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I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.

I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born.
Im sorry but Im confused. explain

Im sorry but Im confused. explain
I'm neither a homophobe, nor am I freaked out by transgendered people. Many homosexual and transgendered people are raised in families where this is not the case. If my kids are gay or transgendered, they aren't going to be messed up by me or my husband, and told they are unnatural, or should change.

Im sorry but Im confused. explain

She'll treat them nicely either way.

I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.

You rock.

She'll treat them nicely either way.
I don't think enough families deal with the issue beforehand. How silly. Everyone should seriously consider it. What if? What if your kids are gay? Transgendered? How will you react? Will you love them less? If your answer is yes, you shouldn't have kids.

Frankly, I hope the exact same thing, for the same reasons. At least one gay child, anyway. It's so frustrating to see so many children pestered, insulted, and wrongfully treated because their parents are fucktards with this religious view or that moral view, or what have you.

I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.

U sicken me that u would wish that upon anyone let alone ur children.

I'm neither a homophobe, nor am I freaked out by transgendered people. Many homosexual and transgendered people are raised in families where this is not the case. If my kids are gay or transgendered, they aren't going to be messed up by me or my husband, and told they are unnatural, or should change.
oh ok, I gotcha now. Thanks for clarifying. From what Ive heard though, if you raise em right you wont have to worry about them going gay.

U sicken me that u would wish that upon anyone let alone ur children.
Your poor spelling makes me nauseous. I guess we're even.

oh ok, I gotcha now. Thanks for clarifying. From what Ive heard though, if you raise em right you wont have to worry about them going gay.

True so true.

Your poor spelling makes me nauseous. I guess we're even.

Hmm i don't think i misspelled a word, no matter, mine is a typing error, ur's is just hoping ur kid comes out with the equivelent of a diformacy.

oh ok, I gotcha now. Thanks for clarifying. From what Ive heard though, if you raise em right you wont have to worry about them going gay.
Uh-huh.

What you're heard is false.

How about this:

I hope my child is happy and healthy.

Fuck ethical issues about how we should feel about homosexuality. I know how I feel, and if I raise my kid right, he or she will feel the same way, and that's that.

Posted under my puppet, damnit.

You're awesome, Sinuhue. :D

Umm, shouldn't you really be wishing that your children are happy with themselves and their lives, also to be productive member of society? I mean I don't wish my kids to be gay just so they know that I have nothing wrong with it, If I ever have kids, all I ever want is that they are happy with themselves and their lives, and that they are productive member of society.

Hmm i don't think i misspelled a word, no matter, mine is a typing error, ur's is just hoping ur kid comes out with the equivelent of a diformacy.
Please. Mangle the English language no more.

We'll good for you, you have the balls to have some kids. Lord knows I hate kids too much to ever have 'em. If I did have some, and they turned out Gay or whatever, I wouldn't like it, and I'd encourage them otherwise, but really there isn't much I could do except sit back and wish them luck with it. But, when I look at how much I hate kids, I shouldn't have them in the first place.

Hmm i don't think i misspelled a word, no matter, mine is a typing error, ur's is just hoping ur kid comes out with the equivelent of a diformacy.
Spellcheckers are free and extremely easy to use.

I hope all my kids are born with flippers and gills - cause I have a really nice swimming pool.

Umm, shouldn't you really be wishing that your children are happy with themselves and their lives, also to be productive member of society? I mean I don't wish my kids to be gay just so they know that I have nothing wrong with it, If I ever have kids, all I ever want is that they are happy with themselves and their lives, and that they are productive member of society.
I don’t need to wish those things. I am fairly certain that will already be the case. I have faith in myself as a parent. However, my kids, as gay or transgendered, would have even more of a chance of happiness and ‘productivity’ than similar children in intolerant homes. Would you want racists to raise children not of their background? I say, rather us than the parents who hate their children for being born a certain way.

I don’t need to wish those things. I am fairly certain that will already be the case. I have faith in myself as a parent. However, my kids, as gay or transgendered, would have even more of a chance of happiness and ‘productivity’ than similar children in intolerant homes. Would you want racists to raise children not of their background? I say, rather us than the parents who hate their children for being born a certain way.

Yea, but to say "Oh God I hope I have a gay child!" sounds like you'll be dissapointed if you have a straight child, so the door swings both ways. I think that parents really should just remain netural on the sexuality or taste of the child and just hope for happiness for the child and that the child is a productive member of society.

I honestly wonder why you would want your children to have a more difficult life than they have to.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with gay folks, I don't think it's unnatural or a "mental disease" or all the typical homophobic bullshit. But let's face facts and recognize that being gay in this society is harder than being straight, and puts you at a disadvantage in today's society.

Now I think it's great that you know you'd be a loving and supportive parent no matter what, but why willingly wish for your children a harder life than they could have otherwise?

Now if you're saying "better my children be gay than other people's children" and I'd get that if it were not for the fact that...well..it doesn't work that way.

There's not a gay quota out there, there's not a fixed number of homosexuals born every day. It's not like if your children are born gay then some bigots kids that would have been gay will suddenly be born hetero in order to fulfill some cosmic gay/straight balance of the universe...

Uh-huh.

What you're heard is false.
you sure cause Wyvern Knights agrees with me

Umm, shouldn't you really be wishing that your children are happy with themselves and their lives, also to be productive member of society? I mean I don't wish my kids to be gay just so they know that I have nothing wrong with it, If I ever have kids, all I ever want is that they are happy with themselves and their lives, and that they are productive member of society.

I don't think she's saying "I want my children to be gay or transgendered just so they'll see how cool I am about that" so much as "I hope some portion of the roughly fixed percentage of the next generation that will be gay or transgendered is raised by me, because I would be a better parent to them than a lot of people would." :)

I hope all my kids are born with flippers and gills - cause I have a really nice swimming pool.
LMAO---great analogy for the original comment....I hope it makes them feel as stupid as they seem.dude-->:fluffle:<--dude :sniper:

How about this:

I hope my child is happy and healthy.

Fuck ethical issues about how we should feel about homosexuality. I know how I feel, and if I raise my kid right, he or she will feel the same way, and that's that.
The same way as what? That same way about homosexuality? And if they differ? Did you fail as a parent, or will you blame the child?

you sure cause Wyvern Knights agrees with me

Congratulations.

You're both stupid.

I don't think she's saying "I want my children to be gay or transgendered just so they'll see how cool I am about that" so much as "I hope some portion of the roughly fixed percentage of the next generation that will be gay or transgendered is raised by me, because I would be a better parent to them than a lot of people would." :)

Well that is how she is coming off to me. IMHO, a person who says what I have put in bold, is no better than the intolerant parents.

dude-->:fluffle:<--dude :sniper:

Ooh, bigotry in smiley form. How terribly witty.

I hope my kids are midgets because my front door is small.

