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Gauthier
03-08-2006, 00:49
What alternatives are there? A one state solution has more than a few similarities with Separate But Equal.

Raising the living standards of the Palestinians to the point where the average person on the street won't feel indebted to radical groups like Hamas would be a nice start. Look at Iran, where it's not a case of rampant poverty and desperation like in the Occupied Territories: The average Iranian doesn't really care about politicizing religion whereas the average Palestinian is caught in a slum cycle where they feel there's no way up by socially acceptable means, so they turn to groups like Hamas.
Trostia
03-08-2006, 00:51
No, I don't support Israel.
Gibraltarland
03-08-2006, 00:53
Raising the living standards of the Palestinians to the point where the average person on the street won't feel indebted to radical groups like Hamas would be a nice start. Look at Iran, where it's not a case of rampant poverty and desperation like in the Occupied Territories: The average Iranian doesn't really care about politicizing religion whereas the average Palestinian is caught in a slum cycle where they feel there's no way up by socially acceptable means, so they turn to groups like Hamas.

That could work if the money being used to fix living conditions was going to fixing living conditions. Under Fatah all donations to the PA went into their pockets; under Hamas into rockets.
Nodinia
03-08-2006, 11:25
Speaking as another well informed Israel supporter...

I support a two-state solution, provided the Palestinian State wasn't hostile to Israel. But that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.

Wasnt you I was thinking of, but a two state solution is the only viable one. And no, for whatever reason its not going to happen soon.
New Lofeta
03-08-2006, 12:31
I'll join, give me a number and I'll sig it.
WangWee
03-08-2006, 12:38
My mum says you guys can use my treehouse for meetings as long as it's before dinnertime.
Snoww
03-08-2006, 12:39
I support Israel.
Soviestan
03-08-2006, 15:27
Count me out. In fact pro-israel threads make me feel all dirty inside, Im leaving.
Kryozerkia
03-08-2006, 16:39
I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew"
I'm one of 'em Liberal Fence riders...

I'm a bitch. I believe we should just pull out all international troops and let the assholes blow each other up. They want to. Ceasefires and peacekeeping only delays the inevitable.

They need their own World War. It helped Europe.
RockTheCasbah
03-08-2006, 17:20
Sign me up.
MuhOre
03-08-2006, 17:29
Am Yisrael Chai Zonim! ;p

Sign me up. =)
R0cka
04-08-2006, 16:32
The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".



I support Israel.

But the NSG Jew Crew?

That's gayer than the LGBT Army!
Glorious Freedonia
04-08-2006, 16:37
I support Israel right, wrong, up, down, or sideways!
Anglo Germany
04-08-2006, 16:46
Sign Me up, tell me what number I am and I will join...

The Enemy of my enemy is my friend....
[NS::::]Komyunizumu
04-08-2006, 16:47
I strongly support Israel from the terrorists who attack it and the people on this forum who deny it's right to defense.

Right to defense? Is Lebanon part of Israel? No. This is no defensive act, its practically a declaration of war.
[NS::::]Komyunizumu
04-08-2006, 16:57
Conservatives in America started being more pro-Israel because of two things:

1) Establishment of the American special relationship with Israel.
2) The rise of politicised evangelical Christianity.

America is Pro-Israel because it has plenty of Jewish Bankers.
Infinite Revolution
04-08-2006, 16:58
I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.

:p
this is not a football game. both sides are fighting a war that must end, now.
R0cka
04-08-2006, 17:13
A list of people to watch out for. Thank you.

At least none of them brag about there number of posts.
R0cka
04-08-2006, 17:14
Komyunizumu']America is Pro-Israel because it has plenty of Jewish Bankers.

Mel?
Neue Neue Deutschland
06-08-2006, 16:28
Komyunizumu']America is Pro-Israel because it has plenty of Jewish Bankers.

It sounds like a fascist...
New Mitanni
06-08-2006, 18:26
What's the latest count up to?
Fartsniffage
06-08-2006, 18:29
*wonders what kind of resposne there would be to the setting up of an 'anti-jew crew?'*
Lunatic Goofballs
06-08-2006, 18:35
I don't support the government of Israel. I do, however, support the right of the Israeli people(and all people really) to coexist in peace with their neighbors.

Oh, and FYI, I'd be no more or less critical of Israel if it were owned and operated by Buddhists, Christians or atheists. I really don't care what invisible man you pray to. It doesn't give you a free pass to manipulate regional conflict as a political tool.
Nodinia
06-08-2006, 18:39
Well said that lunatic. Its Ironic that (a) they arent nesecarrily Jewish and (b) certain of their members have advocated death by torture, forced sterilisation, force-feeding of pork products and genocidal acts.
Gauthier
06-08-2006, 19:53
Well said that lunatic. Its Ironic that (a) they arent nesecarrily Jewish and (b) certain of their members have advocated death by torture, forced sterilisation, force-feeding of pork products and genocidal acts.

Which likely means that they are (A) Sociopathic Islamaphobes who are Bin Ladin and Ahmedinejad's Allahsend and/or (B) Evangelical Apocalyptics cheering on for The Second Coming.
DesignatedMarksman
06-08-2006, 20:06
*wonders what kind of resposne there would be to the setting up of an 'anti-jew crew?'*

Outright blatant anti semitism.
[NS:::]People of Iraqistan
06-08-2006, 20:17
Altough I don't completely agree with the war going on right now and the fact that both sides go a little too far sometimes, I must say Israel has my full-out support although I am myself not a Jew
Nodinia
06-08-2006, 20:20
Which likely means that they are (A) Sociopathic Islamaphobes who are Bin Ladin and Ahmedinejad's Allahsend and/or (B) Evangelical Apocalyptics cheering on for The Second Coming.


Or just more assholes with a war-boner.
DesignatedMarksman
06-08-2006, 20:22
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.Ultraextreme sanity
19. Si Takena
20. Europa Maxima
21. Congressional Dimwits
22. M3rcenaries
23. Admiral Canaris
24. New Mitanni
25. New Ausha
26. Bogmarsh
27. Hamilay
28. Neue Neue Deutschland
29. Deep Kimchi (<--How did you NOT see this thread sooner? SLACKER!)
30.Angermanland
31. Demon 666
32. The Atlantian Islands
33. Spano
34. Drunk Commies Deleted
35. Lesliana
36.New Lofeta
37. Snow
38. Rockthecasbah
49. Muhore
40.R0cka
41. Glorious Freedonia
42.Anglo Germany
43.People of Iraqistan
44. The American Privateer

New converts, err, members of the Jew Crew.


