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A long while ago (before my time) there was a political compass graph for people of NS General, someone made one recently (within the last 8 months) but it didn't have many people on it, and really didn't get off the ground.

I thought it would be neat to do another, and since I have zero technical knowledge I got help from Pure Metal.

Take the test here. (http://www.politicalcompass.org)

Fill in your results here. (http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/politicalcompass.htm)

Current version
here. (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/political%20compass1-4.pdf)


You can post your results in the thred if you want, but unless you fill in the form at the link above I really can't guarantee you will make the graph, Pure Metal has been so nice as to make this workable for a girl like me, and really I am too lazy to wade through posts.

Mods- I will come back and bump this a few times, I will try not to make excessive bumps but I want everyone to get a chance to be on the graph, thanks.

I am unable to access the sites from the links.:(

A long while ago (before my time) there was a political compass graph for people of NS General, someone made one recently (within the last 8 months) but it didn't have many people on it, and really didn't get off the ground.

I thought it would be neat to do another, and since I have zero technical knowledge I got help from Pure Metal.

Take the test here. (http://www.politicalcompass.org)

Fill in your results here. (http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/politicalcompass.htm)

You can post your results in the thred if you want, but unless you fill in the form at the link above I really can't guarantee you will make the graph, Pure Metal has been so nice as to make this workable for a girl like me, and really I am too lazy to wade through posts.

Mods- I will come back and bump this a few times, I will try not to make excessive bumps but I want everyone to get a chance to be on the graph, thanks.

Umm isn't this the one that is in my sig?

@Tech-gnosis: try copying them and pasting them into your browser, that usually works. :)


I just retook the test a couple weeks ago - how convenient!

I'm
Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.87

I entered that on PM's site. :)

Umm isn't this the one that is in my sig?
*nods*

*nods*
Thanks! :fluffle:
Here is mine then:
Economic Left/Right: 2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18
How have you been WYTYG?

Economic Left/Right: 8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

Thanks! :fluffle:
Here is mine then:
Economic Left/Right: 2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18
How have you been WYTYG?
You should click the second link Smunkee gave and enter the numbers there, then you'll be on the graph she's making of all NSers. :)
And I've been fine - even though I never seem to be on at the same time as most of the rest of you spammers anymore. :(
Case in point: going to bed now. But not before throwing a fluffle your way :fluffle:. G'night!

Thanks! :fluffle:
Here is mine then:
Economic Left/Right: 2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18
How have you been WYTYG?
did you put it in the form on the link for your results?

Economic Left/Right -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -2.1

did you put it in the form on the link for your results?
I did. When and where can we see the graph?
:fluffle: for Smunkee and WYTYG!
Goodnight WYTYG!

It's kind of lonely in my corner.

I did. When and where can we see the graph?
:fluffle: for Smunkee and WYTYG!
Goodnight WYTYG!
probably a preliminary one tomorrow or the next day, want to get lots of people so it looks impressive LOL

It's kind of lonely in my corner.
I'm in the same quarter as you. :) Cheer up You aren't alone.:cool:

I'm in the same quarter as you. :) Cheer up You aren't alone.:cool:
Then hello, neighbour.

probably a preliminary one tomorrow or the next day, want to get lots of people so it looks impressive LOL
Thats cool! Can't wait to see.

I did take this already. See my signiture....

Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

EDIT: Actually, I have. -.75 on Economic, and -.82 on Social.

I did take this already. See my signiture....
yeah, I see that, however if you want to be on the way cool graph, you gotta enter your results into the form linked in the OP

yeah, I see that, however if you want to be on the way cool graph, you gotta enter your results into the form linked in the OP
Been there, done that.....Got no T-Shirt.... :(

Economic Left/Right: -0.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

Economic: 7.25
Social: 1.44

I notice that I keep on getting more and more free-market. Maybe I read too much stuff by Austrian economists and such.

Added myself.

Economic: 4.75
Social: -7.18

Been there, done that.....Got no T-Shirt.... :(
*hands Shaz a way cool T-shirt that reads "I put my numbers in the groovey little form and all I got was this crappy t-shirt"*

Economic: 7.25
Social: 1.44

I notice that I keep on getting more and more free-market. Maybe I read too much stuff by Austrian economists and such.
that's okay, I keep getting further left and more twards the libertarian end.... it's weird.

*hands Shaz a way cool T-shirt that reads "I put my numbers in the groovey little form and all I got was this crappy t-shirt"*

YAY.


*puts on the t-shirt*

Latest standings...

Economic: +7.25
Social: -10.00


Now now, this doesn't mean I don't support Anarcho-Communism. In fact, I love the idea of it (always have since I read about it).

Economic Left/Right: 1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

About the same it's always been, with a slight move toward being more libertarian.

Economic: 7.41
Social: -2.97

I've made some pretty big moves towards social liberty while my economic score has edged a little more leftward; my changing stance on the environment has probably pushed it more to the left and counteracted some of my moves to the right on corporations.

Economic: 7.41
Social: -2.97

I've made some pretty big moves towards social liberty while my economic score has edged a little more leftward; my changing stance on the environment has probably pushed it more to the left and counteracted some of my moves to the right on corporations.

Was it Exxon-Mobil? :p

Was it Exxon-Mobil? :p

That's a big part of it.:p

At the same time that I've defended their profits, I've also gotten a lot stronger in my support for stricter environmental regulations or things like carbon taxes and alternative energy credits.

It's weird, actually; I defend their profits but oppose their methods for doing so. It's evolving in to a hybrid of free-market capitalism and government-supported environmentalism.

Economic: -4
Social: -4

Hmmm...It appears I have grown more libertarian left since last I took the test. I used to be -2,-2. Isn't it odd that I have had Economic/Social scores like this, where they are both the same, though.

Added myself. My scores are in my signature; the last time I took the test was only about a week ago, with minimal variation from the time before that one, so it would be pointless to take it yet again.

When the Revolution comes, we'll know who to put up against the wall, thanks to this handy graph.
We'll even know which wall to put them up against! :p

Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

economic 0.75
social 1.23

more in the middle of things

A true liberal-centrist

Economic 0.25
Social -6

:cool:

Added myself.

Economic +10.00
Social -1.85

Is it possible for someone to have such an extreme economic score? Yes, it is- that's how I got it.

Answering "strongly disagree" to all questions produces this result:
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

Answering "disagree" to all questions produces:
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

Answering "agree" to all questions produces:
Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.41

Answering "strongly agree" to all questions produces:
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.36

Economic Left/Right: 8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36
Libertarian scum. :gundge:

Libertarian scum. :gundge:



Actually that score means he is a communist. Double negative scores are Libertarian.

Actually that score means he is a communist. Double negative scores are Libertarian.
Double negative is communist, sonny Jim.

Double negative is communist, sonny Jim.

*gasp* I'm a Communist?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

*gasp* I'm a Communist?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...
The only cure is to gouge out your eyes with a golf ball and a spork.