I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.
Sinuhue, if you weren't a woman, I'd kiss you!

Oh, and what the heck!

:fluffle:

Hmm I don't think I misspelled a word, no matter, mine is a typing error, your's is just hoping your kid comes out with the equivelent of a diformacy.
Grammar improved.

And I must tell you.. homosexuality is normal, unlike a "diformacy".

Ooh, bigotry in smiley form. How terribly witty.

How was that bigot?

Yea, but to say "Oh God I hope I have a gay child!" sounds like you'll be dissapointed if you have a straight child, so the door swings both ways.
I made it clear in the first post that I'd be happy either way.
I think that parents really should just remain netural on the sexuality or taste of the child and just hope for happiness for the child and that the child is a productive member of society.
You can't stay neutral and hope that society will help your child to be happy in their sexuality.

Grammar improved.

And I must tell you.. homosexuality is normal, unlike a "diformacy".

So, I'm not "normal" because I have a deformity? Well I already knew that, I was just amused by your choice of words.

Well that is how she is coming off to me. IMHO, a person who says what I have put in bold, is no better than the intolerant parents.

I'd say it's a little better than "I want them to be straight because gay people are ABOMINATIONS!" but it would certainly still be stupid. Like I said, though, I'm pretty sure that's not at all what Sinuhue meant, but I'll let her officially verify that. :)

Umm, shouldn't you really be wishing that your children are happy with themselves and their lives, also to be productive member of society? I mean I don't wish my kids to be gay just so they know that I have nothing wrong with it, If I ever have kids, all I ever want is that they are happy with themselves and their lives, and that they are productive member of society.
How are they not productive members of society?

I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.

No offense, I see where you're coming from, but you sound like a parent who would make their boys play with barbies and their girls with construction sets jsut for the sake of role reversal.

you sure cause Wyvern Knights agrees with me

LOL! Best thing I've read all day! :D

How are they not productive members of society?

How is who not productive? Wilgrove's future children? That's probably because they're not born yet.

Stupid good for nothing unborn. What did they ever do for anyone?

I made it clear in the first post that I'd be happy either way.
Well I must've missed that, my bad.


You can't stay neutral and hope that society will help your child to be happy in their sexuality.

All I'm saying is that I think you could've worded the OP better. How about this?

I hope I have a healthy child who will be happy with himself and his life. If he turns out gay, or wants to be a transexual, then that's ok, because I will love him no matter what, and I always will, and I will tell him that no matter what path he takes in his life, he will always be my son, and I'll always tolerate his choice.

So, I'm not "normal" because I have a deformity? Well I already knew that, I was just amused by your choice of words.
*looks for a thesaurus*

I mean.. nevermind.

How are they not productive members of society?

They're not reproductive members.

How is who not productive? Wilgrove's future children? That's probably because they're not born yet.

Stupid good for nothing unborn. What did they ever do for anyone?
Homosexuals.

How was that bigot?

His little "sniper" smiley is shooting at a pair of kissing smilies, which he has labeled as being two "dudes." Like I said, terribly witty.

How are they not productive members of society?

I never said they wern't.

His little "sniper" smiley is shooting at a pair of kissing smilies, which he has labeled as being two "dudes." Like I said, terribly witty.

ahh, well the sniper was on the second line, below the smilies, so I didn't make that connection.

They're not reproductive members.
Addoptive parents are more productive than those who just pop them out, I would think.

Grammar improved.

And I must tell you.. homosexuality is normal, unlike a "diformacy".
Since when is homosexuality normal? If it was normal the human race would die out.

How are they not productive members of society?
::NEWS FLASH:::fluffle: Production(ive) or procreation can not take place between same sex partners.:fluffle:

The same way as what? That same way about homosexuality? And if they differ? Did you fail as a parent, or will you blame the child?
Both. I have to blame myself because I'm the parent, but obviously it was partly do to the child's fault because they have a free will.

Course frankly I'm neutral. I don't mind homosexuals, I want gay-marriage to be legal, so they only way he or she could "rebel" is if they became a skinhead or something.

And even then, hey, it'd be differant from the normal bleeding heart routine. I mean look at this crap "I hope my kid is gay so I can prove a point!"

Screw your point, the only thing you should be concerned about is the well being of your child. It doesn't matter so much what you think, as rather what you do and how you continue your legacy. But far be it for a liberal to understand that. What with the narscistic vacuum being where thier morales should've been..

His little "sniper" smiley is shooting at a pair of kissing smilies, which he has labeled as being two "dudes." Like I said, terribly witty.
c'mon it was funny....I love fags

*looks for a thesaurus*

I mean.. nevermind.

lol. It's ok, I'm not offended. :)

::NEWS FLASH:::fluffle: Production(ive) or procreation can not take place between same sex partners.:fluffle:

I find your nonsensical fluffling a bit creepy. What kind of freaks raised you??

LMAO---great analogy for the original comment....I hope it makes them feel as stupid as they seem.dude-->:fluffle:<--dude :sniper:

Oh kiss me, you stud!

Since when is homosexuality normal? If it was normal the human race would die out.
Fuck.

My heads not working properly tonight..

I guess I could say sexuality is normal?

Since when is homosexuality normal? If it was normal the human race would die out.

Because, shockingly, two people can have more than two children.

And realize what you just said was the logical equivilant of "how could blue eyes be normal? If it were normal then how come people have green eyes? Nobody with blue eyes could have been born that way!"

I find your nonsensical fluffling a bit creepy. What kind of freaks raised you??
My two dad's

Addoptive parents are more productive than those who just pop them out, I would think.

I agree. They add more value than the original manufacturer.

lol. It's ok, I'm not offended. :)
Good :p

Good :p

yea, I like to mess with people sometimes, it's fun to watch them sweat.

Because, shockingly, two people can have more than two children.

And realize what you just said was the logical equivilant of "how could blue eyes be normal? If it were normal then how come people have green eyes? Nobody with blue eyes could have been born that way!"

So why is it okay for normal sexuality to spit out kids for those that play for the same team?

My two dad's

You were raised by Paul Reiser and Greg Evigan? Ewwww.

::NEWS FLASH:::fluffle: Production(ive) or procreation can not take place between same sex partners.:fluffle:

I'll be sure to inform Mother Theresa if I ever see her that she wasn't a productive member of society.

I guess I could say sexuality is normal?
Some would say sexuality is just the devil misleading from Gods love.

I don't think she's saying "I want my children to be gay or transgendered just so they'll see how cool I am about that" so much as "I hope some portion of the roughly fixed percentage of the next generation that will be gay or transgendered is raised by me, because I would be a better parent to them than a lot of people would." :)
Exactamente.

yea, I like to mess with people sometimes, it's fun to watch them sweat.
Evil man. When I try to debate I mess up, so it's nothing different from my usual mood in this type of thread..

