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I wasnt trolling. I was merely arguing the other side of an issue for a time being.
And I'll go look again, but I'm pretty sure he said so at the beginning...

Too much coffee, Jocabia? Don't go and report everyone, now. Or those naked pictures I was thinking of sending you are going to disappear into the ether...

Yay naked pictures!

Too much coffee, Jocabia? Don't go and report everyone, now.

I didn't report him. I did report the person flaming, however. I like the rules. I work very hard on my posts. I don't want to waste my time on people who are just yanking my chain. There's enough of the real ones out there to deal with. Plus, when we do it to satirize them, they get to satirize us and that's a pain in the ass.

I'm with you on this one. Colin Farrell is boring. Colin Firth, on the other hand, is teh sexay. :p

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I threw up a little.

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I threw up a little.

Tee hee. To each their own. :)

Well, these two posts on the first and second pages made it pretty clear to me at least that he was just expounding on attitudes he's been presented with.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11365773&postcount=9
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11365832&postcount=24

I didn't report him. I did report the person flaming, however. I like the rules. I work very hard on my posts. I don't want to waste my time on people who are just yanking my chain. There's enough of the real ones out there to deal with. Plus, when we do it to satirize them, they get to satirize us and that's a pain in the ass.
They satirise us anyway...they don't wait for us to do it first. And honestly...how did you waste your time? Unless you were pulling up mad research...but seriously...what the hell time is it where you are? GO TO BED!

They satirise us anyway...they don't wait for us to do it first. And honestly...how did you waste your time? Unless you were pulling up mad research...but seriously...what the hell time is it where you are? GO TO BED!

I had a party! And previous to that, a very awkward 'hanging out'. But then a party!

Well, these two posts on the first and second pages made it pretty clear to me at least that he was just expounding on attitudes he's been presented with.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11365773&postcount=9
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11365832&postcount=24

Yeah, that's compelling evidence. I'm just warning him. You of all people know.

Why would you want your kid to be deformed?...thats just cruel. (Transgendered, not gay).

Well, these two posts on the first and second pages made it pretty clear to me at least that he was just expounding on attitudes he's been presented with.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11365773&postcount=9
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11365832&postcount=24
thank you, someone got it;)

See, that's why ya gotta start small, one liners and such. If they get serious about it, then you can go on.

Yeah, I did start small, because he was a bit too much of a stereotype.

Yeah, that's compelling evidence. I'm just warning him. You of all people know.
Consider him warned. I'm sure he's a big boy and can take care of himself. *sticks tongue out at you for being such a fuddy duddy*

Yeah, I did start small, because he was a bit too much of a stereotype.

...So...How much time did you waste exactly?

Consider him warned. I'm sure he's a big boy and can take care of himself. *sticks tongue out at you for being such a fuddy duddy*

I'm sure he's just sleepy.

Why would you want your kid to be deformed?...thats just cruel. (Transgendered, not gay).
How is being transgender being deformed? That makes little sense.

Why would you want your kid to be deformed?...thats just cruel. (Transgendered, not gay).

I've been over that. The idea is that she'd rather a transgendered kid be born to her instead of...uhhh...you?

...So...How much time did you waste exactly?

6.4 minutes

How is being transgender being deformed? That makes little sense.
Which one is the one where you have the wrong genitals? Thats the one I'm thinking of.

Why would you want your kid to be deformed?...thats just cruel. (Transgendered, not gay).
Huh?

Generally trangendered people are born quite whole.

Not all transgendered people get surgery.

So again...huh?

I've been over that. The idea is that she'd rather a transgendered kid be born to her instead of...uhhh...you?
Good call then.:)

6.4 minutes

...Just making a post?...And you consider that small?

6.4 minutes
*solem* You can never get back that time. But you can now expend your energy on Atlantian Islands, who really DOES have issues with homosexuality, and transgenderism.

How is being transgender being deformed? That makes little sense.

I believe he's referring to transsexualsi who of course would prefer their body was a bit different, so to speak.