Teh sig. It's probably a bit off now, though.

ooh, 700 posts

Double negative is communist, sonny Jim.


Double negative is Libertarian Left.


However, @ Sel Appa: I do admit now that I misread his score,I thought he said he was Negative Economic and Positive Social, he is actually Libertarian Right.

Good thing I noticed that before submitting a long explaination to Neo Kervoskia :p

Actually that score means he is a communist. Double negative scores are Libertarian.

Wrong. Double negatives are tending toward communism.

My scores:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

and I am a libertarian.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51

damn, one square away from achieving true balance... :(

Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51

damn, one square away from achieving true balance... :(
Now you will never die happy.

Now you will never die happy.
NOOOOOoooooooooo :eek:

I WILL ACHIEVE TOTAL BALANCE! POLITICAL PURITY WILL BE MINE!!! :mad:

It seems I'm listed rather close to Gandhi and Nelson Mandela.

Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77

Economic Left/Right: 8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36
Seems fitting that I've moved for economically right since I started talking to you.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44

Wrong. Double negatives are tending toward communism.

My scores:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

and I am a libertarian.
Are you? Isn't positive-economics negative-social, an anarchist? I would have imagined the libertarian centre to be closer to my score of 0.25/-6. Now I am confused, where is Anarchist?! Are libertarians neccesarily economically right?! How can I open those stupid packets of import lollies without scissors?!

A long while ago (before my time) there was a political compass graph for people of NS General, someone made one recently (within the last 8 months) but it didn't have many people on it, and really didn't get off the ground.

I thought it would be neat to do another, and since I have zero technical knowledge I got help from Pure Metal.

Take the test here. (http://www.politicalcompass.org)

Fill in your results here. (http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/politicalcompass.htm)

You can post your results in the thred if you want, but unless you fill in the form at the link above I really can't guarantee you will make the graph, Pure Metal has been so nice as to make this workable for a girl like me, and really I am too lazy to wade through posts.

Mods- I will come back and bump this a few times, I will try not to make excessive bumps but I want everyone to get a chance to be on the graph, thanks.

Do I have to take another silly test? Im tired and Ive been drinking and it might all end up pear shaped if I try.

Do I have to take another silly test? Im tired and Ive been drinking and it might all end up pear shaped if I try.
comon, it's SMUNKEE's test...

it's wafer thin... comeon... just one more... wafer thin...

Do I have to take another silly test? Im tired and Ive been drinking and it might all end up pear shaped if I try.
It depends. Take the test, and if you score highly in the 'social libertarian/authoritarian' sector, then yes, you have to take the test. If not, then no, it is up to you.

i took the test some time ago. take a look at my sig if you want to see the scores.

comon, it's SMUNKEE's test...

it's wafer thin... comeon... just one more... wafer thin...
See The Meaning of Life lately?

See The Meaning of Life lately?

I think he wants to make her explode :D

Actually. If you look at it (my image below) the Athoritarian is the top half and the Libertarian is the lower half. Athoritarian is Communist and Libertarian is Socialist. So he would be a Socialist (Just like me).

http://usera.imagecave.com/CaptainDeath/PolyComp.gif

I think he wants to make her explode :D
Not bad is a guy....

Not bad is a guy....

Oops...I thought Not Bad was a girl...

Oops...I thought Not Bad was a girl...
Well, I'm sure some girls do have penises, but not Not bad....Well, he does have a penis, but that's because he's a guy, not an unusually hairy girl with a huge penis.

-3.88 econ
-5.59 soc

See The Meaning of Life lately?
Lately?

I LIVE FOR MONTY PYTHON!

*points to the CPU*
Ah-HA! the machine that goes 'Ping' that's my favorite! :D

Well, I'm sure some girls do have penises, but not Not bad....Well, he does have a penis, but that's because he's a guy, not an unusually hairy girl with a huge penis.I shall take your word on the state of Not Bad's body follical situation... and I will definitly NOT challange you on the girth of his member. :p

Wrong. Double negatives are tending toward communism.

My scores:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

and I am a libertarian.
Wrong. Double negatives = a positive!! :p

People with double negatives are more socialistically inclined, and less authoritarian.

Lately?

I LIVE FOR MONTY PYTHON!

*points to the CPU*
Ah-HA! the machine that goes 'Ping' that's my favorite! :D
But you've suddenly gone absolutely nuts with quoting that movie....

I shall take your word on the state of Not Bad's body follical situation... and I will definitly NOT challange you on the girth of his member. :p
Don't take my word for it. It's all unwarranted/unwanted assumptions.

But you've suddenly gone absolutely nuts with quoting that movie....
what... want something else? Holy Grail is overdone here also...

whoop, it 9:00... time for the penguin on my telly to explode... :D

what... want something else? Holy Grail is overdone here also...

whoop, it 9:00... time for the penguin on my telly to explode... :D
Nah, it just seems...odd.

9.75, -5.74

Submitted, and in sig. I'm crazy uber-capitalist libertarian ^.^

A long while ago (before my time) there was a political compass graph for people of NS General, someone made one recently (within the last 8 months) but it didn't have many people on it, and really didn't get off the ground.

I thought it would be neat to do another, and since I have zero technical knowledge I got help from Pure Metal.

Take the test here. (http://www.politicalcompass.org)

Fill in your results here. (http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/politicalcompass.htm)

You can post your results in the thred if you want, but unless you fill in the form at the link above I really can't guarantee you will make the graph, Pure Metal has been so nice as to make this workable for a girl like me, and really I am too lazy to wade through posts.

Mods- I will come back and bump this a few times, I will try not to make excessive bumps but I want everyone to get a chance to be on the graph, thanks.

That test has gotten better over time, but it's still too biased for my taste. Maybe I'll still do it, though, just for comparison purposes.

Actually. If you look at it (my image below) the Athoritarian is the top half and the Libertarian is the lower half. Athoritarian is Communist and Libertarian is Socialist. So he would be a Socialist (Just like me).

http://usera.imagecave.com/CaptainDeath/PolyComp.gif
communism and socialism are the same thing to me. they are both evil systems.

I'm
Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.87


Wow, I thought you were a lot more to the middle than that. Cool. ;)

I'm -9.38, -8.77.

Actually. If you look at it (my image below) the Athoritarian is the top half and the Libertarian is the lower half. Authoritarian is Communist and Libertarian is Socialist. So he would be a Socialist (Just like me).

Not really. To say that all forms of communism are authoritarian (or even Marxist) ignores a whole spectrum of collectivist libertarianism. Communism is an economic system, not a political one.


Are you? Isn't positive-economics negative-social, an anarchist? I would have imagined the libertarian centre to be closer to my score of 0.25/-6. Now I am confused, where is Anarchist?!

Libertarian communists/socialists, anarchists, anarcho-syndicalists, etc. are likely to fall into the same general area on the political compass graph since the quiz doesn't tackle questions such as the legitimacy of the state or even the market.

