NationStates Jolt Archive

as a muslim, I find that very offensive. On the same token, because some groups of Christianity think that woman are second class and servants, i can say that Christianity is insane and a stain on the world.

As a non-muslim, I dont care.

You can think what you want about Christianity, but your not gonna find the same amount of facts and sources and supporters that support your arguuement as the ones that support my accusation against Islam.

Aslo, I'm not Christian, so I could care less about what you have to say against Christianity. I dont mind Christianity at all, and my best friends are Christian.

why do the Pals keep prisoners anyways..:confused: Its too much trouble.
they should just shoot them on the field.

well, there are religious kibutzes and right supporter kibutzes, but mostly your statement is true.

Well there are exceptions, but the whole system of the Kibbutzim is a sort of Communism, so more often than not, the people who live there are going to be left wing and secular...quite opposite of the people who live in Jerusalem.

well, there are religious kibutzes and right supporter kibutzes, but mostly your statement is true.
isnt a kibutze is like this farm in the desert???

why do the Pals keep prisoners anyways.. Its too much trouble.
they should just shoot them on the field.

I'd love to see what would happen to your beloved arabs if they did that.

I think the whole world would just grab a bag of popcorn and watch the Palestinians evaporate.

What is the logic in mounting in invasion of Gaza, risking the lives of not only your own personnel and comrades but the lives of innocent palestinians and israelis for just ONE soldier? Since when did the army of any country give a flying f*ck about one soldier? [especially since he isnt even armoured corps] It's an excuse, a poor excuse, made by an oppurtunistic government to get itself back into Gaza.

The US Army Rangers stayed in a Mogadishu neighborhood in order to retrieve the dead bodies of US Army helicopter pilots, and lost 18 people and many more wounded.

What do you mean, "when did the army of any country give a flying f*ck" ?

isnt a kibutze is like this farm in the desert???

Most of them are in the grassy hills, I think...(I've been to one) and they are communist farming societies set up in isolated areas.

why do the Pals keep prisoners anyways..:confused: Its too much trouble.
they should just shoot them on the field.


they try to trade them with the 8000 kidnapped palestinians in Israeli prisons..

PALs are helpless, and this seems to be the only solution....

anyways, igtg now to give my littel bro a haircut... ill resume tomorow... hopefully

I'd love to see that...that makes two of us. ;)

Since when did the army of any country give a flying f*ck about one soldier?

Somalia, US Rangers/Delta Force. Captured Black Hawk pilot.

Most western armies care for their soldiers (as opposed to strapping them with dynimite and sending them at children)

It pisses me off that people think Islam is a backward, intolerant religion.

It pisses me off how non-believers who defend Islam are still non-believers and will be killed.

they should just shoot them on the field.

That will show those pesky jooos to defend their country and families!

so basically your twisting my words to suit your debat, which is a pretty dirty way to debate... and i refuse to use,

so returning to the point, i didnt say that Gambling and prostitution means westeners, i meant the outside world, the non-religious world, Islam didnt want to see Mecca turn into Las-Vegas, or Monaco, or San Fransico, or Beirut or Dubai, this small rule of forbidding non-muslims to eneter has caused in a way Mecca to become a spiritual place, where everything is nothing but made for Muslims... starting from the welcome board, to the shops everywhere.. etc...
the USA is making sanction on Libya and allowed no foreigner to enter Libya...

is the US intolerant???

That is so different its not even funny, do you even know WHY?

Also, I think we just lifted that rule.

Israel + Palestine = Isralestine? Palesrael? or perhaps the Republic of Jerusalem...

that makes two of us. ;)

You'd love to see the defeat of the "people" you defend?

Interesting tactic.....:rolleyes:

Israel + Palestine = Isralestine? Palesrael? or perhaps the Republic of Jerusalem...

Israel+ Palestine= Palestine with a few million dead Israelis.

ok... this is rather Utopian kind of speaking, do you really thinki Israel is ready to negociate??, and if they are, do you think the Arabs will EVER trust them, after all they have the reputation of backstabing their enemies in the back, right??

Do you know anything about the History of this conflict? How many times have the Israeli's negotiated, have it accepted and then been attacked by the same terrorists.

You'd love to see the defeat of the "people" you defend?

Interesting tactic.....:rolleyes:Its not my War.. Its yours.
You are Jewish, i am not.

Not only, because Israel has some German submarines (as far as I know), I'm worried about the whole situation. Probably, I will NEVER understand why there can't be peace. Even if you call me stupid or tell me some stories...

Its not my War.. Its yours.
You are Jewish, i am not.

Its actually not my war either...I'm not Israel.

Though I do support them 100%

I'm just saying that you have an interesting way of doing things....hoping to see the downfall of the nation you are supporting....

please have the gutts to include my whole quote, i was referring that this is the actions that Arabs should take incase of Israel starts killing palestinians... if you mean that Arabs should ask for peace after being bombed, then you are asking for the Arabs to be slapped in tha face then ask for forgiveness...

would you do that???

look what the US did after being bombed in 9.11, they kicked some ASS... what i was saying is that Israel bombing Gaza should be faught back, if not then they should go to the Peave tables, which i dont believe will happen in the near future...

Yep and kidnapping an Israeli soldier should go unresponded. Yep. Nice to see the double standard.

Is it true that Israel has some 100 ICBMs?

Not only, because Israel has some German submarines (as far as I know), I'm worried about the whole situation. Probably, I will NEVER understand why there can't be peace. Even if you call me stupid or tell me some stories...

Because while Israel has just tried to secure its right to live and exist, arab states and arab leaders have pledged that they will stop at nothing until Israel is destroyed, wiped of the map.

Thats why there cant be peace, my German friend.

... I will NEVER understand why there can't be peace. The Pals are convinced that a Great Injustice was forced upon their nation by US/Israel.. and I agree with them

For as long as they are convinced of that.. there will be no peace.

Is it true that Israel has some 100 ICBMs?

Probably and hopefully.

Its actually not my war either...I'm not Israel.

Though I do support them 100%

I'm just saying that you have an interesting way of doing things....hoping to see the downfall of the nation you are supporting....

Ocean has a long history of posting that he wants the West to be utterly defeated by Arabs and Muslims.

The Pals are convinced that a Great Injustice was forced upon their nation by US/Israel.. and I agree with them

For as long as they are convinced of that.. there will be no peace.

/Germany/England/the U.N./the rest of the fucking civilized world.

Ocean has a long history of posting that he wants the West to be utterly defeated by Arabs and Muslims.

Then it seems he has a long history of posting as an idiot.

Him and Kieven Prussia, I think.

WOW, please get the violen guy off my back....

Israel backstabed Arabs when a cease fire was made in 1967, but then the sixday war started...
israel attacked another arab country only a couple of years after peace with Egypt, which Egypt offered btw, and Israel was obligated to accept, since they would look really bad refusing peace... internationally speaking ofcourse... Israel was negotiating with Arafat while bombing the hell out of Gaza and West Bank... Israel has a pretty good reputation of that...

Talk about revisionism.

Talk about revisionism.

He would make the holocaust deniers proud.

Yep and kidnapping an Israeli soldier should go unresponded. Yep. Nice to see the double standard.I consider Israel/Palestina a war zone..

so any soldier around there should be expected to die or be captured.
using the word "Kidnapped" is retarded.

If Israel has nukes, I think Iran should have nukes. Everybody's happy.

I consider Israel/Palestina a war zone..

so any soldier aroind there should be expected to die or be captured.
using the word "Kidnapped" is retarded.

Well, then you shouldn't be surprised when Israel steamrolls over Gaza, since you think it's a war zone.

I consider Israel/Palestina a war zone..

so any soldier aroind there should be expected to die or be captured.
using the word "Kidnapped" is retarded.

What you consider, hardly matters, tool.

Israel is not a war zone, the arab terrorities maybe.

Jerusalem was given to Arabs in the UN partition, which Israel agreed on, so now your claiming it back again???

WRONG!!! Under the UN Resolution, Jerusalem was supposed to be AN INTERNATIONAL CITY!!! Not an Arab one. nice try.

If Israel has nukes, I think Iran should have nukes. Everybody's happy.

Yeah, thats exactly what the situation needs, more firepowers for the savages.:rolleyes:

/Germany/England/the U.N./the rest of the fucking civilized world.Germany/UK/UN are NOT actively helping kill palestinenas.. like the US is doing.

Which, the savage Jews or Savage Moslems?

wow... the violen guy popped out again... please some one tie him up...
I din't sure what you mean by this, but my I heard some arguments, please?

Germany/Engalnd/UN are NOT actively helping kill palestinenas.. like the US is doing.