Which one is the one where you have the wrong genitals? Thats the one I'm thinking of.
I think you're actually thinking of intersexed people...those born with ambiguous genitalia.

I believe he's referring to transsexualsi who of course would prefer their body was a bit different, so to speak.
ok, I guess I can see where hes going with that but its late and I cant tell anymore.

Huh?

Generally trangendered people are born quite whole.

Not all transgendered people get surgery.

So again...huh?
Which one is the one that has the wrong genitals for their body.

U sicken me that u would wish that upon anyone let alone ur children.
although this guy seems a little extreme on his views, he's right. People say being gay is normal, but in reality it's not. There have been studies that homosexuality results from the imbalance of chemicals in the brain.

Which one is the one that has the wrong genitals for their body.
None of them...that sounds kind of silly:)

But transgendered people are the ones who are a different gender than their biological sex.

although this guy seems a little extreme on his views, he's right. People say being gay is normal, but in reality it's not. There have been studies that homosexuality results from the imbalance of chemicals in the brain.
Happiness results from the same.

although this guy seems a little extreme on his views, he's right. People say being gay is normal, but in reality it's not. There have been studies that homosexuality results from the imbalance of chemicals in the brain.

Owch.:(

I think you're actually thinking of intersexed people...those born with ambiguous genitalia.
hermaphridites maybe?

ok, I guess I can see where hes going with that but its late and I cant tell anymore.
Where do you live?

I believe he's referring to transsexualsi who of course would prefer their body was a bit different, so to speak.
What are transexuals then?


I think you're actually thinking of intersexed people...those born with ambiguous genitalia.
Maybe thats it...I dunno I get confused with this...all the names sound the same to me.

hermaphridites maybe?
Exceedingly rare if not impossible, hermaphrodites have to have functioning male and female genitalia. Intersexed people have ambiguous genitalia...for example, a vagina and undescended testes...or a protrusion that could either be a penis or an enlarged clitoris.

None of them...that sounds kind of silly:)

But transgendered people are the ones who are a different gender than their biological sex.
Uh, fuck this shit, nigga..I dont even know....I get confused with all this. Nevermind.

Maybe thats it...I dunno I get confused with this...all the names sound the same to me.
It's the 'trans'.

Transvestites: Crossdresser...not necessarily gay, or transgendered, dressing in the clothes of the opposite sex.

Transgendered: opposite gender of the biological sex.

Transsexuals: transgendered people who have had surgery and/or hormone therapy to align their sex with their gender.

Intersexed: born with ambiguous genitalia...historically 'assigned' a gender.

Exceedingly rare if not impossible, hermaphrodites have to have functioning male and female genitalia. Intersexed people have ambiguous genitalia...for example, a vagina and undescended testes...or a protrusion that could either be a penis or an enlarged clitoris.
heres a question, is it possible for hermaphrodites to reproduce asexually? Since both parts work afterall.

heres a question, is it possible for hermaphrodites to reproduce asexually? Since both parts work afterall.
Since I've never seen an example of a real hermaphrodite ever having existed, I'd have to say no.

In the animal world, it usually means that an organism has had both male and female genitals at one point (not necessarily at the same time).

Hermaphrodite is still often used to refer to intersexed people.

Exceedingly rare if not impossible, hermaphrodites have to have functioning male and female genitalia. Intersexed people have ambiguous genitalia...for example, a vagina and undescended testes...or a protrusion that could either be a penis or an enlarged clitoris.
i saw a documentary on them (hermaphrodites) when i was in the 6th grade.:rolleyes: It's possible.:)

i saw a documentary on them (hermaphrodites) when i was in the 6th grade.:rolleyes: It's possible.:)
Give me an example of a single case in humans.

heres a question, is it possible for hermaphrodites to reproduce asexually? Since both parts work afterall.

Well, it wouldn't be asexually really.

Also, would it be like cloning or incest?

Give me an example of a single case in humans.

