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http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Resolution+Bush+happy

58 minutes ago
JERUSALEM (Reuters)

Israeli newspapers quoted political sources who said the Jewish state was largely happy with the draft resolution.

"We got what we wanted." the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper quoted a political source as saying.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060806/ts_nm/mideast_israel_dc_1;_ylt=AqqZNYgnUyJJNqYse_.15hUUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Sources: Yahoo/Reuters/OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: If Bush and Israel are so happy.. and "got what they wanted".. I must wonder.. if the other sides feel the same happyness.

Whats your point?

That comes as no suprise, especially because Bush and Israel are such good buddies.

Israel only has its intrests in "reclaiming the 'Holy Land'", and securing oil trading with the United States.

The United States has its intrests in protecting foreign oil that Bush seems to think is given to them by god, or "Practicing gods will all over the US".

Either way, its about oil, not about peace.

Its better that Bush gets what he wants rather than nuking the UN. You don't think he'd do it? Come on, GET REAL!

Lebanon is not happy with it. The UN has gone back to the drawing board.:eek:

That comes as no suprise, especially because Bush and Israel are such good buddies.

Israel only has its intrests in "reclaiming the 'Holy Land'", and securing oil trading with the United States.

The United States has its intrests in protecting foreign oil that Bush seems to think is given to them by god, or "Practicing gods will all over the US".

Either way, its about oil, not about peace.
Dude, you lose at life. Just go home, pack your bags, grab a horse, and go live in the mountains and dont bother anyone.:rolleyes:

Lebanon is not happy with it. I had a feeling.. that was going to be the case.

That comes as no suprise, especially because Bush and Israel are such good buddies.

Israel only has its intrests in "reclaiming the 'Holy Land'", and securing oil trading with the United States.

The United States has its intrests in protecting foreign oil that Bush seems to think is given to them by god, or "Practicing gods will all over the US".

Either way, its about oil, not about peace.
This is the dumbest post I've seen in a while. ISRAEL HAS NO OIL!!!!!

ISRAEL HAS NO OIL!!!!!Israel has nothing of interest..

its a small piece of Desert.

So much killing for that small piece of ArabLand.

The resolution is not bad on the sole basis that Bush and Israel like it. From this perspective, at least, such an attitude gives the impression that one really couldn't give a damn what anyone else thinks; it's all about opposing these two entities regardless of circumstance.

The resolution is a failure because it attempts to paint one side as a benefitting party of the struggle in the hope of winning US opinion, when really it should be punishing both Lebanon and Israel for getting involved in the first place. If the UN has slipped so far as to need to appease the situation simply because either pro-Zionist or pro-Islamist parties have an overruling say in the matter, it truly has become worthless as an organisation.

Israel has nothing of interest..

its a small piece of Desert.

So much killing for that small piece of ArabLand.

Yeah, all those cities and neibourhoods don't actually exist. They are holograms, part of a conspiracy.

Israel has nothing of interest..

its a small piece of Desert.



But it is THEIR small piece of desert, and they have the right to defend it the same as any sovereign nation.

But it is THEIR small piece of desert,...Both Palestineans and Jews use the same words.. feel the same.

The differnce is that the US Gov.. gives 13.7 millions a day to Israel.. Infact allowing the Jewish WAR machine.

Both Palestineans and Jews say that.

When was there ever a nation of palestine in that area? Not palestinians living on another nation's land, but an actual palestinian state?

When was there ever a nation of palestine in that area? does not matter.. Both the Palestinean People and the Jewish people claim the same small piece of land.

does not matter.. Both the Palestinean People and the Jewish people claim the same small piece of land.

So, it's not theirs so they have no right to terrorize.

does not matter.. Both the Palestinean People and the Jewish people claim the same small piece of land.

Well then I guess they should have accepted the UN resolution or the Camp David accords when they had the chance, shouldn't they have?

When was there ever a nation of palestine in that area? Not palestinians living on another nation's land, but an actual palestinian state?
There currently is a Palestinian state that occupies 80% of the Palestinian Mandate. It is called Jordan. It is something that hte Palestinians refuse to talk about.

So, it's not theirs so they have no right to terrorize.

So if it was theirs they would have the right to terrorise?:confused:

does not matter.. Both the Palestinean People and the Jewish people claim the same small piece of land.So, it's not theirs so they have no right to terrorize.you need to develop your reply.

otherwise.. Fartsniffage is going to come..and Pwn you.

EDIT too late. :D

So if it was theirs they would have the right to terrorise?:confused:

No.

Edit: by they i mean the palastinians.

.. or the Camp David..Do you know the full extent of the application of this accord??Well then I guess they should have accepted the UN resolution.LOL.. UN resolutions :rolleyes:

No.

You need to look at that response again then. A more cynical person might misconstrue it to mean that you support a state oppressing it's own people ;)

PRESIDENT Bush does something I can be proud of. If the UN resolution is acceptable to the Hebrews, it is acceptable to me.

In this resolution I am well pleased.

my2cents: If Bush and Israel are so happy.. and "got what they wanted".. I must wonder.. if the other sides feel the same happyness.

You can't please all of the people all of the time. :)

If the UN resolution is acceptable to the Hebrews, it is acceptable to me.

In this resolution I am well pleased.Intersting,

BUSH is happy
the JEWS are Happy.
and
The #1 NationStates Jew-Crew Member is Happy.

.. I see a pattern developping here.. :D

Intersting,

BUSH is happy
the JEWS are Happy.
and
The #1 NationStates Jew-Crew Member is Happy.

.. I see a pattern developping here.. :D]

Yup :p

It's a good day to be alive, I tell ya. And a good day for you to join the Jew Crew, I might add.

OD, a JEW CREW Member? I'll never live to see that day!

]

Yup :p

It's a good day to be alive, I tell ya. And a good day for you to join the Jew Crew, I might add.

OD, a JEW CREW Member? I'll never live to see that day!You wanna bet? :D :D :cool: :D

]

Yup :p

It's a good day to be alive, I tell ya. And a good day for you to join the Jew Crew, I might add.

OD, a JEW CREW Member? I'll never live to see that day!

He would join only as a mole.

You can't please all of the people all of the time. :)

Exactly, just because one party is not happy with the resolution does not change weather it is good or bad.

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Bush+happy

58 minutes ago
JERUSALEM (Reuters)

Israeli newspapers quoted political sources who said the Jewish state was largely happy with the draft resolution.

"We got what we wanted." the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper quoted a political source as saying.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060806/ts_nm/mideast_israel_dc_1;_ylt=AqqZNYgnUyJJNqYse_.15hUUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Sources: Yahoo/Reuters/OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: If Bush and Israel are so happy.. and "got what they wanted".. I must wonder.. if the other sides feel the same happyness.

Could well be 2,000 Lebanese dead by the end, then so.

Could well be 2,000 Lebanese dead by the end, then so.
And all of them are dead because of HEzbollah.

You wanna bet? :D :D :cool: :D

I don't think you'd ever publicly profess your everloving soul in support of Israel or their neverending wars on Hezz/Hamas!

:p

PRESIDENT Bush does something I can be proud of. If the UN resolution is acceptable to the Hebrews, it is acceptable to me.

In this resolution I am well pleased.
Hooray! Okay guys, we can stop the fighting now, DM's happy with it at last!

*Shelling stops, airstrikes cease, everyone immediately drops all grudge or prejudice and cracks open the finely made and well chilled champagne*

>_>

Could well be 2,000 Lebanese dead by the end, then so.The Lebanese people is well aware of that threat.
They are also aware that their economy is being destroyed by US bombs.
every day... every hour..

Could well be 2,000 Lebanese dead by the end, then so.

Probably be a lot less if it weren't for the UN and Hezzbollah. If the Lebanese gov't actually governed...it would be far less. Bunch of spineless eels.

The Lebanese people is well aware of that threat.
They are also aware that their economy is being destroyed by US bombs.
every day... every hour..

As IDF said, all because of the hezbollah.

Hooray! Okay guys, we can stop the fighting now, DM's happy with it at last!

*Shelling stops, airstrikes cease, everyone immediately drops all grudge or prejudice and cracks open the finely made and well chilled champagne*

>_>

Arr, can ye smell it? [pirate]


The Lebanese people is well aware of that threat.
They are also aware that their economy is being destroyed by US bombs.
every day... every hour..

Pretty big price to be paid for letting Hezzbollah live in your land as a parasite.

Would've been less costly to stand up to Hezz, but no...spineless politicians and all..

I don't think you'd ever publicly profess your everloving soul in support of Israel or their neverending wars on Hezz/Hamas!

:pdont play Dodgeball... Do you take your bet or not..
the loser will have to put "Owned by DesignatedMarksman/OcceanDrive" .. in blue ink/no letter size.. for One week.

here is the line of the bet.. You are inviting me to become a Member of the famous Jew-Crew.. and you are betting you will never see the day OD(me) will join.

