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http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20349534-952,00.html


I am actually sorry to hear this news as I did enjoy his show quite a bit to be honest. He may have had one or two controversial issues but it does appear he loved his children very much


R.I.P Steve Irwin

sorry to burst your bubble, but there is already a thread about this.

Yeah i see that...I looked thru the 1st page only and it musta been on the second page. After I posted it and came back i saw it.


Then came the feeling of "damn...beat again"

*Raises a draft to Irwin*

Steve was a great man, and I the world itself shall miss him. His conservation work was astounding, and he was a truly great man. It is sad to see him go, and upsetting that he should die from a one in a million chance.

He died doing what he loved best but it's still sad. He was my idle, I got my bearded dragon because of him. :(

I couldn't believe - and still can't now - that Steve is actually gone. I loved his enthusiasm, and I absolutely thrived on it while I was growing up. He seemed to be the one guy in the world who shared my love for animals and wildlife, and I promised to myself that one day I'd go and meet him.

That chance has been taken away, and even though it was a childhood dream, it really does hurt.

I'm a nature-lover in my own right, and as I got older, my respect for the man just grew and grew as I learned of what he did for the environment. I've seen the video biography that he himself, his father, his mother, and his wife made. Tears came to my eyes during multiple points as - during his captivating explanations and recreations of exciting croc captures - I remembered that he was no longer with us.

The unknown mourner who wrote, "Steve, from all God's creatures, thank you.", nearly brought me to tears again. Everyone across the planet - fan or not - knew of Steve's love for the natural world. And, as a loyal fan, I bow my head to pay respect to him and his mission: in his own words, "Conservation: It's my job, my life, my passion."

Let's not let his message be forgotten, eh? Whoever happens to read through this thread, just...I don't really know. Just try to help out the creatures that can't help themselves in our quickly expanding world. Be you in Australia, America, Canada, the United Kingdom, China, India, or anywhere at all in the world, try to do your own part. Keep our world green, and Steve'll certainly be smiling from above.

sorry to burst your bubble, but there is already a thread about this.

Say what? :confused:

People who are comparing him to the Jackass guys disgust me. They're just doing idiotic things for no reason, whereas Steve was doing things to help nature and raise awareness for it. Anybody who disagrees that this is a worthy goal is utterly and completely wrong.

*raises his beer to Steve Iwrin*

I mean remember when we were all kids and teenagers and we used to watch that guy do the most absurd things with dangerous animals?


Yeah, and his name was Marlin Perkins.

I keep thinking about that One episode where Terri had her day in the spotlight.

Steve Irwin was in Terri's Element... NEW YORK CITY! :D

Of all the dangerous animals he pissed off over the years, he gets done in by a freakin stingray of all things. At least he went out doing the thing he loved most....

R.I.P, You crazy SOB.

Wow, this is like when you dream about something happening and then when it actually happens you feel terrible. Except not really.

Steve Irwin was a lot of things to many people. Actually he was just one thing to everybody, a huge jackwad. We will miss him almost as much as My Sweet Sixteen on MTV and Soundgarden. And now, let's go bowling.

Yeah, and his name was Marlin Perkins.

Ah no. Marlon Perkins just stood there in the cushy studio set while Jim Fowler was the one on the field risking his neck near all this wild animals.

And Jim Fowler never once did a Stuart impression with a wild animal and go "Look what I can do!" the way Irwin did on a regular basis.

I really cannot understand what you all find in this jerk. How old are you?

I really cannot understand what you all find in this jerk. How old are you?

Wow, this is like when you dream about something happening and then when it actually happens you feel terrible. Except not really.

Steve Irwin was a lot of things to many people. Actually he was just one thing to everybody, a huge jackwad. We will miss him almost as much as My Sweet Sixteen on MTV and Soundgarden. And now, let's go bowling.

What is wrong with you two? Can't you at least let the fans pay their respects to the man? It's clear to me that you two don't care in the slightest that he's gone, but I'm not seeking you out to complain to you. I'm just frustrated that you'd come into a forum in where you can openly say you hate him. Most of us are here to remember an idol, and you two just come to ruin it and rub our appreciation for Steve's contributions in our faces. So, please, just keep your dislike of The Crocodile Hunter to yourselves. We don't need it here. And maybe - just maybe - you could show some respect. He's left behind a widow and two young children, who'll have to grow up with no father. It's basic decency to at least be polite.

