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Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

No! America will burn for its stupidity! And I'm not Christian. But I am American. So thank you.

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!
Prepare yourself for the coming onslaught of America-bashers. :rolleyes:

I tend to agree with much of what you've said, but America, despite its uniqueness and capacity for self-renewal, must someday pass from center stage just like all nations throughout history. The best we can hope for is that the transition will be peaceful and democratic.

What are you talking about live forever? Unless your in a small war torn nation, its unlikely to disappear anytime soon.

Every empire fell.

The US will decline.

Did Rome live forever?
Did babylon?
Did ancient egypt?
Did any other nation blessed by "god/gods" survive forever?

No nation lasts for ever. Duh. :rolleyes:

In fact, in the long run, nothing lasts forever. Eventually, the sun will go nova and the Earth will die. Many many years after that, and the universe will die.

And then? Well... Finis.

I cant wait to hear the Anit-America folks!

All the "jesus praise america" voodoo you're blathering aside:


As long as we can keep the internet-secessionists at bay, we standa pretty good chance of sticking around for a pretty long time.

Will we always have the same prominance and standard of living? probably not.

I am an American, and I would love it if this country would last forever. But, to be realistic. I don't think America in itself will always be around. Just like someone else here said, did any of the ancient great nations last forever. I do think their will be something here, maybe an off shoot of America or some other country. But sadly, nothing good last forever. And too those who think America will burn becaus eof our stupidity. Wake up idiot! It's not us, it's the bastards who snake their way into office that are doing those things that you whine about, not the people. Were all just along for the ride.

I disagree... no nation is blessed by God.

And America isn't good. It's neutral. All nations are.

I cant wait to here the Anit-America folks!
You're doomed. Would you like a cookie while you wait?

I cant wait to here the Anit-America folks!
Oh god, if you love me, you won't let anti americans see this thread!

You're doomed. Would you like a cookie while you wait?
Yes

I cant wait to here the Anit-America folks!
Your wish is well and truly my command.

First off, it's "I can't wait to hear the anti-American folks".

And secondly, how is America any more blessed than any other nation?

It's a nation founded upon genocide and slavery, that for some reason thinks it's exempt from the rest of the world's rules, whilst trying to "spread democracy" and ignore the the fact that Bush stole the election in 2000 and debatably in 2004.

It's also the most warmongering nation on the planet, and supports all of the wrong people in places around the world.

Also, the death penalty is stupid, and I hate your horribly xenophobic culture that puts the US first over everyone else.

Ah - and one thing that's always been in the back of my mind - why do you find "Allah Akhbar" offensive, whilst thinking that "God Bless America" is OK?

Yes
What kind? No Oreos, I'm afraid...too good to give to the walking-dead.

Israel is blessed by god, god said so himself. He's never mentioned USA, so he probably doesn't know it exists. I think he's too busy watching the Playboy channel.

America will live forever. It will have to go through a great purging down the road, and may not remain the top dog forever, but this nation will forever exist, it will not become a historical fact. It will forever live.

Did Rome live forever?
Did babylon?
Did ancient egypt?
Did any other nation blessed by "god/gods" survive forever?



lol, Israel

Israel is blessed by god, god said so himself. He's never mentioned USA, so he probably doesn't know it exists. I think he's too busy watching the Playboy channel.

On the contrary, God has more in store for this land than he has with Israel. It is more special to him than Canaan will ever be. But you don't think anything exists beyond the Bible, do you?

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive.
Can you ask him where my car keys are and what happened to my cat that ran away?

America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom.
What was that bit about slavery?
The treatment of the aboriginals?
Womens sufferage?
The way the Irish, Italians, Japanese, Chinese, and Polish immigrants were treated?
Japanese Internment?
McCarthism?
The Civil rights movement?

America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth.


Well that's true. The Pilgrims has a quasi-theocracy.

All the other systems were Monarchy and so on.
What about Parliment?

Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers.
Hmmm the French?

Towards the end, it was a trained army. It wasn't just farmers.


That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes.
Actaully we borrowd a few things.

Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,

Hmmm what were they using to pay for Iran/Contra?

BIG goverment,
You don't think our goverment is big?

pornography,

A multi-Billion dollar industry in the US.

sins and so on.
Never been to Vegas eh?


The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

Too bad the under god comment appeared in the 50s.....

oh god here we go.
those of you who know me know i am not an "america-basher" (typically speaking) but i figured this was a good 'un

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive.

what if there is no god?

America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom.

subjective terms and questionable motives

America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact.


what?

America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them.

mm haliburton

I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on.

no. wrong. next.


Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers.

and the french army

That tells you america is strong
the people of the colonies were 200+ years ago, yes.
these days you have a massively funded military... i'm not sure what your point is really

Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky.

what are you? 12?


I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes.
some would argue the bible has no place in government.
and a nation that cares for its own people has limited welfare and no NHS?

there are many nations that consider themselves 'blessed in gods eyes', just for the record. probably a number of them america's enemies...

Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on.

does this bit actually make sense to anyone??


The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

all great nations are surpassed by others as world economic climates change and the resources demanded by industry change. china's GDP will equal the US's in approximately 30 years IIRC, and who knows then what will happen? i don't think you can say for sure (certainly looking at the past history of nations) that america will continue in its present form 'forever' or even will prevail. i certainly don't think you can say god has anything to do with it :p

Well, England and France have survived for some 1,000+ years with a hell of a lot more challenges and changes than we've encountered; I think the US will definitely do so as well. Whether we remain the superpower, a world power, or sink in to relative obscurity is uncertain and depends entirely on the decisions we make.

I belive that America is a nation blessed by god.

Yes ... that's why it's mentioned in the Bible so often ....

Probably not forever but will go on in one way or another for a good long while. Kind of like Egypt, Persia and China have for the past 3000 - 5000 years.

No! America will burn for its stupidity! And I'm not Christian. But I am American. So thank you.

I love you.

all great nations are surpassed by others as world economic climates change and the resources demanded by industry change. china's GDP will equal the US's in approximately 30 years IIRC, and who knows then what will happen? i don't think you can say for sure (certainly looking at the past history of nations) that america will continue in its present form 'forever' or even will prevail. i certainly don't think you can say god has anything to do with it :p

China, India and the US are going to become very close; I think it's going to be a given that we will become two of the most interdependent countries in the world going in to the middle of the 21st century because our economies are totally dependent on each other.

More healthy national economies equal a healthier world economy. The US, India, and China all have a lot to offer each other.

America is not blessed by God, because that would mean that everyone in it would be blessed, and that is probably not the case.

ummm *looks stunned and thinks this must be a wind up and surely NOONE is as naive and totally xenophobic in real life?

Ummm have no idea what to say without being rude

*decided to smile and wave instead

Hello America! You look so big and powerful..good and kind...and whatever.....No greedy warmongering or sinning going on over there is there?

I love you.
I love you, too!

Your wish is well and truly my command.

First off, it's "I can't wait to hear the anti-American folks".
It's rather boorish to correct spelling. We can already see it.

And secondly, how is America any more blessed than any other nation?

It's a nation founded upon genocide and slavery,

What was that about the Highland purges and the treatment of the Irish?

Who owned the colonies?

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

Please, please, tell me this is a joke. I mean, do people honestly believe this bile?

Can you ask him where my car keys are and what happened to my cat that ran away?


What was that bit about slavery?
The treatment of the aboriginals?
Womens sufferage?
The way the Irish, Italians, Japanese, Chinese, and Polish immigrants were treated?
Japanese Internment?
McCarthism?
The Civil rights movement?



Well that's true. The Pilgrims has a quasi-theocracy.


What about Parliment?


Hmmm the French?

Towards the end, it was a trained army. It wasn't just farmers.


Actaully we borrowd a few things.


Hmmm what were they using to pay for Iran/Contra?


You don't think our goverment is big?



A multi-Billion dollar industry in the US.


Never been to Vegas eh?



Too bad the under god comment appeared in the 50s.....


Yes, you may ask God for help finding your keys and your cat. (I kid you not)

We never proclaimed perfection, and it has taken awhile for many of our proclaimed rights to recieve total recognition. Surely God will sustain self-improvment.

The Pilgrims had nothing of the kind. Puritains, however, did.

The French didn't show up until the last battle. And who's to say that God's hand wasn't in getting the French to help (which was a BIG hurdle, only divine intervention could have made them help us, the King almost said NO)

Like I said before, it's going to need a purging down the road.

I love you, too!

Hooray! Love is so awesome.

Please, please, tell me this is a joke. I mean, do people honestly believe this bile?

Only on the internet and in basements.

Please, please, tell me this is a joke. I mean, do people honestly believe this bile?

It's not bile, and YES, I honestly believe that.

It's not bile, and YES, I honestly believe that.

...

Unicron

It's not bile, and YES, I honestly believe that.

What he said. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11307396&postcount=21).

God’s Hand in the Founding of America
by Elder L. Tom Perry
of the Council of the Twelve

"I look around me and find some very definite signs of the decay that is beginning to occur. Corruption, crime, dishonesty, immorality, pollution, laziness, devotion only to special interests—these are signs that precede the fall of great civilizations. We see so much evidence of these signs before our eyes. Yet I realize the promise that has been given to us in this great land of America. I also remember the prophecies concerning our great responsibilities to preserve that which we have been blessed with by God. The Lord has promised to sustain the truth in this land.

"Our commitment to America has been testified to by many, but I will point out to you special witnesses who have indicated our responsibilities to this land.

"First from Brigham Young, second president of the Church: “Will the Constitution be destroyed? No: it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, ‘The time will come when the destiny of this nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.’ It will be so.” (Journal of Discourses, 7:15.)

"Now another witness, John Taylor, third president of the Church: “When the people shall have torn to shreds the Constitution of the United States, the elders of Israel will be found holding it up to the nations of the earth, and proclaiming liberty and equal rights to all men, and extending the hand of fellowship to the oppressed of all nations.” (The Gospel Kingdom, Deseret Book Co., 1943, p. 219.) This is part of the program.

"A final witness is from George Q. Cannon, former member of the First Presidency, who said that “the day will come when the Constitution and free government under it will be sustained and preserved by this people.” (JD, 23:104.)

"Now, I declare to you that if we are not in the beginning stages of the fulfillment of this prophecy, we are at least in the stages where we are preparing for its fulfillment.

"The Church’s Bicentennial Message-
Now at this critical stage in our nation’s history we suddenly find ourselves with a great opportunity to reverse the trend and help chart the course of this country back toward righteousness. We have printed a document that will be available throughout the Church. It contains our message to our country during this Bicentennial year. The title is “God’s Hand in the Founding of America.” As a part of this effort we commissioned seven specific paintings that have been printed as posters to tell our message to the nation. It is anticipated that this poster series will be used in every Church building in the United States during 1976; those who visit our buildings who are not of our faith will have an opportunity to hear our message through this series. I would like you to become familiar with their message. I would like you to know this so that you can declare it to others."

"The Bicentennial effort of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is communicated to America in three unique messages. First, America’s early history began more than 2,000 years ago and is contained in an ancient and sacred record called the Book of Mormon. Second, the discovery of America and the establishment of the United States was a part of God’s plan and was brought about by men who were inspired and guided by God. And finally, America’s future destiny is dependent on the righteousness and morality of her families.

"Why is it so important to know and understand America’s past? We know that history provides important lessons and warnings for today—lessons about God and his interest in the affairs of men; and warnings in the form of destructions that came to early American civilizations when they lost their reverence for family, morality, or God. Why are these messages particularly important during the Bicentennial year? Because the only true way to celebrate the Bicentennial is in the same spirit that prevailed 200 years ago, in the spirit of humility and acknowledgment of God’s control over the earth and man’s dependency on Jesus the Christ.

"Ancient America
Let me introduce you to these posters. The first one is entitled “Ancient America.” Archaeologists have confirmed the existence of a great pre-Aztec civilization on the American continent. The Book of Mormon is a record of this civilization, beginning some 600 years before Christ when a man named Lehi left Jerusalem and came by boat to the Americas. The book was preserved by these ancient people on sheets of gold. Lehi’s son Nephi was a great prophet who foresaw much of this new land’s future. He foresaw a time after Christ’s resurrection when the Son of God would appear in America.

“I saw the heavens open, and the Lamb of God descending out of heaven; and he came down and showed himself unto them.” (1 Ne. 12:6.) He foresaw an apostasy both here and in the Old World when others would have “taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious. …” (1 Ne. 13:26.)

Nephi also saw the destruction of this early American civilization and a later rediscovery of this land by an inspired explorer.

“And I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles, who was separated from the seed of my brethren by the many waters; and I beheld the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethren, who were in the promised land.” (1 Ne. 13:12.)

Finally he foresaw the restoration of the fullness of the gospel here on this land. “These last records … shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them. …” (1 Ne. 13:40.)

The Book of Mormon history concerning the children of Lehi extends back ten times farther than that which we celebrate in the Bicentennial, and 20 times farther concerning those who followed the brother of Jared, a record also contained in the Book of Mormon. We have overwhelming evidence of God’s hand in the establishment of this nation and his dealings with mankind both during times of righteousness and wickedness.

Christ in America
The second poster shows Christ in America. The greatest event recorded in the Book of Mormon was the visit of Jesus Christ to America shortly after his resurrection. The Book of Mormon thus becomes a second witness to the divinity of the Son of God. Mormons use both the Bible and the Book of Mormon, believing that they are both ancient and sacred writings, one from the Old World and one from the New World. The last part of the Book of Mormon recounts a great war that virtually destroyed ancient American civilization. In order to preserve their history, which had been recorded on plates of gold, they buried the record in the earth. The man who abridged these records prior to his people’s destruction was named Mormon—hence the name the Book Of Mormon. It was Mormon’s son, Moroni, who buried the plates. Before doing so, he made this prophecy to all who would read the book today:

“And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

“And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.” (Moro. 10:4–5.)

America Rediscovered
The third poster is entitled “America Rediscovered.” Centuries passed before the Lord guided Christopher Columbus to the New World. On several occasions Columbus gave credit to the Almighty. In writing to the Spanish leaders, he said, “Our Lord unlocked my mind, sent me upon the sea, and gave me fire for the deed. Who heard of my enterprise, called it foolish, mocked me, and laughed. But who can doubt but that the Holy Ghost inspired me?” (Jacob Wassermann, Columbus, Don Quixote of the Seas, trans. Eric Sutton, Boston: Little, Brown, and Co., 1930, p. 20.) During the voyage, after weeks of sailing with no land in sight, mutiny raised its head. Finally Columbus promised the captains of the two other ships that they would turn back if land was not sighted in 48 hours. Then he went to his cabin and in his words “prayed mightily to the Lord.” The next day, October 12, they sighted land. We know a land of liberty and religious freedom was a necessary ingredient in the plan of God. Thus, Columbus and others, particularly those seeking religious freedom, were led to the shores of America.

Men Raised Up
Now the fourth in the poster series is entitled “Men Raised Up.” The success of the Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War came about through men who were raised up by God for this special purpose. You must read the Declaration of Independence to feel its inspiration. You merely need to study history to recognize that a group of fledgling colonies defeating the world’s most powerful nation stemmed from a force greater than man. Where else in the world do we find a group of men together in one place at one time who possessed greater capacity and wisdom than the founding fathers—Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and others? But it was not to their own abilities that they gave the credit. They acknowledged Almighty God and were certain of the impossibility of their success without his help. Benjamin Franklin made an appeal for daily prayers in the Constitutional Convention. In that appeal he said, “If a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? I believe without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the building of Babel.” (Mark E. Petersen, The Great Prologue, Deseret Book Co., 1975, p. 88.)

Inspired Document
Now the fifth poster. “Inspired Documents” is its title. No constitution on earth has endured longer than ours. We seek and usually find the answers to today’s hardest legal questions within this document of yesterday. The Constitution was and is a miracle. Both Washington and Madison referred to it as such. It was an inspired document, written under the divine guidance of the Lord. James Madison, commonly called the Father of the Constitution, recognized this inspiration and gave the credit to “the guardianship and guidance of the Almighty Being whose power regulates the destiny of nations whose blessings have been so conspicuously displayed to the rising of this republic.” (Prologue, p. 95.) We believe that the Constitution was brought about by God to insure a nation where liberty could abound, where his gospel could flourish. Joseph Smith said, “The Constitution of the United States is a glorious standard; it is founded in the wisdom of God. It is a heavenly banner.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 147.) Again from Brigham Young, “[The Constitution] was dictated by the invisible operations of the Almighty.” (John A. Widtsoe, ed., Discourses of Brigham Young, Deseret Book Co., 1966, p. 359.) From our current living prophet, Spencer W. Kimball, “One of the reasons America is great today is because those men who formulated the Constitution had vision. They looked ahead to today, and all of us here are recipients of their wisdom and foresight.” Among other things, the Constitution guarantees the religious freedom that allowed the Reformation to continue and flourish. The great religious reformers began to throw off the rituals and dogmas that had been attached to Christianity during the dark ages and sought to return to the pure and simple truths of the New Testament.

