NationStates Jolt Archive

well i've gone through something of a political conversion recently myself... i'm a bit scared to take the test again :p (my score on there is a couple of months old)
i kinda agree with potaria now (from what i read of his explaination) in that i could support capitalism and communism... and i kinda do. what i mean is either is 'just' (any outcome is just - communism or capitalism) as long as the starting point is fair. of course there are other considerations to that (government needs to steer environmental and social policy, welfare and positive rights to health, education, shelter and the basics of life are still a must... so i'm still good and leftie!), but basically what i'm saying is my support for communism, exclusively, has waned in favour of policies and a governmental structure that will enable true meritocracy. as potaria said, people are not born equal, both in socioeconomic senses and talents and gifts etc. one can't legislate against the latter (as that would indeed be punishing the talented for something they had no control over recieving, which is just as bad as people having no choice in being born disadvantaged), but government can do things to ensure the former is equalled. therefore, equality of opportunity is what i support and prioritise these days, rather than only equality of outcome (as per communism).

anyway, i'll stop ranting now...

(edit: unfortunately that isn't something the political compass would take into account so.... i don't know where that leaves me :p )
I really shouldn't reply to this with my brain still switched off but hey, just try and make me stop. :p

What throws me a bit about that is that I've never even been close to communist to begin with and yet I score that far on the left.
Remember during the last NS elections when I said I couldn't honestly vote for the UDCP but rather voted Social Democrat instead? Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure that for example our very own dear Kilobugya is one of the most socially and politically responsible people you'd find anywhere (not to mention politically active, immeasurably more so than I am) so I certainly am not saying that communism is bad in any way. It's just not for me - I like a lot of the basic tenets in theory, but I just can't see most of it work in real life.

As I said further upthread, I'd describe myself as a green, leftist, social democrat. Or tree hugging, bleeding heart liberal, for our American friends. ;)

But I certainly did answer all the questions truthfully. So who says you'd automatically end up way over there on the other end of the scale like ol' Pot? :p

Or am I just suffering from some political split-personality myself? o.O

can someone explain to me how Junii and I get along so well and yet we are in completely opposite quadrants? isn't that against nature or something?!:confused:

No. Promoting inequality based on morally arbitrary things like the amount of talent someone is born with is not avoiding the punishment of the talented, it is, rather, the punishment of those who are not born as talented.

The notion of a "natural aristocracy" is as vile as the notion of any kind of aristocracy.

I'll go with Rawls on this one - inequalities based on natural talent are only justified insofar as they benefit those disadvantaged in that respect as well as those privileged.
that's what i thought, and i totally agreed with Rawls... and in fact, you're right on the mark as to where most of this new thinking comes from. i agree with Rawls for the most part up until he starts talking about natural talents being comparible with the artificial constructs of social and economic standing. this is simply not the case, and legislating over this would be at least ethically similar to discriminating against tall people, or fat people.... or black people, for example. you get the picture? socioeconomic considerations are one thing, but natural things are another, and just as a person born into a poor family should not be 'punished' for an outcome they had no possible choice in, so should a talented artist not be punished or legislated against for happening to be born with a talent. the veil of ignorance works both ways in some cases...

anyway, i'm not promoting a "natural aristocracy" at all. what i'm saying is that what is most important in any consideration of equality is equality of opportunity. that is, ensuring (somehow) that all men are indeed born equal and have the same opportunities in terms of not only, say, access to eduction, but the exact same level of education for all so none are advantaged over others. ditto inheriting assets (i would abolish).

in this way, in theory any distribution is 'just' (in terms of a veil of ignorance)... but not necessarily 'fair'. this is why socialised economic policies would still need to be very much in effect to ensure a more fair (or equal) distribution of outcome.

so i am not at all promoting a "natural aristocracy", only that the first consideration for any politicised theory of equality should consider equality of opportunity first, after which all else is still important but secondary.


I really shouldn't reply to this with my brain still switched off but hey, just try and make me stop. :p

What throws me a bit about that is that I've never even been close to communist to begin with and yet I score that far on the left.
Remember during the last NS elections when I said I couldn't honestly vote for the UDCP but rather voted Social Democrat instead? Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure that for example our very own dear Kilobugya is one of the most socially and politically responsible people you'd find anywhere (not to mention politically active, immeasurably more so than I am) so I certainly am not saying that communism is bad in any way. It's just not for me - I like a lot of the basic tenets in theory, but I just can't see most of it work in real life.

As I said further upthread, I'd describe myself as a green, leftist, social democrat. Or tree hugging, bleeding heart liberal, for our American friends. ;)

But I certainly did answer all the questions truthfully. So who says you'd automatically end up way over there on the other end of the scale like ol' Pot? :p

Or am I just suffering from some political split-personality myself? o.O
i'm not sure... the thing is i could be either, depending on how i look at things. one way, IF the world were a meritocracy and there were already a true equality of opportunity for all, then i would probably end up really more centrist or even (:eek: ) right-wing. actually, that's doubtful as, as i've said, even then (with all that follows being philisophically "just") i would still very much support welfare, free education, healthcare, positive rights, etc... so i'd probably end up more 'liberal'

if i look at it the other way, in terms of what i believe should be in the world as it stands as a corrupted pseudo-meritocracy, my views aren't represented in the questions IIRC, so... i don't know where i would end up.

if i keep true to what i do still believe, in that human nature is indeed malleable and in time more altruistic ways of life will be possible, then i'd support communism as per usual. i agree with you that it can't work in real life.... yet. in 200 years, who knows? (and yes, i certainly agree with what you say about our friend kilobuggy :))


see... i'm just not quite sure what's going on here :p
(i was tasked with overseeing the next election btw, and i said i would do it about nowish, but i have an important website to finish this week that takes priority. however, next week i should have some time to organise it :) i'll be entering a new party with my newfound thoughts...)

