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I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.

:p

Not Jewish, but I support Israel more times than less. But I decline the "Jew-crew" offer.

I support Israel.

Though why call it Jew-crew? I'm not a Jew, I'm Catholic. Not all Jews are Israeli, and not all Israelis are Jews.

Am Jewish, support Israel.

Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew"...


I suppport Israel fiercely. But not enough to put that in my sig.

I fully support Israel in whatever they do. I'm also really stingy with money and respect the Jewish religion more than my religion. Sign me up, please.

Please don't slander the name of Judaism by implying that it is the same as Israel.

I fully support Israel in whatever they do. I'm also really stingy with money and respect the Jewish religion more than my religion. Sign me up, please.

You're Jewish. ;)

I support Israel.

Though why call it Jew-crew? I'm not a Jew, I'm Catholic. Not all Jews are Israeli, and not all Israelis are Jews.

Israel is the only "Jewish state' in the world. Trying to keep it simple here, a Catholic jewish judaist white indian russian crew thread wouldn't 'flow' if ya know what I mean ;)

Doesn't have that catchy ring to it.

The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel.

I support Israel. With lots of caveats of course.

I support their right to existence along with the Palestinian right to exist as a nation. I support their right to retaliate to attacks against their nation, but I do not support their tactics of disproportionate retaliation and their cavalier attitude to "collateral damage".

added later: I am not Jewish and I do not think much of Judaism (theologically) for that matter and no thanks to the "Jew Crew" offer.

Israel is the only "Jewish state' in the world. Trying to keep it simple here, a Catholic jewish judaist white indian russian crew thread wouldn't 'flow' if ya know what I mean ;)

Call it the "pro-Israel crew." Being specific helps.

I support Israel completely- the one nation that has the balls to do what must be done when it comes to terrorists. And I am neither republican nor jewish.

I'm down for a pro-Israel group- but can I be #13? It's just a cooler number...lol

Generally support Israel, Goyim, dont have or read sigs

You're Jewish. ;)

Hehe, my friends think so too.

I'm broadly in favour of their continued existence. It’d be nice if they weren’t such racists though.

Jew's Creeeews - Jew's Crews.

Ya find the first paw-print - what you gonna do? Put it in your notebook cause it's Jew's Crews - Jew's Crews.

Ya find the second paw-print - what ya gonna do? Put it in your notebook cause it's Jew's Crews - Jew's Crews.

Ya find the third paw-print what ya gonna do? Ya sit down in your thinking chair and
Think
Think
Thiiiinnnk

Jew's Crews Jews Crews!

ROFL!

I support Isreal usually...but not so much this time. I would never put "Jew Crew" in my sig nyway.

Congrats to Israel for knowing how to deal with their aggresors!

Israel is the only "Jewish state' in the world. Trying to keep it simple here, a Catholic jewish judaist white indian russian crew thread wouldn't 'flow' if ya know what I mean ;)

Doesn't have that catchy ring to it.
Jew Crew rhymes, I suppose, but why not just "Israel's Life Crew" or something?

Israel is a secular democracy, not a Jewish theocracy.

More importantly, why am I not on the list? I responded before those 3 other people.

I suppose Israel in their latest war. I don't care who started all this ages ago. Coming over, killing and kidnapping soldiers, then leaving... that wouldn't be tollerated ANYWHERE. I can't fault Israel for striking back.
But I don't unilaterally always back them.
So no Jew Crew for me. :p

Jew Crew rhymes, I suppose, but why not just "Israel's Life Crew" or something?

Israel is a secular democracy, not a Jewish theocracy.

More importantly, why am I not on the list? I responded before those 3 other people.

Incase you didn't notice, the title is a joke. Don't take it too seriously.

Ironicly I'm supposed to be a leftist, (IE evil US, Zionist Plots etc)

but I support Israel, while I won't add it to my sig (I think my current one is much better about the nature of Proprganda, on ALL sides including the Terrorist idiots) you can at least put me down as an assosate member.

Ironicly I'm supposed to be a leftist, (IE evil US, Zionist Plots etc)
Israel was founded by Leftists, and until the 1960s, most conservative groups were anti-Semitic to some degree.

Jew Crew rhymes, I suppose, but why not just "Israel's Life Crew" or something?

Israel is a secular democracy, not a Jewish theocracy.

More importantly, why am I not on the list? I responded before those 3 other people.


Okay! Okay! Uncle! Uncle!

You got yourself a spot, you're member number four!

I suppose Israel in their latest war. I don't care who started all this ages ago. Coming over, killing and kidnapping soldiers, then leaving... that wouldn't be tollerated ANYWHERE. I can't fault Israel for striking back.
But I don't unilaterally always back them.
So no Jew Crew for me. :p

Sounds borderline, I'll have to call my ZOG handlers and discuss it.

Israel was founded by Leftists, and until the 1960s, most conservative groups were anti-Semitic to some degree.

Really? When did that happen? I'd always thought of conservatives as being Pro-Israeli.

I support Israel's right to exist unmolested. I do not support their imperialist policy of wanton slaughter, oppression & theft.

I'm broadly in favour of their continued existence. It’d be nice if they weren’t such racists though.

Seconded.

Heck, i'm a pagan...But yeah, i do support Israel. =]

I support Israel. Yet, I have a problem with how they are going about their attack.

I support Israel, but I'm not Jewish either.

What you have stated here is a little dumb and maybe doesn't even deserve a response. Nevertheless, I support Israel. Yet, I have a problem with how they are going about things. You should know, and I'm sure other posters have pointed this out, that Israel is distinct from Judaism. One is a state and one is a religion/tradition. Therefore, you can be Jewish and oppose the current conflict -- the current conflict is what your somewhat ambiguous thread title is refering to, right?Indeed. The only two Jews I know share my opinion. And no, they don't hate themselves or are ashamed about their ethnicity & beliefs.

I support Israel, but I'm not Jewish either.

Yeah or nay?

There's plenty of room.

In israel, between two Jews, there are 3 opinions.

I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5.
6.
7.
8
9.
10.
11.
12.
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken

Four already! Just gotta fill up 5-12.....
:p

Can I ask a question? Why would anyone want to join a "jew crew?" Whether your Jewish or Goyim, as you eloquently put it, I don't see the point?

Really? When did that happen? I'd always thought of conservatives as being Pro-Israeli.
The ugliness of Anti-Semitism was visible throughout European and American society before WWII. It was more openly expressed by the right than the left, indeed many on the left were openly pro-Jewish and Zionist.

The horror of the Holocaust killed most Anti-Semitism as the world reached out in compassion to the Jewish people.

But in more backwards parts of the west, Jews were even subtly discriminated against after the war.

Conservatives in America started being more pro-Israel because of two things:

1) Establishment of the American special relationship with Israel.
2) The rise of politicised evangelical Christianity.

I was going to say something, but it could offend the christians around, so i will just shut up.

I support Israel.


...


Within reason, which apparently disqualifies me.

Define "support Israel."

Do I unreservedly support Israel's right to exist? Yes.
Do I unreservedly believe Israel has the right to ensure terrorist attacks happen on its population? Yes.
Do I support attacks on the Israeli people or the IDF? In no way.

You see, those of us who criticise the policies of Israel do not do so because we want to see the genocide of seven million Jews at the hands of Jihadists, nor the destruction of a model of democracy in the middle east, whose institutions should be a benchmark for her neighbours to aspire to. There is no nation on Earth that diserves to be treated in such a barbaric fashion.

We criticise the policies of Israel - whether it be the current offensive in Lebanon or Gaza, or the continued occupation of the West Bank - because they have the opposite effect of what they intend. Occupation for 40 years, offensive, airstrike, barrier and another offensive and any chance of peace, if there was any chance for peace, seems to have dwindled, not grown.

Naturally the terrorists are dealt their proportion of the blame for their cowardly attacks on Israeli citizens. Their is no justification or excuse for thei actions. But as long as the Israel's tactics remain as they are, pointless colonisation of Palestinian land, occupation and playing tit-for-tat with terrrorists with Israeli and Palestinian lives, Israel only fosters more hate for itself among the Palestinian, and now in recent weeks, Lebanese people.

And it is the people of Palestine and Lebanon who Israel urgently needs on its side. Israel needs these people as partners, and equals, who can finally choose to end terror. Such a state of affairs cannot happen during, or immediately after an occupation. And I say choose because these people have to choose to end terror. The Israelis cannot bomb terrorism or islamism or pan-Arabism just as much as they could not bomb socialism, liberalism, conservatism or zionism. They are ideas and ideologies, and as such, we coose them. Israel's policy, unfortunately, ensures people make the wrong choices.

So, I suppose, all the so-called pro-Israeli and anti-Israeli crowds disagree on is the means, not the end. And that end is an Israel and Palestine, living side by side, free from terror. How we go about it, is the different issue.

So, I suppose, all the so-called pro-Israeli and anti-Israeli crowds disagree on is the means, not the end. And that end is an Israel and Palestine, living side by side, free from terror. How we go about it, is the different issue.

Well said.

I'm broadly in favour of their continued existence. It’d be nice if they weren’t such racists though.

Then they would have to give up Judaism,...

pay no attention to the name, american catholic huuuuuge supporter of israel.

And that end is an Israel and Palestine, living side by side, free from terror.

This will not happen. Israel has no interest in peace, since they would have to pay reparations for all the disowned Palestinians then. And Arabs have no interest in peace with the foreigners who have no roots in the land.

This will not happen. Israel has no interest in peace, since they would have to pay reparations for all the disowned Palestinians then.

They will? Says who?

And Arabs have no interest in peace with the foreigners who have no roots in the land.

You hear that everybody? Jews have no roots to Israel.

Indeed. The only two Jews I know share my opinion. And no, they don't hate themselves or are ashamed about their ethnicity & beliefs.

They shouldn't be, either.

You see, those of us who criticise the policies of Israel do not do so because we want to see the genocide of seven million Jews at the hands of Jihadists, nor the destruction of a model of democracy in the middle east, whose institutions should be a benchmark for her neighbours to aspire to. There is no nation on Earth that diserves to be treated in such a barbaric fashion.