Are libertarians neccesarily economically right?!

Nah. It's possible to be a socialist and consider personal liberty as the most important value. I would call myself a libertarian (specifically, a civil libertarian), but most US posters would probably vehemently disagree, since like "liberal", the term has become quite different to how it is used in other nations. I were to describe myself as something approaching the general meaning of "libertarian" as generally used on this forum, I would call myself a classic liberal.

communism and socialism are the same thing to me. they are both evil systems.

They're very similar. Socialism is what we commonly refer to as communism, and communism is a utopian version of socialism.

Socialism is democratic.
no, it just pretends to be.

Wow, I thought you were a lot more to the middle than that. Cool. ;)

I'm -9.38, -8.77.
match made in heaven, no?

+2.00
-3.54

Its not a very good test, but its more balanced than some I've seen.

My personal score. Very moderate, as expected.

Economic Left/Right: 0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46

My national score (taking the test as HotRodia).

Economic Left/Right: 10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.46

match made in heaven, no?

You betcha. Anyone scoring under -8 in both categories gets into my harem.

no, it just pretends to be.

I suppose you've never heard of what's been going on in Europe, then.

I suppose you've never heard of what's been going on in Europe, then.
parts of it. and i'm sure it will not end wel.

parts of it. and i'm sure it will not end wel.

That doesn't mean that it's not happening.

That doesn't mean that it's not happening.
but its really mostly centrist except in sweden where the taxes are so high that everyone is being chased for tax evasion.

@ Sel Appa and Klitvilia:

it has been pointed out before but bears repeating: a double negative means tending towards socialism/communism, not libertarianism. I'm by no stretch of the imagination a communist in RL (more like an idealistic, green social democrat) even though I answered all the questions truthfully, but I sure as hell don't want anything to do with libertarianism! o.O

Added myself. My scores are in my signature; the last time I took the test was only about a week ago, with minimal variation from the time before that one, so it would be pointless to take it yet again.Holy cow - with -9.88 and -8.46 you are so far the only one further left than I am, unless I missed a post. Who'da thunk I'm such a leftie? ;) Oh, that's right, I would. :p

Wow, I thought you were a lot more to the middle than that. Cool. ;)

I'm -9.38, -8.77. Whaa? I had my previous, slightly more centrist, scores (-8.25, -8.67) in my sig for months.You didn't pay attention again, didya? *smacks* :p

match made in heaven, no?How are those egg races coming? :D

You betcha. Anyone scoring under -8 in both categories gets into my harem. :eek: *runs off to retake test and go for somewhere between "George W. Bush", "Jerry Falwell", and "Ayn Rand". :p

Scores added:

Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

so... when do we see the NSGPG!

:eek: *runs off to retake test and go for somewhere between "George W. Bush", "Jerry Falwell", and "Ayn Rand". :p

Nuts.

@Tech-gnosis: try copying them and pasting them into your browser, that usually works. :)


I just retook the test a couple weeks ago - how convenient!

I'm
Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.87

I entered that on PM's site. :)
Holy Crap, you out hippied me ya big hippie...

I seem to have shifted significantly right since last time I took the test:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

Nuts Aww, you know, it's just because I'm not good with sharing. :p
Holy Crap, you out hippied me ya big hippie... http://forum.pummeldex.de/images/emotions/jaa.gif

Aww, you know, it's just because I'm not good with sharing. :p

You evil capitalist, you. :p

Mine (also entered into the form):

Economic Left/Right: 2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.31

You evil capitalist, you. :p Well, you know, nothing against the huddled masses, but NIMHY - not in my harem, yo. :p

so... when do we see the NSGPG!
See what now?:confused:

Meh. I'm tired, bored, lazy.

How many questions are there?

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Meh. I'm tired, bored, lazy.

How many questions are there?
Not all that many, really, it takes maybe 10 minutes or so I'd guess, but it's a "serious" test, no OK Cupid thingy.

See what now?:confused:

The NationStates General Political Graph, presumably.

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The NationStates General Political Graph, presumably.
I see...

Not all that many, really, it takes maybe 10 minutes or so I'd guess, but it's a "serious" test, no OK Cupid thingy.
:eek:
OK Cupid is serious!

Not all that many, really, it takes maybe 10 minutes or so I'd guess, but it's a "serious" test, no OK Cupid thingy.
linky plz

Meh. I'm tired, bored, lazy.

How many questions are there?
Oh it is brilliant!:)

linky plz
NOWAI!

NOWAI!
lyke.. w/e

proberbly what I expected:

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

linky plz "Linky plz"? Ruffy, read the fucking OP! Sheesh.

"Linky plz"? Ruffy, read the fucking OP! Sheesh.
U r so lezy.

I did. When and where can we see the graph?

Been there, done that.....Got no T-Shirt.... :(
crazy impatient people.... sadly the graph isn't (quite) fully automated (i have to do stuff to it), but here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1.jpg) is the first iteration as of.... Today 9:52 AM - Not_utopia (post #111 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11463132&postcount=111))


graph v1.0 here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1.jpg)

please remember to put your scores into the form in smunkee's OP, people!

Form filled in, w00t.

crazy impatient people.... sadly the graph isn't (quite) fully automated (i have to do stuff to it), but here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1.jpg) is the first iteration as of.... Today 9:52 AM - Not_utopia (post #111 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11463132&postcount=111))


graph v1.0 here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1.jpg)

please remember to put your scores into the form in smunkee's OP, people!
Shouldn't that be V3.1 at least?

Filled in the form. Looked at the graph- *angry mutterings about commies*. Interesting changes since I last took it, more socially liberal and more economically right wing.

Shouldn't that be V3.1 at least?
technically, yes... this is "PM & smunkee's graph v1.0"

swimmingpool isn't with us any more though :(

I notice that the thick horizontal line is at 1 instead of 0...

"Linky plz"? Ruffy, read the fucking OP! Sheesh.
OP's are for n00bs, you aren't a n00b are you WYTYG?:(

Fergi America']I notice that the thick horizontal line is at 1 instead of 0...
bugger.

will be fixed next graph...


*walks away grumbling*

Fergi America']I notice that the thick horizontal line is at 1 instead of 0...

Yeah, that threw me off at first too. It should be at 0.

technically, yes... this is "PM & smunkee's graph v1.0"

swimmingpool isn't with us any more though :(
Ah i assumed Smunkee was swimmingpool
Just for a moment...

Silly swimmingpool:(

*chuckles*

Some of the name are overlapping too.. :eek:

*gets smacked by PM*

bugger.

will be fixed next graph...


*walks away grumbling*

By the way, I really appreciate you putting the effort into this, PM.

*chuckles*

Some of the name are overlapping too.. :eek:

*gets smacked by PM*
Ruffy-:) :sniper: -Harlesburg

Ah i assumed Smunkee was swimmingpool
Just for a moment...