I am a minarchist, yet I support government action in the areas you mentioned...if the private market cannot provide there, that is. I'd never support communism as I am not an egalitarian. I am an elitist through and through. What I'd support is Hayek's, Roepke's and Friedman's versions of minarchism, which include a safety net and focus on formal equality and the natural aristocracy.

My support for a safety net does not stem from any genuine consideration for the poor or genetically inferior...I simply realise that not to give them the basics would be a cause for rebellion. They must be sated and have equal opportunity.

As for my results, they haven't changed.

What were yours PM?
well at least you support positive rights... that's rare for someone on the right of the political spectrum, in my experience :p

and my results are same as before as i'm too scared to retake the test :p

that's what i thought, and i totally agreed with Rawls... and in fact, you're right on the mark as to where most of this new thinking comes from. i agree with Rawls for the most part up until he starts talking about natural talents being comparible with the artificial constructs of social and economic standing. this is simply not the case, and legislating over this would be at least ethically similar to discriminating against tall people, or fat people.... or black people, for example. you get the picture? socioeconomic considerations are one thing, but natural things are another, and just as a person born into a poor family should not be 'punished' for an outcome they had no possible choice in, so should a talented artist not be punished or legislated against for happening to be born with a talent. the veil of ignorance works both ways in some cases...

And no one is proposing punishing the talented artist. Not Rawls, and not me. The question is whether the talented artist should be rewarded more than, say, the janitor solely because she was born with more talents than the janitor. Doing so would be equivalent to rewarding someone because she was born white instead of black, or blond-haired instead of brown-haired, etc.

If society values art, and it benefits society as a whole to encourage its production by paying the talented artist more, of course you could do it. But you would do it only if it would benefit society as a whole - not simply because the talented artist is talented.

"Equality in opportunity," at least when interpreted without regard for differences in talents, would result in such inequalities solely on the basis of natural talent. People are unequal in talents, but they are fundamentally equal in moral worth; as such, basing decisions on a person's talent is illegitimate.

anyway, i'm not promoting a "natural aristocracy" at all. what i'm saying is that what is most important in any consideration of equality is equality of opportunity. that is, ensuring (somehow) that all men are indeed born equal and have the same opportunities in terms of not only, say, access to eduction, but the exact same level of education for all so none are advantaged over others. ditto inheriting assets (i would abolish).

I agree on those points.

in this way, in theory any distribution is 'just' (in terms of a veil of ignorance)... but not necessarily 'fair'.

Why is it "just" in terms of the veil of ignorance? Anyone behind the veil of ignorance would have to consider the possibility of being an incompetent idiot in the resulting society, and would try to guarantee her own welfare even under such circumstances.

this is why socialised economic policies would still need to be very much in effect to ensure a more fair (or equal) distribution of outcome.

They would need to be in effect to ensure equality of opportunity anyway.

so i am not at all promoting a "natural aristocracy", only that the first consideration for any politicised theory of equality should consider equality of opportunity first, after which all else is still important but secondary.

I can accept the notion of "equality of opportunity" - but only when the unequal rewards permitted on that principle are distributed on the basis of morally relevant factors, like, say, the quantity of effort a person contributes to society. On this point I disagree with Rawls - there is no notion of merit in his system, and that is one of its biggest flaws.

well at least you support positive rights... that's rare for someone on the right of the political spectrum, in my experience :p

and my results are same as before as i'm too scared to retake the test :p
I'm a libertarian, so it's not too surprising. I do have fascist predilections, but I give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are not utter and complete morons, hence I am minarchist. Go on, take the test. ;)

Mine's in my sig and are -6.something for both.

Sent them through the form earlier.

You can see my results in my sig.

Are you trying to say that you beleive Wikipedia?

I'm sorry to say this, but comming from a technologically oriented family, there's no way I could possibly grant any accuracy to Wikipedia.

The heck does "a technologically oriented family" have to do with Wikipedia?

It really can't be trusted.

Is there a problem in the Socialism article you'd like to point out?

Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.1

Are you trying to say that you beleive Wikipedia?

I'm sorry to say this, but comming from a technologically oriented family, there's no way I could possibly grant any accuracy to Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is a valuable source for informal debate and discussion, much as what we're doing right here. It is considered unacceptable for serious academic work for the reasons you cite, but under the conditions of a debate on an internet forum Wikipedia is to be considered acceptable, when subscription services are not readily available.

It is espescially valuable in situations with commonplace topics, such as the basics of socialism, or recipes for chocolate cake. This is because of the amount it is reviewed, not only by the general public, but because the wikipedia editors keep an eye on such tension capable topics.


It really can't be trusted.
It really can, you're just being a tightwad.