Google. Trust me, they're possible. :S

Google. Trust me, they're possible. :S
Trust me, you're looking at examples of intersexed people, who do not in fact have functioning male and female genitalia.

Give me an example of a single case in humans.

Would it be possible to tell if both sets were functional while the kid was, like, neo-natal?

Well, it wouldn't be asexually really.

Also, would it be like cloning or incest?
It wouldnt be cloning for sure. I guess some could consider it incest but I dont think it would be. And it is asexual because the person would be reproducing using themselves and themselves alone.

Would it be possible to tell if both sets were functional while the kid was, like, neo-natal?
*shrugs*

Well, it's been a blast folks...the bigots must be sleeping, else we'd have had much more of a kerfuffle.

Good night!

although this guy seems a little extreme on his views, he's right. People say being gay is normal, but in reality it's not. There have been studies that homosexuality results from the imbalance of chemicals in the brain.

Good. Then you should be able to post those studies. I'll wait.

*shrugs*

Well, it's been a blast folks...the bigots must be sleeping, else we'd have had much more of a kerfuffle.

Good night!

Ah. Because ambiguious genetalia are often altered one way or the other shortly after birth, I figured it could be possible a 'true hermaphrodite' was adjusted or something...

By experiance with my own dad and my brother it's easy to say that but when he does say he is gay or comes home in womens clothing then lets see how 'proud' you act.

Where do you live?


What are transexuals then?



Maybe thats it...I dunno I get confused with this...all the names sound the same to me.

Don't you think you should be a bit more educated on such things before you debate about them? My parents taught me not to argue from ignorance.

It wouldnt be cloning for sure. I guess some could consider it incest but I dont think it would be. And it is asexual because the person would be reproducing using themselves and themselves alone.

Asexual reproduction (also known as agamogenesis) is a form of reproduction which does not involve meiosis, gamete formation, or fertilization.

Technically, all those things are still involved. Self-pollination is still sexual reproduction...

It wouldnt be cloning for sure. I guess some could consider it incest but I dont think it would be. And it is asexual because the person would be reproducing using themselves and themselves alone.

Well, it kind of depends on exactly what definition of "asexual" you're using. I'd say it would be far better defined as sexual reproduction, albeit really weird sexual reproduction, but I'm far too sleepy to give a lecture on the biology of sexual and asexual reproduction at 1 AM. :p

Technically, all those things are still involved. Self-pollination is still sexual reproduction...
You right actually. Its been awhile since I've had a biology course.

Ahh, you're not stupid.

You're fucking retarded.
Grow up. :rolleyes:

First of all, humans are evil, children are humans, so children are evil. Secondly, if I have kids, I don't hope for them to be anything, it doesn't fucking matter. Stop trying to look tolerant, if you were tolerant you wouldn't care. I hope I find some transgedered hottie so I won't be able to have kids. I'm in a bad mood, can you tell? *storms off*

My son will always know unconditional love from me. My second child due in November will too. Sexuality is such a tiny unimportant thing. It amazes me how obsessed people get with sex. Especially other peoples' sex.

However, if I have to hope something... I hope every homophobe in the world has a gay kid. :)

Then you're not actually hearing me.

My girls play with the toys that interest them. Dresses, trucks, fairy wands, worms. "That's for boys AND girls, right mom?" is a common question my four-year old asks, because when people tell her "that's just for boys" I quickly point out that this is false.

Yeah, I was sucked in by your sensationalist headline. There's a difference between unconditional acceptance and approval of the lifestyle of your children and actively hoping that they turn out to be 'against the grain' just to prove how liberal your attitude is.

Getting into the meat of the thread has shown that it isn't really your position. It was alarm bell-ringing catchy headline that caught me. :)

Yeah, I was sucked in by your sensationalist headline. There's a difference between unconditional acceptance and approval of the lifestyle of your children and actively hoping that they turn out to be 'against the grain' just to prove how liberal your attitude is.

Getting into the meat of the thread has shown that it isn't really your position. It was alarm bell-ringing catchy headline that caught me. :)

I concur.

I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.