Silly swimmingpool:(
I liked swimmingpool :(

OP's are for n00bs, you aren't a n00b are you WYTYG?:(
Me? A n00b? Nevar! :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: *feels dirty now*

Some of the name are overlapping too.. :eek: That can't really be avoided if people are really close together and/or there simply are lots of people entering their scores. So quit yer bitchin'. :p


I think it looks pretty cool, PM and Smunkee! :)

Ruffy-:( :sniper: -Harlesburg
Fixed.

That can't really be avoided if people are really close together and/or there simply are lots of people entering their scores. So quit yer bitchin'. :p
Well, he might be able to drag the names to above or below their dot. :)

*dies from all the smacking*

What is the thing we have to rwrite?
*Forgot the words*:D

Me? A n00b? Nevar! :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: *feels dirty now*

:(
*Lathers you in soap*

I liked swimmingpool :(
I might have...

"FD, You bastard!"

Honestly. "Omnipresent Spam King"? On the holy graph?

I might have...
rude.

Well, he might be able to drag the names to above or below their dot. :)

*dies from all the smacking*
*smacks some more*

sadly not possible... it won't let me move the names (and some people have stupidly long names, too... *glares at WYTYG ;) :p*)

I liked swimmingpool :(
me too :(

he came back for a bit as... the half hidden, i think. but seems to be gone for good now :(

By the way, I really appreciate you putting the effort into this, PM.
my pleasure :) it was smunkee's idea, i'm just doing the boring bits :p

Ah i assumed Smunkee was swimmingpool
Just for a moment...

Silly swimmingpool
it's all the S's...


I think it looks pretty cool, PM and Smunkee! :)
:)

Pure Metal do you mind if i post my results here?

*smacks some more*

sadly not possible... it won't let me move the names (and some people have stupidly long names, too... *glares at WYTYG ;) :p*)

Hey! Glare at FD too.

Although why she wouldn't just put WYTYG....

Oh yes, thanks for the graph, now I know who to avoid. *whoosh*

Ah Alliteration how i love you.
Assonance too.
:fluffle:

Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

Nearly 2 whole points more libertarian than last time.

Oh and just posting these here cuz I can. :eek:

well im tired, bored, going crazy as fuck, might as well try to sleep before the people who had hella crazy sex and created me wake up.

night.. maybe.

EDIT: i'll take the test thingy later

Oh yes, thanks for the graph, now I know who to avoid. *whoosh*
:(

:(

Not you silly. I was merely demonstrating my ninja skillz.

Hey! Glare at FD too.
Indeed! And at "The Evil Empire of Shazbotdom". And why doesn't anybody glare at Cannot think of a name? He doesn't even have a name and yet he takes up all that space. *grumbles* :p

Although why she wouldn't just put WYTYG.... Because she doesn't like it - it's perfectly fine for people to use, seeing that the alternative is pretty damn annoyingly long, but I don't call myself that.
That, and I didn't think about the silly graph's space problems when I typed it in. :p

It's y'alls own fault for picking long names. :p

Indeed! And at "The Evil Empire of Shazbotdom". And why doesn't anybody glare at Cannot think of a name? He doesn't even have a name and yet he takes up all that space. *grumbles* :p

Uhh...I didn't look over there? :p

Because she doesn't like it - it's perfectly fine for people to use, seeing that the alternative is pretty damn annoyingly long, but I don't call myself that.
That, and I didn't think about the silly graph's space problems when I typed it in. :p

:p Eh...I dunno, I say it like Wysiwyg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wysiwyg), but with a T, even though it doesn't say that... :D

Eh, whatever she wishes I suppose.

It's y'alls own fault for picking long names. :p

We didn't do it. (well, she did, but...) We're being annoyed at those who did. *nod*

well im tired, bored, going crazy as fuck, might as well try to sleep before the people who had hella crazy sex and created me wake up.

night.. maybe.

EDIT: i'll take the test thingy later
I'll do it for you.:)

Indeed! And at "The Evil Empire of Shazbotdom". And why doesn't anybody glare at Cannot think of a name? He doesn't even have a name and yet he takes up all that space. *grumbles* :p

Because she doesn't like it - it's perfectly fine for people to use, seeing that the alternative is pretty damn annoyingly long, but I don't call myself that.
That, and I didn't think about the silly graph's space problems when I typed it in. :p
I'll call you that if it makes you feel better.:)

*looks at early graph*

WTF? I was double positives...

Not you silly. I was merely demonstrating my ninja skillz.
It just sounds like Liberal talk...

*looks at early graph*

WTF? I was double positives...
I'd believe it!

It just sounds like Liberal talk...

Don't woryy, I'm apparently a communist.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11462435&postcount=42

It's y'alls own fault for picking long names. :p
What about mine?:(

Pure Metal do you mind if i post my results here?
do i really care?

post here if you want, but if you want to be on the graph you gotta enter your results into the form in smunkee's OP

Hey! Glare at FD too.

Although why she wouldn't just put WYTYG....
there's another one... "The Dark Empire of Shazbotdom"... they're the worst.



the current leaders:

most left:
Soheran -9.88
Whereyouthinkyougoing -9.50
Kanabia -9.38
Pure Metal -9.13

most right:Neo Kervoskia 8.63
Si Takena 9.75
Greill 10.00
theblitz 10.00

most libertarian:
Potarius -10.00
Whereyouthinkyougoing -8.87
Kanabia -8.77
Soheran -8.46

most authoritarian:
Holyawesomeness 1.44
IDF 2.51
Pepe Dominguez 3.90
Me AKA Myself 9.52

Don't woryy, I'm apparently a communist.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11462435&postcount=42
Ah oppress the masses!

Well I'll just slot right into the boring mass of other people.

Sigh.

*looks at early graph*

WTF? I was double positives...
the horisontal "zero" line (the thick one) is at +1 by mistake... sorry :(

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.05

I put my results in the form but I aint found no graph.

i'll do another graph later... going out for lunch with glitzi now :)

i'll do another graph later... going out for lunch with glitzi now :)
Ohh lucky for some! :D

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.05

I put my results in the form but I aint found no graph.
A link is hidden deep within the thread.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea.

I don't understand this to some extent...
:(

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea.

I don't understand this to some extent...
:(

I thought about it, and even if it can't happen practically I still think it's a good idea. Sorta. So just Agree for me.

I seem to have shifted significantly right since last time I took the test:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

This is very like the result of answering "Strongly disagree" to all questions.
Sure you didn't do that? A lot of the questions were craply worded, even when the idea was basically good.
Meh. I'm tired, bored, lazy.

How many questions are there?
You're Economic -1.2, social -6
Relax, Ruffy :)

Don't woryy, I'm apparently a communist.

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We get to wear bearskin hats, and don't have to drink fluoridated water. Vodka for us!

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea.