Wikipedia is a valuable source for informal debate and discussion, much as what we're doing right here. It is considered unacceptable for serious academic work for the reasons you cite, but under the conditions of a debate on an internet forum Wikipedia is to be considered acceptable, when subscription services are not readily available.

It is espescially valuable in situations with commonplace topics, such as the basics of socialism, or recipes for chocolate cake. This is because of the amount it is reviewed, not only by the general public, but because the wikipedia editors keep an eye on such tension capable topics.



That's crazy talk

That's crazy talk

"AWWK- That's crazy talk AWWWK" [/parrot]

That's the most horrible score I've ever seen :p
You wish you could be a Hitler Pope Crossbreed!:mad:

why did fd call himself "omniperesent spam king. change it to fascist dominion, because he is NOT the spam king. he doesent even spam.
gay...

Economic Left/Right: -2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72

HeadOn Apply directly to the forehead
HeadOn Apply directly to the forehead
HeadOn Apply directly to the forehead
Ah so you have seen that shit.:p

I am left and liberal, apparently.

-3 Something for economics and
-5 Something for whatever the other category was lol :p

huh? :confused:
lol, Zidane!

I am left and liberal, apparently.

-3 Something for economics and
-5 Something for whatever the other category was lol :p
Nazi!:mad:
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Harlesburg
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.49

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03

Someone needs to put it up for me... I can't get onto the Post Results site. Down or Great Firewalled? Dunno.

Nazi!:mad:
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Actually, I am in the opposite area to Hitler.

Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

yay! i'm gandhi..... :)

come my children, let's go get some salt..... and piss off some imperialists :D

Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

yay! i'm gandhi..... :)

come my children, let's go get some salt..... and piss off some imperialists :D
Pretty close to me!

Me to Harlesburg:
"Hey I'm really close to Ghandi"

:D

Pretty close to me!

Me to Harlesburg:
"Hey I'm really close to Ghandi"

:D

sweet!

let's join a fan club or something! :D

i'm guessing he typed a plus when he meant a minus... but i'm not going to correct it unless he says so :-S
lol

sweet!

let's join a fan club or something! :D
Definitely.

*looks at graph*

Shit we could have lots of members! :D

Pretty close to me!

Me to Harlesburg:
"Hey I'm really close to Ghandi"

:D
Hey i'm close to Pope!:)

sweet!

let's join a fan club or something! :D
Ghandi was a douche!

I mean peacefull protest...wtf?

Hey i'm close to Hitler!:)
Fixed!
:D

Hey i'm close to Pope!:)
Sig'd-ish.

Ghandi was a douche!

I mean peacefull protest...wtf?

hey, are you knocking nonviolence?? :mad:

*punches posi in the face*

yeah, i think you'll think twice before wtfing peaceful process, bitch

Actually, I am in the opposite area to Hitler.
:rolleyes:
Talk to the hand!

Fixed!
:D
W00T!:cool:

Sig'd-ish.
W00Tx2:cool:
Harlesburg's the freaking Pope!

hey, are you knocking nonviolence?? :mad:

*punches posi in the face*

yeah, i think you'll think twice before wtfing peaceful process, bitch
Just my point. You knew that not eating and the like wouldn't do shit to change my mind. You had to resort to violence to win.

*attaches electrodes to Eh-oh's balls*

I win. :)

I am left and liberal, apparently.

-3 Something for economics and
-5 Something for whatever the other category was lol :p
I knew it.:fluffle:

Harlesburg
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.49

Just my point. You knew that not eating and the like wouldn't do shit to change my mind. You had to resort to violence to win.

*attaches electrodes to Eh-oh's balls*

I win. :)
:eek: :(

I knew it.:fluffle:

Harlesburg
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.49
Wow, someone's a lil statist.

W00T!:cool:
I beat you by 3 points in virtual rugby.
:fluffle:

Fixed!
:D
Hey i am nowhere near Hitler...

I beat you by 3 points in virtual rugby.
:fluffle:
Yeah and my cousin got 45...:(

Hey i'm close to Pope!:)
I'm closest to Fass.

hey, are you knocking nonviolence?? :mad:

*punches posi in the face*

yeah, i think you'll think twice before wtfing peaceful process, bitch
:eek:

Just my point. You knew that not eating and the like wouldn't do shit to change my mind. You had to resort to violence to win.

*attaches electrodes to Eh-oh's balls*

I win. :)

it would help if i had balls though...

I'm closest to Fass.
Is that something to be proud of?

Wow, someone's a lil statist.
I'm trying to get PM to add me...

:rolleyes:
Talk to the hand!

Actually, I don't think I'll talk to you at all :)

Actually, I don't think I'll talk to you at all :)
:eek:
I hope you don't mean that.:(

it would help if i had balls though...
*Geneticall engineers Eh-oh so she has balls which I could attach electrodes to*

What? If I attached them to her breasts you'd call me a pervert.

Is that something to be proud of?
Maybe

I'm trying to get PM to add me...
i've been asleep :(

i've been asleep :(
Wuss!

Wuss!
i need to learn how to sleep-post :p

i need to learn how to sleep-post :p
That'd be awesome.

Yeah and my cousin got 45...:(
My friend from school got 48 :(

St Patricks (Kilbernie) FTW!!

I'm closest to Fass.
Lucky you. Seriously.

Lucky you. Seriously.
:confused:

Just my point. You knew that not eating and the like wouldn't do shit to change my mind. You had to resort to violence to win.