I really cannot understand what you all find in this jerk.

you could try reading, i hear that can help when dealing with written forms of communication

Maybe if you pretend Steve Irwin was brown and said "Allah Ackbar" instead of "Crikey" all of that "empathy" will magically disappear.

That's because if he died that way, he chose to blow himself up and hurt as many innocent bystanders as possible.

Steve died trying to make the world a better place.

What is wrong with you two? Can't you at least let the fans pay their respects to the man? It's clear to me that you two don't care in the slightest that he's gone, but I'm not seeking you out to complain to you. I'm just frustrated that you'd come into a forum in where you can openly say you hate him. Most of us are here to remember an idol, and you two just come to ruin it and rub our appreciation for Steve's contributions in our faces. So, please, just keep your dislike of The Crocodile Hunter to yourselves. We don't need it here. And maybe - just maybe - you could show some respect. He's left behind a widow and two young children, who'll have to grow up with no father. It's basic decency to at least be polite.

If the man wanted to be an attraction he should have worked for a circus. Instead he decided to waste kids by entertaining them with braindead shows on tv. He leaves behind a widow and two young children because he was an egomaniac idiot and he obviously wanted and thus deserved to die like this. Only stupid people could see an idol in this man.

If the man wanted to be an attraction he should have worked for a circus. Instead he decided to waste kids by entertaining them with braindead shows on tv. He leaves behind a widow and two young children because he was an egomaniac idiot and he obviously wanted and thus deserved to die like this. Only stupid people could see an idol in this man.

Sweetie isn't it past your bed time? You don't want the teenage angst to kick in.

If the man wanted to be an attraction he should have worked for a circus. Instead he decided to waste kids by entertaining them with braindead shows on tv. He leaves behind a widow and two young children because he was an egomaniac idiot and he obviously wanted and thus deserved to die like this. Only stupid people could see an idol in this man.
time for someone to go away and leave the thread.....They weren't braindead shows or they wouldn't have been on discovery and animal planet. Oh, and allow me to introduce a social practice seeing as you may be sheltered and don't interact with people. When some people die other people are what we call and sad and need to mourn. This is part of being human. You do not help the mourning process with your above post. Even more it is highly disrespectful, something people look down upon in society.

If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.

If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.

Indeed

If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.

i still think he deserves the darwin award.

i mean the guy leapt from moving vechiles onto charging wild boars in his plain clothes....(my favorite episode btw)

If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.

Apples and oranges.

The unknown guy is just that. Unknown.

Croc man at least brought a world to people who thought nothing of it.

Heck Crocs didn't mean anything to me. Now they are a littler more interesting.

If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.
er, he didn't really do anything stupid like pick it up and play with it. It was a freak accident that very rarely occurs. Thats like laughing your ass off at a car accident.

er, he didn't really do anything stupid like pick it up and play with it. It was a freak accident that very rarely occurs. Thats like laughing your ass off at a car accident.

Last person on record (in Australia) dying from a stingray was 18 years ago.

er, he didn't really do anything stupid like pick it up and play with it. It was a freak accident that very rarely occurs. Thats like laughing your ass off at a car accident.

if both drivers are on their cell phones (car accident)....then im laughing hysterically as we speak.

if both drivers are on their cell phones (car accident)....then im laughing hysterically as we speak.

ok.......What if they aren't. What if they are driving along and bam! Freak accident with good people dead way before they should have been. Are you still laughing?

If the man wanted to be an attraction he should have worked for a circus. Instead he decided to waste kids by entertaining them with braindead shows on tv. He leaves behind a widow and two young children because he was an egomaniac idiot and he obviously wanted and thus deserved to die like this. Only stupid people could see an idol in this man.

This is just your uninformed opinion, not even based on any kind of facts. Just because he was enthusiastic, energetic, and a bit excentric doesn't mean he "wanted to be an attraction." If you knew about them man you were attacking, you would know that he was passionate about conservation. What "he wanted" was to spread knowledge, awareness, and love of the natural world.
Pray tell, how exactly did he "waste kids" with his "braindead shows?" By exposing kids to animals? By educating kids? By instilling a love of animals, and thus a desire to conserve, in them? Much better they be watching some pointless cartoon, I suppose.

Also, what facts do you ground your opinions that he was an "egomaniac" and "wanted to die like this?"