Gospel Restored
Now the sixth poster, one very interesting to us, entitled the “Gospel Restored.” Many of the great reformers stated that their efforts were to assert basic Christian teachings of the Bible, but at the same time they acknowledged that they had no authority to administer the ordinances of the Church or to reestablish the original church of Jesus Christ. Luther said, “Christianity has ceased to exist among those who should have preserved it.” Roger Williams said there is “no regularly-constituted Church on earth, nor any person authorized to administer any Church ordinance.” (William Cullen Bryant, ed., Picturesque America, New York: D. Appleton and Co., 1872, 1:502.) We believe that both America’s freedom and the continuing reformation that flourished here occurred in preparation for the restoration from heaven of the full gospel of Jesus Christ. That restoration took place in the 1820s through a man named Joseph Smith. We believe that God and his son Jesus Christ appeared to the Prophet, who described his vision in these words: “I saw two personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!” (JS—H 1:17.) An important part of the Restoration was the return of the priesthood or the power of God. This was restored to Joseph by Peter, James, and John, who appeared as heavenly messengers and ordained Joseph Smith by the laying on of hands.

Another part of this Restoration was the revealing and translating of the Book of Mormon. Joseph described the visit of Moroni, who also returned as a messenger, with these words: “He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent. … He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants.” (JS—H 1:34.) We believe that through revelation to the Prophet Joseph Smith the full and complete gospel of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has been restored to the earth.

America’s Future
Now let us go to the last poster, probably the most important to us, “America’s Future.” Today we are fortunate to live in a choice and promised land. It will remain free and blessed as long as its people remember the God who gave them life and this free land. We must remember that the family is the basic unit of a strong society. We are all part of God’s family; and as our Father, he expects us to build strong family units. It is in the family that the basic morality and righteousness should be taught that will keep America free. Each member of every family plays an important role in America. For several thousand years throughout this land the great fathers and mothers, the noble sons, the patriot sons, the choice daughters have forged America into what we have today.

It is America’s conscience that has preserved her. America is beautiful only when she is good, when children are laughing in her streets, and love abounds in her families. Without this conscience, civilization crumbles, as it has before on this continent. We are all part of America’s future. Our job is to remember the lessons of the past, to patch up the mistakes and the sins of everything that has gone before. The place to start is within our own families; and as we have been counseled, “No success can compensate for failure in the home.” That’s where we want to leave these people who come and have an opportunity of hearing our message, the most important message that will be taught during America’s Bicentennial year.

America’s Greatness Is Based on Righteousness
The source of America’s greatness is not a new doctrine to us. The Book of Mormon has declared over and over again that the blessings of heaven are contingent upon the righteousness of its people. In fact, this teaching has been proven in almost every age. Remember in 1831 when the famous French historian Alexis de Tocqueville said:

“I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there; in her fertile fields and boundless prairies, and it was not there; in her rich mines and her vast world of commerce, and it was not there. Not until I went to the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” (Jerreld L. Newquist, comp., Prophets, Principles and National Survival, Salt Lake City: Publishers Press, 1967, p. 60.)

I want to again remind you of your responsibility to preserve the righteousness of America. I have reviewed 4,000 years of history, declaring this to be a land of promise, chosen of the Lord for his special purposes. Now we must deal with America’s future. The land must continue to remain strong and great and good. It is destined to be the major supplier of human and financial resources, to build the kingdom of God here in the whole world, and to prepare the world for the return of the Lord and Savior. The adversary knows all too well that a weak America will literally stop this building process and thwart the work of God.

I hope I have painted a clear picture for you to see your role in this great eternal process. The Lord is making his major investment in you. In my dealings with the Lord, I have found him to be one who expects performance. Look at the very beginning; he supplied Adam and Eve with the potential for their needs. Remember his first command to them—multiply, replenish, have dominion over, and subdue. (See Gen. 1:28.) They were not placed in the Garden of Eden merely to have a comfortable life or to enjoy the benefits of the Lord’s labor, but to accomplish, to do. He is the supplier of resources and, in turn, expects performance out of us.

John Adams understood the potential of a righteous government when he wrote:

“Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible as their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. Every member would be obligated in conscience to temperance and frugality and industry, to justice and kindness and charity toward his fellowmen, and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God. In this commonwealth no man would impair his health with gluttony, drunkenness or lust. No man would sacrifice his precious time to cards or trifling with other mean amusements. No man would steal or lie or in any way defraud his neighbor, but would live in peace and good will toward all men. No man would blaspheme his Maker or profane his worship, but a rational and manly, a sincere and unaffected devotion would reign in the hearts of all men. What a utopia, what a paradise this region would be.”

I want to issue you a challenge. I want you who are the best trained, the best educated, who have been given these great advantages here in America to literally become the conscience of America and the molders of its destiny and future. With your knowledge, your training, your understanding of how God works in the hearts of his children here on earth, let us obligate ourselves to temperance, to frugality, and to industry. Let us show justice, kindness, and charity toward our fellowmen. Let us demonstrate the love and reverence we should exhibit toward our Almighty God. Let us not trifle with the things that are holy to God.

Fifty-six men represented 2.5 million in 1776 to bring about a new nation that has literally blessed the whole world. That was one man to every 45,000. Today I’m calling on each of you to exert an influence over about 220 million people in this land. The odds are even better for you; the advantage is on your side. This is the time for you to be bold enough to stand up for what you believe, to let the world know that God still blesses this great land of America—if we will live righteously, according to that which he has commanded.

Will God bless us that we may have the courage to fulfill our responsibility here? I know by personal experience during these last two years that the heavens are still open, that he still does direct his work here. That message should ring from the hilltops of this nation during its Bicentennial. Will you have the courage to stand up with me and be counted with those who would preserve this land of the free through the righteousness of its people?

It's not bile, and YES, I honestly believe that.
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:headbang:

Your wish is well and truly my command.

First off, it's "I can't wait to hear the anti-American folks".

And secondly, how is America any more blessed than any other nation?

It's a nation founded upon genocide and slavery, that for some reason thinks it's exempt from the rest of the world's rules, whilst trying to "spread democracy" and ignore the the fact that Bush stole the election in 2000 and debatably in 2004.

It's also the most warmongering nation on the planet, and supports all of the wrong people in places around the world.

Also, the death penalty is stupid, and I hate your horribly xenophobic culture that puts the US first over everyone else.

Ah - and one thing that's always been in the back of my mind - why do you find "Allah Akhbar" offensive, whilst thinking that "God Bless America" is OK?
Yeknow, I hear those things alot, and I just want to take a moment to tell you something. I'm not bashing you with this, just saying what I think.

1. America is not blessed by god, at all. No matter how many "God bless America" We slap on our money, it never has an never will happen. Just look at Katrina.

2. We were not founded on Genocide. Yes we did slaughter the indians, and no we showed them no mercy. But, remember, all that didnt happen until we'll after we were colonizing the land. Thats when decendants of the first Pilgrims began to get hostile with them, then that decended to the straightforward massacres you heard about in books. Then the slavery thing. Again didnt happen until we'll after colonization and, did we not free them and try to make amend for what we did? Do you not think we feel bad about that?

3. It doesnt matter how much you Bash Bush, we hate him more then you ever will!

4. We are not a warmongering people. Look at all the protestors and all the Iraq war bashing going on! Bush, and many of those before him are the warmongering sons of a whore! Not the American people. We hate war, why else would we be protesting it and telling Congress to impeach him so much?

5. The support for the bad people was yet another blunder done by our leaders. Why they did it, I don't know. I'm sure they had good reasons, but in the end the mistake was theirs.

6. I am in support of the death penalty. Their are people in this world whom are too ruthless and evil to be allowed to live anomg the civilised and compassionat. As for Xenophobia, it's stupid, and I don't know whats the deal with it.

7. I don't know what "Allah Akhbar" means. But whats wrong with God bless AMerica? In this day and age it means nothing and it's pointless to bother with it. And as I said it's not doing anything.

What was that about the Highland purges and the treatment of the Irish?

Who owned the colonies?
At what point did I claim that the UK was perfect?

Nothing lasts forever, not even diamonds.

I'm hoping for a good long run, though.

China, India and the US are going to become very close; I think it's going to be a given that we will become two of the most interdependent countries in the world going in to the middle of the 21st century because our economies are totally dependent on each other.
agreed.

More healthy national economies equal a healthier world economy. The US, India, and China all have a lot to offer each other.
and agreed IF you all (generally and specifically culurally speaking) can get over the whole nationalistic and militaristic thing. it wouldn't be so great to have another half-century Cold War on our hands, would it? :-S

same goes for the chinese i think (indians, culturally, seem more outreaching... but then i am making huge generalisations here)



if the EU can get its act together and federalise, then at least we, here, won't get left behind and forgotten (contrary to what some idiot nationalists in the UK might think)

At what point did I claim that the UK was perfect?

Maybe we learned from the mother country? ;)

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

They do say "Pride comes before a fall..."

I Like to tell people from around the world that I my self is American and not everybody in America are Exstream conservative Christians, some of us are Liberal no religion in government securlerist (spelling) We can't stand thoses religious Republican exstreamist as much as u can't

God’s Hand in the Founding of America


The forum is dumber for having read that.

The "Unknown" who swayed the Signers of the Declaration of Independence



Faced with the death penalty for high treason, courageous men debated long before they picked up the quill pen to sign the parchment that declared the independence of the colonies from the mother country on July 4, 1776. For many hours they had debated in the State House at Philadelphia, with the lower chamber doors locked and a guard posted.

According to Jefferson, it was late in the afternoon before the delegates gathered their courage to the sticking point. The talk was about axes, scaffolds, and the gibbet, when suddenly a strong, bold voice sounded--"Gibbet! They may stretch our necks on all the gibbets in the land; they may turn every rock into a scaffold; every tree into a gallows; every home into a grave, and yet the words of that parchment can never die! They may pour our blood on a thousand scaffolds, and yet from every drop that dies the axe a new champion of freedom will spring into birth! The British King may blot out the stars of God from the sky, but he cannot blot out His words written on that parchment there. The works of God may perish; His words, never!

"The words of this declaration will live in the world long after our bones are dust. To the mechanic in his workshop they will speak hope: to the slave in the mines freedom: but to the coward kings, these words will speak in tones of warning they cannot choose but hear.

"Sign that parchment! Sign, if the next moment the gibbet's rope is about your neck! Sign, if the next minute this hall rings with the clash of falling axes! Sign, by all of your hopes in life or death, as men, as husbands, as fathers, brothers, sign your names to the parchment, or be accursed forever! Sign, and not only for yourselves, but for all ages, for that parchment will be the textbook of freedom, the bible of the rights of man forever.

"Nay, do not start and whisper with surprise! It is truth, your own hearts witness it: God proclaims it. Look at this strange band of exiles and outcasts, suddenly transformed into a people; a handful of men, weak in arms, but mighty in God-like faith; nay, look at your recent achievements, your Bunker Hill, you Lexington, and then tell me, if you can, that God has not given America to be free!

"It is not give to our poor human intellect to climb to the skies and to pierce the Council of the Almighty One. But methinks I stand among the awful clouds which veils the brightness of Jehovah's throne.

"Methinks I see the recording Angel come trembling up to the throne and speak his dread message. 'Father, the old world is baptized in blood. Father, look with one glance of Thine eternal eye, and behold evermore that terrible sight, man trodden beneath the oppressor's feet, nations lost in blood, murder, and superstition, walking hand in hand over the graves of the victims, and not a single voice of hope to man!'

"He stands there, the Angel, trembling with the record of human guilt, But hark! The voice of God speaks from the awful cloud: 'Let there be Light again! Tell my people, the poor and oppressed, to go out from the old world, from oppression and blood, and build my alter in the new.'

"As I live, my friends, I believe that to be his voice! Yes, were my soul trembling on the verge of eternity, were this hand freezing in death, were this voice choking in the last struggle, I would still, with the last impulse of that soul, with the last wave of that hand, with the last gasp of that voice, implore you to remember this truth--God has given America to be free!

"Yes, as I sank into the gloomy shadows of the grave, with my last faint whisper I would beg you to sign that parchment for the sake of those millions whose very breath is now hushed in intense expactation as they look up to you for the awful words: 'You are free.'"

The unknown speaker fell exhausted into his seat. The delegates, carried away by his enthusiasm, rushed forward. John Hancock scarcely had time to pen his bold signature before the quill was grasped by another. It was done.

The delegates turned to express their gratitude to the unknown speaker for his elequent words. He was not there.

Who was this strange man, who seemed to speak with a divine authority, whose solemn words gave courage to the doubters and sealed the destiny of the new nation?

His name is not recorded; none of those present knew him; or if they did they did, not one acknowledged the acquaintance.

How he had entered into the locked and guarded room is not told, nor is there any record of the manner of his departure.

(Taken from the book: The Secret Destiny of America.)

I'm hoping for a good long run, though.

I wouldn't mind sticking around a while, either. Just wish we didn't have to be so hated in the process.

The "Unknown" who swayed the Signers of the Declaration of Independence

Your fairy tales have no place in a civilised society.

The forum is dumber for having read that.
*drool, drool*
What, did I believe that drivel? No, guess not.

if the EU can get its act together and federalise, then at least we, here, won't get left behind and forgotten (contrary to what some idiot nationalists in the UK might think)

Aha, I know two people bar myself who believe in a federal European state. Yay!

Your fairy tales have no place in a civilised society.

No better than socialist fantasies...

On the contrary, God has more in store for this land than he has with Israel. It is more special to him than Canaan will ever be. But you don't think anything exists beyond the Bible, do you?
I'm an atheist, I have in the past taunted people for their faith, so... The bible is pretty damn meaningless to me, such a boring story as well. I just wanted to see the reactions.

I'm an atheist, I have in the past taunted people for their faith, so... The bible is pretty damn meaningless to me, such a boring story as well. I just wanted to see the reactions.

Well then, this whole debate is pointless to you then, isn't it?

*drool, drool*
What, did I believe that drivel? No, guess not.

Never, ever do. It would be beneath you.

No better than socialist fantasies...

Yes ... because helping the poor and downtrodden is sooooo non-Christian ....

God’s Hand in the Founding of America
by Elder L. Tom Perry
of the Council of the Twelve

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Some of this quite frankly scares the shit outta me! Anytime people start talking about "God's Kingdom on Earth" is the time most of us should start heading for the bunkers. :(

Who owned the colonies?Wasn't it private businesses because the Crown couldn't afford expeditions like the Spanish or Portuguese?

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!
blessed by god? please. Why dont you just rename the damn place the United Jesus states of Jesusland. Christ. The only way the place will survive is if the powers that be are smart with the economy and the military. Time will tell if that will happen.

Yeknow, I hear those things alot, and I just want to take a moment to tell you something. I'm not bashing you with this, just saying what I think.

1. America is not blessed by god, at all. No matter how many "God bless America" We slap on our money, it never has an never will happen. Just look at Katrina.
I know that perfectly well. But there are seemingly a lot of Americans who reckon that they're the best people on the planet in every way, shape and form.
2. We were not founded on Genocide. Yes we did slaughter the indians, and no we showed them no mercy. But, remember, all that didnt happen until we'll after we were colonizing the land. Thats when decendants of the first Pilgrims began to get hostile with them, then that decended to the straightforward massacres you heard about in books. Then the slavery thing. Again didnt happen until we'll after colonization and, did we not free them and try to make amend for what we did? Do you not think we feel bad about that?
Seeing as Native Americans are still treated like some kind of underclass, and black people are still prejudiced against, I would say that no, you have not made amends.
3. It doesnt matter how much you Bash Bush, we hate him more then you ever will!
Seemingly about 50% of voters actually like Bush.
4. We are not a warmongering people. Look at all the protestors and all the Iraq war bashing going on! Bush, and many of those before him are the warmongering sons of a whore! Not the American people. We hate war, why else would we be protesting it and telling Congress to impeach him so much?
Not a warmongering people?