*attaches electrodes to Eh-oh's balls*

I win. :)
Careful what you do with my fellow Ghandiesque group member!!!

:confused:
Fass is cool.

Fass is cool.
A little to cool....

A little to cool....
Perhaps.. Hmm.

Fass is cool.

That's because he's dead Jim.

That's because he's dead Jim.
Dead?

Where have you been?!?

That's because he's dead Jim.
So's Fonzy, but that doesn't make him any less cool.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b263/fonzyiswaycool/fonzy.jpg

So's Fonzy, but that doesn't make him any less cool.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b263/fonzyiswaycool/fonzy.jpg

Fonzy isnt dead. He just is so old he smells that way. Fass is though

Fonzy isnt dead. He just is so old he smells that way. Fass is though
As I said.. Where the fuck have you been?

"Fass" is alive and kicking.

i've been asleep :(
*shakes PM*
ADD ME!!!

As I said.. Where the fuck have you been?

"Fass" is alive and kicking.
Fass PIITB.

Dead?

Where have you been?!?

Hollywood, Redwood, I searched the ocean for a heart of gold..
Ive been in my mind it's such a fine line.

Still that leaves us with an expired Fass
An ex Fass
A Fass carcass
The Fass, he eez extinct senor
Fass assumed room temperature
The norwegian Blue fass with it's beautiful plummage has fallen to the bottom of it's lovely gilded cage and just lies there no matter which kind of stick you prod it with

As I said.. Where the fuck have you been?

"Fass" is alive and kicking.

What the fuck business is it of yours where I have been you fabricating little dim glow. Fass is dead.

*shakes PM*
ADD ME!!!
BREAKFAST!!! (first)

As I said.. Where the fuck have you been?

"Fass" is alive and kicking.
:rolleyes:

BREAKFAST!!! (first)
Share it with me!

BREAKFAST!!! (first)
Once again Harlesburg has been pwnt by pancakes.

:rolleyes:
:eek:

BREAKFAST!!! (first)
So you do sleep?

Once again Harlesburg has been pwnt by pancakes.

At least it wasnt waffles

Once again Harlesburg has been pwnt by pancakes.
He is having Pancakes?:eek:
That fiend!:(

At least it wasnt waffles
The Luftwaffles nearly defeated Britain!:cool:

What the fuck business is it of yours where I have been you fabricating little dim glow. Fass is dead.
:eek:

I just want to know so I can stalk you.

As for Fass, he is truely alive. I swear on it!

:eek:

I just want to know so I can stalk you.

As for Fass, he is truely alive. I swear on it!

Fass is dead. Baguetten is TAFKAF. But Baguetten is Baguetten and not Fass.

My friend from school got 48 :(

St Patricks (Kilbernie) FTW!!
Wrong Thread!:(

Fass is dead. Baguetten is TAFKAF. But Baguetten is Baguetten and not Fass.
Lies.

Fass is dead. Baguetten is TAFKAF. But Baguetten is Baguetten and not Fass.
Deutches Afrika Korps?
Desert Air Force?
Panzer Armee Afrika?
:eek:

Lies.
Not really.

Not really.
I don't like you anymore.

Away with you.

I don't like you anymore.

Away with you.
I've never like him. But that could just be the castration talking.

I've never like him. But that could just be the castration talking.
Fair enough.

Good call.

Be gone Ruffy, into the abyss!:mad:

I don't like you anymore.

Away with you.
I'll follow you into the dark.

*starts singing*

Be gone Ruffy, into the abyss!:mad:
Huzah!

I've never like him. But that could just be the castration talking.
*throws potato at your head*

*throws potato at your head*
Pan fry that and serve it biotch!

I'll follow you into the dark.

*starts singing*
Singing what exactly? :eek:

Pan fry that and serve it biotch!
*searches for cook ebook*

Pan fry that and serve it biotch!
Can I have some too?

Singing what exactly? :eek:
Death Cab For Cutie

Duh!

Pan fry that and serve it biotch!
Get in the Kitchen Bitch, and do it yourself!:mad:

*searches for cook ebook*
Broil bacon, biotch!

Death Cab For Cutie

Duh!
*blinks*

Get in the Kitchen Bitch, and do it yourself!:mad:
:upyours:

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dear.

Death Cab For Cutie

Duh!
Is that one of your gay Emo ballads or a gay emo band?:(

Get in the Kitchen Bitch, and do it yourself!:mad:
"Cook me some eggs bitch!"

Once Were Warriors anyone? :D

*blinks*
:rolleyes:

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:upyours:

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dear.
It is a bubble pipe moron, you don't smoke anything with it!:rolleyes:

Is that one of your gay Emo ballads or a gay emo band?:(
:(
Emo=gaia.

"Cook me some eggs bitch!"

Once Were Warriors anyone? :D
Cook the man some fucken eggs!:mad:

Is that one of your gay Emo ballads or a gay emo band?:(
Lyke, no!

:rolleyes:

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1 seconds!

:(
Emo=gaia.
Mother earth?:eek:
No no it isn't...

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tadaa.... *sighs and goes back to sleep*

Broil bacon, biotch!
*Starts beating with with what's left of my severed penis*

It is a bubble pipe moron, you don't smoke anything with it!:rolleyes:
*throws potato at your head*

Cook the man some fucken eggs!:mad:
Uncle fucking Billy!