Quote: "a good day for you (OD) to join the Jew Crew.. OcceanDrive, a JEW CREW Member? I'll never live to see that day!"

I am ready to take the bet.. Will you confirm the stake of the Bet?


:cool:
BTW If you do not take the bet, It will be all good, I will not do my traditional "in-yo-face" dance. :D

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Bush+happy

58 minutes ago
JERUSALEM (Reuters)

Israeli newspapers quoted political sources who said the Jewish state was largely happy with the draft resolution.

"We got what we wanted." the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper quoted a political source as saying.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060806/ts_nm/mideast_israel_dc_1;_ylt=AqqZNYgnUyJJNqYse_.15hUUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Sources: Yahoo/Reuters/OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: If Bush and Israel are so happy.. and "got what they wanted".. I must wonder.. if the other sides feel the same happyness.

So because they are both happy that you have to ignore the fact that France was also involved in the process?

So because they are both happy that you have to ignore the fact that France was also involved in the process?LOL.. what is with these Neocons??

They cant stop seeking the UN/France protection.

"freedom Fries" anyone? :D

LOL.. what is with these Neocons??

They cant stop praising the UN and France..

"freedom Fries" anyone? :D

I am going to violate one of my rules and call you an idiot to your face.

Violence Rages on in Mideast After U.S., France Pen U.N. Cease-Fire (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207182,00.html)

And why should I praise France? Because in this case, US and France worked to together to get this draft UN Proposal.

Besides, how much would you like to bet that neither side will stop firing even if this passes the UNSC?

Besides, how much would you like to bet that neither side will stop firing even if this passes the UNSC?

Who honestly expects them to? Both Hezbollah and Israel have shown a complete willingness to disregard UN resolutions in the past.

I am going to violate one of my rules and call you an idiot to your face.LOL..

Now I just know.. I touched a very sensible point..
Looking for UN/French help.. must really turn all your stomachs .. :D :D :p :D

LOL..

I must have touched a sensible point..
Looking for UN/French help.. must really turn your stomach.. :D :D :p :D

Oh brother. To be honest, I do not care which of the other four Permanent member of the UNSC helps establish Peace in the region. In case you have not noticed, I applauded the French in their efforts to help bring about peace in the region. I guess that proves that you need to go back to reading class because you obviously cannot comprehend.

Oh brother. To be honest, I do not care which of the other four Permanent member of the UNSC helps establish Peace in the region. In case you have not noticed, I applauded the French in their efforts to help bring about peace in the region.ok, if you say so.

But in that case I suggest you do not "violate you own rule" .. ;)

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Bush+happy

58 minutes ago
JERUSALEM (Reuters)

Israeli newspapers quoted political sources who said the Jewish state was largely happy with the draft resolution.

"We got what we wanted." the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper quoted a political source as saying.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060806/ts_nm/mideast_israel_dc_1;_ylt=AqqZNYgnUyJJNqYse_.15hUUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Sources: Yahoo/Reuters/OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: If Bush and Israel are so happy.. and "got what they wanted".. I must wonder.. if the other sides feel the same happyness.

OMG SHUT UP YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLE, WE ALL KNOW THAT IF BUSH HAD REJECTED THE DRAFT RESOLUTION YOU WOULD BE SAYING THAT HE WAS TERRIBLE BECAUSE HE WANTED THE WAR TO KEEP GOING.

Bah ... UN Resolutions are about as effective IRL as they are in NS World.

OMG SHUT UP YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLE, WE ALL KNOW THAT IF BUSH HAD REJECTED THE DRAFT RESOLUTION YOU WOULD BE SAYING THAT HE WAS TERRIBLE BECAUSE HE WANTED THE WAR TO KEEP GOING.

You must be right because you used a deliberate flame and all-caps.

Best debating tactic evar!

Now you just need a "pwnd j00 lolz0rsesz!!1!11one!111!"

Oh ... and this smilie sprinkled in ... " :sniper: "

OMG SHUT UP YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLE, WE ALL KNOW THAT IF BUSH HAD REJECTED THE DRAFT RESOLUTION YOU WOULD BE SAYING THAT HE WAS TERRIBLE BECAUSE HE WANTED THE WAR TO KEEP GOING.like him.. see? he is "violating you own rule"

OMG SHUT UP YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLE, WE ALL KNOW THAT IF BUSH HAD REJECTED THE DRAFT RESOLUTION YOU WOULD BE SAYING THAT HE WAS TERRIBLE BECAUSE HE WANTED THE WAR TO KEEP GOING.

Why do you feel the need to include liberal as part of the insult? Why not just asshole?

OMG SHUT UP YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLE, WE ALL KNOW THAT IF BUSH HAD REJECTED THE DRAFT RESOLUTION YOU WOULD BE SAYING THAT HE WAS TERRIBLE BECAUSE HE WANTED THE WAR TO KEEP GOING.

Knock it off Amadenijad. There is no reason to yell.

You must be right because you used a deliberate flame and all-caps.

Best debating tactic evar!

Now you just need a "pwnd j00 lolz0rsesz!!1!11one!111!"


OK OR MY KEYBOARD IS JUST BROKEN AND ITS STUCK ON CAPS. DID YOU EVER HEAR OF THAT HAPPENING? YEAH, BUT MY MESSAGE IS STILL THE SAME, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE COMPLAINED IF THE MAN HAD REJECTED THE RESOLUTION, HE CANT WIN, SO WHY DONT PEOPLE JUST SHUT UP?

Why do you feel the need to include liberal as part of the insult? Why not just asshole?


CUZ LIBERAL ADDS THAT EXTRA TOUCH. IDK MAKES IT SOUND BETTER. AND BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO REALLY HATE BUSH THAT MUCH ARE LIBERALS. SO...IM JUST POINTING OUT WHAT THEY ARE.

OK OR MY KEYBOARD IS JUST BROKEN AND ITS STUCK ON CAPS. DID YOU EVER HEAR OF THAT HAPPENING? YEAH, BUT MY MESSAGE IS STILL THE SAME, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE COMPLAINED IF THE MAN HAD REJECTED THE RESOLUTION, HE CANT WIN, SO WHY DONT PEOPLE JUST SHUT UP?

Ok I can understand a broken keyboard. That can happen.

However, regardless of that, "liberal asshole" was a deliberate flame. It belittles both liberals and assholes without reason. React to the argument, not the poster.

You must be right because you used a deliberate flame and all-caps.

Best debating tactic evar!

Now you just need a "pwnd j00 lolz0rsesz!!1!11one!111!"

Oh ... and this smilie sprinkled in ... " :sniper: "

He left out "snivelling".

Both Palestineans and Jews use the same words.. feel the same.

The differnce is that the US Gov.. gives 13.7 millions a day to Israel.. Infact allowing the Jewish WAR machine.
The more you say phrases like "Jewish war machine" the more you sound like an anti-Semitic bigot. At least say "Israeli war machine".

There currently is a Palestinian state that occupies 80% of the Palestinian Mandate. It is called Jordan. It is something that hte Palestinians refuse to talk about.
I know that Jordanians are more or less similar ethnicity, but aren't Palestinians oppressed in Jordan?There currently is a Palestinian state that occupies 80% of the Palestinian Mandate. It is called Jordan. It is something that hte Palestinians refuse to talk about.
I know that Jordanians are more or less similar ethnicity, but aren't Palestinians oppressed in Jordan?

PRESIDENT Bush does something I can be proud of. If the UN resolution is acceptable to the Hebrews, it is acceptable to me.

Why is is so hard for people to say "Israeli"?


OD, a JEW CREW Member? I'll never live to see that day!
Maybe the Jew-KKKillin' Crew!

Pretty big price to be paid for letting Hezzbollah live in your land as a parasite.

Would've been less costly to stand up to Hezz, but no...spineless politicians and all..
Get real. Standing up to Hezbollah would mean civil war. The Lebanese government is weaker than Hezbollah.

Why do you feel the need to include liberal as part of the insult? Why not just asshole?
Don't feed the troll.

CUZ LIBERAL ADDS THAT EXTRA TOUCH. IDK MAKES IT SOUND BETTER. AND BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO REALLY HATE BUSH THAT MUCH ARE LIBERALS. SO...IM JUST POINTING OUT WHAT THEY ARE.
Dude, everyone except Republicans hates Bush.

Dude, everyone except Republicans hates Bush.

A healthy chunk of Republicans hate him too. :)

I suppose I'd feel a lot better about the whole situation if Israel's justification was a little more ... blatant. I'm no fan of Hezbollah, I think that they represent pretty much all that's bad about terrorist groups subverting Islam to their own needs; but the Israeli war effort is causing far more devastation in Lebanon than I think is reasonable, especially on the justification of two kidnapped soldiers.