I'll be sure to inform Mother Theresa if I ever see her that she wasn't a productive member of society.
And cue the Bible thumpers.

Some would say sexuality is just the devil misleading from Gods love.

Yea, but no one listens to them anyways.

I think a lot of people missed the point of the thread.

It is a woman's grievance against intolerant people who raise kids and, upon discovering that the kid is gay or something akin to it, disowns and ridicules said kid.

She would prefer that another gay child be born to her, a woman who would not be so prejudiced and discriminate, than to a parent who would.

http://www.ranting-gryphon.com/Rants/2rant-parents.mp3

Behold, 2.

you sure cause Wyvern Knights agrees with me
Well in that case....:)

So why is it okay for normal sexuality to spit out kids for those that play for the same team?

well...

1) there's nothing wrong with being gay in the first place, thus it's perfectly "ok" to have gay kids.

2) Being gay is not something that can be controlled, or changed. Your children will either be born gay, or they will not. There's not much you can do about that fact.

Because, shockingly, two people can have more than two children.

And realize what you just said was the logical equivilant of "how could blue eyes be normal? If it were normal then how come people have green eyes? Nobody with blue eyes could have been born that way!"
no, its completely different

Uh-huh.

What you're heard is false.


Is there something wrong with being gay?

I'm not. I'm "straight". I happen to like women. I think nothing less of other men who happen to feel attracted to other men. Don't come back with the religious "It's against god!" either, because that isn't the case. God is immaculate and perfect. He wants people to be this way for a reason if he so exists.

besides, homosexuality is 90% of the time due to a differentiation of the brain, which enables those feelings. That has been scientifically proven. Nothing wrong with it, it's just the way they were "put together" so to speak


Good post Sinuhue, I wish more people held your views. :)

Evil man. When I try to debate I mess up, so it's nothing different from my usual mood in this type of thread..

*laughes like Dr. Evil from Austin Powers*

Sin is just trying to make a point about something she feels very strongly about and something she has personal experience with. I'm sure she's not sprinkling homosexual/transgendered powder on their cereal.


As for my own children, I will love and support them the same if they are gay or straight, if they grow up to be a Brain Surgeon or a Pizza Delivery person, if they choose to have children or not, etc. As long as they respect themselves and others, show kindness and tolerance, and love themselves. Oh and visit me on a regular basis.

LMAO---great analogy for the original comment....I hope it makes them feel as stupid as they seem.dude-->:fluffle:<--dude :sniper:
Yes, I am we, plural...and your grammar sucks.

well...

1) there's nothing wrong with being gay in the first place, thus it's perfectly "ok" to have gay kids.

2) Being gay is not something that can be controlled, or changed. Your children will either be born gay, or they will not. There's not much you can do about that fact.
Your precious Mother Theresa wouldn't agree!!

And cue the Bible thumpers.

Either I missed the point of your post, or you missed the point of the quoted post.

Mother Teresa was a nun, and therefore not allowed to procreate. Thus, if procreation = productive, Mother Teresa =/= productive.

And cue the Bible thumpers.

The hell?

I'm jewish you jerkass. I picked mother theresa as an example to COUNTER the argument that gays can't be productive members of society since she was an individual who did a lot of good and, for obvious reasons, never had kids.

Do try, and I know it's hard but TRY to improve that reading comprehention, ok?

Yea, but no one listens to them anyways.
but doesnt that just mean they are doomed to hell for denying god and the christ child?

Sin is just trying to make a point about something she feels very strongly about and something she has personal experience with. I'm sure she's not sprinkling homosexual/transgendered powder on their cereal.


As for my own children, I will love and support them the same if they are gay or straight, if they grow up to be a Brain Surgeon or a Pizza Delivery person, if they choose to have children or not, etc. As long as they respect themselves and others, show kindness and tolerance, and love themselves. Oh and visit me on a regular basis.
and your a Christian?

Well that is how she is coming off to me. IMHO, a person who says what I have put in bold, is no better than the intolerant parents.
Yes, I hate straight people so much, I'm going to try to make my children gay:rolleyes: Oh wait...no, forcing a child to change their sexual orientation is actually what I'm against. Wow.

:mp5: Either I missed the point of your post, or you missed the point of the quoted post.

Mother Teresa was a nun, and therefore not allowed to procreate. Thus, if procreation = productive, Mother Teresa =/= productive.
mmmmmmmmmmkay

Sin is just trying to make a point about something she feels very strongly about and something she has personal experience with. I'm sure she's not sprinkling homosexual/transgendered powder on their cereal.


As for my own children, I will love and support them the same if they are gay or straight, if they grow up to be a Brain Surgeon or a Pizza Delivery person, if they choose to have children or not, etc. As long as they respect themselves and others, show kindness and tolerance, and love themselves. Oh and visit me on a regular basis.

Exactly! :)

I honestly hope my child isn't, simply for their sake. Life can certainly more difficult for gay or transgendered people.

Of course that doesn't mean that I would love them any less.

:mp5:
mmmmmmmmmmkay


He's right, and you're an idiot.

Yes, I am we, plural...and your grammar sucks.

I always suspected you were plural. You're just too hot to be one girl.

Some would say sexuality is just the devil misleading from Gods love.
Meh, religion..

The hell?

I'm jewish you jerkass. I picked mother theresa as an example to COUNTER the argument that gays can't be productive members of society since she was an individual who did a lot of good and, for obvious reasons, never had kids.

Do try, and I know it's hard but TRY to improve that reading comprehention, ok?
Did your Rabi touch you?

Yes, I hate straight people so much, I'm going to try to make my children gay:rolleyes: Oh wait...no, forcing a child to change their sexual orientation is actually what I'm against. Wow.

Ok...so that was a bit extreme...

and your a Christian?

Loving your children without regard for who they are or what they do would appear to me to be a VERY "christian" thing to do.

Did your Rabi touch you?

Ahh, you're not stupid.

You're fucking retarded.

No offense, I see where you're coming from, but you sound like a parent who would make their boys play with barbies and their girls with construction sets jsut for the sake of role reversal.
Then you're not actually hearing me.

My girls play with the toys that interest them. Dresses, trucks, fairy wands, worms. "That's for boys AND girls, right mom?" is a common question my four-year old asks, because when people tell her "that's just for boys" I quickly point out that this is false.

The hell?

I'm jewish you jerkass. I picked mother theresa as an example to COUNTER the argument that gays can't be productive members of society since she was an individual who did a lot of good and, for obvious reasons, never had kids.

Do try, and I know it's hard but TRY to improve that reading comprehention, ok?

I always thought Mother Theresa was an immoral hypocrite and glory hound.

Well I must've missed that, my bad.



All I'm saying is that I think you could've worded the OP better. How about this?