We criticise the policies of Israel - whether it be the current offensive in Lebanon or Gaza, or the continued occupation of the West Bank - because they have the opposite effect of what they intend. Occupation for 40 years, offensive, airstrike, barrier and another offensive and any chance of peace

I agree with you in theory. The problem is, every time Israel offers the hand of peace, it gets struck away. They offered Palestinians land and withdrew from it, Palestinians elected Hamas and continued their suicide bombing runs.

They ceded to Hezbollah's demands and withdrew from Lebanon, ending the occupation there, Hezbollah continued to launch rockets, and kidnapped Israeli troops.

People keep saying "just give the palestinians/lebanese what they want, let them peacefully coexist!" but every time, EVERY TIME Israel has tried, the other groups have been the ones to go back to violence. Israel ceedes land to the Palestinians, palestinians keep attacking. Israel withdraws from Lebanon, Hezbollah keeps attacking. Every time these groups cry "PEACEFUL COEXISTANCE!" and every time Israel offers a real, substantial chance at it, it is shot to hell in the first rocket blast, or the first suicide bomber.

And you'll notice the first attacks following these offers never, EVER come from Israel. It is always from the side that was screaming for peaceful coexistance. Whenever Israel extends the hand of peace and says "ok, lets try and give you what you want and see what happens", the hand is blown away in the next rocket or suicide bomb. Withdraw from west bank, the attacks continue. Withdraw from Lebanon, the attacks continue.

The attacks always resume right about when the other side realizes that if they actually got what they claimed to be fighting for, and strove for peace, they'd have to give up their real motivations, the fact that they really just like killing jews.

I agree with you in theory. The problem is, every time Israel offers the hand of peace, it gets struck away. They offered Palestinians land and withdrew from it, Palestinians elected Hamas and continued their suicide bombing runs.

They ceded to Hezbollah's demands and withdrew from Lebanon, ending the occupation there, Hezbollah continued to launch rockets, and kidnapped Israeli troops.

People keep saying "just give the palestinians/lebanese what they want, let them peacefully coexist!" but every time, EVERY TIME Israel has tried, the other groups have been the ones to go back to violence. Israel ceedes land to the Palestinians, palestinians keep attacking. Israel withdraws from Lebanon, Hezbollah keeps attacking. Every time these groups cry "PEACEFUL COEXISTANCE!" and every time Israel offers a real, substantial chance at it, it is shot to hell in the first rocket blast, or the first suicide bomber.

And you'll notice the first attacks following these offers never, EVER come from Israel. It is always from the side that was screaming for peaceful coexistance. Whenever Israel extends the hand of peace and says "ok, lets try and give you what you want and see what happens", the hand is blown away in the next rocket or suicide bomb. Withdraw from west bank, the attacks continue. Withdraw from Lebanon, the attacks continue.

The attacks always resume right about when the other side realizes that if they actually got what they claimed to be fighting for, and strove for peace, they'd have to give up their real motivations, the fact that they really just like killing jews.

Well, what's the solution, then? You paint quite a dismal picture with the "they really just like killing Jews" aspect of your argument.

Well, what's the solution, then? You paint quite a dismal picture with the "they really just like killing Jews" aspect of your argument.

Ya sit down in your thinking chair and
Think
Think
Thiinnnk

I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5.
6.
7.
8
9.
10.
11.
12.
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken

Four already! Just gotta fill up 5-12.....
:pYou might want to add me to the Jew Crew.

Define "support Israel."

Do I unreservedly support Israel's right to exist? Yes.
Do I unreservedly believe Israel has the right to ensure terrorist attacks happen on its population? Yes.
Do I support attacks on the Israeli people or the IDF? In no way.

You see, those of us who criticise the policies of Israel do not do so because we want to see the genocide of seven million Jews at the hands of Jihadists, nor the destruction of a model of democracy in the middle east, whose institutions should be a benchmark for her neighbours to aspire to. There is no nation on Earth that diserves to be treated in such a barbaric fashion.

We criticise the policies of Israel - whether it be the current offensive in Lebanon or Gaza, or the continued occupation of the West Bank - because they have the opposite effect of what they intend. Occupation for 40 years, offensive, airstrike, barrier and another offensive and any chance of peace, if there was any chance for peace, seems to have dwindled, not grown.

Naturally the terrorists are dealt their proportion of the blame for their cowardly attacks on Israeli citizens. Their is no justification or excuse for thei actions. But as long as the Israel's tactics remain as they are, pointless colonisation of Palestinian land, occupation and playing tit-for-tat with terrrorists with Israeli and Palestinian lives, Israel only fosters more hate for itself among the Palestinian, and now in recent weeks, Lebanese people.

And it is the people of Palestine and Lebanon who Israel urgently needs on its side. Israel needs these people as partners, and equals, who can finally choose to end terror. Such a state of affairs cannot happen during, or immediately after an occupation. And I say choose because these people have to choose to end terror. The Israelis cannot bomb terrorism or islamism or pan-Arabism just as much as they could not bomb socialism, liberalism, conservatism or zionism. They are ideas and ideologies, and as such, we coose them. Israel's policy, unfortunately, ensures people make the wrong choices.

So, I suppose, all the so-called pro-Israeli and anti-Israeli crowds disagree on is the means, not the end. And that end is an Israel and Palestine, living side by side, free from terror. How we go about it, is the different issue.

Exactly my position. Thank you for posting. :)

I support them, I would be proud to be on the Israel supporters list!!

I could, to be honest, care less about Isreal. (Dont take it offensively and i dont support Hezbollah either)

Well, what's the solution, then? You paint quite a dismal picture with the "they really just like killing Jews" aspect of your argument.

I'm really not sure there is one honestly. If a group rejects your offer of peace, and continues to attack your civilian population, really only two options exist. Allow them to continue, or by use of force stop them.

Neither is really appealing, but the best minds of the world have tried to come up with answers, and have failed. I do not consider myself highly enough to think I would come up with an answer where they have not been able to.

Perhaps there really is only one solution, make the terrorists feel so much hurt for their actions that they won't continue them out of pure self interest....

Well, what's the solution, then? You paint quite a dismal picture with the "they really just like killing Jews" aspect of your argument.

And while i don't like that argument, I can not rationally think of a better one. If you attack a group in order to get what you want, get what you want, and keep attacking, why would you do this unless you just wanted to see more dead?

i support ISrael 100%

but i only put comments about condoms and stains in my sig

Ya sit down in your thinking chair and
Think
Think
Thiinnnk

I like thinking. You, however, do not provoke any thought in me.

I support the nation of Israel's right to exist, and to self-govern. They lost my support for their current campaign when they bombed UN personell, destroyed civilian infrastructure, and killed hundreds of innocents.

I'm really not sure there is one honestly. If a group rejects your offer of peace, and continues to attack your civilian population, really only two options exist. Allow them to continue, or by use of force stop them.

Neither is really appealing, but the best minds of the world have tried to come up with answers, and have failed. I do not consider myself highly enough to think I would come up with an answer where they have not been able to.

Perhaps there really is only one solution, make the terrorists feel so much hurt for their actions that they won't continue them out of pure self interest....

Have you ever read Twain's Huck Fin.? in which the two families have had a feud that has lasted so long that no one can remember how it started -- I think that's how it went. Anyway, Twain sort insinuates that the these two parties are quite crude and base since the whole focus of their lives is destroying each other, but never being able to do so. It may seem simplistic on my part, but that is what this conflict reminds me of. It is like some game theoretic matrix in which no one ever gains or wins the game -- it just keeps going.

Define "support Israel.".here:

BERKELEY, California, Jul 26 (IPS) - Over the past two decades, as the Christian Right has grown in political power in the United States, there has been a parallel growth in support for Israel. Organisations made up of conservative evangelical and Jewish leaders have been founded, and millions of dollars have been raised and donated to charities in Israel.

Now, a new group plans to take it up a notch, becoming a significant presence in any political policy debates involving Israel.

Last week, while the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict continued to escalate, Christians United for Israel (CUFI) -- an organisation founded less than six months ago by Texas evangelist Rev. John C. Hagee, pastor of the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas and the author of "Jerusalem Countdown," a 2006 book about a nuclear-armed Iran -- rolled into Washington for its first major get-together.

More than 3,400 delegates from across the United States attended the inaugural meeting.

CUFI kicked off the gathering on Jul. 19 with its "A Night to Honour Israel" banquet at the grand ballroom in the Washington Hilton. The festivities attracted a number of high-profile Israeli and U.S. political leaders, including Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon, retired Israeli defence chief Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon and Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman.

According to a report posted at Israpundit, Hagee read greetings from President George W. Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Bush commented: "God bless and stand by the people of Israel and God bless the United States."

http://ww2.daystar.com/NR/rdonlyres/45AE7EBF-54C1-4F41-B85B-0A3E655433B1/0/whatsshowing_Hagee_John.jpghttp://cache.wonkette.com/politics/pat_robertson.JPG

Have you ever read Twain's Huck Fin.? in which the two families have had a feud that has lasted so long that no one can remember how it started -- I think that's how it went. Anyway, Twain sort insinuates that the these two parties are quite crude and base since the whole focus of their lives is destroying each other, but never being able to do so. It may seem simplistic on my part, but that is what this conflict reminds me of. It is like some game theoretic matrix in which no one ever gains or wins the game -- it just keeps going.

The problem with that though is it assumes neither party is willing to make compromises. That, as I see it, hasn't been the case.

Let's look at two examples, Egypt and Hezbollah.

Nasser finally said "enough is enough, no more posturing, no more threats, no more aggression, no more saber rattling, egypt recognizes israel's existance, it recognizes israel's right to exist, we respect your borders and will leave you the hell alone, provided you respect our borders and leave us the hell alone."

And israel said "ok, deal".

And egypt has left israel the hell alone. And israel has left egypt the hell alone. And there's been peace.