Dont misinterpret my posts...you were talking about who "stole" the land...those were simply other nations/bodies who helped create Israel.

How is America helping kill Palestinians?

they try to trade them with the 8000 kidnapped palestinians in Israeli prisons..

PALs are helpless, and this seems to be the only solution....


Kidnapped Palestinians? The Palestinians in Israeli jails are terrorists that were caught attempting to murder Israelis. That's why they are in jail, because they are terrorists.

Pals are helpless? They don't seem to be so helpless in all the pictures I see of them prancing around with RPGs on their shoulders and in their bomb building factories.

There would be no invasion right now if Gilad Shalit had not been kidnapped. There would be peace if the Pals truly wanted it and laid down thier arms. What is so hard to understand about all this. Israel only maintains a presence in the disputed territories to ensure the security of its citizens from constant Arab attacks which have been ongoing since Israel became a state.

If the terrorists are attacking because of a supposed "occupation," what explains the attacks on Israel by the Arabs preceding the 1967 war when Israel won a defensive war that was perpetrated with the intent of Jewish annihilation in the Middle East.

Germany/UK/UN are NOT actively helping kill palestinenas.. like the US is doing.
Really? And how are US forces killing Palestinians?

I consider Israel/Palestina a war zone..

so any soldier aroind there should be expected to die or be captured.
using the word "Kidnapped" is retarded.
Really, what's the big fuss about a soldier being kidnapped? He's a fucking soldier, he's lucky if he wasn't fucking shot. I'm sure invading Palestine to recover a kidnapped soldier will teach the Palestinian terrorists to take no prisoners and shoot soldiers where they stand.

Which, the savage Jews or Savage Moslems?

If I need to answer that, you are already a lost case.

Really, what's the big fuss about a soldier being kidnapped? he's a fucking soldier, he's lucky if he wasn't fucking shot.

Boy am I glad your not in charge of anything.

A human isnt a statistic, hes a person.

I'm sure you'd feel alot different if he was your brother/father/you.

Well, then you shouldn't be surprised when Israel steamrolls over Gaza, since you think it's a war zone.I will not be surprised, Will you?

hmmm, i guess stealling is!!!!
stealing a whole nation is legitimate???

HAHAHAHA!! *dies of laughter*

YOU GUYS STOLE AN ENTIRE NATION, and your talking about the legitimacy of Kidnapping, and please cut the your way of thinking and mentality shit, i mean, Arab mentality isnt any different then Israeli, i have lived with both and i found that they both think alike, only they view the other side the opposite..

Stole an entire nation my butt. There would be 2 states now (as perscribed by international law) if the terror stops.

Really, what's the big fuss about a soldier being kidnapped? he's a fucking soldier, he's lucky if he wasn't fucking shot.

Really, what's the big fuss about Israel steamrolling the Palestinians? They're at war - they're lucky the Israelis don't push them into the sea once and for all.

Kidnapped Palestinians? The Palestinians in Israeli jails are terrorists that were caught attempting to murder Israelis. That's why they are in jail, because they are terrorists.

Pals are helpless? They don't seem to be so helpless in all the pictures I see of them prancing around with RPGs on their shoulders and in their bomb building factories.

There would be no invasion right now if Gilad Shalit had not been kidnapped. There would be peace if the Pals truly wanted it and laid down thier arms. What is so hard to understand about all this. Israel only maintains a presence in the disputed territories to ensure the security of its citizens from constant Arab attacks which have been ongoing since Israel became a state.

If the terrorists are attacking because of a supposed "occupation," what explains the attacks on Israel by the Arabs preceding the 1967 war when Israel won a defensive war that was perpetrated with the intent of Jewish annihilation in the Middle East.

Good post, glad to see a fellow Floridian knows what hes talking about!

Boy am I glad your not in charge of anything.

A human isnt a statistic, hes a person.

I'm sure you'd feel alot different if he was your brother/father/you.
You miss the entire point.
He is a person, but he is still a soldier - aperson commissioned to go and fight in major engagements regardless of any consequences. Would they be invading Gaza if the soldier had simply been shot and left in the street?

I will not be surprised, Will you?
It's already happenning. I'm not surprised that the Palestinians did something so stupid as to provoke the Israelis.

HAHAHAHA
MY IGNORANCE IS SHOPWING???
HAHAHAHAHAHA
PLEASE.....

ok. the dome of the rock is holy to Muslims because it was built over the rock believed that prophet Mohamed went to god... and a mosques was built on it, how is that a Jewsih and a Christian holy site??

You know nothing of history do you? Its a jewish site because that was the same site where the Temple was built by Solomon. You know...the one destroyed in the revolt against the Romans?

You miss the entire point.
He is a person, but he is still a soldier - aperson commissioned to go and fight in major engagements regardless of any consequences. Would they be invading Gaza if the soldier had simply been shot and left in the street?

I'd hope so.

You give the arabs an inch and they'll take a mile.

LOL...Oh, do pipe down, skippy.

Skippy? Skippy? What the fuck is your problem?

I'd hope so.

You give the arabs an inch and they'll take a mile.
I spy with my little eye.. racism!
Seriously, what bullshit. He was a soldier, he was lucky he wasn't shot and they will be lucky if he is found alive after this fiasco.

then where are you from, USA???

I guess you don't read location tags? I see you're in egypt. No you odn't have the right to close off the Suez canal.

dp

While I'm against anti-Semitism, just the same, Israel is definitely wrong here. I'm not sure Israel should be in the Middle East, it's unfair to Islam, which was there first. Also the USA should give back their land to the Native Americans, because they were there first. I hate how bad the world is.

Um... so Israel should move?

What is the logic in mounting in invasion of Gaza, risking the lives of not only your own personnel and comrades but the lives of innocent palestinians and israelis for just ONE soldier? Since when did the army of any country give a flying f*ck about one soldier? [especially since he isnt even armoured corps] It's an excuse, a poor excuse, made by an oppurtunistic government to get itself back into Gaza.

It pisses me off that people think Islam is a backward, intolerant religion. Jesus, thats what every religion is. Thats how the operate. The west is no better, look at how we treat are women - they get paid less in almost every industry except one - pornography. Oh women are free alright, free to take their clothes off as long as we can watch.

Israel is a farce. It exists because of Western guilt over how the Jews got screwed during World War II, which of course the Allies knew about, but choose to do nothing about. They were too busy nuking Nagasaki, levelling Dresden and overrunning eastern Europe from those evol Nazi's!israel is the only countrey who will send groups to the other side of the world to find some lost israeli tourist, negotiate for release of israelis from terror groups or jails, and help the israeli tourist
while they mugged, injured or get into trouble. we send troops to every natural disaster in the world to help the poor victims (from whereeverand they are), and find israeli tourist tracks.
I can ensure you we do care for this one soldier and the other settler who were kidnapd. it isn't just excuse.

I guess you don't read location tags? I see you're in egypt. No you odn't have the right to close off the Suez canal.
Yes, the location tags that you can type anything into.

I spy with my little eye.. racism!
Seriously, what bullshit. He was a soldier, he was lucky he wasn't shot and they will be lucky if he is found alive after this fiasco.

Of course hes lucky....duh.

As for racism, whatever..call it what you wish, I could care less.

Um... so Israel should move?Yes.

Yes, the location tags that you can type anything into.

And I would lie about being a Southern Californian turned South Floridian, why?

Yes.

Oh dont be a fool, its not a mobile home.

Israel is going to stay there until the death.

It's already happenning. I'm not surprised that the Palestinians did something....Will you be surprised If there is a multiplication of suicide attacks on Israel/US as a result of the Invasion. ???

The only thing good about Ariel Sharon is that he's dead now.

Will you be surprised If there is a multiplication of suicide attacks on Israel/US as a result of the Invasion. ???

What country are you from?

Are you English?

Yes.

Right, get the massive helicopter fleets, we're airlifting Israel too...

Well where should they move to?

The only thing good about Ariel Sharon is that he's dead now.

The only good thing about you is that you'll be dead in the future.

Now shhhh, if you dont have anything to add to the convo, dont just troll.....let the grown ups talk.

Oh dont be a fool, its not a mobile home.they created a political entity (Israel) in Palestina.. They can recreate it in Rhode Island.. or Europe.

Right, get the massive helicopter fleets, we're airlifting Israel too...

Well where should they move to?

My friend thinks they should move to Oregon. I think they should move to Florida, and then Florida should be given to Cuba.

The only good thing about you is that you'll be dead in the future.

Now shhhh, if you dont have anything to add to the convo, dont just troll.....let the grown ups talk.
Yeah sure, you see any grown ups around here?

they created a political entity (Israel) in Palestina.. They can recreate it in Rhode Island.. or Europe.