Honestly? I hope Israel destroys Hezbollah's ability to operate as a terrorist or political group, and I don't see how someone could make the argument that Hezbollah is beneficial to the region. On the other hand, at some point the civilian toll is too great a price, and I think that Israel is quickly approaching that point.

dont play Dodgeball... Do you take your bet or not..
the loser will have to put "Owned by DesignatedMarksman/OcceanDrive" .. in blue ink/no letter size.. for One week.

here is the line of the bet.. You are inviting me to become a Member of the famous Jew-Crew.. and you are betting you will never see the day OD(me) will join.

Quote: "a good day for you (OD) to join the Jew Crew.. OcceanDrive, a JEW CREW Member? I'll never live to see that day!"

I am ready to take the bet.. Will you confirm the stake of the Bet?


:cool:
BTW If you do not take the bet, It will be all good, I will not do my traditional "in-yo-face" dance. :D

Yep.

Howabout Teal for the color? I'm guessing I'll be the loser in this bet, but alas, it's all in good fun, and we haven't gotten down to name calling and stupid stuff.

I'm in!

OK OR MY KEYBOARD IS JUST BROKEN AND ITS STUCK ON CAPS. DID YOU EVER HEAR OF THAT HAPPENING? YEAH, BUT MY MESSAGE IS STILL THE SAME, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE COMPLAINED IF THE MAN HAD REJECTED THE RESOLUTION, HE CANT WIN, SO WHY DONT PEOPLE JUST SHUT UP?

I'm not calling you a liar, but I find it amazing that both your caps lock AND shift keys are broken. :p

I suppose I'd feel a lot better about the whole situation if Israel's justification was a little more ... blatant. I'm no fan of Hezbollah, I think that they represent pretty much all that's bad about terrorist groups subverting Islam to their own needs; but the Israeli war effort is causing far more devastation in Lebanon than I think is reasonable, especially on the justification of two kidnapped soldiers.

Honestly? I hope Israel destroys Hezbollah's ability to operate as a terrorist or political group, and I don't see how someone could make the argument that Hezbollah is beneficial to the region. On the other hand, at some point the civilian toll is too great a price, and I think that Israel is quickly approaching that point.

Hezzbollah-Terrorist group
Iran and syria supporting Hezzbollah
Hezzbollah kidnaps israeli soldiers
Hezz launches Katyusha rockets into Israel

Did I leave anything out?

Or that it's a pain to hold down shift for every letter you press on your keyboard, excepting the ones that are supposed to be capitalised. Sure, it's annoying. But we'll get over it.

I'm not calling you a liar, but I find it amazing that both your caps lock AND shift keys are broken. :p

I think he doesn't know THAT IF YOU HAVE THE CAPS LOCK ON AND YOU hold down the shift key IT MAKES THEM LOWERCASE.

I HOPE THIS HELPS.

:p

Or that it's a pain to hold down shift for every letter you press on your keyboard, excepting the ones that are supposed to be capitalised. Sure, it's annoying. But we'll get over it.

Or you can call up the on-screen keyboard in accessibility options and set the caps lock that way. :)

@DM, who posted while I was posting.

No, you didn't. And that's why I dislike Hezbollah, and I hope Israel owns them up the ass. But do I think that's going to happen? No. Because Hezbollah is too engrained in Lebanese society, too adept at putting itself places where getting it would mean killing a bunch of civilians, and quite frankly, Israel is displaying even less regard for the welfare of the Lebanese than Americans do in Iraq and Afghanistan.

For example, they just cut the last line of aid shipment by bombing a highway going into Syria. Obviously, that was to prevent the flow of arms, but it also prevented the flow of food, blood plasma and medical supplies like band-aids. Israeli naval vessels are blockading the coast, preventing medical supplies and the like from getting in as well as guns and rockets. People are dying there, far too many people for it to be proportional to two kidnapped soldiers.

@DM, who posted while I was posting.

No, you didn't. And that's why I dislike Hezbollah, and I hope Israel owns them up the ass. But do I think that's going to happen? No. Because Hezbollah is too engrained in Lebanese society, too adept at putting itself places where getting it would mean killing a bunch of civilians, and quite frankly, Israel is displaying even less regard for the welfare of the Lebanese than Americans do in Iraq and Afghanistan.

For example, they just cut the last line of aid shipment by bombing a highway going into Syria. Obviously, that was to prevent the flow of arms, but it also prevented the flow of food, blood plasma and medical supplies like band-aids. Israeli naval vessels are blockading the coast, preventing medical supplies and the like from getting in as well as guns and rockets. People are dying there, far too many people for it to be proportional to two kidnapped soldiers.

Hezzbollah doesn't share the same concern about lebanese civilians that the israelis do.

They allowed a 48 hr ceasefire so civilians could get out...they've even dropped leaflets to warn people of impending air strikes. They've even dropped troops off behind hezz lines so they don't have to air strike the area, but then Hezz prevented the helos from landing, so they bombed the area anyways.

@DM, who posted while I was posting.

No, you didn't. And that's why I dislike Hezbollah, and I hope Israel owns them up the ass. But do I think that's going to happen? No. Because Hezbollah is too engrained in Lebanese society, too adept at putting itself places where getting it would mean killing a bunch of civilians, and quite frankly, Israel is displaying even less regard for the welfare of the Lebanese than Americans do in Iraq and Afghanistan.

For example, they just cut the last line of aid shipment by bombing a highway going into Syria. Obviously, that was to prevent the flow of arms, but it also prevented the flow of food, blood plasma and medical supplies like band-aids. Israeli naval vessels are blockading the coast, preventing medical supplies and the like from getting in as well as guns and rockets. People are dying there, [b]far too many people for it to be proportional to two kidnapped soldiers[b].

and did they actually admit to kidnapping the soldiers, or is this another CIA-initiated ploy to create an international incident big enough to justify Israel invading another country. The WMD card has been played, maybe they needed a new pretense.

Just speculating, of course...

Did I say Hezbollah was better than Israel? No. What I said was that the justification was too small to merit Israel's attacks. If the number of 2,000 Lebanese dead is to be believed, that's 1,000 people dead for one captured soldier. Even if we reduce that by a factor of ten, the ratio is still 100:1.

Obviously, Israelis have died since the beginning of the conflict, largely due to the Katyusha missile strikes. I do not suggest that Hezbollah is blameless in this situation, it has taken actions to increase civilian deaths. What I am saying is that I'm not convinced that Israel is acting in its own best interests.

Further, and to be politically cynical about this whole thing; it seems like the US government would be well served by saying that they didn't condone Israel's actions, blah blah, rather than towing the "Israel has the right to defend itself" line. No matter what the government itself believes, it seems as though it would go a long way to making the 'evil zionist empire' claims hold less water.

Don't know if the last bit was clear or not. Feh.... drunk.

and did they actually admit to kidnapping the soldiers, or is this another CIA-initiated ploy to create an international incident big enough to justify Israel invading another country. The WMD card has been played, maybe they needed a new pretense....I think.. Hezbollah says they destroyed a Tank, killed 8 soldiers .. and captured 2.

They say its retaliation for Israel Capturing/assassinating Hezbollha/Hamas operatives (in Lebanon, or other countries)..

They have proposed a prisoner exchange.
apparently Israel is not willing to give one of the prisoners in particular.

this whole bloody war.. is a decades long story of retaliation.. and counter-retalation.. and counter-counter-retaliation.. on an endless loop.

It can last 1000 years.

The #1 NationStates Jew-Crew Member is Happy.


Wait ... what is this "Jew Crew" and why was I not notified?

Wait ... what is this "Jew Crew" and why was I not notified?HAHA..

I was invited to join.. and you were not!!

Life is so unfair :D

Life is so unfair :D

Hehe ... meh. All I need is another clique. :p

They say its retaliation for Israel Capturing/assassinating Hezbollha/Hamas operatives (in Lebanon, or other countries)..

They have proposed a prisoner exchange.
apparently Israel is not willing to give one of the prisoners in particular.

this whole bloody war.. is a decades long story of retaliation.. and counter-retalation.. and counter-counter-retaliation.. on an endless loop.

It can last 1000 years.
So bring on the interventionists! Kick both of their asses at once, let them know their trivial little skirmishes need to stop and tell them to grow the hell up and play the game properly rather than brawl like a couple of preschoolers fighting over whose goddamned fire truck it is.

and did they actually admit to kidnapping the soldiers, or is this another CIA-initiated ploy to create an international incident big enough to justify Israel invading another country. The WMD card has been played, maybe they needed a new pretense.

Just speculating, of course...

Since the Hezbollah fighter they have in custody admitted he was in on the Kidnapping, the CIA was most definitely not involved.

I know that Jordanians are more or less similar ethnicity, but aren't Palestinians oppressed in Jordan?

They are the same ethnicity. The Jordanians have hated the Palestinians since teh 60s when Yassir Arafat and the PLO tried to overthrow the government.

this whole bloody war.. is a decades long story of retaliation.. and counter-retalation.. and counter-counter-retaliation.. on an endless loop.

It can last 1000 years.
And with people like you supporting the violence, it will.

And with people like you supporting the violence, it will.

Sad is it not? :(

And with people like you supporting the violence, it will.I am unwillingly supporting the violence.. Bush is using my income taxes to give planeloads of weapons to Israel..

Giving shitloads of weapons to Israel is like pouring gas into the fire.

I am unwillingly supporting the violence..

He finally admits that he supports Hezbollah ladies and gentlemen.

He finally admits that he supports Hezbollah ladies and gentlemen.Bush is giving shitloads of weapons to Hezbollah too?:confused:

Bush is giving shitloads of weapons to Hezbollah too?:confused:

Of course not. That would violate several laws in regards to giving support to terrorists. YOU admitted that you support Hezbollah however.

Of course not. That would violate several laws in regards to giving support to terrorists.:D Like if Bush cares about international laws.

:D Like if Bush cares about international laws.

Actually...he has enforced International Law. I do not see the Middle East caring about International Law.

YOU admitted that you support Hezbollah however.I support Lebanese right to Figth the Zionist invaders.. that includes Hezbollah.

I support Lebanese right to Figth the Zionist invaders.. that includes Hazbollah.

Seems to me that Hezbollah started this when they attacked Israeli soldiers in Israel. Why do you support that?

Actually...(Bush) has enforced International Law.WAHAHAHAHAHA..

thanks... I needed a goog laugh.

WAHAHAHAHAHA..

thanks... I needed a goog laugh.

Which International Law did he violate?

Why do you support that?I am exercicing my freedom of speech.. (I support this or that.. because I feel like it)Seems to me that Hezbollah started this when they attacked Israeli soldiers in Israel. Seems to me like this has started long before that.

Which International Law did (Bush) violate?too many to mention here.. but there is a shitload of old threads about this subject.. (Jolt search is your friend)

I am exercicing my freedom of speech(I support this or that.. because I feel like it)

So you support Hezbollah's illegal attack that started this whole affair?

Seems to me like this has started long before that.

I was not talking about the past. I was talking about when this current crisis with Lebanon started last month.

too many to mention here.. but there is a shitload of old threads about this subject.. (Jolt search is your friend)

In other words, you hvae no answer. Thanks.

I was not talking about the past. I was talking about when this current crisis with Lebanon started last month.See.. that is your problem.. you need a wider angle.

looking at the last 5 minutes of History is not going to do it.

In other words, you hvae no answer. Thanks.fine... if you must drag us there.. I will "answer".

Lets start with Guantanamo.

I support Lebanese right to Figth the Zionist invaders.. that includes Hazbollah.

I support anyone's right to fight against invaders ... within reason. Meaning: You don't send in everything you've got against guys with rocks. I do not support overkill nor the idea of "kill 'em all and let the Magic Sky Fairy sort 'em out".

Thus far, with this, I am on Hezbollah's side.

Were an equal measure meted out, my thoughts may be different. However, this is nothing less than Israel trying to unilaterally enforce its will on the soil of a sovereign nation just as the United States has done time and time again.

I've never supported any time the US has done it and I was born and raised here. Why should I support Israel when they do it? Or anyone, for that matter?

How is this conflict Bush's fault? Because America gives weapons to Israel? As if Bush is the ONLY one who has ever supported them.:rolleyes:

I'm behind Israel 100%. No one likes civilians dying (except terrorists like Hezbollah), but it's something that's unavoidable. Taking out Hezz is the only way you're gonna stop civilians from dying.

How is this conflict Bush's fault? Because America gives weapons to Israel? As if Bush is the ONLY one who has ever supported them.:rolleyes:

I'm behind Israel 100%. No one likes civilians dying (except terrorists like Hezbollah), but it's something that's unavoidable. Taking out Hezz is the only way you're gonna stop civilians from dying.

The IDF's top retards haven't worked outt hat even if they kill a bazillion hezbollah fighters, the relatives of the 60 bazillion civilians they also killed get radicalised.

The IDF's top retards haven't worked outt hat even if they kill a bazillion hezbollah fighters, the relatives of the 60 bazillion civilians they also killed get radicalised.
well then how do you suggest we deal with the problem?

well then how do you suggest we deal with the problem?One of the things we must do is: tell them we will stop sending Foreign Aid to the Middle East.. unless there is peace.

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Bush+happy

58 minutes ago
JERUSALEM (Reuters)

Israeli newspapers quoted political sources who said the Jewish state was largely happy with the draft resolution.

"We got what we wanted." the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper quoted a political source as saying.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060806/ts_nm/mideast_israel_dc_1;_ylt=AqqZNYgnUyJJNqYse_.15hUUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Sources: Yahoo/Reuters/OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: If Bush and Israel are so happy.. and "got what they wanted".. I must wonder.. if the other sides feel the same happyness.


Well, the other side wanted peace, didn't they?

If Hezbollah don't LIKE peace, ah guess we can send Israel some tangible help...

One of the things we must do is: tell them we will stop sending Foreign Aid to the Middle East.. unless there is peace.

So that we can have lots of POOR, HUNGRY and angry Middle Easterners?

That'll help...

Lets start with Guantanamo.

Nothing illegal about Guantanamo. Next.

I support anyone's right to fight against invaders ... within reason. Meaning: You don't send in everything you've got against guys with rocks. I do not support overkill nor the idea of "kill 'em all and let the Magic Sky Fairy sort 'em out".

Hezbollah illegally crossed into Israel, attacked an IDF military base, killed eight IDF soldiers and captured 2. So pray tell why you are supporting a terror group who have continuously lobbed rockets into Israel long before this current crisis came up?

Thus far, with this, I am on Hezbollah's side.

Nice to see you support a terrorist group who started this war.

I've never supported any time the US has done it and I was born and raised here. Why should I support Israel when they do it? Or anyone, for that matter?

Maybe because Israel did not start this crisis?

I'm confused. Sooo... you're complaining that Bush and Israel look favourably on the resolution for peace in Lebanon? Seems to me you're either a secret supporter of the war that wants it to continue to make Israel and the West look bad or insanely paranoid. NEWSFLASH: Sometimes, just sometimes, Israel's interests coincide with the interests of the rest of the world. Israel, contrary to popular belief, is not a state completely devoted to eating your children and burning down your house by any means possible.

NEWSFLASH: Sometimes, just sometimes, Israel's interests coincide with the interests of the rest of the world.

A specific example? I mean, this time they didn't, judging by Lebanon's reaction.

A specific example? I mean, this time they didn't, judging by Lebanon's reaction.

Did you expect a different reaction from Lebanon?

So that we can have lots of POOR, HUNGRY and angry Middle Easterners?

That'll help...any given sunday.. we have poor, hungry families in different parts of the World.. Most of the World is poor..

Yet most of my income taxes (Foreign Aid) goes to the Middle East.. I want my money to stop going there unless.. they can stop killing each other for a small piece of arabland.

Yet most of my income taxes (Foreign Aid) goes to the Middle East..

And you know this how? Care to back that up?

That comes as no suprise, especially because Bush and Israel are such good buddies. Bush hasn't been nearly as involved with Israel as other presidents in the past.

Israel only has its intrests in "reclaiming the 'Holy Land'", and securing oil trading with the United States. Israel doesn't have any oil to sell to the US.

The United States has its intrests in protecting foreign oil that Bush seems to think is given to them by god, or "Practicing gods will all over the US".

Either way, its about oil, not about peace.
That clearly demonstrates your ignorance about the subject. Israel doesn't produce oil, neither does Lebanon. It's about Hezbollah, a terrorist organization dedicated to killing Jews, Syrian influence in Lebanon, and Iranian political maneuvering.

... Sometimes, just sometimes, Israel's interests coincide with the interests of the rest of the world. Israel, contrary to popular belief, is not a state completely (devoted to War)looks to me that :

Most of their Time and Money (I should say my money) are spent on Killing and bombing their neigbors..

So -in my book- they are extremelly comited to War.

does not matter.. Both the Palestinean People and the Jewish people claim the same small piece of land.
Yes, but the Jews have already settled on it and aren't going to leave. The palestinians need to accept reality and negotiate for a separate Palestinian state or just keep antagonizing Irael and reaping their reward, poverty and death.

Most of their Time and Money (I should say my money) are spent on Killing and Figthing their neigbors..