Now let's contrast that with Hezbollah, which said "you are occupiers, you are in your country, we will resist your occupation, but if you pull out now, if you leave lebanon, if you get out, we will end our attacks, and will have no further aggression towards you."

And israel said "ok, deal". And they pulled out, they pulled EVERYTHING out. All the troops, all the armor, all the people, EVERYTHING, they got up one day and they left, entirely.

And god damned if hezbollah didn't keep attacking.

Israel has offered peace, Israel has made ovetures to give their enemies what they want, in exchange for Israel getting what it wants, a peaceful existance. In some cases it has worked (Egypt), in some cases it has failed (Hezbollah and Hamas), however whenever it has failed, it wasn't because Israel broke their promises first.

And israel said "ok, deal". And they pulled out, they pulled EVERYTHING out. All the troops, all the armor, all the people, EVERYTHING, they got up one day and they left, entirely.

Apart from the Shebaa farms area which Hezb'allah claims is part of Lebanese territory.

The UN says its Syrian and as such the IDF did not pull out. Syria says its Lebanese.

Thats the reason Hezb'allah claim to still be around for.

Now let's contrast that with Hezbollah, which said "you are occupiers, you are in your country, we will resist your occupation, but if you pull out now, if you leave lebanon, if you get out, we will end our attacks, and will have no further aggression towards you."

And israel said "ok, deal". And they pulled out, they pulled EVERYTHING out. All the troops, all the armor, all the people, EVERYTHING, they got up one day and they left, entirely.

And god damned if hezbollah didn't keep attacking.

Israel has offered peace, Israel has made ovetures to give their enemies what they want, in exchange for Israel getting what it wants, a peaceful existance. In some cases it has worked (Egypt), in some cases it has failed (Hezbollah and Hamas), however whenever it has failed, it wasn't because Israel broke their promises first.Let's not forget that one of the main reasons why Hezbullah is still fighting Israel is because Israel holds a large number of Lebanese prisoners (I'm not going to bother discussing the legitimacy of this. I haven't done any research on the issue and will therefore rule in favor of Israel on it). That would also explain why they captured the soldiers and were ransoming them off for prisoners.

The problem with that though is it assumes neither party is willing to make compromises. That, as I see it, hasn't been the case.

Let's look at two examples, Egypt and Hezbollah.

Nasser finally said "enough is enough, no more posturing, no more threats, no more aggression, no more saber rattling, egypt recognizes israel's existance, it recognizes israel's right to exist, we respect your borders and will leave you the hell alone, provided you respect our borders and leave us the hell alone."

And israel said "ok, deal".

And egypt has left israel the hell alone. And israel has left egypt the hell alone. And there's been peace.

Now let's contrast that with Hezbollah, which said "you are occupiers, you are in your country, we will resist your occupation, but if you pull out now, if you leave lebanon, if you get out, we will end our attacks, and will have no further aggression towards you."

And israel said "ok, deal". And they pulled out, they pulled EVERYTHING out. All the troops, all the armor, all the people, EVERYTHING, they got up one day and they left, entirely.

And god damned if hezbollah didn't keep attacking.

Israel has offered peace, Israel has made ovetures to give their enemies what they want, in exchange for Israel getting what it wants, a peaceful existance. In some cases it has worked (Egypt), in some cases it has failed (Hezbollah and Hamas), however whenever it has failed, it wasn't because Israel broke their promises first.


Yeah, but doesn't this has to do with the Shia versus Sunni. I don't know about this in any in depth, so may be someone can enlighten us, or at least me, on this topic (i have CNN knowledge), but isn't there a split in the middle east with the Sunni states that are inclined to recognizing Israel and Shia states (Iran, Syria, etc.) that do not?

Sign me up!

Representin' da Jewish minority! ... well, not really but I am a Judeophile, does that count? Also, the Israeli government, while tolerant and secular domestically, is going about Lebanon the wrong way. Bombing civilians only causes more people to senselessly and needlessly hate Jews.

here:

BERKELEY, California, Jul 26 (IPS) - Over the past two decades, as the Christian Right has grown in political power in the United States, there has been a parallel growth in support for Israel. Organisations made up of conservative evangelical and Jewish leaders have been founded, and millions of dollars have been raised and donated to charities in Israel.

Now, a new group plans to take it up a notch, becoming a significant presence in any political policy debates involving Israel.

Last week, while the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict continued to escalate, Christians United for Israel (CUFI) -- an organisation founded less than six months ago by Texas evangelist Rev. John C. Hagee, pastor of the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas and the author of "Jerusalem Countdown," a 2006 book about a nuclear-armed Iran -- rolled into Washington for its first major get-together.

More than 3,400 delegates from across the United States attended the inaugural meeting.

CUFI kicked off the gathering on Jul. 19 with its "A Night to Honour Israel" banquet at the grand ballroom in the Washington Hilton. The festivities attracted a number of high-profile Israeli and U.S. political leaders, including Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon, retired Israeli defence chief Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon and Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman.

According to a report posted at Israpundit, Hagee read greetings from President George W. Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Bush commented: "God bless and stand by the people of Israel and God bless the United States."

http://ww2.daystar.com/NR/rdonlyres/45AE7EBF-54C1-4F41-B85B-0A3E655433B1/0/whatsshowing_Hagee_John.jpghttp://cache.wonkette.com/politics/pat_robertson.JPGBTW.. they made a counter group "Proud-not-to-be-a-Jew" or something like that :D

I think these (pro-or-not) sigs are silly

Yeah, but doesn't this has to do with the Shia versus Sunni. I don't know about this in any in depth, so may be someone can enlighten us, or at least me, on this topic (i have CNN knowledge), but isn't there a split in the middle east with the Sunni states that are inclined to recognizing Israel and Shia states (Iran, Syria, etc.) that do not?Not really. Consider that while Egypt and Jordan recognize Israel, they aren't democracies, so the general populace has no real say in the matter and could well be opposed to Israel.

Not really. Consider that while Egypt and Jordan recognize Israel, they aren't democracies, so the general populace has no real say in the matter and could well be opposed to Israel.

Well that may well be, but either way still doesn't disprove the idea that Israel are not the first aggressors in these situations. In the case of Egypt and Jordan, they have stopped the attacks on Israel, and Israel has left them alone (despite an overwhelming military).

Israel has no interest in conquering the Middle East and blowing up all those "damed A-rabs", because if they did they would have done it already. They want to exist, peacefully, and are willing to peacefully exist with any nation that is willing to peacefully exist with them.

And they have made ovetures in giving those groups what they want in order to ensure that peaceful coexistance.

If those overtures get rejected...well...

Not really. Consider that while Egypt and Jordan recognize Israel, they aren't democracies, so the general populace has no real say in the matter and could well be opposed to Israel.

That is true and from what I understand that there is a large Shia populace opposed to Israel. This may be problematic for the future. I don't dispute what you say here.

I support Israel.
Within reason, which apparently disqualifies me.
So do I, but I'm a member of 'da tr00 Jew Crü.'

Define "support Israel."

Do I unreservedly support Israel's right to exist? Yes.
Do I unreservedly believe Israel has the right to ensure terrorist attacks happen on its population? Yes.
Do I support attacks on the Israeli people or the IDF? In no way.

You see, those of us who criticise the policies of Israel do not do so because we want to see the genocide of seven million Jews at the hands of Jihadists, nor the destruction of a model of democracy in the middle east, whose institutions should be a benchmark for her neighbours to aspire to. There is no nation on Earth that diserves to be treated in such a barbaric fashion.

We criticise the policies of Israel - whether it be the current offensive in Lebanon or Gaza, or the continued occupation of the West Bank - because they have the opposite effect of what they intend. Occupation for 40 years, offensive, airstrike, barrier and another offensive and any chance of peace, if there was any chance for peace, seems to have dwindled, not grown.

*snip*

So, I suppose, all the so-called pro-Israeli and anti-Israeli crowds disagree on is the means, not the end. And that end is an Israel and Palestine, living side by side, free from terror. How we go about it, is the different issue.
Excellent post.

This will not happen. Israel has no interest in peace, since they would have to pay reparations for all the disowned Palestinians then.
Right. The Israeli people would much prefer to live in a permanently militarised state, with frequent brutal attacks on their country and citizens. :rolleyes:

And Arabs have no interest in peace with the foreigners who have no roots in the land.
Well
1. Most Israelis do have roots in the land. Jews have always lived there to some degree.
2. I think that many, maybe most, Arabs do not want permanent war with Israel, even if they don't like the country. People, generally, do not like war.

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Pat Robertson models "Crucifix wig, extra large"

I'd fight for it to the death.

Count me in. Spot 11 is preferred. (Favorite number ;))

Pat Robertson I have no doubt..

Pat Robertson would 100% sig with the NSG-Jew-Crew.

I dont know nor claim to know much about israel or much about that specific region, but the one reason I like isreal is because recently, in their elections they had a 70 % turnout at the polls. We could take a lesson or 2 from them in that department. As for the Jew Crew, no thanks.

I dont know nor claim to know much about israel or much about that specific region, but the one reason I like isreal is because recently, in their elections they had a 70 % turnout at the polls. We could take a lesson or 2 from them in that department. As for the Jew Crew, no thanks.

You should love Australia then. Yeah, lets start Aus Crew. I'm in for that - deride, deride.

Im up for Aus crew, I live in teh U.S. though. lol

Im up for Aus crew, I live in teh U.S. though. lol

I live in Canada, but who cares. Go Aus. crew.

Aus. Crew for life. Hells yes

Who wants to join the Aus. Crew. Anyone can join, you dont have to be from Australia, we just stole the name...

Proud Zionist Jew here

I support Isreal because they are Gods chosen people

So were Adam and Eve and they screwed up pretty bad.

I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".
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I support them when they do something worth supporting and don’t when they do something that is not deserving of support simple as that.

I support them when they do something worth supporting and don’t when they do something that is not deserving of support simple as that.