Let's see... after World War 2 you've had :

The Korean War
The Second Indochina War (Vietnam)
That Really Short War With Nicauragua
Gulf War One
Soomaalia
Afghanistan (War on Terror Edition)
Gulf War Two.

And those are just wars that your troops have had an active hand in, there have been a few wars in other places which the US has done their bit in, such as Greece, Egypt, Afghanistan (Cold War Edition), Iran-Iraq and a few conflicts in Africa.

Since US troops are still reasonably doggedly supported by the US populace, I would say that it's a fairly warmongering people.

Clearly, there are people such as yourself, but for every one of you, there's a DesignatedMarksman or two out there.
5. The support for the bad people was yet another blunder done by our leaders. Why they did it, I don't know. I'm sure they had good reasons, but in the end the mistake was theirs.
What actually frustrates me the most is that now your leadership is fighting them, whilst still sticking to policies like bribing various Afganistani warlords.

Look what's happening in Soomaalia - is that not proof enough that it's a pretty stupid thing to do?
6. I am in support of the death penalty. Their are people in this world whom are too ruthless and evil to be allowed to live anomg the civilised and compassionat.
Re-education and in extreme cases, sectioning people, would be a much better solution that killing them.
As for Xenophobia, it's stupid, and I don't know whats the deal with it.
Indeed. It's rather grating.
7. I don't know what "Allah Akhbar" means. But whats wrong with God bless AMerica? In this day and age it means nothing and it's pointless to bother with it. And as I said it's not doing anything.
"Allah Akhbar" is Arabic (and Persian) for "Allah (God) is great". For some reason, a lot of US citizens take offense to it, whilst still saying "God Bless America", which is almost the same.




You seem to be an alright chap, but I'm afraid to say that you're not really like the average US citizen that I've met, or really chatted to on these forums.

Some of this quite frankly scares the shit outta me!

You and me both, bubba.

Maybe we learned from the mother country? ;)
Which one?

France and Holland were also involved in the creation of the US, although not quite to the extent of the UK.

Not scared. In the long run, I'm doomed to my fate. So whatever.

Well then, this whole debate is pointless to you then, isn't it?
Not really, since you claimed that the US is gonna live forever. I say it won't. In fact, it's in a bit of a financial problem now, isn't it? $30 trillion or something, right? Edit: No, that's wrong.

Aha, I know two people bar myself who believe in a federal European state. Yay!
It would indeed be absolutely great. But I guess that we'd all have to learn Esperanto.

It would indeed be absolutely great. But I guess that we'd all have to learn Esperanto.
Yay! Salvete!

God’s Hand in the Founding of America
by Elder L. Tom Perry
of the Council of the Twelve

"I look around me and find some very definite signs of the decay that is beginning to occur. Corruption, crime, dishonesty, immorality, pollution, laziness,

Hmmm just like everybody else. This guy live in cabin in the middle of nowhere?

devotion only to special interests

Hmmm isn't the Christians a special interest in American Goverment now?

—these are signs that precede the fall of great civilizations. We see so much evidence of these signs before our eyes. Yet I realize the promise that has been given to us in this great land of America.
Which we took from another people.

I also remember the prophecies concerning our great responsibilities to preserve that which we have been blessed with by God.

Was that from the angel Moroni.



"The Bicentennial effort of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is communicated to America in three unique messages. First, America’s early history began more than 2,000 years ago and is contained in an ancient and sacred record called the Book of Mormon.

What was that about translating the book of morman from inside a hat....

Not really, since you claimed that the US is gonna live forever. I say it won't. In fact, it's in a bit of a financial problem now, isn't it? $30 trillion or something, right?

Yes. But notwithstanding...

Since when is a monarchy not a form of government? It's just less democratic, that's all.

Since when is a monarchy not a form of government? It's just less democratic, that's all.
It is most definitely a form of gov't. Who said it wasn't?

Some of this quite frankly scares the shit outta me! Anytime people start talking about "God's Kingdom on Earth" is the time most of us should start heading for the bunkers. :(

That's what people said when Christ was present... nothing's happened yet.

Since when is a monarchy not a form of government? It's just less democratic, that's all.
It's not even less democratic if it's a constitutional monarchy.

I'd say that the UK, Holland, Denmark and the other European monarchies are equally as democratic as the US.

Yes ... because helping the poor and downtrodden is sooooo non-Christian ....

It's not the compassion part- it's the denial of agency that is anti-Christ.

Will the USA live forever? I don't see why not. England and France have been around 1,000 years, and they're still fairly important nations. Well, England is anyway. :D Will we remain the strongest nation forever? I doubt it. Great powers come and go.

Is the USA blessed by God? I don't know. He hasn't said anything to me, and I'm somewhat sceptical of those who claim to hear messages from Him. All I know is that we suffer disasters like anyone else, and the lower death toll seems to have more to do with the type of disaster and the fact that we're a first-world country than any divine intervention. We also have a long list of sins, though probably no worse than those of most European nations.

It's not the compassion part- it's the denial of agency that is anti-Christ.
I think it's time for some character assassination.

The Niaman's Character ---- :sniper:

You are an idiot. Thank you.

It's not even less democratic if it's a constitutional monarchy.

I'd say that the UK, Holland, Denmark and the other European monarchies are equally as democratic as the US.
Quite so...and our democracy isn't even the best. We have a representative democracy, not a direct one, so not everyone's view is heard.

It's not the compassion part- it's the denial of agency that is anti-Christ.

Have you sought help for your delusional behavior?

Quite so...and our democracy isn't even the best. We have a representative democracy, not a direct one, so not everyone's view is heard.
Ah yes, but places such as Italy generally have very weak coalition governments which lead to elections every year or so.

Still, I would prefer a proportionally represented government here, even if it was weak.

Have you sought help for your delusional behavior?
Apparently not. :p

Have you sought help for your delusional behavior?
I think he's gone to Waco and come back full of ideas, to be honest.

Not scared. In the long run, I'm doomed to my fate. So whatever.

I wouldn't say doomed.

Ah yes, but places such as Italy generally have very weak coalition governments which lead to elections every year or so.

Still, I would prefer a proportionally represented government here, even if it was weak.
It would be better if everyone voted and talked to their congressman... *sigh* but it won't happen

I wouldn't say doomed.
I like doomed...it's a happy word.

Forever no? No nation lasts forever.

Its current "superpower" status will be lost way before the turn of the century. I'd say in 25-50 years. The country itself will remain in some form (like any other) for hundreds of years, unless:

a) ...we form some kind of utopic global government, unifying the planet under one flag.

or

b) ...we get wiped out by some natural/ecological disaster and/or vicious alien invaders.

Every empire that has existed so far still exists in some form. The Roman Empire is just Italy now, Great Britain's still there despite having its domains considerably reduced, and Egypt remains, also with reduced territories. So, on the whole, while the US last forever? No, but it'll be there for a long time, just like the other nations.

It would be better if everyone voted and talked to their congressman... *sigh* but it won't happen
Congressman?

In the UK?

Anyway, what we really need is some kind of cash incentive for voting.

It needn't be big, maybe something like £20, but people might be more inclined to do it.

And the voting age should be reduced to sixteen - no taxation without representation!

I like doomed...it's a happy word.

It is a good word. I use it as often as possible. But your fate? Nah ... you'll be awesome. Famous, even. You're smart and very, very cute. The world will love you.

I guess that's kind of a doom ... never mind ... carry on!

"Allah Akhbar" is Arabic (and Persian) for "Allah (God) is great". For some reason, a lot of US citizens take offense to it, whilst still saying "God Bless America", which is almost the same.


I have a tounge-in-cheek explaination for that. The people yelling "Allah Akhbar" are running towards us with drawn swords. The people yelling "God bless America" are running towards them with drwan swords.

Aha, I know two people bar myself who believe in a federal European state. Yay!
woo! federalist-buddies! :fluffle: :p

It's not even less democratic if it's a constitutional monarchy.

I'd say that the UK, Holland, Denmark and the other European monarchies are equally as democratic as the US.
One might say even more so, as we have more parties... And monarchy is democratic if most of the people want it, no? (not aimed at you, Yoo)

I have a tounge-in-cheek explaination for that. The people yelling "Allah Akhbar" are running towards us with drawn swords. The people yelling "God bless America" are running towards them with drwan swords.
Indeed. Or fixed bayonets, to be a little more accurate.

I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth.

Not quite. It was the first government of it's kind, but not the first type of government system. There have been different types of governments since long before any of the Europeans or Asians even knew that the American continents existed.


All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers.

Actually, it wasn't just farmers. The French played a large part in helping us, and some local indian tribes helped the Brittish while others helped us. And many members of the colonies, not just the farmers, helped. While granted the colonies did most of the work, they alone simply wouldn't have had the strength to break away from Britain. It was the determination and hard work of the colonies combined with a boost from indians and the strength of the world's second most powerful empire backing us up. Plus I believe Spain and the Netherlands had a role to play as well, but I'm not sure what that was.


All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all.

Not quite. There's a fair share of America haters in countries like Canada, Australia, the UK, all of which seem to be very decent places. I admit I don't know all there is to know about them, but Canada at least seems to be like our twin brother or something.


Sorry, I'm not dissagreeing entirely with your post, but America did not get where it is today on it's own and there are other very good countries out there and just because they don't agree entirely with what American does doesn't make them bad. And you can't really blame the rest of the world either, considering the things they're mad at us for. I mean, who wouldn't get upset over a country that just declares war on a random country because it feels like it?
But I do agree that America does have what it takes to last forever, or at least for a very long time. I'm a bit skeptical as to wether we'll be like England and remain extremely powerful for most of our rememberable existence, but we've got a very strong country, dedicated to it's principles and to the hard work that has let those principles survive for so long. We just need to learn to be a bit friendlier in the international community and realize that it's better to have more friends than enemies in other countries, especially as our country existing in the first place is proof that even the world's largest superpower needs to be considerate.

woo! federalist-buddies! :fluffle: :p

*raises hand furtively*

I support a federal European state, I just don't think the current EU is the proper method of federalisation.

Greetings Fellow NationStates,

I hope everyone will be gentle with me - not only am I new to NationStates, but I have NEVER posted ANYTHING ANYWHERE - EVER.

I did notice someone wrote something to the effect that it was considered poor form to correct someone's spelling, so I'll just say this:

Whatever merit there may be to Markiria's ideas - and I guess I should note that I believe them to have no merit whatsoever - a written argument is fatally undermined when so rife with spelling and grammar errors.

I realize that probably makes me sound like an intellectual snob, and will render my own casual jottings susceptible to special scrutiny, but I'm just trying to make the general point that for an argument to be taken seriously it should at least APPEAR to be the product of some degree of intellectual rigor and/or proofreading.

I guess I may as well note that I am a US citizen and if God has "blessed" the United States, well, give me SATAN.

Cheers!

Greetings Fellow NationStates,

I hope everyone will be gentle with me - not only am I new to NationStates, but I have NEVER posted ANYTHING ANYWHERE - EVER.

I did notice someone wrote something to the effect that it was considered poor form to correct someone's spelling, so I'll just say this:

Whatever merit there may be to Markiria's ideas - and I guess I should note that I believe them to have no merit whatsoever - a written argument is fatally undermined when so rife with spelling and grammar errors.

I realize that probably makes me sound like an intellectual snob, and will render my own casual jottings susceptible to special scrutiny, but I'm just trying to make the general point that for an argument to be taken seriously it should at least APPEAR to be the product of some degree of intellectual rigor and/or proofreading.

I guess I may as well note that I am a US citizen and if God has "blessed" the United States, well, give me SATAN.

Cheers!There's plenty of people that are dyslexic or otherwise impaired. It by no means makes their arguments any less meritous. Having nothing worthwhile to say to begin with is what ruins arguments.

I know that perfectly well. But there are seemingly a lot of Americans who reckon that they're the best people on the planet in every way, shape and form.

Seeing as Native Americans are still treated like some kind of underclass, and black people are still prejudiced against, I would say that no, you have not made amends.

Seemingly about 50% of voters actually like Bush.

Not a warmongering people?

Let's see... after World War 2 you've had :

The Korean War
The Second Indochina War (Vietnam)
That Really Short War With Nicauragua
Gulf War One
Soomaalia
Afghanistan (War on Terror Edition)
Gulf War Two.

And those are just wars that your troops have had an active hand in, there have been a few wars in other places which the US has done their bit in, such as Greece, Egypt, Afghanistan (Cold War Edition), Iran-Iraq and a few conflicts in Africa.

Since US troops are still reasonably doggedly supported by the US populace, I would say that it's a fairly warmongering people.

Clearly, there are people such as yourself, but for every one of you, there's a DesignatedMarksman or two out there.

What actually frustrates me the most is that now your leadership is fighting them, whilst still sticking to policies like bribing various Afganistani warlords.

Look what's happening in Soomaalia - is that not proof enough that it's a pretty stupid thing to do?

Re-education and in extreme cases, sectioning people, would be a much better solution that killing them.

Indeed. It's rather grating.

"Allah Akhbar" is Arabic (and Persian) for "Allah (God) is great". For some reason, a lot of US citizens take offense to it, whilst still saying "God Bless America", which is almost the same.




You seem to be an alright chap, but I'm afraid to say that you're not really like the average US citizen that I've met, or really chatted to on these forums.
Finaly! I thought nobody was going to talk to me. Anyway.

1. I don't know about Indians, but we gave all kinds of civil right laws to help the blacks. As for prejedice, do you want us to start arresting people for being racist? Thats violation of someones righte to their opinion.

2. Those 50% are gone, last time I saw, it was about 15%. but too me, that still 15% who have no idea whats going on here.

3. The presidents and politicals jerk asses are the ones who sent our people in their to die. Not us. Don't you think if we had a choice we wouldn't have just gone in their. As I've said, no the people who did that, the leaders. Just look at all the protest for those wars. And whats wrong with supporting our own troops? Their our sons, brothers, fathers who are risking their lives just being their. Why should we not support them, then turn around and flick off the guys who sent them their?

4. What do you mean by Marksman? Like those two guys who sniped off people a while back? People like them are in every country. Jsut because you hear about ours doesnt mean were more violent.

5. Thats polotics for you. With one hand your patting a guy on the back, witht he other your strangling his best friend. I don't like it, but if that has to be done for us too stop bin laden from hurting people, so be it.

6. For some odd reason, the guys in Government just arent learning and the American people pay for it with our lives.

7. Re-Education. Just like re-forming isnt it. And sanctioning, just like locking them up. Which is what were doing already. And besides, a guy could just pretend to be Re-Educated, then run off and kill a few people just to get back in the feel of it.

8. I don't know where the Xeno phobia came from and I don't really care, it was a bad idea back in the early 1900s and it's a bad idea today, and ten bucks say it'll be a bad idea tomarow!

9. I am assuming that it's those who hate muslims for 911, when they don't realise not every muslim was involved in doing that. Or religous dicks who want to force their faith on us by booting away others faith. If they want to praise their god, let them. I don't care if it's Allah, God, Buddha, or mickey mouse. It's their religon, and America is supposed to be all about letting people get away with their frigging religons!

10. I guess all in all my mayjor point here is, don't hate the American people for what our Government is doing. We may be a democratic people, but really, we don't have a say in what they do too us or anyone else. ANd if we could stop them we would. Remember, with all the wars you mentioned, we suffered too, not as much but we did. We are not bad people, it jsut our leaders who are ass holes.

4. What do you mean by Marksman? Like those two guys who sniped off people a while back? People like them are in every country. Jsut because you hear about ours doesnt mean were more violent.He means DesignatedMarksman, another poster on this forum.

He means DesignatedMarksman, another poster on this forum.
Oh, I've really never heard of him so I can't say anything.

God’s Hand in the Founding of America
by Elder L. Tom Perry
of the Council of the Twelve



Disgraceful post. I didn't read it all, I'll admit, but I'll say this:
LEARN TO POST LINKS!
Talk complete rubbish, use bad language, insult my mother if you must, but waste my screenspace like that ... I'm going to call you a dickhead.

