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After more than a year as the Pope, Benedict XVI has proven himself to be a great leader for the Roman catholic faith. He has gained the respect of many who doubted his abilities when he was elected. I am still constantly hearing people talk about him as a "Nazi". This is a staggeringly huge lie. Pope Benedict XVI was drafted into the Hitler youth ( like all children his age) and never participated in its activities. He came from a very anti-Nazi family. When he was drafted into Hitler's army he deserted ( the punishment that he risked was execution). He entered the priesthood because of his horror at Nazi atrocities.

Overall I believe that Pope Benedict has done a great job as the Pope. Here are my reasons:

1) he has attacked moral relativism
2) he has been an Independent voice for peace and human rights
3) his first encyclical was a masterpiece ( Dues Caritas est)

what say you?

I couldn't really care: I'm not Catholic. I liked John Paul better, though.

I couldn't really care: I'm not Catholic. I liked John Paul better, though.
What about John Paul II?

The two men have identical theology.

He wasn't particularly popular as Cardinal in southern Germany before he became Pope. That was because he was ultra-conservative, and that just doesn't go down well in a modern country, even if it is the southern, retarded part.

People were worried when he was elected, but he's called back his inner hounds astonishingly well. He could've been much worse.

Still professing contraception is a sin?

Still hates homosexuals?

No change from the last guy. Reminds me partly why I stopped being a Catholic.

He's off to a slow start, though he has been fairly surprising. Still, he's a care taker pope and I think everyone knows this.

Overall I believe that Pope Benedict has done a great job as the Pope. Here are my reasons:

1) he has attacked moral relativism
I says moral is relative. Show me an example of absolute morals that holds universally true.

Still professing contraception is a sin?

Still hates homosexuals?

No change from the last guy. Reminds me partly why I stopped being a Catholic.

I do not believe that he hates anybody. He does hold, as I do, that there is a very intrinsic problem with homosexuality, that it misuses the human body for the purposes of gratifying base sexual desire. The Catholic church is not awash on the sea of relativism that America and Europe look to be sailing in.

Barrygoldwater,can I ask you something?
Are you a Roman Catholic?

Scrap that question,he just answered it.

I do not believe that he hates anybody. He does hold, as I do, that there is a very intrinsic problem with homosexuality, that it misuses the human body for the purposes of gratifying base sexual desire. The Catholic church is not awash on the sea of relativism that America and Europe look to be sailing in.

No mate, thats SEX in GENERAL, not homosexuality.

New Pope, old Pope. Meh. Give me one with four heads, 76 eyes, a blue spiked tail and a elephant's trunk.... and that one will get my attention.

I says moral is relative. Show me an example of absolute morals that holds universally true.

Unprovoked murder is wrong.
Rape is wrong.
Being polite is good.

Give me a break, there are many cases in which morality is not independent of judgement. Heres a favorite quote of mine...

"How many winds of doctrine we have known in recent decades, how many ideological currents, how many ways of thinking... The small boat of thought of many Christians has often been tossed about by these waves - thrown from one extreme to the other: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertinism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism, and so forth. Every day new sects are created and what Saint Paul says about human trickery comes true, with cunning which tries to draw those into error (cf Eph 4, 14). Having a clear faith, based on the Creed of the Church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism. Whereas, relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and "swept along by every wind of teaching", looks like the only attitude (acceptable) to today's standards. We are moving towards a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego and one's own desires.

However, we have a different goal: the Son of God, true man. He is the measure of true humanism. Being an "Adult" means having a faith which does not follow the waves of today's fashions or the latest novelties"

Barrygoldwater,can I ask you something?
Are you a Roman Catholic?

Yes.
Yes.

People were worried when he was elected, but he's called back his inner hounds astonishingly well. He could've been much worse.
I haven't paid that much attention but I think you're right.

No mate, thats SEX in GENERAL, not homosexuality.


Sex's purpose is to create offspring ( ever take bio?). Homesexual activities' purpose is to create arousal.

Still says Homosexuality is a sin and horrible? Still against contraception? Still a backwards conservative?

No mate, thats SEX in GENERAL, not homosexuality.
wait, there's sex in General? where? :p
New Pope, old Pope. Meh. Give me one with four heads, 76 eyes, a blue spiked tail and a elephant's trunk.... and that one will get my attention.

i fell off my chair visualizing a mitre on that thing. :p

Still says Homosexuality is a sin and horrible? Still against contraception? Still a backwards conservative?

You should read that quote I posted.

Sex's purpose is to create offspring ( ever take bio?). Homesexual activities' purpose is to create arousal.

Homosexuals 'Activities' as you refer to then, are no different to heterosexuals. The only difference is that they can't reproduce. Yet they can still love each other as much as a heterosexual couple.

Sex's purpose is to create offspring ( ever take bio?). Homesexual activities' purpose is to create arousal.
What do you mean? That bio(? biology) teachers have told you that sex's purpose is to create offspring?

You should read that quote I posted.

Oh, I did. Very amusing. The man's still a backwards Bigot.

Homosexuals 'Activities' as you refer to then, are no different to heterosexuals. The only difference is that they can't reproduce. Yet they can still love each other as much as a heterosexual couple.

I plug fits into an outlet because it is designed to. The result is light. Banging two outlets or two plugs together just does not make sense now does it? Why? Because it does not do anything but make noise! Using a part of another person's body to gratify yourself is not the same as heterosexual sexual intercourse.

What do you mean? That bio(? biology) teachers have told you that sex's purpose is to create offspring?

Well lets see....why must animals have sex? Why must people have sex?

How can there be no problem with being gay , if everyone was gay the human race would end in one generation, right?

Sex's purpose is to create offspring ( ever take bio?). Homesexual activities' purpose is to create arousal.

If that were the case, it would be pretty ineffective. Not every sexual contact leads to pregnancy, not even every second, not even every 10th.... (statistically speaking. Don't go and try it!)

Sex serves the biological purpose of relieving stress, social bonding, releasing endorphines and therefore enforcing the immune system. Offspring is a side effect that's being blown way out of all proportions.

Oh, I did. Very amusing. The man's still a backwards Bigot.

And do is anyone else who takes the Bible, Torah, and Koran seriously...wow thats a lot of bigots huh.

Offspring is a side effect that's being blown way out of all proportions.

Yeah, that whole human civilization thing, about that.......

Unprovoked murder is wrong.
Unless you are member of a Kali death cult, for example, in which case it might be a holy duty to perform a murder once in a while on a unspecified victim by strangling it. Hey, a godess commands it. Not absolute.
Rape is wrong. No, rape is a sentence given to the wives of adulterers in some rural pakistan and undian communities. Not absolute. Rape was used as a political tool in ancient times, cf. early days of the roman empire, and seen as a very day-to-day side effect of war, and had widespread acceptance among commanding officers and the responsible politicians. Still not absolute.
Being polite is good. Being polite means lowering ones station to that of a worm-eater (commoner). Usual attitude of the japanese court from about 850 to the Tokugawa period. Not absolute. Being polite, or courteous, is for weaklings. Nowadays macho attitude. Not absolute.

Next, please.

Well lets see....why must animals have sex? Why must people have sex?

How can there be no problem with being gay , if everyone was gay the human race would end in one generation, right?

It's called biological diversity. Humans are social animals, it's neither necessary nor for that matter desireable that all of us reproduce. It is however necessary and desireable that we have close bonds to other human beings. That's one of the biggest purposes of sex.

I plug fits into an outlet because it is designed to. The result is light. Banging two outlets or two plugs together just does not make sense now does it? Why? Because it does not do anything but make noise! Using a part of another person's body to gratify yourself is not the same as heterosexual sexual intercourse.

but thats what heterosexual intercourse is. Using a part of another person's body to gratify yourself.

primal urges are not 'need child now', its 'need sex now'. yes, bio says that sex is for ceating life but bio also says we evolved. quite contrary to the church. and there is homosexuality in some animals, mainly dolphins and monkeys.

so i guess all those homosexual couples in animals were created by God, therefore God created gays.