I hope I have a healthy child who will be happy with himself and his life. If he turns out gay, or wants to be a transexual, then that's ok, because I will love him no matter what, and I always will, and I will tell him that no matter what path he takes in his life, he will always be my son, and I'll always tolerate his choice.
Thanks, but it doesn't quite capture my wish. My wish, however unreasonable, is that instead of being raised by bigots, a gay or transgendered child could be born to me to be raised. That's why it's phrased as a wish. If my kids are straight, that's just fine...but I would so much rather it be me and my husband raising children who would be reviled by others.

Wait, we already are...the offspring of an interracial marriage...but anyway.

Loving your children without regard for who they are or what they do would appear to me to be a VERY "christian" thing to do.

If you drop the whole Old Testament, that is. Which aint a bad idea.

I always thought Mother Theresa was an immoral hypocrite and glory hound.

WTF?! :upyours:

and your a Christian?


Me? I wont get into how I feel about the almighty right now. Thats another thread. Let's just say, he and I disagree about a lot of stuff.

Thanks, but it doesn't quite capture my wish. My wish, however unreasonable, is that instead of being raised by bigots, a gay or transgendered child could be born to me to be raised. That's why it's phrased as a wish. If my kids are straight, that's just fine...but I would so much rather it be me and my husband raising children who would be reviled by others.

Wait, we already are...the offspring of an interracial marriage...but anyway.

Yea, but like everything else in life you don't always get your wish.

Thanks, but it doesn't quite capture my wish. My wish, however unreasonable, is that instead of being raised by bigots, a gay or transgendered child could be born to me to be raised.

But that's just it, there's no "quota" of gay in the world. The gods of gay balance don't go "well, Sinuhue just had a homosexual, so that kid in Missouri that is going to be born to rednecks will have to be straight. Otherwise the delidcate gay scales will be thrown off entirely."

I understand what you're saying, but you having a gay child wont magically make someone else NOT have one.

Me? I wont get into how I feel about the almighty right now. Thats another thread. Let's just say, he and I disagree about a lot of stuff.
That was actually my fault, I got you confused with smukeeville

But that's just it, there's no "quota" of gay in the world. The gods of gay balance don't go "well, Sinuhue just had a homosexual, so that kid in Missouri that is going to be born to rednecks will have to be straight. Otherwise the delidcate gay scales will be thrown off entirely."

I understand what you're saying, but you having a gay child wont magically make someone else NOT have one.

Yes, it does work as a quota. My assigned number is 246253/11634.

Yes, it does work as a quota. My assigned number is 246253/11634.

no WAY! My roomate in college was #11635!

Yes, it does work as a quota. My assigned number is 246253/11634.


*thinks about that*
Hmm....lol

Screw your point, the only thing you should be concerned about is the well being of your child. It doesn't matter so much what you think, as rather what you do and how you continue your legacy. But far be it for a liberal to understand that. What with the narscistic vacuum being where thier morales should've been..
Screw your point, whatever you actually think it is. I am concerned about the wellbeing of my children. Luckily, if they are gay or transgendered, this 'liberal' will ensure that they don't grow up thinking something is wrong with them. Too bad more parents couldn't be the adults they are supposed to be and ensure the same.

I say it again. If you can't stand the thought of your children being gay or transgendered, don't reproduce.

I say it again. If you can't stand the thought of your children being gay or transgendered, don't reproduce.
Or you know, you could just raise them straight like most parents...just a thought

Sin is just trying to make a point about something she feels very strongly about and something she has personal experience with. I'm sure she's not sprinkling homosexual/transgendered powder on their cereal. Muahahahaha! And when they are teens, I'll hide lesbian porn under their beds, and dress them as boys!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

*thinks about that*
Hmm....lol

Seriously, it's tattooed on my left... Err...

Kidding!

Screw your point, whatever you actually think it is. I am concerned about the wellbeing of my children. Luckily, if they are gay or transgendered, this 'liberal' will ensure that they don't grow up thinking something is wrong with them. Too bad more parents couldn't be the adults they are supposed to be and ensure the same.

I say it again. If you can't stand the thought of your children being gay or transgendered, don't reproduce.

The thing is, in a way, I agree. As a parent, you should not care what sexuality your children are. You shouldn't care in the least. You should care that they be happy and healthy and content with their lives. That's all. Hoping your kids be born gay is no different then hoping they be born straights.

Now I understand that you'd rather you be the one with the gay kids over some less enlightened couple, but as I said, the sexuality of your kids in no way relates to the sexuality of other people's kids.

I honestly hope my child isn't, simply for their sake. Life can certainly more difficult for gay or transgendered people.

Of course that doesn't mean that I would love them any less.

Yes, this has been stated before, and I agree.

However, part of the reason life can be more difficult for gay and transgendered people is a lack of family support and understanding. Altering that factor would make a HUGE difference. You can put up with a lot of intolerance and stupidity when you have the rock of your family to rely on.

Seriously, it's tattooed on my left... Err...

Kidding!


I'll give ya credit mate, that was good.

You've earned a cookie *gives cookie*

Or you know, you could just raise them straight like most parents...just a thought

I'd say I hope you have gay kids for the learning experience, but I'd hate to inflict the children to you.

Yea, but like everything else in life you don't always get your wish.

Why would you say that?

Muahahahaha! And when they are teens, I'll hide lesbian porn under their beds, and dress them as boys!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
And all this time I thought the only thing you were asking of your kids is that they're not ignorant to others.. :p

That was actually my fault, I got you confused with smukeeville

Oh-no problem..... Smunk is a very nice lady. We most likely disagree on things when it comes to Christianity, but hopefully we can still be friends. I'm not one for labels. I am what I am....I believe what I believe. I like to think I am a "good person" which is not always synonymous with "Christian".

Ok...so that was a bit extreme...
So is suggesting that I'm anti-straight, that I would force my girls to play with 'boy stuff' just to reverse 'norms', and any of the other stupid theories about me winging around this thread.

I'll give ya credit mate, that was good.

You've earned a cookie *gives cookie*
*stashes cookie in a dark corner*

I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.

I think you mean that you wish transgendered and gay kids had parents like you. I agree with the general sentiment, but wishing that your kids are trangendered or gay is equal to wishing they were heterosexual. I realize you'll love them either way, but I think you need to be careful with such things, Sin. Not to mention, you add credibility to the goofball view that liberals are trying to spread homosexuality and transgendered, uh, ness, rather than simply accepting it as a natural part of the human condition.

Yea, but like everything else in life you don't always get your wish.
And I'm fine with that.

I am also more intellectually and emotionally prepared for a deviation in the 'straight' scheme of things.

How many can say the same?

Muahahahaha! And when they are teens, I'll hide lesbian porn under their beds, and dress them as boys!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Dont forget to beat them regularly with the cross dressing stick! Mine's about worn out.