You shouldn't be defaming a man at his own memorial. You arn't even comming with any real facts, only your baseless opinion. So shut the fuck up. Untill you have something real to say, spouting bullshit about a freshly dead man to his distrought admirers is just infantile.

If you disagree, please respond to the questions and points in my first paragraph. If you do not, I will take it as an admission that you know you are wrong, and thus are just a malicious soul with no decency. Becuase who else would spread vicious lies about a man when he is still being mourned?

Apples and oranges.

The unknown guy is just that. Unknown.

Croc man at least brought a world to people who thought nothing of it.

Heck Crocs didn't mean anything to me. Now they are a littler more interesting.

So you're saying that if two people die in identical circumstances, the more famous one deserves respect while the other can be the butt of Internet jokes?

If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.

I would not. Any innocent death is tragic.

i still think he deserves the darwin award.

i mean the guy leapt from moving vechiles onto charging wild boars in his plain clothes....(my favorite episode btw)

But he didn't die doing anything like that. He died snorkling.

So you're saying that if two people die in identical circumstances, the more famous one deserves respect while the other can be the butt of Internet jokes?

It's a fact of life. Deal with it.

A man with a personality and had the ability to reach people will affect them more if he dies unexpectedly then the unknown man.

How many people died in China and India this moment. Should I be sad for them? I didn't know them.

I didn't know Croc man but I liked his passion for what he did. I liked his show. He did try to make a difference which I am surprised you would knock him. He was an environmentalist.

If you ask people that work at the Montery Bay Aquarium, you will find more then one were insprised by him and interested them to work in their fields.

Why is wrong to feel sad at his passing?

My God, can't you people who are so adamant that Steve Irwin was a tosspot who had absolutely no respect for the creatures he dealt with please just make another thread or something? This thread is for people with a heart to mourn his passing, not to defend him from ignorant trolls.

More to the point, Steve Irwin seemed to have a love/hate relationship with many Australians, because they/we believed that he was giving a bad image of us. It's sad that in death we realize the man's truest virtues and how much he has done and suffered in order to bring us a form of educational entertainment that was unique to him and him alone.

Give 'em Hell in heaven mate, we'll miss ya.

i think its easy for anyone to laugh off an accident, if they dont know the person, but i knew steve and he was a good guy....no one should die like that but especially him....

This is just your uninformed opinion, not even based on any kind of facts. Just because he was enthusiastic, energetic, and a bit excentric doesn't mean he "wanted to be an attraction." If you knew about them man you were attacking, you would know that he was passionate about conservation. What "he wanted" was to spread knowledge, awareness, and love of the natural world.
Pray tell, how exactly did he "waste kids" with his "braindead shows?" By exposing kids to animals? By educating kids? By instilling a love of animals, and thus a desire to conserve, in them? Much better they be watching some pointless cartoon, I suppose.

Also, what facts do you ground your opinions that he was an "egomaniac" and "wanted to die like this?"

You shouldn't be defaming a man at his own memorial. You arn't even comming with any real facts, only your baseless opinion. So shut the fuck up. Untill you have something real to say, spouting bullshit about a freshly dead man to his distrought admirers is just infantile.

If you disagree, please respond to the questions and points in my first paragraph. If you do not, I will take it as an admission that you know you are wrong, and thus are just a malicious soul with no decency. Becuase who else would spread vicious lies about a man when he is still being mourned?


I have actually seen some of his shows on tv, although I very rarely watch tv at all. "Enthusiastic, energetic, and a bit excentric" is well understated what this man was doing. He was not educating kids, he was entertaining them by adventurous encounters with wild and dangerous animals. He was not making documentaries so kids would learn to respect nature, what he tought was how to aggressively invade animals' habitats and unnecessarily confront the animals to create a spectacle. That's nothing repectworthy.

And about your mourning:
If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.
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I have actually seen some of his shows on tv, although I very rarely watch tv at all. "Enthusiastic, energetic, and a bit excentric" is well understated what this man was doing. He was not educating kids, he was entertaining them by adventurous encounters with wild and dangerous animals. He was not making documentaries so kids would learn to respect nature, what he tought was how to aggressively invade animals' habitats and unnecessarily confront the animals to create a spectacle. That's nothing repectworthy.

It seems that we have first hand account that you are wrong. Many people on this very thread were inspired and educated by Steve.


And about your mourning:
If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.
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That is not true. A couple of people have already disagreed with that, quite explicitly.

