NationStates Jolt Archive

Why does Israel get all the credit when they attacked first?

They may hold those views to be a reaction, but they are wrong. The violence from the Palestinians is the reaction.
The violence from the Palestinians is the result of religious brainwashing from the Mufti. They started their organized attacks on the JEws in 1920, almost 30 years before Israel. You obviously know jack shit about the history of Israel.

I also would like to note that there are over 1,000,000 Palestinian Christians and not one of them has been a suicide bomber.

I don't support a lot of what ben Gurion did. Besides, in the quotes you've provided he's speaking as the Arabs see things, and he's a lot less wrong than they are. The land Israel exists on was NEVER Arab land, so their efforts to "reclaim" it have no root. They are trying to take back what was never theirs and is acknowledged by the UN (not that any realist really cares, the UN has accomplished about as much in the interests of peace as Hitler did, though the motives are entirely different, in case I get heat for this statement) as an independent nation. The land belongs to the Israelis, and as the world has seen, they'll give it up when it's pried from their cold, dead fingers.

The violence from the Palestinians is the result of religious brainwashing from the Mufti. They started their organized attacks on the JEws in 1920, almost 30 years before Israel. You obviously know jack shit about the history of Israel.

I also would like to note that there are over 1,000,000 Palestinian Christians and not one of them has been a suicide bomber.

He's got some good points, teh pantless hero and kazus. listen and learn what you claim to know already, but don't know jack shit about.

Israel and Lebanon are War-zones.. If you are a Lebanese and you pick up a gun.. If the IDF sees you, they will gun you down.. (I would if I was the IDF)..

its common sense.

If you are in a War zone and pick up a Gun.. you are taking a chance..
You will be killed/captured.. It is a consequence you know before hand..

If they kill/capture you.. do not complain (yes.. I know you cant complain if you are dead)

Fun part is unless they're military, the media will count them as Civilians. As will the Lebanese, it behooves them to paint Israel as badly as they can.

I'm not saying that Israel does no wrong.

But it's perfectly OK for Israel to attack Hezbollah, since Hezbollah kidnapped soldiers and rockets Israel on a regular basis.

I don't expect Israel to sit there and do nothing, or to capitulate.

Likewise, I expect Hezbollah to fight back. Although now that they are "out of supply", i.e, their supply routes by sea, air, and land are interdicted to all but foot traffic, and their areas are under fairly heavy air attack, they are going to get their butts handed to them by the IDF.

Same for Gaza. Israel retreated from Gaza. No more settlers or soldiers in Gaza. Evidently, that's not OK with the Palestinians, who were launching rockets into Israel at random (perhaps in retaliation for the "assassination by Hellfire missile" that the Israelis engage in - both sides of which are understandable).

I would have to say that on an attack per attack or round per round basis, the Arabs in this conflict either deliberately engage masses of civilians (suicide bombers) or don't care if they hit civilians (unguided rockets fired into random geographic areas). Israelis seem to hit civilians when civilians happen to be either a misidentified target, or in a location where a target (say a power station) is going to be destroyed.

Can't have a war without collateral damage and the occasional misidentified target. But no one is holding the Hez to that standard at all.

The violence from the Palestinians is the result of religious brainwashing from the Mufti. They started their organized attacks on the JEws in 1920, almost 30 years before Israel. You obviously know jack shit about the history of Israel.

I also would like to note that there are over 1,000,000 Palestinian Christians and not one of them has been a suicide bomber.
Then why create a Jewish state there?
I win.

But it's perfectly OK for Israel to attack Hezbollah, since Hezbollah kidnapped soldiers and rockets Israel on a regular basis.
I have no problem with Israel attacking Hezbollah. I have a problem with them not caring how they go about it, or rather, how they don't go about it.

He stated, and I quote "I don't like Islam and tend to not like Muslims."
Racist.

Islam is not a "race." Nor are Muslims a "race." So your pathetic accusations of "racism" are as wrong as the rest of your rants.

Opposition to Islam is fully warranted by the very words and actions of their own so-called prophet, let alone the actions of his evil followers today. Try studying the subject, if you are able to read any better than you can spell.

The violence from the Palestinians is the result of religious brainwashing from the Mufti. They started their organized attacks on the JEws in 1920, almost 30 years before Israel. You obviously know jack shit about the history of Israel.

Alot of people are angered over Mexicans coming into America, claiming that the Mexicans wish to essentially take over. So how can you blame the Palestinians for being angry at the Jews who openly wished to take over the land?

I also would like to note that there are over 1,000,000 Palestinian Christians and not one of them has been a suicide bomber.

This statistic is pointless.

Islam is not a "race." Nor are Muslims a "race." So your pathetic accusations of "racism" are as wrong as the rest of your rants.
Too bad you still irrationally dislike a group of people for no reason.

Locked pending assessment of rule violations.

This thread will stay locked as the last half of it is off-topic.

I have also made note of a considerable amount of back-and-forth flame-baiting, including but not limited to the following:

You fail at any kind of intelligence. Go chat with a mushroom or something.

Go take a long walk off a short pier. Wait, you know what? Forget the pier altogether.

You must really be illiterate or not realize how much damage modern weapons can do. Israel is not bombing the populace. You must really be dumb to think that there would only be 200 dead with Israel targetting the populace after 2500 bombing missions. You are really just full of shit. The number dead may seem high, but is actually quite low considering the size of the bombing campaign. Israel should actually be comended for the low numbers. If you knew jack shit about air campaigns, you would know how low thsese numbers actually are.

I'm going to TRY to make some sense of your logic, which appears to have no factual influence at all. You're saying that Israel is a terrorist, because in the course of eliminating the leadership of a group of genocidal extremists who kidnap their soldiers, they cause inadvertent civilian damage? You're either an anti-Semite or a terrorist sympathizer if you honestly think that, in which case any rational person's opinion of your intelligence would be further worsened.

Damn right. Why doesn't he just accept that he's already discredited everything he says be being a FUCKTARD and admit that he's an antisemite? It would make things so much easier.

Fuck you dude. I'm an American. And some of my best friends are muslims. You, however, are an intolerant prick. Get over Israel as a "terrorist." Through 60 years of fighting for their own survival they've beaten the Arabs at every turn and it won't change soon.

Graham Morrow is forum-banned for a week for flaming, flamebaiting, casting unwarranted slurs and stifling debate. The other participants are advised to keep their emotions in check.

Lastly, I am not in the least bit sympathetic to the argument that criticism of Israeli security policies is intrinsically anti-semitic, any more than criticism of any nation's policies is intrinsically xenophobic. As far as I could see, there were two anti-semitic posts made by one individual, the background sniping for the most part constituting an attempt to stifle debate. I do not wish to see this type of dogpiling again. Discussion of every nations's foreign policy will be kept open here. Attempts to slur participants based on their position in a debate will be judged harshly. Israel is not a special case.