Isnt being an Independent wonderful
People either see you as someone who forms your own ideas or someone who can't decide

Isnt being an Independent wonderful
People either see you as someone who forms your own ideas or someone who can't decide
Yeah and many people on both sides bitch at you

You would be amazed at how many times I have gotten accused of being an anti-Semite just for my lack of support of Israel in their current war

Exactly. I was debating with my uncle (hes so conservative, hes just racism away from being a neo-nazi) and he practically yelled at me for 2 hours. I laughed.

You can always tell when a republican is beaten, they go off onto completly unrelated bull.

I love being independent

You can put me down as a supporter, but I think the name is silly. We should be the NSG ISL, Israeli Support League.


EDIT: BTW, I'm not Jewish, I'm Protestant, average white male. However, as a member of the US military I do admire their style.

You can put me down as a supporter, but I think the name is silly. We should be the NSG ISL, Israeli Support League.


EDIT: BTW, I'm not Jewish, I'm Protestant, average white male. However, as a member of the US military I do admire their style.


Which Branch?

So were Adam and Eve and they screwed up pretty bad.


So whats your point?

You can put me down as a supporter, but I think the name is silly. We should be the NSG ISL, Israeli Support League.


EDIT: BTW, I'm not Jewish, I'm Protestant, average white male. However, as a member of the US military I do admire their style.

I'll second that

So whats your point?
That being gods children does not make them right all the time.

your claiming that isreali's are gods chosen people, just offering a bit of info about gods choosen people

Which Branch?
Former Army, now Army National Guard. Was with the 218th as light infantry, now I'm field artillery, and I've served as military police. lol, I've run the gamut on combat arms.

I strongly support Israel from the terrorists who attack it and the people on this forum who deny it's right to defense.

That being gods children does not make them right all the time.

Never said it did

Your a better man then I by far. Done any tours in Iraq?

your claiming that isreali's are gods chosen people, just offering a bit of info about gods choosen people

I'm not claiming anything ... read the scripture

i retract that statement, i made a typo, what i meant was

your saying that because they are gods chosen ones they are as good as it gets, or something to that nature

my bad

I strongly support Israel from the terrorists who attack it and the people on this forum who deny it's right to defense.
I don’t deny its defense … I deny its right to kill innocents without consequences.

Your a better man then I by far. Done any tours in Iraq?
Just got back from a year and a half last September. That was when I served as military police. I'm going to Afghanistan with the 218th in Jan or Feb as light infantry. National Guard nowadays does more tours than regular army as it turns out lol.

I dont trust the media, how was it (iraq, your general area there, whatever) when you left?

I don’t deny its defense … I deny its right to kill innocents without consequences.

The same old ploy where we set up the straw man that Israel equals Hezbollah or al-queda. It just is not so. Hezbollah's propaganda use of the media, and use of civilians as human shields is their fault.

1) any civilians that Israel hit were warned to leave. That is why so many people have....
2) any civilans that Israel hit were in a building that Israeli intelligence stated Hezbollah was working in
3) there is nothing in it for Israel to kill civilians on purpose

what consequences do you have in mind?

I support Israel just as much as I support any other democratic country. I support them when they do the right thing, I don't when they don't. I agree they need to defend themselves from Hezbollah, and especially to get their abducted troops back. However, I think that a Mossad operation would probably have gotten the troops back by now, and would have done it in a manner that worked better for everyone.

Anyway, I think people that have a raging hard on for Israel (that aren't Israeli) and support them unconditionally are just as silly as those who hate Israel unconditionally.

The same old ploy where we set up the straw man that Israel equals Hezbollah or al-queda. It just is not so. Hezbollah's propaganda use of the media, and use of civilians as human shields is their fault.

1) any civilians that Israel hit were warned to leave. That is why so many people have....
2) any civilans that Israel hit were in a building that Israeli intelligence stated Hezbollah was working in
3) there is nothing in it for Israel to kill civilians on purpose

what consequences do you have in mind?
To start with the us actually having the balls to stand up and remove the massive blind support we send their way. (personally would like to see Lebanon also not receiving any money from us either if there is any going that way)

Other then pure humanitarian aid on each side that is

The one thing I dont like about this is that the U.S could potentially help Isreal. Which is probably the right thing to do, but we just can't do that, we are already all up ons Iraq and Afghanastan and that is taking up all of our resources.

I support Israel just as much as I support any other democratic country. I support them when they do the right thing, I don't when they don't. I agree they need to defend themselves from Hezbollah, and especially to get their abducted troops back. However, I think that a Mossad operation would probably have gotten the troops back by now, and would have done it in a manner that worked better for everyone.

Anyway, I think people that have a raging hard on for Israel (that aren't Israeli) and support them unconditionally are just as silly as those who hate Israel unconditionally.

Second guessing the IDF by using "probably" is not somthing I am willing to do. But, seriously, these wackos who putting Israel on the same moral level as terrorist states like Iran and Hezbollah who use the blood of civilans as a poltical ploy are a disgrace. They need to get a grip. Israel does not target civilans on purpose, but if civilans who were warned to leave a certain area stay behind and are in a building that intelligence says is being used by Hezbollah...who's fault is it really when they get bombed?

We will " all " have to stand before the lord to answer for our actions while living even his chosen people. The point is you may be making a enemy
of God when you go against his people. The problem is that there is very little forgiveness in the world today. Jesus replaced the soldiers ear that was cut off even though that soldier was taking Jesus to his death. This is what is expected of followers of Jesus. But that is a very hard thing to do ... for anyone. The scripture says that all have sinned and fallen short of the lords will. But it is not our place to decide who is guilty, or who is not. Unfortunately most people would rather follow the eye for an eye rule, even though it is found in the old covenant, which makes it outdated.

To start with the us actually having the balls to stand up and remove the massive blind support we send their way. (personally would like to see Lebanon also not receiving any money from us either if there is any going that way)

Other then pure humanitarian aid on each side that is

We are giving money to Lebanon to rebuilt infrastructure and money to Israel to defend itself from terrorism. There is a problem with that? For Gods sake, Israel has killed civilians but they never target civilians like Hezbollah does. To say that Israel has civilian blood on its hands is like saying that Chrystler and Toyota have blood on their hands.

I dont trust the media, how was it (iraq, your general area there, whatever) when you left?
LOL
Honestly, the IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices) are worse than they make out. I saw at least 30, and thats just the ones I noticed. And I don't think I ever went more than a day without getting shot at. Also, we ran convoy security, and we constantly got fired at. All in all, pretty much a great time.

My unit didn't lose a man the whole time we were there, but one guy lost his left hand at the wrist. However, the unit that replaced us lost 4 guys their first week. That was more their fault than anything else. The guys that get killed usually died because they did some dumb shit and didn't follow procedure. That's what they don't tell you on the news.

I'm a Christian and support Israel.

The one thing I dont like about this is that the U.S could potentially help Isreal. Which is probably the right thing to do, but we just can't do that, we are already all up ons Iraq and Afghanastan and that is taking up all of our resources.

Not so. We have 250,000 troops in Iraq and Afganistan combined...out of 1,400,000 on active duty.....

Our current defense budget is 4% of our nation's GDP......

there simply is no need for us to do any more in the region than we already are.

We are giving money to Lebanon to rebuilt infrastructure and money to Israel to defend itself from terrorism. There is a problem with that? For Gods sake, Israel has killed civilians but they never target civilians like Hezbollah does. To say that Israel has civilian blood on its hands is like saying that Chrystler and Toyota have blood on their hands.
I would say both have blood on their hands unless they did all that was possible to avoid it… right now I don’t think Israel is making that effort.

I am by far not an enemy of god, i view everyone as gods children. And it is also my view that its much easier to be mad at god then for god to be mad at you. And its true that we will all have to face judgement but being from isreal wont help you. God doesnt pick many favorites among men

The one thing I dont like about this is that the U.S could potentially help Isreal. Which is probably the right thing to do, but we just can't do that, we are already all up ons Iraq and Afghanastan and that is taking up all of our resources.
Not really, we've only got 1/4th of our military overseas. The rest is here at home. We could easily handle a war in Iran or Lebanon, really. It's the babysitting thats draining.

By the way, the worst problam overseas was having a girlfriend or a wife. 4 guys came back to find their wives pregnant, one had a son, and at least a dozen others were left by the wives/significant others while fighting. I'd rather not talk much about that though if you don't mind, it's gets me really angry in an unreasonable way, which isn't appropriate for the forums.

THe problem is that while we have 250 thousand in Iraq, we have soldiers many other places too. Korea Vietnam GErmany, just to name a few. And those soldiers are being rotated so the majority of soldiers could possibly go to Iraq for a tour when they rotate out the current troops

Not so. We have 250,000 troops in Iraq and Afganistan combined...out of 1,400,000 on active duty.....
Actually, there is about 500,000 Army and 650,000 NG, but thats still only 1/4. or at least those were the numbers the last time they got handed down to us grunts.



EDIT: I just realized I may be privy to information they don't share with the public...

But I'm sure my numbers are just outdated. Those are from August of last year, so they are pretty old.

I would say both have blood on their hands unless they did all that was possible to avoid it… right now I don’t think Israel is making that effort.

Well to do all they could to avoid it they would have to cease defending themselves......that is not a logical or tactical choice that is even on the table. And why are you so concerned with Israel when Hezbollah, by its very nature, targets civilians on purpose and is not even a legitimate power or nation?

Thats ok.

THe problem is that while we have 250 thousand in Iraq, we have soldiers many other places too. Korea Vietnam GErmany, just to name a few. And those soldiers are being rotated so the majority of soldiers could possibly go to Iraq for a tour when they rotate out the current troops

we have 250,000 in Iraq. Since when? I do not even think we invaded with that many. Source? None of this has anything to do with policy in Israel. We are simply doing the same thing that we have always done.

Not really, we've only got 1/4th of our military overseas. The rest is here at home. We could easily handle a war in Iran or Lebanon, really. It's the babysitting thats draining.

