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ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

I'm not anti-American in the least! I love our friends to the south! :D :fluffle:

Yawn.

Yawn.


eat me south islands.

Somebody call a waaaaammmbulance.

Anarchy land34']eat me south islands.

*eats*

Hmmm...needs salt.

Yawn.

You're American... fluffle? :)

You do realise that insulting the president of the United States is not necessarily equivalent to insulting the nation herself?

Or are you a puppet of The UN Abassadorship?

You're American... fluffle? :)

Yes, I am American.

Yes, I will fluffle. :fluffle:

I like the United States. Most of my good friends are American, i have been there numerous times and had a great time. That being said, the insults work both ways. I have seen plenty of Americans insult other countries because they think theirs is the greatest on earth and they believe that warrants hatred of everyone else. Do you think i haven't heard people insult Canada before?

I like the United States. Most of my good friends are American, i have been there numerous times and had a great time. That being said, the insults work both ways. I have seen plenty of Americans insult other countries because they think theirs is the greatest on earth and they believe that warrants hatred of everyone else. Do you think i haven't heard people insult Canada before?

did u say somthing eh?
ay?
aY?
just kidding, that was mean, u get a free shot at an american now

Yes, I am American.

Yes, I will fluffle. :fluffle:

:D :fluffle:

Anarchy land34']
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.

Yeah we know, and we don't claim otherwise (the b*****d)
Anarchy land34']
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
Well, Stuff like crime, human right violations... yeah, that stuff doesn't help. (Slight Hyperbole, but then, so was the OP's comment, except not 'slight'.)
Anarchy land34']
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

Then clean up your damn act.

Yeah we know, and we don't claim otherwise (the b*****d)
[QUOTE='[NS:::]Anarchy land34']
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
[/quote/ Well, Stuff like crime, human right violations... yeah, that stuff doesn't help. (Slight Hyperbole, but then, so was the OP's comment, except not 'slight'.)


Then clean up your damn act.
^
exactly what im talking about

lol...don't worry, i don't get offended when i know the person is kidding.

I do disagree with the majority of things Bush stands for, but i also disagree with the majority of things my current PM stands for. I certainly don't hate my country because of that, it wouldn't make me hate yours.

Anarchy land34'][QUOTE=Batuni]Yeah we know, and we don't claim otherwise (the b*****d)

^
exactly what im talking about


All right, fair enough.

Prove me wrong!

All right, fair enough.

Prove me wrong!

It's impossible to prove anyone wrong.

People have opinions, sometimes they have very strong opinions. Whining about said opinions doesn't do much except encourage them (especially on this board).

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.
Have you noticed NSers bust EVERYBODY's balls every 4th thread? We make fun of every stupid ignorant act we can find. It just seems America has more shares of it.

Anarchy land34']everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.
Why would you say that? As far as I can tell, you are arguing against having to put up with people who disagree with you.

Anarchy, I think you'll find most other countries don't hate us, but rather our government. It is frustrating to get bashed, but it's also frustrating to other places when we seem (to them) to run rampant over the world. That's why I like places like this one. We can talk, and find out all Americans aren't nasty, and not everyone in the world hates us.

It's impossible to prove anyone wrong.

Hey, South Islands... I've noticed you're from Michigan... I'm from Ontario...

a/s/l

Well, your profile says your the a and the l, but it's missing the s... a vital piece of information.

Hey, South Islands... I've noticed you're from Michigan... I'm from Ontario...

a/s/l

Well, your profile says your the a and the l, but it's missing the s... a vital piece of information.

Male. Confused male.

I like the United States. Most of my good friends are American, i have been there numerous times and had a great time. That being said, the insults work both ways. I have seen plenty of Americans insult other countries because they think theirs is the greatest on earth and they believe that warrants hatred of everyone else. Do you think i haven't heard people insult Canada before?
Hi! It's kind of hard to insult Canada. Y'all are just so darn nice!

Male. Confused male.

I see... well, I guess I can swing that way. Where do you wanna meet up?

Anarchy land34']
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.

I'm American. I think our President is the worst leader in the history of the world. That includes Hitler. Just because someone hates our President doesn't mean they're anti-American.

just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread


You wonder why some people DO hate America? Because of people making comments like this. They're unintelligent, arrogant, and ignorant comments. We're not the best at "everything." Acting like this fits the stereotype that rednecks have given America by going to Europe and acting that way.

Hi! It's kind of hard to insult Canada. Y'all are just so darn nice!

Come on, can anyone really hate Canada? It's like hating puppies. It just doesn't happen.

It's impossible to prove anyone wrong.

Not really, there are certainly definite facts that will prove certain opinions and statements to be incorrect.

However, I will concede the point for this conversation and instead ask : Please provide proof of this #1 in everything (almost).

As, for the rest of the points, I have already conceded that Blair sucks, and have thought so for the last three soddin' elections, and... well, that seems to be the only other point. Huh.

I'm not anti-american, I'm just anti-current government.

I see... well, I guess I can swing that way. Where do you wanna meet up?

Lets just see how our internet fluffling goes, K?

:fluffle:

Confused male.
Isn't that a redundancy? ;)

its funny that someone starts a thread saying how he hates American bashing (i do to btw) and the thread will eventually turn into just that.

That is irony my friends.

lol...well thank you, we try.

its funny that someone starts a thread saying how he hates American bashing (i do to btw) and the thread will eventually turn into just that.

That is irony my friends.

Nah, it's gunna be Flufflefest '06

Isn't that a redundancy? ;)

Not according to the Department of Redundancy Department.

Lets just see how our internet fluffling goes, K?

:fluffle:

:P :fluffle:

Flufffest all the way!

:P :fluffle:

Flufffest all the way!

I fluffle you more!

:fluffle: :fluffle:

Nah, it's gunna be Flufflefest '06
Try this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478371) then.

its funny that someone starts a thread saying how he hates American bashing (i do to btw) and the thread will eventually turn into just that.

That is irony my friends.

Well, to be completely fair, let me clarify my opinion of America and Americans.

Americans first off, I know several with whom I get along rather well, and of whom I am quite fond.

I am certainly not 'Anti-American'.

As for America - I was rather more fond of the country before its recent abuses of human rights, y'know, all those lies, all that torture, and, well, that hypocritical, moronical flip-flop in charge.

There was once a dream that was America. What the bloody hell happened to it?

There was once a dream that was America. What the bloody hell happened to it?

It's still there, just hidden underneath decades of political mudslinging and government incompetence. The America of Washington DC is a world apart from the real America.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.


YES THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO THINKS THE SAME WAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Not according to the Department of Redundancy Department.
Point.

:fluffle:

Yes, I am American.

Yes, I will fluffle. :fluffle:

Turn in your mancard. Now.

I don't know, I do my fair share of bashing (Look at me in a topic about France). It's unrealistic to not expect some crap in return... :p

Turn in your mancard. Now.

Real Men Fluffle.

I'm American. I think our President is the worst leader in the history of the world. That includes Hitler.


^^^^^WOW i read that and i just have to say something..


first of all, you think bush is the worst leader in the world. Your obviously right, because the genocide occuring in america right now is just horrible. the UN should really intervene. and bush keeps ordering the sensless killing of innocent americans in gas chambers. Bush has obviously stockpiled huge masses of gas and other WMD's and has launched them agains americans.


yeah you think he's worse than hiter. your sickening. i would like to say that you are not an american. adolf hitler killed MILLIONS of innocent people. george bush deposed a cruel dictator. Adolf hitler invaded neutral nations only for territorial gain. George bush invaded iraq because EVERY OTHER SENSIBLE WORLD POWER SAID IRAQ HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. if you think george bush is worse than hiter you do not even deserve to call yourself an american. George bush has fucked up alot of times. but you shoudl really stop short of saying he is no better than a crazed muderer who thrives off the blood of his own innocent countrymen.

why are we fluffling

*snip*

I agree.

I'm not a fan of Bush either, but to say he is worse than Hitler is ridiculous. He does lots of things i disagree with, but he is not a genocidal maniac.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/evil/1370.gif
:P :fluffle:

Flufffest all the way!
I fluffle you more!

:fluffle: :fluffle:
*watches as TSI and Defiantland get Fluffed up.*
:)

http://forums.ratedesi.com/images/smilies/grouphug.gif

Anarchy land34']why are we fluffling

Irony

You start a thread about how people from other countries bash America, and you get people from other countries getting along with and fluffing with Americans. Thus proving you wrong.

Irony

You start a thread about how people from other countries bash America, and you get people from other countries getting along with and fluffing with Americans. Thus proving you wrong.


im not fluffing

Okay guys, it's 11 PM here and I'm sleep deprived, so don't knock this idea to harshly or take it too seriously.

But I have an idea... we should get all the American NSers, all Europeans, and all Canadians in one thread... and FLUFFLE.

A GIGANTIC MASS FLUFFLE!

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

FLUFFLES!!!!! :fluffle:

By the way, The South Islands and Defiantland gave me the idea. :)

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

Um... I LOVE YOU! :eek:

^^^^^WOW i read that and i just have to say something..
-snip-
Erm... before you get your panties in a bunch, look carefully at his wording.

"Bush is the worst leader in world history, and that includes Hitler."

"Worst". Not "most evil".

While Hitler did some awful things, he was a highly charismatic leader who managed to unify Germany for 12 years and get away with the things he did by means of good leadership. Bush, on the other hand, has the lowest approval ratings in history (since, oh I don't know, Warren Harding or something), continues to bungle up everything he does, gets us into quagmire occupations, chokes on pretzels, relies on his manipulative advisors extensively, and generally is a failure as a leader.

Bush is not more evil than Hitler. He's just more incompetent.

Tell me, did I analyze correctly?

yeah you think he's worse than hiter. your sickening. i would like to say that you are not an american. adolf hitler killed MILLIONS of innocent people. george bush deposed a cruel dictator. Adolf hitler invaded neutral nations only for territorial gain. George bush invaded iraq because EVERY OTHER SENSIBLE WORLD POWER SAID IRAQ HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. if you think george bush is worse than hiter you do not even deserve to call yourself an american. George bush has fucked up alot of times. but you shoudl really stop short of saying he is no better than a crazed muderer who thrives off the blood of his own innocent countrymen.

Wait, what? Who else said they had WMD? As far as I recall... the US and, well, the UK, which is far from being a world power... Hrm... Did the Spanish say anything? I don't recall...

Basically, Bush invaded Iraq because he wanted to invade Iraq, regardless of the lies he used to justify it.


PS. All he has to do to call himself an American, is to be born in America, no?

Try this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478371) then.
Or perhaps they could go to Japan and explain a few things?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488967

Real Men Fluffle.


:eek:

Let's go ask the buffet of Manliness, Chuck norris.




No, chuck norris does not fluffle.

Erm... before you get your panties in a bunch, look carefully at his wording.

"Bush is the worst leader in world history, and that includes Hitler."

"Worst". Not "most evil".

While Hitler did some awful things, he was a highly charismatic leader who managed to unify Germany for 12 years and get away with the things he did by means of good leadership. Bush, on the other hand, has the lowest approval ratings in history (since, oh I don't know, Warren Harding or something), continues to bungle up everything he does, gets us into quagmire occupations, chokes on pretzels, relies on his manipulative advisors extensively, and generally is a failure as a leader.

Bush is not more evil than Hitler. He's just more incompetent.

Tell me, did I analyze correctly?


no u didnt.
ok i dont want to make this a bush thread
but
bush didnt kill over a million jews.
ok and my great uncle is a hollacost survivor so dont fucking compare bush to hitler,you pricks.

Erm... before you get your panties in a bunch, look carefully at his wording.

"Bush is the worst leader in world history, and that includes Hitler."

"Worst". Not "most evil".

While Hitler did some awful things, he was a highly charismatic leader who managed to unify Germany for 12 years and get away with the things he did by means of good leadership. Bush, on the other hand, has the lowest approval ratings in history (since, oh I don't know, Warren Harding or something), continues to bungle up everything he does, gets us into quagmire occupations, chokes on pretzels, relies on his manipulative advisors extensively, and generally is a failure as a leader.

Bush is not more evil than Hitler. He's just more incompetent.

Tell me, did I analyze correctly?


adolf hitler was a heroine addict because of Dr. Morell his physician. he didnt control the country joseph goebles did. ok propaganda ran the country hiter was just its poster child. i agree that it worked but, still come on...its hitler we're talking about...

and the pretzel thing....touche. im chucklin a little.

FLUFFLE POWER!

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:eek:

Let's go ask the buffet of Manliness, Chuck norris.




No, chuck norris does not fluffle.


HELL YES! chuck norris would round house kick the fluffle in the face...then have bob saget come and finish the job.

Anarchy land34']
ok and my great uncle is a hollacost survivor
Well, maybe he could teach you how to spell "hollacost [sic]" then.

*snip* chokes on pretzels, *snip*
Bush is not more evil than Hitler. He's just more incompetent.


OH EM EFF GEE!!! Bu5H CH0K3D 0N A PR3TZZ3LZ0RZ!!! H3 5UXX M4J0R A5s!!!!!!!!!`11111!!111!!1!1!!1one!!!eleven!!!!111!1!!!shift+1!!!!

