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I was just trying to bring some juice into it.. I think its cool talking about important threads

"No bounds of space or time do I set upon them"

Virgil had Jupiter say that in his Aeneid (basically, a bunch of refugee trojans move to Latium and will become the Romans we all know and love). The aquila doesn't stand on the Palatine hill anymore. One day the Stars and Stripes won't fly in Washington.

It's the way of the world. Sooner or later no ship will bear the Union Jack, the Tricolor will be forgotten and the red star will be a curiosity in a museum of antiquities.

Now I've finished being depressive, I have nothing against the US (though the OP's sense of Manifest Destiny is worrisome, Divine Right didn't save King Charles, it won't save you) it's just that sooner or later, you'll fail like everyone before you.

Hopefully it won't be as catastrophic as the fall of the Roman Empire but, to be honest I fear it will be worse.

Not the way it has been. Not saying the U.S has been perfect .. but if the U.S does stand, I believe it will be totally different. One World Goverment is eminent. What is going on now, especially in the mid east, is a work in progress.. for that. The world all over is going to change drastically in the future, possibly near future. I feel once it is in place there will be a world wide dictatorship. I remember years ago when someone mentioned the NWO (New World Order) they were labeled as a conspiracy theorist. Now it is basically spoken of out in the open. As with any massive change it's attached with much propaganda. This happens to be sheathed with 'positive' propaganda. It is not. But.. what is meant to be .. will be.

My 2 copper.

I have mentioned early in this thread that every empire falls. Our time has come, and soon we will feel the consequences of abusing our power. I say it happens in the next 25 yrs too.

I have mentioned early in this thread that every empire falls. Our time has come, and soon we will feel the consequences of abusing our power. I say it happens in the next 25 yrs too.

If that does happen.. it will be sad considering how quickly we rose.. and fell. We are a very young nation. Much blood has been shed.. within our walls and outside. And I feel a lot of if was uneccessary. I wish things weren't as they are and are to become.. but they are and will be. :(

Oh .. and Zilam.. I understand where you are coming from. I just feel for the average joes and those that have devoted themselves to our armed forces. I don't much care for our present bureaucracy.

If that does happen.. it will be sad considering how quickly we rose.. and fell. We are a very young nation. Much blood has been shed.. within our walls and outside. And I feel a lot of if was uneccessary. I wish things weren't as they are and are to become.. but they are and will be. :(

Yeah it will be sad. I mean I love this country, I don't want it to fall, but I honestly think it is inevitable. I mean we have stuck our penis into way too many holes, eventually we are bound to get a fatal disease, right? I think we will see a nuclear attack on US land, and the prez at the time faced with possible anarchy across the nation will declare martial law, become a dictator, and stir up a lot of crap, and we'll be invaded by someone, and its all over then. I mean, we will go to a 5th world country in no time.

If that does happen.. it will be sad considering how quickly we rose.. and fell. We are a very young nation. Much blood has been shed.. within our walls and outside. And I feel a lot of if was uneccessary. I wish things weren't as they are and are to become.. but they are and will be. :(

Yeah it will be sad. I mean I love this country, I don't want it to fall, but I honestly think it is inevitable. I mean we have stuck our penis into way too many holes, eventually we are bound to get a fatal disease, right? I think we will see a nuclear attack on US land, and the prez at the time faced with possible anarchy across the nation will declare martial law, become a dictator, and stir up a lot of crap, and we'll be invaded by someone, and its all over then. I mean, we will go to a 5th world country in no time.

Yeah it will be sad. I mean I love this country, I don't want it to fall, but I honestly think it is inevitable. I mean we have stuck our penis into way too many holes, eventually we are bound to get a fatal disease, right? I think we will see a nuclear attack on US land, and the prez at the time faced with possible anarchy across the nation will declare martial law, become a dictator, and stir up a lot of crap, and we'll be invaded by someone, and its all over then. I mean, we will go to a 5th world country in no time.

Jolt is being very slow this evening..

I don't think it will even take an invasion. I could post many links on the martial law thing.. but I won't even go there.. since most are from conspiracy theory sites. We definatly have the capability to ward off intrusion.. whether or not we do.. well that's up to our Government. But I agree something is going to happen that will change this country, this world as we know it. And we are going down with it. I love America also.. but things are a changin'.

I was going to add to my post #257 ......... darn jolt.

That I feel for the average joes in our country, just working and making a living for themselves and their families keeping this country afloat only to have their hard earned money ****** down the drain. And those that serve and have served in our military. But I do not care for this bureaucracy.

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!


HAHAHAHA...*drops to floor*

Thx Markiria :)

Yes what you peeps said may be true the U.S wont go out in a heartbeat, I think our 300million people here wont go down without a fight. Keeping our country alive is what we care about even if it became a war zone the history will never go away!!

Yes what you peeps said may be true the U.S wont go out in a heartbeat, I think our 300million people here wont go down without a fight. Keeping our country alive is what we care about even if it became a war zone the history will never go away!!

Maybe it'll be just ocean because of global warming. Or maybe it'll unite with Canada 200 years later and change its name to North American Federation?

Someone said the America= one nation under god.. I always have heard America was derived from an old indigenous word meaning "the serpent". So america=the serpent? satan=serpent...america=satan? :eek:

Someone said the America= one nation under god.. I always have heard America was derived from an old indigenous word meaning "the serpent". So america=the serpent? satan=serpent...america=satan? :eek:

:upyours:

:upyours:

I think its entirely possible.

Someone said the America= one nation under god.. I always have heard America was derived from an old indigenous word meaning "the serpent". So america=the serpent? satan=serpent...america=satan? :eek:

Erm...Amerigo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo)?

Someone said the America= one nation under god.. I always have heard America was derived from an old indigenous word meaning "the serpent". So america=the serpent? satan=serpent...america=satan? :eek:
It comes from Joseph Ameryk, who financed Columbus' journey, I think you'll find.

Well... if you're gunna be a patriotic American... at least learn how to spell properly. :p

http://www.amaruca.com/

interesting...google amaruca, and it says "you mean america?" :eek:

Hmmm...for some reason, I tend to trust Wikipedia and a hundred years of common knowledge over one unsubstantiated website.

Well... if you're gunna be a patriotic American... at least learn how to spell properly. :p
Proper spelling is for limey bastards, no?