By the way, the worst problam overseas was having a girlfriend or a wife. 4 guys came back to find their wives pregnant, one had a son, and at least a dozen others were left by the wives/significant others while fighting. I'd rather not talk much about that though if you don't mind, it's gets me really angry in an unreasonable way, which isn't appropriate for the forums.

Thats ok, I can barely fathom the emotional strain that soldiers go through and respect them even more for it.

THe point is not how many troops we have available, but how much money it costs to fight a war. We have already spent billions in the middle east, we need that money at home because one of these days, china and japan are gonna ask us for the money we owe them, and we cant just say "sorry, dont have the money..."

This topic has nothing to do with the American military. It has to do with Israel's right to defend itself from a terrorist organization and those in the international community who sympathize with the anti-semites who wish to destroy Israel. Hezbollah started this conflict. Hezbollah is hiding under civilans who were warned to leave. Yet, Israel is the one who is called disproportionate in its response. If any other nation was attacked the way that Israel has always been attacked, it would have done 10 times more. Anti-Israeli thought is the new way of persecuting the Jews. New story old theme.

I support Israel.

THe point is not how many troops we have available, but how much money it costs to fight a war. We have already spent billions in the middle east, we need that money at home because one of these days, china and japan are gonna ask us for the money we owe them, and we cant just say "sorry, dont have the money..."

China and Japan won't ask us for their money back because US Treasuries are just too good an investment to pass up. No other market in the entire world offers the same combination of liquidity, security, and return on investment that US Treasuries provide. Until that changes, no central bank will pass up the opportunity to buy in to the US market and finance our debt.

THe point is not how many troops we have available, but how much money it costs to fight a war. We have already spent billions in the middle east, we need that money at home because one of these days, china and japan are gonna ask us for the money we owe them, and we cant just say "sorry, dont have the money..."

But we are handling this problem the same way that we have always dealt with problems with those who attack Israel. We do not use force. We stave off the rabid anti-Israel international community so that Israel can respond. How much money/troops we have in the region is not very relavent to the problem or solution.

I'm just worried about teh actions in the Middle East snow balling and completly screwing the U.S over in the end

Thats ok, I can barely fathom the emotional strain that soldiers go through and respect them even more for it.
LOL
And they wonder why we're all crazy alcoholics with a penchant for fighting and random acts of mayhem...

This topic has nothing to do with the American military. It has to do with Israel's right to defend itself from a terrorist organization and those in the international community who sympathize with the anti-semites who wish to destroy Israel. Hezbollah started this conflict. Hezbollah is hiding under civilans who were warned to leave. Yet, Israel is the one who is called disproportionate in its response. If any other nation was attacked the way that Israel has always been attacked, it would have done 10 times more. Anti-Israeli thought is the new way of persecuting the Jews. New story old theme.
As much as I don’t agree with you on a lot of things stop the anti-Semite talk its BS and the mods know it is BS they have shut down more then one thread because people throw that term around as badly as people throw the anti-Muslim term around.

It is a debate stopper and they know it

We shoudnt even be worried about this then.

Second guessing the IDF by using "probably" is not somthing I am willing to do. But, seriously, these wackos who putting Israel on the same moral level as terrorist states like Iran and Hezbollah who use the blood of civilans as a poltical ploy are a disgrace. They need to get a grip. Israel does not target civilans on purpose, but if civilans who were warned to leave a certain area stay behind and are in a building that intelligence says is being used by Hezbollah...who's fault is it really when they get bombed?

I'm not really second guessing the IDF, I'm taking into account that internal politics can quite often effect military operations. The current level of hostilities has a lot of effects in both internal Israeli politics and regional politics, which may be advantageous to some who is involved in the decision making process.

Before someone else jumps on it, you might want to edit out the comment that implies Hezbollah is a state.

In the situation you give, we really can't tell whose fault it is, now can we? It could be the civilians' fault for not leaving, faulty IDF intelligence, or Hezbollah for using the building (if they actually are, which points to the previous).

I don't know if Israel targets civilians intentionally, and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. However, as they're a democratic nation (this is where the difference between them and places like Iran and Syria come in) they're expected to be the good guys and to be discriminate in their targets.

I would have been a lot more lenient in previous wars when Israel was literally fighting for it's life. But right now, Israel is in no real danger from it's neighbors, and as such can afford to have a slightly softer touch.

I'm just worried about teh actions in the Middle East snow balling and completly screwing the U.S over in the end

Well, I worry about us losing our balls as a country and pissing out pants as we retreat from the middle east instead of fighting the tough fights and winning.

I'm just worried about teh actions in the Middle East snow balling and completly screwing the U.S over in the end
If they'd quit using us as babysitters and let us operate as an assault force, like we're trained to do, we wouldn't be having the problems we're having now. US soldiers just aren't cut out for occupation. We're an offensive force, even in defensive maneuvers.

I am not saying pull out of the Middle East, that would be disater, but finish up in places like Iraq and then leave, once we get soem stability in the region we can leave.

And I agree, if we should act more like an assault force.

As much as I don’t agree with you on a lot of things stop the anti-Semite talk its BS and the mods know it is BS they have shut down more then one thread because people throw that term around as badly as people throw the anti-Muslim term around.

It is a debate stopper and they know it

Oh give me a break with your silly threats.

I said that people in this forum buy into the new-wave of anti-semitism and it is a fact, even if the mods try to silence it.

anti-semite: One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews

those people on these threads who ignore the record of Hezbollah and want to see Israel cease defending itself and harp on day after day about how evil and murderous Israel is in their eyes, and will only discuss bad things about the only jewish nation on the planet are playing right into the hands of people like the President of Iran, who would like to see Israel destoyed.

Hey, I respect anyone who can uphold a Jewish state in a manly islamic region.

Oh give me a break with your silly threats.

I said that people in this forum buy into the new-wave of anti-semitism and it is a fact, even if the mods try to silence it.

anti-semite: One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews

those people on these threads who ignore the record of Hezbollah and want to see Israel cease defending itself and harp on day after day about how evil and murderous Israel is in their eyes, and will only discuss bad things about the only jewish nation on the planet are playing right into the hands of people like the President of Iran, who would like to see Israel destoyed.
You kidding how do you know all the topics have been around this frigging war … I and many of those here have fought over the years FOR isreal depending on the conflict or issue. Just because we are not for them in this case does not make us anti-Semitic. I agree and disagree with the policies of a LOT of countries, just because this is the only all Jew State does not make it special (in a good or bad way) in my eyes in any way shape or form


I warned you of this because the mods HAVE had a bad reaction to it. I don’t agree with you but I don’t feel like silencing the compition. So if you choose not to take the warning in the spirit it was intended fine continue and we will have another dead thread.

Hey, I respect anyone who can uphold a Jewish state in a manly islamic region.

That's my opinion.:)

Right to exist? Yes.

Right to massacre, oppress, steal, torture, and destroy? No.

I'm not really second guessing the IDF, I'm taking into account that internal politics can quite often effect military operations. The current level of hostilities has a lot of effects in both internal Israeli politics and regional politics, which may be advantageous to some who is involved in the decision making process.

Before someone else jumps on it, you might want to edit out the comment that implies Hezbollah is a state.
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In the situation you give, we really can't tell whose fault it is, now can we? It could be the civilians' fault for not leaving, faulty IDF intelligence, or Hezbollah for using the building (if they actually are, which points to the previous).

I don't know if Israel targets civilians intentionally, and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. However, as they're a democratic nation (this is where the difference between them and places like Iran and Syria come in) they're expected to be the good guys and to be discriminate in their targets.

I would have been a lot more lenient in previous wars when Israel was literally fighting for it's life. But right now, Israel is in no real danger from it's neighbors, and as such can afford to have a slightly softer touch.
well, I would never suggest that Hezbollah is a state or legit. in any way. Israel is not at fault if people who were warned to leave certain areas did not. Israel is not at fault if Hezbollah lies about certain people being civilians. Israeli intel is good but not perfect and mistakes or made. But to sieze on the Hezbollah propaganda that Israel intends to slaughter Lebonese civilans is to unfairly persecute Israel on the word of a group of terrorists over that of a vital allie Israel is fighting for its life. Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, and other terror states will stop at nothing to see the dawn of a second holocaust. Don't believe me? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060718/ap_on_re_us/pro_israel_rally

ask Elie Weisel.

You kidding how do you know all the topics have been around this frigging war … I and many of those here have fought over the years FOR isreal depending on the conflict or issue. Just because we are not for them in this case does not make us anti-Semitic. I agree and disagree with the policies of a LOT of countries, just because this is the only all Jew State does not make it special (in a good or bad way) in my eyes in any way shape or form


I warned you of this because the mods HAVE had a bad reaction to it. I don’t agree with you but I don’t feel like silencing the compition. So if you choose not to take the warning in the spirit it was intended fine continue and we will have another dead thread.

You really should think about who the rhetoric you have in which you take the word of Hezbollah over Israel helps. That's all. Think on it for a bit.

Right to exist? Yes.

Right to massacre, oppress, steal, torture, and destroy? No.

Another pipe of the Hezbollah propaganda organ.

I support Israel's right to self-defence. I do not support its disproportionate use of force with regard to casualties. I am completely against Hezbollah and all its allies though.

I support Israel's right to self-defence. I do not support its disproportionate use of force with regard to casualties. I am completely against Hezbollah and all its allies though.

disproportionate as in if it was any European nation or America they would have done more than Israel did?

You really should think about who the rhetoric you have in which you take the word of Hezbollah over Israel helps. That's all. Think on it for a bit.
As should you.

Yea, taking anything Hezbollah says as fact is kinda like believing Hitler when he said, "Okay, everyone with a jewelry store and a *berg* or *witz* in their name, we're sending you to SUMMER CAMP! Leave all your belongings on the street, go ahead and get nekkid for the showers. Oh, yea, watch out for the broken glass!"