1. You're not the only person who wouldn't fuck over their child for the way they were born.

2. If parents are dumb enough to fuck over their child for that, they are probably already fucking them over for more trivial reasons than that. Like their hair color, or the fact that they have a little more body fat than Mom and Dad like. In fact, there are far, far more people fucked over for the little things and end up living fucked up lives. By comparison, comparatively few are fucked over because they are transgendered.

Or you know, you could just raise them straight like most parents...just a thought

That's about as efective as trying to raise a child blue eyed.

I played with dolls as a child and I'm heterosexual.

I played with dolls as a child and I'm heterosexual.

Dammit! Must've been defective. :p

By experiance with my own dad and my brother it's easy to say that but when he does say he is gay or comes home in womens clothing then lets see how 'proud' you act.
My brother is transgendered and I have no problem with him dressing in women's clothes. Neither do my parents. So your little acid test is nothing of the sort....quit projecting your own distaste onto others.

My brother is transgendered and I have no problem with him dressing in women's clothes. Neither do my parents. So your little acid test is nothing of the sort....quit projecting your own distaste onto others.


He's just a sweet tansvestite....

(when ever I see Sinuhue's name I always think of Pingue, you know that annoying little penguin in that cartoon that didn't talk? you know)

He's just a sweet tansvestite....

(when ever I see Sinuhue's name I always think of Pingue, you know that annoying little penguin in that cartoon that didn't talk? you know)
Well that's bizarre.

(when ever I see Sinuhue's name I always think of Pingue, you know that annoying little penguin in that cartoon that didn't talk? you know)

Sinuhue talks. Don't have to worry on that score. I don't know if she shares any penguin characteristics.

Sinuhue talks. Don't have to worry on that score. I don't know if she shares any penguin characteristics.I like fish?

I wouldn't mind if my kids were gay. I would still annoy them about getting married and finding a nice surrogate/sperm donor so I could have some grandkids.

Transgendered is a bit more of an isssue, but no more of an issue than if they deceide they don't want kids, really.

I like fish?

Hmm... do you often slide across snow on your belly? Is your backside darker than your front? Can you safely drink saltwater?

If you answer yes to these questions, well you just might be a penguin.

Hmm... do you often slide across snow on your belly? Is your backside darker than your front? Can you safely drink saltwater?

If you answer yes to these questions, well you just might be a penguin.

And then I get to gloat and be all I-told-you-so-y

Exceedingly rare if not impossible, hermaphrodites have to have functioning male and female genitalia. Intersexed people have ambiguous genitalia...for example, a vagina and undescended testes...or a protrusion that could either be a penis or an enlarged clitoris.


Well Hermaphrodites are as real as you and I. The term is not as commonly used today. Back 10-20 years ago, they used the term frequently, but most medical professionals use Intersexed now. So people will use the term most likely because they arent up to speed on the actual facts of the matter.


Intersex is a group of conditions where there is a discrepancy between the external genitals and the internal genitals (the testes and ovaries).

The older term for this condition, hermaphroditism, came from joining the names of a Greek god and goddess, Hermes and Aphrodite. Hermes was a god of male sexuality (among other things) and Aphrodite a goddess of female sexuality, love, and beauty.

Although the older terms are still included in this article for reference, they have been replaced by most experts (and patients and families) because they are misleading, confusing, and insensitive. Increasingly this group of conditions is being called disorders of sex development (DSDs).

I've seen one in person and even attended two Dr. appointments with them. It's a painful life...both physically and mentally.


Link: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001669.htm

Yup, Peech. Intersexed people are often referred to as hermaphrodites...but strictly speaking, they aren't. People are confused, and often picture a woman with both functioning vagina and penis. So hopefully, now they'll know that hermaphrodite is not the correct term for intersexed people

Yup, Peech. Intersexed people are often referred to as hermaphrodites...but strictly speaking, they aren't. People are confused, and often picture a woman with both functioning vagina and penis. So hopefully, now they'll know that hermaphrodite is not the correct term for intersexed people


I'm guessing it all depends on when they first heard about the condition.....like when I was 10 (22 years ago) I heard the family discussing it and they used the term Hermaphrodites because that's what the doctors used. Today, we say Intersexed. So others in this thread......the younger ones and those who may just be going on bits and pieces of info here and there, might think they are using the appropriate term.