And about your mourning:
If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.
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since people almost never get killed by stingrays despite high levels of interaction with them, it doesn't even remotely qualify for a darwin award.

now go take a nap and come back when you're slightly less whiny

I have actually seen some of his shows on tv, although I very rarely watch tv at all. "Enthusiastic, energetic, and a bit excentric" is well understated what this man was doing. He was not educating kids, he was entertaining them by adventurous encounters with wild and dangerous animals. He was not making documentaries so kids would learn to respect nature, what he tought was how to aggressively invade animals' habitats and unnecessarily confront the animals to create a spectacle. That's nothing repectworthy.


Wow. So wrong.

As mentioned the people who work at and do research at the Monterey Bay Aquarium mentioned they were inspried by him.

My 5 year old has taken a great interest in Crocs and animals because of him.


And about your mourning:
If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.
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Apples and oranges.

Steve was known while the other guy.......

I heard someone said it on a chat, I though he was kidding.

:(
I told someone on the MSN, and they were surprised to the point of doubtful...

I heard about it earlier today, normaly it's just one more dead human and the world is better off. However Steve Irwin - like they continue to mention - died doing what he loved. People today die of heart attacks and old age, he got stabbed through the heart by the weapon of a wild animal, I bet he'd prefer to die that way. He was a brave man, and even I can respect him for that. He was authentic unlike so much of what we see, and for that I'll remember him.

since people almost never get killed by stingrays despite high levels of interaction with them, it doesn't even remotely qualify for a darwin award.

People almost never get killed by male polar bears in a zoo habitat understandably angry at having his testicles kicked like a football either, but that made the Darwin Awards.

Again, it's only because he's a celebrity he's being given leeway on reckless behavior that would have anyone else as the Joke of the Day. It's true, being famous lets you get away with things most others can't.

I think Ray Mears (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=403512&in_page_id=1811&in_page_id=1811) pretty much sums up what many of us are thinking....

(although we've already been treated to an anecdote about a whole roomful of Aussies laughing at his death (isn't that as much of a cliche about Aussies as anything Irwin ever did?

true, My friend had one about an aeroplane trip, the movie -Muriel's Wedding, the fire had every Australian on board watching laughing while all non- Australians thought they were mad. We just find amusement in anything we can. On irwin, I applaud him for his conservation work, but i didn't particurlaly enjoy his show.

I'm surprised, yet not surprised at his death. He was bound to get gored by some animal eventually, but that's guy's been maimed by just about everything and (to quote someone else) "probably had an immune system that could eat AIDS for breakfast". I thought he was immortal or something, and now we know he's not.

Stingrays rarely kill people, it says on MSN that the stingray got spooked because of all the cameramen surrounding it and the Croc Hunter, and that there were elements that Irwin wasn't used to. Also, STINGRAYS HARDLY EVER KILL PEOPLE, but Irwin took it straight through the heart and died very quickly. The whole thing wa sa freak accident.

from todays Grouniad...guess she's a wanker as well huh?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,,1865124,00.html

'That sort of self-delusion is what it takes to be a real Aussie larrikin'

Germaine Greer
Tuesday September 5, 2006
The Guardian


The world mourns. World-famous wildlife warrior Steve Irwin has died a hero, doing the thing he loved, filming a sequence for a new TV series. He was supposed to have been making a new documentary to have been called Ocean's Deadliest, but, when filming was held up by bad weather, he decided to "go off and shoot a few segments" for his eight-year-old daughter's upcoming TV series, "just stuff on the reef and little animals". His manager John Stainton "just said fine, anything that would keep him moving and keep his adrenaline going". Evidently it's Stainton's job to keep Irwin pumped larger than life, shouting "Crikey!" and punching the air.....


......As a Melbourne boy, Irwin should have had a healthy respect for stingrays, which are actually commoner, and bigger, in southern waters than they are near Port Douglas, where he was killed. The film-makers maintain that the ray that took Irwin out was a "bull ray", or Dasyatis brevicaudata, but this is not usually found as far north as Port Douglas. Marine biologist Dr Meredith Peach has been quoted as saying, "It's really quite unusual for divers to be stung unless they are grappling with the animal and, knowing Steve Irwin, perhaps that may have been the case." Not much sympathy there then.

http://mofunzone.com/online_games/terri_irwin_s_revenge.shtml

What do you know, there's already a flash game.