I don't understand this to some extent...
:(

It's a dumb question. "Fundamental" as in "where's my AK, I'm going to make it so," or as in "it would be nice if it were so, but in the real world...?"

Suspend disbelief. It's a survey.

i have submited my results :) Woo for anarchic commnism!

the current leaders:

What about most centrist!? (I think that's me)

Wow, me, centrist. Raise your hand if you guessed that. Seriously, be honest.

I've just seen v1.0 of the graph. It's a beautiful thing.

"Platform 7 is the outer Left limited. First stop Junii, then Dinaverg, change for Naliitr line. Thence Sarkhaan, Errinunderra, Cabra West and Glitziness. Buses are provided to other Outer Left destinations. Thankyou for using Railroaded Opinions, and good luck on your journey."

I'm in the same quarter as you. :) Cheer up You aren't alone.:cool:
I think that most people on this site are in the right-liberal corner.

Now now, this doesn't mean I don't support Anarcho-Communism. In fact, I love the idea of it (always have since I read about it).
But... your economic preferences seem to favour the entrenched class system.

Are you? Isn't positive-economics negative-social, an anarchist? I would have imagined the libertarian centre to be closer to my score of 0.25/-6. Now I am confused, where is Anarchist?!
Anarchism is an extreme negative score in both economics and social.

no, it just pretends to be.
It's based on the idea that all people are equal, so how can it be anything other than democratic?

I suppose you've never heard of what's been going on in Europe, then.
What's going on in my land? (also Swilatia's continent of residence)

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.49
:eek:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.49
:eek:

That's the most horrible score I've ever seen :p

a rather dull economic left/right: -5.63, social libertarian/authoritarian: -4.82

graph v1.0 here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1.jpg)

please remember to put your scores into the form in smunkee's OP, people!

Stop that please. you are making it ever so difficult for me to enjoy my hangover that way.

Economic Left/Right: 3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26

I thought about it, and even if it can't happen practically I still think it's a good idea. Sorta. So just Agree for me.
It's an excellent IDEA. It just hasn't, can't and won't work.

why did fd call himself "omniperesent spam king. change it to fascist dominion, because he is NOT the spam king. he doesent even spam.

I've just seen v1.0 of the graph. It's a beautiful thing.

"Platform 7 is the outer Left limited. First stop Junii, then Dinaverg, change for Naliitr line. Thence Sarkhaan, Errinunderra, Cabra West and Glitziness. Buses are provided to other Outer Left destinations. Thankyou for using Railroaded Opinions, and good luck on your journey."
LMAO! :D

Hazzah, 4th most economically liberal (using the European definition). Why the fuck is Potaria in my corner? Are the Reds invading?

Ohh lucky for some! :D
yeah, it was sweet :) had a chinese buffet at a nice local restaurant... been full since and relaxing, but plenty of energy for... stuff ;) :D



graph v1.1 (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1-1.jpg)
(as of 16.53pm GMT)

yeah, it was sweet :) had a chinese buffet at a nice local restaurant... been full since and relaxing, but plenty of energy for... stuff ;) :D



graph v1.1 (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1-1.jpg)
(as of 16.53pm GMT)

Wehay! I would say that i am probably the most politically centered person in that whole graph.

Edit: whoops, that graph didn't load properly when I said that, so take back that last comment.

Hazzah, 4th most economically liberal (using the European definition). Why the fuck is Potaria in my corner? Are the Reds invading?
i'm guessing he typed a plus when he meant a minus... but i'm not going to correct it unless he says so :-S

yeah, it was sweet :) had a chinese buffet at a nice local restaurant... been full since and relaxing, but plenty of energy for... stuff ;) :D



graph v1.1 (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1-1.jpg)
(as of 16.53pm GMT)
I don't recognize some of those people. :(

:eek: *runs off to retake test and go for somewhere between "George W. Bush", "Jerry Falwell", and "Ayn Rand". :p
That'd get you into my harem.;) I take any extreme.:p

U r so lezy.
ROFL!! Ruffy, you fail at life.

graph v1.1 (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/PCscoresv1-1.jpg)
(as of 16.53pm GMT)

HeadOn Apply directly to the forehead
HeadOn Apply directly to the forehead
HeadOn Apply directly to the forehead

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

"FD, You bastard!"

Honestly. "Omnipresent Spam King"? On the holy graph?
LOL I blame Not bad.:p

It looks awfully lonely in the Northern half of the graph.

Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.21

why did fd call himself "omniperesent spam king. change it to fascist dominion, because he is NOT the spam king. he doesent even spam.
Talk to Not bad (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11442025&postcount=529) about it.

It looks awfully lonely in the Northern half of the graph.

Just wait for the Busheviks to come on. The top right will pad out nicely...

Talk to Not bad (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11442025&postcount=529) about it.

I only report the news I dont make it.

HeadOn Apply directly to the forehead
HeadOn Apply directly to the forehead
HeadOn Apply directly to the forehead
huh? :confused:

I only report the news I dont make it.
I thought you'd say something to that effect.;)

It looks awfully lonely in the Northern half of the graph.

I feel especially sorry for "me AKA myself" it's as if he is radio active or something.

huh? :confused:
The most eeeeeevvvvilllll commercial ever. It's probably illegal in Britain, so don't worry about it.

It's a product called "Head On", which you rub on the forehead. It looks like a glue stick. I have no idea what it's supposed to accomplish, and the commercials keep me from wanting to find out.

I feel especially sorry for "me AKA myself" it's as if he is radio active or something.
Radioactive and carrying Radioactive Super Smallpox.

Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.62

The most eeeeeevvvvilllll commercial ever. It's probably illegal in Britain, so don't worry about it.

It's a product called "Head On", which you rub on the forehead. It looks like a glue stick. I have no idea what it's supposed to accomplish, and the commercials keep me from wanting to find out.
oookay... and he said that in reference to the graph because...?

I feel especially sorry for "me AKA myself" it's as if he is radio active or something.
Opitcal cancer. It's always the reason.

I feel especially sorry for "me AKA myself" it's as if he is radio active or something.
Maybe he's someone's antithesis.:eek:

Radioactive and carrying Radioactive Super Smallpox.

Some how Junii can survive (he must be vaccined) but he is in the very corner of the box. The rest of the box is completely empty!

oookay... and he said that in reference to the graph because...?
No clue.

Economic Indicator: +3.50
Social Indicator: +1.18

No clue.
Get the magnifying glass.

Maybe he's someone's antithesis.:eek:
Wouldn't you like to know whose?

But... your economic preferences seem to favour the entrenched class system.

I don't "favor" one thing or another. I'm for letting people do whatever they wish, so long as they don't bring me down in the process. And how, exactly, would a Commune (like Paris in the 1800's) adversely affect me? Conversly, how would a Capitalist mecca like New York City adversely affect a Commune? Unless one is trying to take over the other, I see no problem with either co-existing...