Hmmm...for some reason, I tend to trust Wikipedia and a hundred years of common knowledge over one unsubstantiated website.

yeah, you're prolly right. I was just throwing something out there :p

Someone said the America= one nation under god.. I always have heard America was derived from an old indigenous word meaning "the serpent". So america=the serpent? satan=serpent...america=satan? :eek:


I find it weird that Obelisks are seen all over .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk
Our darn Washington Monument is just that, an Obelisk. They're all over the U.S. .. Minnesota, Vermont, Louisiana .. all over the world .. Ireland .. Argentina, Warsaw, Paris .. .. the Vatican.

*refrains from posting sites on Ba'al, Moloch and Freemasons*

HAHAHAHA...*drops to floor*
Okay, this may shock and confuse you...but I agree with you.

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/36559861/148201

Yes what you peeps said may be true the U.S wont go out in a heartbeat, I think our 300million people here wont go down without a fight. Keeping our country alive is what we care about even if it became a war zone the history will never go away!!
They will stop doing that once they saw something better!

Okay, this may shock and confuse you...but I agree with you.

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/36559861/148201

Velkommen to the dark side. http://www.coolsmilies.net/angry/devil1.gif

I find it weird that Obelisks are seen all over .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk
Our darn Washington Monument is just that, an Obelisk. They're all over the U.S. .. Minnesota, Vermont, Louisiana .. all over the world .. Ireland .. Argentina, Warsaw, Paris .. .. the Vatican.

*refrains from posting sites on Ba'al, Moloch and Freemasons*
It's all very Freudian. Phallic symbols, you know. People mark their own greatness by symbolically exaggerating the size of their penis.

No...

Either from stupid government, a world government.

Or the sun going out. ;)

wow. its been so long since that post, and they mods still havent locked it because of the necromancy?

I was up at 8:30 and a Christian said that a new European Super power will Supersede the US of A, but he didn't say the U.S. would cease to exist...

I was up at 8:30 and a Christian said that a new European Super power will Supersede the US of A, but he didn't say the U.S. would cease to exist...

MMM yeah baby, the evil EU Rapid Reaction Force will crush 'em all...MUHAHHAHA

The U.S. will probably make it until the world gets united into one democratic state (a la Star Trek?). And by the time the sun goes out, we'll have either evolved to a higher level, nuked ourselves into extinction, or moved on to better planets.

I don't think any of us have to worry about it though.

I was up at 8:30 and a Christian said that a new European Super power will Supersede the US of A, but he didn't say the U.S. would cease to exist...
Come on the European Gendarmerie Force!

The United States is the center of the Culture of Death. I say this as an American, but more so as a Catholic Christian. The United States will fall, as all cultures do; the only question is how many victims it will take with it. History tends towards more rather than less, unfortunately.

The United States of America is the greatest nation on earth...in my opinion.

I think our patriotism makes us great. We can survive...thrive...on sheer willpower.

Oh, and Colbert=The Man.

People like him only fuel the kickassery of America.

No, thank god.

The United States of America is the greatest nation on earth...in my opinion.

I think our patriotism makes us great. We can survive...thrive...on sheer willpower.

Oh, and Colbert=The Man.

People like him only fuel the kickassery of America.

I do believe at one point the Roman empire was the greatest nation on earth, and thought they were invincible. They survived, and they thrived. Then eventually it all went away.

This question is stupid, all great nations will fall at some point or another.

No, thank god.

Up yours too pal. :upyours:

Up yours too pal. :upyours:
Hubris. :rolleyes:

Nothing lasts forever.

America is too stupid to learn from the mistakes of past empires; We've already lost and are on the way to decline, and just don't know it yet.

Velkommen to the dark side. http://www.coolsmilies.net/angry/devil1.gif

I agree with you completely as well. I always find it amazing that my fellow Americans think that the USA is somehow magically special and "chosen". Personally, I wouldn't shed a tear if we disbanded the Federal government and all of the states went their own ways.

America is too stupid to learn from the mistakes of past empires; We've already lost and are on the way to decline, and just don't know it yet.

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Hmmm....

Sounds like you hate your own country...

France is thatta way =========================>
America doesn't need doomsaying n33bs.

And of course, America will fall at some time, but I doubt we will collapse on ourselves or be destroyed by another country.

Unlease there is a Nuclear holocaust, in which case every country loses, not just The United States of America.

America is too stupid to learn from the mistakes of past empires; We've already lost and are on the way to decline, and just don't know it yet.

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Hmmm....

Sounds like you hate your own country...

France is thatta way =========================>
America doesn't need doomsaying n33bs.

And of course, America will fall at some time, but I doubt we will collapse on ourselves or be destroyed by another country.

Unlease there is a Nuclear holocaust, in which case, every country loses, not just The United States of America.


*Sigh*

America's economy is spinning rapidly out of control, our army is refusing to change it's tactics and losing a war that we soon will not be able to win, the government is rife with corruption, and we're breeding hate against the nation in many areas of the world.

Just like the Romans, the Aztecs, Constantinople, and many other "Rightous" empires have done before they fell.

And I don't like France very much. I much prefer the Swiss.

*Sigh*

America's economy is spinning rapidly out of control, the government is rife with corruption, and we're breeding hate against the nation in many areas of the world.

Just like the Romans, the Aztecs, Constantinople, and many other "Rightous" empires have done before they fell.

And I don't like France very much. I much prefer the Swiss.

1. Economy-O' rly? True, there are some problems with it, but nothing is perfect. If you are alluding to our massive debt, let me shed some light. "When the national debt is put into this perspective it appears considerably less today than in past years, particularly during World War II." We dug ourselves out of WWII debt easily enough, we can do it again.

2. All Governments have corruption. You only target US corruption because you live in the US and know about it.

3. So other nations hate us? So what?

They are either:

1. Jealous
2. Think we should butt out of their business.

I actually think we should pull out of Iraq and let them destroy themselves, but hey, I'm not in charge.

And also, You mentioned all those "fallen empires".

Times have changed.

A fallen power can rise from the rubble in todays world and reclaim power.

Germany got slapped up and down in WWI and WWII and is still one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world.

So if the USA ever "falls" from power, she will rise again.

Truthiness? Maybe. But only time can tell.

1. Economy-O' rly? True, there are some problems with it, but nothing is perfect. If you are alluding to our massive debt, let me shed some light. "When the national debt is put into this perspective it appears considerably less today than in past years, particularly during World War II." We dug ourselves out of WWII debt easily enough, we can do it again.

2. All Governments have corruption. You only target US corruption because you live in the US and know about it.

3. So other nations hate us? So what?

They are either:

1. Jealous
2. Think we should butt out of their business.

I actually think we should pull out of Iraq and let them destroy themselves, but hey, I'm not in charge.