They arent.

U sicken me that u would wish that upon anyone let alone ur children.
So they'd learn to type?

oh ok, I gotcha now. Thanks for clarifying. From what Ive heard though, if you raise em right you wont have to worry about them going gay.
Oh, shpedoinkel...

Yea, but to say "Oh God I hope I have a gay child!" sounds like you'll be dissapointed if you have a straight child, so the door swings both ways. I think that parents really should just remain netural on the sexuality or taste of the child and just hope for happiness for the child and that the child is a productive member of society.
"Parents remaining neutral." Man, you are funny.

::NEWS FLASH:::fluffle: Production(ive) or procreation can not take place between same sex partners.:fluffle:
Awright.

I'm sick of this entire notion that the ONLY way ANYONE can be PRODUCTIVE is to PUMP OUT A NEW UNIT! Jesus Tapdancing Christ, "productive" DOES NOT MEAN "REPRODUCING"! Mother Theresa never had kids, was she in ANY way "unproductive"?!?

There's no rolleyes icon BIG enough to express how full of hyena offal that argument is!

Your precious Mother Theresa wouldn't agree!!
I'm afraid she would. Do you have any idea how many gay folks she helped?

Alan Keyes.
Rick Santorum.

Why don't you help other people who are already gay or transgendered and having a tough idea with it rather than placing hopes or expectations on your unborn children? Also, I think that Wyvern Knights is exactly the kind of crap that ruins humanity. Personally, with people being gay or transgendered, it makes me uncomfortable. But do I have ANY right to dictate what they should or should not do, act or whatever? My answer is no. I mean, were I to say it's wrong, why not just be racist? Or ageist? Rather, I think that society would be better off if all people kept their personal sexual orientations... well... personal. I mean, I'd be just as uncomfortable seeing a straight couple making out in the open as a gay couple. I don't want to see making out, period. In this day and age, is it so much to ask?

My kids already have it tough. They are minorities, and aboriginal, in a country that is still trying to exterminate our culture. I don't relish the idea of raising a champion of gay rights...I am certain of it. Gay or not, my kids are not likely to have the distaste for those who don't share their sexuality that so many other children are raised to have. That alone, that lack of distaste, is enough to make a 'champion' in my mind, because it means they'll treat others as humans...not denigrate them because of who they like to fuck.

None of that means that you should hope your children are gay. I will raise my children to question traditional values and to stand up for themselves and others. I do not, however, want that battle to be at their doorstep everyday of their lives unless they want it to be.

Just try to raise your children socially..
If only I had that privilege

Gay/ transgendered children are not normal. They are mutations.

Gay/ transgendered children are not normal. They are mutations.
Technically speaking, so is all life save perhaps stromatolites.

Technically speaking, so is all life save perhaps stromatolites.
Now see, that only applies if you believe in evolution. Obviously, if he considers homosexuals to be mutations, he probably doesn't believe in evolution. Trans-gendered, as far as I know, IS a mutation, and not a healthy one. Why exactly would you want that for your children?

I mean, after all, the Vikings believed that to give birth to a dwarf was good luck, because dwarves had magic powers and lived longer than normal humans. Now, what is the benefit of being trans-gendered? I'm honestly curious here.

Now see, that only applies if you believe in evolution. Obviously, if he considers homosexuals to be mutations, he probably doesn't believe in evolution. Trans-gendered, as far as I know, IS a mutation, and not a healthy one. Why exactly would you want that for your children?

I mean, after all, the Vikings believed that to give birth to a dwarf was good luck, because dwarves had magic powers and lived longer than normal humans. Now, what is the benefit of being trans-gendered? I'm honestly curious here.
Transgenderism is not a mutation. Read back in the thread a few pages, the definitions are there. If you're talking morphological abnormality, you mean intersexed, or the archaic term hermaphroditism.