Locals around here are laughing though. Steve Irwin did take his kid into a crocodile pit after all, and generally gave Australians a bad name apparently.

I'm American and in my opinion, he was a good ambassador for Australia. I dont know how he was off camera in real life, but I saw him as a decent guy, honestly concerned about wildlife and the environment. He was really enthusiastic and got the attention and interest of many adults and children. He was entertaining.
I think he was an asset to Australia. I dont feel he made Australians look bad-if anything-concerned and decent.

He'll be sorely missed by many.

RIP, Steve.

http://mofunzone.com/online_games/terri_irwin_s_revenge.shtml

What do you know, there's already a flash game.

That site is full of pop-ups ...

That site is full of pop-ups ...

Sorry, I don't generally notice, as I have a popup blocker.

I really cannot understand what you all find in this jerk. How old are you?

I'll just say "Late 50s" and leave it at that. Don't confuse what Irwin actually did with the heavily edited versions of what he did that became the norm after the TV stations decided he was bankable.

My God, can't you people who are so adamant that Steve Irwin was a tosspot who had absolutely no respect for the creatures he dealt with ....

Isn't it ironic? The people you refer to falsely claim he didn't respect animals, and they do it in a way that shows they don't respect humans.

Steve Irwin devoted his life to his childhood love. That in itself is inspiring.

Also, he did enough work on the activist front to qualify him as a loss to the human race. I'm no treehugger, but anyone that risks bodily injury on a constant basis for the causes of preservation and education deserves a little respect. If only because most of us wouldn't dedicate our lives to such a pursuit.

I think he was an asset to Australia. I dont feel he made Australians look bad-if anything-concerned and decent.

LOL
Australians make Australians look bad.

And about your mourning:
If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.
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Somebody else said it earlier...
Freak accidents dont count for Darwin Awards. Darwin Awards go to crazy Pole's who try to decapitate themselves in macho contests :P

Rules from Darwin Awards .com:
Reproduction
Out of the gene pool: dead or sterile.
Excellence
Astounding misapplication of judgment.
Self-Selection
Cause one's own demise.
Maturity
Capable of sound judgment.
Veracity
The event must be true.

3/5, but the first one and last two are pretty much givens in every candidate. There is 'reasonable doubt' that Steve didnt see the stingray or didnt know its exact location in relation ot him.
The other deal is that stingray stings are so rarely lethal. You would have to be stung in the heart, neck or head in order for such a sting to be lethal unless you were allergic or in danger of drowning (which would be difficult in a properly secured environment while wearing a scuba suit).
He definitly didnt pick up the stingray and poke it until it stung him, so self-selection is out.
So, he doesnt qualify for the two important means of getting a Darwin Award.

Again, it's only because he's a celebrity he's being given leeway on reckless behavior that would have anyone else as the Joke of the Day. It's true, being famous lets you get away with things most others can't.

Are you just pissed because he was well known and you are not?

I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did the way he'd taunt and handle some of those wild animals he'd come across for his shows. I don't want to say he had it coming... but... well, he did. :(

from todays Grouniad...guess she's a wanker as well huh?


No. But you still are.

Never mind the fact she is still guessing on what happened.

LOL
Australians make Australians look bad.

I guess everyone's experiences are different.

My experience with Australia and it's people has left me with a favorable impression.

People almost never get killed by male polar bears in a zoo habitat understandably angry at having his testicles kicked like a football either, but that made the Darwin Awards.ah, but the idiot got into the enclosuer for the express purpose of kicking a bear in the Balls, so tell, me. who's job is it to kick bears in the balls... No One. that idiot was 1) stupid, 2) not trained in handling bears 3) the bear was in an enclosure for a reason.

Again, it's only because he's a celebrity he's being given leeway on reckless behavior that would have anyone else as the Joke of the Day. It's true, being famous lets you get away with things most others can't.*Remembers all the Micheal Jackson flak,
Remembers all the OJ Simpson flak,
Remembers all the Mel Gibson flak,
Remembers all the Witney Housten flak,
Remembers all the Zsa Zsa Gabor flak.
Robert Downey Jr.
Pee Wee Herman.
Dixie Chicks
Seaned O'Connor
Jessica Simpson
Charlie Sheen
Emelio Estavez...

Yeah... all celebrities get soo much leeway... :rolleyes:

Steve Irwin devoted his life to his childhood love. That in itself is inspiring.