1.Exactly how are we going to get out of the massive, multi-trillion dollar debt? We're in an extremely draining and impossible-to-win war that is sucking our economy dry. The WWII debt was solved somewhat quickly becuase America was perfectly intact after the war-unlike nearly every other nation that fought it. Today is a different story.

2.Yes, every nation has corruption; The U.S. is especially special becuase we have the power to stop it. While third-world nations and dictatorships have to live under corrupt leaders, Americans can vote them out. Yet, for some reason, we haven't even begun to take any such steps, even though there is considerable eveidence that our leaders lied and mislead the nation for their own benifit.

3. So what? So what if one of the nations that despises us gets nukes and destroys a couple of our cities? Then, no doubt, the world will erupt into a third world war, that's what. We're breeding deadly enemies when we should be forging peace.

And perhaps we should try and stay out of people's buisness and stop persuing our own selfish interests.

You know as well as I that Bush won't be pulling out of Iraq anytime soon. Until we can end this war, our military and economy will keep getting weaker and weaker, making America much more vunerable to a cataclysmic attack.

Meh, why would it WANT to live forever?
OOOOOhhhhh, Whoaaaooohhhh, When love must die-ie-ie!

1.Exactly how are we going to get out of the massive, multi-trillion dollar debt? We're in an extremely draining and impossible-to-win war that is sucking our economy dry. The WWII debt was solved somewhat quickly becuase America was perfectly intact after the war-unlike nearly every other nation that fought it. Today is a different story.

2.Yes, every nation has corruption; The U.S. is especially special becuase we have the power to stop it. While third-world nations and dictatorships have to live under corrupt leaders, Americans can vote them out. Yet, for some reason, we haven't even begun to take any such steps, even though there is considerable eveidence that our leaders lied and mislead the nation for their own benifit.

3. So what? So what if one of the nations that despises us gets nukes and destroys a couple of our cities? Then, no doubt, the world will erupt into a third world war, that's what. We're breeding deadly enemies when we should be forging peace.

And perhaps we should try and stay out of people's buisness and stop persuing our own selfish interests.

You know as well as I that Bush won't be pulling out of Iraq anytime soon. Until we can end this war, our military and economy will keep getting weaker and weaker, making America much more vunerable to a cataclysmic attack.

1. America is still intact as far as I can see. And comparitively, the debt is much less then what we had to repay in WWII.

2. Every nation still has corruption. And compartively speaking, as you've already said, America's corruption is nothing compared to third-world countries. The Media likes to make us think that the big bad government is screwing us over yet again, but its really not that bad.

3. If we get nuked, GAME OVER. The country that nuked us will be decimated by our own nukes in a heartbeat. Every country that gets involved will get destroyed. Arguably, the world will be dead if America gets nuked. Therefore, its a moot point because every country will fall, not just America.

4. We are breeding enemies because we are trying to help. I agree though. Let's get the hell out of Iraq and let them implode upon themselves. I couldn't care less about that country. We should only intervene if we have hard evidence of them threatening our well being.

Oh and...

If America was so bad, we wouldn't have so many people from other countries hopping into our country (sometimes literally) if we were truly in a state of weakness.

Forever? No. A long time to come? Yes.

I have mentioned early in this thread that every empire falls. Our time has come, and soon we will feel the consequences of abusing our power. I say it happens in the next 25 yrs too.

1. The US has not been Imperialistic since the Spanish-American War.

2. Next 25 years? You're hoping for the planet to get that f*cked up?

Nopers, at least not the same as it is now. All things change or they die.

If America was so bad, we wouldn't have so many people from other countries hopping into our country (sometimes literally) if we were truly in a state of weakness.

Because you're big overpaid American companies have gone to their home countries and ruining all chance of them having a good domestic economy?

Because you're big overpaid American companies have gone to their home countries and ruining all chance of them having a good domestic economy?


We cannot just barge into whatever country we want to and set up companies...they have to consent to it.

:mp5:

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!
Sorry, I just have to point out a few incorrect assertions you have made.

1) I really have no idea what you mean when you say that when America was founded it was the only type of government system on earth. Do you mean to say that all other countries at that time were governmentless and anarchic? Perhaps you mean the first democracy? Perhaps you have failed to notice that there were other democracies before america and even at the time of the revolution. Or do you claim that Britain is not democratic and is ruled by a monarch who claims divine right? Perhaps if you claim that the american system was more democratic then you should examine what type of democracy was offered to Americans as opposed to Britain. Both systems still very much functioned around a landed gentry. Indeed the electoral college system is still biased towards the more expansive and less populated states.

2) You say that America defeated the largest empire on earth. Britain only emerged as the strongest European power after the Napoleanic wars, which were a couple of decades after the American revolution. Before, France had been the strongest power in Europe - ever since the reign of Louis XIV.

I'm not even going to start to comment on your over simplified version of relations between the USA and communist and socialist states.

But from my perspective Christian America is dying. It almost died once under George Bush Senior and I believe that Bush Junior is inadvertently hammering the nails in its coffin.

You believe there will be a resurgence in American morals and power? Perhaps. But still such a resurgence will not out pace the emerging powers of China and India. America is too sparsely populated and overdeveloped. America's power will wane, just as every Nation of God before it has.

That's my rant over.

Leaving aside your silly superstitions and simplistic views...

I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on!

Are you really that ignorant? There were other republics at the time. San Marino, for one, had already been a republic for over a thousand years.

1. Economy-O' rly? True, there are some problems with it, but nothing is perfect. If you are alluding to our massive debt, let me shed some light. "When the national debt is put into this perspective it appears considerably less today than in past years, particularly during World War II." We dug ourselves out of WWII debt easily enough, we can do it again.
You got out of that debt due to lend lease, and taking absolutely enormous amounts of the British and French gold stocks as payment, and also selling grain to the USSR.

In this war, however, you're importing weapons and such yourself, rather than selling weapons for 4 years and then swooping in to claim some glory at the end of it all.

This is going to be Vietnam-style spending, rather than a World War II style economy.
2. All Governments have corruption. You only target US corruption because you live in the US and know about it.
No, the US has corruption on a vast scale, and whoever gets voted in continues the whole bloody thing for years on end.

In other governments, they either try to make amends, or the people can't do a bloody thing about it, so it's just a fact of life.
3. So other nations hate us? So what?

They are either:

1. Jealous
2. Think we should butt out of their business.
Or indeed :

3. Bloody tired of US imperialism trying to mask itself as "spreading freedom" / sick of the US interfering where it's not needed and letting other things go completely (see Rwanda / Darfur etc.) / taking the moral high ground despite doing some utterly dispicable things in the last couple of years / abusing the tragedy that is September 11th to gain political support for illegal wars.
I actually think we should pull out of Iraq and let them destroy themselves, but hey, I'm not in charge.
Callous and foolish, eh?

Why not do something much better, like giving the people there one absolutely massive aid package and a half, putting Saddam back in control if they want him, and generally being very apologetic?

*SNIP*

You are soooo funny. :D

Why do americans suffer from ethnocenterism so much, they are not blessed by god(who says it is, has someone spoken to him lately) they will not last forever,(nothing does).

Like every other major power the USA will be overtaken. My opinion is it will probably be either China or India

Hehe, this is like the third time this thread rises from the dead...

No nation lasts for ever. Duh. :rolleyes:

In fact, in the long run, nothing lasts forever. Eventually, the sun will go nova and the Earth will die. Many many years after that, and the universe will die.

And then? Well... Finis.

No...

Then, star systems around the universe will slowly do the same... There is some thread about a googol years 'round her' somewhere... Technically, it is supported by physics, so it must have truth in it.

why does this thread always end up coming back from the dead?

why does this thread always end up coming back from the dead?
It's blessed by god? :D

hope not

Why, Babelistan?

I disagree... no nation is blessed by God.

And America isn't good. It's neutral. All nations are.

I must agree. There are large, powerful nations and small weak ones.
Some are rich, some are poor.

But please - "blessed by god", this is nonsense. America did much good in the last sixty years (Like rebuilding Europe), and they did bad things (Vietnam, Pinochet, etc...)

And sometimes they did the wrong things for the right reasons, sometimes they did the right things for wrong reasons.

You can't call the USA good or bad. You can't call any nation good or bad.

Will this god damned (ironic I know) christian rhetoric ever stop?

Ok, who's the little gravedigger here? Own up

I dont think its truly possible for any nation to last 'forever'. But, like has been said in this thread, i think the USA will last for a very very long time.

I think there are a lot of things wrong with America and i disagree strongly with many of the policies and general opinions i hear about in my part of the world but i wouldnt call myself an America Hater.

And just for the record i think that the respective government systems in my home country of New Zealand and my adopted country of Australia are both better than that of the United States. I would much rather live here.... It would help even more if Prime Minister Howard didnt want to fellate the President's Bush.

The problem with posts like this is that they cause hate. It's slow obviously biased, that people will point out all the flaws and will then be labeled "american bashers/haters".

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom.

Except for its history with most Latin American countries & arab regimes.

America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact.

When exactly has the US helped a nation simply because it needed help. Yes they have help, alot infact, but its been self-interest.

America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes!

Most important nations have at some point in time.

But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt.

Mexico??? I hear its still has a long way to go, and it was "slamed" long ago..
Japan? Self interest was'nt it though.

I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on.

The british system was also unique. Same for switzerland, iceland and many more.

Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers.

What about vietnam? They were farmers. AND there was a huge technology gap aswell.

Why, Babelistan?

because it is the main force for unrest in the world, especially now, and beacuse of all the daily atrocities made by the government in the name of "freedom"

America will last just as long as everybody else. Nukes or global warming will be everybody's demise.

All the "jesus praise america" voodoo you're blathering aside:


As long as we can keep the internet-secessionists at bay, we standa pretty good chance of sticking around for a pretty long time.

Will we always have the same prominance and standard of living? probably not.

Agreed - with which to add: I think that eventually the country will experience a very Deus Ex Machina-type series of events.

America will last just as long as everybody else. Nukes or global warming will be everybody's demise.

hope so. off topic: like B5 dragontide? :) I do too.

hope so. off topic: like B5 dragontide? :) I do too.

Best show ever!

Actually I hope Im wrong. Would much prefer a black hole destroy us than runnig out of air or having a cartoon Like Kim Jong Il getting the last laugh. :sniper:

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

Hey, you forgot to praise Americans for their great modesty and their understatement.

Oh, and by the way Switzerland and San Marino were republics 5 centuries before George Washington started sucking milk.

Added: Also America has got a great education system - as can be seen in these forums.

No country lives forever. We'll eventually have a change of government, just a matter of time.

America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom.Which is why the US funds Peruvian fighter jets to shoot down civilian aircraft as a part of its "war on drugs"? The world only got wind of that when they shot down some American missionaries in 2001.
Or why they go out of their way to avoid becoming under the jurisdiction of the World Court?
Or why they keep trying so hard to deny the existance of state terror when arguing over an international definition of terrorism?

I could keep going if you want?

America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact.Actually, this is not a fact. When Australia went to perform a humanitarian intervention in East Timor, the US's response to Australia's request for troops was "Sorry, not our business", and ignored said request.

But when those mistakes were made they fixed them.Like they fixed Saddam? It only took them... 22 years?
Or like they undermined any progressive Middle Eastern political groups, in favour of radical Islamic groups (whom they made plenty of promises to that they didn't keep) during the Cold War to keep the Soviets out? 9/11 was a good example of how well the US fixed that one.

Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers.Only because (a) it wasn't economically viable to the Brits to try and rule a land that was filled with people who didn't want them there, and (b) you had military support from France.

One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky.The attempted Fascist coup of 1934 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler#Military_retirement.2C_speaking_career.2C_and_the_Business_Plot) proved that one quite well.

The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment.This would be why President GWB has had so many of his decisions taken to the Supreme Court? Because he follows the rule of government?

The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together.I think the world's waited for a bit under 250 years now hasn't it? And I think the verdict is pretty clear that the US has been sliding downhill, not improving - which is exactly what Benjamin Franklin predicted at the Constitutional Covention, June 28, 1787:
In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.

what Benjamin Franklin predicted at the Constitutional Covention, June 28, 1787:
In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.

The more I hear about Benjanin Franklin, the more I like him, although I'm Economic Left/Right: -9.25, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 on the political compass.

Ah, the good old times, when French used to behead kings.

Mr Franklin had a good head on his shoulders.

Ideas have moved on since his time (social liberalism, as opposed to classical liberalism, kicked in a hundred or so years later didn't it?), but he had some good foresight.

The US will last a long time...longer than it will take for the ones so critical of her in here to transfer their bias,arrogance and ignorance on to their offspring, if they are in fact, capable of reproduction.

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. God, unfortunately, has his own views. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you,

Provided you aren't trying to become socialist.

According to history that is a fact. Look it up. In your guy. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt.

Okay... point. Well, with Japan at least. Mexico as I recall, we just kind of took their land...

I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. I'm not really sure what you meant to say there, because you seem to have contradicted yourself. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers.

We beat Mongolia?!?!?!

That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt.

You want a s there. Capitalizt is the type of government described in Jennifer Government, which we are not.

All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. *points at people who dislike America in Britain, France, Germany, Scandinavia, etc.* The America hatters

I feel that's beneath me.

have the ideas on person or group rules all. *points at most of previously mentioned countries* While America's idea is all rule the goverment. Especially the whites. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. *points at Britain, which is still technically a monotheistic state I believe* Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. Wait, what? The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. So, America doesn't have it's act together? But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

You know there's a reason hunches aren't considered scientific evidence.

America=One nation under god!

SoCaS!

Your wish is well and truly my command.

First off, it's "I can't wait to hear the anti-American folks".

And secondly, how is America any more blessed than any other nation?

It's a nation founded upon genocide and slavery, that for some reason thinks it's exempt from the rest of the world's rules, whilst trying to "spread democracy" and ignore the the fact that Bush stole the election in 2000 and debatably in 2004.

It's also the most warmongering nation on the planet, and supports all of the wrong people in places around the world.

Also, the death penalty is stupid, and I hate your horribly xenophobic culture that puts the US first over everyone else.

Ah - and one thing that's always been in the back of my mind - why do you find "Allah Akhbar" offensive, whilst thinking that "God Bless America" is OK?

You believe in the 9-11 conspiracies. Therefore, anything you say is null and void because you can't understand logic.

Your wish is well and truly my command.

First off, it's "I can't wait to hear the anti-American folks".

And secondly, how is America any more blessed than any other nation?

It's a nation founded upon genocide and slavery, that for some reason thinks it's exempt from the rest of the world's rules, whilst trying to "spread democracy" and ignore the the fact that Bush stole the election in 2000 and debatably in 2004.

It's also the most warmongering nation on the planet, and supports all of the wrong people in places around the world.

Also, the death penalty is stupid, and I hate your horribly xenophobic culture that puts the US first over everyone else.

Ah - and one thing that's always been in the back of my mind - why do you find "Allah Akhbar" offensive, whilst thinking that "God Bless America" is OK?

You obviously have some self-hate problems. Why take it out on America and it's people? Is "God Bless America" that bad? It's okay, I understand, you are confused and blinded by hate. It quite possibly could be...not that you'd admit it...filled with jealousy and envy of why America is a great nation. It's simply because we care of others. Yes, our government can do some pretty stupid things but overall it doesn't come near to the good that we as a nation do unto others. I won't hold that against you. Oh and "God Bless America".

John Wayne sums it up best............

AMERICA, WHY I LOVE HER

Narrated by John Wayne

You ask me Why I Love Her?
Well, give me time and I'll explain.
Have you seen a Kansas sunset
Or an Arizona rain?
Have you drifted on a bayou
Down Louisiana way?
Have you watched a cold fog drifting
Over San Francisco Bay?
Have you heard a bobwhite calling
In the Carolina pines
Or heard the bellow of a diesel
At the Appalachia mines?
Does the call of Niagara thrill you
When you hear her waters roar?
Do you look with awe and wonder
At her Massachusetts shore,
Where men who braved a hard new world
First stepped on Plymouth's rock?
And do you think of them when you stroll
Along a New York City dock?
Have you seen a snowflake drifting
In the Rockies, way up high?
Have you seen the sun come blazing down
From a bright Nevada sky?
Do you hail to the Columbia
As she rushes to the sea,
Or bow your head at Gettysburg
At our struggle to be free?
Have you seen the mighty Tetons?
Have you watched an eagle soar?
Have you seen the Mississippi
Roll along Missouri's shore?
Have you felt a chill at Michigan
When on a winter's day
Her waters rage along the shore
In thunderous display?
Does the word "Aloha" make you warm?
Do you stare in disbelief
When you see the surf
Come roaring in at Waimea Reef?
From Alaska's cold to the Everglades,
From the Rio Grande to Maine,
My heart cries out, my pulse runs fast
At the might of her domain.
You ask me Why I Love Her?
I've a million reasons why:
My Beautiful America,
Beneath God's wide, wide sky.

You obviously have some self-hate problems. Why take it out on America and it's people? Is "God Bless America" that bad? It's okay, I understand, you are confused and blinded by hate. It quite possibly could be...not that you'd admit it...filled with jealousy and envy of why America is a great nation. It's simply because we care of others. Yes, our government can do some pretty stupid things but overall it doesn't come near to the good that we as a nation do unto others. I won't hold that against you. Oh and "God Bless America".

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Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

Good lord, I have had a bad day, but that makes me feel infinately better. It would be the old maxim that "somebody's always worse off" is indeed true.

You obviously have some self-hate problems. Why take it out on America and it's people? Is "God Bless America" that bad? It's okay, I understand, you are confused and blinded by hate. It quite possibly could be...not that you'd admit it...filled with jealousy and envy of why America is a great nation. It's simply because we care of others. Yes, our government can do some pretty stupid things but overall it doesn't come near to the good that we as a nation do unto others. I won't hold that against you. Oh and "God Bless America".

Oh Yeah- I had wanted to say that too: God Bless America !

John Wayne sums it up best............

AMERICA, WHY I LOVE HER

Narrated by John Wayne

You ask me Why I Love Her?
Well, give me time and I'll explain.
Have you seen a Kansas sunset
Or an Arizona rain?
Have you drifted on a bayou
Down Louisiana way?
Have you watched a cold fog drifting
Over San Francisco Bay?
Have you heard a bobwhite calling
In the Carolina pines
Or heard the bellow of a diesel
At the Appalachia mines?
Does the call of Niagara thrill you
When you hear her waters roar?
Do you look with awe and wonder
At her Massachusetts shore,
Where men who braved a hard new world
First stepped on Plymouth's rock?
And do you think of them when you stroll
Along a New York City dock?
Have you seen a snowflake drifting
In the Rockies, way up high?
Have you seen the sun come blazing down
From a bright Nevada sky?
Do you hail to the Columbia
As she rushes to the sea,
Or bow your head at Gettysburg
At our struggle to be free?
Have you seen the mighty Tetons?
Have you watched an eagle soar?
Have you seen the Mississippi
Roll along Missouri's shore?
Have you felt a chill at Michigan
When on a winter's day
Her waters rage along the shore
In thunderous display?
Does the word "Aloha" make you warm?
Do you stare in disbelief
When you see the surf
Come roaring in at Waimea Reef?
From Alaska's cold to the Everglades,
From the Rio Grande to Maine,
My heart cries out, my pulse runs fast
At the might of her domain.
You ask me Why I Love Her?
I've a million reasons why:
My Beautiful America,
Beneath God's wide, wide sky.

This is fantastic. :D

America will not remain a superpower forever but I do believe that it will not disappear for a very long time.

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Call me what you will but remember this.......I'm just calling it as I see it.

God Bless America

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!



Wow, arrogance just a little bit? No nation lasts forever. All eventually fall. ALL of them. And from the looks of it America has already begun that fall, first and forefost with destruction the very freedoms you are ranting about in the past weeks. And no, America doesnt always help its enemies, We slaughtered the Indians and them forced them to "americanize" and forced them on reservations. I am an American and find what you said offensive about America. You are the reason why people hate us. You are more "un-american" than anyone, by going around slinging this spoonfed shit everywhere, you know nothing about history. This Ignorant, Arrogant, Nationalist, and Racist shit you just splattered gets us even deeper into the shit.



"All empires continue to grow and expand until someone like me comes along and stops them"- Atilla the Hun.

Will The United States Live Forever?

Hopefully not in it's present form.

I have a dream that one day children from the East Coast and the West Coast will play together in a New Nation born of people who were not Stupid Enough to Vote For Bush. The Red States in between can rot. You're all just a tax drain on California and New York anyway. You know why that is? It's because you are stupid. California and New York and a few other states are the ones responsible for the Economic Prosperity of the USA because we're better educated and, well, just better people than most of you in the Red States. It's true! ;) If you're from a Red State and you didn't Vot For Bush you can move here, but you will have to take a test to see if you think saddam sent his weapons to Syria first.

This is a must read for you all.....It's pretty long though.....Very good stuff, indeed......
http://www.ourcrowdedplanet.org/america.htm

Okay, I understand that you may not feel the need nor have the time to read the entire page but if you scroll down about half way, you'll see some very interesting facts.

God Bless America

Your wish is well and truly my command.

First off, it's "I can't wait to hear the anti-American folks".

And secondly, how is America any more blessed than any other nation?

It's a nation founded upon genocide and slavery, that for some reason thinks it's exempt from the rest of the world's rules, whilst trying to "spread democracy" and ignore the the fact that Bush stole the election in 2000 and debatably in 2004.

It's also the most warmongering nation on the planet, and supports all of the wrong people in places around the world.

Also, the death penalty is stupid, and I hate your horribly xenophobic culture that puts the US first over everyone else.

Ah - and one thing that's always been in the back of my mind - why do you find "Allah Akhbar" offensive, whilst thinking that "God Bless America" is OK?

1) You're right
2) It's not.
3) It's not exempt from the rest of the world's rules, but no one has stepped up to challenge our military. Like the government of England and possibly every nation in the world isn't corrupt.
4) So was England in its glory days.
5) Who are you to question other people's cultures? You may say the US does it but then why do you? And don't you like to put the UK on the top of your favorite nations list?
6) Who says I find Allah Akbar offensive?

John Wayne sums it up best............

AMERICA, WHY I LOVE HER

Narrated by John Wayne

You ask me Why I Love Her?
Well, give me time and I'll explain.
Have you seen a Kansas sunset
Or an Arizona rain?
Have you drifted on a bayou
Down Louisiana way?
Have you watched a cold fog drifting
Over San Francisco Bay?
Have you heard a bobwhite calling
In the Carolina pines
Or heard the bellow of a diesel
At the Appalachia mines?
Does the call of Niagara thrill you
When you hear her waters roar?
Do you look with awe and wonder
At her Massachusetts shore,
Where men who braved a hard new world
First stepped on Plymouth's rock?
And do you think of them when you stroll
Along a New York City dock?
Have you seen a snowflake drifting
In the Rockies, way up high?
Have you seen the sun come blazing down
From a bright Nevada sky?
Do you hail to the Columbia
As she rushes to the sea,
Or bow your head at Gettysburg
At our struggle to be free?
Have you seen the mighty Tetons?
Have you watched an eagle soar?
Have you seen the Mississippi
Roll along Missouri's shore?
Have you felt a chill at Michigan
When on a winter's day
Her waters rage along the shore
In thunderous display?
Does the word "Aloha" make you warm?
Do you stare in disbelief
When you see the surf
Come roaring in at Waimea Reef?
From Alaska's cold to the Everglades,
From the Rio Grande to Maine,
My heart cries out, my pulse runs fast
At the might of her domain.
You ask me Why I Love Her?
I've a million reasons why:
My Beautiful America,
Beneath God's wide, wide sky.
Get off the stage!!!

It's blessed by god? :D

there is no god.

american dumb ass started this thread.
how could the most hated country be the best?

american dumb ass started this thread.
how could the most hated country be the best?

It is not the best. and it will not live forever either. all the other former superpowers, cuch as the UK, or the Roman Empire had at one pint ceased to be superpowers, or even on the map.

This is a must read for you all.....It's pretty long though.....Very good stuff, indeed......
http://www.ourcrowdedplanet.org/america.htm

Okay, I understand that you may not feel the need nor have the time to read the entire page but if you scroll down about half way, you'll see some very interesting facts.

God Bless America

you wrote that yourself, didn't you?

Here are some questions, have fun answering. Also, for those that missed a very good link, here it is again....... http://www.ourcrowdedplanet.org/america.htm

Name another world power that has wielded its might more judiciously?
Name another nation that was able and willing to oppose the Cold War (Soviet Union) threats to the Free World?
Where does Germany get off questioning US intentions in Iraq, insinuating that we are more of a threat to world peace? Where does Russia get off? China ? Iran? Americans consider the mere suggestion to be an unequalled insult. Shame on these world leaders who slander America for their own political purposes.
If not the US, then just who is willing to step up to the plate on tough international issues? History has demonstrated that few world leaders have the moral backbone and moral high-ground necessary to the job.
Is the US arrogant or justifiably proud? Where does jealousy enter the critic’s picture? How well would our critics do in front of a mirror?

you wrote that yourself, didn't you?

No I didn't, however, I do feel that the entire world needs to read it, if not thoroughly, atleast skim it.

Half way down, you will see some pretty interesting facts...

God Bless America

american dumb ass started this thread.
how could the most hated country be the best?

Actually, the strongest countries have ALWAYS been the most hated. Usually for good reason, but the USA isn't the only major power to become arrogant. Every important power throughout history abused their power. Every important power throughout history eventually lost its position too, and I'm afraid the USA will too.

Get off the stage!!!

Actually, I am not on the stage....I will not take credit for that.

All credit goes to John Wayne and he damn well has earned the respect to be on the stage.

Actually, the strongest countries have ALWAYS been the most hated. Usually for good reason, but the USA isn't the only major power to become arrogant. Every important power throughout history abused their power. Every important power throughout history eventually lost its position too, and I'm afraid the USA will too.

Yeah, but the difference between the USA and all those other countries is that the USA didn't claim and colonize the land such as France, Germany, Great Britain, and so on.

3. Arabs arent afraid to die, that makes them easy killing in a fight. A wise man once said, "When a man is willing to die for his cause, he is easily swepted aside and forgotten."

1,979 years ago, in a Roman province in Western Asia, a man died for a cause. His name was Yeshua ben Yosef, which is translated as "Jesus, son of Joseph". Yeah.

no,why woud they?

american dumb ass started this thread.
how could the most hated country be the best?

It's not that we are the most hated....it's simply that the world is filled with envy and jealousy.....and that, they should.

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god.

Not gonna touch this...


I feel that god wants America to survive.

This claim has been made by many nations, and many of those nations came to an eventual end(Or dramatic change throughout history). I don't think God really cares whether or not a particular nation fails or not.


America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact.

And in the past, America has shown a great support for suppressing Justice and Freedom(Not just recent, but throughout). Also, historically, America is not the nation of "ask for help, you get it". Often times, we don't do things that don't have our own personal gains in mind, or do not offer support until we ourselves are directly affected. WWI, WWII, hell even the "War on Terrorism" were not started until we were infact affected by it. And all of these particular examples, we stayed out of it long after these events took place. We(as in the Government and generally the people) does not offer up help, and often refuses to help when asked. We are a Nation that prefers to remain removed the world and it's events, historically speaking.

Also, America has done some things which many may find morally irreprehensible, such as support for terrorist like activities in Central America in the 1980's, numerous suspension of civil liberties and rights, genocidal activities when in war, and in some cases even concentration camps. We aren't the happy-go-lucky Rainbow Freedom land that many believe we are.


America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes!

Yep. Many of those "mistakes" were not mistakes, and merely just those with the power used it to their own personal gains, not really caring of the overall impact of their actions(however most were mistakes I admit).


But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt.

The ONLY reason why we did this was because we felt it would help us, not because it would necessarily help them. And also we made damn well sure that Japan would not be a problem in the future.


I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on.

Well, to tell you the truth, the writers of the Constitution wrote it with their own personal gains in mind. And in actuality the originally wording is terribly undemocratic. So, meh. It was unique in that it was a Republic and secular, but not so much as the way it was intended to work.


Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong.

I assume you are talking about the Revolution? Then I assume you have no intimate knowledge of the war by this statement. For instance, the British officers were incompetent baffoons, caring more about protecting thier wine than important supply lines. Many of the high ranking officers had never even been in a war.

Second, the colonies had several advantages. First off, home-field advantage. They were able to muster up a bit more support than the Brits(With only 1/3 of the colonial population being Tories), they knew the terrain better, and the single greatest factor being the Atlantic Ocean, meaning that for supplies and information to reach the Americas, it would take weeks.

Also, the way the war was fought was another huge factor. The Brits favored the volley line, which is only really useful if you have more men than the other(or if you are a master tactician, which the British officers most definately were not, other than Cornwallis and a few others). The Revolutionaries, on the other hand, used "guerilla" tactics, hit and run attacks, and harrassing marching armies(another idiotic move by the Brits-having huge armies much through the colonies closely bunched together makes easy targets). Rarely did the Revolutionaries ever engage in open battle, especially in the beginning stages of the war.

Lastly, one must never forget the French. Without French support, we may never have won. The Brits, although sorely bruised, would never have surrendered had the French not allied with us. The French broke the will of the Brits to continue the war for much longer, as evidenced by the Brits immediately trying to come to a truce, offering "Home Rule"(if you don't know what this is, you need to go get a history book ASAP) to the Revolutionaries to stop the war. They, of course, refused.

And many, many more reasons, none of them having to do with "God". Also, when you say "farmers" it makes me think you perceive them to be pitchfork carriers beating back frightened, and outnumbered, British Redcoats. However, this was not the case for much of the war, as Washington was continually forced to retreat, never gaining much foothold anywhere in the South. This, by no means, was a "peasants revolt" like your statement seems to imply.


Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt.

Well, actually, they hate us because we pose an immediate threat to what they are trying to do. Also, our past hasn't exactly been "communist friendly"(in that we are forcefed the idea of hating Communists, both by the Government and by our elders), and that leads to increased paranoia. It has worked THUS FAR, however the future is unkown. Our nation has existed for a very short time, and there is no indication that we will succeed or not in the future. Look at Rome, the greatest Empire in the west, lasted MUCH longer than we have, was far more powerful(relatively speaking) than we are now, and was thought never to end. Of course, it did, and fell hard. The higher you are, the further you fall. Remember that.



All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment.

Hardly. We are ruled by the few in a rather mockery of democracy(quite a bit better than when it was incepted though), where those who we elect can do anything they want. The masses are ignorant of much, my friend. More people know who's dating Angelina Jolie(Why the hell do people give a damn about this?) than those that know who even ONE of their state's congressman


I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes.

Actually, I think god would be pissed if the Government worked by the Bible. Removes all personal choice from things-it removes people from accepting and loving God, and being forced to accept him. But that's just me.


Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........

We have never been a nation of any two of those at one time. And we have never, and I repeat NEVER, been a nation strongly devoted to morality. We love our isolation, so we don't have to deal with being moral.


Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

Drugs are used by a small fraction of the populace. And even so, drugs have been used in the entirety of human history. Did you know that people in the time the Bible was written used opium and other drugs for religious experiences? Some still do.

Big government is a touchy issue-we need it to remain a solid and strong nation, but we must limit it to ensure the rights of the people. So far, a happy median has not been found.

Our country will not fall by the action of other nations. We have secured a place of great strength and stability. Only by the actions of the government, and the innactivity or will of the people will our nation fall.


America=One nation under god!

A line created by the Knights of Columbus in the 1950's to combat the "Godless Commies". Added to the Pledge in about 1952(I think), 60 years after it was written and without the original writer's consent.

And because I feel like this has probably been brought up:


There is no mention of God in the Constitution, anywhere.


I'm sure someone has brought this up somewhere in the life of the thread.

It's not that we are the most hated....it's simply that the world is filled with envy and jealousy.....and that, they should.
Whatever...

I live in the UK. It is more pleasant than the US. I have been to the US and your food is crap, your cars are crap, and your system of government is crap.

As for my favourity country - that's probably Sweden.

I think the world's waited for a bit under 250 years now hasn't it? And I think the verdict is pretty clear that the US has been sliding downhill, not improving -

And exactly what are we attempting to prove? Many people have claimed many things, but in the end the US is not simply a subject experiment perfomed by every nation in the world. We have no need to prove to Mexico that we are tolerant, to prove to Europe that we are civilized, to prove to the Middle East that we are devout, etc. We are simply a Nation who simply exists and strives to continue doing so. We are currently very powerful, and we are late in that list.


and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.

Such is a threat to any nation, as he says. It is people who fall, and many people in the first world are falling far faster than the US.

Countries cannot live. People in them can, but the countries themselves, no.
Will America exist forever? Probably not. Did the Roman Empire? Do the Vikings still exist as raiders? are there still Samurai roaming the countryside in Imperial Japan?

Things change. That's pretty much the only constant.
AS AN AMERICAN, I get tired hearing my countrymen beating their chests and crowing about how fabulous we are. No wonder it wears thin with other folks.

Countries cannot live. People in them can, but the countries themselves, no.
Will America exist forever? Probably not. Did the Roman Empire? Do the Vikings still exist as raiders? are there still Samurai roaming the countryside in Imperial Japan?

Things change. That's pretty much the only constant.
AS AN AMERICAN, I get tired hearing my countrymen beating their chests and crowing about how fabulous we are. No wonder it wears thin with other folks.

Well, we DO have Grave_n_idle...;)

I agree tho...a nation cannot "live". It can exist. and no, it will not exist in this incarnation (The Democratic Republic of the United States of America) forever. At some point, there will likely be a large war that will bring about massive change, be it internal or external.

At the very best, the US will fade into the background as a new nation rises to prominance.

Whatever...

I live in the UK. It is more pleasant than the US. I have been to the US and your food is crap, your cars are crap, and your system of government is crap.

As for my favourity country - that's probably Sweden.

oh. and america's music is also crap. don't forget that.

oh. and america's music is also crap. don't forget that.

BTW, thanks for Basia... and oh, right. :rolleyes:

Actually, I don't think the American Civil War ever really ended. It comes back from time to time. Not with guns but it could someday go to that. During the '60s we came close. The army kept it from happening. Look today at the split in the country, it's still North-South with the plains and mountain west joining the South.

Right now the south still isn't prepared to make a move. It is gaining population and industry faster than the north. But it is still the poorest and least educated area. And the allies in the plains and mountains are losing population, at least in the farming-ranching areas. There are some growing areas but they tend to be importing people from the north and pacific. Those people could someday pull those areas to the north which would isolate the south. The south may not wish to continue that loss of power.

I don't think it will happen in my life but I can see another break coming.

oh. and america's music is also crap. don't forget that.
DJ Shadow is perfectly pleasant. But in general, yes.

Just like Greece, Rome, England, France, Egypt, and every other great empire America will eventualy collpase, and another nation will take its place. The cycle will keep moving as one nation grows another falls. Just like as the sun rises and the sun sets.

Whatever...

I live in the UK. It is more pleasant than the US. I have been to the US and your food is crap, your cars are crap, and your system of government is crap.

As for my favourity country - that's probably Sweden.
Tch. If I see you on the street, I will challenge you to a street race, and LMAO when your shitty 4-banger rustbucket falls apart before the next stoplight.

Nothing lasts forever. America is no exception. Some day there will be no America, just as all other nations will inevitably cease to exist.

This thread was obviously an elaborate joke and everyone fell for it. Either that, or some mental asylum needs to restrict it's patients internet access more rigorously.

And exactly what are we attempting to prove? Many people have claimed many things, but in the end the US is not simply a subject experiment perfomed by every nation in the world. We have no need to prove to Mexico that we are tolerant, to prove to Europe that we are civilized, to prove to the Middle East that we are devout, etc. We are simply a Nation who simply exists and strives to continue doing so. We are currently very powerful, and we are late in that list.
The author of the original post seems to think that the rest of the world needs to wait on America to pull its act together. I was merely pointing out that there's a major flaw in that assertion... the assumption that America's political standards are universally improving.

While they have improved in the areas of slavery and women's rights (note; slavery, not racial emancipation, since half the US government seems not to understand the concept of "structural inequalities"), the US has been backsliding severely since those achievements. Take a look at the recently passed "anti-torture" bill if you want one example - rather than prevent the CIA from using torture methods, now it simply stops them from being disclosed (apparently we're meant to accept that it's not happening because we're not allowed to know about it?).

You're right though - it's not about proving tolerance and civility. It's about being tolerant and civil, and that's where I'm saying the US becoming more and more lacking.

The irony is that many of the methods the US is currently taking up mirror closely those of last century's "greatest evil (http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=britt_23_2)". And I'm not pointing this out because of any hatred I hold for America, I'm pointing this out because I'm quarter-Jewish, and like the Germans, I feel a great need to make sure that such events don't occur again.

Such is a threat to any nation, as he says. It is people who fall, and many people in the first world are falling far faster than the US.Yes, it's a threat to any nation (and we're slowly watching it happen over here in Australia too) - but it's most dangerous when it's the world's only remaining superpower who's doing it.

No, no empire lives forever. It must be backed by the will of its people and by the people of the rest of the world. Frankly, when we make enemies as fast as we are now, we are accellerating our demise at an unbelievable degree. If you draw a comparison, the U.S. falls right into the scenario of Rome. Don't make me explain it, though. The last tiem I did, I launched into such detail of circumstances that the explanation lasted two hours, and I still didn't finish. Trust me, though, there is an exact parallel. We need to do something about ourselves fast, but with the government in state it's in, that doesn't look likely.

Honestly, there's only one truely effortless way for all of us to have a direct impact on the welfare of the country: vote. Don't think that by not voting you are somehow making a statement to the government, because, in fact, the only statement you are making is allowing the present administration not to change. If you don't like the way things are going, change them for yourself: vote. That's all it takes. With congress being as divided as it is in this election, every single vote makes a difference. If you want change: vote.

oh. and america's music is also crap. don't forget that.

Only if Rob Zombie moved to another country.