Welcome, m'lads!
Liberated New Ireland
06-08-2006, 20:25
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.Ultraextreme sanity
19. Si Takena
20. Europa Maxima
21. Congressional Dimwits
22. M3rcenaries
23. Admiral Canaris
24. New Mitanni
25. New Ausha
26. Bogmarsh
27. Hamilay
28. Neue Neue Deutschland
29. Deep Kimchi (<--How did you NOT see this? SLACKER!)
30.Angermanland
31. Demon 666
32. The Atlantian Islands
33. Spano
34. Drunk Commies Deleted
35. Bunny Ducks
36. Lesliana
37.New Lofeta
38. Snow
39. Rockthecasbah
40. Muhore
41.R0cka
42. Glorious Freedonia
43.Anglo Germany
44.People of Iraqistan

New crazies to watch out for, err, members of the Jew Crew.


Welcome, m'lads!
FIX'D for accuracy! :p
Bunnyducks
06-08-2006, 20:27
I suggest you take my name out of that list ASAP. Thank you.
DesignatedMarksman
06-08-2006, 20:37
I suggest you take my name out of that list ASAP. Thank you.

Didn't you say 'add me to the list'?
Bunnyducks
06-08-2006, 20:39
No. I did say 'take me out', though.
Gauthier
06-08-2006, 20:41
Or just more assholes with a war-boner.

And it's also disgenuous for them to call themselves "The Jew Crew" considering few if any of them are actually Hebrew. It's a cheap ploy that lets them label critics Anti-Semites.
The American Privateer
06-08-2006, 20:56
I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.

:p

Sign me up man, Israel doesn't deserve the PR war that is being raged against them, I would be glad to tell people to shut up and check the facts.
DesignatedMarksman
06-08-2006, 20:57
And it's also disgenuous for them to call themselves "The Jew Crew" considering few if any of them are actually Hebrew. It's a cheap ploy that lets them label critics Anti-Semites.

Anti semite!

:p
Gauthier
06-08-2006, 21:23
Anti semite!

:p

I rest my case.
CanuckHeaven
06-08-2006, 22:44
Well said that lunatic. Its Ironic that (a) they arent nesecarrily Jewish and (b) certain of their members have advocated death by torture, forced sterilisation, force-feeding of pork products and genocidal acts.
I would imagine that most respectable Jews wouldn't want any kind of association with this motley crew?
Meath Street
06-08-2006, 22:59
And it's also disgenuous for them to call themselves "The Jew Crew" considering few if any of them are actually Hebrew. It's a cheap ploy that lets them label critics Anti-Semites.
I don't like the name either, but I, as a dove, joined the group as fast as I could in the hope that it would not become simply a "war-hawk crew". I support Israel's right to exist, which is all that is necessary to be in this crew.
Ultraextreme Sanity
06-08-2006, 23:30
Or just more assholes with a war-boner.



hey baby come see this !!! I got this throbbing WAR boner just for you...yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !


Come back it wont hurt.....stop running ! .......Hmmmm new foreplay thing OK........WAR BONER WAR BONER ! HA HA HA ! ......come here ya little devil......heheheheheheehe ...you like WAR BONER ? dont be shy ....damm should have shut the window ......chicken ...afraid of a throbbing WAR BONER ???





All bow down bwfore the mighty WAR BONER !





****** BE SURE TO WEAR A WAR BONNET ON YOUR WAR BONER ********


Safety first !
Ultraextreme Sanity
06-08-2006, 23:32
Mel?





:D :D :D + 2
Ultraextreme Sanity
06-08-2006, 23:33
I would imagine that most respectable Jews wouldn't want any kind of association with this motley crew?
Motely crew is ok when they ARE NOT stoned out of their gourds .
Alexia1991
06-08-2006, 23:38
are you kidding me? a crew? seriously.. piss off! both sides are as bad as eachother! makin a crew? are you proud that you kil civilians? or parade POWs? get a life:upyours:
Eon8
06-08-2006, 23:39
are you kidding me? a crew? seriously.. piss off! both sides are as bad as eachother! makin a crew? are you proud that you kil civilians? or parade POWs? get a life:upyours:

OMG POLITYCAL ANALISIS

Well done, old chap.
Ultraextreme Sanity
06-08-2006, 23:39
are you kidding me? a crew? seriously.. piss off! both sides are as bad as eachother! makin a crew? are you proud that you kil civilians? or parade POWs? get a life:upyours:


I have a WAR BONER ...wanna see ??
Eon8
06-08-2006, 23:39
I have a WAR BONER ...wanna see ??

I do. Lemme see!
Ultraextreme Sanity
06-08-2006, 23:42
cant find the bandwidth ....just picture a MINUTEMAN MISSILE ...with a Indian headress on it .....Hooooooooorah !:D :D :D
Eon8
06-08-2006, 23:43
cant find the bandwidth ....just picture a MINUTEMAN MISSILE ...with a Indian headress on it .....Hooooooooorah !:D :D :D
:eek:
Kevlanakia
07-08-2006, 00:48
There are crazies on both sides who make sure the conflict will continue for ever. I pity the innocent who have to suffer the consequences.

I support people and their right to life. The whole conflict is just another senseless tragedy in the line of senseless tragedies that has followed human history.

Arab's aren't semitic, AFAIK.

They are.
DesignatedMarksman
07-08-2006, 01:11
are you kidding me? a crew? seriously.. piss off! both sides are as bad as eachother! makin a crew? are you proud that you kil civilians? or parade POWs? get a life:upyours:

You're killing my argument that western civlization is superior to the 3rd world...arr.....
A Lynx Bus
07-08-2006, 01:13
I support Israel and I'm an agnostic, is someone going to mug me?
DesignatedMarksman
07-08-2006, 01:13
I would imagine that most respectable Jews wouldn't want any kind of association with this motley crew?

We are the motley crew of hebrews....with war boners!