No they cant...Israel isnt just a political entity....its about a homeland, a country...a spiritual place...all of those aspects make up the land that is Israel and make it unique.

The only good thing about you is that you'll be dead in the future.

Now shhhh, if you dont have anything to add to the convo, dont just troll.....let the grown ups talk.

Now shhh, if you don't have anything to add to life, go be emo somewhere else and let the people who aren't retards talk,

Well where should they move to?some island in North-America or Europe.

My friend thinks they should move to Oregon. I think they should move to Florida, and then Florida should be given to Cuba.

I think you and your friend are tools.

What are you even going on about now?

Will you be surprised If there is a multiplication of suicide attacks on Israel/US as a result of the Invasion. ???

The US isn't invading Gaza. Palestinians have yet to mount the same types of attacks that al-Q has done.

It's rather hard to attack Israel "more" than they're doing already - they have no relevant conventional military force, and they have a limited supply of small arms and explosives with which to cause problems.

Well there are exceptions, but the whole system of the Kibbutzim is a sort of Communism, so more often than not, the people who live there are going to be left wing and secular...quite opposite of the people who live in Jerusalem.
streotypes from the past. the current kibutzes are much more capitalistic after the great economical crash. large percents of the kibutzes start to pay different salaries for each member, every children sleep with his family and not in the children-garden, and we pay for the food we ate.
I don't know why I bother to telling it, since even my urban friends in israel can't understand what the current kibbutz is.

Now shhh, if you don't have anything to add to life, go be emo somewhere else and let the people who aren't retards talk,

Lol, you couldnt be more wrong....and dont use my insults against me, I would hope your not THAT junior and that you could come up with some of your own. :p

some island in North-America or Europe.

Do we have any uninhabited islands that are big enough on either of those continents? Ooh, how about Greenland?

Lol, you couldnt be more wrong....and dont use my insults against me, I would hope your not THAT junior and that you could come up with some of your own. :p

You're calling me junior, you little anarcho-capitalist hippie? I DON'T THINK SO!

No they cant...Israel isnt just a political entity....its about a homeland, a country...a spiritual place...all of those aspects make up the land that is Israel and make it unique.Israel was not there
before 1967, and it was more peaceful, we want peaceful back.

I you care about that "spiritual homeland" BS so much.. why have you not moved there yet?

I think you and your friend are tools.

What are you even going on about now?

I really don't know

streotypes from the past. the current kibutzes are much more capitalistic after the great economical crash. large percents of the kibutzes start to pay different salaries for each member, every children sleep with his family and not in the children-garden, and we pay for the food we ate.
I don't know why I bother to telling it, since even my urban friends in israel can't understand what the current kibbutz is.

They still are fundementally communist societies...even if they have gotten more Capitalist in recent times.

I was just at one around Christmas.

umm.. no, Lhasa is forbidned by foreigners to visite, but it has changed under the chinese occupation, regardless, yet again, why do you want to go to Mecca???
its a holy city for Muslims why do you want to go their???

How about for historical reasons? Or maybe to learn more about Islam? Or maybe just to visit as a tourist for no other reason?

I think you and your friend are tools.

What are you even going on about now?

Their anti-semitism is showing. They want to send the Jews to another place, and then place them under the rule of Cuba.

In 1941, as a student at a Catholic school run by Spanish Jesuit priests who were sympathizers of fascism at that time, Castro was looking for his ideology.

Displaying a fascination with power, war and domination since childhood, Castro discovered fascism and promenaded around campus with a copy of Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" in his armpit.

According to many fellow students, "the crazy," as he was nicknamed, mimicked the speeches of Hitler and Mussolini in front of a mirror, practicing their mannerisms hour after hour. When Castro entered the University of Havana in 1945, he soon joined a gangster-type group and carried a pistol, so he could impose his will.

When Batista's 1952 coup interrupted his political ambitions, Castro decided to fight against him and on July 26, 1953, he attacked the Moncada Barracks, an isolated outpost of the Cuban army in the eastern city of Santiago de Cuba. The attack brought Castro national attention, but at the cost of the lives of about 100, including soldiers being treated in the infirmary, execution-style as they lay in their beds.

This event became the inaugural cornerstone of Castro's personal technique for attaining his goals.

But Castro does not get credit for creativity with this assault, since it mimicked Hitler's Nov. 9, 1924, insane attack on the War Ministry in Munich, which made him a national figure in Germany. Castro's attack and the highly publicized trial that followed in the Cuban media were extremely successful in his own eyes since, like Hitler, it made him a national figure on the island.

Castro's self-defense and speech, ending with "history will absolve me," were similar to Hitler's Rathaus Putsch speech in 1924! And in 1953, Cuba's leading magazine, Bohemia, selected Castro among 12 of the world's most outstanding figures.

Do we have any uninhabited islands that are big enough on either of those continents? Ooh, how about Greenland?Palestine was not uninhabited

Israel was not there
before 1967, and it was more peaceful, we want peaceful back.

I you care about that "spiritual homeland" BS so much.. why have you not moved there yet?

Because I'm not an Israeli.

I'm an American and this is the only country for me.

On top of that, I feel much more of a connection to Europe and America...I dont talk, look, think like an Israeli but I do talk, look, think like an American.

Though, like I said..I do support it 100%.

You're calling me junior, you little anarcho-capitalist hippie? I DON'T THINK SO!

.....again, your insults are really lame.

I'm not an anarchist or a hippie.

Enough.

Because I'm not an Israeli.

I'm an American and this is the only country for me.

On top of that, I feel much more of a connection to Europe and America...I dont talk, look, think like an Israeli but I do talk, look, think like an American.

Though, like I said..I do support it 100%.
You know, and care, nothing about Judaism. You care nothing about Israel. You just want Israel to exist to spite the Arabic states so you have a reason to hate them because they will always oppose a forced Jewish state.
Why you can't you be like other people and admit you just hate people for who they are like a good racist and not try to invent silly excuses?

Because while Israel has just tried to secure its right to live and exist, arab states and arab leaders have pledged that they will stop at nothing until Israel is destroyed, wiped of the map.

Thats why there cant be peace, my German friend.
But I can't understand why they don't accept Israel as it is now in its borders, culture etc. Why can't they try to make peace - both, the Israelis and the Arabs?

Their anti-semitism is showing. They want to send the Jews to another place, and then place them under the rule of Cuba.

Ugh, I never liked Castro before, now I really dont like him.

Israel was not there
before 1967, and it was more peaceful, we want peaceful back.

I you care about that "spiritual homeland" BS so much.. why have you not moved there yet?


Israel was there before 1967. Israel was established in 1948, and Israel also existed as a Kingdom years and years before Islam was even created.

israel is the only countrey who will send groups to the other side of the world to find some lost israeli tourist, negotiate for release of israelis from terror groups or jails, and help the israeli tourist
while they mugged, injured or get into trouble. we send troops to every natural disaster in the world to help the poor victims (from whereeverand they are), and find israeli tourist tracks.
I can ensure you we do care for this one soldier and the other settler who were kidnapd. it isn't just excuse.

Maybe your right, I'd like to believe you. I know Israel is a small country that cares about it's people, but this incursion into Gaza has the potential to spark off a much larger war that could cost the lives of many people. I do sympathise with the plight of Israel, but it's hard sometimes.

You know, and care, nothing about Judaism. You care nothing about Israel. You just want Israel to exist to spite the Arabic states so you have a reason to hate them because they will always oppose a forced Jewish state.Why you can't you be like other people and admit you just hate people for who they are like a good racist and not try to invent silly excuses?

Not true. At all.

Again, not true.

And finally, not true. Wow, 0/3, good job!:rolleyes:

Why can't they try to make peace - Your question has been answered look 2-3 pages back.

Islam stops non-mulims to visite Mecca, because of the following...

some religions dont apply the sae laws that Islam does, so gambling, Prostitution etc... will spread in mecca, the Holy City, so Islam refused a holy city to have forbiden Islamic Teachings, so it prohibited non-muslims to come in, same with Lhasa...

And yet Deep Kimchi said he visited Lhasa. So what you are saying is that since I am a Christian I cannot visit mecca even though I abore prostitution and I do not drink nor do I gamble.

Your question has been answered look 2-3 pages back.
Sorry, you may call me a stupid asshole, but that's no reason for me to kill humen.

.. Israel existed as a Kingdom years and years before Islam was even created.well then all this belongs to.. Adam and Eve.

:D :D :rolleyes: :D

Sorry, you may call me a stupid asshole..OK

And as for Russian military schools, since they trained the Syrians and Iraqis, I can't say much for the quality of the schooling.

The middle east was a sort of playground for the russian military advisors: they were afraid of american intervention. Especially after Vietnam, the russians were convinced that the U.S. wouldn't hesitate to protect it's allies.

Because I'm not an Israeli.

I'm an American and this is the only country for me.

On top of that, I feel much more of a connection to Europe and America...I dont talk, look, think like an Israeli but I do talk, look, think like an American.

Though, like I said..I do support it 100%.


Israel is the homeland of every Jew, no matter what they look like. You should feel a strong connection to Israel in addition to supporting their right to defend their people.

wow... the violen guy popped out again... please some one tie him up...

What's the matter? Do not like it when people disagree with you with truth?

well then all this belongs to.. Adam and Eve.

:D :D :rolleyes: :D


The same G-d that created Adam and Eve gave Israel to the Jewish people.

Originally Posted by Sulpuria
Sorry, you may call me a stupid asshole..

OK
Shit :D

The same G-d that created Adam and Eve gave Israel to the Jewish people.why dont you type "God" ?

Forbidden or something? (just courious)

why dont you type "God" ?

Forbidden or something? (just courious)

Probably an Orthodox or Conservative Jew.

BTW, read up on Exodus 6 while you're at it.

Shit :D:D

It could have been "OK, I get your point"..

He would make the holocaust deniers proud.

So very true.

why dont you type "God" ?

Forbidden or something? (just courious)


In the Jewish religion you're not supposed to actually write out or type His name because a piece of paper can be destroyed or erased, just as a message board post can also be erased or taken down. G-d's name is not supposed to be erased so it's basically a way of speaking of G-d without disrespecting his name.

Germany/UK/UN are NOT actively helping kill palestinenas.. like the US is doing.

Oh horseshit.

They still are fundementally communist societies...even if they have gotten more Capitalist in recent times.

I was just at one around Christmas.
I didn't said fundementally but many kibutzes are based upon social values.

All nations are forced entities. The world doesn't actually have borderlines drawn across it. As far as who belongs where, none of us belong on this earth and that is why we die and leave earth, but while we are here, we should do our best no to kill each other. As far as Israel goes, I feel sorry for any nation that stands against them. Israel will not lose any war. I hope that the U.S. supports Israel even if it is only in spirit. If all hell is going to break loose, then we should at least be on the winning side.

Boy am I glad your not in charge of anything.

A human isnt a statistic, hes a person.

I'm sure you'd feel alot different if he was your brother/father/you.

I hate to use stalin but...."One death is a tragedy. a million is a statistic."

Probably an Orthodox or Conservative Jew.

BTW, read up on Exodus 6 while you're at it.If you are going to start distributing the World s Lands/wealth by any (of the diferent) Religious writtings.. I am going to be the first to shoot you down :sniper: ;)

If you are going to start distributig the World s Lands by your own Religious writtings.. I am going to be the first to shoot at you. :sniper: ;)
I don't see it as religious writing.

Consider it to be an old land record - 1600 years older than Mohammed.

How About the ETA and the IRA and other Terrorist organizations, and these so called Muslim terrorist organizations have been bombing us (Arab world) more then they have bombed the west... 4 bombing in egypt in less then 2 years, and 2 in jordan, plenty in Saudi Arabia, 1 in Rabat, morocco, and others...

Prefferably on "western" soft targets.

The only thing good about Ariel Sharon is that he's dead now.

Link please?

In the Jewish religion you're not supposed to actually write out or type His name because a piece of paper can be destroyed or erased, just as a message board post can also be erased or taken down. G-d's name is not supposed to be erased so it's basically a way of speaking of G-d without disrespecting his name.I respect that.

And thank you for teaching me.

I don't see it as religious writing.

Consider it to be an old land record - 1600 years older than Mohammed.
Written as religious text by some guy who thought he was among the chosen of his god. Yep, definately a fair and unbiased record. :rolleyes:

Israel is the homeland of every Jew, no matter what they look like. You should feel a strong connection to Israel in addition to supporting their right to defend their people.

I know that. I'm just saying I DONT feel the connection to Israel. I feel like I fit in alot better in Germany or Denmark or Sweden but mostly I feel like I fit in in America. I just didnt feel like I could be Israeli when I went there.

However, I suppor the country and the Israelis.

BTW everyone...new news update: Israeli Jets did a fly over of Syrian President Assad's Palace. He actually heard the sonic boom. This was done to put pressure on Syria to expel Khaled Mashaal, the exiled leader of HAMAS who is calling the shots from Damascus. In response Syria air defenses fired on the Jets.

Written as religious text by some guy who thought he was among the chosen of his god. Yep, definately a fair and unbiased record. :rolleyes:
I'm not saying it's unbiased.

But if people are saying, "well it belongs to the Palestinians because they were there first..."

I respect that.

And thank you for teaching me.


anytime, i appreciate the interest

Israel was not there
before 1967, and it was more peaceful, we want peaceful back.

I you care about that "spiritual homeland" BS so much.. why have you not moved there yet?

Israel became a nation in 1948. It was also a nation thousands of years ago before it was taken over by the Babylonians, which were taken over by the Persians/Medians, who were taken over by the Greeks, followed by the Romans, etc.

Maybe your right, I'd like to believe you. I know Israel is a small country that cares about it's people, but this incursion into Gaza has the potential to spark off a much larger war that could cost the lives of many people. I do sympathise with the plight of Israel, but it's hard sometimes.
I hope it not get worse, but terrorists will always try to use israeli acts of self-defence as exuce for more terror. if we didn't act they will see it as they are winning and will also make more terror attacks because israel still exist.
it is lose-lose situation while everything we do make them produce more terror, and we may continue with are self defence acts as long as there is terror.

BTW everyone...new news update: Israeli Jets did a fly over of Syrian President Assad's Palace. He actually heard the sonic boom. This was done to put pressure on Syria to expel Khaled Mashaal, the exiled leader of HAMAS who is calling the shots from Damascus. In response Syria air defenses fired on the Jets.

Shows you what crap military the Syrians have.

well then all this belongs to.. Adam and Eve.

:D :D :rolleyes: :D

LMAO! :D

I didn't said fundementally but many kibutzes are based upon social values.

Yeah, left wing sociali values.

Written as religious text by some guy who thought he was among the chosen of his god. Yep, definately a fair and unbiased record. :rolleyes:

Written by Moses whom the Jews revere.

Um... so Israel should move?

Yeah, move the Israeli's to Madagascar... Oh wait, somebody else's wanted to do that... Anyone wanna impress me and tell me who I'm reffereing to?

BTW everyone...new news update: Israeli Jets did a fly over of Syrian President Assad's Palace. He actually heard the sonic boom. This was done to put pressure on Syria to expel Khaled Mashaal, the exiled leader of HAMAS who is calling the shots from Damascus. In response Syria air defenses fired on the Jets.

Wow.

Thats badass.

BTW everyone...new news update: Israeli Jets did a fly over of Syrian President Assad's Palace. He actually heard the sonic boom. This was done to put pressure on Syria to expel Khaled Mashaal, the exiled leader of HAMAS who is calling the shots from Damascus. In response Syria air defenses fired on the Jets.

Did the jets fire back?

Yeah, move the Israeli's to Madagascar... Oh wait, somebody else's wanted to do that... Anyone wanna impress me and tell me who I'm reffereing to?
The Nazis. (I believe Heydrich may have suggested it)

Yeah, move the Israeli's to Madagascar... Oh wait, somebody else's wanted to do that... Anyone wanna impress me and tell me who I'm reffereing to?

Looks down at quote...no fair! I have a hint looking at me in the face.

Wow.

Thats badass.

Where do I sign up ;)

The Nazis. (I believe Heydrich may have suggested it)

Anyone ever seen what Heydrich looked like....interesting, eh?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/RHeydrich.jpg

Ooops - the Nazis weren't the first!

he Madagascar Plan
Before the Nazis decided to murder European Jewry in gas chambers, they considered the Madagascar Plan - a plan to move 4 million Jews from Europe to the island of Madagascar.

Who's idea was it?
Like almost all Nazi ideas, someone else came up with the idea first. As early as 1885, Paul de Lagarde suggested deporting Eastern European Jews to Madagascar. In 1926 and 1927, Poland and Japan each investigated the possibility of using Madagascar for solving their over-population problems.

It wasn't until 1931 that a German publicist wrote: "the entire Jewish nation sooner or later must be confined to an island. This would afford the possibility of control and minimize the danger of infection."1 Yet the idea of sending Jews to Madagascar was still not a Nazi plan.

Poland was the next to seriously consider the idea; they even sent a commission to Madagascar to investigate.

The Nazis. (I believe Heydrich may have suggested it)

Damn you guys are fast :eek:

Damn you guys are fast :eek:

Thats what she said.:(

I know someone named de Lagarde, I wonder if they're related?

Ooops - the Nazis weren't the first!

DK, are you Protestant?

DK, are you Protestant?
Pentacostal Christian

Anyone ever seen what Heydrich looked like....interesting, eh?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/RHeydrich.jpg

Well, plenty of nazi elitists weren't too arian themselves... those puffy pants hid the broad(er than their shoulders) hips of some nazi leaders.

Just photo shop him in a normal suit with a yellow six-pointed star on his chest and see how many people think he's a pure blood arian :D

Pentacostal Christian

Hmm....What did you think of Israel when you were over there?

Well, plenty of nazi elitists weren't too arian themselves... those puffy pants hid the broad(er than their shoulders) hips of some nazi leaders.

I dont see anything non "aryan" about him.

Hes just interesting to look at.

Cant bother reading through 17 pages of junk, so...

... whats the latest news from the front?(the Isreal invading Palestine one)

I know that. I'm just saying I DONT feel the connection to Israel. I feel like I fit in alot better in Germany or Denmark or Sweden but mostly I feel like I fit in in America. I just didnt feel like I could be Israeli when I went there.

However, I suppor the country and the Israelis.


Right, but Israel is the homeland of the Jews, and you are a Jew (I think) therefore making Israel your homeland.

Hmm....What did you think of Israel when you were over there?
two things:

cell phones (the wave hit them long before it hit Europe or the US). The annoyance of having nearly everyone on the phone at the same time followed me home.

guns, guns, and more guns. I have no problem with that part - in fact, the place was awash with young women walking around with automatic weapons.

Cant bother reading through 17 pages of junk, so...

... whats the latest news from the front?(the Isreal invading Palestine one)

Israel is showing some muscle, not too mch, 'cause they want Galit back alive.

Cant bother reading through 17 pages of junk, so...

... whats the latest news from the front?(the Isreal invading Palestine one)

I have no idea, but I've been following along and we're talking about nazis for reasons beyond my fathoming.

two things:

cell phones (the wave hit them long before it hit Europe or the US). The annoyance of having nearly everyone on the phone at the same time followed me home.

guns, guns, and more guns. I have no problem with that part - in fact, the place was awash with young women walking around with automatic weapons.


Nothing like a hot Israeli girl with a weapon...aye caramba

Well, plenty of nazi elitists weren't too arian themselves... those puffy pants hid the broad(er than their shoulders) hips of some nazi leaders.

Just photo shop him in a normal suit with a yellow six-pointed star on his chest and see how many people think he's a pure blood arian :D

lol, why dont you think he looks 'aryan'?

Right, but Israel is the homeland of the Jews, and you are a Jew (I think) therefore making Israel your homeland.

Yes, but I am an American before I am Jewish, therefore making America my homeland.

I just dont feel a connection to Israelis and their country, thats all.

two things:

cell phones (the wave hit them long before it hit Europe or the US). The annoyance of having nearly everyone on the phone at the same time followed me home.

guns, guns, and more guns. I have no problem with that part - in fact, the place was awash with young women walking around with automatic weapons.

Cell phones are big there, yes.

Haha, It took a while for me to get over the Israeli military walking around with automatic rifles, but I thought it was kinda cool looking.

Written as religious text by some guy who thought he was among the chosen of his god. Yep, definately a fair and unbiased record. :rolleyes:

Absolutely. And its fascinating views on boat building, community relations and the real way to deal with argumentative children is a must in day to day living!

As I've been busy and we're about 44 pages in - has TS said the world and his wife are anti-semites and a dozen equally untrue and often contradictory versions of events all exonerating Israel of any blame for the current state of the Palestinians been floated by the usual suspects?

I dont see anything non "aryan" about him.

Hes just interesting to look at.

My dad looks more arian than Heydrich... And they won't stop talking yiddisch even when he says he can't understand a word they're saying :p

Nothing like a hot Israeli girl with a weapon...aye caramba

lol...Israelis girls arnt my type.

Now, a Finnish girl with a weapon, thats aye caramba material right there.

My dad looks more arian than Heydrich... And they won't stop talking yiddisch even when he says he can't understand a word they're saying :p

Lol.

I just sorta like the way Heydrichs face slopes down.

He is a piece of shit and I hope he rots in hell for all eternity, but I sorta like the way he looks. Is that strange?:p

Yes, but I am an American before I am Jewish, therefore making America my homeland.

I just dont feel a connection to Israelis and their country, thats all.

Yeah; by the same logic, being Methodist would make me English (John Wesley's birthplace).

Yes, but I am an American before I am Jewish, therefore making America my homeland.

I just dont feel a connection to Israelis and their country, thats all.


You are a Jew that lives in America; you could be living in Germany or Sweden, but you'd still be a Jew living in one of these countries. If you ever G-d forbid had to flee the country you are living in, you could always turn to Israel; as it is the home of all Jews.

ps I'm in plantation now, lol...we are right down the street from eachother

My dad looks more arian than Heydrich... And they won't stop talking yiddisch even when he says he can't understand a word they're saying :p

Are you Israeli then?

You are a Jew that lives in America; you could be living in Germany or Sweden, but you'd still be a Jew living in one of these countries. If you ever G-d forbid had to flee the country you are living in, you could always turn to Israel; as it is the home of all Jews.

ps I'm in plantation now, lol...we are right down the street from eachother

Well, we see things a little differently.

I am an American, living in America who happens to be Jewish. If I was living in Germany or Sweden, I'd be a German or Swede living in Germany or Sweden who happens to be Jewish.

If I, God forbid had to leave America...I would go to Switzerland, Iceland or Finland.

Is it pouring at your house right now?

Its the shittiest weather outside right now.

Yeah; by the same logic, being Methodist would make me English (John Wesley's birthplace).


No, because Methodists don't believe that G-d gave them England as their homeland. Jews believe that G-d gave Israel to the Jewish people; making it the homeland of all Jews.

Yeah; by the same logic, being Methodist would make me English (John Wesley's birthplace).

I guess. Israel has a strange policy that would allow me to become Israeli just *snaps fingers* like that...but that doesnt mean that my views fall along those of that policy.

Am I the only one that doesnt give two shits whether they get their man back? And am I the only one that secretly wishes the miliants torture and kill him, you know just so Israel can see what its like to be on the other side of that little game they play far too often. btw, their response to this and what they are doing in gaza is not equal to what happened to them. To the settler and the soldier the Palestinians have I say good riddance, I wont miss you.

*some retarded anti-semetic rambling*

Yes your the only one who thinks that way.

I sorta wish you lived in the arab terrorities right now.

Well, we see things a little differently.

I am an American, living in America who happens to be Jewish. If I was living in Germany or Sweden, I'd be a German or Swede living in Germany or Sweden who happens to be Jewish.

If I, God forbid had to leave America...I would go to Switzerland, Iceland or Finland.

Is it pouring at your house right now?

Its the shittiest weather outside right now.


Really shitty weather...all the thunder is making my dog go nuts...

But as for the other stuff...and I know this might sound outlandish, but what if those other countries were not welcoming; then where would you go, the principal is that Israel is the land of the Jewish people, and you being a Jew makes it your land as well, so you inherently have a connection whether you think so or not.

Israel is an eclectic mix of Jews from all walks of life and all over the world.

Am I the only one that doesnt give two shits whether they get their man back? And am I the only one that secretly wishes the miliants torture and kill him, you know just so Israel can see what its like to be on the other side of that little game they play far too often. btw, their response to this and what they are doing in gaza is not equal to what happened to them. To the settler and the soldier the Palestinians have I say good riddance, I wont miss you.

Gee, after all these people on this forum castigating me for advocating torture and genocide, and then the truth comes out - it's ok to torture Jews (and any other representation of Western society), and ok to kill Jews (and any other Westerners) because we feel so bad for the <fill in Palestinians, Taliban, etc>

Really shitty weather...all the thunder is making my dog go nuts...

But as for the other stuff...and I know this might sound outlandish, but what if those other countries were not welcoming; then where would you go, the principal is that Israel is the land of the Jewish people, and you being a Jew makes it your land as well, so you inherently have a connection whether you think so or not.

Israel is an eclectic mix of Jews from all walks of life and all over the world.

My dog is sleeping through it, thank God. I was about to mow my lawn today, then this shit hit out of nowhere....Where the hell did Sunny South Florida go!?!? lol:D

Anyway, why would those countries not be wlecoming? I just didnt like Israel that much when I went there. Its not for me, thats all.