As should you.
my rhetoric does not take a terrorist organizations side of the story and word over that of a vital allie in the war against fundamentalist Islam.

disproportionate as in if it was any European nation or America they would have done more than Israel did?
Disproportionate as in unnecessary. The US might've done more...European nations, however, before the 20th century, had a tradition of keeping civilians out of matters...many still stick to that adage.

my rhetoric does not take a terrorist organizations side of the story and word over that of a vital allie in the war against fundamentalist Islam.
And mine does not automatically take on blind support for anyone that is against a particular Muslim group.

Disproportionate as in unnecessary. The US might've done more...European nations, however, before the 20th century, had a tradition of keeping civilians out of matters...many still stick to that adage.
*coughs Africa quietly under his breath

Disproportionate as in unnecessary. The US might've done more...European nations, however, before the 20th century, had a tradition of keeping civilians out of matters...many still stick to that adage.

So in your opinion Israel should not have done anything to Hezbollah. That is not a very strong response. Europeans had a tradition of avoiding civilian deaths and so does Israel. That is why they are targeting Hezbollah and not civilians. The problem is that many people buy into the idea that Israel targets civilans on purpose...which is idiotic.

And mine does not automatically take on blind support for anyone that is against a particular Muslim group.

I do not support Israel no matter what. If they targeted civilians in non-Hezbollah areas I would cease my support. The war in bombs and words rages on as fundamentalist Islam influences the left in America and Europe.

I do not support Israel no matter what. If they targeted civilians in non-Hezbollah areas I would cease my support. The war in bombs and words rages on as fundamentalist Islam influences the left in America and Europe.
As Israel influences the right.

So in your opinion Israel should not have done anything to Hezbollah. That is not a very strong response. Europeans had a tradition of avoiding civilian deaths and so does Israel. That is why they are targeting Hezbollah and not civilians. The problem is that many people buy into the idea that Israel targets civilans on purpose...which is idiotic.
No, I know it doesn't do so on purpose...what I am saying is it could try to be more careful. And no, of course I am not saying Hezbollah should've remained unpunished. What I am saying is displacing 750 000 people and killing hundreds is somewhat disproportionate to the value of the two soldiers kidnapped.

well, I would never suggest that Hezbollah is a state or legit. in any way.

I know you wouldn't, but you made a grammatical error that I'm sure someone will jump on. I'm pointing it out so you can fix it now. The error is the quotation below.

terrorist states like Iran and Hezbollah

Israel is not at fault if people who were warned to leave certain areas did not.

Which is why I said it could be the civilians' fault.

Israel is not at fault if Hezbollah lies about certain people being civilians.

Which is why I said it could be Hezbollah's fault.

Israeli intel is good but not perfect and mistakes or made.

That is true, but failures in this regard should be addressed. If it was an honest mistake, it can't be helped. If it was through negligence, the offending party should be prosecuted.

But to sieze on the Hezbollah propaganda that Israel intends to slaughter Lebonese civilans is to unfairly persecute Israel on the word of a group of terrorists over that of a vital allie

Ever since I got back from Iraq I don't believe much of what I hear in the news regarding military conflicts. Is Israel deliberately targetting civilians? I doubt it. Could they be a bit more judicious in their application of force? Possibly.

Israel is fighting for its life. Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, and other terror states will stop at nothing to see the dawn of a second holocaust. Don't believe me? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060718/ap_on_re_us/pro_israel_rally

ask Elie Weisel.

There is no doubt in my mind that said parties would love to see Israel destroyed. However, they're about as militarily capable of doing so as Mexico and Canada would be in attempting to destroy the United States. By regional standards Israel is a military juggernaut, to which none or even all of its neighbors pose a conventional threat. They can wish for it's destruction all they want, but they can't do anything to bring it about.

As Israel influences the right.
And you think that Israel is as bad as those who attacked us on 911? Israel equals fundamentalist Islam...leftist crap!

And you think that Israel is as bad as those who attacked us on 911? Israel equals fundamentalist Islam...leftist crap!
Lol no I don’t but as far as I have heard Hezbollah was not behind nor had any members of their organization on any of those planes.

Lol no I don’t but as far as I have heard Hezbollah was not behind nor had any members of their organization on any of those planes.

Barry has a bad habit of putting words into people's mouths.

Heck, i'm a pagan...But yeah, i do support Israel. =]

I support Israel, but I'm not Jewish either.

i support ISrael 100%

but i only put comments about condoms and stains in my sig

I support them, I would be proud to be on the Israel supporters list!!

You might want to add me to the Jew Crew.

Sign me up!

Representin' da Jewish minority! ... well, not really but I am a Judeophile, does that count? Also, the Israeli government, while tolerant and secular domestically, is going about Lebanon the wrong way. Bombing civilians only causes more people to senselessly and needlessly hate Jews.

I'd fight for it to the death.

Count me in. Spot 11 is preferred. (Favorite number ;))

Proud Zionist Jew here

I support Isreal because they are Gods chosen people

You can put me down as a supporter, but I think the name is silly. We should be the NSG ISL, Israeli Support League.

EDIT: BTW, I'm not Jewish, I'm Protestant, average white male. However, as a member of the US military I do admire their style.

I strongly support Israel from the terrorists who attack it and the people on this forum who deny it's right to defense.

I'm a Christian and support Israel.

I support Israel.


Added to the list.


Can I ask a question? Why would anyone want to join a "jew crew?" Whether your Jewish or Goyim, as you eloquently put it, I don't see the point?

It's better than OD's pointless "##" threads.

Signature tag-

[ Member # *Insert member number here* of the NSG Jew Crew ]


NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.Ultraextremesanity

I fully support Israels right to defend themselves against Hezbollah and any other foriegn state or terrorist force. All nations have the right to self defense .

Signature tag-

[ Member # *Insert member number here* of the NSG Jew Crew ]


NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.
Must one put that horrible name in their sig though? :rolleyes: I support Israel, but Jew Crew? Really...?

Israel is right, therefore I support them. I don't care about the recognition, however.

Must one put that horrible name in their sig though? :rolleyes: I support Israel, but Jew Crew? Really...?

Some other names I thought of

NSG Semite posse

NSG Hebrew hammer squad

ZOG group

Mad crazy semites

Children of Abraham Clan

Etc

NONE had the sound and ring of "Jew Crew" :D

We stave off the (World) community so that Israel can (kill more Arabs).yes.. that we do.

Israel is right, therefore I support them. I don't care about the recognition, however.

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.Ultraextreme sanity
19. Si Takena

NSG Semite posse

Aren't Arabs Semites too?

NSG Hebrew hammer squad

Funny movie. A lot of the Jewish-American cultural references went completely over my head, but it was funny nonetheless.

ZOG group

That would have been actually quite funny.

yes.. that we do.


Stop being such a blatant racist. Not all Arabs launch rockets at Israel. Don't assume so.

Stop being such a blatant racist. Not all Arabs launch rockets at Israel. Don't assume so.
Why not though? Assuming is fun. :(

Anyway, add me to your list if you like...I won't put it in my sig though...consider me a missing link or something.

Aren't Arabs Semites too?



Funny movie. A lot of the Jewish-American cultural references went completely over my head, but it was funny nonetheless.



That would have been actually quite funny.

It didn't go over you head Wall ;)

"100% circumsized hebrew!"

Arab's aren't semitic, AFAIK.

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.Ultraextreme sanity
19. Si Takena
20. Europa Maxima

Jew Crew list as of 10:30 Texas Time

It didn't go over you head Wall ;)

"100% circumsized hebrew!"

Arab's aren't semitic, AFAIK.

A lot of the jokes left me wondering WTF he was talking about.

Apparently the term "Semetic" originally described a language group, including Arabic and Hebrew. Eventually it came to be used to refer to the ethnicities that originally spoke those languages. According to the Wiki, anyway.

Must members put the title in their posts? If not, I'll join. I just think the title would be detrimental to debates in which people generally assume I am impartial.

I am Jewish, and I have spent much of the last much of my time online since the Gaza invasion attempting to shoot down racists. So, if it is not a requirement to put the title in our posts, may I join?

Must members put the title in their posts? If not, I'll join. I just think the title would be detrimental to debates in which people generally assume I am impartial.

I am Jewish, and I have spent much of the last much of my time online since the Gaza invasion attempting to shoot down racists. So, if it is not a requirement to put the title in our posts, may I join?

Go for it, you're #21. Welcome to the club, goyim!

Err, Fellow jew? :p

Although put something in your sigline, if you want. Or even in your location thingey....

I support Isreal.

Added to the list.




It's better than OD's pointless "##" threads.

fluffle time :D

Go for it, you're #21. Welcome to the club, goyim!

Err, Fellow jew? :p

I'm Jewish.

You can put me in Israels corner on this one.

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.Ultraextreme sanity
19. Si Takena
20. Europa Maxima
21. Congressional Dimwits
22. M3rcenaries
23. Admiral Canaris

10:57 Texas time

I support Isreal.then.. at least learn the name :D

I'm Jewish.


You didn't see the "Err, fellow Jew"? I was struggling to come up with the hebrew word for "Fellow Jew" or "Jew".

fluffle time :D

:fluffle:

I'm a bad boy.

then.. at least learn name :D
ROFL

Bomb Iran. :mad:

:fluffle:

I'm a bad boy.congrats..
you got 23 sigs in a very short time.

I happen to rather like Jews, and am a staunch supporter of Israel.

They seem to be decent enough people, and I know a Jew who lets me shoot his Glock .40 caliber pistol.

Bomb Iran. :mad:
So I suppose your an Israel supporter?

I happen to rather like Jews, and am a staunch supporter of Israel.

They seem to be decent enough people, and I know a Jew who lets me shoot his Glock .40 caliber pistol.
A Jew with a Glock?

Stop being such a blatant racist. Not all Arabs launch rockets at Israel. Don't assume so.

Rich words coming from someone who advocates defiling Islamic terrorists with pork before killing them. It'll increase terrorist recruitment rather than decrease it, and of course the whole suggestion is a profanity against Islam in general which generates sacrilegious outrage that the average Bushevik can only feel if Muslims were to sponsor an anti-war rally at The Wall hosted by Jane Fonda and Cindy Sheehan.