Even a 'respectable' jew in your eyes comes out in support of Israel. Difi, one of the most rabidly anti-gun Jews in the US actually came out and preached support for israel (By what, disarming them?). What a shocker!

http://www.zombietime.com/solidarity_with_israel/

I can't help but notice the bomb squad truck is parked a few feet away from the PRO-PALESTINIAN PEOPLE! :D What is wrong with that picture? Nothing....:p
DesignatedMarksman
07-08-2006, 01:14
I support Israel and I'm an agnostic, is someone going to mug me?

The jew crew membership card comes with free roadside assistance.

Not sure about mugging though....
DesignatedMarksman
07-08-2006, 01:16
hey baby come see this !!! I got this throbbing WAR boner just for you...yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !


Come back it wont hurt.....stop running ! .......Hmmmm new foreplay thing OK........WAR BONER WAR BONER ! HA HA HA ! ......come here ya little devil......heheheheheheehe ...you like WAR BONER ? dont be shy ....damm should have shut the window ......chicken ...afraid of a throbbing WAR BONER ???





All bow down bwfore the mighty WAR BONER !





****** BE SURE TO WEAR A WAR BONNET ON YOUR WAR BONER ********


Safety first !


:D

You made me laugh.

WAR BONER! ARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

Sausagefest! Warbonerfest!
A Lynx Bus
07-08-2006, 01:17
The jew crew membership card comes with free roadside assistance.

Not sure about mugging though....Jewish AAA? I guess that could come in handy.
DesignatedMarksman
07-08-2006, 01:54
Jewish AAA? I guess that could come in handy.

God is teh suck to his his people.
CanuckHeaven
07-08-2006, 05:46
We are the motley crew of hebrews....with war boners!
I think you missed my point? Extremism on either side of this issue is detestable. The object should be peace and the best method to achieve such a goal.

BTW, not all members of your "crew" are motley, as they simply signed on as supporters of Israel as per the OP. However, I have this sense that you take encouragement from the number of signees as being some sort validation for you to continue to peddle your hateful propaganda.
Ultraextreme Sanity
07-08-2006, 07:01
I think you missed my point? Extremism on either side of this issue is detestable. The object should be peace and the best method to achieve such a goal.

BTW, not all members of your "crew" are motley, as they simply signed on as supporters of Israel as per the OP. However, I have this sense that you take encouragement from the number of signees as being some sort validation for you to continue to peddle your hateful propaganda.


lets re-cap ..Hezbollah an illegal armed militia ( see UN resoulution 1559 ) , without the consent of lebenon , invades israel and kills eight soldiers and kidnaps two . Israel responds by attacking Hezbollah and its infastructure to stop the movement of the captured soldiers , Hezbollah responds by bombarding Israeli cities with rockets and missiles and mortars .
Israel responds by attacking Hezbollah and the infastructure that enables the delivery of weapons and the movement of supplies to and from the battlefield...Hezbollah gets TV coverage by hiding among the civilian population and the UN observers and then sscoots leaving the UN guys and the civvies to take the return fire , the world press reports the civvie casualties as if they are true ..although they get their info from Hezbollah , resulting in screwed up casualty figures that are corrected after staged demonstrations by Syria and hezbollah supporters have already taken the propaganda value and garnered some more support .
Whats lost is the fact that Israel was attacked ..uprovoked,,by an organization SWORN to the destruction of Israel as a state and the removal of jews from the middle EAST by what ever means ..this is in their charter and in their own words .;

So I think the only sane and fair thing is to support Israel , they are not looking for more land or conquest , they are not looking to destroy Islam or wipe any nation of the map . They are looking to be left alone and in peace .

I CANNOT SAY THE SAME OF THOSE THAT ARE ATTACKING THEM .
In fact hteir motives are the AVOWED DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH STATE .


So I have " Leave me alone I want to be left in peace ..lets talk .."

VS ..." FUCK YOU JEWISH PIGS DIE " Israel must be wiped off the earth..all JEWS must be REMOVED FROM PALESTINE or CONVERT TO ISLAM .
NO negotiations ...just move or die ..

Not only in actions BUT in words and not JUST terrorist and militia...BUT also the STATES of IRAN and SYRIA .

So I do the sane and fair thing and I SUPPORT ISRAEL .

Israel moves out of lebenon and talks peace..they get invaded from Lenbenon and bombarded....Israel moves out of the gaza strip they get invaded and bombarded...ISRAEL actualy works at peace...

They get invaded and bombarded.

So I see this and do the sane and fair thing and I SUPPORT ISRAEL .

Time to send another check . And call my congresspersons to be sure more Lawyers guns and money get sent to the good guys .


We have to be sure we give all the support Israel needs to eliminate the AGGRESSOR and the OBSTACLE to peace in the region.

Those that say Israel has NO RIGHT TO EXIST . cant be negotiated with ...only destroyed and / or made harmless .

BTW ...how do you start a negotiation with an organization or a state that denies you the right to even exist ?:rolleyes: Whats the starting point ..Ok we can live if ? :rolleyes:

Support the Israelis , let them clean out the rats nest and maybe we can get some good news. and some peace..besides we MUST be sure IRAN ... NEVER is allowed a Nuclear weapon .
Thats next on the agenda .
United Chicken Kleptos
07-08-2006, 07:32
"I don't trust... Jewish people."



Let's see who can get that...
East of Eden is Nod
07-08-2006, 08:11
lets re-cap ..Hezbollah an illegal armed militia ( see UN resoulution 1559 ) , without the consent of lebenon , invades israel and kills eight soldiers and kidnaps two . Israel responds by attacking Hezbollah and its infastructure to stop the movement of the captured soldiers , Hezbollah responds by bombarding Israeli cities with rockets and missiles and mortars .
Israel responds by attacking Hezbollah and the infastructure that enables the delivery of weapons and the movement of supplies to and from the battlefield...Hezbollah gets TV coverage by hiding among the civilian population and the UN observers and then sscoots leaving the UN guys and the civvies to take the return fire , the world press reports the civvie casualties as if they are true ..although they get their info from Hezbollah , resulting in screwed up casualty figures that are corrected after staged demonstrations by Syria and hezbollah supporters have already taken the propaganda value and garnered some more support .
Whats lost is the fact that Israel was attacked ..uprovoked,,by an organization SWORN to the destruction of Israel as a state and the removal of jews from the middle EAST by what ever means ..this is in their charter and in their own words .;

So I think the only sane and fair thing is to support Israel , they are not looking for more land or conquest , they are not looking to destroy Islam or wipe any nation of the map . They are looking to be left alone and in peace .

