting compared to their own delusions. And I've quite gotten used to my girlfriend telling me I'm right all the time.:D
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Hey, I was posting on-topic that time.:D:p

Shallowness is pathetic. I think the decision takes incredible weakness and low respect for oneself. It places too much value on the vessel instead of the contents. Though most vessels seem devoid of much in the way of contents anyway.
I like placing importance on both my "vessel" and my contents. I fail to see why doing so is wrong, or pathetic.

Exactly....Though sex can be a great way to burn calories.;)

except for the fact that i dont have a reason to try and burn the few extra calories that i have :)
there is a reason that i snack all day long in addition to breakfast lunch and dinner;)
* glares at matabolism*

Healthy. Healthy for their natural weight. Everything in proportion is best, in my humble opinion, but weight (
Oh, shit, here comes a digression!

Why do we talk about "weight", anyway? What's a healthy weight for a 5'1" cheerleader is not a healty weight for a 5'8" woman. To speak of BMIs is more appropriate, but even that doesn't really capture the full spirit of what we mean. I know some guys who are "overweight" according to their BMIs, but they're cops and football players and can outrun, outlift, and just possibly outfight me, whose BMI says: Normal. Oh, the oddities of the English language and of science...

)

is really not the deciding factor. You can be violently unattractively heavy, but that's a ways out there. You can also be violently unattractive while being thin, normal-thin, normal-thick, and anywhere in between.

Pretty is about face and proportions and self-confidence and sexy is an attitude, not a dress size.

Why can't I settle for being whatever weight that I am? Why do I have to lose weight to meet some society ideal? Listen, I want to make myself very clear:

I don't care if you're skinny. If you're skinny, that's great, good for you.

What I DO care about is the fact that I'm not allowed to be okay with being a 12 or 14. Why should I HAVE to lose weight? Why shouldn't they have to gain? I think we should all be a little more accepting to any body type.

Because most people don't find non-skinny people attractive. Most who say personality are lying, or underestimating looks in a relationship.

Sorry we don't like to look at your kind.

Because most people don't find non-skinny people attractive. Most who say personality are lying, or underestimating looks in a relationship.

Sorry we don't like to look at your kind.

I'll have you know that I'm a very pretty woman, despite being a size 12. And Fascist Dominion likes to look at "my kind", and so do plenty of others. So, pipe down.

Looks only catch the eye. If you take the time to get to know anyone, you can discovered what great people they are.

I'll have you know that I'm a very pretty woman, despite being a size 12. And Fascist Dominion likes to look at "my kind", and so do plenty of others. So, pipe down.

NSG is hardly a place to look for the norm.

And you can find people attracted to almost anything. Doesn't make the goth look something the majority of people like, or stinky girls, or transvestites... the list goes on.

I'm just saying, don't complain about the benefits of being thin. You can be thin too if you want. If you won't bring yourself better oppertunities, where do you have a valid argument?

Looks only catch the eye. If you take the time to get to know anyone, you can discovered what great people they are.

Yeah. -high five-

NSG is hardly a place to look for the norm.

And you can find people attracted to almost anything. Doesn't make the goth look something the majority of people like, or stinky girls, or transvestites... the list goes on.

I'm just saying, don't complain about the benefits of being thin. You can be thin too if you want. If you won't bring yourself better oppertunities, where do you have a valid argument?

So liking skinny girls is normal, but liking bigger girls is a fetish?

Hardly. It's just another one of society's jerk-arounds. I'm complaining the benefits of being thin because I shouldn't HAVE to be thin. I should get the same treatment as a 12 that I would get as a 3. We're all people, here.

If dating folks who think like you is what I have to look forward to as a skinny girl, I'll just kick it right where I am, thanks.

Because most people don't find non-skinny people attractive. Most who say personality are lying, or underestimating looks in a relationship.

Sorry we don't like to look at your kind.

This isn't just repugnant; it's contemptible. I'm sorry, but I don't like to read what your kind has to say. Because most people don't find judgemental people attractive.

This isn't just repugnant; it's contemptible. I'm sorry, but I don't like to read what your kind has to say. Because most people don't find judgemental people attractive.

Agreed.

This isn't just repugnant; it's contemptible. I'm sorry, but I don't like to read what your kind has to say. Because most people don't find judgemental people attractive.

Ditto.

I cant speak for everywhere and everyone, but where I am, America, most women think its sexy to be so thin you can see their ribcage.
I believe, as do many of my friends, that this is a mistake on their part.
I like women to be thin, but not so much as they have no meat on them.

some women can make fat sexy.
some women can make thin sexy.


I do preferre those that don't show their ribcage, or are afraid to walk on grating for fear of falling in.

Worst poll choices ever.

Worst poll choices ever.

Yeah, they could have been better. I voted for pie because nothing up there was really right to my mind.