But that's just it, there's no "quota" of gay in the world. The gods of gay balance don't go "well, Sinuhue just had a homosexual, so that kid in Missouri that is going to be born to rednecks will have to be straight. Otherwise the delidcate gay scales will be thrown off entirely."

I understand what you're saying, but you having a gay child wont magically make someone else NOT have one.
Yeah, I get it. That's not the point. The more well balanced homosexual and transgendered people, the better...if for no other reason than to support those that are tossed out on their asses by ignorant parents.

However, part of the reason life can be more difficult for gay and transgendered people is a lack of family support and understanding. Altering that factor would make a HUGE difference. You can put up with a lot of intolerance and stupidity when you have the rock of your family to rely on.

I don't agree. Family can only go so far, and that is not nearly far enough.

Or you know, you could just raise them straight like most parents...just a thought

Tell me, Dr. Ruth, how does one raise a child straight?

I'm sure she's not sprinkling homosexual/transgendered powder on their cereal.

I can see the ads now... "Homosexual Powder - It's Fabulously Delicious!"

;)

Tell me, Dr. Ruth, how does one raise a child straight?

Porn.

Or you know, you could just raise them straight like most parents...just a thought
You miss the fact that you don't 'raise' your kids to be straight, gay or transgendered. Otherwise, there would be many less of these people in the world. Do you honestly believe that in fundamentalist Saudi Arabia, any child is raised to be gay? And yet, gay Saudis exist. How can that be? How is that possible if you can magically raise a child to be a certain sexuality?

Tell me, Dr. Ruth, how does one raise a child straight?
By not making them gay, simple.

By not making them gay, simple.

And how do you not make them gay?

By raising them straight.

The power of infinite logic!

You miss the fact that you don't 'raise' your kids to be straight, gay or transgendered. Otherwise, there would be many less of these people in the world. Do you honestly believe that in fundamentalist Saudi Arabia, any child is raised to be gay? And yet, gay Saudis exist. How can that be? How is that possible if you can magically raise a child to be a certain sexuality?
maybe they are straight but went gay to rebel against society or their parents.

Why would you say that?

Because it's true.

By not making them gay, simple.

You know, I don't remember being 'raised gay'.I certainly don't remember falling in love to rebel.

And I'm fine with that.

I am also more intellectually and emotionally prepared for a deviation in the 'straight' scheme of things.

How many can say the same?

I can.

And how do you not make them gay?

By raising them straight.

The power of infinite logic!
Thats right. Dont let boys play with dolls, teach them from a young age that mommy is supposed to love a daddy, not another mommy, etc.

By not making them gay, simple.

I'm under the impression that you're not taking this seriously, rather, you seem to be satirizing (poorly).

But I'll humor you.

Go ahead and make yourself gay. Try to be attracted to someone of the same sex. Get a friend to help, to encourage you to be gay. You apparently think it's a choice. Go ahead and make that choice yourself. One cannot.

Thats right. Dont let boys play with dolls, teach them from a young age that mommy is supposed to love a daddy, not another mommy, etc.

Now, you strayed from entertaining to vaguely offensive.

By not making them gay, simple.

Or maybe they're just fucking born that way. Simple.

You know, I don't remember being 'raised gay'.I certainly don't remember falling in love to rebel.
good point, your parents raised you like most. I wasnt raised gay either.

You know, I don't remember being 'raised gay'.I certainly don't remember falling in love to rebel.

My dad took me to Castro street one time when we were in San Fran. Was he trying to raise me gay? :p

I think you mean that you wish transgendered and gay kids had parents like you. Also true, but not quite the full extent of it.

I agree with the general sentiment, but wishing that your kids are trangendered or gay is equal to wishing they were heterosexual. I realize you'll love them either way, but I think you need to be careful with such things, Sin. Not to mention, you add credibility to the goofball view that liberals are trying to spread homosexuality and transgendered, uh, ness, rather than simply accepting it as a natural part of the human condition.
It may sound ridiculous, but so is

"I hope my kids aren't gay or transgendered because they'd have such a hard life".

Idiots can believe I'm trying to spread teh gay...too bad for them. No, I don't need to be careful with such things...the people who are homophobic and so certain about gender will continue to be so. I don't feel like phrasing it in a less 'threatening' way. Sometimes a bit of solidarity needs to sound somewhat radical.

So kids...gay, straight, bi, trans, whatever...I've got your back.

Thats right. Dont let boys play with dolls, teach them from a young age that mommy is supposed to love a daddy, not another mommy, etc.

Hey hey hey... they're called action figure ok? Not dolls, Action figures! :p


Ahh I am having fun with this thread.

My dad took me to Castro street one time when we were in San Fran. Was he trying to raise me gay? :p

ZOMG

Did you escape? DID YOU CATCH IT?

good point, your parents raised you like most. I wasnt raised gay either.

And yet...wait for it...

He's gay...

I don't agree. Family can only go so far, and that is not nearly far enough.
This world is never going to change if we don't make it. And people without family support are much less likely to be able to advocate for themselves later on. It isn't far enough, but it's a million miles ahead of where we are right now.

Because it's true.

But it isn't at all relevant. Relevancy is just as important as truth.

Yes, the world sucks, everyone's gonna die, getting kicked in the nuts sucks, and Santa Claus isn't real. Why is that important here?

Now, you strayed from entertaining to vaguely offensive.
Im not trying to offend anyone, Im merely pointing out ways that one could try to raise a straight child.

good point, your parents raised you like most. I wasnt raised gay either.

Guess what?

I'm a gay. One of 'the gays'. A homosexual. The only gay in the village! Except don't live in a village, and I'm pretty sure there are other gays, but still...

By not making them gay, simple.

Being gay isn't like being bigotted. It's possible to raise your children to not be biggotted. It's not possible to raise your children to not be gay. Your parents apparently didn't know the difference.

Here's a thought. How about you read a study or two before you say things that don't make any sense?

Actually, when I have kids I want to make sure I don't raise them gay. Can you tell me exactly what behavior makes kids gay?

maybe they are straight but went gay to rebel against society or their parents.
Yeah. Facing death is the ultimate in rebellion.

I'm hearing you, and the tone, so I'm not tearing a chunk out of you...but these views you ape are foolish, and I hope we all see that.

Im not trying to offend anyone, Im merely pointing out ways that one could try to raise a straight child.

Which will all fail, as homosexuality is not something one "turns into". Believing otherwise is ignorant and stupid.

ZOMG

Did you escape? DID YOU CATCH IT?

Nah, I still like ladies.

I can.
Awesome.

Thats right. Dont let boys play with dolls, teach them from a young age that mommy is supposed to love a daddy, not another mommy, etc.
You should write a book on this!

I'd sooo buy it.

Nah, I still like ladies.