*raspberry*

Unless you are member of a Kali death cult, for example, in which case it might be a holy duty to perform a murder once in a while on a unspecified victim by strangling it. Hey, a godess commands it. Not absolute.
No, rape is a sentence given to the wives of adulterers in some rural pakistan and undian communities. Not absolute. Rape was used as a political tool in ancient times, cf. early days of the roman empire, and seen as a very day-to-day side effect of war, and had widespread acceptance among commanding officers and the responsible politicians. Still not absolute.
Being polite means lowering ones station to that of a worm-eater (commoner). Usual attitude of the japanese court from about 850 to the Tokugawa period. Not absolute. Being polite, or courteous, is for weaklings. Nowadays macho attitude. Not absolute.

Next, please.

And all of those things are wrong. They are twisted and sick. Next please.

I plug fits into an outlet because it is designed to. The result is light. Banging two outlets or two plugs together just does not make sense now does it? Why? Because it does not do anything but make noise! Using a part of another person's body to gratify yourself is not the same as heterosexual sexual intercourse.
You don't use a part of another person's body in heterosexual intercourse? You must have some unusual sexual habits.

And do is anyone else who takes the Bible, Torah, and Koran seriously...wow thats a lot of bigots huh.

Got it in one.

It's called biological diversity. Humans are social animals, it's neither necessary nor for that matter desireable that all of us reproduce. It is however necessary and desireable that we have close bonds to other human beings. That's one of the biggest purposes of sex.

So we go around screwing random people?

And all of those things are wrong. They are twisted and sick. Next please.

Rather impolite of you to bash another culutre's value. Off to confession with you.

so i guess all those homosexual couples in animals were created by God, therefore God created gays.

*raspberry*

God created everything. How they act once created is....besides the point.

So we go around screwing random people?

What part of "close bonds" didn't you understand?

So we go around screwing random people?

Um, yeah. Its called casual sex.

Although whats casual about it I don't know. I have to concentrate....

So we go around screwing random people?
troll.

what say you?

He's supporting the same campaign of lies that the Church has been using to murder people throughout the developing world for almost two decades. He's no better than the last malingering creep who held that office.

Um, yeah. Its called casual sex.

Although whats casual about it I don't know. I have to concentrate....

Hehe... I don't :D

God created everything. How they act once created is....besides the point.

that defeats your own point on homosexuals. we are created by God and how we act once created is, in your own words,

besides the point

The bottom line here is that many people feel increasingly threatened by the concept of absolute right and wrong. Moral relativism does have the ego at its core. No moral anchor, no limits, just one's own desires. Nobody here can appreciate just how dangerous that is?

And do is anyone else who takes the Bible, Torah, and Koran seriously...wow thats a lot of bigots huh.

Yep. They're called 'Fundamentalists' and generally disliked. You know, people who think the Earth is 6000 years old and that tripe.

The bottom line here is that many people feel increasingly threatened by the concept of absolute right and wrong. Moral relativism does have the ego at its core. No moral anchor, no limits, just one's own desires. Nobody here can appreciate just how dangerous that is?

That people might be able to do what they want, like fuck members of their own sex or wear a condom?

OHDEARGODTHEWORLDISCOLLAPSING!

Um, yeah. Its called casual sex.

Although whats casual about it I don't know. I have to concentrate....

Go visit Africa to learn about Casual sex. I'm sure they have some wonderful stories.

Go visit Africa to learn about Casual sex. I'm sure they have some wonderful stories.

You mean like how their barred from using condoms?

Go visit Africa to learn about Casual sex. I'm sure they have some wonderful stories.

I don't need to learn about casual sex :p

Although methinks, someone else does....:rolleyes:

He's supporting the same campaign of lies that the Church has been using to murder people throughout the developing world for almost two decades. He's no better than the last malingering creep who held that office.

And exactly what are these "lies" that made Pope John Paul II a "malingering creep"?

The bottom line here is that many people feel increasingly threatened by the concept of absolute right and wrong. Moral relativism does have the ego at its core. No moral anchor, no limits, just one's own desires. Nobody here can appreciate just how dangerous that is?

No, modern morality has society's best interest at heart. Every moral system can be twisted to suit the needs of the individual, and no single religion is exempt from that.

Personally, I prefer to follow morals that have everyone's best interest at heart, rather than those of an obscure magical bearded fairy.

And exactly what are these "lies" that made Pope John Paul II a "malingering creep"?

Homosexuality is bad, condoms are bad....

I'm guessing those are just two of the biggies...

That people might be able to do what they want, like fuck members of their own sex or wear a condom?

OHDEARGODTHEWORLDISCOLLAPSING!

Under the weight of its own social ills. When its 2030 and child molestation is legal and half of Africa is dead drop me a line.

Although methinks, someone else does....:rolleyes:

who's up to teach that class? :p

You mean like how their barred from using condoms?

AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics.

No, modern morality has society's best interest at heart. .

But what moral code does "modern society" have other than the general concepts of making ourselves happy no matter what the consequences may be.

AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics.

...

And with that, ladies and gentlemen, I shall depart...

God created everything. How they act once created is....besides the point.

that defeats your own point on homosexuals. we are created by God and how we act once created is, in your own words,

besides the point

look who blew off a strong argument

AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics.
And on that note ladies and gentlemen, we have a TROLL. :cool:

This thread has been about slowly dragging us in bit by bit. Sadly, I saw nowt till now.

Fare well.

Homosexuality is bad, condoms are bad....

I'm guessing those are just two of the biggies...

Hey, if everyone followed JPII's doctine AIDS would have never had a chance.

AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics.

Nice theory, but wrong. How do you think AIDS infected the first human, hm?

...

And with that, ladies and gentlemen, I shall depart...


As you cannot rebuke the statement with facts. Bye.

AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics.

i thought this might stay intelligent for a little while. . . . . .

you soil that mans name.

look who blew off a strong argument

besides the point of the argument that I was making about initial creation. You need to read through to the end of the sentences.

But what moral code does "modern society" have other than the general concepts of making ourselves happy no matter what the consequences may be.

Making myself and others happy while avoiding negative consequences for anyone.

*shrugs

That's my moral code, anyway.

AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics.
You believe that humans have AIDS because someone has had sex with monkeys?

And exactly what are these "lies" that made Pope John Paul II a "malingering creep"?
The Catholic Church has been deliberately and intentionally lying about condoms, in order to force their agenda onto people who have no other source of information about contraception. The Church persists in telling people that HIV passes through the pores in latex condoms, even though this has been conclusively demonstrated to be false. They lie about the effectiveness of condoms in preventing STD transmission. They tell people that condoms will render a man sterile. Basically, they tell people any lie that they must.

The Church also lies when it tells people that abstaining from sex until marriage will protect them from AIDS. The FASTEST GROWING DEMOGRAPHIC of new AIDS patients is married women who were virgins when they married, yet the Church continues to insist that HIV-positive men should have unprotected sex with their wives.

Here's something from an old post of mine on this subject:

"Relying on condoms is like betting on your own death," said Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, the Vatican's spokesperson on family affairs. "The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon. The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is formed by the condom," he says. Catholic Bishops and Cardinals are, at this very moment, repeating this idea across four continents, at the express direction of the Vatican. Some priests even state that condoms are laced with AIDS, according to AIDS activists in Kenya. Nairobi Archbishop Raphael Ndingi Nzeki says "AIDS... has grown so fast because of the availability of condoms." The Vatican has issued statements refusing to disagree or correct this statement.

A recent BBC program, "Sex and the Holy City," even shows footage of a Catholic nun telling her HIV-positive choir master not to use latex condoms with his wife because "the virus can pass through." Far from denying this footage, the Vatican has reissued its support for such statements.

The National Institutes of Health constructed a panel to examine the effectiveness of condoms in preventing disease, and included anti-condom advocates on that panel. According to its report from 2001, latex condoms are impermiable to even the smallest pathogens, and HIV is actually one of the STDs that condoms are most effective against. Scientific research by groups such as the U.S. National Institutes of Health has found "intact condoms... are essentially impermeable" to HIV, and that "condoms provide a highly effective barrier to transmission" of HIV. The World Health Organization reacted with horror to the Vatican's claims, immediately denouncing such misinformation and saying it was especially deadly to perpetuate such ideas when the world is facing a global pandemic that has already killed 20 million people.