I wouldn't say I prefer "thin", but more "slight", ie smallish, shortish and not too much fat anywhere (enough so that there are no bones obvious).

And large breasts scare me. I don't care what mother nature or your plastic surgeon might think, one shouldn't be packing too much weight in such an awkward, unbalanced and non-aerodynamic place.

I'd like a better range of options here. Maybe with pictures. For example, some girls are very muscular and powerful. Some girls are naturally very very lanky and thin but it's not like you can see all their bones or anything. Some women are on the upper level of their ideal BMI, but aren't overweight. Some girls have an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face.

Anyway, "fat, reasonably thin, or anorexic" doesn't cut it.

This isn't just repugnant; it's contemptible. I'm sorry, but I don't like to read what your kind has to say. Because most people don't find judgemental people attractive.

But I hide my judgmentalist nature. Much easier to hide, too.

So liking skinny girls is normal, but liking bigger girls is a fetish?

Hardly. It's just another one of society's jerk-arounds. I'm complaining the benefits of being thin because I shouldn't HAVE to be thin. I should get the same treatment as a 12 that I would get as a 3. We're all people, here.

If dating folks who think like you is what I have to look forward to as a skinny girl, I'll just kick it right where I am, thanks.

I wouldn't say a fetish so much... Just a much less widely held preference. Fetish has a bad connotation.

You dont have to be thin. But don't complain when you choose to be not thin. More people are attracted to skinny chicks, hence they are more economically profitable to use in advertising, pornography, and a number of other things.

Why should companies lose money, and the majority of people be less pleased, just to bring equality? Its like saying that anyone should be able to get any job, because we're all humans. No matter if you're good at it or not, whether you will bring more money in than your competitors.

Its not like you were born with a condition that can't be changed, and that doesn't affect job performance. Its not like you're being discriminated against because of personal feelings. Its quite simple. There is a smaller pool of people for you to date, because less find larger girls attractive than they do smaller girls.

As for things unrelated to looks, or that should be, you pretty much have a point there. However, I'm against forcing buisnesses to hire people in certain ways. A buisness should have the right to hire anyone it wants to, if they are willing.

But I hide my judgmentalist nature. Much easier to hide, too.

Then why reveal it here - seeing as its' somehow easier to conceal it?

Then why reveal it here - seeing as its' somehow easier to conceal it?

Because I don't exactly plan on having sex with anyone on this forum?

I wouldn't say I prefer "thin", but more "slight", ie smallish, shortish and not too much fat anywhere (enough so that there are no bones obvious).

And large breasts scare me. I don't care what mother nature or your plastic surgeon might think, one shouldn't be packing too much weight in such an awkward, unbalanced and non-aerodynamic place.yay! guys like you exist!


@Chellis: you really are incredible. In a shallow-narrow-judgemental-crude-opinonated-simple-adolescant sort of way.

yay! guys like you exist!


@Chellis: you really are incredible. In a shallow-narrow-judgemental-crude-opinonated-simple-adolescant sort of way.

I take this as a compliment.

Too thin is unattractive. However it is far more attractive than too fat IMO.

I take this as a compliment.
So you're in close touch with reality into the bargain. You sound like catch.

So you're in close touch with reality into the bargain. You sound like catch.

Im confused, but it sounds good.

I like just enough meat on a girl to fill out her face. I can handle a little bit of belly if the bones of her face aren't sticking out like some of these so called "Super-models".

This is an issue that is really close to my heart. I've suffered from an eating disorder for many years, and it's only recently that I've realised that women are meant to look like WOMEN. I've been rail thin, althletic thin, slightly overweight, "healthy" thin... but only now am I eating properly and embracing my body. By deciding that you want a woman to look like a supermodel or a thirteen-year-old boy, you're only adding fuel to the general female population's negative self image. Milan, New York, Melbourne, Madrid and Brisbane Fashion Weeks have all banned unhealthy "rail-thin" models. All models now need to have a BMI of over 18, with 18.5 being healthy. My BMI is 25, which is also technically healthy, and I'm in no way overweight. I'm just a real woman with real curves. Skinny does not equate to sexy.

Skinny does not equate to sexy.

Are you a lesbian/bi/a male? If so, then I'll respect your opinion about this. (Technically I feel the same way, but having someone who doesn't find women attractive define what makes a woman attractive just doesn't sit right with me.)

Are you a lesbian/bi/a male? If so, then I'll respect your opinion about this. (Technically I feel the same way, but having someone who doesn't find women attractive define what makes a woman attractive just doesn't sit right with me.)

I'm female. I'm not a lesbian. I like men, but, I still find the female body inescapably beautiful.

I'm female. I'm not a lesbian. I like men, but, I still find the female body inescapably beautiful.