Also, he did enough work on the activist front to qualify him as a loss to the human race. I'm no treehugger, but anyone that risks bodily injury on a constant basis for the causes of preservation and education deserves a little respect. If only because most of us wouldn't dedicate our lives to such a pursuit.

I think you summed it up brilliantly.

Enough said realy.

I think Ray Mears (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=403512&in_page_id=1811&in_page_id=1811) pretty much sums up what many of us are thinking....

So Nature is dangerous. That falls under a "duh" statement.

Yet you overlook:

He said that although some "university professors" might have turned their noses up at the way presenters like Irwin portrayed reptiles, he had probably inspired many people to follow a future in conservation.

"A lot of people who now want to study biology and work with animals may not have considered it before they watched him on television," he said.


What a dumb bastard he was! :rolleyes:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-09-04-obit-irwin_x.htm

Steve Irwin's deadly encounter with a stingray was captured on dramatic videotape and shows TV's 'Crocodile Hunter' pulling out the animal's poisonous barb that had pierced his heart moments before he died, officials said today.

The beloved naturalist was being videotaped snorkeling above the beast for Ocean's Deadliest, a new TV documentary. Queensland Police Superintendent Michael Keating said the footage showed nothing suspicious about Irwin's death nor evidence that he provoked the animal. Police held the tape as evidence for a coroner's inquiry, a standard procedure in high-profile deaths or those caused by other than natural causes.

...

"I never pictured a croc killing him, but I never pictured a stingray doing it, either," says Jack Hanna, director emeritus of the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium in Ohio. "It's like me getting killed by a poodle."

"Steve might have been a showman, but he was a great conservationist," Hanna says. He notes that 14 years ago, before Irwin's international success, there were two nationally televised wildlife shows. Now there are 29.

"We can agree or disagree on how he taught conservationism," Hanna says. "I couldn't do what he did. But he did have a way of teaching. And in the end I remember him as a conservationist, because he really believed in what he did."

Howard Stern: "There is no such thing as a Sting Ray expert. Nooone has a clue what the hell they are doing when it comes to wildlife. Consider the fact that you have young children and stay out of the water."

So Nature is dangerous. That falls under a "duh" statement.

Yet you overlook:

He said that although some "university professors" might have turned their noses up at the way presenters like Irwin portrayed reptiles, he had probably inspired many people to follow a future in conservation.

"A lot of people who now want to study biology and work with animals may not have considered it before they watched him on television," he said.


What a dumb bastard he was! :rolleyes:

You forgot to call me a wanker again. :rolleyes:

I have actually seen some of his shows on tv, although I very rarely watch tv at all. "Enthusiastic, energetic, and a bit excentric" is well understated what this man was doing. He was not educating kids, he was entertaining them by adventurous encounters with wild and dangerous animals. He was not making documentaries so kids would learn to respect nature, what he tought was how to aggressively invade animals' habitats and unnecessarily confront the animals to create a spectacle. That's nothing repectworthy.

And about your mourning:
If it had been some unknown guy instead of Steve Irwin getting shanked by a stingray, I'm fairly certain the people here mourning a tragic loss would be laughing the story off as the 2006 Darwin Awards winner.
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Everything aside. I personally think that your trying to get us to flame you. Not going to work. Have a nice day.

Arcelea,
http://aklemai.com/albums/forum/highhorse2.jpg

It was a joke.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11639874&postcount=264

I really cannot understand what you all find in this jerk. How old are you?

Obvious trolling indeed.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11639941&postcount=268

If the man wanted to be an attraction he should have worked for a circus. Instead he decided to waste kids by entertaining them with braindead shows on tv. He leaves behind a widow and two young children because he was an egomaniac idiot and he obviously wanted and thus deserved to die like this. Only stupid people could see an idol in this man.

More obvious trolling. That's just asking to get bad responses.
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http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-09-04-obit-irwin_x.htm

our local news said what he was filming was for Bindi's class show.

our local news said what he was filming was for Bindi's class show.

Wow. That just makes the blow even worse...

I wonder if they'll release the tape showing his death to the public. I hope not, I hope they just give it to the family and let them decide.

I feel so sorry that the poor guy died. I mean, wasn't it funny watching those shows with your mom and seeing her :eek: when he got really close to a dangerous animal? Anyway, I knew that guy would be killed messing around with one of those animals one day.