Oh well. If you want I could make you change your mind.;)

Go ahead and make yourself gay. Try to be attracted to someone of the same sex. Get a friend to help, to encourage you to be gay. You apparently think it's a choice. Go ahead and make that choice yourself. One cannot.
ok, Colin Farrell. Does that make me gay now?

ok, Colin Farrell. Does that make me gay now?

Yes. You may never return to the path of dull dress-sense and boobies.

This world is never going to change if we don't make it. And people without family support are much less likely to be able to advocate for themselves later on. It isn't far enough, but it's a million miles ahead of where we are right now.

I am not willing to wish martyrdom upon my children. I don't want to fight causes through my children. If they are to fight, let it be of their own choosing, not mine, not biology's.

Oh well. If you want I could make you change your mind.;)

But I don't want my butt to hurt! I'm just messing lol. Trust me, if I ever turn gay you'll be the first guy I call.

ok, Colin Farrell. Does that make me gay now?
No. Everyone thinks he's hot. Try harder damnit!

ok, Colin Farrell. Does that make me gay now?

Depends. Do you want to suck his dick?

Thats right. Dont let boys play with dolls, teach them from a young age that mommy is supposed to love a daddy, not another mommy, etc.

So your premise is that gay children are ONLY born to families with gay parents or parents that cross traditional gender roles? You sure about that? Because people who actually educate themselves on the subject might disagree with you.

But I don't want my butt to hurt! I'm just messing lol. Trust me, if I ever turn gay you'll be the first guy I call.

Excellent.

EDIT: whatever happened to Fass?

*stashes cookie in a dark corner*


LOL!


Didn't you put the one you took from HT that I give there too?


thats been sitting there a few weeks.....

LOL!


Didn't you put the one you took from HT that I give there too?


thats been sitting there a few weeks.....

I like the mold.

I am not willing to wish martyrdom upon my children. I don't want to fight causes through my children. If they are to fight, let it be of their own choosing, not mine, not biology's.
Well duh...clearly it isn't their own choosing, clearly it isn't my choosing. My little 'hope' has no power...I realise that...do you and the rest of you folk out there? I'm saying it's not a choice...so why would my 'hope' suddenly make it so?

No. Everyone thinks he's hot. Try harder damnit!
Anderson Cooper.

ZOMG IZ GAY!!1

Excellent.

EDIT: whatever happened to Fass?
He is most absolutely still around.

But sleeping at the moment.

Guess what?

I'm a gay. One of 'the gays'. A homosexual. The only gay in the village! Except don't live in a village, and I'm pretty sure there are other gays, but still...
but you just said your parents didnt raise you gay. Im confused

I like the mold.


.....ick...:eek:

ok, Colin Farrell. Does that make me gay now?

Johnny Depp is fucking hot, and I'd jump his bones.

Now, since you want to pick the one part of my post that you could reply to, choose this one: Make yourself fall in love with someone of the same sex as you.

but you just said your parents didnt raise you gay. Im confused
No seriously...there are other people who do this sort of thing in earnest...you don't need to fill in for them.

but you just said your parents didnt raise you gay. Im confused

OK bravo, you ALMOST had me going there.

This however is just too stupid to be anything other then trolling/puppet.

He is most absolutely still around.

But sleeping at the moment.

I never see any of his posts these days. I'll get my eyes tested.

Depends. Do you want to suck his dick?
I wouldnt say no...

Im not trying to offend anyone, Im merely pointing out ways that one could try to raise a straight child.


May I ask you this?.....


My ex and I disagree about our Daughter frequently because he's always trying to make her more "girly". She doesnt care for dresses much and she likes remote control cars, bull dozers, baseball,etc. She also likes Care Bears and Kim Possible , but for the most part, she likes "boy stuff". One example is, recently she had to get glasses. I let her pick out a case and the choices were "Bratz", "Dora the Explorer", "Cinderella", some Princess theme and Pokemon. She wanted Pokemon...but she asked me "mom, can I get this one or is it just for boys?"

Needless to say, we got the Pokemon, which I'm sure her Dad will be like ":rolleyes: "
If they had had one with a Bulldozer on it or a Baseball , I'm betting she would have chosen that.

Would you have pushed your child to get one of the girly cases? Just asking.

but you just said your parents didnt raise you gay. Im confused

Had me going for a while, there.

Frankly, I'm a little sick of the gay bashing threads lately...the 'it's okay and normal to think that gays are gross', and so forth. So here is a little flip off to that sentiment. Send your gay kids to me, fucking bigots...I'll start a little gay/transgendered foster home;)

I wouldnt say no...

Well then...you're a lil gay.

EDIT: whatever happened to Fass?

I believe he has been reincarnated as a loaf of French bread.

I never see any of his posts these days. I'll get my eyes tested.
He's under a different name. Fass was deleted.

Babies aren't born with sexuality preferences. And impending roles on a child only makes them not want to obey it. Why don't you just wish for the best for your children, and not make a gay ass fucking bulletin about bitch.

This however is just too stupid to be anything other then trolling/puppet.
Not to offend...my thought is that Soviestan is also gay, and tossing back stupid shit he's had tossed at him.

No. Everyone thinks he's hot. Try harder damnit!
oh, Johny Depp

He's under a different name. Fass was deleted.

What? No way! What has the world come to?

Not to offend...my thought is that Soviestan is also gay, and tossing back stupid shit he's had tossed at him.

it's insidious!

....maybe.

I don't think enough families deal with the issue beforehand. How silly. Everyone should seriously consider it. What if? What if your kids are gay? Transgendered? How will you react? Will you love them less? If your answer is yes, you shouldn't have kids.

Heres what you do if their gay you eat them. If transgendered you eat them. Silly sarcasim LOL

This is silly the whole thing if you have a child even if its gay you"ll still love it or at least 90% of the population will at least love them. Do you know anyone that would not love a child if they were gay no i dont so this is kind of silly.

If they love them but a little creeped out they will see in time that their is nothing wrong with it.

I believe he has been reincarnated as a loaf of French bread.
Makes me hungry every time I see him post...I start craving whipped butter...

May I ask you this?.....


My ex and I disagree about our Daughter frequently because he's always trying to make her more "girly". She doesnt care for dresses much and she likes remote control cars, bull dozers, baseball,etc. She also likes Care Bears and Kim Possible , but for the most part, she likes "boy stuff". One example is, recently she had to get glasses. I let her pick out a case and the choices were "Bratz", "Dora the Explorer", "Cinderella", some Princess theme and Pokemon. She wanted Pokemon...but she asked me "mom, can I get this one or is it just for boys?"

Needless to say, we got the Pokemon, which I'm sure her Dad will be like ":rolleyes: "
If they had had one with a Bulldozer on it or a Baseball , I'm betting she would have chosen that.

Would you have pushed your child to get one of the girly cases? Just asking.