Transgendered people know that they were wired mentally for one gender but born physically into the other.

It's okay if he doesn't believe in evolution. Evolution believes in him.

I wouldn't want anyone to be transgendered.

It's not a particularly nice way to grow up...

In fact, it's a pretty fucking horrible way to grow up.

You know, I want that too. If I have children at all. ...hell, who am I kidding, it would be a shame to waste these childbearing hips.

it would be a shame to waste these childbearing hips.

Agrees and *applauds* the child-bearing hips.

Love those curves!

You know, I want that too. If I have children at all. ...hell, who am I kidding, it would be a shame to waste these childbearing hips.
Oh cruel fate - for giving me childbearing hips with the wrong set of genitals to accessorize them with.

I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.

Be my sex-machine of a wife when I am eighteen. You live in Canada too,

+1:p

i think it is fine that u would like it if all ur kids were gay, or atleast 1 of ur kids to be gay, but just raising ur kids correctly and such dosent change that. it is the child, or latr on in life, teenagers, or even latr, adults decision if they want to be gay, etc. so just raising ur children with good moral wont change how they feel about different sexes

Gay/ transgendered children are not normal.

Oh no, not the dreaded people who in some aspect of their being fall outside of the statistical norm! Run away!

:p

Be my sex-machine of a wife when I am eighteen. You live in Canada too,

+1:p
LOL, I forget sometimes how young a lot of the members here are. We're like something out of a Card novel, all these younguns debating international affairs. Or just hitting on each other.

Call me Demosthenes:upyours: Russia

LOL, I forget sometimes how young a lot of the members here are. We're like something out of a Card novel, all these younguns debating international affairs. Or just hitting on each other.

Call me Demosthenes:upyours: Russia

I'm Locke, I getta be president of Earth! :p

i think it is fine that u would like it if all ur kids were gay, or atleast 1 of ur kids to be gay, but just raising ur kids correctly and such dosent change that. it is the child, or latr on in life, teenagers, or even latr, adults decision if they want to be gay, etc. so just raising ur children with good moral wont change how they feel about different sexes
*beep*
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Extra ignored.

Oh cruel fate - for giving me childbearing hips with the wrong set of genitals to accessorize them with.
You win the thread!

*laugh my genitals off*

Oh cruel fate - for giving me childbearing hips with the wrong set of genitals to accessorize them with.

Well...at least you got the hips...

I wouldn't want anyone to be transgendered.

It's not a particularly nice way to grow up...

In fact, it's a pretty fucking horrible way to grow up.

I don't see why being transgendered would suck? I can see why being a transsexual would suck, but transgendered? Who cares if one defies normal gender roles?

To be clear, by transgendered, I mean acting as one gender with the anatomy of another, and by transexual, I mean being born physically of one sex and actually wanting to be the other sex physically.

I don't see why being transgendered would suck? I can see why being a transsexual would suck, but transgendered? Who cares if one defies normal gender roles?

To be clear, by transgendered, I mean acting as one gender with the anatomy of another, and by transexual, I mean being born physically of one sex and actually wanting to be the other sex physically.

Society is 50/50 with homosexuality but with transgendered.
Jesus christ, wouldn't want to be a transgendered boy in a grade 7 locker room.

So what? Hooray for you?

I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.
Illogical, unless you can prove beyond a doubt that there is a limit on the number of transgendered/gay people born such that if you have only transgendered and gay children they won't be had elsewhere.

Illogical, unless you can prove beyond a doubt that there is a limit on the number of transgendered/gay people born such that if you have only transgendered and gay children they won't be had elsewhere.

We've been over that, ya.

sadly it is true no mater what your kids are, they will be hated for what they are, by someone somewhere. hated if they are poor, hated if they are rich, hated if they are christian, hated if they are white, hated if they are black. too much hate out there. hate is the cuase of all pain and suffering in the would. ill teach my kids, not to pretend, to be what they are. better to be hated for what you are then hated for what you pretend to be.

sadly it is true no mater what your kids are, they will be hated for what they are, by someone somewhere. hated if they are poor, hated if they are rich, hated if they are christian, hated if they are white, hated if they are black. too much hate out there. hate is the cuase of all pain and suffering in the would. ill teach my kids, not to pretend, to be what they are. better to be hated for what you are then hated for what you pretend to be.

Shut up, I hate you!

If only more people were like you, Sinahue. You rawk my sawks! :eek:

Gay/ transgendered children are not normal. They are mutations.

As are X-Men. Are they any less awesome?

I don't see why being transgendered would suck? I can see why being a transsexual would suck, but transgendered? Who cares if one defies normal gender roles?

Because growing up hating your body for not being what you feel it should be and, by extension, hating yourself for not being what you feel you should be isn't much fun. I know, I've been there.

To be clear, by transgendered, I mean acting as one gender with the anatomy of another, and by transexual, I mean being born physically of one sex and actually wanting to be the other sex physically.

Well, by transgender I mean what you mean by transexual.

And what I mean by transsexual is someone who has gone through transition. Literally someone who is transsex.

Society is 50/50 with homosexuality but with transgendered.
Jesus christ, wouldn't want to be a transgendered boy in a grade 7 locker room.

Imagine how much "fun" it must have been being a transgendered kid at an all boys school...

Because growing up hating your body for not being what you feel it should be and, by extension, hating yourself for not being what you feel you should be isn't much fun. I know, I've been there.



Well, by transgender I mean what you mean by transexual.

And what I mean by transsexual is someone who has gone through transition. Literally someone who is transsex.

Ah, well, that I understand. It's the difference between wishing you were born the other sex and being glad of your sex but acting in a way that is considered 'traditional' of the other sex, for me. In that case, then I understand why you would say that, since I would wish for you the same thing you would wish for yourself.

Shut up, I hate you!

...Jocabia? Is that you?

Imagine how much "fun" it must have been being a transgendered kid at an all boys school...

...Okay, see, this ties up a whole lot of loose ends for me.

...Jocabia? Is that you?

It was intended to be a joke. I guess it didn't play well.

It was intended to be a joke. I guess it didn't play well.

No, that's exactly my point. You almost never joke like that. :p

No, that's exactly my point. You almost never joke like that. :p

No, I do. I just got tired of people not getting it or creating a problem so I stopped worrying about it. Someone always misunderstands sarcasm on here, so I stopped trying. In RL, I'm hideously sarcastic and if you did a search of my early posts on the forum...

No, I do. I just got tired of people not getting it or creating a problem so I stopped worrying about it. Someone always misunderstands sarcasm on here, so I stopped trying. In RL, I'm hideously sarcastic and if you did a search of my early posts on the forum...

Ah, I see...


:p

Ah, I see...


:p

Ah, wow, my sense of humor must be really absent if you don't believe me.

EDIT: See, I make jokes -

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11362555&postcount=18

Ah, wow, my sense of humor must be really absent if you don't believe me.

I believe you....It would be funny to see...the original Jocabia...

I believe you....It would be funny to see...the original Jocabia...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11355364&postcount=65

I still joke. I just don't rely on sarcasm and irony as much because it doesn't work.

Ah, wow, my sense of humor must be really absent if you don't believe me.

EDIT: See, I make jokes -

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11362555&postcount=18

...Not as funny as the one in this thread. :D

...Not as funny as the one in this thread. :D

Yeah, the problem is that you toe the line when you make jokes at time. I was actually concerned about that joke being misinterpreted.

If you had any idea what goes through my head when I read some of the comments by people in this thread. Especially those who are desperately looking for justifications for whatever hyperbolous belief they hold.

By the way, as I'm writing this, Robin Wright-Penn just told her son in a movie, "No shooting friends, Joseph." It was supposed to be a dramatic scene, but I nearly choked.