I feel so sorry that the poor guy died. I mean, wasn't it funny watching those shows with your mom and seeing her :eek: when he got really close to a dangerous animal? Anyway, I knew that guy would be killed messing around with one of those animals one day.

The thing is, it wasn't even a particular common occurence. A lot of things went wrong in order for that to happen; had the stingray hit anywhere else he would still be alive. I guess it's somewhat comforting that he died doing something he loved while working with the animals he loved.

I wonder if they'll release the tape showing his death to the public. I hope not, I hope they just give it to the family and let them decide.


They aren't. Just saw an interview where they said only a couple people will see it if they want.

The public will not.

Not sure if anyone posted this yet, but here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5314918.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5314918.stm)

In the article it states, "It stopped and went into a defensive mode and swung its tail with the spike. It probably felt threatened because Steve was alongside and there was the cameraman ahead, and it felt there was danger and it baulked."

Sad news. :(

For Australia he was a true national hero and an Icon.

Like alot of people I could see it coming (guess its part of the job), it will be a very long time before someone of his character can be replaced.

I hope they stomped the stingray to death for killing him.

I hope they stomped the stingray to death for killing him.

Hey now. Would Steve have wanted that?

I hope they stomped the stingray to death for killing him.I'm sure Steve would have appreciated that his friends and colleagues would take the time that they might have been able to save him, had his wounds been less serious, in order to exact revenge on one of the creatures on this planet that he loved enough to go swimming with...

They aren't. Just saw an interview where they said only a couple people will see it if they want.

The public will not.

I'm actually hearing that the family will show it to the public. I'm watching MSNBC right now and that's what they're saying.

Hey now. Would Steve have wanted that?

One week ago, I'd say hell no. Today, however, I think he'd probably stomp it to death himself.

Animals are weird, they even get upset if you're too close to them. Remember that woman who sat next to the bear, and the next thing you knew the bear attacked her? She didn't do anything either.
If you are referring to the occurance that I have in mind, the reason the bear attacked is obvious. She 'surprised' the bear, the bear freaked out resulting in a pre-emptive 'defensive' strike.

As for his behaviour in regards to animals, I'm not convinced he had a fully developed theory of mind.

By the way, I very much doubt he would have wanted the stingray harmed.

One week ago, I'd say hell no. Today, however, I think he'd probably stomp it to death himself.

considering that he's been bitten by snakes, lizards, crocs and other creatures and never once blamed them for it...

I highly doubt that he would want anything stomped to death.

considering that he's been bitten by snakes, lizards, crocs and other creatures and never once blamed them for it...

I highly doubt that he would want anything stomped to death.

Bitten by one, yes. But killed by one? Ah, that's a whole different kettle of fish. I'm all for live and let live for all of God's creatures.... until one of them kills a person, that is. Unless, of course the person in question puts him/herself in harm's way out of sheer idiocy. In that case, I might even still recommend putting the critter down, particularly if the animal is more intelligent than is the norm.

Bitten by one, yes. But killed by one? Ah, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
Even then, I doubt that he would hold a grudge on the animal that killed him.

Do people think its a bit much that his family have been offered a state funeral?

I don't really. I'm not sure how much he did for Austrailia, but I always enjoyed watching his shows.

Do people think its a bit much that his family have been offered a state funeral?

I don't really. I'm not sure how much he did for Austrailia, but I always enjoyed watching his shows.


They refused it, saying he was "just a regular bloke."

They refused it, saying he was "just a regular bloke."

Didn't know they did. I know his Dad said he wouldn't want one, but it was up to his wife.

Bitten by one, yes. But killed by one? Ah, that's a whole different kettle of fish. I'm all for live and let live for all of God's creatures.... until one of them kills a person, that is. Unless, of course the person in question puts him/herself in harm's way out of sheer idiocy. In that case, I might even still recommend putting the critter down, particularly if the animal is more intelligent than is the norm.

You are mixing up your creatures.

It's one thing where a bear, lion, etc kill a human. Such a predator has a chance to do it again since they probably lost their fear of man.

A ray is not a predator. The ray that killed him is not going to start hunting humans.

I wonder if they'll release the tape showing his death to the public. I hope not, I hope they just give it to the family and let them decide.

Look here (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/05092006/364/crocodile-hunter-death-broadcast.html)

It seems quite possible

You are mixing up your creatures.