And what's this rubbish about an "entrenched" class system? People are not born equal to each other. Some are naturally good at some tasks, and others are naturally good at other tasks. Some aren't good at much at all, and some others are mentally vacant (no, I'm not talking about the disabled). Class is less a product of Capitalism than it is a product of genetics.

Would some of my blue collar relatives make good financiers? Fuck no, and they shouldn't. Would some of my very wealthy relatives make good laborers? No way; they're too scrawny and brittle. Then, why should they be forced to be perfectly equal to each other in all respects? Just because one makes less money than the other doesn't mean their life isn't as good.

And yes, I'm quite poor, though am I constantly bitching about it? No. I make the best of what I've got, because I know that I can accomplish anything I set my mind to. I know that I can get a loan and go to a good university, get a good job, and have a nice family and a house (or an apartment) wherever I want. And am I putting other people down by doing so? No.

The Political Comapss rated me here:

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

-Just a little diagonally past the middle of the third quandrant- exactly where I wanted to be!

I am almost exactly at the same spot as the Dali Lama; the next nearest is Ghandi!

Just like I've always said, I am a liberal democratic socialist! Yet another political test just restated it.

Yay! Potaria's not a damn commie anymore.

Wouldn't you like to know whose?
Didn't we already establish that in another thread? And if that were true, wouldn't you just be the exact opposite of the other one?

NOTE: Someone earlier commented that the third quadrant is communism, but that's not really acurate. You's have to have an economic score of -9 or -10 (maybe even -8) to be a communist. Much of the third quandrant is socialism, which, despite the fact that many Americans think is roughly the same, is actually incredibly different. Communism is a system in which everyone works/lives in the same conditions and has no money. Socialism is merely a system of philanthropic societal guidelines that involve doing something for the benefit of a group of people as opposed to just yourself. Public education is an example of socialism. You don't have to pay for it. It was designed (by a socialist (actually my great great aunt Sally, to be more specific) to provide public education for the masses rather than just the wealthy (as it had previously been). Mass transportation and labor unions are two other examples. Minumum wage is as well. As you can see, socialism is actually quite widespread across society. If you really get down to thinking about it, despite their ignorance on the subject, most people are socialists.

Public education is an example of socialism. You don't have to pay for it.
Yes, you do have to pay for it.
Mass transportation and labor unions are two other examples. Minumum wage is as well. As you can see, socialism is actually quite widespread across society. If you really get down to thinking about it, despite their ignorance on the subject, most people are socialists.
I'd hardly call that socialism, perhaps state capitalism or welfare capitalism, but not socialism.

NOTE: Someone earlier commented that the third quadrant is communism, but that's not really acurate. You's have to have an economic score of -9 or -10 (maybe even -8) to be a communist. Much of the third quandrant is socialism, which, despite the fact that many Americans think is roughly the same, is actually incredibly different. Communism is a system in which everyone works/lives in the same conditions and has no money. Socialism is merely a system of philanthropic societal guidelines that involve doing something for the benefit of a group of people as opposed to just yourself. Public education is an example of socialism. You don't have to pay for it. It was designed (by a socialist (actually my great great aunt Sally, to be more specific) to provide public education for the masses rather than just the wealthy (as it had previously been). Mass transportation and labor unions are two other examples. Minumum wage is as well. As you can see, socialism is actually quite widespread across society. If you really get down to thinking about it, despite their ignorance on the subject, most people are socialists.
Great Aunt Sally?

All I know is that public education has been mandated in the US from it's earliest days. The Northwest ordinance, which detailed how several of the midwestern states were to be divided up set aside a certain amoung of land for a public school in each township.

I'd hardly call that socialism, perhaps state capitalism or welfare capitalism, but not socialism.
I tend to view labor unions for what they are, a special form of corporation.

Great Aunt Sally?

All I know is that public education has been mandated in the US from it's earliest days. The Northwest ordinance, which detailed how several of the midwestern states were to be divided up set aside a certain amoung of land for a public school in each township.
Those socialist bastards! :mad:

Filled in my score. Same as in sig.

Talk to Not bad (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11442025&postcount=529) about it.
oh, i though you yourself did it.

oh, i though you yourself did it.
Nope.

Why the fuck is Potaria in my corner? Are the Reds invading?
Ahahahahaaaaa. :p *wiping tears of laughter out of eyes*

Hilarious. :p I totally wondered about that too. Wasn't he the one who used to be -10/-10?!

PM is probably right and he accidentally typed + instead of -. Or that was one hell of a political conversion. :p

Ahahahahaaaaa. :p *wiping tears of laughter out of eyes*

Hilarious. :p I totally wondered about that too. Wasn't he the one who used to be -10/-10?!

PM is probably right and he accidentally typed + instead of -. Or that was one hell of a political conversion. :p
I've found myself on the same side of the argument as Potaria recently, I think he might have experienced a moment of conversion.

I know I had some heated as fuck arguments with him in years past.

Ahahahahaaaaa. :p *wiping tears of laughter out of eyes*

Hilarious. :p I totally wondered about that too. Wasn't he the one who used to be -10/-10?!

PM is probably right and he accidentally typed + instead of -. Or that was one hell of a political conversion. :p

Nope, no accident. Read what I said, though. It's not an either-or thing... I support both, if any of you can grasp that. Why else haven't I moved from our beloved region? :p

I've found myself on the same side of the argument as Potaria recently, I think he might have experienced a moment of conversion.

I know I had some heated as fuck arguments with him in years past.

Yeah, our blood pressure must've gone up dozens of points a few times.

Yeah, our blood pressure must've gone up dozens of points a few times.
That's what politics is for after all. :D

That's what politics is for after all. :D

Got that right. :p

Nope, no accident. Read what I said, though. It's not an either-or thing... I support both, if any of you can grasp that. Why else haven't I moved from our beloved region? :p
Well, I understand and am glad to have you in my corner. I remember when we were both far left.

Nope, no accident. Read what I said, though. It's not an either-or thing... I support both, if any of you can grasp that. Why else haven't I moved from our beloved region? :p
I do.

Nope, no accident. Read what I said, though. It's not an either-or thing... I support both, if any of you can grasp that. Why else haven't I moved from our beloved region? :p
Ah, but my brain works on what feels like about 15% capacity at the moment - I couldn't even entertain the notion of reading anything now that requires more thought than posting a post full of laughter and ":p"s.

But I honestly don't mind or care if you changed your political mind (as long as you stay in our beloved region ;)), I was just flummoxed (heee, love that word *giggles*) by the immensity of the jump almost from one side of the spectrum to the other one, esp. since you had been probably the only one with a -10/-10 score before. 'Tis all good. *pats*

And if you turn into an evil capitalist, we'll just have you summarily ejected to some crummy second-rate region. :p

Hell, I went from being quite the social conservative to what I am now, so change is common, it's very common.

Yes, you do have to pay for it.

I'd hardly call that socialism, perhaps state capitalism or welfare capitalism, but not socialism.