Wanna back that up that they are using your money and yours alone for this?

And you know this how? Care to back that up?sure I can.. but even if I back it up you wll dismiss it..

Just Like you dismissed Guantanamo (it does break multiple international laws)...

sure I can.. but even if I back it up you wll dismiss it..

In other words, you can not back up the fact that most of your own tax money is supporting this. Nice to see you do not have a break down of what your tax dollars are being used for.

Just Like you dismissed Guantanamo (it does break multiple international laws)...

That is because it does not.

Yes, but the Jews have already settled on it and aren't going to leave. why dont you give me your adress.. so I can settle-on-it for a while.. ;)

Wanna back that up that they are using your money and yours alone for this?I never said the word "alone".. did I?
I am not the sole Income tax payer.

That is because it does not.denial.

I never said the word "alone".. did I?
I am not the sole Income tax payer.

Most of their Time and Money (I should say my money) are spent on Killing and Figthing their neigbors..

Check mate my friend.

In other words, you can not back up the fact that most of your own tax money is supporting this. Nice to see you do not have a break down of what your tax dollars are being used for. If you read my post S-L-O-W-L-Y .. You may figure what do I mean with the word "most".

But just in case you cant figure it.. i will spell it for ya.
It measn the Largest recipients of US foreign-Aid is the Middle east.
Most US Foreign Aid goes to that WarHole.

Most of their Time and Money (I should say my money) are spent on Killing and Figthing their neigbors..
If you cant read.. it is not my fault.

I am not going to interpret every single post for you.. I am not your babysitter.

If you read my post S-L-O-W-L-Y .. You may figure what do I mean with the word "most".

But just in case you cant figure it.. i will spell it for ya.
It measn the Largest recipients of US foreign-Aid is the Middle east.
Most US Foreign Aid goes to that WarHole.

HAHA! I needed a good laugh as this post flies in the face of what you have been typing.

HAHA! I needed a good laugh as this post flies in the face of what you have been typing.BTW.. "Warhole" was my second choice of word.. ;)

why dont you give me your adress.. so I can settle-on-it for a while.. ;)
You can try, but I don't like your chances.

If you cant read.. it is not my fault.

I am not going to interpret every single post for you.. I am not your babysitter.

Sticks and stones my break my bones but words will never hurt me.

Have you degraded to personal insults now?

any given sunday.. we have poor, hungry families in different parts of the World.. Most of the World is poor..

Yet most of my income taxes (Foreign Aid) goes to the Middle East.. I want my money to stop going there unless.. they can stop killing each other for a small piece of arabland.And you know this how? Care to back that up?Here is a Link that show where most of US Foreign-Aid goes.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=israel++foreign+aid

total US foreign aid to Israel
$5 billion = $13.7 million per day.

Egypt and Jordan get several Millions too.. I am willing to vote for the party/candidate willing to stop this insanity.

Have you degraded to personal insults now?I am not going to explain over and over again what do I mean.. "Most" is a very simple word.. most kids know what it means.

OD needs to just shut up. Does he realize that this resolution was one that even the French agreed on? Of course OD won't let the facts get in the way. He doesn't give a damn about facts.

Here is a Link that show where most of US Foreign-Aid goes.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=israel++foreign+aid

total US foreign aid to Israel
$5 billion = $13.7 million per day.

Egypt and Jordan get several Millions too.. I am willing to vote for the party/candidate willing to stop this insanity.
Then you should vote for the LIbertarian party. The Dems are with the Republicans on this.

*snip*

You are digging yourself a deeper hole here when you say my income taxes. How do you know that your income taxes goes there? For all you know, they could be going to the Department of Education.

So I will ask you again, what makes you think that YOUR INCOME TAXES, are being used primarily for the Department of State budget?

I am not going to explain over and over again what do I mean.. "Most" is a very simple word.. most kids know what it means.

If you are trying to get me angry, it is not working. How do you know that most of YOUR income taxes are going to foriegn affairs? You do not know that to be a fact.

does not matter.. Both the Palestinean People and the Jewish people claim the same small piece of land.

But the Jewish people have expressed a willingness to share the area with the Palestinians, whereas the Hamas's and the Hezbolla's primary reason for existance is to exterminate the Jews.

But the Jewish people have expressed a willingness to share the area with the Palestinians, whereas the Hamas's and the Hezbolla's primary reason for existance is to exterminate the Jews.

So why is Hezbollah seem to be hitting areas where Arab-Israelis live?

So why is Hezbollah seem to be hitting areas where Arab-Israelis live?
Because their rockets have limited range and are unguided. If they could accurately target areas where only Jews lived, they would.

Then you should vote for the LIbertarian party. The Dems are with the Republicans on this.Ok.. I shall vote for the Libs then.

Here is a Link that show where most of US Foreign-Aid goes.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=israel++foreign+aid

total US foreign aid to Israel
$5 billion = $13.7 million per day.

Egypt and Jordan get several Millions too.. I am willing to vote for the party/candidate willing to stop this insanity.You are digging yourself a deeper hole here when you say my income taxes. How do you know that your income taxes goes there? For all you know, they could be going to the Department of Education.

So I will ask you again, what makes you think that YOUR INCOME TAXES, are being used primarily for the Department of State budget?I am not your babysitter.

I am not your babysitter.

Naw. You're his bitch now.

Hey, come on! Don't you like PEACE and an end to the KILLINGS anymore?

But the Jewish people have expressed a willingness to share the area with the Palestinians, whereas the Hamas's and the Hezbolla's primary reason for existance is to (get their land back from the) Jews. Let me put it this way..

I forcefully take your house/car/property from you.. then I turn around and offer to share with you The backyard I just took from you.

Naw. You're his bitch now.Nah.. thats your Wife. :D ;) :D :D

I am not your babysitter.

And thank God because I had babysitters who were/are smarter than you.

You are not proving what I told you to prove.

Nice to see you support a terrorist group who started this war.


Meh ... call the Feds. *shrug*

You are not proving what I told you to prove.I did.. here I repost it for the 3rd time:

Here is a Link that show where most of US Foreign-Aid goes.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=israel++foreign+aid

total US foreign aid to Israel
$5 billion = $13.7 million per day.

Egypt and Jordan get several Millions too.. I am willing to vote for the party/candidate willing to stop this insanity.

Nah.. thats your Wife. :D ;) :D :D


You're laughing just like that Hezbollahi - 5 minutes BEFORE he saw the cluster bomb coming ;)

*plays the Ana bakrah Israel-'hit' for OceanDrive's benefit*

And thank God because I had babysitters ....Then.. ask them to interpret the posts you dont understand. ;)

*snip*

Ok now show me how where YOUR TAX DOLLARS are going. You are not showing me the break down of your very own tax dollars. I want to see how the break down on how the government uses your Tax Dollars. You have not shown me that at all.

Then.. ask them to interpret the posts you dont understand. ;)


Well, we don't understand the part where you promised to stop posting inaneties when the killin' was to stop - and now bitch that the peace isn't to your liking.


Maybe you were lying, wot?

You're laughing just like that Hezbollahi - 5 minutes BEFORE he saw the cluster bomb coming ;)

*plays the Ana bakrah Israel-'hit' for OceanDrive's benefit*actually.. I am laughing because I am wondering how you wife would feel about this.

actually.. I am laughing because I am wondering how you wife would feel about this.


Aha. Touch of necrophilia?

Ok now show me how where YOUR TAX DOLLARS are going. You are not showing me the break down of your very own tax dollars. I want to see how the break down on how the government uses your Tax Dollars. You have not shown me that at all.

Tax dollars go into a pot. If x% of that pot is spent on something then it is logical to assume that x% of what you put into the pot is going there.

Ocean doesn't want peace unless Israel is destroyed.

That's why Ocean doesn't think it's "fair" for Israel to fight back - after all, that makes it essentially impossible to destroy Israel. And isn't happy about peace or a ceasefire unless Israel is destroyed.

Israel is not only not destroyed at this point, but sitting in part of Lebanon. Freeze the war at this point, and subsequent negotiations will probably turn the border area into an international buffer zone under NATO control.

Here is a Link that show where most of US Foreign-Aid goes.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=israel++foreign+aid

total US foreign aid to Israel
$5 billion = $13.7 million per day.

Egypt and Jordan get several Millions too.. I am willing to vote for the party/candidate willing to stop this insanity.
You are not showing me the break down of your very own tax dollars.No. I am not showing you that. I want to see ...I dont care how much do you want to see it.. It is not gonna happen.

Let me put it this way..

I forcefully take your house/car/property from you.. then I turn around and offer to share with you The backyard I just took from you.

You mischaracterize the entire situation and have bought the lie. The area of Israel was NEVER part of any country called Palestine. The homeland of the Palastinians is in JORDAN. The area has also been the historical homeland of the Jewish people.

You stated they BOTH have claims to the area, and I concur, but as I said before. Israel is willing to live with the Palastinians, the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah and thier ilks SOLE reason for existance is to END the existance of Israel.

Tax dollars go into a pot. If x% of that pot is spent on something then it is logical to assume that x% of what you put into the pot is going there.

Actually that is not a logical statement to make as there are 300 Million Americans. Therefor, it would be alot less than most of his tax money that is going into the foreign policy budget.

Ocean doesn't want peace unless Israel is destroyed.

That's why Ocean doesn't think it's "fair" for Israel to fight back - after all, that makes it essentially impossible to destroy Israel. And isn't happy about peace or a ceasefire unless Israel is destroyed.

Israel is not only not destroyed at this point, but sitting in part of Lebanon. Freeze the war at this point, and subsequent negotiations will probably turn the border area into an international buffer zone under NATO control.


Dyou think we oughta make OceanDrive a poll-topic?

No. I am not showing you that.I dont care how much do you want to see it.. It is not gonna happen.

Good now I know you are lying then. Have a nice day.

Well, we don't understand the part where you promised to stop posting inaneties when the killin' was to stop - and now bitch that the peace isn't to your liking.What peace?
I do not see any peace.
Maybe you need to get in touch with reality.

Have a nice day.dont let the door hit you.. ;)

Actually that is not a logical statement to make as there are 300 Million Americans. Therefor, it would be alot less than most of his tax money that is going into the foreign policy budget.

I don't know the figures, hence the use of x.

What peace?
I do not see any peace.
Maybe you need to get in touch with reality.


And you don't want a peace either, do you?
Inasmuch as you know it's going to be of the Versailles-variety ;)


Ana bakrah OceanDrive

The area has also been the historical homeland of the Jewish people.Has been.
once upon a time..

I guess America belongs to the Natives too.. "has been"

Has been.
once upon a time..

I guess America belongs to the Natives too.. "has been"

Actually, Jews in numbers have always lived in the area.

Are you a fan of ethnic cleansing?

Looks like you are!

Actually, Jews in numbers have always lived in the area.If we had to create an Israel everyplace The Jews "lived" in-numbers..

Then we would have to create several dozen "Israels"..

I say we create one Israel in Europe and 2 In North America.. Should be enough to start.

If we had to create an Israel everyplace The Jews "lived" in-numbers..

Then we would have to create several dozen "Israels"..

I say we create one Israel in Europe and 2 In North America.. Should be enough to start.

They started there.

You mischaracterize the entire situation and have bought the lie. The area of Israel was NEVER part of any country called Palestine. The homeland of the Palastinians is in JORDAN. The area has also been the historical homeland of the Jewish people.

You stated they BOTH have claims to the area, and I concur, but as I said before. Israel is willing to live with the Palastinians, the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah and thier ilks SOLE reason for existance is to END the existance of Israel.

The homeland of a great deal of the Palestinians is the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Why is Israel there, might I ask?

They started there.So I guess a bunch of (let say 100 million) American Citizens have the Rigth to go back to Europe.. evict half of germany (or half of whatever other nation).. and create a New Country there.

The homeland of a great deal of the Palestinians is the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Why is Israel there, might I ask?

Hmm maybe because Jordan launched a war that they actually lost? Israel offered East Jerusalem plus 95% of the land back to the Palestinians. Why did not Arafat take that deal or offer a counter proposal?

So I guess a bunch of (let say 100 million) American Citizens have the Rigth to go back to Europe.. evict half of germany (or half of whatever other nation).. and create a New Country there.

Maybe they don't want to, because they found a better life here.

Jews, on the other hand, have been killed nearly everywhere they go, even when they go "home".

I'm sure you would be fine with just killing off the Jews - after all, you probably see them as the reason for every problem in the world, especially for Arabs. Why, if every Jew was dead, the Arabs would be a might nation..... NOT!

They would be having a Sunni-Shia nuclear war.

They started there.

So if any of these tribes:-

Chickahominy
Eastern Chickahominy
Mattaponi
Monacan Indian Nation
Nansemond
Pamunkey
Rappahannock
Upper Mattaponi

decided they wanted to move back to virginia, you'd just move aside and let them take your land? After all, they were there first.

http://indians.vipnet.org/tribes/index.cfm

So if any of these tribes:-

Chickahominy
Eastern Chickahominy
Mattaponi
Monacan Indian Nation
Nansemond
Pamunkey
Rappahannock
Upper Mattaponi

decided they wanted to move back to virginia, you'd just move aside and let them take your land? After all, they were there first.

http://indians.vipnet.org/tribes/index.cfm

If they have a UN resolution, arms and the ability to secure the territory, sure.

Hmm maybe because Jordan launched a war that they actually lost? Israel offered East Jerusalem plus 95% of the land back to the Palestinians. Why did not Arafat take that deal or offer a counter proposal?

They agreed to that and more at Taba, but Barak pulled out to campaign and Sharon won.

And whether Jordan won or lost does not justify the occupation, and the building of civillian colonies amongst a people, many of whom were already kicked out of their own country

If they have a UN resolution, arms and the ability to secure the territory, sure.

I wish you guys would stop using UN resolutions in your arguements. You only give a shit about them when they support your position.

In your original post, you never metioned arms or the ability to defend their territory, you simply said that it was theirs' by right because they started there. Don't tell me that because its your land we're talking about now you've all of a sudden changed your mind.

I wish you guys would stop using UN resolutions in your arguements. You only give a shit about them when they support your position.

And what about those of us who "gives a shit about them" regardless who they are against?

And what about those of us who "gives a shit about them" regardless who they are against?

They are not DK

And I've yet to see you calling for a military force to start bombing Israel untill they comply with the ones that they have ignored.

I wish you guys would stop using UN resolutions in your arguements. You only give a shit about them when they support your position.

In your original post, you never metioned arms or the ability to defend their territory, you simply said that it was theirs' by right because they started there. Don't tell me that because its your land we're talking about now you've all of a sudden changed your mind.

I'm not changing anything.

Maybe if you stopped conflating my arguments with everyone else's...

There were several concomitant success factors for Israel.

1. UK willing to do it.
2. UN going along with it.
3. Arms, money, willingness to fight, and knowhow.

It's pretty obvious for any student of military history of the past 50 years that Arabs suck mightily as soldiers. Especially Palestinians.

I'm not changing anything.

Maybe if you stopped conflating my arguments with everyone else's...

There were several concomitant success factors for Israel.

1. UK willing to do it.
2. UN going along with it.
3. Arms, money, willingness to fight, and knowhow.

It's pretty obvious for any student of military history of the past 50 years that Arabs suck mightily as soldiers. Especially Palestinians.

How was I conflating your argument, I responded to a single post by you?

All of the above is very nice except it skirts the question with out answering it. Would you simply step aside and allow a group of people you don't like take control of your land and enforce their own laws without a fight?

How was I conflating your argument, I responded to a single post by you?

All of the above is very nice except it skirts the question with out answering it. Would you simply step aside and allow a group of people you don't like take control of your land and enforce their own laws without a fight?
Oh, I get to fight. But I'm not going to "fight stupid and like a moron" like Arabs do.

No suicide bombers, no tank battles where one crippled enemy tank takes out 120 tanks on my side in a day of fighting, no days where my whole air force gets shot out of the sky in 72 hours, along with all of my SAM sites, no massive surrenders by hundreds of thousands of my own men...

the list of ignominy is too long to recount here, for Arabs defeated in modern battles - they couldn't even consoldiate their initial success in 1973.

"Losers always whine about how they did their best. Winners get to go home and fuck the prom queen."

Oh, I get to fight. But I'm not going to "fight stupid and like a moron" So.. how would you figth If you were Palestinean.

and

How would you figth If you were Lebanese.. How would you fight the occupation soldiers.

Oh, I get to fight. But I'm not going to "fight stupid and like a moron" like Arabs do.

No suicide bombers, no tank battles where one crippled enemy tank takes out 120 tanks on my side in a day of fighting, no days where my whole air force gets shot out of the sky in 72 hours, along with all of my SAM sites, no massive surrenders by hundreds of thousands of my own men...

the list of ignominy is too long to recount here, for Arabs defeated in modern battles - they couldn't even consoldiate their initial success in 1973.

"Losers always whine about how they did their best. Winners get to go home and fuck the prom queen."

So you support the aims of Hamas. I'm so pleased we sorted this out :)

"Losers always whine about how they did their best. Winners get to go home and fuck the prom queen."did you get to fuck the prom queen? or did you do your best?

So.. how would you figth If you were Palestinean.

and

How would you figth If you were Lebanese.. How would you fight the occupation soldiers.

If I had been Lebanon, I would have started by throwing out Hezbollah - then Israel would have had no argument with me, and no reason to invade. Period. Problem solved, and in complete agreement with UN resolutions.

If I were the Palestinians, I would have taken the peace agreement when I had the chance, instead of pissing it away. At least I could have had a chance at building an economy and building up some arms - something they can only do in a retarded fashion today.

They are a fucking joke, militarily.

did you get to fuck the prom queen? or did you do your best?
I've done three prom queens.

So you support the aims of Hamas. I'm so pleased we sorted this out :)
Nope, because Hamas does suicide bombers.

Sorry.

Nope, because Hamas does suicide bombers.

Sorry.

I said aims, not methods. You said that you would fight to remove the new owner of your land, that is what Hamas is doing. You say that you would use different methods but the aims would be the same.

It's pretty obvious for any student of military history of the past 50 years that Arabs suck mightily as soldiers. Especially Palestinians.

Having them on two enormous enclosed reservations without freedom to train or get training in from abroad tends to help them "suck". Hezbollah seem to be tough enough without the same constraints.


I've done three prom queens..

It only counts if they were conscious.

If I had been Lebanon, I would have started by throwing out Hezbollah - .then Israel would have had no argument with me, and no reason to invade. I knew you were desperate to kiss the asses of the occupation soldiers.

FYI Hezbollah was created after the Jewish occupation.

Having them on two enormous enclosed reservations without freedom to train or get training in from abroad tends to help them "suck". Hezbollah seem to be tough enough without the same constraints.

Speaking as someone who has trained a variety of Arab soldiers merely to shoot, I can tell you that has nothing to do with it.

It's a cultural inability to use a rifle as effectively as the average Westerner. Most of them are peculiarly ineffective in using rifles or tanks. The idea of "aimed fire" is essentially not part of their mentality.

Not that the amount of shooters is zero, but it's damned close.

Hezbollah was created after the Jewish occupation.

And they should have ended their operations when back in 2006 when Israel pulled out of Lebanon. They did not do so.

And they should have ended their operations when back in 2006 when Israel pulled out of Lebanon. (The Lebanese people does not want to kiss the Jewish ass..) The lebanese people does not Thrust Israel.

they will not disarm.

(The Lebanese people does not want to kiss the Jewish ass..) The lebanese people does not Thrust Israel.

they will not disarm.

Just thought I would quote this before you edit it.

Considering that Israel retreated from Lebanon, and disbanded the Christian militias in Southern Lebanon, what's not to like?

What, in your estimation, would make it possible to trust Israel, in regards to southern Lebanon?

Would you like for them to receive rocket fire without fighting back?

Would you like for them to welcome suicide bombers at the border with children and flowers?

What, pray tell?

It's a cultural inability to use a rifle as effectively as the average Westerner. Most of them are peculiarly ineffective in using rifles or tanks. The idea of "aimed fire" is essentially not part of their mentality.is it part of their mentality to claim victory only if they get to Fuck the Prom Queen?

(The Lebanese people does not want to kiss the Jewish ass..) The lebanese people does not Thrust Israel.

they will not disarm.

Hezbollah is obligated to disarm. All the other militias, both lebanonese and non-lebanonese did disarm. Hezbollah is the only militia that has not done so. Under 1559, they are to be disarmed.

Resolution 1559 was passed in 2004, two years before this crisis started and they have not disarmed. Instead, Hezbollah has attacked Israel time and time again using Katushya rockets.

It has nothing to do with trusting your neighbors.

What, in your estimation, would make it possible to trust Israel, in regards to southern Lebanon?for starters.. to keep their word.. whenever they say 48 hour truce.. and stop using silly excuses to use the Warplane bombings anyways.

is it part of their mentality to claim victory only if they get to Fuck the Prom Queen?

Well, they have this belief that even if they lose, and get killed, they get 72 virgins.

Now, how many of them made it back from there to verify that?

for starters.. to keep their word.. whenever they say 48 hour truce.. and stop using silly excuses to use the Warplanes bombings anyways.
It was pretty quiet until Hezbollah came into Israel and kidnapped two soldiers, and then started firing rockets into Israel.

You keep forgetting that, and keep forgetting 1559.

for starters.. to keep their word.. whenever they say 48 hour truce.. and stop using silly excuses to use the Warplane bombings anyways.

They did honor their 48 hour truce. Nice try though.

It has nothing to do with trusting your neighbors.trust is key..
They do not trust each other.. and they wont trust each other in 1000 years.. its hopeless.

trust is key..
They do not trust each other.. and they wont trust each other in 1000 years.. its hopeless.
Then step out of the way and let Isreal finish off Hezbollah.

That's technically possible.

They did honor their 48 hour truce. the Lebanse says they did NOT...

like I said.. they do not Trust Israel.. And this fake truce only confirmed that.

Then step out of the way and let Isreal finish off Hezbollah.Israel asked Bush 2 more weeks to finish.

trust is key..
They do not trust each other.. and they wont trust each other in 1000 years.. its hopeless.

Israel is prepared to live in peace with their neighbors. They have peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan to prove it.

Then step out of the way and let Isreal finish off Hezbollah.

That's technically possible.

No it isn't. :p

the Lebanse says they did NOT...

like I said.. they do not Trust Israel.. And this fake truce only confirmed that.

So you actually believe what the Lebanonese said?

No it isn't. :p
The Mongols killed more people in five days, and that was with swords.

All it takes is the appropriate level of ruthlessness.

Israel is prepared to live in peace with their neighbors. They have peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan to prove it.A judge in Egypt has declared that.. the treaty you are talking about.. is illegal (egyptian constitution or something)

So you actually believe what the Lebanonese said?

The lebanese believe it. To their perspective, Israel's agression is proving Hezbollah right.

A judge in Egypt has declared that.. the treaty you are talking about.. is illegal (egyptian constitution or something)

HAHA!! Now that is comedy.

The Mongols killed more people in five days, and that was with swords.

All it takes is the appropriate level of ruthlessness.

Yes, well the Mongols didn't leave anybody alive to replenish from, did they? :p

So you actually believe what the Lebanonese said?when they both (Jews and Arabs) say they do not trust each-other.. there is nothing to des-beleive. (there is no reason for them to lie)

Yes, well the Mongols didn't leave anybody alive to replenish from, did they? :p

They sacked Baghdad, and left only some Nestorian Christians and a few Jews alive. Everyone else was killed in 1254.

Then they rode up and down assaulting the castles of the Assassins, and wiped them out.

Very effective - the destruction of the Caliphate by the Mongols is something mentioned by Bin Laden as a grievous point in history for Islam.

when they both (Jews and Arabs) say they do not trust each-other.. there is nothing to des-beleive. (there is no reason for them to lie)

Funny. I have two treaties that say differently about the word trust.

They sacked Baghdad, and left only some Nestorian Christians and a few Jews alive. Everyone else was killed in 1254.

Then they rode up and down assaulting the castles of the Assassins, and wiped them out.

Very effective - the destruction of the Caliphate by the Mongols is something mentioned by Bin Laden as a grievous point in history for Islam.

There's never a barbarian horde around when you need one. ;)

A judge in Egypt has declared that.. the treaty you are talking about.. is illegal (egyptian constitution or something)HAHA!! Now that is comedy.Nah that Judge is rigth.. The Egyptian gov is Lame

You know what else is lame?
US taxpayers giving kickbacks (millions) to the Jordanian and Egyptian corrupted governing class.. on the condition they sign a peace treaty with Israel..

Pathetic comedy.

Funny. I have two treaties that say differently about the word trust.the NonProlification Treaty? :D :D ;) :D

Nah that Judge is rigth.. The Egyptian gov is Lame

Why? Is it because they actually made peace with Israel and got the Sinai Peninsula back after it was taken over by the Israelis during the Six Day War?Yea..how lame of Egypt to make peace and get land back :rolleyes:

You know what else is lame?
US taxpayers giving kickbacks (millions) to the Jordanian and Egyptian corrupted governing class.. on the condition they sign a peace treaty with Israel..

Pathetic comedy.

And this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

(The Lebanese people does not want to kiss the Jewish ass..) The lebanese people does not Thrust Israel.

they will not disarm.


Lebanon and Hezbollah are not one and the same.

Israel had no issues with Lebanon other than they were impotent in preventing Hezbollah from bringing in weaponry to threaten and to attack Israel.

the NonProlification Treaty? :D :D ;) :D
The treaty with Jordan and the treaty with Egypt.

Both unbroken by Israel.

the NonProlification Treaty? :D :D ;) :D

Actually it is the peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan.

The treaty with Jordan and the treaty with Egypt.

Both unbroken by Israel.

And unbroken by Egypt and Jordan too.

And unbroken by Egypt and Jordan too.
Yep.