It's one thing where a bear, lion, etc kill a human. Such a predictor has a chance to do it again since they probably lost their fear of man.

A ray is not a predictor. The ray that killed him is not going to start hunting humans.

I don't recall saying that I'd thought the ray was a predictor. What I said was that in the case of a more intelligent animal, they CAN continue to be dangerous in the future (the last sentence should have made that point clear). However, I was not around when the voices in your head told you to say that, so I'll defer to your infinite wisdom in this matter.

I'd still stomp that ray.

P.S. What, pray tell, is a predictor?

Right now Imma ram me thumb up 'is butthole! oH, that'll really piss 'im off! :)

Terribly sad. :(

Ironic that a man who has tangled with numerous 'dangerous' animals, should meet his fate in an accident with a 'docile' animal. He wasn't doing anything dangerous, from what I've heard anyway. They are pretty sure the animal didn't intentionally attack him.

They aren't. Just saw an interview where they said only a couple people will see it if they want.

The public will not.

Too bad, sounds awesome, pulling it out of his chest and all.

If you are referring to the occurance that I have in mind, the reason the bear attacked is obvious. She 'surprised' the bear, the bear freaked out resulting in a pre-emptive 'defensive' strike.

As for his behaviour in regards to animals, I'm not convinced he had a fully developed theory of mind.

By the way, I very much doubt he would have wanted the stingray harmed.

There's no question that he wouldn't harmed the sting ray, the point I was trying to make is that you never know what will put an animal in defensive mode and strike out at you.

I don't recall saying that I'd thought the ray was a predictor. What I said was that in the case of a more intelligent animal, they CAN continue to be dangerous in the future (the last sentence should have made that point clear). However, I was not around when the voices in your head told you to say that, so I'll defer to your infinite wisdom in this matter.

I'd still stomp that ray.

P.S. What, pray tell, is a predictor?

Such a little boy. :rolleyes:

Well big man. I would like to see you try to stomp a ray to death. Film it. I am sure you can make money on it.

As to the question: A bad spell check run. I am trying one out and am going to toss it.

There's no question that he wouldn't harmed the sting ray, the point I was trying to make is that you never know what will put an animal in defensive mode and strike out at you.
Just to clarify, the by the way was by the way (it applied to the more recent discussion and commentary about whether or not Steve Irwin would have wanted the stringray stomped, rather than being directed at you or your comments).

With regards to the bear, this isnt the first time I've encountered the incident I'm thinking of being touted as an example of unpredicatable behaviour on the part of the bear. I find it odd because (ironically) the bear's behaviour is entirely predictable, it's more readily predictable to me than the bear-handler's failure to predict (and take action to avoid) such an outcome.

I dont disagree that animals can behave in ways we wouldnt have predicted before-hand (or if we had recognised the potentiality, we wouldnt have considered it a likely possibility). I guess it's just that I find the not-uncommon use of this incident as an example of bear-unpredictability (and/or animal unpredicability) bemusing because it's the behaviour of humans that seems far more unpredictable than the bear's.

if he knew what he was doing he would not be dead.

Animals, esp in the wild, are unpredictable.

surely your two points are mutually exclusive?! surely BECAUSE animals are unpredictable, no matter how well you know your intentions and know what you are doing, there will always be a risk (unless you claim clairvoyancy)?

Too bad, sounds awesome, pulling it out of his chest and all.

Bet its on YouTube within a month.

Bet its on YouTube within a month.

I heard he wanted it to go on TV so they're going to do it, the actual attack will probably be censored or incredibly shaky.

surely your two points are mutually exclusive?! surely BECAUSE animals are unpredictable, no matter how well you know your intentions and know what you are doing, there will always be a risk (unless you claim clairvoyancy)?

I would agree with the interactions being unpredictible. I figured that the incident was very unfortunate and shocking. Human and animal interactions could always carry a certain amount of risk depending on the nature of the animal and its environment. Steve must have known the risks in order for him to do what he loved and to help nature in the best possible way...
Terri, John Stainton, and everyone in his party knew the risks as well. We will most sincerely miss him...and I send my condolences to the people of the Australia Zoo, his family and his friends as well as to honour his memory and his mission in life...

yes, we all thought he was invincible. emphasis on was, alas. in some ways not surprising, because one is likely more alert around the big animals, and stringrays may just lash out.

Apparently!