Actually, if it really is public education, no you don't. At least not in America. Occassionally, there are parcel taxes, but that's a seperate issue that was created long after. Education is free if you go to a public school (Note: If you are British, you may be misinterpretting this comment. You would call it a state school.).

Secondly, mass transportation systems (such as subways, busses, etc.) are socialism. You do have to pay for them, but they don't cut a profit. They still require government (city/county/state) funding. It is not a business. Additionally, fares are usually subsidized for those who require the system but cannot afford it. Labor unions (such as Teachers' Union, Nurses' Union, etc.) are very certainly socialism. That was another thing my great great aunt helped to create after the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (in NYC) which killed almost every employee inside do to unsafe working conditions.

You seem to be making a distinction between socialism and capitalism. There is no distinction. You're comparing apples and oranges. Socialism is a type of capitalism. However, it involves companies cutting profits by helping working conditions (Are you locked in a firetrap of a sweatshop in an office building? (That is actually what happened in the aforementioned fire.)), the surrounding area, and the people they serve (like charging low rates so the average family can afford it (That's also called populism.)). To cut a long story short, socialism goes hand-in-hand with capitalism. Communism, on the other hand, doesn't. As I said in the last post, many people confuse socialism with communism, despite the fact that they have nothing to do with one another.

Great Aunt Sally?

All I know is that public education has been mandated in the US from it's earliest days. The Northwest ordinance, which detailed how several of the midwestern states were to be divided up set aside a certain amoung of land for a public school in each township.


Well, it definitely wasn't national (and are you sure the students of those schools you mentioned didn't have to pay for it?). What my great great Aunt Sally helped create was the "little red schoolhouse" system. You've probobly heard of it. If not, you've probobly noticed that drawings of old schoolhouses usually tend to be red. That's what I was talking about.

Actually, if it really is public education, no you don't. At least not in America. Occassionally, there are parcel taxes, but that's a seperate issue that was created long after. Education is free if you go to a public school (Note: If you are British, you may be misinterpretting this comment. You would call it a state school.).
You don't have to pay per child if that's what you mean. But in the US, public schools are funded through a hodgepodge of taxation systems, including the local property tax. The schools are NOT free, you just don't pay for them explicitly.

Secondly, mass transportation systems (such as subways, busses, etc.) are socialism. You do have to pay for them, but they don't cut a profit. They still require government (city/county/state) funding. It is not a business. Additionally, fares are usually subsidized for those who require the system but cannot afford it. Labor unions (such as Teachers' Union, Nurses' Union, etc.) are very certainly socialism. That was another thing my great great aunt helped to create after the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (in NYC) which killed almost every employee inside do to unsafe working conditions.

You seem to be making a distinction between socialism and capitalism. There is no distinction. You're comparing apples and oranges. Socialism is a type of capitalism. However, it involves companies cutting profits by helping working conditions (Are you locked in a firetrap of a sweatshop in an office building? (That is actually what happened in the aforementioned fire.)), the surrounding area, and the people they serve (like charging low rates so the average family can afford it (That's also called populism.)). To cut a long story short, socialism goes hand-in-hand with capitalism. Communism, on the other hand, doesn't. As I said in the last post, many people confuse socialism with communism, despite the fact that they have nothing to do with one another.

Socialism is not a system in which companies are the determining factor. Instead under a socialist system the government runs the economy. Which is radically different from capitalism. Amounts of socialism can exist within a capitalist system, but it is not capitalist.

Well, it definitely wasn't national (and are you sure the students of those schools you mentioned didn't have to pay for it?). What my great great Aunt Sally helped create was the "little red schoolhouse" system. You've probobly heard of it. If not, you've probobly noticed that drawings of old schoolhouses usually tend to be red. That's what I was talking about.
Well, they had to pay for it through property taxes, as the Northwest Ordinance and Land Ordinance of 1785 both mandated, but it's the same basic concept that we continue to use in the United States. Public education has been guaranteed since the late 1700's. Of course most education in the US was still private up until the 1840's. But following that compulsory public education has been available to all but those living in the most remote parts of the country.

Socialism is not a system in which companies are the determining factor. Instead under a socialist system the government runs the economy. Which is radically different from capitalism. Amounts of socialism can exist within a capitalist system, but it is not capitalist.

Actually, no. The was the Soviet form of "socialism." Of oucrse, the Soviets weren't really socialist nor communist; they were just an authoritarian dictatorship. They only claimed to be socialist to get the people to follow them (which, sadly, succeded) and to try to claim initial moral highground (which, thankfully, failed). Socialism is a system in which you do things for the masses as opposed to just yourself (in a philanthropic way). I don't think there's a better example (aside, perhaps, Kim Jong Il) of selfishness than that practised by the "communists." The only successful instance of communism was the Kibbutzim (small farming comunes) in Israel. As for socialism, many Scandinavian countries (such as Finland) claim that that they are modern socialist countries, and, frankly, I'm going to have agree that they basically are.

Socialism is, as I said, a system of philanthropic societal guidelines that was never intended as a system of government. It's a lot like populism in that way (which is actually socialistic). Neitehr could ever be a successful form of government, and neither was ever intended as a form of government. They're just names for philanthropic policies. Therefore, in socialism, the government does not control the economy, because socialism is not a system of government. Finland seems to have it down as social policies and social services. That's pretty much it.

Well, they had to pay for it through property taxes, as the Northwest Ordinance and Land Ordinance of 1785 both mandated, but it's the same basic concept that we continue to use in the United States. Public education has been guaranteed since the late 1700's. Of course most education in the US was still private up until the 1840's. But following that compulsory public education has been available to all but those living in the most remote parts of the country.

I'm afraid you are mistaken. Alow me to cite Abraham Lincoln.

Actually, no. The was the Soviet form of "socialism." Of oucrse, the Soviets weren't really socialist nor communist; they were just an authoritarian dictatorship. They only claimed to be socialist to get the people to follow them (which, sadly, succeded) and to try to claim initial moral highground (which, thankfully, failed). Socialism is a system in which you do things for the masses as opposed to just yourself (in a philanthropic way). I don't think there's a better example (aside, perhaps, Kim Jong Il) of selfishness than that practised by the "communists." The only successful instance of communism was the Kibbutzim (small farming comunes) in Israel. As for socialism, many Scandinavian countries (such as Finland) claim that that they are modern socialist countries, and, frankly, I'm going to have agree that they basically are.

Socialism is, as I said, a system of philanthropic societal guidelines that was never intended as a system of government. It's a lot like populism in that way (which is actually socialistic). Neitehr could ever be a successful form of government, and neither was ever intended as a form of government. They're just names for philanthropic policies. Therefore, in socialism, the government does not control the economy, because socialism is not a system of government. Finland seems to have it down as social policies and social services. That's pretty much it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
This is the generally accepted conception of socialism, espescially amongst social scientists.