I support the rights of Jews and Arabs to live in a peaceful society.

I cannot support this:

UN Security Council shocked by Israeli air strike (http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20060730%2fIsrael_fighting_reaction_060730&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True)

The Sunday morning air strike left 56 people dead, most of them women and children........

The UN Security Council has yet to take a strong stance against the conflict, because the United States has disagreed on the necessity for an immediate ceasefire.

On Sunday, the council released a statement that said it "expresses its extreme shock and distress at the shelling by the Israeli Defense Forces of a residential building in Qana, in southern Lebanon, which has caused the killing of dozens of civilians, mostly children, and injured many others."

I support the rights of Jews and Arabs to live in a peaceful society.

I cannot support this:

UN Security Council shocked by Israeli air strike (http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20060730%2fIsrael_fighting_reaction_060730&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True)
Agreed … I get called a figging anti Semite for not liking how Israel is going about this… fuck that. It is a COUNTRY not a REALIGION regardless of who populates it I would disagree with this bullshit

I support the rights of Jews and Arabs to live in a peaceful society.

I cannot support this:

UN Security Council shocked by Israeli air strike (http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20060730%2fIsrael_fighting_reaction_060730&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True)

In a normal world, what I am about to say would be a crack pipe dream, but in today's climate don't be surprised if someone out there or even here on General dismisses it with something along the lines of "Those women and children were going to be terrorists anyway."

Agreed … I get called a figging anti Semite for not liking how Israel is going about this… fuck that. It is a COUNTRY not a REALIGION regardless of who populates it I would disagree with this bullshit

hahah very funny. The nation that is constantly criticized, lied about, and denied the right to defend its self on this forum just happens to be 76% Jewish and a close allie of the Unted States. Where are the thread conndemning Hezbollah? Ah, I would make one but people like you would turn it into an anti-Israel discussion thread. Bah humbug.

hahah very funny. The nation that is constantly criticized, lied about, and denied the right to defend its self on this forum just happens to be 76% Jewish and a close allie of the Unted States. Where are the thread conndemning Hezbollah? Ah, I would make one but people like you would turn it into an anti-Israel discussion thread. Bah humbug.
make one I would be most happy to lambast thoes hiding bastards ... what the hell are they thinking hiding in civilians like that
You assume too much of me just because my dislike of isreal in this mess is more then the Hez you assume I am for them ... idiodic mistake

I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.

:p

Catholic. Have had Jewish girlfriends. Pro-Israel all the way.

You could call me an "honorary Jew" :)

Sign me up #24.

One point I think you are all missing here is that Israel simply doesn't care. And why should they? For years they have been surrounded by nations dedicated to destroying the Israeli state. For years Palestinians and several other terrorist organizations have been dealing death to people living in the settlements on the West Bank and on the Gaza strip. Supposedly because they were in an occupied country. So they pulled out. Did the violence end? No. So much for that excuse. It continues, with, or without provocation. And probably always will. So innocent civilians are now dying. Hardly surprising. This IS war. Also, it wasn't like Israel didn't serve them notice of their intentions beforehand. They told them exactly where they were going to do, and where they were going to do it, and gave them plenty of time to evacuate. Is it unfortunate? Hell, yes. But it is THEIR war. Hezbollah locating themselves intentionally in and around civilian centers probably are not helping matters, and probably doing so just to incite world opinion against Israel. The one intelligent thing they have done, to date, if their goal is to unite the world against Israel. But it will probably also be the last. Israel will not quit until they feel their borders are safe. Ever. It is very easy for us to sit in our nice safe countries and to pass judgement on the Israeli state, when WE don't have to worry about a daily continued threat to our existence. Isreal has been under attack from day one of their existence as a nation.

So are they are overreacting? Probably. But I for one, cannot blame them.

make one I would be most happy to lambast thoes hiding bastards ... what the hell are they thinking hiding in civilians like that
You assume too much of me just because my dislike of isreal in this mess is more then the Hez you assume I am for them ... idiodic mistake

Barry's just another Bushevik. Dissent is Treason, and You're With Us or You're Against Us.

hahah very funny. The nation that is constantly criticized, lied about, and denied the right to defend its self on this forum just happens to be 76% Jewish and a close allie of the Unted States. Where are the thread conndemning Hezbollah? Ah, I would make one but people like you would turn it into an anti-Israel discussion thread. Bah humbug.You haven't made a thread condemning Hezbullah... He's a Hezbullah supporter! Get him!


:rolleyes:

I support Israel. I support a Jewish homeland, for the international Jewish population, and a place of worship for the Jewish people.

Israel is always blamed for thier hot-headedness in attacking. This time, a border post was overunn, several israeli soldiers were killed, and 2 taken hostage. This in addition to rocket attacks on Haifa. Here we have a repeat for Munich. The message. Dont fuck with Isreal. Everytime Israel is provoked they go into conflict. Maybe Hezbollah should have considered that, before provoking the IDF and sending south Lebanon to hell.

The terrorist organization Hezbollah is to blame.

hahah very funny. The nation that is constantly criticized, lied about, and denied the right to defend its self on this forum just happens to be 76% Jewish and a close allie of the Unted States. Where are the thread conndemning Hezbollah? Ah, I would make one but people like you would turn it into an anti-Israel discussion thread. Bah humbug.

If we started a thread condemning everything Hezbollah did wrong we wouldn't have time for anything else, now would we? You constantly complain about people putting Israel and Hezbollah on the same level, but this is exactly what you're doing here. You're acting as though we should hold Hezbollah and Israel to the same standard, which is quite silly. Condemnation of Hezbollah is implied in terming them a terrorist organization. We condemn Israel because more is expected of them because they're a democratic nation. Explicitly condemning Hezbollah would be as redundant as explicitly condemning a known mass murderer. You're the one equating Israel with Hezbollah, not us.

Some other names I thought of

NSG Semite posse

NSG Hebrew hammer squad

ZOG group

Mad crazy semites

Children of Abraham Clan

Etc

NONE had the sound and ring of "Jew Crew" :D
The problem with all these is that it sounds like all the members are Jews, and why the hell do none of these names have the word Israel in them???

In a normal world, what I am about to say would be a crack pipe dream, but in today's climate don't be surprised if someone out there or even here on General dismisses it with something along the lines of "Those women and children were going to be terrorists anyway."
Nits breed lice.
That genocidal maniac's justification for killing all the children in the Irish cities he raped. He was a "Christian" too.

hahah very funny. The nation that is constantly criticized, lied about, and denied the right to defend its self on this forum just happens to be 76% Jewish and a close allie of the Unted States. Where are the thread conndemning Hezbollah? Ah, I would make one but people like you would turn it into an anti-Israel discussion thread. Bah humbug.
Why is it only Israel and the US that take such radical measures of "self-defence"?

I support Israel completely.

However, I'm no Jew.

SNIP


Why is it only Israel and the US that take such radical measures of "self-defence"?

Possibly because they have to deal with the worst enemies.

It's how you spot evil: it is anti-jewish.

3rd Reich.
The old CCCP.
And guess who else?

Sign me up :) (not Jewish) I certainly don't support Israel bombing the bloody ambulances and UN posts, but Hezz needs to be destroyed and a ceasefire now would unfortunately ultimately hurt everyone, another war would just occur in the future.

Joshua 6:20

When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

I think someone in Israel has been reading Joshua eh?

hahah very funny. The nation that is constantly criticized, lied about, and denied the right to defend its self on this forum just happens to be 76% Jewish and a close allie of the Unted States. Where are the thread conndemning Hezbollah?

Posibly because we know where we're at with Hezbollah, they're evil bastards and not many people are going to discuss that so it wont make much of a thread.

I thought Israel was meant to be better than that though, as it seems, did a lot of other people. Now we're just seeing that they seem to be almost as bad as hezbollah even though some people still claim the IDF are basically good. Therein lies the debate.

I support Israel, now how do I put that into my signature? (See, not all Germans hate Jews!)

I support Israel.

I actually support the Palestinians as well.

But I do not support Hezbollah - they have no valid claim to any of the land in the area, and exist solely as a proxy force created by Iran for the sole purpose of attacking Israel.

Hezbollah also uses women, children, and UN observers as human shields.

LOL, just saw this (http://www.chaser.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3225&Itemid=26). Not quite sure what relevance it has, but just wanted to post it since it was funny. Meh.

Rice said she was considering taking "strict measures" against Israel to ensure proportionality, including selling the nation munitions at full price.

:D

LOL, just saw this (http://www.chaser.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3225&Itemid=26). Not quite sure what relevance it has, but just wanted to post it since it was funny. Meh.



:D


*giggles*

Best joke in ages!

i support Israel.. i also can't spell the word :P

i'm a Christian [technicly a "protestant" i guess. also technicly a fundamentalist. NOT a militant or ludite or anything else normaly associated with the term though]

one of many reasons i support israel is this: when they fight, the fight smart.

quite frankly, journalists are a risk to operational security for inteligence purposes and the like.. easy way to let them do their jobs and remove that problem: blast any method of transmittin data electronicly.

just as an example.

heck, anyone who fights intelligently without resorting to terrorisem has some limited amount of support from me. Israel gets more though, due to situation, among other things.

... palastine, on the other hand, gets none. i say this based on my knowledge of the history of the area, which may not be entirely complete, but it is te knowledge i have.

umm. so yeah, you can put me on the list i guess. it won't be going in my sig though.

what's the scripture? somewhere in proverbs... 'do not argue with a fool' i belive. can't remember teh whole thing. it would seem to me that israel has given up argueing with fools, and resorted to bashing heads... hopefully it works better.

once again, i lost my train of thought. tah's waht i get for getting involved in this kind of discusion at 3:12 am.

Possibly because they have to deal with the worst enemies.

It's how you spot evil: it is anti-jewish.

3rd Reich.
The old CCCP.
And guess who else?