The Vatican's Trujillo responded to these points: "They are wrong about that... this is an easily recognizable fact."

And all of those things are wrong. They are twisted and sick. Next please.

You, Sir, are a cheap weasel. These are still valid examples of how entire civilisations had moralities that are different from your morals (and mine, to be correct), but clearly show there is not absolutism in morals. Unless you are of an astonishable arrogance and claim that only your viewpoint is correct and everything else is a deviation there is no absolute moral. Just have a look on the different attitudes on homosexual sex to see how there isnt one absolute moral.

And on that note ladies and gentlemen, we have a TROLL. :cool:

This thread has been about slowly dragging us in bit by bit. Sadly, I saw nowt till now.

Fare well.

It is a statement of fact, not an insult.

Hey, if everyone followed JPII's doctine AIDS would have never had a chance.

Wrong. Very, very wrong indeed. Either you're hopelessly uninformed about AIDS, its origins and its ways of spreading, or you're a rather untalented troll...

AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics.
"NEW YORK - A survey of Roman Catholic priests by a newspaper, the "Kansas
City Star," has stunned many American Catholics with its finding that
priests are dying of AIDS at a much higher rate than the average U.S.
population. "

http://www.wfn.org/2000/02/msg00069.html

You believe that humans have AIDS because someone has had sex with monkeys?

Never said that.

Hey, if everyone followed JPII's doctine AIDS would have never had a chance.

yeah, because a) condoms dont stop AIDS and b) you can halt primal urges.:rolleyes:

Nice theory, but wrong. How do you think AIDS infected the first human, hm?
(noone knows that.)

Wrong. Very, very wrong indeed. Either you're hopelessly uninformed about AIDS, its origins and its ways of spreading, or you're a rather untalented troll...

Give me proof that I am wrong.

(noone knows that.)

(I'm curious about his theory, though. What do you think he will take "bushmeat" to mean?) ;)

"NEW YORK - A survey of Roman Catholic priests by a newspaper, the "Kansas
City Star," has stunned many American Catholics with its finding that
priests are dying of AIDS at a much higher rate than the average U.S.
population. "

http://www.wfn.org/2000/02/msg00069.html


yeah, and that occured because those priests were not following the doctrines of catholicism.

Never said that.
Then how the first HIV carrier got the virus? God gave it him?

yeah, and that occured because those priests were not following the doctrines of catholicism.
You said that "AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics." I'd say a Catholic priest counts as a "devout Catholic." So you're wrong. Just admit it and learn from your mistake.

Give me proof that I am wrong.

Do you know how AIDS is being transferred between humans? Or do I have to start at the begining?

I love Pope Benedict XVI! I'm Catholic!

If everyone refrained from sex outside of heterosexual marriage and avoided all forms of narcotics...where would AIDS be? How many dead people would be alive today? And you dare to insult traditional Catholic morality. Astonishing.

:D at Cabra

If everyone refrained from sex outside of heterosexual marriage and avoided all forms of narcotics...where would AIDS be? How many dead people would be alive today? And you dare to insult traditional Catholic morality. Astonishing.
And refused blood transfusions.

Whoops. That's the Jovvies. Don't want to be mistaken for one of them now, do you?

You said that "AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics." I'd say a Catholic priest counts as a "devout Catholic." So you're wrong. Just admit it and learn from your mistake.

He was a Catholic in name and occupation but not in spirit. Any gay priest that gets aids is no devout catholic. He is a hypocrite.

If everyone refrained from sex outside of heterosexual marriage and avoided all forms of narcotics...where would AIDS be?
In bushmeat?

And refused blood transfusions.

Whoops. That's the Jovvies. Don't want to be mistaken for one of them now, do you?

Boy did they ever misread.

besides the point of the argument that I was making about initial creation. You need to read through to the end of the sentences.

if i didnt read thorugh to the end of your ONE sentence, i'd be wondering what your views on people do after creation.
What they do after creation is. . . .
well, i'm too lazy to finish reading this sentence so i'll flame the bastard.

right.

I love how nobody actualy think about this. Close your eyes and imagine it.....nobody has sex outside of hetero-marriage. Nobody uses narcotics. How many dead AIDS victims would be alive as a result? How many millions of lives would be saved?

Anyway, Popee-boy ain't a Nazi.
Granted and widely accepted.


However...


He maybe part of a bigger, darker force:
http://www.antimarket.com/images/Star_wars_Pope.jpg

Think about it. Have you ever seen Palpatine and Benedict in the same room together?

After more than a year as the Pope, Benedict XVI has proven himself to be a great leader for the Roman catholic faith. He has gained the respect of many who doubted his abilities when he was elected. I am still constantly hearing people talk about him as a "Nazi". This is a staggeringly huge lie. Pope Benedict XVI was drafted into the Hitler youth ( like all children his age) and never participated in its activities. He came from a very anti-Nazi family. When he was drafted into Hitler's army he deserted ( the punishment that he risked was execution). He entered the priesthood because of his horror at Nazi atrocities.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread already, but I'll go ahead and say it. People were not drafted into the Nazi Youth. Nor was it compulsory. It was just "strongly recommended." You could essentially be persecuted for not signing up, but many children avoided joining the Nazi Youth. Ratzinger demonstrated moral weakness by joining out of fear of persecution rather than being like the others who refused to join.

Anyway, Popee-boy ain't a Nazi.
Granted and widely accepted.


However...


He maybe part of a bigger, darker force:
http://www.antimarket.com/images/Star_wars_Pope.jpg

Think about it. Have you ever seen Palpatine and Benedict in the same room together?


haha, I don't dig the dark eye circles thing either.

If everyone refrained from sex outside of heterosexual marriage and avoided all forms of narcotics...where would AIDS be? How many dead people would be alive today? And you dare to insult traditional Catholic morality. Astonishing.

In case they never transferred the virus to their children (which they do - shocking, isn't it???), reject from blood transfusions as those might be infested and starve to death rather than going hutning... then yes.

But I didn't know that the church had doctrines against having kids, medical treatement, or food??

He was a Catholic in name and occupation but not in spirit. Any gay priest that gets aids is no devout catholic. He is a hypocrite.

Who said the priests were gay?

I love how nobody actualy think about this. Close your eyes and imagine it.....nobody has sex outside of hetero-marriage. Nobody uses narcotics. How many dead AIDS victims would be alive as a result? How many millions of lives would be saved?

I think the majority of AIDS cases today occur in Africa between heterosexuals. A large portion of whom are actually married. The only thing that is going to help prevent AIDS if people continue to have sex is (Catholics, I know this makes baby Jesus cry) using condoms.

In case they never transferred the virus to their children (which they do - shocking, isn't it???), reject from blood transfusions as those might be infested and starve to death rather than going hutning... then yes.

But I didn't know that the church had doctrines against having kids, medical treatement, or food??

Cabra, he's trolling love. Let go. :fluffle:

If everyone refrained from sex outside of heterosexual marriage and avoided all forms of narcotics...where would AIDS be? How many dead people would be alive today? And you dare to insult traditional Catholic morality. Astonishing.
If Protestants had just given up their heretical ways and stopped burning Bibles, where would Catholicism be today? What would have happened to the Inquitsition? How many dead people would be alive and unburned today? And they dared to insult traditional Catholic morality. Astonishing.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread already, but I'll go ahead and say it. People were not drafted into the Nazi Youth. Nor was it compulsory. It was just "strongly recommended." You could essentially be persecuted for not signing up, but many children avoided joining the Nazi Youth. Ratzinger demonstrated moral weakness by joining out of fear of persecution rather than being like the others who refused to join.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1572667,00.html

" He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941.

He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. “Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one,” concluded John Allen, his biographer. "

I love how nobody actualy think about this. Close your eyes and imagine it.....nobody has sex outside of hetero-marriage. Nobody uses narcotics. How many dead AIDS victims would be alive as a result? How many millions of lives would be saved?
Compared to all the people who never would have lived because they were born out of wedlock? A diminuitive number, too be honest.
And where is my answer? Who made you the judge on what moral is accepatable and what isnt?