Eh, I know it isn't for me, but I'm going to answear this anyways. If this was my child, I would basically let her choose whatever she wants. I'm not going to force my child to do something she doesn't want to do, simply because it's the social "norm". If my girl wants to be a tom boy, then whatever. As long as she's healthy, happy, and a productive member of society, she can bring home her girlfriends.

Guess what?

I'm a gay. One of 'the gays'. A homosexual. The only gay in the village! Except don't live in a village, and I'm pretty sure there are other gays, but still...
Are you one of the village people?

My dad took me to Castro street one time when we were in San Fran. Was he trying to raise me gay? :p

I suspect he was trying to lose you in the crowd.

Babies aren't born with sexuality preferences. And impending roles on a child only makes them not want to obey it. Why don't you just wish for the best for your children, and not make a gay ass fucking bulletin about bitch.
And all the parents that desperately hope their children turn out straight? I guess it's such a 'normal' sentiment that me highlighting it with this thread is just offensive, hmmmm?

And bitch? You are so not cool enough to call me bitch.

Are you one of the village people?

U....T...L....erm...a?

He's under a different name. Fass was deleted.

Why was Fass deleted?

Are you one of the village people?

The secret's out.

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I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground.
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There's no need to be unhappy.

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They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

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But you got to know this one thing!

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I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf,
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You can get yourself cleaned, you can have a good meal,
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What? No way! What has the world come to?
Apparently he has a 'gay agenda' and therefore he is unwelcome.

Because pointing out that bigotry is not in fact 'natural' but 'learned' is bad. It hurts people's feelings. They like thinking well of themselves, despite their bigotry.

Not to offend...my thought is that Soviestan is also gay, and tossing back stupid shit he's had tossed at him.
well that would be an interesting turn of events now wouldnt it?

well that would be an interesting turn of events now wouldnt it?

That an admission?

Well duh...clearly it isn't their own choosing, clearly it isn't my choosing. My little 'hope' has no power...I realise that...do you and the rest of you folk out there? I'm saying it's not a choice...so why would my 'hope' suddenly make it so?

Hope always implies that one outcome would be more satisfactory to you than the other.

I am saying that I would be more pleased if my child did not have a fight assigned to him/her from birth. I hope they get to choose their own fights.

You seem to relish the idea of raising a champion of gay rights, even though that may be a particularly difficult life for your child.

well that would be an interesting turn of events now wouldnt it?
Mildy so.

The secret's out.

oung man, there's no need to feel down.
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground.
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy.

Young man, there's a place you can go.
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough.
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

You can get yourself cleaned, you can have a good meal,
You can do whatever you feel ...

Young man, are you listening to me?
I said, young man, what do you want to be?
I said, young man, you can make real your dreams.
But you got to know this one thing!

No man does it all by himself.
I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf,
And just go there, to the y.m.c.a.
I'm sure they can help you today.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

You can get yourself cleaned, you can have a good meal,
You can do whatever you feel ...

Young man, I was once in your shoes.
I said, I was down and out with the blues.
I felt no man cared if I were alive.
I felt the whole world was so tight ...

That's when someone came up to me,
And said, young man, take a walk up the street.
There's a place there called the y.m.c.a.
They can start you back on your way.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

Y-m-c-a ... you'll find it at the y-m-c-a.

Young man, young man, there's no need to feel down.
Young man, young man, get yourself off the ground.

Y-m-c-a ... you'll find it at the y-m-c-a.

Young man, young man, there's no need to feel down.
Young man, young man, get yourself off the ground.

Y-m-c-a ... just go to the y-m-c-a.

Young man, young man, are you listening to me?
Young man, young man, what do you wanna be?
See humor.......more of you should have this in your life.

I suspect he was trying to lose you in the crowd.

Nah what happened was, that I was actually alittle scared of homosexuals and lesbians because I never been in contact with them before. I was around 13-15 years old. So he took me to Castro street to show me that they were just like everyone else.

Apparently he has a 'gay agenda' and therefore he is unwelcome.

Because pointing out that bigotry is not in fact 'natural' but 'learned' is bad. It hurts people's feelings. They like thinking well of themselves, despite their bigotry.

That sucks. A slur on the good name of Fass, or whatever he's called now.

And all the parents that desperately hope their children turn out straight? I guess it's such a 'normal' sentiment that me highlighting it with this thread is just offensive, hmmmm?

And bitch? You are so not cool enough to call me bitch.

You 'desperatly hope' your kids are gay? I could understand maybe "If my kids are gay, I'll treat them right". But as long as you'll be treating straight and gay kids equally, I don't see why you'd actually hope for a gay kid. Unless statistics are involved, and a gay kid for you means a gay kid not born to bigotted parents, in which case it would make more sense.

That sucks. A slur on the good name of Fass, or whatever he's called now.

I think he's Le Drapeaux something or other.

Nah what happened was, that I was actually alittle scared of homosexuals and lesbians because I never been in contact with them before. I was around 13-15 years old. So he took me to Castro street to show me that they were just like everyone else.

Hah! You should see the Gay Clubhouse during the world domination seminars.

Do you know anyone that would not love a child if they were gay no i dont so this is kind of silly.


Yes.

I know many people who have been tossed out of their homes, abused by their parents, beaten by siblings, and generally treated like shit because of their sexuality, or because of being transgendered. Silly? Not when it leads to depression, suicide, drug addiction, and hopelessness.

Unless statistics are involved, and a gay kid for you means a gay kid not born to bigotted parents, in which case it would make more sense.

That is, I think, her argument, except that statistically it doesn't make sense.

Eh, I know it isn't for me, but I'm going to answear this anyways. If this was my child, I would basically let her choose whatever she wants. I'm not going to force my child to do something she doesn't want to do, simply because it's the social "norm". If my girl wants to be a tom boy, then whatever. As long as she's healthy, happy, and a productive member of society, she can bring home her girlfriends.
Here's a shocker...my girls are both so girly sometimes it makes my teeth ache...:) but so what...

I think it's easier for girls to cross gender lines than it is for boys, that's for sure. Girls can wear spiderman shirts and jeans...but little Tommy can't put on the frilly pink dress...

That an admission?
Im not gay but Im not exactly straight either, so you decide.

That is, I think, her argument, except that statistically it doesn't make sense.

I know it's not exactly right, but if that's what she was thinking it would make the topic make sense.

Hah! You should see the Gay Clubhouse during the world domination seminars.

lol, Well remember that espisode of The Simpson where Homer met his first gay, John? He was afraid of him, but then he realize that John was just like him? Yea, that what happened to me and my trip to Castro Street.

Im not gay but Im not exactly straight either, so you decide.

heh, so you been yanking our chain the whole time? well done.

And I mean yanking in a very, ya know...non gay way..

Do you know anyone that would not love a child if they were gay no i dont so this is kind of silly.


Alan Keyes.

Why was Fass deleted?
I'm not entirely sure...but it was mentioned that he 'uses the mods' to push his gay agenda, or something of the sort. Because reporting bigots is tiresome I guess.