I can respect that, but (At least in my mind) beauty does not equal attractiveness. But then again maybe I'm just strange. I think I'll just go to bed...

I can respect that, but (At least in my mind) beauty does not equal attractiveness. But then again maybe I'm just strange. I think I'll just go to bed...

How can beauty not equal attractiveness? Beauty is relative to the eye of the beholder, therefore the person who you find attractive, you will also find beautiful in some aspect. I think you should go to bed too.

How can beauty not equal attractiveness?Because for some of us there's a conceptual distinction between the two.
I've written some beautifull sourcecode, but I never felt attracted to it.. much.

Because for some of us there's a conceptual distinction between the two.
I've written some beautifull sourcecode, but I never felt attracted to it.. much.

http://www.m-w.com/

http://www.m-w.com/Wow a dictionary..
That doesn't precisely corresponds to individuals people conception of words, though. And it's only a snapshot of the predominant 'meaning' of a word anyway, descriptive, not normative. Hence why many words have half a dozen possible meanings listed.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=attraction
at‧trac‧tion  /əˈtrækʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-trak-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the act, power, or property of attracting.
2. attractive quality; magnetic charm; fascination; allurement; enticement: the subtle attraction of her strange personality.
3. a person or thing that draws, attracts, allures, or entices: The main attraction was the after-dinner speaker.
4. a characteristic or quality that provides pleasure; attractive feature: The chief attractions of the evening were the good drinks and witty conversation.
5. Physics. the electric or magnetic force that acts between oppositely charged bodies, tending to draw them together.
6. an entertainment offered to the public.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=beauty
beau‧ty  /ˈbyuti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[byoo-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the quality present in a thing or person that gives intense pleasure or deep satisfaction to the mind, whether arising from sensory manifestations (as shape, color, sound, etc.), a meaningful design or pattern, or something else (as a personality in which high spiritual qualities are manifest).
2. a beautiful person, esp. a woman.
3. a beautiful thing, as a work of art or a building.
4. Often, beauties. something that is beautiful in nature or in some natural or artificial environment.
5. an individually pleasing or beautiful quality; grace; charm: a vivid blue area that is the one real beauty of the painting.
6. Informal. a particular advantage: One of the beauties of this medicine is the freedom from aftereffects.
7. (usually used ironically) something extraordinary: My sunburn was a real beauty.
8. something excellent of its kind: My old car was a beauty.

Mix and match..

As far as physical attraction is concerned, the far more important issues is thus: make-up.

I hate make-up. Unless one is starring in a movie or on television, where such a thing is technically necessary, it should not be used. Any other application is just walking around looking like a clown. This goes quadruple for tattoos and piercings of any kind; outside of medical necessity, jabbing of the body with sharpened shards of metal makes my skin crawl.

And I especially hate this practice of shaping of the eyebrows via plucking. Sorry, but all I can see is:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Spock001.jpg
It's not "hot" or "sexy" or "good looking." One simply looks as if attending a Trek convention. So just stop it. You look silly.

After that, the next most important factor is personality/values/intelligence/etc. Being strongly introverted, my standards are most likely impossibly high. Extroverts annoy me, and other strong introverts probably aren't interested anyway. :D

(edit: as for the whole "fat" vs. "thin" thing, I can't really come up with precise definitions or standards for what is attractive, so I must resort to the same general definition used for pornography:

"I can't define attractive, but I know it when I see it." :D )

I hate make-up. Unless one is starring in a movie or on television, where such a thing is technically necessary, it should not be used. Any other application is just walking around looking like a clown.That depends entirely on how much is used, and how; and by whom. And for which occasion.
I'd readily agree many people use too much, and would look better, or at least less rediculous, without it. Subtlety is the key; make-up shouldn't call attention to itself.

This goes quadruple for tattoos and piercings of any kind; outside of medical necessity, jabbing of the body with sharpened shards of metal makes my skin crawl. Indeed.. Count me out for anything more permanent than magic marker..

Subtlety is the key; make-up shouldn't call attention to itself.


Perhaps. But then I have to wonder: if I didn't notice it, was it really necessary?

Perhaps. But then I have to wonder: if I didn't notice it, was it really necessary?

what if I don't wear it for you? ;)

I wear very little make-up, foundation to even my skin tone (when I need it, which isn't often) lipstick in a nuetral color, blush so I don't look washed out, and mascara.

Really thin is horrible it would be like hugging a bag of coat hangers. Im a bodybuilder and if I was to passionatly hug one of the size 0's (4 UK) Id probably kill them.

Kate Moss, Victoria Beckham and the others how can they say that to be that thin is healthy? Your bodies need to hold a certain amount of fat to survive and fight infections and disease. Too much fat and the needle swings the other way.

A nicely proportioned body is very sexy...plus I like boobs:D