To the original post: You care, you feel for your nation. That's good. It's good to care for something beyond yourself. The God thing is a bit crazy though ... like, "I am of this Nation, and this Nation is of God." If you really believe in God, you don't need a bigass corporate state to arbitrate for you. Just talk to Him.

hell no. god doesent exist.

*raises hand furtively*

I support a federal European state, I just don't think the current EU is the proper method of federalisation.

*Nods*, couldn't even put it better myself.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need anther cookie just to finnish reading this stuff!!;)

I don't mean to get a disrespectful arguement to all of the US citizens of Nation States. I have lots of American friends and they are very good to me. I'm not american but I know that America is a powerful country but I must agree with other people who have posted in this forum.

If Rome fell. If Egypt fell. America will fall.

You say America has helped other countries? Well yes in a way but they only help when they benefit from it or when they fell threatened. Like that Alamo movie, hollywood does a great job portraying that the US won that battle but it's a load of bull. No American soldier was left alive in that battle but your government can't take a loss so they have to say they won. And since Mexico isn't powerful enough to say something about it your government just goes ahead and does things. George W. Bush is the living proof that there are some people, drunk with power that will do anything to keep themselves up in the balance. Trust me on this one day the Arab countries will have enough of the US and they will wipe it off the face of the earth. Because you guys are afraid to die....but arabs are not. If they get the idea that by dying with all the US country, they have done a service to their god then they will happily do it...now, can you say the same? The answer is most definately no.

The US won't last forever, it will not lead the economy of the world forever. One day the Chinnese will be more powerful, because maybe you don't see it but they're growing faster than any other country in the world. What took the US years to prosper, they are doing in by the minute and you think your country is blessed by god?

Your country has the lowest spirituality on the face of the earth, not to mention your moral values. You say you made Mexico bite the dirt but even though they have a bad economy, they have moral values and spirituality beyond yours will ever be. Out there it's not too often you see a divorced couple or a man that hits his wife, or children killing their families, or drug addicts. The US always has a story about that in their local news and Mexico gets stories about car crashes on their streets and most of the stories taking up space in the news are stuff happening on the US or the rest of the world. So don't go saying that your country is blessed by god over all the others because it's not. Mexico kicked Spain and France out of the territory, the US kicked England and so what? You're all cool and great all of a sudden? Nah, it's cool you believe in your country but work to get it back into the right track. Now it's the time to get working on Spirituality and family values.

We, the latin-american community, have traditions you find weird and you even laugh at them. Like when a young man stays with their parents even after he's 21. You call that failure to launch but you don't understand it. We stay home out of respect of our parents, it is tradition that if you are not married you can still live with your parents and they'll gladly keep you there. Your parents can't wait to kick you in the butt and get you out of their house. Your family values are on the dirt. Mexicans may not prosper as the US but they got each other's backs. Can you say the same? I don't think so and if you say you do, you're lying...We are in a world lacking spirituality and values and if we don't get working on that this world will end. We got hunger, war, diseases and death all over the world. The four horsemen of the apocalyps, and if we don't make our peace with god, the world will end and we will all go down the drain. Think about it and tell your dad and your mom that you love them, make your peace with your brothers and sisters and family. Work to make this world better but start with yourself and what surrounds you.

Not quite. It was the first government of it's kind, but not the first type of government system. There have been different types of governments since long before any of the Europeans or Asians even knew that the American continents existed.

Not quite the first, a separation of powers existed in the Roman republic.

We will live forever because we are the greatest nation ever created with the best military ever created. Not to mention our citizens are smart enough to elect strong republican leadership 5 out of the last 6 elections. thumbs up to America and freedom.

We will live forever because we are the greatest nation ever created with the best military ever created. Not to mention our citizens are smart enough to elect strong republican leadership 5 out of the last 6 elections. thumbs up to America and freedom.Your satire is always a riot! :D

hell no. god doesent exist.

Indeed.

No, the U.S. will not live forever. All countries must die eventually.

Congressman?
In the UK?


Write anyway. They won't notice the funny stamp ;)

Anyway, what we really need is some kind of cash incentive for voting.


In Australia, you cop a $50 fine for NOT voting! That works!

http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboFUCKINGUSAHI.html

dont feel uninsulted, oh no. south koreans also hate you :D

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/uglykorea/noentry.jpg

No, the US won't last forever.

But consider yourself lucky when the USSR dissolved.

If the US is taken by armed revolution, or outside force, between the harm to the world's economy, the reduction in food exports, and the nuclear warfare, it's not going to be pretty.

http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboFUCKINGUSAHI.html

dont feel uninsulted, oh no. south koreans also hate you :D

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/uglykorea/noentry.jpg

They are still bitching about the gold medal! :D

That's funny. I had forgotten about it....

I don't mean to get a disrespectful arguement to all of the US citizens of Nation States. I have lots of American friends and they are very good to me. I'm not american but I know that America is a powerful country but I must agree with other people who have posted in this forum.

If Rome fell. If Egypt fell. America will fall.

You say America has helped other countries? Well yes in a way but they only help when they benefit from it or when they fell threatened. Like that Alamo movie, hollywood does a great job portraying that the US won that battle but it's a load of bull. No American soldier was left alive in that battle but your government can't take a loss so they have to say they won. And since Mexico isn't powerful enough to say something about it your government just goes ahead and does things. George W. Bush is the living proof that there are some people, drunk with power that will do anything to keep themselves up in the balance. Trust me on this one day the Arab countries will have enough of the US and they will wipe it off the face of the earth. Because you guys are afraid to die....but arabs are not. If they get the idea that by dying with all the US country, they have done a service to their god then they will happily do it...now, can you say the same? The answer is most definately no.

The US won't last forever, it will not lead the economy of the world forever. One day the Chinnese will be more powerful, because maybe you don't see it but they're growing faster than any other country in the world. What took the US years to prosper, they are doing in by the minute and you think your country is blessed by god?

Your country has the lowest spirituality on the face of the earth, not to mention your moral values. You say you made Mexico bite the dirt but even though they have a bad economy, they have moral values and spirituality beyond yours will ever be. Out there it's not too often you see a divorced couple or a man that hits his wife, or children killing their families, or drug addicts. The US always has a story about that in their local news and Mexico gets stories about car crashes on their streets and most of the stories taking up space in the news are stuff happening on the US or the rest of the world. So don't go saying that your country is blessed by god over all the others because it's not. Mexico kicked Spain and France out of the territory, the US kicked England and so what? You're all cool and great all of a sudden? Nah, it's cool you believe in your country but work to get it back into the right track. Now it's the time to get working on Spirituality and family values.

We, the latin-american community, have traditions you find weird and you even laugh at them. Like when a young man stays with their parents even after he's 21. You call that failure to launch but you don't understand it. We stay home out of respect of our parents, it is tradition that if you are not married you can still live with your parents and they'll gladly keep you there. Your parents can't wait to kick you in the butt and get you out of their house. Your family values are on the dirt. Mexicans may not prosper as the US but they got each other's backs. Can you say the same? I don't think so and if you say you do, you're lying...We are in a world lacking spirituality and values and if we don't get working on that this world will end. We got hunger, war, diseases and death all over the world. The four horsemen of the apocalyps, and if we don't make our peace with god, the world will end and we will all go down the drain. Think about it and tell your dad and your mom that you love them, make your peace with your brothers and sisters and family. Work to make this world better but start with yourself and what surrounds you.
You see everyone, this is why I hate American bashers so much, guys like this. Who obvously don't understand anything about my country. And who hurl out random things, with nothing to back it up but, "I don't like them!"

1. No one ever America won the Alamo, they stood bravely and were slaughtered to the man in the end, anyone who does say we won has obviously never seen the movies.

2. I still say that no matter how much you hate Bush, Americans hate them more then you ever will!

3. Arabs arent afraid to die, that makes them easy killing in a fight. A wise man once said, "When a man is willing to die for his cause, he is easily swepted aside and forgotten."

4. Who cares about spiritual value.

5. We have morals every bit as good as yours, maybe even better. Look at us, everytime something bad happens in our nation, people run up to protest or do something about it. But then, the Government steps in and screws up our every try.

6. About divorces, so a man and wife get fed up, it happens. People kill eachother no matter where you are. And drug addicts sneak into every corner of the world, including yours!

7. I still don't get the whole thing where were so damn blessed, Katrina proved were not so.... Whatever.

8. Any American whos says our country is better then all others needs to read a history book. Their is no such things as the geatest country!

9. So we laugh at your tradtions, so what. Get over it.

10. So my parents want me to live on my own, that means, exactly, dick.

11. Mexicans got eachothers backs, all mexicans or just the ones you want to mention? And it's not like AMericans don't look out for another. It's true, their are far to many Americans that will be more then happy to let everyone they know burn so that they can get what they want, but that doesnt apply to us all.

12. I respect the fact that you think the world should put aside diffrences and work together. God knows we need more people to preach a word like that.

13. I don't believe in god, and I never will, but I won't bash you for it because of what you say about working together.

14. I've tried to love my parents, I have. But no matter how hard I try, they give me another reason not too. I have no brothers, but three sisters. One who wants too see me dead and in the trash. One who cares for no one but herself. And one who I shall never see again, no becasue she's dead, because she deserted my family. I appreciate that you wish for people to get in touch with their families, but thats easier said then done.

15. You stand here and tell us too work together, and yet all you do is tell us how horrible America is. I'm sorry you can't love your own Nation, but I'm even more sorry we have to have you in it.

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!
Damn straight!
America is also known for it's HOT DOGS!
Invented on Coney Island.
God Bless THEM!

Damn straight!
America is also known for it's HOT DOGS!
Invented on Coney Island.
God Bless THEM!
God bless the hotdogs or the country? LOL

Damn straight!
America is also known for it's HOT DOGS!
Invented on Coney Island.
God Bless THEM!
Though the germans were making very similar before the americans...

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

dear idiot who probably was kicked out of 1st grade and continued school at church. please note that greece had democracy first, followed by rome and after fall of rome slovenia had democracy, according to clinton, who has iq higher than his shoe size, that is. our MP one said something similar for austria, so i'll quote him with a few diffirences: american is a nation of british, ducth and irish immigrants who made genocide on indians and claimed their land for themselves. there american culture, literature cant exist because you are not a nation. in case you dont know, america is heaven for porn industry (playboy and similar), drugs, queers. and your morals are based on good old which hunts and christian fanaticism, which killed bilions of people. funny how people are willing to belive everyone who calles himself a messiah to be one. byzantines who made up bible would turn in their graves had they'd knew how well their hoax went.

http://www.forzanuova.org/manifesti/Europa%20VS%20America.jpg

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

First of All, saying that "When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on." is total... bullshit. Why is it that some people NEVER LEARN HISTORY???? Hello, San Marino has been a Rebublic since 301 AD you moron. As a Canadian, who has heavily studied the history of Empire (Rome, China, Britian etc.), thinking you will rule the world for ever is so sad. You make me feel sad. In the end, all large republics fall because rule by the people is stupid. Mainly because 80% of the world's population is stupid.

Very sad.

america is heaven for porn industry (playboy and similar), drugs, queers

Well I'll be dipped .... God *does* bless America!

USA! USA! USA!

dear idiot who probably was kicked out of 1st grade and continued school at church. please note that greece had democracy first, followed by rome and after fall of rome slovenia had democracy, according to clinton, who has iq higher than his shoe size, that is. our MP one said something similar for austria, so i'll quote him with a few diffirences: american is a nation of british, ducth and irish immigrants who made genocide on indians and claimed their land for themselves. there american culture, literature cant exist because you are not a nation. in case you dont know, america is heaven for porn industry (playboy and similar), drugs, queers. and your morals are based on good old which hunts and christian fanaticism, which killed bilions of people. funny how people are willing to belive everyone who calles himself a messiah to be one. byzantines who made up bible would turn in their graves had they'd knew how well their hoax went.

http://www.forzanuova.org/manifesti/Europa%20VS%20America.jpg
Why is it that everyone hates America based on what happened so long ago, even thought the people have changed incredibly? And how are we not a nation? And there is porn, and homosexuals, and drugs in every country of the world, it's not just America. And I am done talking about morals, each person in America has his own set of Morals, some better then others.

Like I said before, it's going to need a purging down the road.

Oh? do tell? I'm interested in knowing just who or what you think needs "purging" since you believe God has a hard-on for the United States. Well? The Jews? The Muslims? Catholics? Democrats? Who is it you're gonna want "purged?"

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact.
All of this is wrong. Americans are not the new Hebrews, or chosen people. He loves you no more than any other nation. If He did, why would He send disasters like Hurricane Katrina, and George Bush against you?

America sometimes supports Justice and freedom. But other countries have outshone you in that department lately.

By comparison with Europe, America doesn't do shit to help anyone. It has the stingiest welfare system, and the worst public services in the West. The worst crime rates and your citizens are, contrary to claims, nowhere near the most charitable in the world.

All of this is wrong. Americans are not the new Hebrews, or chosen people. He loves you no more than any other nation. If He did, why would He send disasters like Hurricane Katrina, and George Bush against you?

America sometimes supports Justice and freedom. But other countries have outshone you in that department lately.

By comparison with Europe, America doesn't do shit to help anyone. It has the stingiest welfare system, and the worst public services in the West. The worst crime rates and your citizens are, contrary to claims, nowhere near the most charitable in the world.
When it comes to charity, we arent even good enough to be compared to any other country. Just look at the fact that their are almost no charities around anymore, that how charitible we seem to be. Welfare... Anything I can bitch about on that would be pointless and a waste of time. Crime rate=Detroit, and all those rednecks down south swarming in on the north. Suppoting justice and freedom, we would like too, but our president has other ideas... And last, we never were, never will be the chosen people, at, all.

America has been great. But "All Nations and Empires continue to grow and expand in power and wealth until someone like me comes along and destroyes them."- Atilla the Hun.

dear idiot who probably was kicked out of 1st grade and continued school at church. please note that greece had democracy first, followed by rome and after fall of rome ... o made up bible would turn in their graves had they'd knew how well their hoax went.

http://www.forzanuova.org/manifesti/Europa%20VS%20America.jpg

Well, that's made up my mind. Get on this guy's side, get shot in the back. God bless America, huh?

Except the first one. This is shown as your second post. So the first one went ...
Heeeeheeehee! That's half the fun.
That was his first post. He has posted since, and his count increased. I am tired, so I don't care if you were serious to be honest.

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!
I thought senility only happens to old people?

Not if this keeps up.

America will live forever. It will have to go through a great purging down the road, and may not remain the top dog forever, but this nation will forever exist, it will not become a historical fact. It will forever live.
No nation has ever lasted forever. Though you do put nationalism above logic and facts so this is to be expected.

Your wish is well and truly my command.

First off, it's "I can't wait to hear the anti-American folks".

And secondly, how is America any more blessed than any other nation?

It's a nation founded upon genocide and slavery, that for some reason thinks it's exempt from the rest of the world's rules, whilst trying to "spread democracy" and ignore the the fact that Bush stole the election in 2000 and debatably in 2004.

It's also the most warmongering nation on the planet, and supports all of the wrong people in places around the world.

Also, the death penalty is stupid, and I hate your horribly xenophobic culture that puts the US first over everyone else.

Ah - and one thing that's always been in the back of my mind - why do you find "Allah Akhbar" offensive, whilst thinking that "God Bless America" is OK?
I agree. The US thinks it knows what's good for us, but God forbid we ever claim to know better than them. (see the controversy over stopping the DP for minors; meanwhile, US soldiers continue to blow up Iraq)

What was that about the Highland purges and the treatment of the Irish?

Who owned the colonies?
Is Yootopia denying these facts, or claiming the UK to be favoured by God?

Please, please, tell me this is a joke. I mean, do people honestly believe this bile?
I think it's a troll.

The French didn't show up until the last battle.
On land. Pity for the Brits, the French wiped out the Royal Navy at sea, while supplying weapons to the freedom fighters.

And who's to say that God's hand wasn't in getting the French to help (which was a BIG hurdle, only divine intervention could have made them help us, the King almost said NO)
No divine intervention needed when your aim is to disable Britain at every opportunity.

Everyone knows that facts are irrelevant to you. If France had agreed to go into Iraq I'm sure you would be praising them as brothers in arms who valiantly aided the Founding Fathers 230 years ago.