Cabra, he's trolling love. Let go. :fluffle:

Oh, I know he is. I'm just bored out of my head and slightly aggressive myself :D

:fluffle:

Think about it. Have you ever seen Palpatine and Benedict in the same room together?
True words spoken. I quess I'll be amused by this for the rest of my life.

It doesn't matter what or who they are, just kill all these freaks.
They've lied to us for too long, and why should faith exist anyway, huh?

Oh, I know he is. I'm just bored out of my head and slightly aggressive myself :D

:fluffle:
join the club! i needed a mental workout.

we're all aggressive. just at different times and periods of time.

In case they never transferred the virus to their children (which they do - shocking, isn't it???), reject from blood transfusions as those might be infested and starve to death rather than going hutning... then yes.

But I didn't know that the church had doctrines against having kids, medical treatement, or food??

Are you trying to tell me that a majority of AIDS victims got it from somthing else than intercourse? That would be stretch right?

Look up what percent of victims got it from blood transfusions or being born with it.

Try again to imagine how many people would be alive and AIDS free if only they did not have that casual sex! Or use those drugs! Millions of people.

Compared to all the people who never would have lived because they were born out of wedlock? A diminuitive number, too be honest.
And where is my answer? Who made you the judge on what moral is accepatable and what isnt?
Remember, "Catholic morality" teaches that death is an appropriate penalty for having sex.

True words spoken. I quess I'll be amused by this for the rest of my life.

Had me snigger, too. The resemblance is striking, though. :D

I think the majority of AIDS cases today occur in Africa between heterosexuals. .


Or here is a new concept! If you are married to a person who has AIDS..dont have sex! If you are not married....dont have sex. These two actions would save millions of lives. Never been tried. never will be. People are so dumb.

Compared to all the people who never would have lived because they were born out of wedlock? A diminuitive number, too be honest.
And where is my answer? Who made you the judge on what moral is accepatable and what isnt?

I do not decided anything. I get my information from God.

He wasn't particularly popular as Cardinal in southern Germany before he became Pope. That was because he was ultra-conservative, and that just doesn't go down well in a modern country, even if it is the southern, retarded part.

People were worried when he was elected, but he's called back his inner hounds astonishingly well. He could've been much worse.

Hey! I'm from the south. :(

hey BARRY

I'm still waiting! Quite many of us have asked the same question. Why won't you answer us?
How did the first person who carried HIV get it?

Khaban']It doesn't matter what or who they are, just kill all these freaks.
They've lied to us for too long, and why should faith exist anyway, huh?

Well you just called for the murder of 1 billion people. There you go. Moral relativism.

Or here is a new concept! If you are married to a person who has AIDS..dont have sex! If you are not married....dont have sex. These two actions would save millions of lives. Never been tried. never will be. People are so dumb.

I wouldn't have sex with someone with AIDS, contraception or no.

Well you just called for the murder of 1 billion people. There you go. Moral relativism.

Bad sarcasm. Also known as trolling. Might be a new concept to you....

hey BARRY

I'm still waiting! Quite many of us have asked the same question. Why won't you answer us?
How did the first person who carried HIV get it?

It is not relavent at all, but I believe that you are talking about patient 0 I believe that it is a matter of dispute.

I fail to see what that has to do with Pope benedict XVI. Pretty sure it was not him.

Are you trying to tell me that a majority of AIDS victims got it from somthing else than intercourse? That would be stretch right?

Look up what percent of victims got it from blood transfusions or being born with it.

Try again to imagine how many people would be alive and AIDS free if only they did not have that casual sex! Or use those drugs! Millions of people.

You were the one claiming that they only got AIDS through sex. Back up your own point first.

Hey! I'm from the south. :(

*rofl

The VERY DEEP south :D

Bad sarcasm. Also known as trolling. Might be a new concept to you....

I like sarcasm that is funny , not insulting or bizarre.

Or here is a new concept! If you are married to a person who has AIDS..dont have sex! If you are not married....dont have sex. These two actions would save millions of lives. Never been tried. never will be. People are so dumb.

but that stops the generation,

just as if everyone was gay,

as you stated earlier.

i'm waiting for a response to the protestant heretics burned by Catholicism.

You were the one claiming that they only got AIDS through sex. Back up your own point first.

Never claimed that.

Or here is a new concept! If you are married to a person who has AIDS..dont have sex! If you are not married....dont have sex. These two actions would save millions of lives. Never been tried. never will be. People are so dumb.

You hit it on the head when you say "never been tried, never will be." Its because its a pipe dream. Its like saying "what if everyone stopped sinning." You should believe, as your Catholic doctrine teaches, that men have sinful little natures. Thus, you need to come up with pragmatic solutions to make the world a better place within that context rather than asserting the impossible.

In fact, the Catholic Church is slowly loosening its stance on condom usage. Very recently it was an issue if married couples could use condoms to prevent the spread of AIDs, and the Church was very indecisive. It wont be long before the issue pops up again, and the Church capitulates and says condoms are okay.

Well you just called for the murder of 1 billion people. There you go. Moral relativism.

And how many billions of people have been killed by the church, maybe it's time to start thinking about that.
And not only the crusades etc, but als thousands of people dieof HIV/Aids because the church forbids them to wear a bloody condom

It is not relavent at all, but I believe that you are talking about patient 0 I believe that it is a matter of dispute.

I fail to see what that has to do with Pope benedict XVI. Pretty sure it was not him.

Well, you stated that AIDS is only being transferred by sex. Did the virus just pop into existence out of thin air during some casual homosexual intercourse then? Or what is your explanation?
If it didn't, if the virus entered the human blood stream in any other way, that would mean that you can get the infection without ever having ebil, ebil, sex....

Had me snigger, too. The resemblance is striking, though. :D
I knew it would be there:

http://popepalpatine.ytmnd.com/

but that stops the generation,

just as if everyone was gay,

as you stated earlier.

i'm waiting for a response to the protestant heretics burned by Catholicism.


If everyone avoided sex outside of marriage and sex in marriage when AIDS is in the picture, plenty of kid would still be born ( by parents who do not have aids and are married). This is obvious. I did not see anything about burning protestants...

It is not relavent at all, but I believe that you are talking about patient 0 I believe that it is a matter of dispute.

I fail to see what that has to do with Pope benedict XVI. Pretty sure it was not him.
But obviously patient 0 couldn't be a devout Catholic? The point is he didn't get it by having sex or using narcotics. Then why he got it?

here's a question for you barry:

would you rather have a child born with AIDS or aborted?

which is a worse sin?

I do not decided anything. I get my information from God.
So do a lot of other people. Of a lot of christian denominations. Of three major and one minor monotheistic religions. All with slightly or vastly different morals.
Wow, that must mean you are right.

You hit it on the head when you say "never been tried, never will be." Its because its a pipe dream. Its like saying "what if everyone stopped sinning." You should believe, as your Catholic doctrine teaches, that men have sinful little natures. Thus, you need to come up with pragmatic solutions to make the world a better place within that context rather than asserting the impossible.

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my point is that it is a noble goal and therefore a good thing. By saying that it is a "pipe dream" you ignore my point that if it was tried it would work. People will not try it because they have sin in their hearts. Are you saying that what would work should be ignored completely just because people are too dumb to catch on? If only 10% of people change their ways it would save countless lives.

Never claimed that.

Oh, now you're breaking the commandments as well, are you?

Here:


AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics.

Well, you stated that AIDS is only being transferred by sex. Did the virus just pop into existence out of thin air during some casual homosexual intercourse then? Or what is your explanation?
If it didn't, if the virus entered the human blood stream in any other way, that would mean that you can get the infection without ever having ebil, ebil, sex....

I never made that claim. That is absurd, I would never say that.

Well, you stated that AIDS is only being transferred by sex. Did the virus just pop into existence out of thin air during some casual homosexual intercourse then? Or what is your explanation?
If it didn't, if the virus entered the human blood stream in any other way, that would mean that you can get the infection without ever having ebil, ebil, sex....
You know HIV/Aids can also be transferred by blood transfers (and by a very largge quantity of saliva (some say 10l some say 30l)).
Apperantely we got it by monkeys (I'd say by blood transfers, but I'm not sure) were it wasn't harmfull at all

here's a question for you barry:

would you rather have a child born with AIDS or aborted?

which is a worse sin?