I CANNOT SAY THE SAME OF THOSE THAT ARE ATTACKING THEM .
In fact hteir motives are the AVOWED DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH STATE .


So I have " Leave me alone I want to be left in peace ..lets talk .."

VS ..." FUCK YOU JEWISH PIGS DIE " Israel must be wiped off the earth..all JEWS must be REMOVED FROM PALESTINE or CONVERT TO ISLAM .
NO negotiations ...just move or die ..

Not only in actions BUT in words and not JUST terrorist and militia...BUT also the STATES of IRAN and SYRIA .

So I do the sane and fair thing and I SUPPORT ISRAEL .

Israel moves out of lebenon and talks peace..they get invaded from Lenbenon and bombarded....Israel moves out of the gaza strip they get invaded and bombarded...ISRAEL actualy works at peace...

They get invaded and bombarded.

So I see this and do the sane and fair thing and I SUPPORT ISRAEL .

Time to send another check . And call my congresspersons to be sure more Lawyers guns and money get sent to the good guys .


We have to be sure we give all the support Israel needs to eliminate the AGGRESSOR and the OBSTACLE to peace in the region.

Those that say Israel has NO RIGHT TO EXIST . cant be negotiated with ...only destroyed and / or made harmless .

BTW ...how do you start a negotiation with an organization or a state that denies you the right to even exist ?:rolleyes: Whats the starting point ..Ok we can live if ? :rolleyes:

Support the Israelis , let them clean out the rats nest and maybe we can get some good news. and some peace..besides we MUST be sure IRAN ... NEVER is allowed a Nuclear weapon .
Thats next on the agenda .


That's rubbish. Israel started this war almost 60 years ago. This is not about Hezbollah or Israel racting to it, this is about an obscure religious group trying to make a state in a foreign land for over 100 years now. Every Arab and everyone in the entire world who has decency has a moral obligation to oppose Israel and its unsound religious and ideological foundation. Israel is the aggressor and the obstacle to peace in the region. And as you say it must be eliminated.

And BTW someone in support of Israel really should not refer to UN resolutions. That's rediculous.
Carisbrooke
07-08-2006, 10:24
Can't support a country that kills babies, old people and civilians. No matter who they are. Don't support my own country doing it so why should I support another doing it?

What is happening in The Lebanon is WRONG. People are dying and it needs to stop NOW, Israel is the major player in this and it needs to stop crying into its spilt milk and take the road that the UK took with the IRA, hard as it was.
Fartsniffage
07-08-2006, 16:27
Outright blatant anti semitism.

Why? You started this 'jew-crew' to support Israel and it's abhorrant actions, not to show solidarity with just jews. After all, it has been pointed out by Israels supports in many of the threads we've had here that muslims make up part of both the population and government of Israel and as such and opposition to the 'jew-crew' would make me anti-muslim as well as anti-semetic wouldn't it?

But hang on, I'm a liberal left-winger, so that means I must support terrorist and wish death on only the jews so our beloved muslims can have their land back, but that make no sense as I must also want some muslims to fail because I oppose this godawful 'jew-crew'.

Maybe you can help me out DM, I'm having trouble keeping track of all the things I'm accused of as a liberal. Please point me in the right direction so I can fully understand just where I'm going wrong.

Oh, and as this is a political group not a religious group your claims of anti-semetism are unfounded. After all, most controversial political groups have an anti-group, think anti-nazi league.
Allers
07-08-2006, 16:38
312
Where is the taboo
Fartsniffage
07-08-2006, 16:53
312
Where is the taboo

:confused:
Ultraextreme Sanity
07-08-2006, 20:31
That's rubbish. Israel started this war almost 60 years ago. This is not about Hezbollah or Israel racting to it, this is about an obscure religious group trying to make a state in a foreign land for over 100 years now. Every Arab and everyone in the entire world who has decency has a moral obligation to oppose Israel and its unsound religious and ideological foundation. Israel is the aggressor and the obstacle to peace in the region. And as you say it must be eliminated.

And BTW someone in support of Israel really should not refer to UN resolutions. That's rediculous.


Uneducated blather....

After the First World War and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, Palestine was placed under British mandate. At the time, 90% of the population was Muslim or Christian. But antisemitism in Europe, which had been on the rise since the late 19th century, led to an influx of Jews. Theodor Herzl had proposed a Jewish State at the first Jewish World Congress and eventually it was decided that this state was to take shape in Palestine (another option had been Argentina). In 1930, the British proposed a division of the territory between a Jewish and an Arab State. In May 1945, however, the Jewish Agency demanded a Jewish State in an 'undivided and undiminished' Palestine. When the British didn't comply, some Jewish started using violence. In response, the British strengthened their forces and tried to stop the Jewish influx, but this was met with little international approval and finally the British decided to leave and handed the problem over to the United Nations.

The United Nations, the successor to the League of Nations, attempted to solve the dispute between the Jews and Arabs in Palestine. On May 15, 1947 the UN appointed a committee, the UNSCOP, composed of representatives from eleven states. To make the committee more neutral, none of the Great Powers were represented. After spending three months conducting hearings and general survey of the situation in Palestine, UNSCOP officially released its report on August 31. A majority of nations (Canada, Czechoslovakia, Guatemala, Netherlands, Peru, Sweden, Uruguay) recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish states, with Jerusalem to be placed under international administration. A minority (India, Iran, Yugoslavia) supported the creation of a single federal state containing both Jewish and Arab constituent states. Australia abstained.

On November 29, the UN General Assembly voted 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions, in favor of the Partition Plan, while making some adjustments to the boundaries between the two states proposed by it. The division was to take effect on the date of British withdrawal. Both the United States and Soviet Union agreed on the resolution. In addition, pressure was exerted on some small countries by Zionist sympathizers in the United States.[1]


██ In favor

██ Abstained

██ Against

██ AbsentThe 33 countries that voted in favor of the partition, as set by UN resolution 181: Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Belarus, Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, South Africa, Ukraine, United States, USSR, Uruguay, Venezuela.

The 13 countries that voted against UN Resolution 181: Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

The ten countries that abstained: Argentina, Chile, Republic of China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom, Yugoslavia.

One state was absent: Thailand.

Following the adoption of the plan, Arab countries proposed to query the International Court of Justice on the competence of the General Assembly to partition a country against the wishes of the majority of its inhabitants (it would place 36% of the Arabs inside the Jewish state. This was narrowly defeated. [2]

Meeting in Cairo in November and December of 1947, the Arab League then adopted a series of resolutions aimed at a military solution to the conflict.

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The division
The land allocated to the Arab state consisted of all of the highlands, except for Jerusalem, plus one third of the coastline. The highlands contained no large bodies of standing water and were relatively secure from malaria, allowing a substantial permanent population to exist.

The Jewish state was to receive 55% of Mandatory Palestine. In the north, this area included three fertile lowland plains -- the Sharon on the coast, the Jezreel Valley and the upper Jordan Valley. All three were extremely fertile in 1947, but were largely uninhabitable before 1900 due to silting caused by deforestation. The resulting marshes allowed mosquitos to breed, but also made potential farmland available to Jewish settlers. (Mark Twain's travel journal, Innocents Abroad contains a vivid description of malaria in Palestine in the 1870's.)

The bulk of the proposed Jewish State's territory, however, consisted of the Negev Desert. The desert was not suitable for agriculture, nor for urban development at that time. The Jewish state was also given sole access to the Red Sea and the Sea of Galilee (the largest source of fresh water in Palestine). The land allocated to the Jewish state was largely made up of areas in which there was a significant Jewish population (Map of population distribution). Palestine's land surface was approximately 26,300 km², of which about one third was cultivable. The land in Jewish possession had risen from 456 km² in 1920 to 1,393 km² in 1945 (Khalaf, 1991, pp. 26-27) and 1,850 km² by 1947 (Avneri p. 224).

Regarding the Arab ownership, the MidEast Web states "At the time of partition, slightly less than half the land in all of Palestine was owned by Arabs, slightly less than half was "crown lands" belonging to the state, and about 8% was owned by Jews or the Jewish Agency." [1] The precise amount of land owned by local Arabs and the state has been subject to considerable dispute as the Ottoman Empire did not maintain an accurate land registration system and many land claims consisted of little more than contracts between private parties that may or may not have been based on actual possession.

Much of the Jewish population, especially in rural areas, lived on land leased from Arab owners.


The Jewish population was concentrated in settlement areas in 1947. The borders were drawn to encompass them, placing most of the Jewish population in the Jewish state. (Map reflects Jewish owned land not the size and number of settlements. It does not imply that only Jews lived here or that all other land was owned or exclusively populated by Arabs.) State of Israel
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The UN General Assembly made a non-binding recommendation for a three-way partition of Palestine into a Jewish State, an Arab State and a small internationally administered zone including the religiously significant towns Jerusalem and Bethlehem. The two states envisioned in the plan were each composed of three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads. The Jewish state would receive the Coastal Plain, stretching from Haifa to Rehovot, the Eastern Galilee (surrounding the Sea of Galilee and including the Galilee panhandle) and the Negev, including the southern outpost of Umm Rashrash (now Eilat). The Arab state would receive the Western Galilee, with the town of Acre, the Samarian highlands and the Judean highlands, and the southern coast stretching from north of Isdud (now Ashdod) and encompassing what is now the Gaza Strip, with a section of desert along the Egyptian border. The UNSCOP report placed the mostly-Arab town of Jaffa, just south of Tel Aviv, in the Jewish state, but it was moved to form an enclave part of the Arab State before the proposal went before the UN.

The plan was a compromise position based on two other plans.

The plan tried its best to accommodate as many Jews as possible into the Jewish state. In many specific cases, this meant including areas of Arab majority (but with a significant Jewish minority) in the Jewish state. Thus the Jewish State would have an overall large Arab minority. Areas that were sparsely populated (like the Negev), were also included in the Jewish state to create room for immigration in order to relieve the "Jewish Problem".



argue with the facts if you can .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan



In the years immediately following WWII, the British position in Palestine was made increasingly difficult. The ban on Jewish immigration by the British, despite rising persecution in Europe, led to the Biltmore declaration of 1942, in which Zionist Leader David Ben Gurion made explicit the Zionist goal of an independent state in Palestine, in order to ensure the right of free immigration. The military arm of the Zionist movement was the Hagannah, an underground army formed to defend against Arab riots. In 1938, the dissidents broke away and began forming their own underground groups, the Irgun and later the Lehi. The Irgun directed terrror against Arabs, while the Lehi at first confined itself to fighting British imperialism by terror.

During the war, the Palmach, a special Hagganah unit was formed to prepare for a possible invasion from Syria, controlled by the Vichy French. During most of the war the Haganah and Palmach cooperated with the British. For a time in fact, especially during the "season’ in 1944, the Hagganah and Palmach were actively engaged in rounding up Irgun and Lehi members. However, after the war all the Jewish military groups became active in fighting the British. The Hagganah organized numerous attempts at illegal Jewish immigration, to bring the 250,000 refugees living in European DP camps to Palestine in whatever boats they could find. The violence between Arabs and Jews also escalated. The British, who were in any event in the process of parting from an empire they could no longer afford, notified the United Nations that they would be departing Palestine no later than August 1948.

After considerable debate, the United Nations General Assembly decided on partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem to be an internationalized city. The plan enjoyed the warm support of the Soviet Union and its Eastern European satellite governments. Josef Stalin hoped that the new Jewish state would be a bulwark against British imperialism. Owing to the support of President Truman, and despite State Department advice and Department of Defense pressure, the United States likewise supported the partition plan, and ensured its passage.

Meeting in Lake Success N.Y. November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly approved the partition plan, with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions and one absent (see list at end of document).

The Palestinians and Arabs felt that it was a total injustice to ignore the rights of the majority of the population of Palestine. The Arab League and Palestinian institutions rejected the partition plan, and formed volunteer armies that infiltrated into Palestine beginning in December of 1947.