I'm afraid you are mistaken. Alow me to cite Abraham Lincoln.
President Lincoln's situation had more to do with his parents instructions regarding education than with the education system that existed at the time.

huh? :confused:

Trust me you dont want to know. It is a headache medication advertisement.

The more I look at that graph (now that my hangover is gone) the more loony toons I see that there are on NS!

Ahahahahaaaaa. :p *wiping tears of laughter out of eyes*

Hilarious. :p I totally wondered about that too. Wasn't he the one who used to be -10/-10?!

PM is probably right and he accidentally typed + instead of -. Or that was one hell of a political conversion. :p
well i've gone through something of a political conversion recently myself... i'm a bit scared to take the test again :p (my score on there is a couple of months old)
i kinda agree with potaria now (from what i read of his explaination) in that i could support capitalism and communism... and i kinda do. what i mean is either is 'just' (any outcome is just - communism or capitalism) as long as the starting point is fair. of course there are other considerations to that (government needs to steer environmental and social policy, welfare and positive rights to health, education, shelter and the basics of life are still a must... so i'm still good and leftie!), but basically what i'm saying is my support for communism, exclusively, has waned in favour of policies and a governmental structure that will enable true meritocracy. as potaria said, people are not born equal, both in socioeconomic senses and talents and gifts etc. one can't legislate against the latter (as that would indeed be punishing the talented for something they had no control over recieving, which is just as bad as people having no choice in being born disadvantaged), but government can do things to ensure the former is equalled. therefore, equality of opportunity is what i support and prioritise these days, rather than only equality of outcome (as per communism).

anyway, i'll stop ranting now...

(edit: unfortunately that isn't something the political compass would take into account so.... i don't know where that leaves me :p)

Nope, no accident. Read what I said, though. It's not an either-or thing... I support both, if any of you can grasp that. Why else haven't I moved from our beloved region? :p
cos our region rocks, that's why :D

President Lincoln's situation had more to do with his parents instructions regarding education than with the education system that existed at the time.

Then why was he such an adament campaigner for education?

Ecomonic: +5.38
Social: -4.33

I've seen the effort PM/Huw put into making the graph and the form and everything, so special fluffles to him :) :fluffle: :fluffle:

for anyone who cares about my results, its a) on the graph b) in my sig *nods*

:eek: I could have sworn i'd moved towards the centre on economic stuff. Apparently not. Heading slowly further towards being a dirty commie:D *sings "Red Flag"*

Then why was he such an adament campaigner for education?
Because he realized how important the education he was able to give himself was. He knew that it should be even more available, and that making it compusory, in the truest sense of the word, was necessary.

well i've gone through something of a political conversion recently myself... i'm a bit scared to take the test again :p (my score on there is a couple of months old)
i kinda agree with potaria now (from what i read of his explaination) in that i could support capitalism and communism... and i kinda do. what i mean is either is 'just' (any outcome is just - communism or capitalism) as long as the starting point is fair. of course there are other considerations to that (government needs to steer environmental and social policy, welfare and positive rights to health, education, shelter and the basics of life are still a must... so i'm still good and leftie!), but basically what i'm saying is my support for communism, exclusively, has waned in favour of policies and a governmental structure that will enable true meritocracy. as potaria said, people are not born equal, both in socioeconomic senses and talents and gifts etc. one can't legislate against the latter (as that would indeed be punishing the talented for something they had no control over recieving, which is just as bad as people having no choice in being born disadvantaged), but government can do things to ensure the former is equalled. therefore, equality of opportunity is what i support and prioritise these days, rather than only equality of outcome (as per communism).

anyway, i'll stop ranting now...

(edit: unfortunately that isn't something the political compass would take into account so.... i don't know where that leaves me :p)


cos our region rocks, that's why :D

You have only just begun your journey to the dark side! *cackles*

*cackles*

Just a few more steps and I'll teach you how to do the finger-lightning thing!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
This is the generally accepted conception of socialism, espescially amongst social scientists.


Are you trying to say that you beleive Wikipedia?

I'm sorry to say this, but comming from a technologically oriented family, there's no way I could possibly grant any accuracy to Wikipedia.

Mind you, I've tried to fix that; I've corrected a number of articles (I don't see how anyone ever thought that "encantada" meant "fairy."), and I even wrote an article myself. I speant several hours translating a Polish equivalent for the correct statistics (which the Poles apparently had), but the whole article was rewritten in favor of statistics that were decades outdated. I tried to revert the article to its former state on many occassions, but the other person seemed quite confident that- contrary to the claims of the US Census Bureau- combined statistical areas do not exist (They do. I should know. I live in one.). The point of me telling you this is that the data on Wikipedia is written by random people who frequently don't know what they're talking about.

It really can't be trusted.

i kinda agree with potaria now (from what i read of his explaination) in that i could support capitalism and communism... and i kinda do. what i mean is either is 'just' (any outcome is just - communism or capitalism) as long as the starting point is fair. of course there are other considerations to that (government needs to steer environmental and social policy, welfare and positive rights to health, education, shelter and the basics of life are still a must... so i'm still good and leftie!)

...

therefore, equality of opportunity is what i support and prioritise these days, rather than only equality of outcome (as per communism).

I am a minarchist, yet I support government action in the areas you mentioned...if the private market cannot provide there, that is. I'd never support communism as I am not an egalitarian. I am an elitist through and through. What I'd support is Hayek's, Roepke's and Friedman's versions of minarchism, which include a safety net and focus on formal equality and the natural aristocracy.

My support for a safety net does not stem from any genuine consideration for the poor or genetically inferior...I simply realise that not to give them the basics would be a cause for rebellion. They must be sated and have equal opportunity.

As for my results, they haven't changed.

What were yours PM?

You have only just begun your journey to the dark side! *cackles*

*cackles*

Just a few more steps and I'll teach you how to do the finger-lightning thing!
well assuming the dark side is free market capitalism, i don't think i'll be going there any time soon :p

for one thing the world isn't a meritocracy... and capitalism kinda assumes it is...
but anyway, this isn't the place for that kind of discussion :P

I've seen the effort PM/Huw put into making the graph and the form and everything, so special fluffles to him :) :fluffle: :fluffle:

yay! thank you :) :fluffle:

as potaria said, people are not born equal, both in socioeconomic senses and talents and gifts etc. one can't legislate against the latter (as that would indeed be punishing the talented for something they had no control over recieving, which is just as bad as people having no choice in being born disadvantaged), but government can do things to ensure the former is equalled.

No. Promoting inequality based on morally arbitrary things like the amount of talent someone is born with is not avoiding the punishment of the talented, it is, rather, the punishment of those who are not born as talented.

The notion of a "natural aristocracy" is as vile as the notion of any kind of aristocracy.

I'll go with Rawls on this one - inequalities based on natural talent are only justified insofar as they benefit those disadvantaged in that respect as well as those privileged.