Im not gay but Im not exactly straight either, so you decide.
If your bi then your just plain greedy!

lol, Well remember that espisode of The Simpson where Homer met his first gay, John? He was afraid of him, but then he realize that John was just like him? Yea, that what happened to me and my trip to Castro Street.

Wow. A gay guy saved you with robot Santa?

Apparently he has a 'gay agenda' and therefore he is unwelcome.

Because pointing out that bigotry is not in fact 'natural' but 'learned' is bad. It hurts people's feelings. They like thinking well of themselves, despite their bigotry.
I think he got banned more for the fact that he flamed/flamebaited often. That said I did like him around and do hope he is back.

Here's a shocker...my girls are both so girly sometimes it makes my teeth ache...:) but so what...

I think it's easier for girls to cross gender lines than it is for boys, that's for sure. Girls can wear spiderman shirts and jeans...but little Tommy can't put on the frilly pink dress...

But girls still can't take their shirts off when playing sports and swimming and on the beach and stuff. *nodnod*

Wow. A gay guy saved you with robot Santa?

Actually it was a robot Jesus! Of course after he saved me we had to cruify him, then wait three days and that whole mess. I tell you it's not easy to cruify a robot.

heh, so you been yanking our chain the whole time? well done.

And I mean yanking in a very, ya know...non gay way..
lol yeah;)

Hope always implies that one outcome would be more satisfactory to you than the other.

I am saying that I would be more pleased if my child did not have a fight assigned to him/her from birth. I hope they get to choose their own fights.

You seem to relish the idea of raising a champion of gay rights, even though that may be a particularly difficult life for your child.
My kids already have it tough. They are minorities, and aboriginal, in a country that is still trying to exterminate our culture. I don't relish the idea of raising a champion of gay rights...I am certain of it. Gay or not, my kids are not likely to have the distaste for those who don't share their sexuality that so many other children are raised to have. That alone, that lack of distaste, is enough to make a 'champion' in my mind, because it means they'll treat others as humans...not denigrate them because of who they like to fuck.

Actually it was a robot Jesus! Of course after he saved me we had to cruify him, then wait three days and that whole mess. I tell you it's not easy to cruify a robot.

Wow. That must have been pretty traumatic.

The secret's out.

*YMCA snippage*

Ah, but the real question is, which Village Person are you? Are you the construction worker? The cowboy? The cop? Inquiring minds want to know!

Actually it was a robot Jesus! Of course after he saved me we had to cruify him, then wait three days and that whole mess. I tell you it's not easy to cruify a robot.

*bender walks down the hall*

Hey, when you see the robot devil, tell him I'm coming

*bender continues to walk down hall, comes to robot devil*

Hey, that guy said..

I heard him.

Ah, but the real question is, which Village Person are you? Are you the construction worker? The cowboy? The cop? Inquiring minds want to know!

For some reason, I see him as the indian.

You 'desperatly hope' your kids are gay? I could understand maybe "If my kids are gay, I'll treat them right". But as long as you'll be treating straight and gay kids equally, I don't see why you'd actually hope for a gay kid. Unless statistics are involved, and a gay kid for you means a gay kid not born to bigotted parents, in which case it would make more sense.
I mean, I'll be just as happy if they aren't, but if they are, at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents for the way they were born. And you can bet I would make sure they knew early on that there is nothing wrong with them...it's the people who can't handle their existence that need help.
Read it again. I didn't say what you think I said.

lol yeah;)

You were actually beginning to get me a lil pissed off there, nicely done.

And um...no offense intended about the sucking colin ferrral's dick thing, ok?

I think he's Le Drapeaux something or other.
NO!!! Les Drapeaux Brulants is Myrmidonisia's reincarnation. Fass is Bagueten.

For some reason, I see him as the indian.
Im thinking cop

*bender walks down the hall*

Hey, when you see the robot devil, tell him I'm coming

*bender continues to walk down hall, comes to robot devil*

Hey, that guy said..

I heard him.

lol! Ahh Bender rocks.

Ah, but the real question is, which Village Person are you? Are you the construction worker? The cowboy? The cop? Inquiring minds want to know!

I'm the construction worker. You all lose.

http://www.officialvillagepeople.com/Pictures/David-1.jpg

I know it's not exactly right, but if that's what she was thinking it would make the topic make sense.
It's what I was thinking.

I know it wouldn't zap a gay child out of a bigoted home.

But I would rather a gay child be born to me than to them, possible or not.

You were actually beginning to get me a lil pissed off there, nicely done.

And um...no offense intended about the sucking colin ferrral's dick thing, ok?
none taken :)

Read it again. I didn't say what you think I said.

Well, it looked as thoguh you'd just contrasted yourself to people who desperately hope their kids are straight. So, looking at "at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents", I'll put you down for the statistics explanation. Course, if they were straight, that's still two people who won't be 'fucked over'.

I'm the construction worker. You all lose.
ah, see I wouldnt have guessed that one.

Well, it looked as thoguh you'd just contrasted yourself to people who desperately hope their kids are straight. So, looking at "at least I'll know that there are two people out there who won't be fucked over by their parents", I'll put you down for the statistics explanation. Course, if they were straight, that's still two people who won't be 'fucked over'.
Exactly.

none taken :)

Though you gotta admit, if you did do it...that would make you a lil gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

ah, see I wouldnt have guessed that one.

Phear my tool belt.

Though you gotta admit, if you did do it...that would make you a lil gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
no definetly not, especially if its Colin Farrell

no definetly not, especially if its Colin Farrell

Colin Farrell? Ewww.

Colin Farrell? Ewww.
Ewww? What are you smokin?

Ewww? What are you smokin?

Obviously anti Colin Farrell drugs!

lol yeah;)

You know trolling is against the rules, no? I'm getting too tired to research everyone before I reply and it bugs me that you wasted my time.

17 pages in about half an hour...and the contraversy is dead...so I get ready to bid you all good night...

To all the LGBT people and the straights that support them out there....

:fluffle:

You know trolling is against the rules, no?
I wasnt trolling. I was merely arguing the other side of an issue for a time being.

edit: how was I wasting YOUR time?

You know trolling is against the rules, no? I'm getting too tired to research everyone before I reply and it bugs me that you wasted my time.
Too much coffee, Jocabia? Don't go and report everyone, now. Or those naked pictures I was thinking of sending you are going to disappear into the ether...

Obviously anti Colin Farrell drugs!
I didnt even know they made those

Colin Farrell? Ewww.

I'm with you on this one. Colin Farrell is boring. Colin Firth, on the other hand, is teh sexay. :p

You know trolling is against the rules, no? I'm getting too tired to research everyone before I reply and it bugs me that you wasted my time.

See, that's why ya gotta start small, one liners and such. If they get serious about it, then you can go on.