Abortion. Robbing the child of time on earth.

I never made that claim. That is absurd, I would never say that.

See my quote above... :rolleyes:

So do a lot of other people. Of a lot of christian denominations. Of three major and one minor monotheistic religions. All with slightly or vastly different morals.
Wow, that must mean you are right.

All other Christian denominations were founded by random people hundreds of years after Christ. The catholic Church was founded by Christ.

Khaban']You know HIV/Aids can also be transferred by blood transfers (and by a very largge quantity of saliva (some say 10l some say 30l)).
Apperantely we got it by monkeys (I'd say by blood transfers, but I'm not sure) were it wasn't harmfull at all

I know that. I'm trying to get it into JR's little boy's head...

Oh, now you're breaking the commandments as well, are you?

Here:

Where did I say that all aids comes from sex?

I know that. I'm trying to get it into JR's little boy's head...

And it was called the "gay plague" for years because it was spread by every facet of society right? Give me a break.

Where did I say that all aids comes from sex?

Ah, so by "devout Catholics" you are not only refering to abstaining from sex, but also from getting blood transfusions and even eating?

Ah, so by "devout Catholics" you are not only refering to abstaining from sex, but also from getting blood transfusions and even eating?

I am refering to not using narcotics. Duh. I said that thrice.

Tell me what percent of aids comes from blood transfusions and eating combined. Compare that to narcotics use and sex combined. Lets see the results......

Khaban']You know HIV/Aids can also be transferred by blood transfers (and by a very largge quantity of saliva (some say 10l some say 30l)).
Apperantely we got it by monkeys (I'd say by blood transfers, but I'm not sure) were it wasn't harmfull at all

I think it first originated, like most strange diseases, in more our more primitive evolutionary relatives, the primates in Africa. Thus, it could have been a mutated form of an original primate disease that was passed onto humans by a bite, or eating a monkey, or virtually anything. But I'm thinking it was a direct primate to human event, rather than a blood transfusion or some other artifical means.

Or Ratzinger created it to solidify his power in the Papacy. :p

All other Christian denominations were founded by random people hundreds of years after Christ. The catholic Church was founded by Christ.
If if the transmutations that the RCC went through in the centuries would not have dilluted that divine aspect, which would mean the witchhunts were santified by god, where does that put Judaism and Zoroastrism? Where does it put the Islam? All of those have divine backgrounds and morals different from yours.
Face it, there is no absolute moral, or all the people here, who are clearly not sick and perverted would have to agree with you, as you hold fast the flag of the one and only truth.

And it was called the "gay plague" for years because it was spread by every facet of society right? Give me a break.

So all you require is a lurid name invented by the yellow press to firmly believe it's fact?
Explains a thing or two about you being Catholic :D

And it was called the "gay plague" for years because it was spread by every facet of society right? Give me a break.

It was called the a gay disease because it was overrepresented in homosexuals in the United States, where it was being studied. In Africa, it has always prevaded heterosexual life.

Pope Benedict XVI is the subject of such hatred because he actualy dares to make moral judgements in an age in which "relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and "swept along by every wind of teaching", looks like the only attitude (acceptable) to today's standards. We are moving towards a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego and one's own desires."

And it was called the "gay plague" for years because it was spread by every facet of society right? Give me a break.
It was called gay plague 'cos people are ignorant.

I am refering to not using narcotics. Duh. I said that thrice.

Tell me what percent of aids comes from blood transfusions and eating combined. Compare that to narcotics use and sex combined. Lets see the results......

Honey, you were the one that claimed that "AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics." I'm simply telling you that you're either lying to us against your better knowledge or simply uninformed.

I never claimed that unprotected sex wasn't one of the major causes of the disease spreading in the 3rd world. But abstincence isn't going to get rid of it, either.

If if the transmutations that the RCC went through in the centuries would not have dilluted that divine aspect, which would mean the witchhunts were santified by god, where does that put Judaism and Zoroastrism? Where does it put the Islam? All of those have divine backgrounds and morals different from yours.
Face it, there is no absolute moral, or all the people here, who are clearly not sick and perverted would have to agree with you, as you hold fast the flag of the one and only truth.

The Catechism has become increasingly liberal regarding other faiths, particularly Jews and Muslims. It states that there is a place in the plan of salvation for each.

That, on top of accepting evolution, has really created a paradigm shift regarding Catholic theology.

Pope Benedict XVI is the subject of such hatred because he actualy dares to make moral judgements in an age in which "relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and "swept along by every wind of teaching", looks like the only attitude (acceptable) to today's standards. We are moving towards a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego and one's own desires."

Wrong.
He's being criticised for using his influence in a way that endangers people's lives needlessly.

If if the transmutations that the RCC went through in the centuries would not have dilluted that divine aspect, which would mean the witchhunts were santified by god, where does that put Judaism and Zoroastrism? Where does it put the Islam? All of those have divine backgrounds and morals different from yours.
Face it, there is no absolute moral, or all the people here, who are clearly not sick and perverted would have to agree with you, as you hold fast the flag of the one and only truth.

It puts Judiasm and Zoroastrianism in error. It puts Islam in grave error. They call have backgrounds which claim to be devine but they deny Jesus. They deny God's only son. As far as witch hunting goes.....I guess you would say that because slavery existed in America than slavery must be a very American thing to do. Give me a break, all human institutions make degrees of mistakes. some more than others.

Tropical Sands, please dont let facts get in the way of prejudice, that might lead to people waking up. And that cant be good, can it?

So all you require is a lurid name invented by the yellow press to firmly believe it's fact?
Explains a thing or two about you being Catholic :D

yep, the "yellow press" unfairly linked homosexuality to AIDS. There really is no link at all. Good grief. This has nothing to do with this thread at all. Talk about getting side tracked.

yep, the "yellow press" unfairly linked homosexuality to AIDS. There really is no link at all. Good grief. This has nothing to do with this thread at all. Talk about getting side tracked.

You introduced the topic, if I may remind you.
And no-one said no homosexuals contracted the disease. But it was just as widespread in the heterosexual community.

*rofl

The VERY DEEP south :D

Technically, yes. My family lives right next to the Swiss border.

It puts Judiasm and Zoroastrianism in error. It puts Islam in grave error. They call have backgrounds which claim to be devine but they deny Jesus. They deny God's only son. As far as witch hunting goes.....I guess you would say that because slavery existed in America than slavery must be a very American thing to do. Give me a break, all human institutions make degrees of mistakes. some more than others.

great, first you hate on gays, now jews, whats next? the handicapped from birth?

its their fault their fucked up! screw them, they cant be catholic they're not perfect! they cant cut off a sinning hand as Jesus said!

Yeah, fuck 'em, they wont listen, so we kill them.

GOOD JOB.

I am refering to not using narcotics. Duh. I said that thrice.

Tell me what percent of aids comes from blood transfusions and eating combined. Compare that to narcotics use and sex combined. Lets see the results......
Almost all hemophiliacs became infected with AIDS before they finally realized what was happening with the blood supply in the 80s. Still today roughly a quarter of AIDS infections come from infected blood supplies, improperly sterilized needles in a medical setting, and childbirth.

Have you all read the headlines in the Enquirer?

Joseph Ratzinger Gay!
New photo expose shows Ratzinger with his Scientology lover, Tom Cruise

Nice thread.
As always I am suprised where I read fundamentalists claims.
And as always the point is: they have the truth, the others don't.
They are gooood Christians, but they really don't care about other people.
They don't care if someone has other beliefs (or no beliefs at all).

The Catechism has become increasingly liberal regarding other faiths, particularly Jews and Muslims. It states that there is a place in the plan of salvation for each.

That, on top of accepting evolution, has really created a paradigm shift regarding Catholic theology.

It is very true that it has moderated. Over centuries of reflection it has become obvious that certain faiths have common bonds with Catholicism which may redeem them in part. Certainly the Jews have a very strong bond to us.
"The Church does not forbid that...research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter." that is a quote from Pope Pius XII in 1950...pre vatican II reforms and the most Conservative pope of the last hundred years.
Evolution is acceptable under Catholic doctrine, but not as a religion. Too many people use evolution as a religion.

What, beside the teachings of the faith you chose to follow, makes Jesus divine, the absolute of truth or even the person all that followed up can be credited to?
Why is your holy text true and that of other religions isnt?
And how could the set of morals named in that book be universal truth when it never spread to all the inhabitants of Earth?

Evolution is acceptable under Catholic doctrine, but not as a religion. Too many people use evolution as a religion.

Yeah, I know what you mean. My cousin sacrifices goats to her golden Darwin idol.

Wrong.
He's being criticised for using his influence in a way that endangers people's lives needlessly.

yeah, for some reason I just can't picture the Pope sitting in Africa forcing two people to have sex.....

It is very true that it has moderated. Over centuries of reflection it has become obvious that certain faiths have common bonds with Catholicism which may redeem them in part. Certainly the Jews have a very strong bond to us.
"The Church does not forbid that...research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter." that is a quote from Pope Pius XII in 1950...pre vatican II reforms and the most Conservative pope of the last hundred years.
Evolution is acceptable under Catholic doctrine, but not as a religion. Too many people use evolution as a religion.

but you just said they all deny Jesus and are 'in error'. and you denied their bond. obvious you havent reflect for enough centuries.

stop copy-pasting quotes and come up with your

OWN. DAMN. WORDS.

great, first you hate on gays, now jews, whats next? the handicapped from birth?

its their fault their fucked up! screw them, they cant be catholic they're not perfect! they cant cut off a sinning hand as Jesus said!

Yeah, fuck 'em, they wont listen, so we kill them.

GOOD JOB.

I don't hate anybody. A good deal of my family is Jewish. That does not mean that I agree with their religion. I find your handicapped from birth remark insulting, as a good friend of mine was. I really find this post vile and outside of the realm of civility.

Nice thread.
As always I am suprised where I read fundamentalists claims.
And as always the point is: they have the truth, the others don't.
They are gooood Christians, but they really don't care about other people.
They don't care if someone has other beliefs (or no beliefs at all).

I do care though, alot.

yeah, for some reason I just can't picture the Pope sitting in Africa forcing two people to have sex.....

But you don't have a problem forbidding them to have safe sex, I guess.
"Doctrine is more important than lives" seems to be his general message.

I don't hate anybody. A good deal of my family is Jewish. That does not mean that I agree with their religion. I find your handicapped from birth remark insulting, as a good friend of mine was. I really find this post vile and outside of the realm of civility.
so do i, as i type with five fingers and a nub of an elbow.

its sarcasm, violent sarcasm, sarcasm to the point of not even funny but shocking you bak to intelligence sarcasm.

i find your views on gays outside the realm of civility.
and shallow and pedantic (cookie to whoever gets the reference)

What, beside the teachings of the faith you chose to follow, makes Jesus divine, the absolute of truth or even the person all that followed up can be credited to?
Why is your holy text true and that of other religions isnt?
And how could the set of morals named in that book be universal truth when it never spread to all the inhabitants of Earth?

1) the numerous miracles of Christ and his rising from the dead. He was God's offspring. This is a better documented fact ( with first hand sources) than other events from the era that are considered to be textbook fact.
2) Christianity is the world's largest religion. God has willed this so. The great traditions of the old testament ( which are shared by Christians, Jews, and Muslims,) were completed and fulfilled by Christ and Christ alone.
3) People are flawed.

but you just said they all deny Jesus and are 'in error'. and you denied their bond. obvious you havent reflect for enough centuries.

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They are in serious error on that point. On many other points they are not. The Jesus thing is a mighty big one to miss the boat on though...

But you don't have a problem forbidding them to have safe sex, I guess.
"Doctrine is more important than lives" seems to be his general message.

His doctine would save lives. They are the ones who don't get it.

They are in serious error on that point. On many other points they are not. The Jesus thing is a mighty big one to miss the boat on though...
just to clarify, not to attack.

do you think the muslims completely deny jesus's existence, not his divinity, but the fact that he ever existed as a human being?

i find your views on gays outside the realm of civility.
and shallow and pedantic (cookie to whoever gets the reference)

Family guy! "Now that you mention it, I find this meatloaf shallow and pedantic"!

Hand over the cookie and back away slowly...

so do i, as i type with five fingers and a nub of an elbow.

its sarcasm, violent sarcasm, sarcasm to the point of not even funny but shocking you bak to intelligence sarcasm.

i find your views on gays outside the realm of civility.
and shallow and pedantic (cookie to whoever gets the reference)

no you see you just made mistake number one. You exited the realm of civility when you stopped giving facts or opinions and started serving up helpings of personal attacks on me ( a person that you don't even know).

I on the other hand, have not gone after specific persons on this forum with attacks.

1) the numerous miracles of Christ and his rising from the dead. He was God's offspring. This is a better documented fact ( with first hand sources) than other events from the era that are considered to be textbook fact.
2) Christianity is the world's largest religion. God has willed this so. The great traditions of the old testament ( which are shared by Christians, Jews, and Muslims,) were completed and fulfilled by Christ and Christ alone.
3) People are flawed.
You have first hand sources? This had ought to be quite interesting.

His doctine would save lives. They are the ones who don't get it.

It could, in a prefect world. This is not a perfect world. His doctrine is not working and will never work.
In this imperfect world, it is condemning people to an early grave.

no you see you just made mistake number one. You exited the realm of civility when you stopped giving facts or opinions and started serving up helpings of personal attacks on me ( a person that you don't even know).

I on the other hand, have not gone after specific persons on this forum with attacks.
do you understand sarcasm?

just to clarify, not to attack.

do you think the muslims completely deny jesus's existence, not his divinity, but the fact that he ever existed as a human being?

As I remember from my numerous visits to Mosques, Jesus is an important prophet in Islam. I do not "think" this I "know" this.

You have first hand sources? This had ought to be quite interesting.

You really never read your bible did you.

It could, in a prefect world. This is not a perfect world. His doctrine is not working and will never work.
In this imperfect world, it is condemning people to an early grave.

So by offering a solution that people do not follow you are killing them. They are killing themselves with their own behavior! The Pope never infected anybody.

do you understand sarcasm?

Saying that I hate Jews was sarcasm? Your sense of humor ranks up their with Vlad the impaler's.

You really never read your bible did you.

Oh, the old circular argument :

Chrisitanity is right because the bible says so. So, who wrote the bible? Christians. Then how do Christians know they're right? Because the bible says so.

I think I'm just going to lean back for a while and watch you being chased around that circle ...

You really never read your bible did you.
The bible is many things. A first hand source it is not.

As I remember from my numerous visits to Mosques, Jesus is an important prophet in Islam. I do not "think" this I "know" this.

i never assaulted your knowledge of the subject just what you thought. jeez.

could you then clarify that they deny him as the son of god and not just deny?

So by offering a solution that people do not follow you are killing them. They are killing themselves with their own behavior! The Pope never infected anybody.

There is a slight difference between offering an impractical solution and threatening all those who don't follow it with hell and damnation, wouldn't you say?

Oh, the old circular argument :

Chrisitanity is right because the bible says so. So, who wrote the bible? Christians. Then how do Christians know they're right? Because the bible says so.

I think I'm just going to lean back for a while and watch you being chased around that circle ...

Wrong, none of the men who participated in the creation of the new testament were born Christians. They were converted Christians by what they, and thousands of others, saw with their own eyes.

i find your views on gays outside the realm of civility.
and shallow and pedantic (cookie to whoever gets the reference)

Hey, you have to remember that THEY have the correct definition of civilty.
Is not a matter of opinions, what civil is is written in stone as the ten commandements.
To be Gay, or to be different, is just to be wrong.
I am happy if i see two gay people happy kissing each other in a public street, because they are happy, because I feel free in a free country that don't condemn such acts, because maybe tomorrow I will discover that I am gay or my children will be gay but still they have the rigths to be happy.
they are eager to point theyr fingers and scream SIN!

You arent in the slightest open to discussion since you know it all, as was being taught to you by a) a faulty human being, which would make that claim useless; or b) God or Jesus themself, which would place you in the delusional corner of society.
I shall abstain from any further discussion, even if you might see this as a victory of your ultimate truth above a filthy heathen with no morals. Most people reading this will not agree with that viewpoint and i take great consolence in the knowledge that people of your type will fortunately stay a fringe group.
The are better ways of wasting my time which lead to less brain hurt, training poodles to recite chinese poetry among them.

Wrong, none of the men who participated in the creation of the new testament were born Christians. They were converted Christians by what they, and thousands of others, saw with their own eyes.

And how does that contradict what I stated?

i never assaulted your knowledge of the subject just what you thought. jeez.

could you then clarify that they deny him as the son of god and not just deny?

Well, I answered that...how could they deny him if they accept him as a prophet? Of course they view him as the Son of God. They had it right up until this part about Muhammad.

There is a slight difference between offering an impractical solution and threatening all those who don't follow it with hell and damnation, wouldn't you say?

Who does that?

You arent in the slightest open to discussion since you know it all, as was being taught to you by a) a faulty human being, which would make that claim useless; or b) God or Jesus themself, which would place you in the delusional corner of society.
I shall abstain from any further discussion, even if you might see this as a victory of your ultimate truth above a filthy heathen with no morals. Most people reading this will not agree with that viewpoint and i take great consolence in the knowledge that people of your type will fortunately stay a fringe group.
The are better ways of wasting my time which lead to less brain hurt, training poodles to recite chinese poetry among them.


Quoted for emphasis

:fluffle:

Saying that I hate Jews was sarcasm? Your sense of humor ranks up their with Vlad the impaler's.
first of all, i said you 'hated on'. different from 'hate'.

second, you said jews are in error. 'hating on' them.

third, the post was showing how this could go if someone loses it.

thats ************* sarcasm.

fourth, why would i attack myself?

There is a slight difference between offering an impractical solution and threatening all those who don't follow it with hell and damnation, wouldn't you say?

First of all it is a great solution and it is not the Pope's fault that they ignore it. It is their fault. The Pope threatens nobody with Hell. The bible does it, it threatens those who sin and do not repent.

AIDS would not exist if all people were devout Catholics.

uh! develop this one please.
besides, you are *dangerous*, you know?

Hey, you have to remember that THEY have the correct definition of civilty.
Is not a matter of opinions, what civil is is written in stone as the ten commandements.
To be Gay, or to be different, is just to be wrong.
I am happy if i see two gay people happy kissing each other in a public street, because they are happy, because I feel free in a free country that don't condemn such acts, because maybe tomorrow I will discover that I am gay or my children will be gay but still they have the rigths to be happy.
they are eager to point theyr fingers and scream SIN!

Well, Well, Well, now I think if you are "different" you are wrong. I hope that is sarcasm again. Everyone is different. No two people are the same.

And I will not scream at a gay couple any more than I would scream at a person who was robbing a store. It is not part of how I roll. But seriously, you can be happy all you want. Just don't disobey God to be happy.

Well, I answered that...how could they deny him if they accept him as a prophet? Of course they view him as the Son of God. They had it right up until this part about Muhammad.

you said they deny him. you said they deny him just like jews.

we accept moses and elijah as prophets but not the son of god.

if they accept him as son of god why dont they revere him? because they dont believe he is the son of man.

First of all it is a great solution and it is not the Pope's fault that they ignore it. It is their fault. The Pope threatens nobody with Hell. The bible does it, it threatens those who sin and do not repent.

If it was a great solution, it would work.
Communism was a great solution to the world's problems, too, and it failed for the exact same reason : People aren't perfect. They might try to be or might not, but as long as not everybody is 100% perfect, neither abstinence nor communism is ever going.

If one solution is not working, look for one that does. As long as you cling to the immpractical solution as the only one, it will continue to cost lives. And personally, I put people's lives above any doctrine.

The are better ways of wasting my time which lead to less brain hurt, training poodles to recite chinese poetry among them.

Hey, training poodles can be fun. So can Chinese mandarin. I just got back from China.....

uh! develop this one please.
besides, you are *dangerous*, you know?

Nah, he isn't. Nobody's taking him very seriously. ;)

Well, Well, Well, now I think if you are "different" you are wrong. I hope that is sarcasm again. Everyone is different. No two people are the same.

And I will not scream at a gay couple any more than I would scream at a person who was robbing a store. It is not part of how I roll. But seriously, you can be happy all you want. Just don't disobey God to be happy.

Which god? Last time I checked humanity had a couple hundred....

we accept moses and elijah as prophets

Who is "we" and why would anyone do that? And do you see Elijah as a role model?

you said they deny him. you said they deny him just like jews.

we accept moses and elijah as prophets but not the son of god.

if they accept him as son of god why dont they revere him? because they dont believe he is the son of man.

They deny Jesus in that they deny that he is the center of the faith, the focal point, the source.

They deny Jesus in that they deny that he is the center of the faith, the focal point, the source.

That might be for the simple reason that according to their belief, he isn't.

If it was a great solution, it would work.
Communism was a great solution to the world's problems, too, .

Ever read the manifesto? It is laughably insane when taken for what it is. Even if it was put in place and people did actualy try it, it is still idiotic.

Who is "we" and why would anyone do that? And do you see Elijah as a role model?
christians.

they are in the bible, you know, the part no one reads except for the first three lines? the back of your bible that doesnt have direct quotes of jesus in it?

what the hell does believing some one is a prophet have to do with seeing them as a role model?

get this: there are more prophets than jesus in christianity GASP!

Nah, he isn't. Nobody's taking him very seriously. ;)

Nobody is staying on topic , including you

Ever read the manifesto? It is laughably insane when taken for what it is. Even if it was put in place and people did actualy try it, it is still idiotic.

Sound familiar? :D

Which god? Last time I checked humanity had a couple hundred....

The God that 3.5 Billion people believe in. You know...the fellow on the Sistine chaple cieling.

Nobody is staying on topic , including you

take he beam out of your own eye before you take the splinter out of your neighbor's eye.

from the Man Himself.

Nobody is staying on topic , including you

Not my thread, so why should I? ;)

The God that 3.5 Billion people believe in. You know...the fellow on the Sistine chaple cieling.

If you are refering to Christianity, that's 2.1 billion for you. Estimated.

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity)

Pope Benedict was never a Nazi. he has been a spirtual leader of great intellect and genius. Today he is as good a leader as the Catholic Church has ever had. I particularly like his views on moral relativism's problems. If anybody has somthing to say about a topic other than AIDS and how many dieties are worshipped in the hinterlands of the dark continent, I would love to read it.

Pope Benedict was never a Nazi. he has been a spirtual leader of great intellect and genius. Today he is as good a leader as the Catholic Church has ever had. I particularly like his views on moral relativism's problems. If anybody has somthing to say about a topic other than AIDS and how many dieties are worshipped in the hinterlands of the dark continent, I would love to read it.

I met him in Germany. I think he's what the Catholic church deserves. :D

I met him in Germany. :D

How by chance did that happen.

Ever read the manifesto? It is laughably insane when taken for what it is. Even if it was put in place and people did actualy try it, it is still idiotic.
Well done, little thing. The War on Terror is a much more pragmatic way of solving all the world's problems than a pathetic piece of paper.

*tears copy of manifesto into 666 pieces*

But seriously, you can be happy all you want. Just don't disobey God to be happy.

But i will be happy disobeying your god (maybe not mine).

yeah.....so about the Pope...

How by chance did that happen.
how by chance do you know mandarin?

how by chance did you visit a mosque so many times?

how by chance am i using this?

yeah.....so about the Pope...
you steer it off topic and bring it back. good for you. :)

how by chance do you know mandarin?

how by chance did you visit a mosque so many times?

how by chance am i using this?