Israel had no issues with Lebanon other than they were impotent in preventing Hezbollah from bringing in weaponry to threaten and to attack Israel.Its difficult for me to Bomb your house.. and at the same time say "I have no issues with you.. I just wanna kill the rabbits hinding underground"

Its difficult for me to Bomb your house.. and at the same time say "I have no issues with you.. I just wanna kill the rabbits hinding underground"

And your point is????

And your inane point is????If you do not get it..

you dont. (end of story)

If you do not get it..

you dont. (end of story)

And you wonder why people do not put stock into what you say. When asked to explain, you dodge.

And you wonder why people do not put stock into what you say. When asked to explain, you dodge.just today I explained you -4 times- what I mean... with the words "most US Foreign Aid goes to the Middle east"

I am tired of babyssiting you

And you wonder why people do not put stock into what you say. When asked to explain, you dodge.
I believe that the scenario is more like this:

Alleghany and I are neighbors.

Ocean rents from me, and lives in my basement.

Every once in a while, Ocean throws rocks at Alleghany's windows. Then smacks his kids. Slashes his tires. Because there are no real witnesses, Alleghany can't really get the police to come down and resolve anything.

So he talks to me. And I say, "he's a paying renter". So then it escalates.

Ocean kidnaps Alleghany's kid, and starts shooting at Alleghany's house.

Now, if it were me, I would go downstairs with a shotgun and end the whole thing.

But, in real life, Lebanon doesn't have any balls, and so in our little tale, Alleghany starts shooting back - and hits my house, and my car, and maybe my dog.

I'm really upset, yes. But I'm fucking pissed at Ocean for starting this crap from my basement.

just today I explained you -4 times- what I mean... with the words "most US Foreign Aid goes to the Middle east"

And yet, you were not talking about foreign aide but that the majority of your tax money is going there. Which I promptly debunked by pointing out that there are over 300 million people in this country who pay taxes. You have yet to prove that most of your taxes is going to foreign policy and I know that you can not prove it.

I believe that the scenario is more like this:

Alleghany and I are neighbors.

Ocean rents from me, and lives in my basement.

Every once in a while, Ocean throws rocks at Alleghany's windows. Then smacks his kids. Slashes his tires. Because there are no real witnesses, Alleghany can't really get the police to come down and resolve anything.

So he talks to me. And I say, "he's a paying renter". So then it escalates.

Ocean kidnaps Alleghany's kid, and starts shooting at Alleghany's house.

Now, if it were me, I would go downstairs with a shotgun and end the whole thing.

But, in real life, Lebanon doesn't have any balls, and so in our little tale, Alleghany starts shooting back - and hits my house, and my car, and maybe my dog.

I'm really upset, yes. But I'm fucking pissed at Ocean for starting this crap from my basement.

Ah thanks. And yep.

I'm really upset, yes. But I'm fucking pissed at Ocean for starting this crap from my basement.Next time.. install a web cam.. and call the Police.

Next time.. install a web cam.. and call the Police.
Sorry, here in Virginia, we don't wait for the police, nor are we required to.

just today I explained you -4 times- what I mean... with the words "most US Foreign Aid goes to the Middle east"

I am tired of babyssiting youAnd yet, you were not talking about foreign aide but that the majority of your tax money is going there.When Bush gives Foreign-aid.. he is using My Income-tax.. as well as all US citizens i-taxes.

this is explanation number 5.
Go buy yourself a clue.

Sorry, here in Virginia, we don't wait for the police, nor are we required to.Apparently Hezbollah and Israel do not want to wait for the police either.

Apparently Hezbollah and Israel do not want to wait for the police either.

Apparently, Israel got tired of waiting for the Police.

.. he is using My Income-tax..

Now prove that he is using your Income-Tax and yours alone.

Go buy yourself a clue.

I am not the one with the comprehension problem.

Apparently Hezbollah and Israel do not want to wait for the police either.

The only people who might be able to fake being the World Police are the Americans, who could, at great cost, forcibly separate the two parties.

No other country has that capability to project power in that way.

The UN certainly does not - even if the US did not veto the action.

Obviously, no one has been interested in enforcing 1559, which calls for the disarming of Hezbollah.

You can be sure that if there is an international force in southern Lebanon that actually is armed, they will force 1559.

It is solely because Hezbollah is still armed, still kidnapping, and still firing rockets that Israel invaded Lebanon. The sole reason.

I believe that the scenario is more like this:

Alleghany and I are neighbors.

Ocean rents from me, and lives in my basement.

Every once in a while, Ocean throws rocks at Alleghany's windows. Then smacks his kids. Slashes his tires. Because there are no real witnesses, Alleghany can't really get the police to come down and resolve anything.

So he talks to me. And I say, "he's a paying renter". So then it escalates.

Ocean kidnaps Alleghany's kid, and starts shooting at Alleghany's house.

Now, if it were me, I would go downstairs with a shotgun and end the whole thing.

But, in real life, Lebanon doesn't have any balls, and so in our little tale, Alleghany starts shooting back - and hits my house, and my car, and maybe my dog.

I'm really upset, yes. But I'm fucking pissed at Ocean for starting this crap from my basement.




Exactly. Somehow, Ocean fails to see the obvious.

When Bush gives Foreign-aid.. he is using My Income-tax.. as well as all US citizens i-taxes.

this is explanation number 5.
Go buy yourself a clue.Now prove that he is using your Income-Tax and yours alone.
what part of "as well as all US citizens i-taxes." You dont understand.


I am not the one with the comprehension problem.I think you need to see a doctor.
You really need help.

Next time.. install a web cam.. and call the Police.

And while you wait for the police to show up, your kids are dead. Good solution.:rolleyes:

what part of "as well as all US citizens i-taxes." You dont understand.

I do not care about the other American Tax Dollars. All I care about is yours and you have yet to show proof that ANY of your dollars is going to Foreign Policy.

I do not care about the other American Tax Dollars. All I care about is yours and you have yet to show proof that ANY of your dollars is going to Foreign Policy.LOL..

you actually expect me to post a Jpeg of my Income tax file? :D :rolleyes:

dude.. get your brain examined.. its an emergency.

LOL..

you actually expect me to post a Jpeg of my Income tax file? :D :rolleyes:

Since I know what an Income tax file is, I already know that none of that information is on there. So now that we have proven that you cannot prove that most of your income taxes to the government goes to the government, I would advise you cease and disist saying that it does.

dude.. get your brain examined.. its an emergency.

I am not the one advocating the violations of International Law.

So now that we have proven that you cannot prove that most of your income taxes to the government goes to the government, I would advise you cease and disist saying that it does.I guess..most(all) of my income taxes to the government go to the government. :D

BTW.. Who is "we".. I see only one lunatic asking to see my tax file.

Most(all) of my income taxes to the government go to the government.

I ment foreign Policy. Mistakes like that happen when you are typing fast.

Who is "we".. I see only one lunatic asking to see my tax file.

Well you did make an assertion that most of your (meaning yours and not the rest of the country) tax dollars is going to foreign policy. I just asked that you back that up knowing that you can not do so.

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back in 9h+

Well you did make an assertion that most of your (meaning yours and not the rest of the country) tax dollars is going to foreign policy. I just asked that you back that up knowing that you can not do so.meaning yours and the rest of the country.. assuming you are a working US citizen.

meaning mine and the rest of the Country.

meaning yours and the rest of the country.. assuming you are a working US citizen.

I have three jobs at the University I attend and I love all three of my jobs too.

meaning me and the rest of the Country.

Well you keep using the word my so I am not going to let you off the hook.

Well you keep using the word my so I am not going to let you off the hook.My taxes are being used to pay for bombs in the ME Wars.. there is no question about it.

My taxes are being used to pay for bombs in the ME Wars.. there is no question about it.

Now prove it?

Now prove it?I dont feel like proving anything to you.

But even If I ever wanted to prove it.. I am not about to post a Jpeg of my Income Tax declaration on the Net.. Get yourself a clue.

I dont feel like proving anything to you.

But even If I ever wanted to prove it.. I am not about to post a Jpeg of my Income Tax declaration on the Net.. Get yourself a clue.

You lose then. Not that you had a leg to stand on but that is beside the point.

Vote on the resolution could come as early as tomorrow. Any takers on what the vote will be?

looks to me that :

Most of their Time and Money (I should say my money) are spent on Killing and bombing their neigbors..

So -in my book- they are extremelly comited to War.

Perhaps Israel's focus on its military might have something to do with the fact that they are surrounded by hostile Arab states and terrorist groups who want to wipe them out?

You lose then. Not that you had a leg to stand on but that is beside the point.

Vote on the resolution could come as early as tomorrow. Any takers on what the vote will be?


Looks like the French will be deliriously happy with the resolution as well - they are the ones drafting it.