Mother earth?:eek:
No no it isn't...
It's a Samoan word.

*Starts beating with with what's left of my severed penis*
Twig!

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tadaa.... *sighs and goes back to sleep*
Awesome work PM :).



I'm just a stones throw away from TBD!

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tadaa.... *sighs and goes back to sleep*
You may need to think up some colour cordination scheme to cleanup the bottom left...

It's a Samoan word.
Royght..

Royght..
:)
Can't remember what it means though. Probably isn't event the right spelling.

Royght..
Don't you have some Tongans to murder?:mad:

Don't you have some Tongans to murder?:mad:
:mad:
Tongans are awesome.

*throws potato at your head*
Don't waste food!:mad:

Don't you have some Tongans to murder?:mad:
Kahchya.

Twig!
Royght...
http://grafika.rockets.e-basket.pl/pics/posey/posey02.jpg
Even in B-Ball trunks, you can still see my bulg.

EDIT:Or at least you used to.:mad:

:mad:
Tongans are awesome.
He killed the Tongan Prince!:mad:

He killed the Tongan Prince!:mad:
OMG!!!

*angry*

Royght..
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Whatcha gonna do now?

Awesome work PM :).



I'm just a stones throw away from TBD!
:)
You may need to think up some colour cordination scheme to cleanup the bottom left...
just done some counting and if excel's done it right, there are:

77 double-negative (socialist/liberal) posters in the bottom-left
12 double-positive posters in the top-right
7 posters in the top-left
30 posters in the bottom-right (conservatives)



most left:
Soheran -9.88
Surazal -9.75
Donkey Kongo -9.69
New Burmesia -9.50
Whereyouthinkyougoing -9.50


most right:
Andaluciae 8.25
Neo Kervoskia 8.63
Si Takena 9.75
Greill 10.00
theblitz 10.00

most libertarian:Donkey Kongo -10.00
Potarius -10.00
Refused Party Program -9.64
Whereyouthinkyougoing -8.87
Kanabia -8.77

most authoritarian:JT 5.08
Harlesburg 5.49
The State of Georgia 6.26
Jenrak 6.43
Me AKA Myself 9.52

30 posters in the bottom-right (conservatives)

Conservatives are top-right :p

I-I-I--I'm on the right..

:eek:

Economic Left/Right: 1.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44

Conservatives are top-right :p
oh fair enough... i'm tired and have given up caring

Royght...
http://grafika.rockets.e-basket.pl/pics/posey/posey02.jpg
Even in B-Ball trunks, you can still see my bulg.

EDIT:Or at least you used to.:mad:
Gone. :p

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tadaa.... *sighs and goes back to sleep*

Damn commies! :mad:

OMG!!!

*angry*
With my SUV!!

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Whatcha gonna do now?
*puts a chastity belt on you*

Authoritarian left = me ( Yeah! ).

Economic Left/Right: -2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.92

Of course you may question Authority.
But only after you have displayed your submissive obedience.

oh fair enough... i'm tired and have given up caring

Been busy, eh? *nudge*

Awesome work PM :).



I'm just a stones throw away from TBD!

Indeed, good work, PM :)

Indeed, good work, PM :)
:fluffle:

:fluffle:

^_^ :fluffle:

With my SUV!!
:(
Cruel bastard. That prince was a good guy.

On topic: wow, it sucks being just another double negative :(

:fluffle:
Don't I get a fluffle? :(

just had a cool thought. if we do one of these again (using the same files etc) in a couple of months, could do a morph thing and actually see how the general balance of political opinion shifts in this place... (if everyone re-takes the test)

Don't I get a fluffle? :(
you get two :fluffle: :fluffle:

you get two :fluffle: :fluffle:
Thanks :)

That idea is good.. Very good infact. You are a smart thinker.

just had a cool thought. if we do one of these again (using the same files etc) in a couple of months, could do a morph thing and actually see how the general balance of political opinion shifts in this place... (if everyone re-takes the test)
Ooo, that would be really cool :)
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:(
Cruel bastard. That prince was a good guy.

On topic: wow, it sucks being just another double negative :(
Suck it.

Ooo, that would be really cool :)
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Thanks :)

That idea is good.. Very good infact. You are a smart thinker.

yayness :) :fluffle:

it shall be done.

you get two :fluffle: :fluffle:
Your girlfriend is here, don't make me do my job in front of her.

*is looking the other way ATM*

Suck it.
No. I'm not homosexual.

No. I'm not homosexual.
.. I was talking about a mint..

.. I was talking about a mint..
You didn't specify that. So you lose.

You didn't specify that. So you lose.
You're the one thinking about sucking dick.

You're the one thinking about sucking dick.
Dick?! Oh God no!

Dick?! Oh God no!
Pervert.

Pervert.
You are.

[/hijack]

I don't like being in the boring double negative!! I feel like a sheep. Hopefully my views change next month so on the next graph I can be double positive.

I just need to post so I can get my results from my signature...

I just need to post so I can get my results from my signature...
Hee, well, if you like to keep your lurker status in the future, you can also just click on "profile" in the upper left hand corner under the NS banner and look at your sig there (basically where you created it in the first place). :p

Hee, well, if you like to keep your lurker status in the future, you can also just click on "profile" in the upper left hand corner under the NS banner and look at your sig there (basically where you created it in the first place). :p
Aww WYTYG.. You're so wise.

Aww WYTYG.. You're so wise.
Aw, you know how our lurkers are - always so shy and looking to stay behind cover. ;)

Aww WYTYG.. You're so wise.
Wise, beautiful, and nice. :fluffle:

Aw, you know how our lurkers are - always so shy and looking to stay behind cover. ;)
Hehe, too true.

Keep up the good work ma'am. :fluffle:

Wise, beautiful, and nice. :fluffle:
Quoted for truth.

Actually that score means he is a communist. Double negative scores are Libertarian.


Take that back!:mad:
I am no libertarian.

scores in sig.

EDIT: Libertarians are to the right economically.

A long while ago (before my time) there was a political compass graph for people of NS General, someone made one recently (within the last 8 months) but it didn't have many people on it, and really didn't get off the ground.

I thought it would be neat to do another, and since I have zero technical knowledge I got help from Pure Metal.

Take the test here. (http://www.politicalcompass.org)

Fill in your results here. (http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/politicalcompass.htm)

Current version
here. (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1-2.jpg)


You can post your results in the thred if you want, but unless you fill in the form at the link above I really can't guarantee you will make the graph, Pure Metal has been so nice as to make this workable for a girl like me, and really I am too lazy to wade through posts.

Mods- I will come back and bump this a few times, I will try not to make excessive bumps but I want everyone to get a chance to be on the graph, thanks.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97 :)

A long while ago (before my time) there was a political compass graph for people of NS General, someone made one recently (within the last 8 months) but it didn't have many people on it, and really didn't get off the ground.

I thought it would be neat to do another, and since I have zero technical knowledge I got help from Pure Metal.

Take the test here. (http://www.politicalcompass.org)

Fill in your results here. (http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/politicalcompass.htm)

Current version
here. (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1-2.jpg)


You can post your results in the thred if you want, but unless you fill in the form at the link above I really can't guarantee you will make the graph, Pure Metal has been so nice as to make this workable for a girl like me, and really I am too lazy to wade through posts.

Mods- I will come back and bump this a few times, I will try not to make excessive bumps but I want everyone to get a chance to be on the graph, thanks.

I have found that this test leaves out some issues, and thereby is not entirely accurate.

I have found that this test leaves out some issues, and thereby is not entirely accurate.
It also fails in understanding other parts of certain issues as well. I feel that the test inaccurately represents certain viewpoints. My favorite example is the "Are businessmen more important to society than artists" question. I find that statement ridiculous. An excellent artist is more important than a shoddy businessman, and vice-versa. Neither is more important. If they're excellent, then they're important, if they aren't, then they aren't. After all, Richard Halley was a key person in the valley in Atlas Shrugged.

All the same, it's probably the most thorough test available for quick, internetty use.

*puts a chastity belt on you*
What is that going to do? You removed my unit.:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Booyah Grandma!

What is that going to do? You removed my unit.:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Maybe but I regrew it and added a few enhancements. You can destroy that chastity belt anytime you feel like.

Say, what's up with the other lines, the ones apart from social and economic issues?

woo! new score :D

Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31



pretty much same as before... more left and a bit more authoritarian. bah :P

woo! new score :D

Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31



pretty much same as before... more left and a bit more authoritarian. bah :P
See? You didn't cross over to the dark side like Potaria ;) (j/k). Why, we even have the same Economic score. :fluffle:

Wise, beautiful, and nice. :fluffle:
Hehe, too true.

Keep up the good work ma'am. :fluffle:
Aww, you two are too sweet. :)

....

Okay, what do you want? :p

Aww, you two are too sweet. :)

....

Okay, what do you want? :p
Can't a guy just be nice to someone and not have to want something?!

Can't a guy just be nice to someone and not have to want something?!

Dunno...;)

Aww, you two are too sweet. :)

....

Okay, what do you want? :p

Presumably you. :p

:fluffle:

Aww, you two are too sweet. :)

....

Okay, what do you want? :p

If they dont want anything and you are offering then I do!

Right Wing Quad baby!

Econ/7.19
Social/3.59

Latest scores -8.38, -7.18 I keep drifting toward the lower left-hand corner. Good.

Right Wing Quad baby!

Econ/7.19
Social/3.59


Damn Fundies.....:p

I should be in the big empty bit on the lower-left part, I think. Heehee. Time to test...

Damn Fundies.....:p
Lol..Oh, please..."fundie"...pffft.:p

Aww, you two are too sweet. :)

....

Okay, what do you want? :p
Its just truth and you should be wise enough to know that! :p
Are you offering ... something? :D :fluffle:

Economic Left/Right: -9.44
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.64


Eh, same Social as usual, but I've gone more left in the Economic stuff... :D

Dunno...;)
Heh, well I can.

Go me.

Ontopic: I'm going to do the test again tomorrow :fluffle:.

Can't a guy just be nice to someone and not have to want something?!
Presumably you.:p

:fluffle:
If they dont want anything and you are offering then I do!
Its just truth and you should be wise enough to know that! :p
Are you offering ... something? :D :fluffle:
Heh, well I can.

Go me.
Awwww. I really should go to bed more often - there's always the nicest things said about me when I come back.

Okay, so :fluffle: for everybody.







....







Seriously now, what do you want? :p

Seriously now, what do you want? :p
Pancakes! Glorious Pancakes!

Surprising to no one, i took the last political compass thingie, and i plotted almost EXACTLY with Gandhi.
Cool. :)

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

Every time I take this damn thing, I creep a little closer to the center. More so on the social stuff this time, but economics too. The trick, of course, is determining whether that reflects me losing my ideological edge and turning into a cranky old conservative (bad, especially since I'm only 17...too young!), or if it reflects a better understanding of more complex issues. I'm voting for the latter.

Economic Left/Right: 5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.26

Slightly more (0.13) to the Econimic left than last time. More than a point less (-1.44) on the Social scale this time.

Been a while since i posted but I think its in my sig

EDIT: yup there it is

Love the compass and I do tests on there every two months or so. Find it interesting as I'm studying politics. It is, however, flawed. Most people answer it in the ideal way. You answer the questions as though you're listning to John Lennon's 'Imagine' - with a smile and a 'Yeah, thats a good idea'.

For example:

Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold.

Ideally I'd say, ''Absolutely - its a silly idea to trade land' and quickly click 'Strongly Agree'. However with further thought doing so would create anarchy and serious problems.

Also most people answer the class/nationality question by saying, 'Strong Agree - class divides us more'. Pure and simply (in my eyes) thats right. Around us in America, Germany, UK or Australia people are split up due to how much they earn. But clicking 'Strongly Agree' places a level headed person with the 'Marxists' as its a strong Marxist idea.

Basically if you come out as strong left wing and very Liberal don't be suprised - most people do. Its because I believe that psychologically we answer those questions as though we're creating a new and better world. So if you go and vote Libertarian or Democrat yet you're cast as a strong lefty don't get confused. No compass will tell you were you are placed - only you can.

Oh if you wondered I'm:

Economic minus 2.50
Social minus 1.75

If someone came up to me in the street and asked my political views I'd say centrist/ social-democrat/liberal/green. I think I'll turn thirty before I find a suitable ideology of really right on organisation to support my views.

Love the compass and I do tests on there every two months or so. Find it interesting as I'm studying politics. It is, however, flawed. Most people answer it in the ideal way. You answer the questions as though you're listning to John Lennon's 'Imagine' - with a smile and a 'Yeah, thats a good idea'.

For example:

Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold.

Ideally I'd say, ''Absolutely - its a silly idea to trade land' and quickly click 'Strongly Agree'. However with further thought doing so would create anarchy and serious problems.

Also most people answer the class/nationality question by saying, 'Strong Agree - class divides us more'. Pure and simply (in my eyes) thats right. Around us in America, Germany, UK or Australia people are split up due to how much they earn. But clicking 'Strongly Agree' places a level headed person with the 'Marxists' as its a strong Marxist idea.

Basically if you come out as strong left wing and very Liberal don't be suprised - most people do. Its because I believe that psychologically we answer those questions as though we're creating a new and better world. So if you go and vote Libertarian or Democrat yet you're cast as a strong lefty don't get confused. No compass will tell you were you are placed - only you can.

That is, of course, absolutely true.
And I really should have remembered all that before posting wondering about how come I'm so very far left. Not because I don't like it there - after all it is very much my political ideal/dream- but because it doesn't really reflect my "day to day" political sensibilities.

I'm so going to ace my Political Degree;)

But yes. I'd say most people unless they were hard on Republicans or straigh out Capitalists would say:

''Yeah! Land shouldnt be sold!''

Or

''Man, thinking about it...water shouldnt be bottled! Its a crazy idea!''

Or

''How much money you earn choose where you are in the US - not your colour''

Or

''Good point! Businesses shouldnt be allowed to make monopolys!''

Do so and you're a 'damned lefty'. When I first took the test I was minus eight economically. Yet I pledge support towards parties such as the Democrats and Liberal Democrats. Don't asnwer questions straight away. Think about them as though they were Bills you were bringing into law. If you're land was no longer owned by you and was avaliable to everyone...would that really be that great?


***

EDIT:

Challenge:

Take the test and try to come out as eight or more both economically and socially.

Is it possible that the compass is ever so slightly aimed at making you think you're a anarcho-syndalist?

I'm on the right :(

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05

:)

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

Every time I take this damn thing, I creep a little closer to the center. More so on the social stuff this time, but economics too. The trick, of course, is determining whether that reflects me losing my ideological edge and turning into a cranky old conservative (bad, especially since I'm only 17...too young!), or if it reflects a better understanding of more complex issues. I'm voting for the latter.

The test is imperfect... it avoids issues such as term limits, government size, and imprisonment.

Economic Left/Right: -2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64

i'm feeling lazy so... here's an update but its a PDF cos i can't be arsed to do it properly


graph v1.3 (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/pc pdf.pdf)

data as of today at 1.25pmGMT

Aww, I'm not on there yet.

There seems to be a clustering of NSers in the minus-minus area, but I guess it kinda confirms the leftie nature of NSG. :)

I'm a centrist leftie.

I'm so going to ace my Political Degree;)

But yes. I'd say most people unless they were hard on Republicans or straigh out Capitalists would say:

''Yeah! Land shouldnt be sold!''

Or

''Man, thinking about it...water shouldnt be bottled! Its a crazy idea!''

Or

''How much money you earn choose where you are in the US - not your colour''

Or

''Good point! Businesses shouldnt be allowed to make monopolys!''

Do so and you're a 'damned lefty'. When I first took the test I was minus eight economically. Yet I pledge support towards parties such as the Democrats and Liberal Democrats. Don't asnwer questions straight away. Think about them as though they were Bills you were bringing into law. If you're land was no longer owned by you and was avaliable to everyone...would that really be that great?


***

EDIT:

Challenge:

Take the test and try to come out as eight or more both economically and socially.

Is it possible that the compass is ever so slightly aimed at making you think you're a anarcho-syndalist?

Actually, I didn't say that on the land or bottled water thing.

I thought about it, and even if it can't happen practically I still think it's a good idea. Sorta. So just Agree for me.
On page 11...
That doesn't explain it.

i'm feeling lazy so... here's an update but its a PDF cos i can't be arsed to do it properly


graph v1.3 (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/pc pdf.pdf)

data as of today at 1.25pmGMT



Since i 'improved' my computer images can be real bitches.:(
Nation States 60211-358311

Pure Metal do you have Molelands cellphone number?
Could you message him or TIN or TInk even to find out what he is up to?


Prease.:(

i'm feeling lazy so... here's an update but its a PDF cos i can't be arsed to do it properly


graph v1.3 (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/pc pdf.pdf)

data as of today at 1.25pmGMT


Howzat? I'm so close to the Pope.

*pleased*

Howzat? I'm so close to the Pope.

*pleased*
Me?:)

Me?:)


Kai tu, Harlesburg?

Since i 'improved' my computer images can be real bitches.:(
Nation States 60211-358311

Pure Metal do you have Molelands cellphone number?
Could you message him or TIN or TInk even to find out what he is up to?


Prease.:(
i think tink lost her phone or it died, or something.... so she won't know.
i never had his number.

though i'll text TIN later if you really want...

though i'll text TIN later if you really want...

Say hi from me. :)

i think tink lost her phone or it died, or something.... so she won't know.
i never had his number.

though i'll text TIN later if you really want...
Oh yeah lol...
TInk kind of did lose her phone.:p
Yes i would like that very much so.:)

Kai tu, Harlesburg?
Actually no.
Crap.
I'm more Right Wing than i used to be.:( :confused: :eek: http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif

i think tink lost her phone or it died, or something.... so she won't know.
i never had his number.

though i'll text TIN later if you really want...
you want me to try to contact her at Paradise Beach?

you want me to try to contact her at Paradise Beach?
nah tink lost her phone and won't know his number i should think

Oh yeah lol...
TInk kind of did lose her phone.:p
Yes i would like that very much so.:)
i forgot today. sorry :(
will do it in the morning

you want me to try to contact her at Paradise Beach?
Er...

-snippage-
i forgot today. sorry :(
will do it in the morning
:p
Yeah ok cool.

Pure Metal?:p




I lied to Posi.:(

The link wasnt working. But you can please get me up on the graph, thanks.

Economic Left/Right: 4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.67

i'm feeling lazy so... here's an update but its a PDF cos i can't be arsed to do it properly
The PDF's far better - the file is much smaller.

The PDF's far better - the file is much smaller.
Agreed, I could never get the last one of these to track properly.

Oh, and me added, too.

The PDF's far better - the file is much smaller.
I agree, it is more fun to view too! :D

I seem to move further and further left every time I take that thing, LOL.

I seem to move further and further left every time I take that thing, LOL.
me too, it's really starting to scare me..... when I started I was as right as you could get and on the actual line that divides, Libertarian from Authoritarian, but now I am further left and further Lib (which the lib doesn't bother me...)

me too, it's really starting to scare me..... when I started I was as right as you could get and on the actual line that divides, Libertarian from Authoritarian, but now I am further left and further Lib (which the lib doesn't bother me...)

Well, I used to fall right between Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. I figured I was in good company. Now I'm closer to Mandela. Still feel like I'm in pretty good company. =)

The PDF's far better - the file is much smaller.
yeah the PDF is way better actually... not sure why i didn't think of it before (its way easier for me, too)

this will be the last update i do for a while, now with over 200 posters charted:
graph 1.4 (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/political compass1-4.pdf)


next month sometime (maybe 2 months) i'll make a new thread if thats ok with smunkee and do that morphing thingy (not sure how it'll work but can but try :))

Yay 5th most economically right! ALLAHU AKBAR, motherfuckers!

Hmm, I just noticed I'm not as liberal as I used to be. Droppred to -8.8ish. Hmm.

Yay 5th most economically right! ALLAHU AKBAR, motherfuckers!
*backs away slowly*

yeah the PDF is way better actually... not sure why i didn't think of it before (its way easier for me, too)

this will be the last update i do for a while, now with over 200 posters charted:
graph 1.4 (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/political compass1-4.pdf)


next month sometime (maybe 2 months) i'll make a new thread if thats ok with smunkee and do that morphing thingy (not sure how it'll work but can but try :))
fine by me.

I was wondering if we could get this graph into the sticky where the original is, since it's more recent and all........scared to ask the mods though LOL

fine by me.

I was wondering if we could get this graph into the sticky where the original is, since it's more recent and all........scared to ask the mods though LOL
there's a sticky? :confused: