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Muhahaha, I have the time difference advantage!
I also don't have a life, and wait all day until I can finally post a thread about the daily match without seeming desperate.

Who will take it?

Italy have been in decent, if not absolutely stunning, form. Nesta isn't playing, but replacements are available. They are clear favourites.

Australia have to play without Emerton, who got two yellows in the last game. I don't think they are confident, but they certainly have nothing to lose. And Hiddink's South Korea upset Italy last time 'round.

Here is an article about the match: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,423498,00.html
"It's going to be fantastic," said Australia winger Harry Kewell, who is in doubt for the match and missed training on Sunday. "We weren't even supposed to get this far. A lot of people wrote us off, but we were quietly confident and we don't fear anybody. Against Italy we've got to out there and play our football and not worry about the opposition."

This Kewell in doubt business worries me a bit. I hope he can play, he's sorta important...
http://www.theworldgame.com.au/home/index.php?pid=st&cid=72712

Also, it might become a sorta rough game. The Aussies have that sort of reputation anyways, and it might be a good way to tackle the Italians (pardon the pun).
http://www.theworldgame.com.au/home/index.php?pid=st&cid=72691

And here is the latest column by Australia's prime football commentator and supporter, Les Murray. KP and AB Again are asked to look away. :p
http://www.theworldgame.com.au/opinions/index.php?pid=st&cid=72675&ct=22
Australia came back from all these adversities but, impressively, not only through their customary grit. There was a technical way, a calm way, a stylish way and a way of self-belief about it. Slowly observers here in Germany are seeing the penny drop and are coming around to realise that Australia’s brand of football is not some cultural vestige of the country’s British heritage.

Against all three group opponents, including Brazil, the Australians took the ball and used it, weaving short-passing patterns that would swing patiently from flank to flank and then to the middle until a way was found through the defensive mire.

Their methods reached their zenith against Croatia, immediately after Srna’s opening goal and thereafter for most of the match. Australia ran the game, out-possessing Croatia 56% to 44%, seven shots on goal to Croatia’s three, and nine corners to four.

That Australia, back in the World Cup for the first time in 32 years, should do this to an elite European team, a former semi-finalist, might surprise some but it was no freak show. Australia was and is that much a better team than Croatia, it’s that simple. People in Australia who doubted this before the tournament, based on some kind of cultural cringe, which suggests European supremacy, are now eating humble pie.

Also, just for reference: Future WC Threads should stop having a "Draw" Option - there will be no draws anymore.

Well I'm pumped, I'm gunna be sitting up with my oversized blow up finger from the Greece Australia match, in my socceroos boxers, it's gonna be fantastic. Unfortunately, I don't really think Aus will win, I'm giving it 2-1 to Italy, but Schwarzer will have a good game for once, the goals will be genuine quality. Hey, I sounded like I know something there don't I? Woot!

So yeah, 2-1 Italy.



(Go Aussie!)

2-0 Italy.

But I hope that Australia win. That would be awesome.

If Italy get the first goal, I think it will be all over. Italy tend to lock down after they have a lead and they have a very good defense. If Australia plays well though, it could be a very good match.

I know Emerton is suspended but are any Italian players suspended?

From Italy: no suspensions on Italian team. However, Nesta will not play, and physical condition of some players is not brilliant. Totti will probably play, but many supporters are grumbling for his form.

Italy must be considered favorite; however, Australia proved capable of intense, fast game, with few mistakes and good teamwork. They may succeed in outpacing Italy's midfield and storming on the sides of Italian defense, which is more vulnerable than usual.

I confess I had hoped Croatia would pass instead. Yet, our players should be more talented and prevail, if they can keep control of the ball.

My bet is 1-0 Italy.

I'm not a big fan of either team. Aussies could try football for once (instead of rugby) and Italy could try to make more than one goal for once. They always play brilliantly for 25-30 minutes, score, defend for the reast of the game. Booooring.

2-0 Italy. Yet I hope that Australia wins.

Also, just for reference: Future WC Threads should stop having a "Draw" Option - there will be no draws anymore.

You stole my format! >_<

The world cup ends here for Australia ... Surely?

While I hope Australia wins, I'm not overly fussed as I was supporting both teams up until now (for similar reasons too.) But after considering how they've been holding up 1/1/1 for the group round, Australia are probably going to lose. :D Although one of my teams is going to stay in at least.

From Italy: no suspensions on Italian team. However, Nesta will not play, and physical condition of some players is not brilliant. Totti will probably play, but many supporters are grumbling for his form.

Italy must be considered favorite; however, Australia proved capable of intense, fast game, with few mistakes and good teamwork. They may succeed in outpacing Italy's midfield and storming on the sides of Italian defense, which is more vulnerable than usual.

I confess I had hoped Croatia would pass instead. Yet, our players should be more talented and prevail, if they can keep control of the ball.

My bet is 1-0 Italy.

De Rossi picked up a four match ban for elbowing Brian McBride, so there is a suspension.
Totti will play surely. He is the Italian Beckham, people complain when he plays, but will complain even more if he doesn't.

I think this will be 2 - 0 with the second goal being a breakaway goal late on.

You stole my format! >_<

You all stole it from me to start with. :p

Polls suck!

Go back to my format!

Socceroos win 2:1.

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(Hey, after all, I got Portugal's win right yesterday!)

Socceroos win 2:1.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/kangaroo.gifhttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/fussball.jpg

(Hey, after all, I got Portugal's win right yesterday!)
I picked 1-0 too. I just said it would happen in Silver goal time, heh.

I'm changing from 2-0. I think Aussie will get a goal too.
2-1 Italy wins it.

Realistically, I think it will be Italy 2-0. Italy will get a goal within the first 25 minutes, then again, as AB said, late in the match when the Aussies are chasing it. This is where Australia's dream will most likely end.

Of course, I'll sitting in front of the TV at 1am barracking my heart out for the Socceroos & hoping against hope that we'll win. I just think Italy will be too classy for us.

If we win, it will be a huge bonus. If we lose, at least we've got further than most people (myself included) expected us to.

The world cup ends here for Australia ... Surely?

never!

well...maybe :( i hope not... but probably

but i said australia by one
GO SOCCEROOS!

You stole my format! >_<
I'll pay you royalties on every dollar I make with it.

Also, today on the World Cup Show all the commentators wore Aussie shirts, and Les kissed the little emblem on the shirt and said "Go Australia!" in the end.
I was pissing myself...I wanna see Netzer do that on German TV. :D

snip from Pundit Article

Croatia = One of the European Football Elite?

Not since about 8+ years ago! Balkans football has slid terribly, and after Davor Suker left, Croatia hasn't been the same.

Guess that footballing pundit doesn't know as much as he thought being all the way over there :p

Italy 2-1.

Probably Aloisi to score for Oz. Although it would be good to leave Kalac out of goals this time round. :eek:

Cahill may be out not that it matters him being a bench warmer anyways...
Italy 2 Australia 0
the yhave had their run but they cant shine in every game.

Croatia = One of the European Football Elite?

Not since about 8+ years ago! Balkans football has slid terribly, and after Davor Suker left, Croatia hasn't been the same.

Guess that footballing pundit doesn't know as much as he thought being all the way over there :p

Italy 2-1.

Probably Aloisi to score for Oz. Although it would be good to leave Kalac out of goals this time round. :eek:
sonovitch and Davu Suka
(SP)

Guess that footballing pundit doesn't know as much as he thought being all the way over there :p
Oh, he likes to do that sort of thing. Everyone they face is a potential world champion, and if that was in the thirties...

*recalls Uruguay game*

http://www.stuffhistory.com.au/what.htm
Anyways, this is a funny marketing campaign they were playing in the last few weeks, about an evil old man called "History" putting down the Aussies all the time.
I fear he has met his end. I'm sad, I loved those ads.

Although it would be good to leave Kalac out of goals this time round. :eek:
Kalac is not playing. Poor guy, but he's got only himself to blame. Hiddink usually doesn't comment on squad selection, but in a press conference today he made a special exception to say that Kalac will be on the bench...

Well I'm pumped, I'm gunna be sitting up with my oversized blow up finger
Which finger and on which hand do you have this amazing appendage?


Back onto topic:
I think Italy 2 - 0. For a couple of reasons:
Italy's had 3 games to analyse Oz now, so will know what to expect.
Even though Italy aren't playing too great, they're still one of the best teams in the world and one can reasonably expect them to move it up a notch when they need to.
Oz have never played under such pressure conditions before, whereas Italy have. That may cause a few Oz players to crack a bit.
When Oz played Brazil, the first 1/2 looked good for them only cause Brazil wasn't firing and Oz were playing very defensively. Problem with playing defensively is that it rarely wins games. A slip-up and suddenly it's 1 - 0 and you're needing to reorganise your whole game plan, which can easily cause another slip-up, making it 2 - 0 and you're stuffed. I think that what's going to happen here.

I'd be surprised if it was more than 2, cause Oz have been playing well and Italy, once they get their 2nd goal will shut up shop. No point attacking play since that can leave the back open for a counter-attack.


Would be cool though if Oz won (even though it would mean they wouldn't shut up about for months afterwards!)

Australia 1-0!

Because someone might have paid the Italian keeper to play badly on the day :p

Speaking of keepers - saw this is on SBS in front of a church "Jesus saves better than Kalac"

Oz have never played under such pressure conditions before, whereas Italy have. That may cause a few Oz players to crack a bit.
To be honest, it's not like there really is any pressure on the Aussies. No one expects them to do anything, even here.
It's the Italians who can't afford to slip up - they're the ones under pressure right now.

lol I don't want Lyghon street to be trashed again like it was when the Azzurri lost to Hiddink and his South Koreans, twas a laugh though " we woz wobbed"

(Getting his green and gold ready only about 90 minutes till kick off)

To be honest, it's not like there really is any pressure on the Aussies. No one expects them to do anything, even here.
It's the Italians who can't afford to slip up - they're the ones under pressure right now.
Come now. You live in Oz. Do you really believe that the Australian media (and most of the public) truly don't expect an Australian team playing in any sport, anywhere, to win?

Come now. You live in Oz. Do you really believe that the Australian media (and most of the public) truly don't expect an Australian team playing in any sport, anywhere, to win?
Yep. The guys on the World Cup Show all said that they supported Australia, and they tried their best to overstate the Australian strengths and Italian weaknesses, but they didn't say they expected anything.
That's the remarkable thing. You'd think the Aussies would lose all objectivity, but they haven't. They know that Italy is a much better team than they are, and just like they didn't expect a win against Brazil but just wanted to try their best and see what would come of it, they will do the same against Italy.

The Italians on the other hand really can't afford an embarrassment like this.

If Australia get through, it's just great but we are expected to be beaten by the 3 times winner of World Cup.

Italy must win to show the scandals home with all that match fixing is not affecting them. On paper, it looks one-sided with a super-looking Italian team minus Nesta but the USA manage a draw so they are not invulnerable.

Viva Italia! 2-0 to Italy.

2-0 to Australia if the Italians don't show up.

Viva Italia! 2-0 to Italy.

2-0 to Australia if the Italians don't show up.

Because they've been arrested for match fixing at the World Cup? :eek:

we must remain POSITIVE!

as in...i am positive theyre the better team
and i am positive we cant win
and i am still staying positive that we MIGHT win, and thats the bit of me thats still rooting for the aussies

90 minutes to go.
I'm much too tired to get excited. It better be worth staying up till like 5am on a school night.

90 minutes to go.
I'm much too tired to get excited. It better be worth staying up till like 5am on a school night.

itd better be worth getting 4 hours of sleep on the night of an english assessment

oh but it will ;) they always are

I hope it's not down a Mark Viduka penalty shot!

I hope it's not down a Mark Viduka penalty shot!

but maybe, just maybe, he's due

maybe.

but maybe, just maybe, he's due

maybe.

Well, I just hope he's been doing some practice. :)

but maybe, just maybe, he's due

maybe.
How likely is that?

Damn, would be hilliarous if it actually did come down to him though.

I just hope that this time we get a bloody ref who notices things like handballing and rugby tackles... :rolleyes:

How likely is that?

Damn, would be hilliarous if it actually did come down to him though.

surely he'd pull it off then, though?

oh please please please.
football gods, if you're up there - dont make viduka have to take any important penalties. please. i'll give you my firstborn.

surely he'd pull it off then, though?

oh please please please.
football gods, if you're up there - dont make viduka have to take any important penalties. please. i'll give you my firstborn.
Lol.

I would hope he did get it. I don't know how he could live on if he didn't.

I just hope that this time we get a bloody ref who notices things like handballing and rugby tackles... :rolleyes:

didja?!?! *waves* hiiii!

that ref... argh! dont get me started

Lol.

I would hope he did get it. I don't know how he could live on if he didn't.

he'd have to hide somewhere where noone could find him, like madagascar

on the other hand, this is the best we've EVER done at a world cup, so hed probably be a hero whatever happened.
the '74 team are revered still, and they didnt even score any goals!

didja?!?! *waves* hiiii!

that ref... argh! dont get me started

Some of refs have been shockers so far - they like waving yellow cards around.

he'd have to hide somewhere where noone could find him, like madagascar

on the other hand, this is the best we've EVER done at a world cup, so hed probably be a hero whatever happened.
the '74 team are revered still, and they didnt even score any goals!
Oh yea, that's a good point. A few days of feeling like shit then things should pick up for him.
Anyway, I really don't see this situation playing out, hehe.

Some of refs have been shockers so far - they like waving yellow cards around.

hmph. croatia vs. australia. three yellow cards and a red in one match, ay, ref??
explain that one to the ENTIRE WORLD

Oh yea, that's a good point. A few days of feeling like shit then things should pick up for him.
Anyway, I really don't see this situation playing out, hehe.

think POSITIVE!

Looks like Kewell isn't going to play today, not even as a bench player.
Guus said ...

Hopefully we don't have a repeat of our 22 yellow 4 red card day like we had yesterday.

Go Australia but Italy should win the game.

G'Day Australia, glad you're up watching the game :D

I keep my fingers crossed for the Australian team. Italy has yet to show that they play good football this World Cup.

Go Socceroos!!!

Hopefully we don't have a repeat of our 22 yellow 4 red card day like we had yesterday.

Go Australia but Italy should win the game.

Nah, we've got the same referee at the game where Australia beat Uruguay to make the final for this game! :D

Harry Kewell just walked out on crutches ... :confused:

Let the game begin

*starts to sing the Aussie Anthem*

Let the game begin

*starts to sing the Aussie Anthem*
Hehe, you started early - that was the Italian one, they're singing the Australian now. :D

Hehe, you started early - that was the Italian one, they're singing the Australian now. :D

Sorry but they aren't broadcasting the anthems over here.

Damn ESPN.

Oh great, SBS is having problems with live images when the game is just starting! :eek:

Either that or its a friggin delay.

I think we have a slight delay over here.

Edit: Yep a delay.

And that was very rude. Just as the Italian anthem started, they cut to a commercial.

*throws popcorn at the set*

This is funny. Now the game is underway.

A good start for Australia but just couldn't finish.

WOW!

Italy heads it wide.

Luca Toni heads wide ... close one.

10 minutes in and no yellows yet.

Australia nullifies potential threat, just.

Both sides are playing good Defense right now.

Italy off-side, 1st for the game.

Italy nearly scores but a great save by the keeper keeps it 0-0.

OZ keeper saves shot!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/boxing_kangaroo.gif
Come on, Aussies, fight!!!

What a save by the Aussie keeper.

YELLOW CARD ...

:eek:

Grella gets it

:D

Australia just got booked. The 1st yellow of the match.

Viduka header saved easily :confused:

And yes, it was #14 CHIPPERFIELD who got that yellow card.

CORRECTION: #13 GRELLA of Australia got the yellow. NOT Chipperfield.

ESPN soccer says 57% possession to Australia.

Now Italy got booked. #3 Grosso in the 29th minute.

Close one for Australia but no dice.

Buffon saves Italy ...

CORRECTION: #13 GRELLA of Australia got the yellow. NOT Chipperfield.

Nope.Was Chipperfield.
Clicky. (http://www.google.co.uk/ig?hl=en)

Nope.Was Chipperfield.

No it wasn't.

Cards
ITA AUS

3. GROSSO Fabio (29') 13. GRELLA Vince (23')

You were saying?

Nope.Was Chipperfield.

Funny, Grella according to ESPN web site!

Funny, Grella according to ESPN web site!

And Yahoo as well.

Toni is close again but is unable to finish it off as he heads it high over the bar.

Luca Toni heads over ... he's causing problems for Australia.

According to Google Live was Chipperfield.

According to Google Live was Chipperfield.

That is why I went with more reliable sources. Yahoo and ESPN. Both saying that it WAS NOT Chipperfield. Try refreshing it.

According to Google Live was Chipperfield.

Grella according to FIFA web site!
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/match/template.html?id=53

Grella according to FIFA web site!
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/match/template.html?id=53

That's what I'm using :D

Close call for Australia!

WOW. Not good. Hopefully the Italian is going to be ok.

HALF TIME 0-0

This is how a game should be, not that Portugal vs Dutch game. :p

Gah,Google sucks.Sorry,your probably right guys.
COME ON AUSSIES!

Australia are battling hard, but they don't appear to have any bite to their attack. Italy, on the other hand, look dangerous.

However this is football, and all it will take is one lucky break for Australia to cause a shock.

Looking at the FIFA stats, close all the way except Italy had 6 shots to Australia's 3. 11 fouls each and 1 yellow each.

On ESPN they called it as Chipperfield at first, but then corrected themselves to Grella, so there was obviously a little confusion originally, but it was definitely Grella.

I've just dragged myself upstairs at halftime (telly downstairs, computer upstairs)... so has everyone else got jangling nerves at this stage? Lots of close calls on both sides, but some great saves by Schwarzer has kept the Italians at bay so far.

You know, I went into this match hoping for an Aussie win but expecting an Italian win. Now, I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe, the Aussies can pull this off. They just have to get an extra body or two in the box. Poor Viduka's down there by himself most of the time.

Poor Viduka's down there by himself most of the time.

And you wonder why he never seems to score any goals during the World Cup? :p

Luca Tonia shoots over!

and yellow to Cahill.

Red To Materazzi

Luca Toni goes off for a defender. Toni was their best player on the field.

For crying out loud, half an hour left - go make yer goal, Aussies!

For crying out loud, half an hour left - go make yer goal, Aussies!

You should know us by now, wait for the 89th minute.

Well this one looks like it is headed for a penalty shoot out. The Italians are as good as any team in the world at playing defensively (it is what they do) and Australia seem devoid of ideas.

Penalties + Viduka = :eek:

Del Piero off, Totti on.

Aloisi (Oz) comes on! About time

Here come the Aussie subs. Look out Italy.

It looks like that this is going into extra-time.

I guess those of us who predicted Italy by two goals have to turn in our Nostradamus Club membership cards.

Italy muff another goal attempt ...

Gattuso gets a yellow

Gatusso of Italy got booked

Zambrotto of Italy got booked.

Zambrotta gets a yellow ... after running away from the referee.

3 minutes left in regulation.

A Penalty KICK for Italy :(

Omg

It's there. The dream ends.

And that does it. Italy won 1-0 on the penalty kick. :(

Totti has a penalty ... game over. THAT WAS NOT A PENALTY

Oh noes, poor Aussies!


*is in shock*


Boy, the guy who made the foul is gonna cry. And be deported or something.

Noooooooooo. Italy wins on penalties. :rolleyes: Er, in a manner of speaking.

What a bunch of cheats. The Argentinians, the Portuguese, and now the Italians.

Yes! Yes! Oh dear God yes!

Francesco Totti you god!

Last seconds ... God ... lucky for the some.

I mean there have been a lot of questionable calls in the tournament, but that was really unfair. Especially because the Aussis had been careful about tackling Italians in the area because of diving.

What a bunch of cheats. The Argentinians, the Portuguese, and now the Italians.

Agreed.

appalling decision there, though you have to give it to the Italians. They defended brilliantly. Oz had no way thru their defence.
Can't see why the Oz coach didn't sub more ppl on. It's like he had decided it was going to extra time, so was leaving them. Not a good move in hindsight.

Well that wasn't what I meant by Penalties.

Comiserations to the Aussies, it hurts to lose that way.

Congrats to the Italians, at least you tried to attack until the end even one man down.

Its about time they introduced video replays for the referees.

That ref was a first rate FOOL. Only a moron who wanted Italy to win would think THAT was cause for a penalty kick. God! Those damn Italians stole the victory!

I mean there have been a lot of questionable calls in the tournament, but that was really unfair. Especially because the Aussis had been careful about tackling Italians in the area because of diving.

Italy vs Switzerland or Ukraine (Swiss should win)

That ref was a first rate FOOL. Only a moron who wanted Italy to win would think THAT was cause for a penalty kick. God! Those damn Italians stole the victory!

european ref = victory for european team.

What a bunch of cheats. The Argentinians, the Portuguese, and now the Italians.
Well, the argentinians got cheated yesterday. No fucking way that was off-side. Fair enough they still won.
But what a lousy acting and it still gets the price in this game.

What a bunch of cheats. The Argentinians, the Portuguese, and now the Italians.

How did the Argentines cheat? They won fair and square (with an extremely beautiful goal i might add :P)

The Portugese played dirty for sure, but so did the Dutch.

Didn't see the penalty kick for the Italians unfortunately, damn work >.<

Google has it down as the 94th minute... now thats impressive.

Course, it isnt as impressive as what Australia did to Japan (3 goals in the last 6 minutes? ZOMG)

What a bunch of cheats. The Argentinians, the Portuguese, and now the Italians.
How are the Italians cheats? It was the ref that called it, not the Italians.
Do you think anyone from any country would turn down a match-winning penalty kick with 5 secs to go in a WC match?

That ref was a first rate FOOL. Only a moron who wanted Italy to win would think THAT was cause for a penalty kick. God! Those damn Italians stole the victory!

Heh. The ref was so biased towards Australia. He did everything in his power to get Italy out except a penalty. He even sent off an Italian player.

european ref = victory for european team.

That doesn't make it any less evil. And I thought they were from Mexico?

http://arthur.iea-coal.co.uk/files/IEACLE0001/Flags/Italy-flag.jpg

Yes. Take that Australia.

Totti has a penalty ... game over. THAT WAS NOT A PENALTY

It was a penalty - the referee said so. Additionally the Aussie player (Neill) blocked the Grosso's path with his body - obstruction in the area = penalty.

The mistake was in Neill going to ground. If he had kept on his feet then no penalty would have been given, but sliding tackles in the area are prone to give away penalties. Bad defending by Neill -which is unfortunate as he had been quite good.

That doesn't make it any less evil. And I thought they were from Mexico?

The ref was from Spain.

http://arthur.iea-coal.co.uk/files/IEACLE0001/Flags/Italy-flag.jpg

Yes. Take that Australia.

Oi, Argentina will smash Germany! :p

faaark

Its about time they introduced video replays for the referees.
Definitely. This WC has shown up some appalling ref'ing. They have them for cricket and rugby (both union & league), so why not football?

Oi, Argentina will smash Germany! :p

Germany will put up a better fight that Australia did. Great work defeating a team with 10 men... oh, wait...

The ref was from Spain.

It was the same ref who had charge of the Aussie vs Uruguay play off. If he wanted to be biased against Oz, he would have done it then, not when the whole world is watching.

I just saw the replay and ya know what? That wasn't a penalty. He was already on the ground when the Italian tripped over him. That wasn't a penalty.

Ref decides the game yet again.

I just saw the replay and ya know what? That wasn't a penalty. He was already on the ground when the Italian tripped over him. That wasn't a penalty.

Ref decides the game yet again.

It doesn't matter if you are lying on the ground or not, if you obstruct a player in the area it is a penalty. Neill slid in to make a challenge in the area and paid the price.

that wasn't a penalty, some of the refs in this WC have been terrible, especially in this game.

Still, one must wonder what would have happened if Australia scored on that bicycle kick...:headbang:

I just saw the replay and ya know what? That wasn't a penalty. He was already on the ground when the Italian tripped over him. That wasn't a penalty.

Ref decides the game yet again.

Consider it karmic realignment for the red card given to Italy.

european ref = victory for european team.
Yes, us european are backstabbing bastards by birth.
Now take that nice piece of prejudice, wrap it with razor wire and stick it where the sun doesnt shine, please?

It doesn't matter if you are lying on the ground or not, if you obstruct a player in the area it is a penalty. Neill slid in to make a challenge in the area and paid the price.

he didn't obstruct him. Only a fool would say he obstructed him. He slid yes but then did not move. It was the italian that tripped over him on purpose to get the call. I know how to read replays and that is what the replay clearly showed.

Man, we needed Kewell on the field really.

I just saw the replay and ya know what? That wasn't a penalty. He was already on the ground when the Italian tripped over him. That wasn't a penalty.

Ref decides the game yet again.

Not exactly. In the replays, yeah, it's not a true penalty. But Neill did go for the dive. It was more down to Grosso doing a good job of acting, pretending he'd been tripped. The ref only has a split second to decide these things and he doesn't have the benefit of slow-motion replay. I can't blame the ref for the call. The fault lies with Neill more than anything: he could have stayed on his feet and still hooked the ball out, but he went for the dramatics and it cost us the game.

he didn't obstruct him. Only a fool would say he obstructed him. He slid yes but then did not move. It was the italian that tripped over him on purpose to get the call. I know how to read replays and that is what the replay clearly showed.

Are you taking into consideration that the replay is in slow motion? Grosso could not do anything other than trip over Neill, and that was obstruction.

But as a poster above says, consider it Karma for the ridiculous red card.

Comment on that by a neutral - to Oz biased professional:

"An absolutely astounding decision. He wasn't the last man, it wasn't that bad a foul - and yet the referee has shown the red card. Disgusting."
Chris Waddle, Radio Five Live
source (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/4991534.stm)

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I'm the first one to say the officiating in this World Cup has been terrible, but in this case Neill put himself in a position for Italy to create the penalty. Certainly the trip could have been avoided, but who wouldn't take advantage?

It is a shame the game had to end this way for the Australian side. They played a terrific match, but in retrospect maybe they should have attacked more at the end. They started to look like they were playing for overtime.

Are you taking into consideration that the replay is in slow motion? Grosso could not do anything other than trip over Neill, and that was obstruction.

But as a poster above says, consider it Karma for the ridiculous red card.

Comment on that by a neutral - to Oz biased professional:

I saw the replay on that and the Ref made a bad decision there.

As to the penalty. I saw both live action and slow motion. It wasn't a penalty.

This just plain fucking sucks.....

Yesterday Portugal-Netherlands, today the Socceroos...
The FIFA needs to fuck off, this is the worst WC i've ever seen in my fucking life! I'd say get rid of the FIFA and hope these referees commit suicide or something. Also these Southern European teams need to be banned from the WC for not playing soccer, because the game they put up has nothing to do with soccer. Just fucking great... Only team left worth supporting is Germany, but i'm not watching any single game anymore. No need to waste my time on this shite.:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

And........


VIVA ITALIA

And........


VIVA ITALIA
:upyours: FUCK YOU.

I saw the replay on that and the Ref made a bad decision there.

As to the penalty. I saw both live action and slow motion. It wasn't a penalty.

Well we will have to disagree. I too saw both the live action and various replays and I fail to see what Grosso could have done other than fall over Neill.

Well we will have to disagree. I too saw both the live action and various replays and I fail to see what Grosso could have done other than fall over Neill.

You are forgetting the words hop and jump.

:upyours: FUCK YOU.

Calm down huh. It's only football after all.

Ok, 1-0 for us as per my bet. :D

Yes, the penalty was really questionable. However, if you dive between an opponent and the ball, that's what you are risking. I also have to watch again the red card for Materazzi.

Not a great game. Italy perhaps should have scored in the 1st half, when we had the opportunities. Australia was less aggressive than I would have expected once in power play. Our physical condition was clearly poor, but the Aussies did not raise the pace of the game.

Chapeau to the losers, they played well and the match was generally fair. We go ahead, how far, who knows?

:upyours: FUCK YOU.

In your face.

You are forgetting the words hop and jump.

You are forgetting the words - reaction time.

You are forgetting the words - reaction time.

There was enough time. Notice the trip happened 2 seconds after the defender was already on the ground and didn't move? The Italian had plenty of reaction time.

:upyours: FUCK YOU.


What can I say? Not only did ITALIA deserve to win but ITALIA is a better team.

Australia couldnt keep up so they got sent packing.

What can I say? Not only did ITALIA deserve to win but ITALIA is a better team.

Australia couldnt keep up so they got sent packing.

:rolleyes:

Gattuso gets a yellowclearly not a foul.

I HATE ITALIAN FOOTBALL!!!!They always play like pussies, score one and then kill the game totaly or have some crazy luck (like now). That was absolutely no penalty, Grosso could go right but he steped over that Australian player and then just fell down, that should even be yellow card for Grosso.
sry for bad english.

Totti has a penalty ... game over. THAT WAS NOT A PENALTYnope.. it was not a foul.

There was enough time. Notice the trip happened 2 seconds after the defender was already on the ground and didn't move? The Italian had plenty of reaction time.

I agree, there was enough time. But, is the attacker bound to avoid a penalty? After watching the replay, I would probably not have awarded the penalty. But it was a close call, in my view, and the defender was a bit naif.

I HATE ITALIAN FOOTBALL!!!!They always play like pussies, score one and then kill the game totaly or have some crazy luck (like now). That was absolutely no penalty, Grosso could go right but he steped over that Australian player and then just fell down, that should even be yellow card for Grosso.
sry for bad english.


Be welcome to Catenaccio

It is a form of playing, sad, but effective.

Where are you from?

I HATE ITALIAN FOOTBALL!!!!They always play like pussies, score one and then kill the game totaly or have some crazy luck (like now). That was absolutely no penalty, Grosso could go right but he steped over that Australian player and then just fell down, that should even be yellow card for Grosso.
sry for bad english.

10 goals or one penalty, you still win. Although the last time teams went defensive (1990 WC), the attacking team (West Germany) won. So... Italy should pump it up if they want to win.

I HATE ITALIAN FOOTBALL!!!!They always play like pussies, score one and then kill the game totaly or have some crazy luck (like now). That was absolutely no penalty, Grosso could go right but he steped over that Australian player and then just fell down, that should even be yellow card for Grosso.
sry for bad english.

It isn't fun to watch, but it has won them three world cups. Keep in mind they have also been victimized by their style of play as well (remember the South Korean Golden Goal in '02?).

There was enough time. Notice the trip happened 2 seconds after the defender was already on the ground and didn't move? The Italian had plenty of reaction time.

1. Neill was still sliding when Grosso tripped over him.
2. There was well less than a second between Neill starting the sliding tackle and the collision, where you got two seconds from I have no idea.
3. Sliding tackles in the area are no-nos, and Neill knows that. The penalty was a result of his stupidity.
4. The referee decided it was a penalty, so it was a penalty.

You are entitled to think that it should not have been one, but that is just your opinion. The fact of the matter is that it was a penalty.

hmph. croatia vs. australia. three yellow cards and a red in one match, ay, ref??
explain that one to the ENTIRE WORLDI dont understand your post.
Your rant is that the zebra exeeded the maximum allowed numbers of cards per match?
:confused:

This controversy pales in comparison to england's cheating against trinidad when that monkey "crouch" pulled a trinidad player's hair.

1. Neill was still sliding when Grosso tripped over him.

No he wsn't.

2. There was well less than a second between Neill starting the sliding tackle and the collision, where you got two seconds from I have no idea.

Obviously we didn't watch the same game.

3. Sliding tackles in the area are no-nos, and Neill knows that. The penalty was a result of his stupidity.

Despite wonderful acting by the Italians.

4. The referee decided it was a penalty, so it was a penalty.

even though everyone knows that it wasn't a penalty.

You are entitled to think that it should not have been one, but that is just your opinion. The fact of the matter is that it was a penalty.

Fact of the matter was, it wasn't a penalty.

Be welcome to Catenaccio

It is a form of playing, sad, but effective.

Where are you from?
Yeah, yeah i know everything about catenaccio, but thats not football, football is Joga bonito.......JINGA!!
Where am i from?Well if i must say...serbia and montenegro.....I am realy ashamed about our performance against Argentina but the thing that is always fucking us is psychology, if we concede 2 goals, all players stop running and dont give a fuck about anything so we concede 20000 more.
Thats why i like germany, whether they are losing or winning they are always giving their max .....

Fact of the matter was, it wasn't a penalty.

Check the match statistics. It was a penalty: FACT.

Whether it should have been or not is what you are arguing about.

10 goals or one penalty, you still win. Although the last time teams went defensive (1990 WC), the attacking team (West Germany) won. So... Italy should pump it up if they want to win.

Actually, in 1990 we lost to Argentina in the semis (penalties). And Italy has an unbelievable record for losing WC's without losing games... at least in the 90':
1990: penalties to Argentina
1994: penalties to Brazil
1998: penalties to France
2002: golden gol to Moreno (sorry, S. Korea)
2006: ?

Yeah, yeah i know everything about catenaccio, but thats not football, football is Joga bonito.......JINGA!!
Where am i from?Well if i must say...serbia and montenegro.....I am realy ashamed about our performance against Argentina but the thing that is always fucking us is psychology, if we concede 2 goals, all players stop running and dont give a fuck about anything so we concede 20000 more.
Thats why i like germany, whether they are losing or winning they are always giving their max .....

Jinga and Jogo bonito aren't working anyway

I hope for some team to invent a new way of playing football, but to no avail

2006: ?
I believe they will get the semi-final and germany or argentina will do late justice and kick them out. probably this match winner will take the cup.

This just plain fucking sucks.....

The FIFA needs to fuck off, this is the worst WC i've ever seen in my fucking life! I'd say get rid of the FIFA...I agree,

just one thing, the previous WC officiating has not been any better, the problem is, people only want to see it when its against their team.
... Only team left worth supporting is Germany..The Germans are World class divers/whinners too, If you do not beleive it.. just watch the game-tapes from the last World cup they won..

The Germans are World class divers/whinners too, If you do not beleive it.. just watch the game-tapes from the last World cup they won..
the german's national team had bad history as ugly but winning defensive football.
atleast until now kalinsman teach the germans how to play well offense game and they deserve the cup.

Well...

ITALY WON!!! :cool: It was a close game, but I'm glad that Italy pulled through. Just as reference, I'm an Italian so...naturally I have to hope that my native country wins. Sorry to all you Socceroo fans, but 'L Azzurri were just better:p

Sorry to all you Socceroo fans, but 'L Azzurri were just better:p

Yes, because having the ref on your side makes your team better...

the german's national team had bad history as ugly but winning defensive football.
atleast until now kalinsman teach the germans how to play well offense game and they deserve the cup.is that a Turkish Player?

Yes, because having the ref on your side makes your team better...
LOL
The ref that was so much on their side that he sent off one of their players for no good reason. If the socceroos had taken advantage of this, then they would still be in the cup and the Italians would be bemoaning the ref.

Well....

Italians today were so luckyyyy...

It wasn't no penalty since it was a clear clip from Grosso while the while was already half way in the box..

Go England, and Socceroos... good match and hail Schwarzer :P

Ruben

Yes, because having the ref on your side makes your team better...


I have excoriated the referring throughout this world cup as the worst ever
Although I picked Italy to win, I was cheering for the Aussies
I think the Aussies played a terrific game
I hated to see the game decided the way it was


Having said all that, it was Neill who screwed up, not the ref.

Damn, a penalty three seconds before the end of extra time? Lucky Italians :p

Australia was better, but Italy is a Denfensive Powerhouse, its hard to make a goal when they're in tortoise formation.

I agree that the Refs in this WC are the worst I've ever seen. Really, a lot of games were full of mistakes by the referees.

is that a Turkish Player?

Dude, that's the coach. Klinsmann.

Having said all that, it was Neill who screwed up, not the ref.

It wasn't a foul Neill made, the Eyeties are just sneak b*stards :p

Klinsmann. (not kalinsman)I know who Klinsmann is. ;)

Damn, a penalty three seconds before the end of extra time? Lucky Italians :p

Australia was better, but Italy is a Denfensive Powerhouse, its hard to make a goal when they're in tortoise formation.

I agree that the Refs in this WC are the worst I've ever seen. Really, a lot of games were full of mistakes by the referees.
This is just another game that got me thinking - could it be that the better the replays and tv-broadcasting technology live via satellite and such, 10 cameras and more is used to show the game, the more the referees' mistakes become obvious.

20 years ago a game was shown using 3 cameras and when the referee made a call that was it.

Now there are 10,000 replays from 30 gazillion angles and everyone goes nuts.

It wasn't a foul Neill made, the Eyeties are just sneak b*stards :p80's.. ??

Disco!! Burn-baby-burn

80's.. ??

Disco!! Burn-baby-burn

:p ROFL :D

And I always thought Disco's was 70's :D

This is just another game that got me thinking - could it be that the better the replays and tv-broadcasting technology live via satellite and such, 10 cameras and more is used to show the game, the more the referees' mistakes become obvious.

20 years ago a game was shown using 3 cameras and when the referee made a call that was it.

Now there are 10,000 replays from 30 gazillion angles and everyone goes nuts.So here is the question..

I get North american brodcasts.. www.unovision.com www.abcsports.com www.espn.com www.galavision.www www.tsn.com www.sportsnet.ca www.rds.com etc.. (satellite)

I can get it like from half a dozen channels..

but they all show the same camera angle and the same Replay (half the time they do not even show a replay)..

Is it like that all over the planet?

So here is the question..

I get North american brodcasts.. www.unovision.com www.abcsports.com www.espn.com www.galavision.www www.tsn.com www.sportsnet.ca www.rds.com etc.. (satellite)

I can get it like from half a dozen channels..

but they all show the same camera angle and the same Replay (half the time they do not even show a replay)..

Is it like that all over the planet?

No, in Spain two channels (LaSexta and Cuatro) are showing the World Cup, and in the spanish matches they use different images. Maybe it is that all the North American channels use the same provider, but the in-match images (with the ball running) have to be the same for everybody. I tried it, and when the ball is stopped, or out, the images of these two channels differ.

Now we could discuss about the presenters... :headbang:

No, in Spain two channels (LaSexta and Cuatro) are showing the World Cup, and in the spanish matches they use different images. Maybe it is that all the North American channels use the same provider, but the in-match images (with the ball running) have to be the same for everybody. I tried it, and when the ball is stopped, or out, the images of these two channels differ.
thx for the feedback

No, in Spain two channels (LaSexta and Cuatro) are showing the World Cup, and in the spanish matches they use different images. Maybe it is that all the North American channels use the same provider, but the in-match images (with the ball running) have to be the same for everybody. I tried it, and when the ball is stopped, or out, the images of these two channels differ.

Now we could discuss about the presenters... :headbang:
The broadcasters here in the UK are saying that the in-game action replays are out of their control, which implies a single live feed. Out of game replays can presumably be chosen and run at individual broadcasters' discretion from recordings.

The broadcasters here in the UK are saying that the in-game action replays are out of their control, which implies a single live feed. Out of game replays can presumably be chosen and run at individual broadcasters' discretion from recordings.

Hum, I'm thinking there may be different levels of broadcast; LaSexta bought the whole World Cup and is showing all the matches Live, and has some problems with in-game replays that you make me sound familiar; but Cuatro bought only the rights for Spain's matches and doesn't suffer that problem. Really.

Pd.:

I need to say, to anybody who knows what I mean (if any):

¡¡SALINAAAAS!! ¡¡NO TE DUERMAS, SALINAAAAS!! :D :D

I just want to say well done to the Socceroos, they gave it everything. They can come home with their heads held high.

Italy were just the better side, they had that extra touch of class that the better teams have. They defended brilliantly & created better opportunities.

The Aussies had most of the play in the second half, but lacked that quality edge needed to put it away. I'm gutted that we lost in that manner :( , but I'm really pleased with how the boys played throughout the tournament. They've done us proud. :)

Harsh.

But, well, they've got only themselves to blame. They started well enough, but then (in the second minute or so) they decided they were going to play for penalties. Or so it seems.

If you have 60% of the possession, and you don't manage a single really serious chance, then that's just not good enough. And Italy defended well.

The penalty itself probably wasn't one (but then, neither was the red card), but they put themselves in the situation where a decision like that would put them out of the tournament.

But overall, they can be proud of themselves.

I dont understand your post.
Your rant is that the zebra exeeded the maximum allowed numbers of cards per match?
:confused:

oops. i should be a more coherent ranter

for the ONE player

the ref gave the croatian guy two yellow cards, but forgot [or something] to show him the red card. when he gave him the third one, and finally gave him a red, even then he didnt leave the field [about 5 seconds to go in the game, but still..]

Oh noes, poor Aussies!


*is in shock*


Boy, the guy who made the foul is gonna cry. And be deported or something.
Guinea bastards!
The Ocker didn't foul no one.

So here is the question..

I get North american brodcasts.. www.unovision.com www.abcsports.com www.espn.com www.galavision.www www.tsn.com www.sportsnet.ca www.rds.com etc.. (satellite)

I can get it like from half a dozen channels..

but they all show the same camera angle and the same Replay (half the time they do not even show a replay)..

Is it like that all over the planet?

No, in Spain two channels (LaSexta and Cuatro) are showing the World Cup, and in the spanish matches they use different images. Maybe it is that all the North American channels use the same provider, but the in-match images (with the ball running) have to be the same for everybody. I tried it, and when the ball is stopped, or out, the images of these two channels differ.

Now we could discuss about the presenters... :headbang:
I asked that question after a rather singular camera shot during a game the other day (they showed some weird kind of slo-mo replay of a player raising his shirt so you could see his tattoo), and Greater Alemannia said he had the same footage.
I'm in Germany, he's in Australia. So I kinda thought FIFA had one single feed and TV stations just got it from them.

Since this doesn't seem to be the case now after all, I'm stumped.
I got to wondering in the first place because the camera positions/angles of our footage seem to be perfect, so I kind of wondered if there's even any *way* to put in several channels' own cameras without some of them eventually being banished to the outskirts of the pitch.

I asked that question after a rather singular camera shot during a game the other day (they showed some weird kind of slo-mo replay of a player raising his shirt so you could see his tattoo), and Greater Alemannia said he had the same footage.
I'm in Germany, he's in Australia. So I kinda thought FIFA had one single feed and TV stations just got it from them.

Since this doesn't seem to be the case now after all, I'm stumped.
I got to wondering in the first place because the camera positions/angles of our footage seem to be perfect, so I kind of wondered if there's even any *way* to put in several channels' own cameras without some of them eventually being banished to the outskirts of the pitch.

I thought everyone had the same feed too, because some Aussie commentators were talking to a couple of commentators for another country & they were bitching about how they are getting inappropriate replays while the action is continuing on the pitch.

I thought everyone had the same feed too, because some Aussie commentators were talking to a couple of commentators for another country & they were bitching about how they are getting inappropriate replays while the action is continuing on the pitch.
Yeah, I don't know. I still kind of think only one feed for all is more likely - I mean, I only ever see like 1 camera on each side of the pitch, if I see one at all (those weird ones on the crane-like arms above the goals come to mind).

We should make a thread to find out during some game.

Take a singular, conspicuous, easy-to-compare moment and ask people if everybody saw the same thing.

Unfortunately my query about that tattoo shot was answered only by one person, everybody else was busy watching the game. :p

This is just another game that got me thinking - could it be that the better the replays and tv-broadcasting technology live via satellite and such, 10 cameras and more is used to show the game, the more the referees' mistakes become obvious.

20 years ago a game was shown using 3 cameras and when the referee made a call that was it.

Now there are 10,000 replays from 30 gazillion angles and everyone goes nuts.
Honestly no, because i am seeing errors that i would have seen 4 years ago.

I think that the penalty actually was a penalty... It was not a great foul, but Neill obstaculated Grosso that had already avoided him... If you do it in that zone of the field it may be considered as a penalty kick...

As an official referee, I'd just like to say that the last penalty was a terrible decision. Neill's tackle certainly wasn't good, but the dive from the Italian player was just as bad. With just 10 seconds left in the game, a referee should give the benefit of the doubt to the defence. Especially because the game would've gone to extra time, not just a nil-all draw. I thought the ref had a great game apart from that decision, although the red card was a bit harsh. Oh and BTW, obstruction is an indirect free kick, not a penalty. :headbang: And yes, I was hoping Aussies would win...

Yeah, I don't know. I still kind of think only one feed for all is more likely - I mean, I only ever see like 1 camera on each side of the pitch, if I see one at all (those weird ones on the crane-like arms above the goals come to mind).

We should make a thread to find out during some game.

Take a singular, conspicuous, easy-to-compare moment and ask people if everybody saw the same thing.

Unfortunately my query about that tattoo shot was answered only by one person, everybody else was busy watching the game. :p

I think it is just one feed. The logistics of even just 2 or 3 different channels' cameras, editing studios, etc would be a nightmare for the organisers.

As an official referee, I'd just like to say that the last penalty was a terrible decision. Neill's tackle certainly wasn't good, but the dive from the Italian player was just as bad. With just 10 seconds left in the game, a referee should give the benefit of the doubt to the defence. Especially because the game would've gone to extra time, not just a nil-all draw. I thought the ref had a great game apart from that decision, although the red card was a bit harsh. Oh and BTW, obstruction is an indirect free kick, not a penalty. :headbang: And yes, I was hoping Aussies would win...
What do you mean wasn't good?
He 'couldn't' give the benefit of the doubt to Oz because Italy would go Emo like in '02.

As an official referee, I'd just like to say that the last penalty was a terrible decision. Neill's tackle certainly wasn't good, but the dive from the Italian player was just as bad. With just 10 seconds left in the game, a referee should give the benefit of the doubt to the defence. Especially because the game would've gone to extra time, not just a nil-all draw. I thought the ref had a great game apart from that decision, although the red card was a bit harsh. Oh and BTW, obstruction is an indirect free kick, not a penalty. :headbang: And yes, I was hoping Aussies would win...

How official is official? Do you do proper FIFA matches? Or like domestic comps?

What do you mean wasn't good?
He 'couldn't' give the benefit of the doubt to Oz because Italy would go Emo like in '02.

go. emo?

chuck a tanty?

i like.

For all you lucky enough to speak German: Read this!
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,423809,00.html
Beim Sport ist unser Luigi besonders tückisch, wie man jedes Jahr millionenfach an den Stränden der Adria beobachten kann. Er braucht Stunden, um seinen schmächtigen Körper und das Haupthaar einzuölen, seinen Rücken von Fellresten zu befreien und sein wenig spektakuläres Gemächt in eine viel zu enge Badehose zu stopfen. Dann stolziert er stundenlang umher, um schließlich maximal fünf Minuten beim Strandfußball mitzumachen. Er springt wie ein Wahnsinniger umher, imitiert brüllend Gesten, die er im Fernsehen gesehen hat, trifft den Ball höchst selten, die Knochen der anderen dafür umso härter.

Weil er schnell erschöpft ist, genügt ihm die leiseste Berührung eines Gegners, um melodramatisch zu Boden zu gehen. Noch im Stürzen wirft er einen Blick ringsum, ob im Publikum genügend Menschen sind, insbesondere Frauen, die ihn bemitleiden und wieder aufpäppeln. Schmachtende Blicke deutscher Urlauberinnen sind die Lebensgrundlage des italienischen Mannes.

Insofern geschah gestern nicht Ungewöhnliches. Fabio Grosso fiel im Strafraum und grinste noch im Fallen. Der nicht minder ölige Francesco Totti verwandelte dann den Elfmeter gegen Australien. Danach lutschte er am Daumen. Das ist normal bei italienischen Männern. Es war wie immer. Am Freitag werden die kickenden Holzfäller aus der Ukraine eingeölt und angeschmiert. So schlawinern sich die Italiener mal wieder bis ins Halbfinale. Dann, liebe Luigis, ist allerdings Feierabend. Wir haben da noch ein paar Rechnungen vom letzten Italien-Urlaub offen.

For all you lucky enough to speak German: Read this!
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,423809,00.html
*feels lucky* :p

Oooh, mean. :D Almost too mean, actually, but eh. *shrugs* *dives* :p

For all you lucky enough to speak German: Read this!
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,423809,00.html

well, i tried, but google translations....


With the sport our Luigi is particularly malicious, as one can observe each year millionfold at the beaches of the Adria. It needs hours, in order to oil its schmächtigen body and the main hair to release and plug its little spectacular Gemächt into a much to close trunk its back from skin remainders to. Then it stolziert around for hours, in order to take part in finally maximally five minutes in the beach football. It jumps as a mad around, imitated roaring gestures, which it saw on the television, meets the ball most rarely, the bones other for it the harder.

Because it is fast exhausted, the quietest contact of an opponent is sufficient for it, in order to go melodramatisch to soil. Still in falling it throws a view all around, whether in the public sufficient humans are, in particular to women, who pity and again up-pamper it. Schmachtende of views of German vacationers are the base of life of the Italian man.

To that extent yesterday unusual did not happen. Fabio Grosso fell in the Strafraum and still grinste in falling. The not less oily Francesco Totti transformed then the eleven-meter against Australia. Afterwards it lutschte at the thumb. That is normal with Italian men. It was like always. On Friday the kickenden Holzfäller from the Ukraine are oiled and angeschmiert. So schlawinern itself the Italians times again in the semi-final. Then, dear Luigis, is however end of workday. We have there still a few calculations from the last Italy vacation openly.



"The not less oily Francesco Totti transformed then the eleven-meter against Australia"

oh dear
perhaps you could just sorta sum it up for us non-german speakers??

For all you lucky enough to speak German: Read this!
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,423809,00.html

Something about Luigi being an oily diver?

For all you lucky enough to speak German: Read this!
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,423809,00.html

Entshuligung, Mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut, willst du ein (translation) machen?

Ich habe nicht gross deutsch gelernt.

Something about Luigi being an oily diver?
It's a gag (sort of), exploiting all the usual stereotypes of Italian men (the oily diver being one of them). I think the auto-translation gives a rough idea, although it probably doesn't convey quite the right intonation...;)

Anyways, it's aimed primarily at the fact that Germany will meet Italy in the Semis, if Pelé wills it.

go. emo?

chuck a tanty?

i like.
yeah remember this is the nation of divers who got boooted out by South Korea (i think) in Korea in '02 and their Domestic league is full of corruption.

Entshuligung, Mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut, willst du ein (translation) machen?

Ich habe nicht gross deutsch gelernt.
Aw, how cute was that? :) :fluffle:

yeah remember this is the nation of divers who got boooted out by South Korea (i think) in Korea in '02 and their Domestic league is full of corruption.
Extra o!:rolleyes:
I imagine melodramatisch is melodramtically?

Aw, how cute was that? :) :fluffle:
Well with you being a 10, i'd give it a 4.5.:p

Well with you being a 10, i'd give it a 4.5.:p
http://www.willamette.edu/~gorr/classes/cs449/figs/skewed.gif

Aaanyways, let's get back to the football, shall we?

It's a gag (sort of), exploiting all the usual stereotypes of Italian men (the oily diver being one of them). I think the auto-translation gives a rough idea, although it probably doesn't convey quite the right intonation...;)

Anyways, it's aimed primarily at the fact that Germany will meet Italy in the Semis, if Pelé wills it.
And thank God for the bolded part - next thing you know some Italian would come strolling along and beat us up. :eek:

Aaanyways, let's get back to the football, shall we?
*likes to point out that she has stayed on topic all the time, only once quickly complimenting another poster's German, and even that was kinda on topic.*

yeah remember this is the nation of divers who got boooted out by South Korea (i think) in Korea in '02 and their Domestic league is full of corruption.

don't a couple of the soccerooos play with those "oily" italians in their "corrupt" league? :(

*likes to point out that she has stayed on topic all the time, only once quickly complimenting another poster's German, and even that was kinda on topic.*
Oh, you're excused. It's everybody else's fault. Especially mine, I suppose.

Aaanyways, let's get back to the football, shall we?

sorry.

And thank God for the bolded part - next thing you know some Italian would come strolling along and beat us up

note my quote marks in above post

sorry.

http://www.willamette.edu/~gorr/classes/cs449/figs/skewed.gif

Aaanyways, let's get back to the football, shall we?
Erm no.
http://www.russianlegacy.com/catalog/images/soviet_collection/posters/B550.jpg
And thank God for the bolded part - next thing you know some Italian would come strolling along and beat us up.
Going by World War Two standards Italians would much sooner surrender than fight, heck they'd drive right up in tanks and surrender.
Not since Roman times has an Italian really been worth anything.
don't a couple of the soccerooos play with those "oily" italians in their "corrupt" league?
Not sure i know Dwight Yorke plays in Sydney and Aucklands team sucks.:)

*likes to point out that she has stayed on topic all the time, only once quickly complimenting another poster's German, and even that was kinda on topic.*
Can't have been i, i only replied to you.

Aw, how cute was that? :) :fluffle:

Cute because it was so bad? I thought so. Got the desired reaction though, so s'all good.

*floats to bed on sea of happiness*

don't a couple of the soccerooos play with those "oily" italians in their "corrupt" league? :(

Yes, Bresciano at Parma & Kalac at AC Milan. Someone else I can't quite think of too.

Edit: Grella is also at Parma.

You people owe me.

The Italian man, let’s call him Luigi Forello, is a parasitic life form. He is unable to survive without outside help. He’ll always attach himself to something. And then he’ll let go and fall. Especially on the football pitch. Luigi Forello is continuously busy to illustrate his helplessness. That starts with the name…if the name isn’t Luigi, it’s “Andrea” or “Luca”.

Luigi’s primary purpose in life is to avoid exertion. Favourite host organism is “La Mama”, his big-breasted creator, who washes his half-silk socks and cooks pasta every day, with lots of sauce. Once he’s about 30 years old, the Italian man switches cooks. He marries in order to reproduce. The consequences are gruesome. A formerly stunning Italian woman turns into a broad-hipped kitchen appliance within a few months – a new Mama. He doesn’t care though, because Luigi is busy with partaking in a motorcade, provided his shoddy Fiat makes it. But he’ll be back for dinner.

Our Luigi is especially tricky at sport, as one can observe millions of times every year on the beaches of the Adriatic. He’ll need hours to oil his lanky body and hair, remove fur remainders from his back and stuff his somewhat unspectacular package into much too tight Speedos. Then he’ll prance about for hours, to finally take part in a beach football game for five minutes at the most. He then hops about like a madman, screamingly imitates gestures he watched on TV, hits the ball seldom but the bones of everyone else all the harder.

Since he’s soon exhausted even the slightest touch of an opponent is enough to make him go to ground melodramatically. Even while still falling he’ll glance around whether enough people are watching (especially women) to bemoan him and pamper him back up. Longing glances of German women are the livelihood of the Italian man.

Considering all that nothing out of the ordinary happened yesterday. Fabio Grosso fell in the penalty area, grinning while still falling. The no less oily Francesco Totti converted the penalty against Australia. Then he sucked his thumb. That’s normal with Italian men. Business as usual. On Friday the kicking lumberjacks from Ukraine will be oiled in and humbugged (Does that make sense? I’m meeting my limits with “angeschmiert”). So the Italians once again wriggle their way into the Semifinals. But then, dear Luigis, it’s over. We still have a few scores to settle from the last holiday to Italy.

Cute because it was so bad? I thought so. Got the desired reaction though, so s'all good.

*floats to bed on sea of happiness*
Nah, it wasn't that bad. Still cute, though. :p

And, um, on topic...

Did anybody hear anything from the Aussie player who made the unlucky foul? Has he been forgiven yet?

Did anybody hear anything from the Aussie player who made the unlucky foul? Has he been forgiven yet?
I haven't seen any interviews. He didn't want to talk to anyone.

But no one is blaming him. People blame the ref...and besides, he's been Australia's player of the tournament, by some margin.

- snip fabulous translation -
Oooooh, but not without the picture:

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,653807,00.jpg

:p

You people owe me.
It is true.
Bambino's!:rolleyes:
Honestly Totti should be hacked down in the next game and the pepurtrator should suck his own thumb.
Ah Poetic Justice...

Oooooh, but not without the picture:

Wimpy Italian

:p
:(

Neu Leonstein, wow, that was really biased.

Let's hope no italian in this forum read that.

Neu Leonstein, wow, that was really biased.
:D
That sorta is the point...

Neu Leonstein, wow, that was really biased.

Let's hope no italian in this forum read that.
Yet it is the truth.

You people owe me.

wOw

thanks! - i needed a laugh at the italian footballers

i can do that, right? laugh at a stereotype?

[doesnt want to be un-pc]

Neu Leonstein, wow, that was really biased.

Let's hope no italian in this forum read that.
Yeah, it was, that's why I said he was lucky it was in German only. But no... :p

But it's really still good-natured. There isn't any kind of rivalry between Germans and Italians, it's just rather good-natured stereotypes (other than, say, between the British and the Germans).

Hell, half of Germany vacations in Italy every year and we're just secretely envious of la dolce vita.

But still - Italian soccer players are notorious for the diving and the handwringing and the whining. Must be all that opera. :p

Yet it is the truth.

Yes, it is for sure, suuure

And you are?

:(

Ok, I'm Australian, didn't watch the game, value my sleep.

Dissapointed a tad when I find out they lose, that's that.

Watch the news, find out about the Penalty, very dissapointed.

I personally believe that it wasn't a penalty, especially considering the camera angle which I've been shown the most, although I must concede that from the refs positioning he definitely could've given it.

The ref, who I've been told was the same one who was the official at the Second Leg of Uruguay Vs Australia (Which Australia won 1 - 0, and then won on penalties to get into the World Cup), saw the occurence side on, not face on from either Neill or the Italian bloke, which is fair enough, that's the position you'd expect him to be in, and all he would've seen is a sliding Aussie and an Italian dropping to the ground. Whether or not the Italian bloke (can't be bothered finding name) dived isn't really up to me.

I'm dissapointed, as this game called 'The Beautidul Game' and 'The World Game', isn't really that beautiful but sometimes ugly, like this happening, which has enraged many yet brought sheer delight to some in Australia (Massive Italian population, especially in Victoria. Look upm Lygon St.) and the times when people riot, such as the English and German fan confrontation, of which some very sensitive and innapropriate topics are bragged about (e.g the World Wars).

I'm also disheartened by the Italian fans, pointing out their victory, some would say rightly so as they won, but saying that they are the better team (which on paper they probably are) isn't appropriate considering how tight the match was.

In contrast, the Italians are at every World Cup and are ranked No. 13 in the world, compared to Australia, with this World Cup being our second appearance, with our first actual points and goals coming from it (it has no doubt been a succesful campaign), and Australia is ranked No. 42 in the world.

Not a big Soccer fan, an Aussie Rules fan being Victorian, but the World Cup has been an interesting little side dish to the AFL, and gives one something to watch at one o'clock in the morning.

Going by World War Two standards Italians would much sooner surrender than fight, heck they'd drive right up in tanks and surrender.
Not since Roman times has an Italian really been worth anything.


While speaking about WWII, it could make sense to recall that a physicist called Enrico Fermi gave probably the single most important contribution to discovering and controlling nuclear chain reactions. Other, bloodier, WWII issues are too serious to be "discussed" here.:(

I hope that our football team will not hurt again the feelings of the more sensitive part of the audience... maybe we will lose to Ukraine. Otherwise, we will yield to the brave German team, for the happiness of the uncorrupted couple Blatter - Beckenbauer.;)

By the way: in Italian there is no idiom like "it sucks" or the like. I don't know how Totti's gesture has been intepreted abroad, but it clearly (well, clearly for us) he is one of those players, fathers of newborn children, who cannot refrain from public celebration of their fatherhood. Childish enough, but no more than many others I have seen (first I remember was Bebeto).

Nah, it wasn't that bad. Still cute, though. :p

And, um, on topic...

Did anybody hear anything from the Aussie player who made the unlucky foul? Has he been forgiven yet?

As NL said, he's been our best player of the tournament. He saved our arses more than once, so there's nothing to forgive.