The map shows the boundaries of the partition, as finally approved. The original plan proposed by the majority in September 1947 (shown on some maps on the Web as the "partition plan" and given in this detail Map) gave the Arab town of BirSaba (Beersheba) to the Jewish state. The US State Department tried to detach the entire Negev from the Jewish state. A compromise, following the intervention of Haim Weizmann with President Truman, gave Beersheba and the city of Yaffo to the Arab state.

An outline map that may be clearer than the one at right is shown here.

Resolution 181 also declared Jerusalem to be a corpus separatum - a separate body, to be run under an international UN administration. The area to be run in this way included all of Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Beit Sahour, to encompass the Christian holy sites. A map of the proposed areas is shown here. The status of Jerusalem as a corpus separatum was reiterated in UN General Assembly Resolution 303 of December 9, 1949, even though the UN supervised armistice agreements determined that Jerusalem would remain divided between Jordan and Israel.

Ami Isseroff

http://www.mideastweb.org/181.htm
Nodinia
07-08-2006, 21:14
Uneducated blather....

argue with the facts if you can .



Whats this? Drown argument in seas of cut and paste? What the fuck happened to the idea of a short extract or two and a fucking link? You've been whacking in huge blocks of text.
Nodinia
07-08-2006, 21:17
We are the motley crew of hebrews....with war boners!



Firstly not everybody on that list is Jewish, and those that do may consider their postion when they see one of the "force feed them pork""sterilise them""nuke them" statements their 'co-crew' members spout.
Wolfensland
08-08-2006, 01:09
Once again, i'm a F'ing pagan but i still support Israel, and no matter what you say, i'm still going to support 'em. Why? I have my reasons, and i believe that everyone else who support or not Israel has theirs (yeah, i'm a war monger...And don't try saying that i've never been to one). Plus, those Hezbollah guys ought to die!
IDF
08-08-2006, 06:44
That's rubbish. Israel started this war almost 60 years ago. This is not about Hezbollah or Israel racting to it, this is about an obscure religious group trying to make a state in a foreign land for over 100 years now. Every Arab and everyone in the entire world who has decency has a moral obligation to oppose Israel and its unsound religious and ideological foundation. Israel is the aggressor and the obstacle to peace in the region. And as you say it must be eliminated.

And BTW someone in support of Israel really should not refer to UN resolutions. That's rediculous.
Ladies and Gentelmen, this is what happens if you spend your time at stormfront. It creates Nazis like East of Eden


There will be no peace until the Jews have all returned to where they came from.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408652&postcount=8


Of course there will never be peace. As soon as one "enemy" is beaten, the Jews will find a new one. Jews have always defined themselves through their enmity to others. That's also the purpose of the Tanaach.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408671&postcount=11

All Jews are religious fundamentalists. Of course there is no Jewish race, but a ideologically driven group of people who have always believed to be something special
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408692&postcount=17

You are right. Judaism is bigotry
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408711&postcount=21

Jews aren't a people. They are a religious group.
And of course there is ant-Jewish sentiment among the Arab world. There has been anti-Jewish sentiment everywhere Jews have lived ever since Jews existed.
So if one kid always stirs trouble, is it the other kids' fault?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11434497&postcount=147


It's more than that. The UN have simply realized that they have allowed statehood to an evil religious group and that this is an error that needs correction.http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11416869&postcount=65

The fact of the matter is that Israel has always been a terrorist state ever since its articifial creation. But what does one expect? Judaism is an unenlightened aggressive ideology after all.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11395352&postcount=195

What does the Munich incident have to do with any god? In Munich some Palestinians were only paying back some of the cruelty imposed on entire Palestine by the intruding Jews. Zionism has someting to to with the onedimensional Jewish view on god and their alleged covenant with a god, but not the Munich incident. You seem to forget what Israel had done just prior to 1972. And "Wrath of God" and the Israeli impudence to name their revenge thus should be the reason why you don''t anylonger believe in god, especially the Jewish god. The Palestinians have every right to defend themselves and hurt Israel in every way they can.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11366744&postcount=4

You want aggressive gods? Then go for the Jewish god: most arrogant, ignorant, jealous, and aggressive god of all...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11366673&postcount=90


Jews launched an aggressive offensive against the Palestinians by coming to Palestine in the first place. Palestinians are only defending their ancestral land. There were always Jews in Palestine and that's OK. But what happened since the end of Ottoman rule in the province of Palestine due to the irresponsible and ideologically driven influx of foreign Jews is not OK.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11258727&postcount=697
Ultraextreme Sanity
08-08-2006, 07:40
Whats this? Drown argument in seas of cut and paste? What the fuck happened to the idea of a short extract or two and a fucking link? You've been whacking in huge blocks of text.


you HAVE to be joking...thats the text of the UN partition of israel 1947 along with the history surrounding it...


It seems a whole lot of posters in this thread are ignorant of the facts...so I presented them.

Now they can argue facts , instead of made up bullshit and misconceptions .

Why are you suprised they do not know their history ?????

You've been around long enough to know better ..:D
Meath Street
09-08-2006, 01:48
Ladies and Gentelmen, this is what happens if you spend your time at stormfront. It creates Nazis like East of Eden

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408652&postcount=8

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408671&postcount=11

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408692&postcount=17

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408711&postcount=21

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11434497&postcount=147

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11416869&postcount=65

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11395352&postcount=195

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11366744&postcount=4

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11366673&postcount=90
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11258727&postcount=697
IDF has found the NS representation of Drunk Mel Gibson!
Meath Street
09-08-2006, 01:53
We are the motley crew of hebrews....with war boners!
Speak for yourself. Anyone who has a boner for war needs to go fight in one.

I'm not Hebrew either.

And don't you see something wrong in trying to find sexual fulfilment in violence? Jesus leads us to transcend our violent and sexually reckless instincts so that we may be saved.

Rant over.
IDF
09-08-2006, 02:28
IDF has found the NS representation of Drunk Mel Gibson!
He's worse than Mel GIbson because East of Eden is sober (at least I assume he is).
Dobbsworld
09-08-2006, 02:29
don't you see something wrong in trying to find sexual fulfilment in violence? Jesus leads us to transcend our violent and sexually reckless instincts so that we may be saved.
Good for Mr. Christ of Nazareth. Though the bit about 'sexually reckless instincts' strikes me as questionable. Makes Hayzoose out to be a little too overly concerned with the contents of other peoples' pants to be considered entirely credible. I'll scratch that part up to an apostle with adequacy issues.

Other than that, lovely.
DesignatedMarksman
16-08-2006, 06:32
Speak for yourself. Anyone who has a boner for war needs to go fight in one.

I'm not Hebrew either.

And don't you see something wrong in trying to find sexual fulfilment in violence? Jesus leads us to transcend our violent and sexually reckless instincts so that we may be saved.

Rant over.

Dude it was a joke, humour. You didn't get it, I apologize. My bad though, I didn't put a smiley in.
DesignatedMarksman
16-08-2006, 06:34
Firstly not everybody on that list is Jewish, and those that do may consider their postion when they see one of the "force feed them pork""sterilise them""nuke them" statements their 'co-crew' members spout.

Well, only if they are AQ agents/foot soldiers, and I Somehow doubt that's the entire Arab world.
DesignatedMarksman
16-08-2006, 06:37
I think you missed my point? Extremism on either side of this issue is detestable. The object should be peace and the best method to achieve such a goal.

BTW, not all members of your "crew" are motley, as they simply signed on as supporters of Israel as per the OP. However, I have this sense that you take encouragement from the number of signees as being some sort validation for you to continue to peddle your hateful propaganda.

CH,

This whole Jew Crew thing is a token of support for Israel in it's fight against Hezbollah.

The names were meant to be funny, because, well, most of us couldn't go out there and go hand-to-hand with Hezbollah ourselves, so we resign ourselves to supporting them in anyway possible.

It's always been my thought that getting repeatedly bombed and taken down a few eras has a calming effect on the "It's our divine right to rule the world" types. Color me hateful, I'll call you a bushbeater.
DesignatedMarksman
20-08-2006, 03:03
A list of Jew Crew approved business....

Caterpillar

Hebrew National

Colt

IMI

Winchester

Working on more...
Malkyer
26-08-2006, 19:50
Not a Jew, but I'm a definite Zionist and supporter of Israel's right to exist and their right to defend themselves from terrorist attacks.

Sign me up.
Yesmusic
26-08-2006, 20:16
To the OP,

It depends on what you mean by "supporting Israel". I don't support the Israeli government destroying the south of Lebanon and pissing all over the country's infrastructure and economy. I definitely do support Israel's right to exist, however, and hope that they and other parties can find a way to halt Hezbollah's terrorist-style tactics. These two statements are not mutually exclusive.
Andaluciae
26-08-2006, 20:31
A list of Jew Crew approved business....

Hebrew National



So goooooooooood! And with Cleveland Stadium Mustard, wow, there's not much in the world like it.
Gauthier
27-08-2006, 04:44
Oh, and let's not forget that the "Jew Crew" is short by one Empress_Suiko, who committed spectacular forum suicide by declaring her desire [to paraphrase] to make sweet, sweet love to black people over and over again.

:D
The Atlantian islands
27-08-2006, 04:50
A list of Jew Crew approved business....

Caterpillar

Hebrew National

Colt

IMI

Winchester

Working on more...

Glock?
Edwardis
27-08-2006, 16:30
I wholeheartedly support Israel, though they have done a few things that make me cringe. Just as the United States has, but I still suppport her with great zeal, the zeal is just considerably less when considering some of the leaders of both nations.
New Burmesia
27-08-2006, 16:40
Don't these threads ever die, like they damn well should?
Allers
27-08-2006, 16:58
Don't these threads ever die, like they damn well should?
looks like you just bump into it.
German Nightmare
27-08-2006, 17:21
While I have always supported Israel and always will, I won't ever become part of the NSG jewcrew, nor will I stop voicing my opinion or criticism when Israel overdoes it in its actions, like they recently have.

Their last military adventure has not solved, nor improved anything - but they are a befriended nation, just like the U.S. are - and even if you don't always agree with your friends or allies, the still stay your friends and allies.

That said, it is the very basis of friendship that you can trust your friends to speak up when you're about to do something stupid that could lead to harm.
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 17:30
Oh, and let's not forget that the "Jew Crew" is short by one Empress_Suiko, who committed spectacular forum suicide by declaring her desire [to paraphrase] to make sweet, sweet love to black people over and over again.

:D

Are they circumsized?

Shouldn't be a problem.

I wholeheartedly support Israel, though they have done a few things that make me cringe. Just as the United States has, but I still suppport her with great zeal, the zeal is just considerably less when considering some of the leaders of both nations.


Welcome!

Don't these threads ever die, like they damn well should?

Thanks to people like you, NEVER!
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 17:39
I am now maintaining the Jew Crew membership list.

1. Captain Pooby
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.Ultraextreme sanity
19. Si Takena
20. Europa Maxima
21. Congressional Dimwits
22. M3rcenaries
23. Admiral Canaris
24. New Mitanni
25. New Ausha
26. Bogmarsh
27. Hamilay
28. Neue Neue Deutschland
29. Deep Kimchi (<--How did you NOT see this? SLACKER!)
30.Angermanland
31. Demon 666
32. The Atlantian Islands
33. Spano
34. Drunk Commies Deleted
35. Lesliana
36.New Lofeta
37. Snow
38. Rockthecasbah
39. Muhore
40.R0cka
41. Glorious Freedonia
42.Anglo Germany
43.People of Iraqistan
44. Edwardis

New members of the Jew Crew.


Welcome, m'lads!

For those who are asking, yes, the Palistinians and the Lebanese already have their own 'crews'.
Bunnyducks
27-08-2006, 17:52
I will say this again, as it seems like you didn't get it the first time: remove my nick from that list of yours. I don't want to be associated in any way with your posse. Thank you.
Politeia utopia
27-08-2006, 17:54
I am now maintaining the Jew Crew membership list.
Crews like this only serve to sever the distinction between the acts of the state of Israel and being Jewish. Moreover as many on this list while not Jewish, take very tough stances on other issues as well, stupid people might well equal these people with Jews, thereby increasing anti-Semitism.

Jews are as diverse as Muslims, Christians, Iranians and Americans… Why anyone would want to pile them together and stigmatize all by using the name Jew crew for a partly-Jewish group of Israeli-policy-supporters is beyond me.

I consider the name of this "crew' appalling and hereby voice my hope that those that have entered into this anti-Semitic club reconsider.

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I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone, but this is no joking matter…
Captain pooby
27-08-2006, 18:10
Crews like this only serve to sever the distinction between the acts of the state of Israel and being Jewish. Moreover as many on this list while not Jewish, take very tough stances on other issues as well, stupid people might well equal these people with Jews, thereby increasing anti-Semitism.

Jews are as diverse as Muslims, Christians, Iranians and Americans… Why anyone would want to pile them together and stigmatize all by using the name Jew crew for a partly-Jewish group of Israeli-policy-supporters is beyond me.

I consider the name of this "crew' appalling and hereby voice my hope that those that have entered into this anti-Semitic club reconsider.

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I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone, but this is no joking matter…

Jews are a diverse bunch? No kidding. The JC represents that-there are liberals, conservatives, blacks,whites, Jews, Christians, etc. They say in Israel that where there are 2 jews there are 3 opionions.

If you are Jewish, what goes on in the ME affects you. Have you not heard what hezzbollah has been saying? Or most of the Arab world, for that matter? "Kill all the jews!"

Seeing as how ALL the members here have pledged their support for the Jewish State of Israel (it's a condition of acceptance into this secretive club), I find it hard to beleive they are, in anyway (If Oceandrive ever joins, he's the exception) Anti-semetic.
New Stalinberg
27-08-2006, 18:16
Crews like this only serve to sever the distinction between the acts of the state of Israel and being Jewish. Moreover as many on this list while not Jewish, take very tough stances on other issues as well, stupid people might well equal these people with Jews, thereby increasing anti-Semitism.

Jews are as diverse as Muslims, Christians, Iranians and Americans… Why anyone would want to pile them together and stigmatize all by using the name Jew crew for a partly-Jewish group of Israeli-policy-supporters is beyond me.

I consider the name of this "crew' appalling and hereby voice my hope that those that have entered into this anti-Semitic club reconsider.

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I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone, but this is no joking matter…


Would you mind telling me how it's Anti-Simetic if I can respect the Jewish faith and the nation of Israel?
Politeia utopia
27-08-2006, 18:38
Would you mind telling me how it's Anti-Simetic if I can respect the Jewish faith and the nation of Israel?

That is indeed not anti-Semitic, you are in your right to support Israel. And it cannot be anti-Semitic to respect Judaism.

However to equate Israeli policies, with Judaism is indeed a mistake. This crew implicitly states that those who support the policies of Israel are Jews, and those that are Jew support the policies of Israel.

This ofcourse is not the case

For example:
When I say that the Jews bomb Hizbu-llah Lebanon, my statement is an anti-semitic statement.

It would no be so if I had said that Israel or the IAF bombed Hizbu-llah in Lebanon.

Can you understand the dividing line and why we must use careful wording in this conflict? Or must I use more explicit examples, to show how equating Israeli policy with Jews is anti-semitic?
New Jovia
27-08-2006, 18:40
New Jovia/The Far Realms/Mirkana/The Alaskan Federation (all one person)

Equating Israeli policy with Jews is not innately anti-Semetic (at least, I don't think so, and I'm Jewish), but it is very misleading.
Politeia utopia
27-08-2006, 18:48
New Jovia/The Far Realms/Mirkana/The Alaskan Federation (all one person)

Equating Israeli policy with Jews is not innately anti-Semetic (at least, I don't think so, and I'm Jewish), but it is very misleading.
Perhaps, you are right. But it not only dangerous and can feed anti-semitism, it can easily become anti-semitism as well

Let us say for example that the government/army of Israel made a mistake and two children got killed....

Would you consider it anti-semitism when a reporter says:

-Two children died in an Israeli airstrike.

-The IAF killed two children

-Jews killed two children

For, in the last instance, I certainly would.
Dobbsworld
27-08-2006, 18:51
Screw the 'crew', this is just so much more divisive bullshit designed to set everybody on edge against each other.

Thanks o so much, DM. Like we needed more ways to exclude one another, you negative vibe merchant, you.
New Stalinberg
27-08-2006, 18:56
Screw the 'crew', this is just so much more divisive bullshit designed to set everybody on edge against each other.

Thanks o so much, DM. Like we needed more ways to exclude one another, you negative vibe merchant, you.

Aaaawe, does somebody have a case of the gwumpy bug?
Dobbsworld
27-08-2006, 19:05
Aaaawe, does somebody have a case of the gwumpy bug?

No, but someone presumably has a case of the condescension bug. Care to try belittling me on actual grounds, NS - or are you content to simply parrot Eutrusca's stock-in-trade - the "baby-talk-as-personal-slag" pose?
Malkyer
27-08-2006, 19:06
Not a Jew, but I'm a definite Zionist and supporter of Israel's right to exist and their right to defend themselves from terrorist attacks.

Sign me up.

Captain pooby, you forgot to add me to the list of the Jew Crew *cries in corner*
Neo-Erusea
30-12-2006, 14:22
I do support Israel, but I'm not Jewish...

And I hardly hang out in NSG so I really don't think I should even bother.
RLI Rides Again
30-12-2006, 14:28
I support Israel but this is just plain silly.
Nationalian
30-12-2006, 14:37
I support peace in the middle east.
Khadgar
30-12-2006, 14:39
I do support Israel, but I'm not Jewish...

And I hardly hang out in NSG so I really don't think I should even bother.

http://www.forumspile.com/Thread-Crap-Wont_Die.jpg

Eek! A ZOMBIE! KILL IT!
Neo-Erusea
30-12-2006, 14:39
I support Israel but this is just plain silly.

Agreed.

Off topic question: I do remember something about the Russians having some elaborate war plans against Israel. Russia, not USSR. If Russia did initiate these plans (please don't reply saying they wouldn't, that's not the question) what do you think would happen? Just wondering...
King Bodacious
30-12-2006, 14:45
I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.

:p

I support Israel. :)
Angelic Hosts
30-12-2006, 14:56
I support Israel and Palestine pre-1948.
New Burmesia
30-12-2006, 14:58
http://media.koreus.com/200604/1image-pancarte12.jpg
27-08-2006
If you want Israel/Palestine, I recommended:
- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512346
- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512713
- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512748

Let this thread DIE!!!

Please?