1) I do not know mandarin, but after my month in China I came away with an appeciation for its beauty and fluidity.
2) I have a good friend who has invited me to his Mosque many times ( does that shock you? I bet it does.,,,,,)
3) I don't know

One thing is clear, Benedict is a genius. He speaks 7 languages and his theological books are the standard by which all others are based, in many people's opinion.

yeah.....so about the Pope...
I hate him... For a start, he's banning guitars from churches... Took me centuries to corrupt priests to allow evil musical instruments in catholic churches...

most of the "librals" on this forum are about as much of a bigot as they come by, calling everyone who disagrees with you backwaters or an idiot just means your as much of one as they are, probly worse if anything. If you want to be libral be open minded, not an open ass. its a very simple thing to do.

and im not a concervative im a sociolist for one (evolutionary if anyone studies the branches of sociolism), I just dont think many "librals" should call them selfs one

Pope Benedict XVI also had more experience as a Cardinal than any other Pope since Benedict XIII was elected in 1724.

How by chance did that happen.

During my confirmation.

I hate him... For a start, he's banning guitars from churches... Took me centuries to corrupt priests to allow evil musical instruments in catholic churches...


ooooo the HATE word again. A word that I do not like to use. I am on the Pope's side on the Guitar thing....it has nothing to do with Satan, it has to do with tradition. The old chants and Latin hymns really have a beauty and mystery that modern Christian folk music...lacks severely.

Pope Benedict XVI also had more experience as a Cardinal than any other Pope since Benedict XIII was elected in 1724.
Experience is everything in matters of faith...

During my confirmation.

Neat. Please do tell. Your impression.

Damn... The great flaming and "debate" on catholic church decayed to simple glorification of the Pope, who doesn't deserve it. Sure he's smart, but... Oh well, I'm not going to repeat what others have said in the thread for a dozen times. I hate being late.

ooooo the HATE word again. A word that I do not like to use. I am on the Pope's side on the Guitar thing....it has nothing to do with Satan, it has to do with tradition. The old chants and Latin hymns really have a beauty and mystery that modern Christian folk music...lacks severely.
Tradition? Go back to Aramaic chants, if you want true tradition! Leave my evil guitars alone.

Neat. Please do tell.

Well. During his sermon I decided to quit the Catholic church as soon as I could. He represented all I ever despised about the church. All intellect and no compassion.

That's about the most positive thing I can say about him, I guess.

Experience is everything in matters of faith...

I do not agree with that, but it helps. Being a Priest for 54 years and a Cardinal for 28 of those , along with a doctorate in theology certainly helps clarify some weighty issues that Pope's face.

Well. During his sermon I decided to quit the Catholic church as soon as I could. He represented all I ever despised about the church. All intellect and no compassion.

That's about the most positive thing I can say about him, I guess.

ouch. i'm catholic and i dont think i want to hear him speak.

Well. During his sermon I decided to quit the Catholic church as soon as I could. He represented all I ever despised about the church. All intellect and no compassion.

That's about the most positive thing I can say about him, I guess.
I am sorry to read that. I can see you have not had the best of experiences.

ouch. i'm catholic and i dont think i want to hear him speak.

Why?

I really dont care about the pope one way or another for one reason, im not catholic, and really anyone who isnt catholic's opinion is a waste of time. It dosnt effect you, you have nothing to do with it, he is a leader of a christian denomination that you are not part of. So what every your little faith is, if its not catholic, what you say is about as valuble as what happens to your food a day or two after you eat it.

All I know is my family who is (most of it, im Irish) likes him, and thats all I really care about. Ill let those of a faith decide about leaders of a faith, and ill stick to bashing the way FCNL is going to hell, and hoping the new leader of Western will do well as I know him personally. (unless your in the socioty of friends you dont understand any of this anyways.)

I am sorry to read that. I can see you have not had the best of experiences.

Oh, with regular Catholics, plenty. I went to a convent school and loved it. But then, our nuns didn't take doctrine to seriously and definitely put humanity before religion :D
It's when I realised that by doing so, others considered them sinners that I decided I didn't want anything to do with this club any more.

I do not agree with that, but it helps. Being a Priest for 54 years and a Cardinal for 28 of those , along with a doctorate in theology certainly helps clarify some weighty issues that Pope's face.
AH! I've got thousands of priests and cardinals, with doctorates in theology, feeding the fires of Hell!

Why?
because i believe what i believe but would like the church as a fallback if they change.

Pope Benedict was never a Nazi. he has been a spirtual leader of great intellect and genius. Today he is as good a leader as the Catholic Church has ever had. I particularly like his views on moral relativism's problems. If anybody has somthing to say about a topic other than AIDS and how many dieties are worshipped in the hinterlands of the dark continent, I would love to read it.

pope benedict represents an institution that is responsible for the murder and assassination of countless people.

Oh, with regular Catholics, plenty. I went to a convent school and loved it. But then, our nuns didn't take doctrine to seriously and definitely put humanity before religion :D
It's when I realised that by doing so, others considered them sinners that I decided I didn't want anything to do with this club any more.
you just have to believe what you want to believe.

free will.

pope benedict represents an institution that is responsible for the murder and assassination on countless people.

yes the church, we've established that.

you just have to believe what you want to believe.

free will.

I do that anyway. No need to associate with an institution that I don't agree with....

pope benedict represents an institution that is responsible for the murder and assassination on countless people.

Just like evvvviilllll George Bush right?

It seems to me as if nobody actualy wants to speak of the Pope himself ( unless you count that bad confirmation experience). Just rants against religion and AIDS rants. See y'all later.

Just like evvvviilllll George Bush right?

Not quite. JR's just representing, GW is actively using his institution.

Just like evvvviilllll George Bush right?
Everybody knows that little George is a man of love and peace. He has said it many times. I hate him. He is a shame to mankind. He should be listening more carefully to is evangelist friends who speak out against gays. He should be doing everything within reach to ensure that niggers don't vote. He should be spreading war and death over the world. Instead he speaks of peace and freedom.

It seems to me as if nobody actualy wants to speak of the Pope himself ( unless you count that bad confirmation experience). Just rants against religion and AIDS rants. See y'all later.

actually, i did (and others did, better than me)
you can check my post above.
then you started talking about bush.

It seems to me as if nobody actualy wants to speak of the Pope himself ( unless you count that bad confirmation experience). Just rants against religion and AIDS rants. See y'all later.

What exactly did you expect? You open a thread about a highly controversial figure that represents a highly controversial institution, promoting a highly controversial doctrine and react shocked and insulted if controversy ensues?

Welcome to NS, hon. :D

What exactly did you expect? You open a thread about a highly controversial figure that represents a highly controversial institution, promoting a highly controversial doctrine and react shocked and insulted if controversy ensues?

Welcome to NS, hon. :D
this was a good learning experience. he learned how to argue without flaming/trolling!

the main reason in this thread that people want to attack the pope is just becouse they dont like the catholic church, they dont think people have the right to believe what they want with out fear of being attacked by others. they are just abunch of nazi's really. (think about it)

I for one dont see anythign wrong with the pope, and his past is a good one, he was born in a horrible time to live, Catholics were not treated well by the Nazi's, they were also sent to the camps. he risked a horrible retaliation with one of the strongest totalitarion regimes the world has ever seen. and he did it for his faith and what he felt was right. I think if you want to bash that your a horribel person and are about as valuble as dirt. if you dont agree with someone's faith, dosnt make them evil, thinking they are evil makes you that.

I for one dont see anythign wrong with the pope, and his past is a good one, he was born in a horrible time to live, Catholics were not treated well by the Nazi's, they were also sent to the camps.
Yes... I hate the Nazis... They allowed priests to try to convert Jews before sending them to the gas chambers... I lost a few souls there... Damn Nazis...

the main reason in this thread that people want to attack the pope is just becouse they dont like the catholic church, they dont think people have the right to believe what they want with out fear of being attacked by others. they are just abunch of nazi's really. (think about it)

I for one dont see anythign wrong with the pope, and his past is a good one, he was born in a horrible time to live, Catholics were not treated well by the Nazi's, they were also sent to the camps. he risked a horrible retaliation with one of the strongest totalitarion regimes the world has ever seen. and he did it for his faith and what he felt was right. I think if you want to bash that your a horribel person and are about as valuble as dirt. if you dont agree with someone's faith, dosnt make them evil, thinking they are evil makes you that.

I don't have any beef with his past, it's his present I don't agree with.
No, I don't like him. I don't like the Catholic church. But I do like most Catholics. Some of them quite a lot, actually.
Thanks for calling me a Nazi, hasn't happened in quite a while :rolleyes: