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PK 3: Germany

GGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Padolski

3-1 Germany

Podolski scores! 3-1 to Germany!

PK 3: Argentina

GGGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rodrequiz

3-2 Germany

Rodriguez scores. 3-2 to Germany.

JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Borowski! 4-2 to Germany!

PK 4: Germany

GGGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Borowski

4-2 Germany

Lehmann SAVES! Germany win! YAYYYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!

PK 4: Argentina

SSSSAAAAVVVVVEEEDDDD

Germany wins 4-2 on PKs

ANd I won the poll :D

germany Wins

omg we made it

Argentina, sore losers ... some problem on the pitch.

Come on, WYTYG, give us a kiss. We're through! :p:) :p :) :p

DEUTSCHLAND!!!!!111

:eek:

Heinze, what are you doing???

Congratulations to Germany and to Corneliu for his prediction.

Come on, WYTYG, give us a kiss. We're through! :p:) :p :) :p


Oh, alright:


*smoooooooooch*

:p You gotta share it, though.


Semi finals, here we come! *dances*

Congratulations to Germany and to Corneliu for his prediction.

*bows*

Damn.

Damn damn damn, idiots (after match)

well it was a thriller. I supposed it would be (My choice on the poll was Argentina on penalties). I have to admit I wished Argentina would win but I'm not devastated by the result either. Germany has played well. And I'm happy that the host isn't out.

well, no more thrillers tonight. Can't wait 'til England-Portugal. :D

Me loves football :D

Germany face either Italy or Ukraine now.

GO UKRAINE

You know what? Fuck political correctness, I'm singing it.

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält,
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt.

Germany's winning play was a nice knee to the goalie's midsection. Must be a new rule in place since I was last a goalkeeper that when a goalie goes up for the ball in the Goal Area leaving himself completely vulnerable is is LEGAL to knee him in the chest. They should use that play more often. With all the red cards in this tournament one of the most deserving goes unpunished.

You know what? Fuck political correctness, I'm singing it.

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält,
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt.

*doesn't know it but sings anyway*

- snip -
Next time, maybe try the real text, not the old offensive one, if you have to:

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach lasst uns alle streben brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit sind des Glückes Unterpfand;
|: Blüh im Glanze dieses Glückes, blühe, deutsches Vaterland!

it had to be this verse, didn#t it? :rolleyes:

That verse just has more gusto. I don't see what's wrong with it, if you interpret it correctly.

Germany's winning play was a nice knee to the goalie's midsection. Must be a new rule in place since I was last a goalkeeper that when a goalie goes up for the ball in the Goal Area leaving himself completely vulnerable is is LEGAL to knee him in the chest. They should use that play more often. With all the red cards in this tournament one of the most deserving goes unpunished.

Germany's winning play was made by Jose Pekerman, when he made defensive substitutions.

Germany's winning play was a nice knee to the goalie's midsection. Must be a new rule in place since I was last a goalkeeper that when a goalie goes up for the ball in the Goal Area leaving himself completely vulnerable is is LEGAL to knee him in the chest. They should use that play more often. With all the red cards in this tournament one of the most deserving goes unpunished.

It wasn't a deliberate knee, though. And it didn't look so hard. I'll say this much: football players are fragile.

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles!

My god that was close. Germany better win it all now!

Germany's winning play was made by Jose Pekerman, when he made defensive substitutions.

He made the unfortunate mistake of thinking that Germany was done for, so he put on his defence. Wrong answer.

Next time, maybe try the real text, not the old offensive one, if you have to:

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach lasst uns alle streben brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit sind des Glückes Unterpfand;
|: Blüh im Glanze dieses Glückes, blühe, deutsches Vaterland!

Oh, come on, don't be mean. :( We won!

Germany's winning play was made by Jose Pekerman, when he made defensive substitutions.
But as much as Agentina dominated the regular time, we definitely played very well all through overtime.

Germany face either Italy or Ukraine now.

GO UKRAINE

That's where I placed my bet.

Oh, come on, don't be mean. :( We won!That's why I edited the "mean" one and put up that one. No hard feelings.

Germany wins again! But I will admit this was their worst match this World Cup. Germany cannot play like this again. They have to play like they did during the Swedes.

I've got the entire game as 8Gb of video ripped from HDTV, uber!

But as much as Agentina dominated the regular time, we definitely played very well all through overtime.

Actually, I think Germany had the better of it after Argentina scored, with the exception of a bit of trouble at the start of second extra time.

I feel sorry for the Argies; it must really suck to go out this way, especially after that goal of theirs.

I feel sorry for the Argies; it must really suck to go out this way, especially after that goal of theirs.

Yeah, totally. Poor Argentinians. :(

Germany's winning play was a nice knee to the goalie's midsection. Must be a new rule in place since I was last a goalkeeper that when a goalie goes up for the ball in the Goal Area leaving himself completely vulnerable is is LEGAL to knee him in the chest. They should use that play more often. With all the red cards in this tournament one of the most deserving goes unpunished.

You're a total JERK! Klose didn't knee the guy intentionally. The goalie should've known better than to go up against the German defense who dominate the air so well in these matches.

On top of that, the goalie was playing it up. He wasn't hit that hard. He was stalling the game, in hopes of getting Argentina the win. IT's something they've always done. They're well known in Germany as a team full of actors, not athletes.

And Argentina should be fined and banned from the next Cup for attacking the Germans after the match was officially over. If anything, the most deserving red cards go to the Argentines.

I've got the entire game as 8Gb of video ripped from HDTV, uber!

Unlucky you. It wasn't the best of games. The first half was dull, and the second half a mixture of frantic and stupid.

Germany wins again! But I will admit this was their worst match this World Cup. Germany cannot play like this again. They have to play like they did during the Swedes.

It wasn't so much bad Germany play, as it was Argentina being quality opposition. Most other teams play defensive, and Germany can rip right through their defence. Argentina plays more offensive, and that gave Germany trouble.

You're a total JERK! Klose didn't knee the guy intentionally. The goalie should've known better than to go up against the German defense who dominate the air so well in these matches.

On top of that, the goalie was playing it up. He wasn't hit that hard. He was stalling the game, in hopes of getting Argentina the win. IT's something they've always done. They're well known in Germany as a team full of actors, not athletes.

And Argentina should be fined and banned from the next Cup for attacking the Germans after the match was officially over. If anything, the most deserving red cards go to the Argentines.

Think before you post next time.

1. The Argentine goalie was not going up against the German defense.
2. He was injured sufficiently to have to be substituted. Hardly acting.
3. Germans complaining of others diving should look at who their coach is and shut up.

Germany's winning play was a nice knee to the goalie's midsection. Must be a new rule in place since I was last a goalkeeper that when a goalie goes up for the ball in the Goal Area leaving himself completely vulnerable is is LEGAL to knee him in the chest. They should use that play more often. With all the red cards in this tournament one of the most deserving goes unpunished.

You're a total JERK! Klose didn't knee the guy intentionally. The goalie should've known better than to go up against the German defense who dominate the air so well in these matches.

On top of that, the goalie was playing it up. He wasn't hit that hard. He was stalling the game, in hopes of getting Argentina the win. IT's something they've always done. They're well known in Germany as a team full of actors, not athletes.

And Argentina should be fined and banned from the next Cup for attacking the Germans after the match was officially over. If anything, the most deserving red cards go to the Argentines.You're a total JERK! Klose didn't knee the guy intentionally. The goalie should've known better than to go up against the German defense who dominate the air so well in these matches.

On top of that, the goalie was playing it up. He wasn't hit that hard. He was stalling the game, in hopes of getting Argentina the win. IT's something they've always done. They're well known in Germany as a team full of actors, not athletes.

And Argentina should be fined and banned from the next Cup for attacking the Germans after the match was officially over. If anything, the most deserving red cards go to the Argentines.
Klose should have gotten a clear yellow for that, but that was by no means a red.

ETA: OH, and it's beyond me how anyone could accuse the Argentinian goalie of faking! You could *see* that he was not. And which goalie would fake himself out of a world cup quarter final??

Speaking of diving, it's a good thing Ballack didn't get booked for his "dive." Replays show that he did take a whack to the face.

Unlucky you. It wasn't the best of games. The first half was dull, and the second half a mixture of frantic and stupid.

I'll be getting a copy of England vs Portugal game next. Only 90Gb left for video.

Speaking of diving, it's a good thing Ballack didn't get booked for his "dive." Replays show that he did take a whack to the face.

I am going to call him Thierry Ballack from now on. :p

It wasn't so much bad Germany play, as it was Argentina being quality opposition. Most other teams play defensive, and Germany can rip right through their defence. Argentina plays more offensive, and that gave Germany trouble.

I would agree, but Germany wasn't aggressive enough when it was in possession of the ball a lot of the time. Instead of running the ball when the field was wide open in front of them, the German players dribbled the ball, waiting for their team mates to show up for a pass. Now, while I condone passing as much as you can, I don't think it's a good idea to pussy foot around when you have plenty of room to maneuver. Germany could have won in regulation time had they taken a more aggressive play when they had possession of the ball.

Another complaint I had was that the Germans didn't try to tackle for the ball as often. I could understand the players with yellow cards being conservative, but not the whole team.

All in all, Germany was the better team via penalty kicks. And I think it shows that Germany has the better strikers. It's just that they didn't have the room to set up their shots like they have in their past 4 matches.

Regardless, Germany will need to step up their game in the next match. And I really wish Klinsmann would rest Ballack. Germany won the first match of the WC without him. He needs to rest his calf and ankle, otherwise, the next time he's fouled, could be the end of the WC for Ballack.

I love this team regardless! This is the best German team I've seen since watching the Cup. I was in tears when we won in PKs.

I am going to call him Thierry Ballack from now on. :p

Henry rolls around more and cries more. Germans can't do it like Henry.

Henry rolls around more and cries more. Germans can't do it like Henry.

Nobody can do it like Henry.

Also, this is an important moment for Germany; it's the first time they've beaten a top team in a long time.

Nobody can do it like Henry.

Not even the Italians. :eek:

Klose should have gotten a clear yellow for that, but that was by no means a red.

ETA: OH, and it's beyond me how anyone could accuse the Argentinian goalie of faking! You could *see* that he was not. And which goalie would fake himself out of a world cup quarter final??

I agree that it should've been a foul, and maybe a yellow card, but definitely not a red card.

As for the goalie faking - First off, the part of his body that he was clutching, the lower left quadrant of the torso, was NOT were Klose's knee hit him. Klose's knee was more central and closer to the chest than the abdomen. Secondly, the goalie complained of pain 5 minutes AFTER the collision, not immediately after. And then 10 minutes after that, he has to be substituted out. And while he's being carried out, he's clutching his torso far lower than where Klose hit him. In the end, the goalie's actions cost about 5 minutes of play time. He did what he did to get Argentina an advantage - taking enough time AWAY from the match to prevent Germany from scoring. It's called "Taking one for the Team".

As a side note, my NS women's world cup team won the 2nd Women's World Cup. Now the score line? Jeruselem 1 - 1 Yafor 2. Won on penalties 3-2.

Almost identical to this game.

Henry rolls around more and cries more. Germans can't do it like Henry.

After he's had a few lessons from DD at Chelsea, he'll be in Henry's class.

Not even the Italians. :eek:
Nor Cristiano Ronaldo. :eek: :eek:

Well done to Germany. Some nice diving there (Odonkor and Podolski (I think) especially), although the Argentinians weren't innocent.

And...yay Lehmann! [/Arsenal fan].

You know what sucks about football? Adrenaline. I'm pumped up now, and I can't feel heat. Now I'm freezing, and the heater does nothing. >_>

I told ya yeah i told ya didn't i say Germany!!!:rolleyes:

I told ya yeah i told ya didn't i say Germany!!!:rolleyes:
*pats and rolls into padded cell*

omg we made itCongrats to all Germans..

Congrats to all Germans..
Thnaks :)

ETA, Er, yeah, and "thanks", too. :p

Catulla, Kokoomusta, Vastaan, Refen, Tarandella, Thulehof

It is easy to get it right if you vote after the match. Bobos :headbang:

The Argentinian coach has just resigned.

Argentina, sore losers ... some problem on the pitch.
Actually i was going to say the grass looks a bit long!
OMG CHEATS CHEATS! ER I MEAN YEAH GERMANY!

Mit uns im Kampf und im Siege vereint,
marschieren Italiens Scharen.
Bis einst die Sonne des Friedens uns scheint,
und wieder gen Deutschland wir fahren.
Doch wenn mich die feindliche Kugel fand,
so lasset mich ruhen im Wüstensand,
und rühret noch einmal die Trommel,
Vorwärts, vorwärts, vorwärts mit unserem Rommel.
Vorwärts mit unserem Rommel.

http://www.orlyowl.com/upload/files/german_flag.jpg
:D

I, for one, welcome our new goalie-killing overlord.LOL

Notice that my answer increased AFTER the game was over?

*pats and rolls into padded cell*
I LOVE GERMAN BRATWURST!!!

Yellow card @ referee!he kept stopping play like more than 50 times..

Notice that my answer increased AFTER the game was over?
Nien!

And now, I think this match, and Germany's victory in particular, can be summarised like this. Let's sing:

Ho, ho, ho
It's magic, you know
Never believe it's not so
It's magic, you know
Never believe, it's not so

I LOVE GERMAN BRATWURST!!!
That's so...wrong. :D

Oh, and it's "Nein". ;)

It's gonna take a miracle for Germany to win. A real miracle.your new Goalie-killing-overlord did the miracle :D :D ;) :D

your Golie-killing-overlord did the miracle :D :D ;) :D

No, Lehmann is a miracle. Klose's goal was just the right place at the right time.

That's so...wrong. :D

Oh, and it's "Nein". ;)
Is there a u between the a and t in it, cause thats what i put in and Google said did you mean Bratwurst.:confused:
Tueffel!:sniper:

Is there a u between the a and t in it, cause thats what i put in and Google said did you mean Bratwurst.:confused:
Tueffel!:sniper:
As you should have learned by now - Google is always right. Bratwurst it is.

And since I'm guessing you weren't talking about truffles and just forgot the "r" in "Trüffel", the devilish word you're looking for there seems to be "Teufel". :p

As you should have learned by now - Google is always right. Bratwurst it is.

And since I'm guessing you weren't talking about truffles and just forgot the "r" in "Trüffel", the devilish word you're looking for there seems to be "Teufel". :p
:p
Toten!

That's so...wrong. :D

Oh, and it's "Nein". ;)
What is so wrong then?:confused:
:( :sniper:
Am i cheering you up?;)

The Argentinian coach, Jose Pekerman, has resigned! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/argentina/5122304.stm

Could be in line for a move to a top European club, I reckon. Real Madrid, anyone?

:p
Toten!Close, but not really. :p
What is so wrong then?:confused: Oh, that didn't refer to the spelling. :p I just found it a bit disconcerting for you to be yelling in big colorful letters about how much you love German sausage. :D
Am i cheering you up?;) Yeah, nothing cheers me up quite like sniper smilies. You know me so well :fluffle: :rolleyes: . Nah, but in your own peculiar way you actually kinda are. ;)



ETA: Ewww, smiley overkill. Sorry, guys. =(

Close, but not really. :p
Oh, that didn't refer to the spelling. :p I just found it a bit disconcerting for you to be yelling in big colorful letters about how much you love German sausage. :D
Yeah, nothing cheers me up quite like sniper smilies. You know me so well :fluffle: :rolleyes: . Nah, but in your own peculiar way you actually kinda are. ;)



ETA: Ewww, smiley overkill. Sorry, guys. =(
Oh yeah i thought that sounded gay too.:)

The Argentinian coach, Jose Pekerman, has resigned! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/argentina/5122304.stm

Could be in line for a move to a top European club, I reckon. Real Madrid, anyone?

That's a bit harsh. They were unlucky to lose.

That's a bit harsh. They were unlucky to lose.
They were. He says he thinks he's taken them as far as he can, but I think that's shit. With players like Messi, Tevez and Saviola only now beginning to make an impact, I think they'd have a pretty good chance at the next World Cup.

They were. He says he thinks he's taken them as far as he can, but I think that's shit. With players like Messi, Tevez and Saviola only now beginning to make an impact, I think they'd have a pretty good chance at the next World Cup.

Mmm. Especially, it went to penalties. That's, like, a 50-50 chance of winning. Well, Lehmann's a tough keeper, so that ups Germany's odds, but still.

They were. He says he thinks he's taken them as far as he can, but I think that's shit. With players like Messi, Tevez and Saviola only now beginning to make an impact, I think they'd have a pretty good chance at the next World Cup.
I found Saviola a disapointment.

What the ...
That horible lucky Germans! Argentina was so much better!:headbang:
I believe that the best team should win! Not the one with the best swalbes and the referee on there hand!
Argentina should be world-champion, simply because it is the best!

now England is the only team that is still in the race because it plays better than its opponents!
France, should been kikked out the first round anyway
Italy, Penalty against australia, good bussines for the reff
Portugal, didn't even play football against Holland, both team's should have been banned out of the tournement!
Brazil, can't say it is a team!

I believe that they should stop that worldcup now! I wanna see football, not this!

What the ...
That horible lucky Germans! Argentina was so much better!:headbang:
I believe that the best team should win! Not the one with the best swalbes and the referee on there hand!
Argentina should be world-champion, simply because it is the best!

now England is the only team that is still in the race because it plays better than its opponents!
France, should been kikked out the first round anyway
Italy, Penalty against australia, good bussines for the reff
Portugal, didn't even play football against Holland, both team's should have been banned out of the tournement!
Brazil, can't say it is a team!

I believe that they should stop that worldcup now! I wanna see football, not this!

Now, if you were looking at the game subjectively, you'd know that Germany DID play better. At least, after Argentina scored. The Argies decided to lull and play defensive, and for that, they were punished.

can the losers stop complaining about this official who obviously did a good job. Better than other games I have seen.

can the losers stop complaining about this official who obviously did a good job. Better than other games I have seen.
The ref did a tremendously good job - there really ain't no way comblaining could ever be justified.

Wooooooooooooooo! We won!!!

P.S.: After seeing in the replays what the sore losers did after the penalies - those Argentinians didn't deserve any better! Bastards!

We have focused our forces and won the game!

Wir haben unsere Kräfte gebündelt und das Spiel gewonnen!!!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Fanbild3.jpg

Yeehaw!

The ref did a tremendously good job !I guess every single German fan will agree with you. :D :D ;) :D

congrats.
You are now the favorites to win it all.

Aquarabus, Catulla, Czariums, Kokoomusta Vastaan, Patriotic Germans, Refen, Tarandella, Thulehof

You lot are not fooling anyone. When the match ended there was only one vote for Germany by PKs - which was made by Corneliu.

Grow up a little huh, or do you intend to cheat at everything in life - losers.

Aquarabus, Catulla, Czariums, Kokoomusta Vastaan, Patriotic Germans, Refen, Tarandella, Thulehof

You lot are not fooling anyone. When the match ended there was only one vote for Germany by PKs - which was made by Corneliu.

Grow up a little huh, or do you intend to cheat at everything in life - losers.
Who? *burbs*

Anyway, I believe that any opponent we might now face will go home.

I don't think anyone can beat us now! [says TH next to me!]

Shaaaa-laaa-laaalaaaa... *laughs*

Woooooooooooooooooooooooo!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Desktop-1.jpg

Hehehe...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdc7aGzyjfw

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/fussball.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/DieKuh.jpg
Our cows make also "mooh"! [Watch video in sig...]

I'm feeling nauseous. This game is doing evil things to my nerves.
Indeed...

I know people said it's boring, but this was the most high-quality match there was so far. Two teams that were absolutely perfectly matched.

The first half was two teams putting plans in place they had to stop the other side. A bit negative perhaps (cue coarse language by yours truly again), but probably to be expected.

Argentina broke the deadlock, and that woke Germany up. And then they played pressure, like they should've done from the first minute. Klose's goal was just a matter of time. Pekerman's subsitutions didn't exactly help his cause...to be honest, I don't think he could continue being Argentina's coach and keep being reminded about those decisions.

I don't think Klose's foul was intentional. Even if it had been a free kick, I don't think he could've gotten even a yellow for it. It's just one of those things that happen sometimes.

Both sides were diving all over the place. Thank god nothing came from it, so it remains an unfortunate sidenote.

And the penalties...well, I think people should have realised by now that Germany doesn't lose on PKs. By definition. :D

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,14767,00.html
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,424537,00.html
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,424554,00.html

And guess what...I was wearing a Bierhoff (http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,656942,00.jpg)-Jersey the whole time. And he actually made it on TV! :p

Germany won! XD

Who? *burbs*

Anyway, I believe that any opponent we might now face will go home.

I don't think anyone can beat us now! [says TH next to me!]

Shaaaa-laaa-laaalaaaa... *laughs*

Woooooooooooooooooooooooo!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Desktop-1.jpg

Until Tuesday.

As for those who say the ref was tremendous, I wonder if you complained in earlier games about the job they did. I am not a fan for either of the teams and there was certainly a foul on the goalie, if not a red card. Consistency was certainly lacking in the calls made in this tournament and it is probably true as well with your opinion towards the referees decisions throughout the match. I'm a fan for Italy and their second goal today was offsides. I can admit it. They got away with it, so did Germany with that foul. Homefield helps, and it did with several calls going down the stretch for Germany.

Germany played well, as did Argentina. I don't think any side had an advantage or a domination, even after the first goal, but certainly after the goalie switch and then the next Argentine sub the game changed pretty dramatically.

What the hell sparked off the brawl?! Argentine sub kicked Mertedzalder (sp) in the nads, but what happened prior to that? And why was Bierhoff out there too?

As much as Germany won the match, I think it's fair to say Argentina (or Pekerman) lost it. He's resigned rightfully so- those dreadful subsitutions. Ugh.

Leaving Saviola, Aimar and Messi on the bench. *shakes head*

Fair dues to the Germans, should be an interesting match against the Italians.

What the hell sparked off the brawl?!
Here is what happened:

During the penalties, the Argentinian players hackled the German players. I don't know whether the Germans did the same.

Apparently Borowski got annoyed and told them to shut up. That seems to have made some people angry, because a random Argentinian benchwarmer decided to get him.

Unfortunately he confused Borowski with Mertesacker (those Germans all look the same), and attacked him instead.

So everyone got all heated up. Bierhoff is not one to back down from a fight and he wanted to "protect his players" (his words), but apparently he didn't start it.

So ein mist.:mad: Ich hab die verkehrte kassette erwischt. 3 statt 4 stunden. Das 11 meter ist nicht drauf....:(

Congrats to all those who chose Deutschland's win by PKs.

Let´s join in prayer and say our thanks to our fathers, Misoslav Klose and Jens Lehmann, in football heaven. Bring your first borns.

I thought I had a fairly good understanding of the rules of fuBball, but I'm confused about what the goalkeeper is allowed to do prior to the strike of the ball during a PK.

I thought they couldn't move much until the ball was struck. The German GK was jumping up and down, which seems okay, but then he clearly takes off early on the first save and actually stepped forward early and juked the shot-taker on the second save.

Is the GK rule one of those they tend to look the other way on, or have I got it wrong?

Congrats to all those who chose Deutschland's win by PKs.

I can honestly say that all but one picked that selection AFTER the match was over. That only person was me so thanks :D

I thought I had a fairly good understanding of the rules of fuBball, but I'm confused about what the goalkeeper is allowed to do prior to the strike of the ball during a PK.

I thought they couldn't move much until the ball was struck. The German GK was jumping up and down, which seems okay, but then he clearly takes off early on the first save and actually stepped forward early and juked the shot-taker on the second save.

Is the GK rule one of those they tend to look the other way on, or have I got it wrong?

Technically he is not allowed to move forward. He can move laterally and vertically all he wants. Think of Jersey Dudek in the penalty shootout at the end of the 2004/5 Champions league. What he did was perfectly legal.

Now nearly all goalkeepers take a step forward just before the ball is kicked, and so long as this is not too blatant they get away with it. It is rather like holding in the NFL or travelling in the NBA - illegal under the rules, but so long as it is not overdone, a blind eye is turned to it.

Technically he is not allowed to move forward. He can move laterally and vertically all he wants. Think of Jersey Dudek in the penalty shootout at the end of the 2004/5 Champions league. What he did was perfectly legal.

Now nearly all goalkeepers take a step forward just before the ball is kicked, and so long as this is not too blatant they get away with it. It is rather like holding in the NFL or travelling in the NBA - illegal under the rules, but so long as it is not overdone, a blind eye is turned to it.

Considering the odds are against the keeper during PK, understandable unless you opponent is really bad with PKs like the Swiss. Germans look deadly during PK!

What the hell sparked off the brawl?! Argentine sub kicked Mertedzalder (sp) in the nads, but what happened prior to that? And why was Bierhoff out there too?

As much as Germany won the match, I think it's fair to say Argentina (or Pekerman) lost it. He's resigned rightfully so- those dreadful subsitutions. Ugh.

Leaving Saviola, Aimar and Messi on the bench. *shakes head*

Fair dues to the Germans, should be an interesting match against the Italians.

The Argentine coach was forced to change his tactical substitutions since he had to sub for the goalie. That effectively changed the entire complexion of the game.

You cannot blame the coach for his subs.

The Argentine coach was forced to change his tactical substitutions since he had to sub for the goalie. That effectively changed the entire complexion of the game.

You cannot blame the coach for his subs.

You can blame Pekerman for withdrawing his creative midfield player (Riquelme) and replacing him witrh a defensive midfielder (Cambiasso), particularly as this was done after the injury to the goalkeeper had ocurred. Also why choose Cruz (tall, good in the air) over Messi (small fast tricky) when you are going up against Metzelder and Mertesacker? Cruz had no chance whereas Messi would at least havew posed a threat.

He was clearly trying to sit on a 1 goal lead, which if it had worked would still have been criticised, but as it didn't it rightly cost him his job.

Germany by 1.

I need them to win then lose to England. I've got $30 bucks riding on England going all the way.
Better cut your losses then. Not gonna happen. And to England, to boot. *snort* :p

Germany by penalty kicks! WOOT!
Now if England beats Portugal, I have a shot of winning my whole pool! :)

Germany by penalty kicks! WOOT!
Now if England beats Portugal, I have a shot of winning my whole pool! :)
Nope. I think your out of luck.

Nope. I think your out of luck.
I daresay he is. :p
To humbly quote myself: Better cut your losses then. Not gonna happen. And to England, to boot. *snort*
There, there. *pats Markreich*

Hey guys, on Centrebet, Germany is top odds to win the cup on $2.85. France are the biggest outsiders on $11.

Hey guys, on Centrebet, Germany is top odds to win the cup on $2.85. France are the biggest outsiders on $11.

Can't count out France with Zidane playing.

Nope. I think your out of luck.

Aw frack. 0-0. :(

I daresay he is. :p
To humbly quote myself:
There, there. *pats Markreich*

England out: :(

Getting patted by Wytyg: :)

I'm gonna go with Germany on penalties.

I'm gonna go with Germany on penalties.
+1?

Crazy Rodriguez can't even punch...

I'm gonna go with Germany on penalties.

YAY! The hawt Peisandros likes Germany! Woo Hoo!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeNu23MxTZk

Just wanted to share this one :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeNu23MxTZk

Just wanted to share this one :p

That's awesome.

Can't count out France with Zidane playing.

Indeed, France are now second on odds.

England out: :(Told you so ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeNu23MxTZk

Just wanted to share this one :p
I liked this one a bit more... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N23yzRlvJNs
"Für Argentinien ist dann endstation." :D

I liked this one a bit more... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N23yzRlvJNs
"Für Argentinien ist dann endstation." :D
I have to admit that I've been listening to Blumentopf's mp3s each and every day. But the videos are great, too! (Considering how little time they have to make them - chapeau!)

Germans look deadly during PK!
Yeah, we put the killing part into it! :D

You know, I'm starting to get anxious about the semis. Italy terrifies me.

Italy terrifies me.
Pfft. Welcome to my world since 1996.

I decided I'm not going to do that to myself this time. And I don't have to, because this team is genuinely world class, and can win this. And who have Italy beaten? A depleted and hopeless Czech side, and that's that.

Italy is weak!

By the way, I found the picture that allegedly shows Torsten Frings "punching" Cruz. The Italian media's been running it 24/7 to try and get FIFA to ban him, and they reopened the investigation.