In other words: Jump through hoops for the jews, or else youre a terrorist.

In other words: Jump through hoops for the jews, or else youre a terrorist.


in other words: i'm makeing things up that are nothing like what is being said.

yeash, at least pretend to be saying something he could possibly mean...


it is actually an interesting thing though...

other anti-jewish regiems/orginizations in history include some of [all of? the?] later [last?] Tzars [Czars?], Rome when it was going down hill, [i belive] the spanish at the time of the inquisition, most of the Crusaders dureing the crusades...

the list is long. there is a surpriseingly high overlap between powers that are anti-jew and powers that are corrupt/highly immoral from the generaly accepted standpoint/very harsh and upopular among their subjects/generaly not nice [there should be one word for all taht lot. i just can't think what it is]

In other words: Jump through hoops for the jews, or else youre a terrorist.


In other words leave the Jews alone and they will leave you alone .

I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.

:p
Sign me up for # 18.
Meh, I'm an agnostic, but I support them.
And this is partly due to the fact that the Palestinians remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python.

i support Israel.. i also can't spell the word :Pgood.. i mean...errr.. nevermind :D

"Jew-crew" .

LOL! Not all Jews are Israeli and not all Israelis are Jews. While I have always supported Israel I am having serious reservations as of late.

I fully support Israel....but I'm not sure about that list...."Jew Crew" sounds, oh, so middle school.:rolleyes: :p

[QUOTE=DesignatedMarksman]NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.Ultraextreme sanity
19. Si Takena
20. Europa Maxima
21. Congressional Dimwits
22. M3rcenaries
23. Admiral Canaris
24. New Mitanni
25. New Ausha
26. Bogmarsh
27. Hamilay
28. Neue Neue Deutschland
29. Deep Kimchi (<--How did you NOT see this? SLACKER!)
30.Angermanland
31. Demon 666
32. The Atlantian Islands
33. Spano

We're growing here, rapidly I might add.

List as of 12:20 Texas time, 8-1-06

Bomb Iran. :mad:

Sounds to me like you Support israel.

Yea? Nay?

I happen to rather like Jews, and am a staunch supporter of Israel.

They seem to be decent enough people, and I know a Jew who lets me shoot his Glock .40 caliber pistol.

I support Israel. I support a Jewish homeland, for the international Jewish population, and a place of worship for the Jewish people.

Israel is always blamed for thier hot-headedness in attacking. This time, a border post was overunn, several israeli soldiers were killed, and 2 taken hostage. This in addition to rocket attacks on Haifa. Here we have a repeat for Munich. The message. Dont fuck with Isreal. Everytime Israel is provoked they go into conflict. Maybe Hezbollah should have considered that, before provoking the IDF and sending south Lebanon to hell.

The terrorist organization Hezbollah is to blame.

Catholic. Have had Jewish girlfriends. Pro-Israel all the way.

You could call me an "honorary Jew" :)

Sign me up #24.

You are an Honorary member of the NSG jew Crew. I welcome you! (Even though you are a Goyim...;) )

Added to the list.


Rich words coming from someone who advocates defiling Islamic terrorists with pork before killing them. It'll increase terrorist recruitment rather than decrease it, and of course the whole suggestion is a profanity against Islam in general which generates sacrilegious outrage that the average Bushevik can only feel if Muslims were to sponsor an anti-war rally at The Wall hosted by Jane Fonda and Cindy Sheehan.

And I'll piss on thier porked faces and taunt them about how good it feels to be eating the chosen breakfast meat of an Infidel. I have absolutely no respect and no pity for those who are tortured as a result of their blatant disregard for human beings. Filthy savages. It worked with the Moros......

If and when they decide to act like rational human beings, I will treat them as such. Until then they are simply animals fit to be put down.

I have strong views on this issue.

I fully support Israel....but I'm not sure about that list...."Jew Crew" sounds, oh, so middle school.:rolleyes: :p

I covered this early

NSG Mad crazy semite posse

Katganistan's Trippin' rabbi crew

Hebrew hammer squad

Sword of David clan

Straight trippin' h3br3w kr3w

Tactical Grace's East side Rabbis

:p

I covered this early

NSG Mad crazy semite posse

Katganistan's Trippin' rabbi crew

Hebrew hammer squad

Sword of David clan

Straight trippin' h3br3w kr3w

Tactical Grace's East side Rabbis

:p
How about the STARlancers. Star-saders?

How about the STARlancers. Star-saders?

NSG Zionists?

I wish I could change the title of the thread....

NSG Zionists?

I wish I could change the title of the thread....
Kosher Knights Templars?

Despite having declared my support for Israel, I kind of have a problem with cluttering up my signature for what amounts to being a passing fancy. I also prefer not to post examples of what I'd consider to be personal examples or scintillating insight or comments that I consider humorous in my signature. Particularly if they're mine.......

Not jewish, support israel, dont want to be on the jew crew.

Kosher Knights Templars?

Not cool enough

Not cool enough
Yes it is!
Kosher Knights Templars?
OMG
THATS IT!

I covered this early

NSG Mad crazy semite posse

Katganistan's Trippin' rabbi crew

Hebrew hammer squad

Sword of David clan

Straight trippin' h3br3w kr3w

Tactical Grace's East side Rabbis

:p
Lol..those are soOoOo MTV style....and I'm not semitic, so the first one wouldnt work for me.:p

How about, "Jews for Justice"?

And I'll piss on thier porked faces and taunt them about how good it feels to be eating the chosen breakfast meat of an Infidel. I have absolutely no respect and no pity for those who are tortured as a result of their blatant disregard for human beings. Filthy savages. It worked with the Moros......

If and when they decide to act like rational human beings, I will treat them as such. Until then they are simply animals fit to be put down.

I have strong views on this issue.

O the Irony......

I don't support Israel, because of its brash tactics, its lack of diplomacy and its bad policies (foreign or otherwise).

"Jew Crew"??? Like... WTF mate! :)

I like thinking. You, however, do not provoke any thought in me.


Maybe if you had a clue...

http://www.tacoma.k12.wa.us/schools/es/arlington/Handbook/pawprint.jpg (http://www.nickjr.com/shows/blue/index.jhtml)


Just two more and you can go sit in your thinking chair...

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans

A list of people to watch out for. Thank you.

A list of people to watch out for. Thank you.
My thoughts as well...though it's not like any of those names come as a shock.

A list of people to watch out for. Thank you.


bite me bigot .

bite me bigot .
You're not even on the list.

"Jew crew"? Wankers...

Wait, my psychic powers are kicking in. I'm predicting a rival group...It will be named either "muslim mafia" or "palestine posse" and then we'll have two groups of wankers swimming around in the big pool of pure liquid stupidity that is NSG.

"Jew crew"? Wankers...

Wait, my psychic powers are kicking in. I'm predicting a rival group...It will be named either "muslim mafia" or "palestine posse" and then we'll have two groups of wankers swimming around in the big pool of pure liquid stupidity that is NSG.
There was an Anti-Jew Crew, for a few minutes.

i support israel(tsahal).
They have a right to fight back,like i support the unholy to react.


:headbang:

There was an Anti-Jew Crew, for a few minutes.

Wow...My psychic powers are awesome! Things happen before I even predict them!

Wow...My psychic powers are awesome! Things happen before I even predict them!
...That's awesome. lol

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans

Funnily enough, if you like on the Political Compass map of NationStates, many of these people are on the "Authoritarian Right" quadrant of the graph.

I think that both the Israelis and the Palestinians should stop killing each other over some religiously self-important tract of barren, dry desert. Makes no sense to me.

Is there any way to support Israel by NOT supporting the likes of DesignatedMarksman and the likes?!?!

I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.

:p
No, I don't support Israel. I don't support Palastine. I don't support any Arab nation or terrorist organization in that region. The whole area can go screw themselves as far as I'm concerned. The only reason anyone else cares about what happens in the area is the economic value of oil.

I know of a Few, Eutrusca, Deep Kimchi, a few others. Anyone want to form an NSG "Jew Crew"? It's open to anyone, even Goyim (Non-jews). The only requirement is that you be a supporter of Israel. Stick a little message in your signature, "Member # such-and-such of the NSG Jew Crew".

NSG JEW CREW LIST-
1. Designatedmarksman
2. New Stalinberg
3. Gibraltarland
4. Meath Street
5. IDF
6.Wolfensland
7.Maroze
8 People without names
9. Empress_Suiko
10. Quaon
11.Sel Appa
12.Earthican
13. Allcoolnamesaretaken
14.Surf Shack
15. Barry Goldwater
16.The Christiania
17.Free Shepmagans
18.

:p
I'm in. Assign me a number and I'll post it in my sig.

I support Iraq. :)

I guess there's no other way but to go insanely pro-Israel or... the other way then.

Or maybe those people capable to answer aren't awake at night/my time. Which is crappy policy....right..? ...

EDIT: I asked something 20 minutes ago... and you have this posse here, signed and all. I would want quicker answers, by jahve!

I guess there's no other way but to go insanely pro-Israel or... the other way then.

Or maybe those people capable to answer aren't awake at night/my time. Which is crappy policy....right..? ...

don't worry you are not alone
tudu(the fourth jingle)

Definitely pro-Isreal.
Because i'm well informed and intelligent.

Definitely pro-Isreal.
Because i'm well informed and intelligent.

So you support colonisation then? (and doesnt somebody else here use that "well informed" line a lot?)

So you support colonisation then? (and doesnt somebody else here use that "well informed" line a lot?)

Speaking as another well informed Israel supporter...

I support a two-state solution, provided the Palestinian State wasn't hostile to Israel. But that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.

Speaking as another well informed Israel supporter...

I support a two-state solution, provided the Palestinian State wasn't hostile to Israel. But that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.

The Two-State Solution has quite a few similiarities with Separate But Equal. And history shows how effective that was.

The Two-State Solution has quite a few similiarities with Separate But Equal. And history shows how effective that was.

What alternatives are there? A one state solution has more than a few similarities with Separate But Equal.