"senile" simply means old.
"senile" and "senility" are stupid contractions of "senile dementia," meaning elderly daftness, if you please, which is now recognized as more than one 'disease.' No, I'm not an expert, to me it's just "getting old and going daft."
There is a worse modern contraction. It's "Anal" for "anal retentive" which is supposedly shrink-speak for "uptight." Only it isn't, comes out of some trashy novel. Such is language.

Did I forget to fart during that? Oh well. Pffffwwwrrrrtt. pop. Wups.

EDIT: Holy bat, crapman! Sun's coming up. Goodnight sturdy yeomen-and-women.

[QUOTE=Francis Street]
I agree. The US thinks it knows what's good for us, but God forbid we ever claim to know better than them. (see the controversy over stopping the DP for minors; meanwhile, US soldiers continue to blow up Iraq)[QUOTE]

Uhm, last time I checked it was mostly Iraqi's and other Arabs busy blowing up Iraq.

[QUOTE=Francis Street]
I agree. The US thinks it knows what's good for us, but God forbid we ever claim to know better than them. (see the controversy over stopping the DP for minors; meanwhile, US soldiers continue to blow up Iraq)[QUOTE]

Uhm, last time I checked it was mostly Iraqi's and other Arabs busy blowing up Iraq.
He's right, when was the last time you heard of Americans blowing up anything in Iraq, but you hear alot about Iraqi's blowing shit up and killing Americans. But you never hear about operation New Hope.

That was his first post. He has posted since, and his count increased. I am tired, so I don't care if you were serious to be honest.

Very good point. You can see my post count. Good of you to defend the new poster. I am ALWAYS serious, and often wrong. You can't possibly be as tired as me, I have one wheel of a mining truck hanging from my brow as I type. See those lumps o crud? That's mud, falling out of the treads.
Oh, and good of you to be honest. It clears my mind to know that you don't know if I meant to be serious. It's good, or at least not bad to get mired in moral ambiguity, with the birds singing outside my window, and this tire hangin on my head. I'll just jo degelte the last post, OK, doing that now.
Nice. We friends for ever :)

Hmm. Of course America will last forever. We are God's Chosen People, as can clearly be seen in the bible, if you're not a complete and total atheist communist baby eating idiot fool.

Did not God say "Let there be light"? I rest my case. Now go away you American hating Frenchies.

Hmm. Of course America will last forever. We are God's Chosen People, as can clearly be seen in the bible, if you're not a complete and total atheist communist baby eating idiot fool.

Did not God say "Let there be light"? I rest my case. Now go away you American hating Frenchies.
........ Ok, I'm computer illiterate, is he joking? ANd is he being Pro or Con American here?

Why is it that everyone hates America based on what happened so long ago, even thought the people have changed incredibly? And how are we not a nation? And there is porn, and homosexuals, and drugs in every country of the world, it's not just America. And I am done talking about morals, each person in America has his own set of Morals, some better then others.

when america threathened us to hand over OUR territories to austria and italy or face military offensive, was that alright? when they've threathened us to stay in yugoslavia or face bombs was that ok? was it alright when they've made serbian people evil? was it ok to bomb serbia mearly because they were protecting their people on kosovo from terrorists? oh, but of course, i was brainwashed.

more than porn it bothers me the repulsion to it. and how moralists want everyone to be like them or suffer. like that atheist leader in southren states who got slaughtered for her actions by christians

[QUOTE=Fuzzitonia][QUOTE=Francis Street]
I agree. The US thinks it knows what's good for us, but God forbid we ever claim to know better than them. (see the controversy over stopping the DP for minors; meanwhile, US soldiers continue to blow up Iraq)
He's right, when was the last time you heard of Americans blowing up anything in Iraq, but you hear alot about Iraqi's blowing shit up and killing Americans. But you never hear about operation New Hope.

Damn straight. Try googling it. Is it a housing project ?

........ Ok, I'm computer illiterate, is he joking? ANd is he being Pro or Con American here?

Relax buddy, I go foaming at the mouth uber-patriotic all the time, but don't take me too seriously. That said, you're clearly a sissy hippie liberal commie bomb throwing pinko red.

when america threathened us to hand over OUR territories to austria and italy or face military offensive, was that alright? when they've threathened us to stay in yugoslavia or face bombs was that ok? was it alright when they've made serbian people evil? was it ok to bomb serbia mearly because they were protecting their people on kosovo from terrorists? oh, but of course, i was brainwashed.

more than porn it bothers me the repulsion to it. and how moralists want everyone to be like them or suffer. like that atheist leader in southren states who got slaughtered for her actions by christians
Uhhh, did all Americans agree with that? No. Did all Americans have anything to do with any of that? No. Was it our leaders who did not and the people paid the price? Yes. And just so you know, I am Aetheist, just like her. Just like I've been saying, it's wrong to hate the American people for what our leaders are doing. You are a fool to think that what those Christians did means were all like that. If you have to hate anything American, hate our leaders, but don't blame us for what they do, blame them!

all i have to say is that i highly doubt that any nation that exists today will "dissapear", just fade into the mix, so no the USA wont last forever but it will have a long run as the main superpower but in time developing nations will get their act together and rising nations like India will force the US into a lesser role.

........ Ok, I'm computer illiterate, is he joking? ANd is he being Pro or Con American here?
why would he be joking? hes right on and all points

Relax buddy, I go foaming at the mouth uber-patriotic all the time, but don't take me too seriously. That said, you're clearly a sissy hippie liberal commie bomb throwing pinko red.
We'll excuse me for being confused, dick.

Uhhh, did all Americans agree with that? No. Did all Americans have anything to do with any of that? No. Was it our leaders who did not and the people paid the price? Yes. And just so you know, I am Aetheist, just like her. Just like I've been saying, it's wrong to hate the American people for what our leaders are doing. You are a fool to think that what those Christians did means were all like that. If you have to hate anything American, hate our leaders, but don't blame us for what they do, blame them!
once we elect them they tend not to listen anymore so +1 for this

once we elect them they tend not to listen anymore so +1 for this
Yeah that happens alot, they tell us they'll do anything we ask, then just forget we exist since we can't do anything about it.

1. I don't know about Indians, but we gave all kinds of civil right laws to help the blacks.
Black people are still by and large treated poorer by the media (I can get FOX and CNN with my satellite) and they are still the ones living in the most poverty (excepting Native Americans and also Mexican Immigrants).

As Kanye West said, the news coverage was amazingly biased during Katrina. Black people were shown as doing something wrong, whereas white people were always "the victims".
As for prejedice, do you want us to start arresting people for being racist? Thats violation of someones righte to their opinion.
In my opinion, there's a certain line which has to be drawn between "freedom of speech" and "not being a complete arse". Racism steps a long way over the latter.
2. Those 50% are gone, last time I saw, it was about 15%. but too me, that still 15% who have no idea whats going on here.
I thought it was something like 35%. That's massively high in my opinion.
3. The presidents and politicals jerk asses are the ones who sent our people in their to die. Not us. Don't you think if we had a choice we wouldn't have just gone in their. As I've said, no the people who did that, the leaders. Just look at all the protest for those wars.
The actions of a government reflect on the people of a country, sadly. And there are also a lot of people who go along with wars, simply because they "feel they should".
And whats wrong with supporting our own troops? Their our sons, brothers, fathers who are risking their lives just being their. Why should we not support them, then turn around and flick off the guys who sent them their?
The idolisation of the army by the US is one of the most grating aspects of it in my opinion. Protecting the funerals of soldiers who get attacked by anti-war demonstrators is fair enough, as long as you extend that to the funerals of gay people who Phelps' minions go and wreck.

I can see why the military gets respected, but I don't view it as any more valuable a career that being a teacher, or a doctor. And those professions certainly don't get as much respect as the military.
4. What do you mean by Marksman? Like those two guys who sniped off people a while back? People like them are in every country. Jsut because you hear about ours doesnt mean were more violent.
DesignatedMarksman is a poster whose answer to the problems in the Middle East is "kill them all because they're horrible due to them being Arabs, although I actually call them Ragheads, and I hate them indescriminately".
. Thats polotics for you. With one hand your patting a guy on the back, witht he other your strangling his best friend. I don't like it, but if that has to be done for us too stop bin laden from hurting people, so be it.
The best thing in retrospect would have been not to have trained up bin Laden and have tried to control him and the Muhad'juhadeen.

As it stands, the "War on Terror" can never, ever be won. It's an ideological war, and you can't fight an ideology.
6. For some odd reason, the guys in Government just arent learning and the American people pay for it with our lives.
Yeah, it's a pretty terrible thing, and it's mostly the fault of Rumsfeld to be honest.
7. Re-Education. Just like re-forming isnt it.
What's "re-forming?"

Re-education is a much better policy that simply locking people up for a long time, and it helps society much more in the long run.
And sanctioning, just like locking them up. Which is what were doing already.
Locking up murderers with thieves and rapists just means that criminal "knowledge" gets spread around. Keeping them in mental hospitals, in solitary confinement, does not.
And besides, a guy could just pretend to be Re-Educated, then run off and kill a few people just to get back in the feel of it.
I don't think so. If you had, say, five years of re-education, then the lessons that were put upon you would stick, whatever you tried to do. You'd certainly have a voice in your head reminding you of what you'd been tought, rather than prison which leads people to brood for a few years over how to take their revenge.
8. I don't know where the Xeno phobia came from and I don't really care, it was a bad idea back in the early 1900s and it's a bad idea today, and ten bucks say it'll be a bad idea tomarow!
Yeah, indeed. The American Education system needs a bit of a rethink. The whole "flag pledge" thing is rather pointless, and showing mindless following of orders by one's "superiors" as patriotism is also stupid.
9. I am assuming that it's those who hate muslims for 911, when they don't realise not every muslim was involved in doing that. Or religous dicks who want to force their faith on us by booting away others faith. If they want to praise their god, let them. I don't care if it's Allah, God, Buddha, or mickey mouse. It's their religon, and America is supposed to be all about letting people get away with their frigging religons!
Yeah, that's exactly the problem. Four Muslims smashed some planes into stuff and the whole lot of them get put upon. It's horrible, and utterly ludicrous as well.
10. I guess all in all my mayjor point here is, don't hate the American people for what our Government is doing. We may be a democratic people, but really, we don't have a say in what they do too us or anyone else. ANd if we could stop them we would. Remember, with all the wars you mentioned, we suffered too, not as much but we did. We are not bad people, it jsut our leaders who are ass holes.
I know that there are a fair few US citizens who are really nice people, and there are even American socialists and other actually left wing Americans (the Democrats are centre-right), but it seems that a lot of US citizens genuinely don't like foreigners, black people, women and are generally intolerant of anything that might help society progress but slightly meddles in religious issues (stem cell research etc.).

To me, the mouths which speak against what I believe in speak loudest, and I generally dislike right-wingers. Since most Americans are right-wingers, this has inadvertantely (and quite sadly) led to me being a bit prejudiced, to say the least, about the US and its citizens.

I guess that with time I might become a bit more tolerant, or maybe the US will become less right-wing, but until then I am against the words and actions of most American citizens.

Hmm. Of course America will last forever. We are God's Chosen People, as can clearly be seen in the bible, if you're not a complete and total atheist communist baby eating idiot fool.

Did not God say "Let there be light"? I rest my case. Now go away you American hating Frenchies.

You're wrong there. I am a complete and total atheist communist baby eating idiot fool. But clearly God's Chosen People all died at Jonestown, as is clearly laid down in the Bible. Furthermore, my alarm clock just rang, right in my face, which in case you don't know is WORSE than being woken up by the sucker.
I, for one, am firmly on your side in this battle of good vs. evil. Cthulu bless Bogonia!

Yeah that happens alot, they tell us they'll do anything we ask, then just forget we exist since we can't do anything about it.
senators suck they only have to listen every 6th year thats why they get so out of tough w/ the citizens. reps on the other hand have to keep their act together. as for the president in a second term, forget about it. (i dont hate bush i just think that he needs to read the reports before making a stupid call)

<Quote>As Kanye West said, the news coverage was amazingly biased during Katrina. Black people were shown as doing something wrong, whereas white people were always "the victims".

i saw plenty of footage showing all races commiting crimes

i saw plenty of footage showing all races commiting crimes
It was mostly "black people are baddies, white people are doing what they have to" on FOX. CNN was only slightly less biased.

It is a good word. I use it as often as possible. But your fate? Nah ... you'll be awesome. Famous, even. You're smart and very, very cute. The world will love you.

I guess that's kind of a doom ... never mind ... carry on!
Aww... :D
You made my day!

3. Arabs arent afraid to die, that makes them easy killing in a fight. A wise man once said, "When a man is willing to die for his cause, he is easily swepted aside and forgotten."

And yet Abraham Lincoln was not forgotten. So your point there was really off.


4. Who cares about spiritual value.

You're allowed your opinion since you are not spiritual.


5. We have morals every bit as good as yours, maybe even better. Look at us, everytime something bad happens in our nation, people run up to protest or do something about it. But then, the Government steps in and screws up our every try.

Yet you have a lot of teenage moms. Probably the highest in the world, you've never been outside your country. You see all in shades of pink but you've never been gray, you've never had to live with the poor and look at the ugly side of life and yet you think you can come and say we can't back our arguments? How can you back your arguments? It's a fact that in vietnam you were supplying both sides and your government sacrificed the lives of innocent american soldiers. And you call that a nation of Dreams? What dreams?! No, you keep believing what you want. You are entitled to defend your country but don't try to blind yourself from the reality. You're not outside so you can't see it. Americans are good people, I'll grant you that, yet you say you stand when something is wrong and the government pushes you aside. You guys are too many almost five times the size of my country and you think you can tell me all that bull, when your country has stopped the growth of my country by including small clauses into contracts forbidding us from creating competitive industries or they will pull their investments? You don't know anything, you're blinded because your goverment blinds you so don't come here and tell me 'I hate america bashers boohoo' If we bash it's for a reason. But we don't bash you, we bash your government who have deformed your nation and transformed it in something that if you were able to really see it you would have a different perspective but until then don't talk to me like you know. You are a patriot? So am I. And all the stuff you guys say about Irak, your government is there for the oil, the Iraki people don't want your ass there but the government keep them there, and who's dying? All latin americans, and you think your moral values are better than mine? You don't care about latinos, you simply send them like pigs to the slaughter because you hate ilegals, yet your country needs latinos to work, I don't see you planting seeds and picking up crops..no, you leave that to the latinos. So don't tell me you got better moral values, I don't discriminate you in fact in my country we welcome you like you're one of us and yet we go to yours and you strip search us. What's that tell you?! You think that's great? Then go ahead and believe whatever you want.


6. About divorces, so a man and wife get fed up, it happens. People kill eachother no matter where you are. And drug addicts sneak into every corner of the world, including yours!

I'll grant you that. We sell it you consume it, that's what you all think anyways...


8. Any American whos says our country is better then all others needs to read a history book. Their is no such things as the geatest country!

Finally we agree on something.


9. So we laugh at your tradtions, so what. Get over it.

Yet you demand respect, preach with example.


10. So my parents want me to live on my own, that means, exactly, dick.

You said you have trouble with your parents so I won't say nothing on that.


11. Mexicans got eachothers backs, all mexicans or just the ones you want to mention? And it's not like AMericans don't look out for another. It's true, their are far to many Americans that will be more then happy to let everyone they know burn so that they can get what they want, but that doesnt apply to us all.

Given...


12. I respect the fact that you think the world should put aside diffrences and work together. God knows we need more people to preach a word like that.

13. I don't believe in god, and I never will, but I won't bash you for it because of what you say about working together.

14. I've tried to love my parents, I have. But no matter how hard I try, they give me another reason not too. I have no brothers, but three sisters. One who wants too see me dead and in the trash. One who cares for no one but herself. And one who I shall never see again, no becasue she's dead, because she deserted my family. I appreciate that you wish for people to get in touch with their families, but thats easier said then done.

Yes It is harder but I'm willing to try and I'm succeeding...I hope someday you will too.


15. You stand here and tell us too work together, and yet all you do is tell us how horrible America is. I'm sorry you can't love your own Nation, but I'm even more sorry we have to have you in it.

I'm not American so you can rest easy. I do love my country, I am just worried about it but there will come a time when I will be able to do something to improve it. And I will find out what.

I guess that with time I might become a bit more tolerant, or maybe the US will become less right-wing, but until then I am against the words and actions of most American citizens.

Yep, there it is. Democracy sucks.
If I had a nuke ... aw, hell, if I had a 100-km diameter bigass rock (meteorite? or summin) I could wup out Gaza, most of Iraq, Syria, and Israel. Wouldn't the rest of the world be pretty suave about that? I mean, Gaza doesn't have a government, unless you count Terrorists, and Syria is a bogus democracy, and Iraq is a puppet government of the US, which doesn't want them. That leaves Israel. But most Israeli's apparently voted for holding all of Gaza hostage for one dude, so no-ones going to miss them.
Hey, this bigass rock is a bit finnicky! Wups, that was Europe. Oh well. Almost half of them voted for something crazy. Only half of the 100 million people I just killed were innocent.

Democracy isn't, was never, will never be a way of holding a whole country responsible for the actions of it's leaders. It was, is, and is intended to be, a way for the leaders to avoid responsibility for their actions.

Aww... :D
You made my day!

Hooray!

Black people are still by and large treated poorer by the media (I can get FOX and CNN with my satellite) and they are still the ones living in the most poverty (excepting Native Americans and also Mexican Immigrants).

As Kanye West said, the news coverage was amazingly biased during Katrina. Black people were shown as doing something wrong, whereas white people were always "the victims".

1.Everyone who lived in New Orleans was a victim, black, white, red whatever. Shame on the damned media for doing that.

In my opinion, there's a certain line which has to be drawn between "freedom of speech" and "not being a complete arse". Racism steps a long way over the latter.

2. Not freedom pf speech, freedom of thought. You don't like blacks, woopedy doo for you. Now when you run around saying something like "Kill all niggers." Then thats where I draw the line.

I thought it was something like 35%. That's massively high in my opinion.

3.A helluvalot of Americans hate him. 'Nuff said.


The idolisation of the army by the US is one of the most grating aspects of it in my opinion. Protecting the funerals of soldiers who get attacked by anti-war demonstrators is fair enough, as long as you extend that to the funerals of gay people who Phelps' minions go and wreck.

4.I do agree that the Government glorifies the army a little too much. Encouraging men to join is fine by me, but when they make the Marine slook like gods, we'll..... And yes, I think that there should be something done to help the gays at their funerals. Down with Phelps!

I can see why the military gets respected, but I don't view it as any more valuable a career that being a teacher, or a doctor. And those professions certainly don't get as much respect as the military.

5.During time of war I can understand why the Government glorifies the army since it needs soldiers, but I think they should encaourage teachers, doctors and such also. God knows we need more educated people here.

DesignatedMarksman is a poster whose answer to the problems in the Middle East is "kill them all because they're horrible due to them being Arabs, although I actually call them Ragheads, and I hate them indescriminately".

6.I'll admit I used to be just like him, but then I woke up.

The best thing in retrospect would have been not to have trained up bin Laden and have tried to control him and the Muhad'juhadeen.

7.And if thats not bad enough, we once had a team of soldiers in place to kill him we'll before 911, but, because of 'legal' matters. It had to be called off just when they had him in their sights, literaly in their sights.

As it stands, the "War on Terror" can never, ever be won. It's an ideological war, and you can't fight an ideology.

8.War on terror not, war on bin laden....

Yeah, it's a pretty terrible thing, and it's mostly the fault of Rumsfeld to be honest.

9.I don't care who's foult it is, it's dumb, and it only adds fuel to the anti american fire.

What's "re-forming?"

10.We take the prisoner and shove into his head the idea that what he did was bad and he's bad for doing it.

Re-education is a much better policy that simply locking people up for a long time, and it helps society much more in the long run.

Locking up murderers with thieves and rapists just means that criminal "knowledge" gets spread around. Keeping them in mental hospitals, in solitary confinement, does not.

I don't think so. If you had, say, five years of re-education, then the lessons that were put upon you would stick, whatever you tried to do. You'd certainly have a voice in your head reminding you of what you'd been tought, rather than prison which leads people to brood for a few years over how to take their revenge.

11.Thats why I'm pro death penalty. We need to make an example out of these people who kill their fellow man for such pitiful reasons. If anything, were not cruel enough with it. I'm sorry, but thats just how I see how we should treat street scum like them. They lose all their freedoms when they take a life.

Yeah, indeed. The American Education system needs a bit of a rethink. The whole "flag pledge" thing is rather pointless, and showing mindless following of orders by one's "superiors" as patriotism is also stupid.

12.Thats why we stop doing the flag thing at High School. And to me, Patriotism is helping and loving your Country, not acting like brainless cattle and doing everything your told.

Yeah, that's exactly the problem. Four Muslims smashed some planes into stuff and the whole lot of them get put upon. It's horrible, and utterly ludicrous as well.

13.It's also where racism come from. A few black guys rob a store, all black guys rob store. A couple of teenagers shoot up their school, all kids are going to shoot their school.

I know that there are a fair few US citizens who are really nice people, and there are even American socialists and other actually left wing Americans (the Democrats are centre-right), but it seems that a lot of US citizens genuinely don't like foreigners, black people, women and are generally intolerant of anything that might help society progress but slightly meddles in religious issues (stem cell research etc.).

14.Remember, their are people in every country just like that, no matter what country your talking about.

To me, the mouths which speak against what I believe in speak loudest, and I generally dislike right-wingers. Since most Americans are right-wingers, this has inadvertantely (and quite sadly) led to me being a bit prejudiced, to say the least, about the US and its citizens.

15.As I've said, if you don't like the US, fine. Just understand that all you hear about the country doing, we couldn't stop, and had no choice.

I guess that with time I might become a bit more tolerant, or maybe the US will become less right-wing, but until then I am against the words and actions of most American citizens.

16.Trust me, if you look around America, you'll find those assholes, but if you give it time, you'll find the good people where you least espect them.

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

America=high in debt and slowly crumbling from the inside.

A lot's happened since I've left...hmm....
America, like every empire before it, will fall. People in being corrupt make their countries corrupt, and eventually the said country will fall completely to that corruption. When that happens, they will no longer be a power, for another country, seeing that demise, will take advantage of it and become the new power. It's a cycle, and America is not immune to it.

Empires Rise and Fall. But they sometimes survive.

Will I think that the US will forever be a world power? Not really.

Do I think that it will just fall apart? Not Really.

A lot's happened since I've left...hmm....
America, like every empire before it, will fall. People in being corrupt make their countries corrupt, and eventually the said country will fall completely to that corruption. When that happens, they will no longer be a power, for another country, seeing that demise, will take advantage of it and become the new power. It's a cycle, and America is not immune to it.

And China continues to grow while this happens

And China continues to grow while this happens
Stupid China...

Stupid China...

Couldn't agree more

Uhhh, did all Americans agree with that? No. Did all Americans have anything to do with any of that? No. Was it our leaders who did not and the people paid the price? Yes. And just so you know, I am Aetheist, just like her. Just like I've been saying, it's wrong to hate the American people for what our leaders are doing. You are a fool to think that what those Christians did means were all like that. If you have to hate anything American, hate our leaders, but don't blame us for what they do, blame them!

was serbian people responsible for those massacers? no. did they pay the price? oh yes, in full. their country is collapsing in front of them, many children now have no parents and economy is collapsing because of the factories that were destroyed. soon kosovo will be lost simply because westren media portraits serbs as villans. you've elected clinton, he murdered those innocent people. yes, you are responsible, not nececeraly directly, yet you are. you've elected truman, he stole our lands, i think you're responsible ,yes.
christians? they elect whoever claims to be a conservative. you know why USA did not interve in spanish civil war (where christians were causing massacers of innocent peole)? because conservatives held roosevelt in check. and then we have balkan conflict again, full of religious hatered, irish conflict. if i do hate christians i hate them because they're deluded. they'll follow their leaders to death while they'll sit on a golden throne in name of the religion based on vague descriptions who might as well be hoaxh. when religion dies world peace shall live

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!
I'm sure, provided s/he exists, that God would not want you bragging about how great America is.

We are not, and never have been a nation of justice and freedom. The fact that you can even say that shows your true ignorance...

Oh, and the sex and the drugs: All your big businessmen: they do shitloads of drugs. And your priests rape little boys.

You are a moron and that's final.

It was mostly "black people are baddies, white people are doing what they have to" on FOX. CNN was only slightly less biased.
maybe it was because of the bias but i saw african-americans lifting plasma tv's not necassity, if it had been a couple loafs of bread thats cool but a plasma tv

<snip>

America=One nation under god!

Wait .... isn't pride a sin?

maybe it was because of the bias but i saw african-americans lifting plasma tv's not necassity, if it had been a couple loafs of bread thats cool but a plasma tv

Well if you can't eat, may as well be entertained.

And yet Abraham Lincoln was not forgotten. So your point there was really off.



You're allowed your opinion since you are not spiritual.



Yet you have a lot of teenage moms. Probably the highest in the world, you've never been outside your country. You see all in shades of pink but you've never been gray, you've never had to live with the poor and look at the ugly side of life and yet you think you can come and say we can't back our arguments? How can you back your arguments? It's a fact that in vietnam you were supplying both sides and your government sacrificed the lives of innocent american soldiers. And you call that a nation of Dreams? What dreams?! No, you keep believing what you want. You are entitled to defend your country but don't try to blind yourself from the reality. You're not outside so you can't see it. Americans are good people, I'll grant you that, yet you say you stand when something is wrong and the government pushes you aside. You guys are too many almost five times the size of my country and you think you can tell me all that bull, when your country has stopped the growth of my country by including small clauses into contracts forbidding us from creating competitive industries or they will pull their investments? You don't know anything, you're blinded because your goverment blinds you so don't come here and tell me 'I hate america bashers boohoo' If we bash it's for a reason. But we don't bash you, we bash your government who have deformed your nation and transformed it in something that if you were able to really see it you would have a different perspective but until then don't talk to me like you know. You are a patriot? So am I. And all the stuff you guys say about Irak, your government is there for the oil, the Iraki people don't want your ass there but the government keep them there, and who's dying? All latin americans, and you think your moral values are better than mine? You don't care about latinos, you simply send them like pigs to the slaughter because you hate ilegals, yet your country needs latinos to work, I don't see you planting seeds and picking up crops..no, you leave that to the latinos. So don't tell me you got better moral values, I don't discriminate you in fact in my country we welcome you like you're one of us and yet we go to yours and you strip search us. What's that tell you?! You think that's great? Then go ahead and believe whatever you want.



I'll grant you that. We sell it you consume it, that's what you all think anyways...



Finally we agree on something.



Yet you demand respect, preach with example.



You said you have trouble with your parents so I won't say nothing on that.



Given...



Yes It is harder but I'm willing to try and I'm succeeding...I hope someday you will too.



I'm not American so you can rest easy. I do love my country, I am just worried about it but there will come a time when I will be able to do something to improve it. And I will find out what.

1. I don't know what honest abe has to do with this.
2. You are the only person that didn't hate me after aying I'm no spiritual.
3. That doesn't mean none of us have morals. The fact is, alot of Americans do things, and never even consider the consequences.
4. MY country stopped the growth of yours, that sucks. But, I didnt do that did I? MY government did it. My Government Supplied those Governments.
5. The Government is in Iraq for the oil. It is true that some bombs were found, but after all the unecassary death, it's just too late.
6. You bash my Government not me, then why is it that all I hear is that Americans are bad not the Government? I didnt get any of that from you, for refrence.
7. Oh! So all the Americans dieing are latino! Send me proof of that if you please?
8. We stip search you because of the paranoia of terrorist. Again, get over it. Even I, a white boy, got striped at the airport.
9. Perhaps it was rude of me too say my country has morals as good as yours then say "maybe better." But, I stand by the fact that our morals are just as good as any others.
10. Yes, I hate illiegals sneaking into our country and setaling our jobs.
11. You make it, we buy it. Thats what I know. But I also know it's not just one country doing this too us, and it's dumb too think that.
12. We deamand respect, you don't like it, don't give it. But don't be an ass about it like oh so many.
13. You told me you were Latin/American so I assumed you were in AMerica. I'm sure you will find some way to help it. I live in a mid-low class community, so I will never be able afford to help my country, since it seems that that most important thing in election is money, and I can prove that.

was serbian people responsible for those massacers? no. did they pay the price? oh yes, in full. their country is collapsing in front of them, many children now have no parents and economy is collapsing because of the factories that were destroyed. soon kosovo will be lost simply because westren media portraits serbs as villans. you've elected clinton, he murdered those innocent people. yes, you are responsible, not nececeraly directly, yet you are. you've elected truman, he stole our lands, i think you're responsible ,yes.
christians? they elect whoever claims to be a conservative. you know why USA did not interve in spanish civil war (where christians were causing massacers of innocent peole)? because conservatives held roosevelt in check. and then we have balkan conflict again, full of religious hatered, irish conflict. if i do hate christians i hate them because they're deluded. they'll follow their leaders to death while they'll sit on a golden throne in name of the religion based on vague descriptions who might as well be hoaxh. when religion dies world peace shall live
We didnt elect Clinton or Truman or anybody. Have you ever heard of the Electoral College and the Popular vote? Basicaly, when an American votes, it means he is in favour of the person they voted for, but, it's the electoral college who gets together and decides who it will be. So, saying we put him their so where responsible is false. Besides, do you think we knew they'd do those thing?

We didnt elect Clinton or Truman or anybody. Have you ever heard of the Electoral College and the Popular vote? Basicaly, when an American votes, it means he is in favour of the person they voted for, but, it's the electoral college who gets together and decides who it will be. So, saying we put him their so where responsible is false. Besides, do you think we knew they'd do those thing?

so you do not vote your leaders and you let others do that? in my country the one who gets more votes wins and thats it. it has been so since 8th century in my country.

knew or not knew, you should knew democrats and republicans always go to war. had you've elected some other more rational party this might not occure.

http://www.2kgames.com/shatteredunion/home.php
Here is a possible future for the US. It sounds fun!!!:)

http://www.2kgames.com/shatteredunion/home.php
Here is a possible future for the US. It sounds fun!!!:)

Heard more bad things about it then good. I might check it out.....

so you do not vote your leaders and you let others do that? in my country the one who gets more votes wins and thats it. it has been so since 8th century in my country.

knew or not knew, you should knew democrats and republicans always go to war. had you've elected some other more rational party this might not occure.
Republicans and Democrats are the only people who run. The other parties we never hear about. And besides, even if we did vote for them the electoral college could just put another person in their. And ontop of that, how would we know that any other person we vote for would go too war also? And Still, even if we knew they'd go too war, we wouldn't know they'd do that?! And if that isn't enough, do you think we all agree'd with it? Do you think we wanted those people to die, even though we protested it, the only actual thing we could do about it.

We'll thats good thats you have those types of elections. But what do you want us too do about it? A real problem with the College is that is that very few Americans actualy know about the electoral college, for some reason. ANd so they are under the issusion that their votes matter.

American I may be, but recently I have starte to lose my faith in the Red White and Blue, and now all I can do is remind people of the Roman Empire, the former British Empire, the Nazi German Empire, the Soviet Union, the Japanese Empire, the Chinese Dynasty, the Mongolian Conquest among many, many, many more.

The United States of America might not fall, per se, but it is highly unlikely that it will remain in such a powerful position.

Heard more bad things about it then good. I might check it out.....
Well, actually I didn't mean the game itself.

Bottom line:

Saying that America is the chosen by god is just wrong, the chosen people were Israel if you don't believe so read the bible, God has bigger things to worry about than just your country or any other.

And I say America's people are not to blame. But their government keeps our governments from growing, that causes ilegals crossing the borders, among many other issues. Don't say ilegals steal your jobs...if your government minded it's own business then there wouldn't be as many. And the famous governator of California, that fool was an ilegal himself and now he says he's against ilegals, someone should slap some sense into that guy. Who elected his ass anyway?

Bottom line:

Saying that America is the chosen by god is just wrong, the chosen people were Israel if you don't believe so read the bible, God has bigger things to worry about than just your country or any other.

And I say America's people are not to blame. But their government keeps our governments from growing, that causes ilegals crossing the borders, among many other issues. Don't say ilegals steal your jobs...if your government minded it's own business then there wouldn't be as many. And the famous governator of California, that fool was an ilegal himself and now he says he's against ilegals, someone should slap some sense into that guy. Who elected his ass anyway?
I have to leave now so I'll leave things at this.
1. If there is a god, he did not bless America.
2.Our people are not to blame for what our Government does, because we are helpless to stop them, and have no say in what they do.
3. Perhaps they don't steal our jobs. But they come here illiegaly, then take jobs our people need only because they are willing to work for next to nothing.
4. What did Arnie ever do to you?
5. Who cares who elected him?

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!

huh...America is not a nation or a country.... its a continent! the country is the unitedd states of america

Republicans and Democrats are the only people who run. The other parties we never hear about. And besides, even if we did vote for them the electoral college could just put another person in their. And ontop of that, how would we know that any other person we vote for would go too war also? And Still, even if we knew they'd go too war, we wouldn't know they'd do that?! And if that isn't enough, do you think we all agree'd with it? Do you think we wanted those people to die, even though we protested it, the only actual thing we could do about it.

We'll thats good thats you have those types of elections. But what do you want us too do about it? A real problem with the College is that is that very few Americans actualy know about the electoral college, for some reason. ANd so they are under the issusion that their votes matter.

libertarian party is getting support i hear. kkk got a few seats in missisipi as well i heard. there are many parties for you to vote, there were many on last elections. if you cant vote, then why the hell do you put up with it? why dont you protest like everywhere around the world? your country, your responsibility. and yes, you should have learned from history. how many wars did democrats and republicans made? lots. and people who organise pro war rallies show just the opposite.

if that is true, then why neither republicans nor democrats will start yelling about that? after all, if someone is preventing them a chance to win they've should. or do they just want to keep secret and share the country. a little thm, a little us

libertarian party is getting support i hear. kkk got a few seats in missisipi as well i heard. there are many parties for you to vote, there were many on last elections. if you cant vote, then why the hell do you put up with it? why dont you protest like everywhere around the world? your country, your responsibility. and yes, you should have learned from history. how many wars did democrats and republicans made? lots. and people who organise pro war rallies show just the opposite.

if that is true, then why neither republicans nor democrats will start yelling about that? after all, if someone is preventing them a chance to win they've should. or do they just want to keep secret and share the country. a little thm, a little us
First off, screw the KKK. Second, it doesnt matter how much support they get, if they can't put out advertisments, they'll never get voted for, thats a fact and I can back it up. Whats the point of pretesting, my Government won't listen? Learn from history, and do what? Just stop voting? If we didnt vote, the electoral college would still put somone there. And those pro war organizers, just like protestors, the Government doesnt listen.

They don't yell about it because they put it there?! It was agreed between both parties to have it. To be honest, I would not be suprised if their was a conspiracy. I'll tell you why. 1, no one knows who is in the College except the two parties, so it's possible that they could bride the people in the party. 2, Nobody knows anything else about the College except the party, nobody! 3, their are no regulations on them in any way.

Long Answer:
In the event the US survives the nest 5 billion years, we (and the rest of the planet) will be engulfed by the exploding sun. :)

Short Answer:
No.

http://www.2kgames.com/shatteredunion/home.php
Here is a possible future for the US. It sounds fun!!!:)

That is not called for on the tread.......Go post some crap somewhere else you god dang freak!

First off, screw the KKK. Second, it doesnt matter how much support they get, if they can't put out advertisments, they'll never get voted for, thats a fact and I can back it up. Whats the point of pretesting, my Government won't listen? Learn from history, and do what? Just stop voting? If we didnt vote, the electoral college would still put somone there. And those pro war organizers, just like protestors, the Government doesnt listen.

They don't yell about it because they put it there?! It was agreed between both parties to have it. To be honest, I would not be suprised if their was a conspiracy. I'll tell you why. 1, no one knows who is in the College except the two parties, so it's possible that they could bride the people in the party. 2, Nobody knows anything else about the College except the party, nobody! 3, their are no regulations on them in any way.

kkk was but an example, i agree, they are scum. as mao tsetung said, a single spark starts a praire fire. perhaps you should protest rather than sit at home and let them continue to rule. join a smaller party and give a few proposals. waiting for messiah wont do any good. true, war protests dont matter. what matters is that those people support killing and dont care about innocent lives.

then how come you know? why are people not angry at bush for cheating his first mandate? i'd rebel against such system with all means. after all, if this is a dictatorship, then why dont you bring it down? why do you bring others down instead?

That is not called for on the tread.......Go post some crap somewhere else you god dang freak!
STFU, fucktard. He can post what he wants. The fact is, it's certainly a possibility, and you should respect that.

According to Max, as long as someone logs in at least once a month then the nation that is the USA will remain undeleted:)

This made me laugh!

America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom.

Yeah justice to those in the past who did not have red skin... I guess freedom includes confining Shoshone, Sioux, Navaho, and countless other tribes to small, overcrowded and agricultrally useless settlements.

Check out the Sand Creek Massacre on Wikipedia and you'll find out how 'just' America was in the past.

No nation lasts for ever. Duh. :rolleyes:

In fact, in the long run, nothing lasts forever. Eventually, the sun will go nova and the Earth will die. Many many years after that, and the universe will die.

And then? Well... Finis.


Actually two comments need to be made.

1) I think you meant the sun will go supernova, and explode. A nova is a somewhat different phenomenon, and

2) the sun won't go supernova, it doesn't have enough mass. What will happen is the sun will expand to a Red Giant, then earth will become uninhabitable, then after the sun ejects it outer layers in a planetary nebula, it will be left as a White Dwarf, and eventually fade away.

I have to leave now so I'll leave things at this.
1. If there is a god, he did not bless America.
2.Our people are not to blame for what our Government does, because we are helpless to stop them, and have no say in what they do.
3. Perhaps they don't steal our jobs. But they come here illiegaly, then take jobs our people need only because they are willing to work for next to nothing.
4. What did Arnie ever do to you?
5. Who cares who elected him?

For point:

1. I won't get into spiritual debate with you since we already agreed on that.
2. Given that your people are not to blame. But if you are not capable of electing your leaders and protest against your government, then where is this so called 'Land of the Free', that you so adamantly sing about in your national anthem...being able to use your flag as an underwear doesn't guarantee freedom, it's a joke against your patriot symbols, not respect or admiration...If you can't stand against your government is because you haven't tried hard enough or your best is not good enough...It's your right as a citizen to question your leaders and even protest against them if you are not ok with what they're doing...
3. Yet are you willing to harvest crops? Clean houses? Clean buildings? No you're not. Why? because you think it's below you, like it or not you need those people there to clean your mess wether you like it or not and the day they disappear who's going to do it? Not you or any other...you'll want THEM. Because you don't talk about them as people you say Those people.
4. That idiot is killing ilegals and those ilegals are my fellow countrymen that in their desperation to survive go to persue your famous american dream but it's all bull.
5. I want to know who's ass I'm gonna kick..

Today's empires, tommorow's ashes...

Yes, the US will last forever in my heart! awwww *waves a flag and salutes General George W.Bush* May his military prowess lead us to victory over the Moslems who are, as a whole, destroying the world because they hate freedom.

We didnt elect Clinton or Truman or anybody. Have you ever heard of the Electoral College and the Popular vote? Basicaly, when an American votes, it means he is in favour of the person they voted for, but, it's the electoral college who gets together and decides who it will be. So, saying we put him their so where responsible is false. Besides, do you think we knew they'd do those thing?

Actually, in most states, if not all, there are provisions that require the electors to vote with the popular vote. Most states also require all electoral votes to follow the popular vote of the whole state, although some states (there are one or two) do allow their electors to split by how their individual districts to vote.

Sorry, I'm too lazy to read through the entire thread to find out if someone else has already pointed this out, but....

The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all.

Well, I for one am glad it wasn't the American tailors or American shoemakers!




And for what it's worth....

All the other systems were Monarchy and so on.

I'm sure the Venetian Republic would have been highly surprised to discover they were a monarchy.

Today's empires, tommorow's ashes...
That's a great album. :)

Propaghandi right?

Sorry, I'm too lazy to read through the entire thread to find out if someone else has already pointed this out, but....



Well, I for one am glad it wasn't the American tailors or American shoemakers!




And for what it's worth....



I'm sure the Venetian Republic would have been highly surprised to discover they were a monarchy.

That'd be cobblers, eh? You forgot the American haberdashers.

America=One nation under god!

HAHAHAHAAHAHA... no.

HAHAHAHAAHAHA... no.

Another common mistranslation of the bible, right up there with it being God that creates the Earth 60,000 years ago, rather than the other way around.

America is actually one nation slightly to the left, and several metaphysical miles North of god.

Yes, the US will last forever in my heart! awwww *waves a flag and salutes General George W.Bush* May his military prowess lead us to victory over the Moslems who are, as a whole, destroying the world because they hate freedom.
*single tear rolls from eye as an eagle and 13-striped flag, wafting gently in the pure american air, fades into background*


god bless your country.

I think it's a troll.
the OP and the UN Ambassadorship.


or puppets.

could drunk commies be having us all on again?

6. I am in support of the death penalty. Their are people in this world whom are too ruthless and evil to be allowed to live anomg the civilised and compassionat.
you call yourself "compassionate" even though you are wiling to sanction the ending of a human life? :confused:



sorry, i'm just having fun reading through this thread. it's retarded :p
i'll stop now...

Americans are so obsessed with being seen as "the best" that they even invented their own religion (Mormonism) to say they are.

It's already dead, isn't it?

America never existed in the first place.

America never existed in the first place.
no! America has always existed, since the dawn of time, as the jewel in God's mighty plan for creation, the shining light out of the entire universe (which only took seven days to make by the way, jolly good deal with the contracters - plasterers were done in less than 20 minutes! bargain!) and... yeah... stuff and shit.


*grumbles incoherently*

kkk was but an example, i agree, they are scum. as mao tsetung said, a single spark starts a praire fire. perhaps you should protest rather than sit at home and let them continue to rule. join a smaller party and give a few proposals. waiting for messiah wont do any good. true, war protests dont matter. what matters is that those people support killing and dont care about innocent lives.

then how come you know? why are people not angry at bush for cheating his first mandate? i'd rebel against such system with all means. after all, if this is a dictatorship, then why dont you bring it down? why do you bring others down instead?
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAH! Are you retarded? Join a smaller party=Less money. Money=Power in America. This works a simple way thanks too TV. All you have to do is promote yourself on American TV. With the right words, you can get people to think however you want. Hell, you could probaly get people to join the Nazi's if you worked hard enough. In short, the weak parties are helpless, so it would be point;ess along with the protesting. ANd if you can't tell, everyone in AMerica hates Bush, everyone.

Second, I know because they teach you it in Government class, the parties just don't say anything about it. And about those pro war jerks. They shouldn't protest something like war. Like my Grandfather used too say, war isn't a good thing, but if the cause your fighting for is good then that justifies the war. He fought in WWII, not Vietnam or any of those wars.

Last, I don't bring down anybody. The Government does, and we get killed along with those people. And we can't just rebel.

Americans are so obsessed with being seen as "the best" that they even invented their own religion (Mormonism) to say they are.

It's so funny because someone I knew was a desendant of the founding fathers of mormonism and he kept getting phonecalls from Americans trying to give him loads of free stuff like cars and holidays just because of his parentage! I wish I was of the same descent!:cool:

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAH! Are you retarded? Join a smaller party=Less money. Money=Power in America. This works a simple way thanks too TV. All you have to do is promote yourself on American TV. With the right words, you can get people to think however you want. Hell, you could probaly get people to join the Nazi's if you worked hard enough. In short, the weak parties are helpless, so it would be point;ess along with the protesting. ANd if you can't tell, everyone in AMerica hates Bush, everyone.

Second, I know because they teach you it in Government class, the parties just don't say anything about it. And about those pro war jerks. They shouldn't protest something like war. Like my Grandfather used too say, war isn't a good thing, but if the cause your fighting for is good then that justifies the war. He fought in WWII, not Vietnam or any of those wars.

Last, I don't bring down anybody. The Government does, and we get killed along with those people. And we can't just rebel.

fine than, sit at home, enjoy watching tv. i am a member of smaller party and guess what! we got free 5 minute show on tv program(1 or 2 minutes, add or take)! we have no paper, no promotion (apart from mentioned above) and yet we've scored 6 out of 90 seats in parlament. yes, i'm quite found to belive that smaller parties can get successful.

yet they do protest. because they can. they exprese their opinions and that is "we support killing!". my grandfather fought in ww2 as well. and so did my friend's grandfather. and what happened to him? liberated territories had to be handed over. now he lives in foreign country. all he fought for was in vain and all because superpowers decided so. good war, but for who? same will happen to serbian militiamen sooner or later

then i belive you'll bear responsibility of your nation. people rebeled in many countries before. i dont know why they've couldnt in america. a more visible protest would be enough i belive

Your wish is well and truly my command.

First off, it's "I can't wait to hear the anti-American folks".

And secondly, how is America any more blessed than any other nation?

It's a nation founded upon genocide and slavery, that for some reason thinks it's exempt from the rest of the world's rules, whilst trying to "spread democracy" and ignore the the fact that Bush stole the election in 2000 and debatably in 2004.

It's also the most warmongering nation on the planet, and supports all of the wrong people in places around the world.

Also, the death penalty is stupid, and I hate your horribly xenophobic culture that puts the US first over everyone else.

Ah - and one thing that's always been in the back of my mind - why do you find "Allah Akhbar" offensive, whilst thinking that "God Bless America" is OK?


for the love of God, shut up

No one ever screamed "God Bless America" before they detonated an explosive vest in a market place full of women and children.


Despite all those working feverishly against America, we will last as long, long time. And when we do fold, it'll be our own doing, our own mistake.


But all the blathering self-loathing douchebags in here will be long gone and unable to enjoy that wet dream.

The government of the United States will most certainly not exist forever. Even if it were never wiped out by human means, the eventual big chill or big crush of the universe would bring an end to the US. I believe the answer is clearly and concisely presented by me. Worship on the altar of my rightness!

No one ever screamed "God Bless America" before they detonated an explosive vest in a market place full of women and children.

Now that you've brought it up, someone will do it.

I tend to agree with much of what you've said, but America, despite its uniqueness and capacity for self-renewal, must someday pass from center stage just like all nations throughout history. The best we can hope for is that the transition will be peaceful and democratic.

Considering just how the global economy links most nations these days, and the increasing scarcity of oil, the transition is likely to be bloody and result in a resource war that will span for however long there are people to fight them and oil to run it on.

I'm sure, provided s/he exists, that God would not want you bragging about how great America is.

We are not, and never have been a nation of justice and freedom. The fact that you can even say that shows your true ignorance...

Oh, and the sex and the drugs: All your big businessmen: they do shitloads of drugs. And your priests rape little boys.

You are a moron and that's final.



you said we...you count yourself as an american....that means that your just as bad as america.. so shouln't you hate yourself.

just shut up you liberal hippie. you blindly follow what seems to be the most radical point of view becuase your just too damn insecure. your probably a poor little bastard living in a trailor. or no...not a trailor your probably middle class but you have no right to categorize your entire country. sex and drugs...uhh small portion of the country...like not even large enough to be counted as a percentage...big businessmen...its called free market capitalism dumbass its one of those freedoms...remember...the ones you said we dont have. and the priests..there have been like 20 out of the THOUSANDS of priests.

and because you didnt realize that it just goes to show you that YOUR a moron.

look people. if your not an american you dont know what it means to be an american. you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. you find one fault in the american system and you can twist and mangle that fault using all the loopholes avaliable to you, and you get this horribly skewed view of americans as evil genocidal maniacs. America has made mistakes, some have been large others have been small, but every nation makes mistakes. its a fact of government its a fact of life. We americans have sarcaficed so much to be in the position we're in right now. yes every empire falls. no america will not last forever in its current state. but before you go and bash america for some small insignificant detail like as one person said...priest molesting altar boys...thats not a problem with america, thats a personal issue. so just try to understand what america is, and actually look at a situation from a rational point of view before you go running your mouths about how horrible america is. and dont be stupid and say "well there is no rational way to look at the iraq war," ok because then you just look like a liberal hippie. Try to learn about a situation. dont blindly follow because then you'll never have a true point of view.


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No! America will burn for its stupidity! And I'm not Christian. But I am American. So thank you.
And u will burn for ur stupidity.

Everything has an end.

American people are not guilty of anything. It's not their fault they have a lying, deceitful, nosey, war hungry government...among other things

American people are not guilty of anything. It's not their fault they have a lying, deceitful, nosey, war hungry government...among other things
They reelected him, though. And you know, as the saying goes "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." :D

At least that's how it goes in Crawford, Texas.

for the love of God, shut up

No one ever screamed "God Bless America" before they detonated an explosive vest in a market place full of women and children.But there are people that say "God bless you..." to bombs...

They reelected him, though. And you know, as the saying goes "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." :D

At least that's how it goes in Crawford, Texas.
Aye. One of my favourite Bushisms :p

They reelected him, though. And you know, as the saying goes "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." :D

At least that's how it goes in Crawford, Texas.

True but when you are stuck with two candidates and neither convince you then what do you do? I've been hearing a lot that Bush got reelected because Kerry had nothing to go on against him...

look people. if your not an american you dont know what it means to be an american. you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. you find one fault in the american system and you can twist and mangle that fault using all the loopholes avaliable to you, and you get this horribly skewed view of americans as evil genocidal maniacs. America has made mistakes, some have been large others have been small, but every nation makes mistakes. its a fact of government its a fact of life. We americans have sarcaficed so much to be in the position we're in right now. yes every empire falls. no america will not last forever in its current state. but before you go and bash america for some small insignificant detail like as one person said...priest molesting altar boys...thats not a problem with america, thats a personal issue. so just try to understand what america is, and actually look at a situation from a rational point of view before you go running your mouths about how horrible america is. and dont be stupid and say "well there is no rational way to look at the iraq war," ok because then you just look like a liberal hippie. Try to learn about a situation. dont blindly follow because then you'll never have a true point of view.


:upyours:

How rational of you...If I do not agree with a war I am a liberal hippie, if I do not like the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA then you give me the finger, and even then you ask me to be rational...

Hello Troll!

look people. if your not an american you dont know what it means to be an american. you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. you find one fault in the american system and you can twist and mangle that fault using all the loopholes avaliable to you, and you get this horribly skewed view of americans as evil genocidal maniacs. America has made mistakes, some have been large others have been small, but every nation makes mistakes. its a fact of government its a fact of life. We americans have sarcaficed so much to be in the position we're in right now. yes every empire falls. no america will not last forever in its current state. but before you go and bash america for some small insignificant detail like as one person said...priest molesting altar boys...thats not a problem with america, thats a personal issue. so just try to understand what america is, and actually look at a situation from a rational point of view before you go running your mouths about how horrible america is. and dont be stupid and say "well there is no rational way to look at the iraq war," ok because then you just look like a liberal hippie. Try to learn about a situation. dont blindly follow because then you'll never have a true point of view.


:upyours:

Okay, let's go over this. I am an American, USian, citizen of the United States of America, etc. etc.

For that matter, couldn't we call the way any American or Americans act personal problems? Or anyone else for that matter?

Murder? It's a personal problem. Eroding of civil liberties? Personal problem. Slavery? Personal problem on the part of the slave owners. Massive genocide against all people who do not fit a certain stereotype of the 'real' humans? Personal problem.

Another thing. how much of what we sacrificed was ours to sacrifice?

How rational of you...If I do not agree with a war I am a liberal hippie, if I do not like the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA then you give me the finger, and even then you ask me to be rational...

Hello Troll!

How funny and true :D

Simple answer - NO

Ask the Romans about what happened to their immortality.

Live with it, please.

We, non citizens of the United States, even if we are americans, are not entitled to like you, your country, or even more your goverment. It happens, accept it. The liberty you are supposed to uphold gives us that right.

Simple answer - NO

Ask the Romans about what happened to their immortality.
Or the Thousand Year Reich, or the british empi... Oh, Americans know all about that one, sorry.

Or the Thousand Year Reich, or the british empi... Oh, Americans know all about that one, sorry.

Well, Britain is still around, it's just not as powerful as before. Of course, Britain won't be around for ever either.

True but when you are stuck with two candidates and neither convince you then what do you do? I've been hearing a lot that Bush got reelected because Kerry had nothing to go on against him...
Nominating a Senator is almost always a recipe for losing the election. The last person who went from the Senate to the White House was Kennedy, and he needed some help from the Daley machine in Chicago. Of the last four Presidents, three were governors (Reagan, Clinotn & W). Bush I rode in on Reagan's coat-tails.

Maybe the US wont always be the superpower it is, but there are certain things to consider. 1) It's a huge country with vast resources, and an almost limitless agricultural capacity. This almost ensures it will always be a world player. 2) The US's constitutional form of government does a pretty good job (note: not perfect) of keeping the country on a pretty even keel politcally speaking. 3) Birth rates and immigration help to keep a healthy and growing population to meet the demands of labor, production, and innovation.

The US's biggest challenges are keeping incentive for production going, especially with competion from countries with growing economies, or cheap labor forces that do not have the laws and protections established in the US. Also there is the need for cultural assimiliation and education, both which lead to an understanding of how the governemnt works and what the constitution ensures as far as rights, and the limits of government.

So starting with that, I would say the United States will always remain a world Superpower. We were a superpower in the thirties during the great depression, if you want an example. The US may not remain the only Superpower, or even the biggest, but it will always be a contender, and a force in world politics.

Have you ever heard of the Roman Empire?

We aren't an Empire. We're a Democratic Republic.

Maybe the US wont always be the superpower it is, but there are certain things to consider. 1) It's a huge country with vast resources, and an almost limitless agricultural capacity. This almost ensures it will always be a world player. 2) The US's constitutional form of government does a pretty good job (note: not perfect) of keeping the country on a pretty even keel politcally speaking. 3) Birth rates and immigration help to keep a healthy and growing population to meet the demands of labor, production, and innovation.

The US's biggest challenges are keeping incentive for production going, especially with competion from countries with growing economies, or cheap labor forces that do not have the laws and protections established in the US. Also there is the need for cultural assimiliation and education, both which lead to an understanding of how the governemnt works and what the constitution ensures as far as rights, and the limits of government.

So starting with that, I would say the United States will always remain a world Superpower. We were a superpower in the thirties during the great depression, if you want an example. The US may not remain the only Superpower, or even the biggest, but it will always be a contender, and a force in world politics.
Always it quite a while, extending until after America's resources have disappeared, and after the earth has become uninhabitable.

We aren't an Empire. We're a Democratic Republic.


I use this reference only to picture our fate. We are following a bad path.

look people. if your not an american you dont know what it means to be an american. you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. you find one fault in the american system and you can twist and mangle that fault using all the loopholes avaliable to you, and you get this horribly skewed view of americans as evil genocidal maniacs. America has made mistakes, some have been large others have been small, but every nation makes mistakes. its a fact of government its a fact of life. We americans have sarcaficed so much to be in the position we're in right now. yes every empire falls. no america will not last forever in its current state. but before you go and bash america for some small insignificant detail like as one person said...priest molesting altar boys...thats not a problem with america, thats a personal issue. so just try to understand what america is, and actually look at a situation from a rational point of view before you go running your mouths about how horrible america is. and dont be stupid and say "well there is no rational way to look at the iraq war," ok because then you just look like a liberal hippie. Try to learn about a situation. dont blindly follow because then you'll never have a true point of view.


:upyours:

All our contries get bashed too so get over it. People like to rub in our faces that we're third world countries, and so we get over it. You try it too.

You sing so adamantly about the 'Land of the free' and yet many of you say that the elections in the US are decided by thrid parties not popular election so that's not freedom. Also when you look at a black man, that's what you see a black man, a latinamerican, an asianamerican, an arab american. You discriminate even if you don't mean to. Those social groups suffer, they are not as free as the white man and as long as this kind of government stays in power that's the way it's gonna be. Once that changes then go ahead and sing about the land of the free...

there was a guy at my work and for some reason he was telling me about some type of material they use. he was saying "this stuff is really tough and wont break or tear easy. once you put it on its not going to need replacing." so i then say something along the lines of "so this stuff pretty much lasts forever?" and he quickly shouted in a stern voice "NO!, nothing lasts forever it says that in the bible"

point of the story is , if the nation is blessed by God and the bible is the book of God and this guy was right that it says nothing lasts forever in the bible. then no, the united states will not last forever.

there was a guy at my work and for some reason he was telling me about some type of material they use. he was saying "this stuff is really tough and wont break or tear easy. once you put it on its not going to need replacing." so i then say something along the lines of "so this stuff pretty much lasts forever?" and he quickly shouted in a stern voice "NO!, nothing lasts forever it says that in the bible"

point of the story is , if the nation is blessed by God and the bible is the book of God and this guy was right that it says nothing lasts forever in the bible. then no, the united states will not last forever.


True, only god is everlasting

i think the american empire will last forever. (http://www.bushisantichrist.com/)

(i know i know i've posted this link on other threads as well, but i just think its funny)

True, only god is everlasting

Unless there is no god :p

Unless there is no god :p

ahhhhhh

blasphemy

i am a part of your crime for even reading what your wrote

we will burn for eternity together

ahhhhhhhhh

now get the beautiful darkness to read it, if im stuck somewhere for eternity might as well make it good scenery

ahhhhhh

blasphemy

i am a part of your crime for even reading what your wrote

we will burn for eternity together

ahhhhhhhhh

now get the beautiful darkness to read it, if im stuck somewhere for eternity might as well make it good scenery

Oh noes!

Ok, I am not trying to offend anyone who isnt American. I belive that America is a nation blessed by god. I feel that god wants America to survive. America in the PAST has shown to support Justice and Freedom. America has also been a place where if you needed help America will be their to help you, According to history that is a fact. America is NOT of perfect nations. It has made terrible and deadly mistakes! But when those mistakes were made they fixed them. Like when America defeted Mexico and Japan the helped them get back on their feet even though we slamed them into the dirt. I also belive America is "uniqe" When America was founded it was the only type of goverment system on earth. All the other systems were Monarchy and so on. Also America was the only nation in the world to defeat the largest emprie in the world with just farmers. That tells you America is strong. Do you know why many communist and sutch nations hate america. One reason is its goverment type. It has shown to work and it works even better if it is capitalizt. All the America Haters have horrid country's and a crappy goverment who has not been as lucky. The America hatters have the ideas on person or group rules all. While America's idea is all rule the goverment. I think a nation who cares for others and it own people and work buy the bible and a code of laws is uniqe and blessed in gods eyes. Even though that America is not shown it will be seen again in the future and nation of morals,wealth,strength and religion........Not a nation of drugs,BIG goverment,pornography,sins and so on. The world needs to wait for America to gets its god dang act together. But no matter what people do to America in my heart i have a feeling America will prevail...:)

America=One nation under god!
:headbang:
2 things.

1= I'm under the impression the governments, never mind the populations, of several prominent European countries are quite strongly against you at the minute. I never knew that multi-party democracies were so much worse than an unrepresentative 2 party system. Silly me.

2= Several countries have beaten great world powers with farmers. It's called a militia. Just off the top of my head: Ireland(Britain), Germany(Rome), Greece(Persia)....

Just cuz a nation has so far been doing well in wars doesent mean it always will. if you don't nbelieve me read up on the history of the roman empire, which was once a millitary superpower, but later on collapsed.

Just cuz a nation has so far been doing well in wars doesent mean it always will. if you don't nbelieve me read up on the history of the roman empire, which was once a millitary superpower, but later on collapsed.

Yeah, but times have changed...and nations dont really rise and fall like they use to. We live in an age of (like it or not) internationalism....and countries are [logically] more likely to stick around for alot longer in an international world with bodies like the UN...EU...ect.

Yeah, but times have changed...and nations dont really rise and fall like they use to. We live in an age of (like it or not) internationalism....and countries are [logically] more likely to stick around for alot longer in an international world with bodies like the UN...EU...ect.

That is still no guarantee that it will not fall. The UN has been around for many years and countries have separated and created new countries and all under their noses and economies have fallen and they're not able to do anything so it doesn't matter if the UN is around. Like I said it's no guaratee.

for the love of God, shut up

No one ever screamed "God Bless America" before they detonated an explosive vest in a market place full of women and children.
Indeed, Bush and Rumsfeld usually do it when they're calling in an airstrike in a small middle-eastern town which might be "harbouring insurgents".

So similar, and yet, so different. One takes a degree of courage, the other takes only a whim and a couple of lines down a radio.
Despite all those working feverishly against America, we will last as long, long time. And when we do fold, it'll be our own doing, our own mistake.
Well seeing as you claim to be in charge of the whole world or somesuch, everything's your own mistake. So yeah, that's a perfectly accurate statement, apart from you can change "we will last a long, long time" to "until the oil runs out, at which point we're buggered".
But all the blathering self-loathing douchebags in here will be long gone and unable to enjoy that wet dream.
Shocking as this may sound do you, but it's not only people with low self-confidence that dislike the US' way of doing things.

And I don't think that the destruction of a nation and everyone in it is anyone's "wet dream" as you so eloquentely put it (keeping aside Deep Kimchi and Whittier--- here).

That is still no guarantee that it will not fall. The UN has been around for many years and countries have separated and created new countries and all under their noses and economies have fallen and they're not able to do anything so it doesn't matter if the UN is around. Like I said it's no guaratee.

Yes...but as we progress the nations of the worlds economies will become more and more entangled....thus making it HARDER for nations to fall. Anyway, argue all you want but the times have changed and we dont really live in the era of nation-states anymore.

Everything has it's time from countries to religions everything has it's time no the US will not last forever it may not even be a world power in my life but it will probably still be around. Everything has it's time thats all it is it is not a question of if the country no matter what political system they have is going to collapse but a question of when. It's just like life only longer Your born nobody really takes a whole lot of notice or really takes you seriously because your the new kid on the block, you grow up and in general you have your hay-day get success whatever, then after you reach your peak you start to get older maybe gradually burn out or just total utter colapse whatever it happens has since the beginnning of time.

BTW talking about the bible and rome the bible which say as you like to say all things must end well the bible was written by a roman pagen so how much can you say it favors any country god or whoever it doesn't matter romans were fans of god and thats when the started to fall apart so who knows.

also at all times there have been governments who were unique greece, rome all had there days to be unique and as a matter of fact no government system has been proven to work it may work temporarily for a couple of hundred years remember the earth is like 4 billion years old. And monarcy worked for many years more then democracy in fact it is still working in some places, empires lasted far more many years then any democracy has so far. So there you go nothing has been proven successful.

And as for america caring about other people thats bs the US only cares about money. Which is why it is a capitalist naton. Now what makes you think communisim is bad as a matter of fact It is not evil or bad the leaders and inventors of comunsim took a good idea and killed it(That is the Marxist/Engels) idea. Also I like to think they got kind of unlucky and got crazy leaders(I.E. Stalin and kim) Trust me a democracy could get just as many cukoos as any one else. And as for working by the bible the only bible the Us works by is the bible of money.

Yes...but as we progress the nations of the worlds economies will become more and more entangled....thus making it HARDER for nations to fall. Anyway, argue all you want but the times have changed and we dont really live in the era of nation-states anymore.

True but once the oil is gone what are you gonna do next? And don't forget China is rising(even if you and I don't like it but they are). What then? Maybe the US won't disappear but it's power will surely decrease. Look at the British, they're still there. So is Rome but it's smaller than they ever thought it would be. Greece and Egypt are here too. Russia is there as well and they haven't disappeared, they only lost their status, Germany did too so that is what I'm talking about. The time for the US will come and it's status will be lost.

It can't. Once China has assumed its superpower status, our overlords will take their rightful place in the world as its masters. It's only inevitable that we'll fall, despite our democratic system (depending on how you view it).

Actually two comments need to be made.

1) I think you meant the sun will go supernova, and explode. A nova is a somewhat different phenomenon, and

2) the sun won't go supernova, it doesn't have enough mass. What will happen is the sun will expand to a Red Giant, then earth will become uninhabitable, then after the sun ejects it outer layers in a planetary nebula, it will be left as a White Dwarf, and eventually fade away.
Hurrah for physics!

so the sun is not going tommy lee rock band because it doesn't have enough mass.lol jk

Live forever?

Well, so far... so good! :)

I think America will be here a long time and if the usa dies the states that make them up would probaly rule themselves. But thier is something diffrent about America then their is any other country in the world...And i also think that the reason why we are so diffrent from the world because were so far away. Just think nothing really spread cultrally to the U.S so we made are own sports and culture....cough....religion....!