See my sig and the Neu Leonstein quote for what I think of Jews.

Gee, after all these people on this forum castigating me for advocating torture and genocide, and then the truth comes out - it's ok to torture Jews (and any other representation of Western society), and ok to kill Jews (and any other Westerners) because we feel so bad for the <fill in Palestinians, Taliban, etc>

Yes, this is the hipocrisy of the left at its finest.:(

The kinds of things you'll see in Israel (something they don't show on the news)
http://www.mahal2000.com/information/background/women.jpg

Yes, this is the hipocrisy of the left at its finest.:(

Agreed.

Am I the only one that doesnt give two shits whether they get their man back? And am I the only one that secretly wishes the miliants torture and kill him, you know just so Israel can see what its like to be on the other side of that little game they play far too often. btw, their response to this and what they are doing in gaza is not equal to what happened to them. To the settler and the soldier the Palestinians have I say good riddance, I wont miss you.


Prob not the only one who thinks this way unfortunately. It isn't equal? Ofcourse it isn't...Israel isn't going to stoop to the level of the terrorists and just go in their and kidnap a bunch of Palestinians who are innocent of wrong doing. They are going to show the terrorists that you can't kidnap Israeli citizens and think your just gonna get a whole bunch of prisoners released. Israel is putting immense pressure on Hamas while at the same time showing restraint. Give up the soldier...Israel pulls out. Stop launching Kassams, no more artillery fire. Stop the suicide bombings and terror, vuala! Palestine is a state.

Gee, after all these people on this forum castigating me for advocating torture and genocide, and then the truth comes out - it's ok to torture Jews (and any other representation of Western society), and ok to kill Jews (and any other Westerners) because we feel so bad for the <fill in Palestinians, Taliban, etc>
I didnt say its ok to torture westerners, nor jews. Jews =/= Israel. Its ok to kill and torture Israelis because it is what they have done for too long and it is only fair they get what they deserve, especially the IDF.

I sorta wish you lived in the arab terrorities right now.
why? So I could be murdered by Israelis?

No, because Methodists don't believe that G-d gave them England as their homeland. Jews believe that G-d gave Israel to the Jewish people; making it the homeland of all Jews.

So what Jews believe justifies claims in the real world? Or could someone show up with the cession contract having god's signature on it?

I didnt say its ok to torture westerners, nor jews. Jews =/= Israel. Its ok to kill and torture Israelis because it is what they have done for too long and it is only fair they get what they deserve, especially the IDF.

Racist swine.

Am I the only one that doesnt give two shits whether they get their man back? And am I the only one that secretly wishes the miliants torture and kill him, you know just so Israel can see what its like to be on the other side of that little game they play far too often. btw, their response to this and what they are doing in gaza is not equal to what happened to them. To the settler and the soldier the Palestinians have I say good riddance, I wont miss you.
you called 5 years of terror attacks, more than thousands and some hundreds israeli victims and greater number of injured phisically or psicholigically and dozens of missle every day on israeli area "little game".
how biased one man can be?

I didnt say its ok to torture westerners, nor jews. Jews =/= Israel. Its ok to kill and torture Israelis because it is what they have done for too long and it is only fair they get what they deserve, especially the IDF.


You're wrong. Israel=Jews. Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. It is a Jewish state. Non-Jews live there and thats fine, but it is the Jewish homeland.

Israel has never launched an aggressive offensive against the Palestinians that wasn't warranted due to terrorism or another Arab attack on Israel. IDF doesn't deserve anything but respect and life without constant attacks on the country it defends.

I didnt say its ok to torture westerners, nor jews. Jews =/= Israel. Its ok to kill and torture Israelis because it is what they have done for too long and it is only fair they get what they deserve, especially the IDF.
Why stop there? Hasn't there been decades of humiliation of Arab and Muslim forces in combat? And by whom?

Isn't this the core argument that Osama uses? That the ultimate endpoint of the argument is the destruction of the West?

So I am right that some Muslims do think it's ok to commit genocide and to torture prisoners.

Racist swine.

No name calling. It's pointless to call someone a racist or a Nazi or a fascist, and meaningless to boot.

The kinds of things you'll see in Israel (something they don't show on the news)
http://www.mahal2000.com/information/background/women.jpg

*moans something about America's Second Amendment*

*cries at what has become of it*

The kinds of things you'll see in Israel (something they don't show on the news)
http://www.mahal2000.com/information/background/women.jpg
Im starting to like Israel, seriously. We should see more them and my anger at israel would lessen. Its hard.....to be angry at them:D

Am I the only one that doesnt give two shits whether they get their man back? And am I the only one that secretly wishes the miliants torture and kill him, you know just so Israel can see what its like to be on the other side of that little game they play far too often. btw, their response to this and what they are doing in gaza is not equal to what happened to them. To the settler and the soldier the Palestinians have I say good riddance, I wont miss you.

As indivduals these people cannot be blamed for the actions of others. Not the settler or the soldier. Nor should torture be used as some instrument of supposed retribution. As a martyr for another cause once remarked "Our revenge will be the laughter of our children".

why? So I could be murdered by Israelis?

No!....not murdered...Just maybe get fragmented by a grenade...something, but you would have to live through it to learn your lesson.

Racist swine.

No, that's only pay back.

No name calling. It's pointless to call someone a racist or a Nazi or a fascist, and meaningless to boot.

Well he is a racist.

No, that's only pay back.

We already know you are anti-semite so......

Im starting to like Israel, seriously. We should see more them and my anger at israel would lessen. Its hard.....to be angry at them:D

A few more posts like the one you just had and you will see alot more of them...they will be the ones coming after you.

Racist swine.
piss off. Im not racist

Well he is a racist.

Well, I'd say anti-semetic..because Jews are not a race.

But yeah, I get your point.

So what Jews believe justifies claims in the real world? Or could someone show up with the cession contract having god's signature on it?


Israel has a right to exist regardless of the biblical claim to the land. However, the history of the Jewish people in Israel and the Kingdom of Israel are historical facts. As are the chapters of the Torah. After all, 600,000 ancient Hebrews witnessed the giving of the Torah and the miracles done there, but i'm gonna get flamed for trying to validate the Torah on this thread so we can save that for another time.

piss off. Im not racist

Then stop saying that it is good that an Israeli has been kidnapped and that he should be tortured. That's being a racist.

Im starting to like Israel, seriously. We should see more them and my anger at israel would lessen. Its hard.....to be angry at them:D
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5518/soldatinbeimeinkaufen5wa.jpg http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/7595/7786144vqh0zr.jpg

Greater Valinor, Fuck yeah! Dude, our rain just stopped!

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5518/soldatinbeimeinkaufen5wa.jpg http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/7595/7786144vqh0zr.jpg

*moans again about our 2nd amendment*

*doesnt stop moaning*

Fuck yeah! Dude, our rain just stopped!


yea but I don't see any blue skies : (

You're wrong. Israel=Jews. Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. It is a Jewish state. Non-Jews live there and thats fine, but it is the Jewish homeland.

Israel has never launched an aggressive offensive against the Palestinians that wasn't warranted due to terrorism or another Arab attack on Israel. IDF doesn't deserve anything but respect and life without constant attacks on the country it defends.

Jews launched an aggressive offensive against the Palestinians by coming to Palestine in the first place. Palestinians are only defending their ancestral land. There were always Jews in Palestine and that's OK. But what happened since the end of Ottoman rule in the province of Palestine due to the irresponsible and ideologically driven influx of foreign Jews is not OK.

You're wrong. Israel=Jews. Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. It is a Jewish state. Non-Jews live there and thats fine, but it is the Jewish homeland.

Israel has never launched an aggressive offensive against the Palestinians that wasn't warranted due to terrorism or another Arab attack on Israel. IDF doesn't deserve anything but respect and life without constant attacks on the country it defends.
the IDF deserves what they get until they are no longer an occupier, until then they are fair game.

*moans again about our 2nd amendment*

*doesnt stop moaning*

And now for our off-topic post of the day, an American woman who is a member of the NRA

http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/d/15044-2/nra-lori1295.jpg

Now back to our regularly scheduled ranting.

yea but I don't see any blue skies : (

Meh...they will come, give them time.

Anyway, I'm going to the Bahamas tomorrow, so I'm gonna leave all of our shitty rain behind, MWAHAHAH.

Do you go to the Chabad in Plantation?

Jews launched an aggressive offensive against the Palestinians by coming to Palestine in the first place. Palestinians are only defending their ancestral land. There were always Jews in Palestine and that's OK. But what happened since the end of Ottoman rule in the province of Palestine due to the irresponsible and ideologically driven influx of foreign Jews is not OK.

More revisionist shit.

And now for our off-topic post of the day, an American woman who is a member of the NRA

http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/d/15044-2/nra-lori1295.jpg

Now back to our regularly scheduled ranting.

Yeah, but look at the size of that thing. Ok, now compare it to the size of THOSE ISRAELI THINGS!!

See my point?

Meh...they will come, give them time.

Anyway, I'm going to the Bahamas tomorrow, so I'm gonna leave all of our shitty rain behind, MWAHAHAH.

Do you go to the Chabad in Plantation?

You know what's funny, I converted to Conservative Judaism for the eight years of my first marriage, and hung out with guys whose idea of "cheating" on their wives was going out with the guys to eat non-kosher steaks.

Meh...they will come, give them time.

Anyway, I'm going to the Bahamas tomorrow, so I'm gonna leave all of our shitty rain behind, MWAHAHAH.

Do you go to the Chabad in Plantation?


I know the Rabbi there, Mendy...he's a nice guy; but since I go to college in Gainesville I go to the Chabad up there.

Israel has a right to exist regardless of the biblical claim to the land. However, the history of the Jewish people in Israel and the Kingdom of Israel are historical facts. As are the chapters of the Torah. After all, 600,000 ancient Hebrews witnessed the giving of the Torah and the miracles done there, but i'm gonna get flamed for trying to validate the Torah on this thread so we can save that for another time.

O no. You'll get flamed for trying to validate any "holy book", not just the Torah. Two of your countrymen recently released a most interesting tome on the subject...didn't look too good for the literalist reading. I shall provide a link if I remember the title.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684869136/104-5708894-4156766?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

You know what's funny, I converted to Conservative Judaism for the eight years of my first marriage, and hung out with guys whose idea of "cheating" on their wives was going out with the guys to eat non-kosher steaks.

lol.

My dad is Conserative Jewish...my mom isnt that religious, nor am I...but I still try to go to the Temple like a few times a year on the big holidays.

Thats a good story though. What did you think of Judaism? and how old are you?

Then stop saying that it is good that an Israeli has been kidnapped and that he should be tortured. That's being a racist.
I dont see how, those things are justifiable not because of their race but because of their actions.

I know the Rabbi there, Mendy...he's a nice guy; but since I go to college in Gainesville I go to the Chabad up there.

Yeah, hes a good guy. I dont really go to Temple often, maybe a few times a year for the holidays..but he did my bar mitzvah...so I like him.

Interesting guy.

Good, I'm glad Israel is beginning to take back what is rightfully theirs.
It's a Palestinian homeland too. Both groups have a right to live there.

I dont see how, those things are justifiable not because of their race but because of their actions.

Well in that case then we should just start raking over the lands controled by muslims and torture them and behead them and do all the things they do. I mean....it would be justified because they did it to us too.

Israel has a right to exist regardless of the biblical claim to the land. However, the history of the Jewish people in Israel and the Kingdom of Israel are historical facts. As are the chapters of the Torah. After all, 600,000 ancient Hebrews witnessed the giving of the Torah and the miracles done there, but i'm gonna get flamed for trying to validate the Torah on this thread so we can save that for another time.


The tora is as fabricated as the book of mormon. so forget it, there's nothing to that. although the description of historical circumstances is ok, the whole theological aspect is just made up. in the kingdom of israel no-one worshipped Yah the way modern Jews do. Momnotheism was not invented until Hasmonean times. And all biblical verses that legitimize Jewish rights to the land were also put into the bible in Hasmonean times or shortly before that.
and what 600,000 ancient Hebrews are you talking about?

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thank you, honestly. Your posts have been the best pro-Israeli arguments I have ever seen:D

Jews launched an aggressive offensive against the Palestinians by coming to Palestine in the first place. Palestinians are only defending their ancestral land. There were always Jews in Palestine and that's OK. But what happened since the end of Ottoman rule in the province of Palestine due to the irresponsible and ideologically driven influx of foreign Jews is not OK.

At the end of Ottoman rule Palestine was given to the British in preparation to make a state. (The balfour declaration said it would be for the Jews) The British looked at the land, there was a Jewish and Arab presence, and they decided to make a compromise..two states...but the Arabs said no, and invaded in order to annihilate the Jews there.

Immigration into Palestine was not limited to just Jews during this time. Arabs came into Palestine after the Ottoman rule (alot of them came to work since more jobs were created once the Jews started to build up their economy) and their immigration wasn't limited like the Jewish immigration was.

lol.

My dad is Conserative Jewish...my mom isnt that religious, nor am I...but I still try to go to the Temple like a few times a year on the big holidays.

Thats a good story though. What did you think of Judaism? and how old are you?

45 now.

As contradictory as any Christian religion I've been a member of. I would say, however, that it's more of a cultural thing as well - which is why even though I'm a Pentacostal Christian, I still do Passover.

Or maybe it's because the food is great.

I used to be a regular attendee at the "Friday night races" (where men pray fast so they can get home), and I liked showing up at Ohr Kodesh at 11:30, just in time for the end of the service, and the FOOD.

45 now.

As contradictory as any Christian religion I've been a member of. I would say, however, that it's more of a cultural thing as well - which is why even though I'm a Pentacostal Christian, I still do Passover.

Or maybe it's because the food is great.

I used to be a regular attendee at the "Friday night races" (where men pray fast so they can get home), and I liked showing up at Ohr Kodesh at 11:30, just in time for the end of the service, and the FOOD.

Lol...maybe thats why I'm not that into being Jewish...I cant stand Jewish food. I'd much rather go out an having a burger at McDonalds...I know, I know, call me an ugly America, its ok.:D

I;m 17, by the way.

At the end of Ottoman rule Palestine was given to the British in preparation to make a state. (The balfour declaration said it would be for the Jews) The British looked at the land, there was a Jewish and Arab presence, and they decided to make a compromise..two states...but the Arabs said no, and invaded in order to annihilate the Jews there.

Immigration into Palestine was not limited to just Jews during this time. Arabs came into Palestine after the Ottoman rule (alot of them came to work since more jobs were created once the Jews started to build up their economy) and their immigration wasn't limited like the Jewish immigration was.

You just got a telegram.

At the end of Ottoman rule Palestine was given to the British in preparation to make a state. (The balfour declaration said it would be for the Jews) The British looked at the land, there was a Jewish and Arab presence, and they decided to make a compromise..two states...but the Arabs said no, and invaded in order to annihilate the Jews there.

Immigration into Palestine was not limited to just Jews during this time. Arabs came into Palestine after the Ottoman rule (alot of them came to work since more jobs were created once the Jews started to build up their economy) and their immigration wasn't limited like the Jewish immigration was.

The British took Palestine and ruled it as they ruled their other colonies. And it was not the LoN's right to give away any Arab land to imperial powers anyways.
The Middle east should have re-ordered according to the actual situation on the ground http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/middle_east_enl_1129115211/img/1.jpg instead of according to imperial wishes http://www.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/maps/arab.gif

The tora is as fabricated as the book of mormon. so forget it, there's nothing to that. although the description of historical circumstances is ok, the whole theological aspect is just made up. in the kingdom of israel no-one worshipped Yah the way modern Jews do. Momnotheism was not invented until Hasmonean times. And all biblical verses that legitimize Jewish rights to the land were also put into the bible in Hasmonean times or shortly before that.
and what 600,000 ancient Hebrews are you talking about?


Actually, modern Judaism is practiced exaclty like Judaism was thousands of years ago. Judaism contains two sets of Laws: the written law (5 books of Moses and the other 20 some odd books of prophets etc) and the Oral Torah (Talmud, etc). The Oral Torah was written down after the Temples were destroyed in order to preserve the traditions that had been passed down by mouth (hence Oral Torah) for generations.

Monotheism began with Abraham, not Hasmonean timess. Nothing was "put into the bible" that wasn't there to begin with. The Torah's text has always been holy and is never altered; even if a single letter is wrong, that entire page is nullfied.

The 600,000 Israelites that left Egypt after the Exodus when they were freed from slavery. In fact, the first two commandments of the 10 were spoken to the people directly, but they could not handle the awesomeness of G-d so Moses had to relate the next 8.

As indivduals these people cannot be blamed for the actions of others. Not the settler or the soldier. Nor should torture be used as some instrument of supposed retribution.
The settler chose to live on Arab land, his action, he's fair game. The soldier is part of the army the kills and oppresses, his action, he's fair game. Therefore they get what they get and rightfully so.

The British took Palestine and ruled it as they ruled their other colonies. And it was not the LoN's right to give away any Arab land to imperial powers anyways.
The Middle east should have re-ordered according to the actual situation on the ground http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/middle_east_enl_1129115211/img/1.jpg instead of according to imperial wishes http://www.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/maps/arab.gif

The mandate of Palestine was given to the British by the League of Nations. It was part of the fallen Ottoman Empire.

Actually, modern Judaism is practiced exaclty like Judaism was thousands of years ago. Judaism contains two sets of Laws: the written law (5 books of Moses and the other 20 some odd books of prophets etc) and the Oral Torah (Talmud, etc). The Oral Torah was written down after the Temples were destroyed in order to preserve the traditions that had been passed down by mouth (hence Oral Torah) for generations.

Monotheism began with Abraham, not Hasmonean timess. Nothing was "put into the bible" that wasn't there to begin with. The Torah's text has always been holy and is never altered; even if a single letter is wrong, that entire page is nullfied.

The 600,000 Israelites that left Egypt after the Exodus when they were freed from slavery. In fact, the first two commandments of the 10 were spoken to the people directly, but they could not handle the awesomeness of G-d so Moses had to relate the next 8.

Is it improper for me to say amen?

Is it improper for me to say amen?

Not at all.

*moans again about our 2nd amendment*

*doesnt stop moaning*

ok, ok...

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Not at all.

Good considering its part of the Christian Bible :D

ok, ok...

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*forgets about how he was moaning about the destruction of our 2nd amendment*

*moans about something else ;) *

I'ma lookin, and I'ma likin.:p

I think the Blonde girl just really does it for me. :)

At the end of Ottoman rule Palestine was given to the British in preparation to make a state. (The balfour declaration said it would be for the Jews) The British looked at the land, there was a Jewish and Arab presence, and they decided to make a compromise..two states...but the Arabs said no, and invaded in order to annihilate the Jews there.
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Essentially correct, though exaggerated in tone, but the last offer re parttition was the UN one, I believe.


Immigration into Palestine was not limited to just Jews during this time. Arabs came into Palestine after the Ottoman rule (alot of them came to work since more jobs were created once the Jews started to build up their economy) and their immigration wasn't limited like the Jewish immigration was.

And you'd been doing so well.....This one had been doing the rounds since that Peters woman released a book in the 80's which said that essentially there was a conspiracy to fill the area with Arabs. Its not true, at all, at all. Even by 1946/47 the overwhelming majority of produce was from Arab Land by Arab farmers, with the exception of the Citrus, which seemed to be a niche market the Jewish immigrants developed.

Good considering its part of the Christian Bible :D

I figured that had something to do with it, you sly fox.:p

ok, ok...

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I want more Israelis

The settler chose to live on Arab land, his action, he's fair game. The soldier is part of the army the kills and oppresses, his action, he's fair game. Therefore they get what they get and rightfully so.


It's not Arab land...it's disputed at most. The Arabs lost it when they invaded Israel in '67.

The IDF doesn't oppress anyone. They kill terrorists and defend their country from terrorists.

I want more Israelis

Oh come on, nobody prefers Israeli women over American women, NOBODY.

I figured that had something to do with it, you sly fox.:p

What can I say? :D

And I really am interested in learning more about the Jewish Faith. My GF's dad and his side of the family is jewish.

The settler chose to live on Arab land, his action, he's fair game. The soldier is part of the army the kills and oppresses, his action, he's fair game. Therefore they get what they get and rightfully so.

But if you think like that then the IDF would be jusified in similarily picking out (for instance) Rafah or Jenin and killing everything that moves in it. All a bit too biblical, to be honest. And gets nobody anywhere but dead.

It's not Arab land...it's disputed at most. The Arabs lost it when they invaded Israel in '67.

The IDF doesn't oppress anyone. They kill terrorists and defend their country from terrorists.
your funny, wrong, but funny

Actually, modern Judaism is practiced exaclty like Judaism was thousands of years ago. Judaism contains two sets of Laws: the written law (5 books of Moses and the other 20 some odd books of prophets etc) and the Oral Torah (Talmud, etc). The Oral Torah was written down after the Temples were destroyed in order to preserve the traditions that had been passed down by mouth (hence Oral Torah) for generations.

Monotheism began with Abraham, not Hasmonean timess. Nothing was "put into the bible" that wasn't there to begin with. The Torah's text has always been holy and is never altered; even if a single letter is wrong, that entire page is nullfied.

The 600,000 Israelites that left Egypt after the Exodus when they were freed from slavery. In fact, the first two commandments of the 10 were spoken to the people directly, but they could not handle the awesomeness of G-d so Moses had to relate the next 8.


That's all just religious drivel. Abraham believed in many deities just like all other people in his time as well.
And which ten commandments? In the bible the first ten were never given to the people. Only the ten beginning with god identifying himself with jealousy were given to the people (Exodus 34).

And you'd been doing so well.....This one had been doing the rounds since that Peters woman released a book in the 80's which said that essentially there was a conspiracy to fill the area with Arabs. Its not true, at all, at all. Even by 1946/47 the overwhelming majority of produce was from Arab Land by Arab farmers, with the exception of the Citrus, which seemed to be a niche market the Jewish immigrants developed.


I was simply stating that Jewish immigration into Palestine was limited while Arab immigratoin was not and that the Jewish presence in Palestine was a significant economical entity.

What can I say? :D

And I really am interested in learning more about the Jewish Faith. My GF's dad and his side of the family is jewish.

Meh, I'll sum it up for you.

Its Christianity, without the nice things like repenting for your sins and confession, and without Jesus.

After that theres really no difference, just a few laws that are dumb to me that I dont follow.

What I get out of my religion is the values, morals and teachings...and those I can get from Christianity and Judaism...because they are one and the same when it comes to morals, values and teachings.

That's all just religious drivel. Abraham believed in many deities just like all other people in his time as well.
And which ten commandments? In the bible the first ten were never given to the people. Only the ten beginning with god identifying himself with jealousy were given to the people (Exodus 34).

1) proof please.

and

2) Bullshit. The first 10 were indeed given to the people.

Is it improper for me to say amen?
You can say what you want, but you won't alter history just to fit Jewish beliefs.

Are you Israeli then?

Not even close, Roman Catholic. My dad was in clergy school as a teenager :D luckily for me, he decided to "change lanes", careerwise that is...

Greater Valinor, you have a telegram.

Not even close, Roman Catholic. My dad was in clergy school as a teenager :D luckily for me, he decided to "change lanes", careerwise that is...

lol...I didnt mean your religion, I meant whats your nationality.

And there are Catholics in Israel. ;)

You can say what you want, but you won't alter history just to fit Jewish beliefs.

:confused: The only ones altering history here are those who do not like Israel.

I want more Israelis
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That's all just religious drivel. Abraham believed in many deities just like all other people in his time as well.
And which ten commandments? In the bible the first ten were never given to the people. Only the ten beginning with god identifying himself with jealousy were given to the people (Exodus 34).


Abraham was raised believing in many deities, but one day realized it was ridiculous and destroyed all the idols in his fathers shop. From that point on, he was a monotheist; the first ever and the first Jew.

The ten commandments WERE given to the Jewish people. I don't know where you get off saying otherwise...in fact, the Jewish people just celebrated the giving of the Torah a few weeks ago on the holiday of Shavuot.

I was simply stating that Jewish immigration into Palestine was limited while Arab immigratoin was not and that the Jewish presence in Palestine was a significant economical entity.

Yes, but not in the sense that masses of Arabs came to what had been a desert 'made green' suddenly by the immigrants from Europe.

1) proof please.
Just read any text available from that time. Just start digging anywhere in the Middle East (including Palestine) and you will find material on polytheistic worship.

2) Bullshit. The first 10 were indeed given to the people.
Read your bible.

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*vomits*

*rapidly scans thread for picture of hot blonde American to soothe pain*

I was in Israel in Dec. The redhead on the right in this pic is the CO of this group of inducties
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This one was kind enough to pose
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And a pensive security medic. These women guard school kids on field trips. Note the .30 cal carbine. They are real common over there.

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The gal in the middle in the jeans has an A2 slung over her shoulder, but I thought she was too hot to worry about a pic of the gun
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All a bit too biblical, to be honest. And gets nobody anywhere but dead.
Any land claims or actions based on the bible are automatically wrong, so that fails. And as for everyone being dead, maybe that is the solution to the middle east , kill everything. Europe could us the land. I could be wrong be but I just want to watch more football and I have to wait til friday so meh.

Just read any text available from that time. Just start digging anywhere in the Middle East (including Palestine) and you will find material on polytheistic worship.

Greater Valinor already told you about Abraham so I'm not going to bother with it now.

Read your bible.

I have. He gave it to them.