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/07/speciale/mondiali/servizi/lettere-su-frings/lettere-su-frings/afp_8450056_57340.jpg

No wonder Cruz himself says he can't recall any punch.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyID=2006-07-03T100225Z_01_EVA329673_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SOCCER-WORLD-FRINGS.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3

WAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Remember that article about the lazy, greasy Italians with their tiny packages in tight speedos I posted a while back in the Aus vs Italy thread? And then translated?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/5141074.stm
The Italian team are angry with a German weekly publication and plan to take their revenge by knocking the host nation out of the World Cup on Tuesday.

The Azzurri are fuming over an article on Der Spiegel newspaper's website, which joked that Italians were "lazy and greasy, among other things".

The article was quickly pulled but not before the damage had been done ahead of the semi-final in Dortmund.
http://www.schildersmilies.de/noschild/laughoutloud.gif

Beautiful. Now, we have a game on our hands!

Great, that just makes me more nervous.

This is sorta my first WC. I saw 2002, but I was a bit young and can't remember anything bar the last game. I'm not used to WC nerves!

Damn, man, I hope we shoot early. I hope Italy plays shelled, not like they did against Ukraine.

Great, that just makes me more nervous.

This is sorta my first WC. I saw 2002, but I was a bit young and can't remember anything bar the last game. I'm not used to WC nerves!

Damn, man, I hope we shoot early. I hope Italy plays shelled, not like they did against Ukraine.

You'd be a nervous wreck if you'd watched the last qualification games for Australia for last 3 world cups!

You'd be a nervous wreck if you'd watched the last qualification games for Australia for last 3 world cups!

Don't really care that much...

Great, that just makes me more nervous.

This is sorta my first WC. I saw 2002, but I was a bit young and can't remember anything bar the last game. I'm not used to WC nerves!

Damn, man, I hope we shoot early. I hope Italy plays shelled, not like they did against Ukraine.

Meh. We pwned them Italians ever since we entered the stage (120 B.C., anyone?). This won't be no different.

Don't really care that much...

Germany always seem to make the finals, for you don't have that drama.

Apparently FIFA did decide to take Frings out for a game and puts him on probation for a second game.

That sucks, but it will only mean that the German team will play even more as a unit - not only for themselves and "us", but now also for Torsten.

Pfft. Welcome to my world since 1996.

I decided I'm not going to do that to myself this time. And I don't have to, because this team is genuinely world class, and can win this. And who have Italy beaten? A depleted and hopeless Czech side, and that's that.I like Dieter Nuhr's position:
"Wir haben noch nie Italien bei einer WM geschlagen, nicht wahr? Dann machen wir es dieses mal." :D

By the way, I found the picture that allegedly shows Torsten Frings "punching" Cruz. The Italian media's been running it 24/7 to try and get FIFA to ban him, and they reopened the investigation.

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/07/speciale/mondiali/servizi/lettere-su-frings/lettere-su-frings/afp_8450056_57340.jpg

No wonder Cruz himself says he can't recall any punch.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyID=2006-07-03T100225Z_01_EVA329673_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SOCCER-WORLD-FRINGS.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3
No, that's the picture before he "punches" Cruz. It does look like a punch, but it's impossible to tell how hard it was and if it wasn't an attempt to push Cruz away in the crowd on slow motion.

No, that's the picture before he "punches" Cruz. It does look like a punch, but it's impossible to tell how hard it was and if it wasn't an attempt to push Cruz away in the crowd on slow motion.
When you watch the whole scene, you can tell that this picture shows what sparked Frings' reaction. Frings got "smacked" in the face and then "hit" back.

To be honest, neither the first "attack" nor Frings reaction look like anything done with force or intent to hurt anyone.
It's ridiculous, especially when you consider that jump-kick against Mertesacker's groin.

I like Dieter Nuhr's position:
"Wir haben noch nie Italien bei einer WM geschlagen, nicht wahr? Dann machen wir es dieses mal." :D
Hehe, that sounds like something I'd reply: "We haven't beaten them yet? Well, about damn time we do now" :D

When you watch the whole scene, you can tell that this picture shows what sparked Frings' reaction. Frings got "smacked" in the face and then "hit" back.

To be honest, neither the first "attack" nor Frings reaction look like anything done with force or intent to hurt anyone.
It's ridiculous, especially when you consider that jump-kick against Mertesacker's groin.Or the punch against Schweinsteiger...

I actually missed the entire fight. I was at the Fanmeile in Berlin and left immediatly afterwards to catch a train. Boy was I surprised when I found out about what happened in the morning! :eek:

Yes, or that one...

Anyway,

http://www.dfb.de/

under "news" mentions 33 and 48

http://www.fifa.com/documents/static/regulations/Discplinary_Code_FDC-D.pdf

Take a look at Art.49/3 - doesn't that apply, too?

And I would define a "Faustschlag" differently... http://www.dfb.de/news/download/Frings_Urteil.pdf

What I find hilarious is how it is the German team is being punished for something that apparently was started by the Argentinians. I had someone try to explain to me they were upset because the rules for penalty kicks are that neither the Goal Keeper nor the Striker are allowed to move before the referee blows his whistle. Well, apparently Lehmann's jumping around in place "violated" this rule for the Argentinians, and argued with the officials after the match that the referee favored Germany. The German team, in response, defended that they didn't violate any rules. And from what I saw on TV, it was the Argentinians that started the fight by pushing the German players around.

So tell me then...if FIFA is favoring Germany, how is it that Frings is the only person being punished for a supposed punch (which isn't even visible in that photo posted earlier in this thread) while the Argentinians are not being fined or anything.

And, quite frankly, the Italians shouldn't even be in the Semifinals. They were given their spot in their last two matches. As a result, FIFA is trying to crack down on the regs for cards and fouls.

I also hope that Germany beats the pants off the Italians. At least Germany can say that during this tournament, they've never made a single "own goal" or as we say in German, "eigen tor".

What I find hilarious is how it is the German team is being punished for something that apparently was started by the Argentinians. I had someone try to explain to me they were upset because the rules for penalty kicks are that neither the Goal Keeper nor the Striker are allowed to move before the referee blows his whistle. Well, apparently Lehmann's jumping around in place "violated" this rule for the Argentinians, and argued with the officials after the match that the referee favored Germany. The German team, in response, defended that they didn't violate any rules. And from what I saw on TV, it was the Argentinians that started the fight by pushing the German players around.

So tell me then...if FIFA is favoring Germany, how is it that Frings is the only person being punished for a supposed punch (which isn't even visible in that photo posted earlier in this thread) while the Argentinians are not being fined or anything.The Argentinians are going to get their fair share of the punishment. FIFA just has more time to decide and dish it out, seeing as they don't have to play on Tuesday ;)

Far as I've heard, one of them received a post-game red card. But it isn't as interesting or relevant to report about that at the moment than about a player that won't be going to the next game.

And, quite frankly, the Italians shouldn't even be in the Semifinals. They were given their spot in their last two matches. As a result, FIFA is trying to crack down on the regs for cards and fouls.

I also hope that Germany beats the pants off the Italians. At least Germany can say that during this tournament, they've never made a single "own goal" or as we say in German, "eigen tor".We'll see ;)
I doubt Italy is as bad as England. They've been playing nicely occasionally.
(Aber in welchem Teil von Deutschland wird es nicht mehr "Eigentor" geschrieben :confused:)

So tell me then...if FIFA is favoring Germany, how is it that Frings is the only person being punished for a supposed punch (which isn't even visible in that photo posted earlier in this thread) while the Argentinians are not being fined or anything.


Get your facts right. Frings has had a punishment handed down in a hurry because the next match for him is tomorrow. FIFA is stil looking at the evidence against the Argentines and there will be punishments to come for Cufre and Maxi Rodriguez as well as potential punishments for some non playing staff on both sides. This is not over yet.

Get your facts right. Frings has had a punishment handed down in a hurry because the next match for him is tomorrow. FIFA is stil looking at the evidence against the Argentines and there will be punishments to come for Cufre and Maxi Rodriguez as well as potential punishments for some non playing staff on both sides. This is not over yet.

The point was that Frings shouldn't even be punished in the first place. It was the Argentinians that attacked both the German team and the FIFA officials after the match. I do have my facts straight. And don't talk to me in that tone of voice, or I will make you sorry you anti-German fascist.

Laerod - Deutsch ist nict meine erste Sprache. Ich war nicht sicher op eigentor war ein woert order zwei. Entschuldigung.

The point was that Frings shouldn't even be punished in the first place. It was the Argentinians that attacked both the German team and the FIFA officials after the match. I do have my facts straight. And don't talk to me in that tone of voice, or I will make you sorry you anti-German fascist.Actually, FIFA considered that in their ruling. That's why he's only barred from two games, one of which would be on probation for 6 months, so he can play in the finals. The reasoning is that he was provoked and reacted wrongly.

Laerod - Deutsch ist nict meine erste Sprache. Ich war nicht sicher op eigentor war ein woert order zwei. Entschuldigung.Ah, yes. Don't sweat it.

The point was that Frings shouldn't even be punished in the first place. It was the Argentinians that attacked both the German team and the FIFA officials after the match. I do have my facts straight. And don't talk to me in that tone of voice, or I will make you sorry you anti-German fascist.

Laerod - Deutsch ist nict meine erste Sprache. Ich war nicht sicher op eigentor war ein woert order zwei. Entschuldigung.

Is that a threat Tarandella? How amusing.

If Frings has been punished then he did something to deserve it. I note that the German Football Association is not appealing against the ban - that also causes anyone with two neurons to consider that Frings may actually be guilty.

No one has said he started anything, nbut the rules are clear - if you could be bothered to read them, or were capable of understanding them if you did - hitting another player is an offence that leads to you being suspended. Nothing whatsoever about why. There is no justifiable punching exclusion.

Retaliation in any sport is stupid, as it is nearly always the person who retaliates that gets caught. Frings got caught. Tough luck.

If Frings has been punished then he did something to deserve it. I note that the German Football Association is not appealing against the ban - that also causes anyone with two neurons to consider that Frings may actually be guilty.And it takes three to figure out that there are no appeals allowed... :p

And it takes three to figure out that there are no appeals allowed... :p

Appeals are allowed against FIFA decisions. Remember that Scolari tried to appeal Deco's ban for the Portugal England match.

Regardless what we have is the following:
"We found out about it on the plane on the way to Dortmund (for the semi-final)," Bierhoff told reporters.

"We haven't seen the written reasons but will accept the Fifa decision.

If there was no possibility of appeal then what on earth is Bierhoff talking about?

Go Germany!!!!!!!!!!!

The point was that Frings shouldn't even be punished in the first place. It was the Argentinians that attacked both the German team and the FIFA officials after the match. I do have my facts straight.
As AB Again said - he may not have started it, but fighting back is still fighting, punching someone in retaliation is still punching somebody. If it had been clear that it was merely self-defense, the case would have been dismissed. Apparently, it was not discernible from the footage that it was only self-defense (even if it actually was), so punished he is.

Tough luck. But to be honest - the way this has apparently been blown up in the Italian media (and, who knows, maybe in the rest of the wolrd, too) I'm actually kind of glad that he got banned.
As long as the TV footage doesn#t show his innocence in crystal clear pictures for everybody to see, we only would have been accused of "cheating", of getting preferential treatment by FIFA because we're the hosts.


And don't talk to me in that tone of voice, or I will make you sorry you anti-German fascist. Please tone down your rhetoric. This discussion in no way merits anything like this.

Appeals are allowed against FIFA decisions. Remember that Scolari tried to appeal Deco's ban for the Portugal England match.

Regardless what we have is the following:


If there was no possibility of appeal then what on earth is Bierhoff talking about?You can protest, but you can't appeal. The punishment is for less than three games, meaning there is no right to appeal.

Furthermore, this is what Bierhoff said:
Oliver Bierhoff, Manager der Nationalmannschaft, wurde unmittelbar nach der Landung des DFB-Teams in Dortmund vom Fußball-Weltverband FIFA telefonisch über die Sperre informiert: "Wir sind enttäuscht. Wir waren der Meinung, dass wir eine schlüssige Begründung für einen Freispruch vorgelegt haben. Die Bilder haben bewiesen, dass der Schiedsrichter und die beiden Assistenten direkt in der Nähe von Frings gestanden haben. Deshalb war es aus unserer Sicht eine Tatsachenentscheidung. Es bleibt uns jetzt nichts anderes übrig, als die Entscheidung zu akzeptieren. Wir werden uns jetzt ausschließlich auf das Italien-Spiel konzentrieren und sind optimistisch, dass Frings im Finale wieder dabei ist."He received note of the decision after landing. He says he's disappointed by the decision and that they believed they had a strong enough case against it on the grounds that both ref and an assistant were standing next to it. He states that they have no other choice but to accept.

This is from the DFB links that GN posted a while back, though they are in German.

Is that a threat Tarandella? How amusing.

If Frings has been punished then he did something to deserve it. I note that the German Football Association is not appealing against the ban - that also causes anyone with two neurons to consider that Frings may actually be guilty.

No one has said he started anything, nbut the rules are clear - if you could be bothered to read them, or were capable of understanding them if you did - hitting another player is an offence that leads to you being suspended. Nothing whatsoever about why. There is no justifiable punching exclusion.

Retaliation in any sport is stupid, as it is nearly always the person who retaliates that gets caught. Frings got caught. Tough luck.

Actually AB, the only one around here that's amusing is you. You've been down on the German team since this tournament's started. And yet, each time, the German proved you wrong, and quite badly too. And yet, you continue to frown upon the team. That is what is amusing.

Take my comment as you like. Just don't make any further remarks to piss me off any further.

As for Frings, it was clear from the footage that it was self-defense. And he didn't even really punch the Argentinian. It was more of a forceful slap. If an Argentinian can't even take a slap in the face after unprovokingly punching a few Germans for winning in PKs, then he shouldn't be playing soccer. Plain and simple.

And, for Germany accepting the decision and not appealing it/protesting it, I find ridiculous. All one has to do is see from the footage of what happened, and know that Frings was provoked. Granted, he shouldn't have retaliated, and should be punished with a fine, but game suspension is ridiculous. It wasn't even a full punch from Frings. And frankly, if Frings is suspended from the next two matches for slapping an Argentinian, then Argentina should be banned from the next World Cup for such unprofessional behavior during this World Cup. In fact, Argentina should be banned from all Soccer Tournaments until after the 2010 World Cup. Maybe then they'll learn to control their tempers, especially when they lose fair and square.

This is from the DFB links that GN posted a while back, though they are in German.

As I don't speak or read German, I'll take your word for it.

If it contradicts what I posted, then there is a contradiction between DFB and the BBC. Take your choice.

As to being able to appeal a one match ban, you can. (Whether you can win the appeal is another matter.). Scolari did so, and lost.

As I don't speak or read German, I'll take your word for it.

If it contradicts what I posted, then there is a contradiction between DFB and the BBC. Take your choice.

As to being able to appeal a one match ban, you can. (Whether you can win the appeal is another matter.). Scolari did so, and lost.Not sure if it was clear, but the DFB is the German Soccer Federation, so they'll probably have more facts on the issue than BBC. ;)

Well, it contradicts the BBC insofar as it refers to the time that Bierhoff was called. BBC does give correct information on what he said, just not all of it.

As you can't read German, this won't help you much (but here's a direct link anyway (http://www.dfb.de/news/download/Frings_Urteil.pdf)), but you can find the written verdict at the bottom of the article on the DFB website. It clearly states "The decision is final." That pretty much means "No appeals" in legal terms.

EDIT: I found the English version of the verdict. (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060703/1/8izd.html)

Well, while Frings is a great player, it's not going to cost Germany a victory over Italy. If anything, it's gonna spur them on even more to kick some butt.

Actually AB, the only one around here that's amusing is you. You've been down on the German team since this tournament's started.
Evidence please. I have not supported them, because I did not rate them highly at the start. So what? Or are you a pseudo Bush to argue that either you are for the German's or you are against them. After the match against Costa Rica I commented that they needed to do something about their defence. Conceding two goals to Costa Rica was shameful. Other than that I don't think I have commented.

And yet, each time, the German proved you wrong, and quite badly too. And yet, you continue to frown upon the team. That is what is amusing.
I have no obligation to supoport the Germans do I? I have not been proven wrong, in any case except the draw with Argentina. (I predicted that the Argentines would win - huh they drew - badly wrong that one in your view.)

Take my comment as you like. Just don't make any further remarks to piss me off any further.
Grow a skin then. I will say what I like within the regulations of this site, which you could do with reading.

As for Frings, it was clear from the footage that it was self-defense. And he didn't even really punch the Argentinian. It was more of a forceful slap. If an Argentinian can't even take a slap in the face after unprovokingly punching a few Germans for winning in PKs, then he shouldn't be playing soccer. Plain and simple.
Let us be clear here. Self defense is not retaliation. Self defense is preventative,and is not a concept that applies to a fist fight on a football pitch. It is a concept that applies to shooting someone that is pointing a gun at you.
What Frings did was to react, to retaliate. This does not exonerate the Argentines involved, but Frings was wrong to act as he did, and he knows it, and you know it if you stop crying like a spoilt baby about it and think.

And, for Germany accepting the decision and not appealing it/protesting it, I find ridiculous. All one has to do is see from the footage of what happened, and know that Frings was provoked. Granted, he shouldn't have retaliated, and should be punished with a fine, but game suspension is ridiculous. It wasn't even a full punch from Frings.
What part of retaliation is not allowed don't you understand?

And frankly, if Frings is suspended from the next two matches for slapping an Argentinian, then Argentina should be banned from the next World Cup for such unprofessional behavior during this World Cup. In fact, Argentina should be banned from all Soccer Tournaments until after the 2010 World Cup. Maybe then they'll learn to control their tempers, especially when they lose fair and square.
This part I agree with you, wholeheartedly. The punishment for the Argentines should be very severe indeed. I believe that Cufre should be banned for life from football altogether, and Maxi Rodriguez banned from international football for the rest of his life. It won't happen, but it would be justified.

Actually AB, the only one around here that's amusing is you. You've been down on the German team since this tournament's started. And yet, each time, the German proved you wrong, and quite badly too. And yet, you continue to frown upon the team. That is what is amusing.Ah, but I proved you wrong too...

And, for Germany accepting the decision and not appealing it/protesting it, I find ridiculous. All one has to do is see from the footage of what happened, and know that Frings was provoked. Granted, he shouldn't have retaliated, and should be punished with a fine, but game suspension is ridiculous. It wasn't even a full punch from Frings. And frankly, if Frings is suspended from the next two matches for slapping an Argentinian, then Argentina should be banned from the next World Cup for such unprofessional behavior during this World Cup. In fact, Argentina should be banned from all Soccer Tournaments until after the 2010 World Cup. Maybe then they'll learn to control their tempers, especially when they lose fair and square.The decision is that he's getting fined 5000 CHF and barred from 2 games, one of which is on probation for six months. If he acts properly, he will miss one match and pay 5000 Swiss Francs.

It could happen that Argentina gets some kind of barring. It would have likely happened to Turkey if they had qualified.

Watch this and make up your own mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwMpaKiRyD0

You can see that Frings gets "touched in the face" first and returns the gesture likewise.

I wonder how a hit on the head (like the one Schweinsteiger received) or a multiple jump-kick to the groin (like the one Mertesacker received) will be treated by FIFA.

(Mertesacker sagte in einem Interview mit „Spiegel Online“, Cufre habe nicht nur einmal, sondern zwei oder drei Mal zugetreten. „In die Weichteile hat er mich auch noch getroffen.“ Nun habe er Striemen auf dem Oberschenkel. „Die Argentinier waren gekränkt, daß sie nicht weitergekommen sind“, begründete er. Die rote Karte sei verdient. „Entschuldigt hat sich auch keiner dafür in der Kabine, das haben die wohl nicht nötig.“)
http://www.welt.de/data/2006/07/01/941337.html

I wonder how a hit on the head (like the one Schweinsteiger received) or a multiple jump-kick to the groin (like the one Mertesacker received) will be treated by FIFA.We should let the issue rest until after the world cup. If FIFA turns a blind eye to Argentina, we'll at least have a golden trophy to console us in our injustice :)

Ah, but I proved you wrong too...

And where, pray tell, have you proven me wrong? If you're referring to my writing eigentor wrong, then that's nothing like what I was referring to.

Watch this and make up your own mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwMpaKiRyD0
Lol, that's actually the first time I've *really* seen it - and hello? How obvious is it that this is not in any way "self defense"?!

It's not a bad punch by any means, but it's still a stupid retaliatory punch, so yeah.

Oh Frings - and to think you were the only one in the team worth crushing on. :p

And where, pray tell, have you proven me wrong? If you're referring to my writing eigentor wrong, then that's nothing like what I was referring to.

You claimed that only Frings would be punished. Both Laerod and myself pointed out your error in that contention.

And where, pray tell, have you proven me wrong? If you're referring to my writing eigentor wrong, then that's nothing like what I was referring to.Well, you were prematurely attacking FIFA for letting off the Argentinians. This is not the case, as FIFA can take it's time with those that won't be playing anytime soon.

Oh Frings - and to think you were the only one in the team worth crushing on. :pI wonder how we ever got married in the first place...
When you don't remind me of my ex, you remind me of my sister :eek: (:p)

I wonder how we ever got married in the first place...
When you don't remind me of my ex, you remind me of my sister :eek: (:p) OMG I remind you of your ex? :eek: :eek: :eek: (Yes, that totally needed three smilies. Sue me.)
Oh noes. :(

OMG I remind you of your ex? :eek: :eek: :eek: (Yes, that totally needed three smilies. Sue me.)
Oh noes. :(Well, you know the main reason... which neither you nor her can help.

Then again, there's the fact that you both seem to have the same silly crush on Scarlett Johannsen... :D

Well, you know the main reason... which neither you nor her can help.Er... I do? :confused:
Then again, there's the fact that you both seem to have the same silly crush on Scarlett Johannsen... :D Well, that I indeed can't help. But of course it's not silly anyway, so you'll just have to live with that. Yummy Scarlett. :p

Lol, that's actually the first time I've *really* seen it - and hello? How obvious is it that this is not in any way "self defense"?!

It's not a bad punch by any means, but it's still a stupid retaliatory punch, so yeah.

Oh Frings - and to think you were the only one in the team worth crushing on. :p
Stupid? Certainly. Understandable? Yes.

Thing is, though: Neither would I call that first thing a "slap" (=Backpfeife) nor would I call the reaction a "punch" (=Faustschlag). Not even a girly-punch. It's not a punch.

And then you see that there are referees right next to the thing happening who don't make a call on it (while other things were called and at least one player got booked).

Er... I do? :confused: Yes. You just don't remember. I'll TG you the answer in a sec to help your memory along :p
Well, that I indeed can't help. But of course it's not silly anyway, so you'll just have to live with that. Yummy Scarlett. :pYeah. The fetish is just one of those weird and annoying coincidences that push me into paranoia ;)

Yes. You just don't remember. I'll TG you the answer in a sec to help your memory along :pOh-kay...
Yeah. The fetish is just one of those weird and annoying coincidences that push me into paranoia ;)Oh please. I just think she's sexy. That's stating an obvious truth, not copping to a Scarlett Johansson (I can for the life of me not remember how to spell her last name, this looks kinda right) fetish. :p

Oh please. I just think she's sexy. That's stating an obvious truth, not copping to a Scarlett Johansson (I can for the life of me not remember how to spell her last name, this looks kinda right) fetish. :pWell, seeing as I'm not a woman and you are, I suppose I better not speculate on "obvious truths" and the like ;)
(but she is sexy)

Well, seeing as I'm not a woman and you are, I suppose I better not speculate on "obvious truths" and the like ;)
(but she is sexy)
Smart man. (of course she is)

Smart man. (of course she is)It's all part of the learning process :D
I stop doing the things that get me slapped and continue to do the things that get me laid =o =) =P

Oh Frings - and to think you were the only one in the team worth crushing on. :p

Please tell me you're joking? Frings wasn't the only good lookin guy on the team. There was Klose, Podolski, Borowski, Huth, Jansen, Lehmann, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Ballack...you mean to tell me you didn't find any of them sexy?

Podolski, in my opinion, is the sexiest man on the team.

It's all part of the learning process :D
I stop doing the things that get me slapped and continue to do the things that get me laid =o =) =P
Stop bragging. At least to me, will ya?

Please tell me you're joking? Frings wasn't the only good lookin guy on the team. There was Klose, Podolski, Borowski, Huth, Jansen, Lehmann, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Ballack...you mean to tell me you didn't find any of them sexy?

Podolski, in my opinion, is the sexiest man on the team.
OMG, please tell me you're joking?! Klose and Schweinsteiger (especially Schweinsteiger)? Hell no! Ballack is okay but he talks funny. :p
Lehmann is actually kinda cute.

But it's Frings all the way - look at the hair! *swoon* Actually - don't look at it because it's always all ratty in that silly hairband, so just imagine it...
But it's really just the hair - with short hair, he looks terrible. *shrug*

Not much eye candy in the German team. But then, there never is. :p

Not much eye candy in the German team. But then, there never is. :p
Oh please! I don't give a damn how they look like as long as they play good football!
Get your priorities straight, please!!!

Oh please! I don't give a damn how they look like as long as they play good football!
Get your priorities straight, please!!!
Jeez, calm down. What's with the exlamation marks? I had not idea Fußball made you so irritable.

Jeez, calm down. What's with the exlamation marks? I had not idea Fußball made you so irritable.
:p Just glad you didn't say "It's only a game."

Nah, not to worry - I'm a'ight!

Not much eye candy in the German team. But then, there never is. :p

You're crazy... There is a LOT of eye candy on the German team. Maybe you should lower your standards.

I reckon some Germany players are good looking. Klose's and Lahm aren't bad. Ballack's very... manly.

Ooh, you know who's not bad looking? Timo Hildebrand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timo_Hildebrand

I thought I had a fairly good understanding of the rules of fuBball, but I'm confused about what the goalkeeper is allowed to do prior to the strike of the ball during a PK.

I thought they couldn't move much until the ball was struck. The German GK was jumping up and down, which seems okay, but then he clearly takes off early on the first save and actually stepped forward early and juked the shot-taker on the second save.

Is the GK rule one of those they tend to look the other way on, or have I got it wrong?No, you dont have it wrong.
That is the rule, and clearly the rule was broken.

and thats what Argentines were complaining about..

Then again this is FIFA, what did they expect??

No, you dont have it wrong.
That is the rule, and clearly the rule was broken.

and thats what Argentines were complaining about..
Then again this is FIFA, what did they expect??
"Fair"?
Its just words for them.Nice how they forgot to bitch when they fouled Ballack and Germany should have received a penalty...

Nice how they forgot to bitch when they fouled Ballack and Germany should have received a penalty...was that during a corner?

was that during a corner?Probably. It's not like Argentina was the only one to be at the wrong end of the Ref's decisions. In that game, FIFA could be considered as fairly unfair to everyone.

You're crazy... There is a LOT of eye candy on the German team. Maybe you should lower your standards.
You tell me to lower my standards and you say I'm crazy? :p

.... Ballack is okay but he talks funny. :p ...


I keep wondering what he's putting in his hair. No matter what he does, his hairstyle doesn't mess up.... :confused:

was that during a corner?
Probably.Germany would get like a PK called against them in most corner-kicks taken against them. (and Argentina, and the others)

FIFA is BS.

Germany would get like a PK called against them in most corner-kicks taken against them. (and Argentina, and the others)

FIFA is BS.
:rolleyes:

I keep wondering what he's putting in his hair. No matter what he does, his hairstyle doesn't mess up.... :confused:

Better ask him. I'd like to know too, my hair is unruly.

Better ask him. I'd like to know too, my hair is unruly.
Zee German superglue? :p

You tell me to lower my standards and you say I'm crazy? :p

Well obviously you have extremely high standards if you think Frings is the only good looking guy on the German National team. I, on the other hand, find all the players on the German National team good looking.

As for the PK... Lehmann was just jumping up and down in place. He didn't jump early on either save. Any anyone that says that Lehmann broke the rules for the PK are just sore losers, pissed off that a terrible Argentinian team lost to a clearly superior football team. And frankly, I hope Argentina gets banned from the sport for awhile after attacking the German team unprovoked. And I hope Germany beats the hell out of the dumb Italians.

Germany should not have won this game. It was a mistake.

Germany should not have won this game. It was a mistake.
...aaaaaaand they didn't. Unless you're talking Argentina, in which case I disagree.