Choking on pretzels has not to do with incompetency as a leader, Czardas. I'm anti-Bush as well, but somehow him choking on a pretzel does not seem relevant to the argument at hand.

HELL YES! chuck norris would round house kick the fluffle in the face...then have bob saget come and finish the job.

Chuck Norris is powerless against the fluffle.

:fluffle:

Hey, I like this idea!


:fluffle:

And, although they're not here, :fluffle: Foxy, and :fluffle: CLoon, and :fluffle: Kosh, and :fluffle: Luna and :fluffle: ...Well, all of 'em.


Oh wait, Kosh isn't American.... ahh , well, :fluffle: him anyway. :)

Well, maybe he could teach you how to spell "hollacost [sic]" then.


..why the hell would you mock someone like that

thats like going up to a 9/11 or for you people a london bombing victim and saying HAH WELL MABEY UR INJURED UNCLE CAN TEACH YOU HOW TO SPELL.

ignorant douchebag..

OH EM EFF GEE!!! Bu5H CH0K3D 0N A PR3TZZ3LZ0RZ!!! H3 5UXX M4J0R A5s!!!!!!!!!`11111!!111!!1!1!!1one!!!eleven!!!!111!1!!!shift+1!!!!

Choking on pretzels has not to do with incompetency as a leader, Czardas. I'm anti-Bush as well, but somehow him choking on a pretzel does not seem relevant to the argument at hand.
I know, I just threw that in as a joke....

Seriously, some people are too new/haven't been spending enough time on NS General lately to understand me. I feel lonely and old. :(

bush didnt kill over a million jews.
Once again, let me put it in larger letters for you so you will understand.

THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT OVER BUSH'S EVILNESS AS OPPOSED TO HITLER'S. IT IS AN ARGUMENT OVER HIS COMPETENCY.

Clear? Zip.

Wait, what? Who else said they had WMD? As far as I recall... the US and, well, the UK, which is far from being a world power... Hrm... Did the Spanish say anything? I don't recall...

Basically, Bush invaded Iraq because he wanted to invade Iraq, regardless of the lies he used to justify it.


PS. All he has to do to call himself an American, is to be born in America, no?


Russia France Germany Israel China Japan Australia....its just that many of them chose to stay out of it because the populace wouldnt agree with the war. and the UK is a power...they have the second most powerful navy. they have more nukes than israel and france combined. they have been either the #1 or #2 power in the world for well over 500 years. HA the UK not a power...wow im laughing....your a dipshit if you dont know that. you have no place in a political discussion if you dont know that. HAHAHAHAHA.

and the spanish arent a world power...theyre actually pretty far from it...they lost their empire over 100 years ago and have until recently been little pussy's that went neutral in every conflict. spain is more of a local power than a world power.

Is my Mass Fluffle plot working?

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Is my Mass Fluffle plot working?

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Yes.

Heil Fluffle!

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

I know, I just threw that in as a joke....

Seriously, some people are too new/haven't been spending enough time on NS General lately to understand me. I feel lonely and old. :(
Aww, I understand you Czardas! :fluffle:

Once again, let me put it in larger letters for you so you will understand.

THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT OVER BUSH'S EVILNESS AS OPPOSED TO HITLER'S. IT IS AN ARGUMENT OVER HIS COMPETENCY.

Clear? Zip.
you know you're going to have to repeat that atleast a dozen more times in the next two pages, right?

I know, I just threw that in as a joke....

Seriously, some people are too new/haven't been spending enough time on NS General lately to understand me. I feel lonely and old. :(



considering you haven't been around lately, you're bound to have missed some things.

Like me becoming Admin of the Athar forums...

adolf hitler was a heroine addict because of Dr. Morell his physician. he didnt control the country joseph goebles did. ok propaganda ran the country hiter was just its poster child. i agree that it worked but, still come on...its hitler we're talking about...

Your argument would be a whole lot more convincing if you correctly identified the drug Hitler was addicted to. Or if you used evidence. Either way is fine.

Anarchy land34']..Why the hell would you mock someone like that?

That's like going up to a 9/11 or, for you people, a London bombing victim and saying 'HAH, WELL MAYBE YOUR INJURED UNCLE CAN TEACH YOU HOW TO SPELL.'

Ignorant douchebag..

Corrected.

He was addicted to Fluffles from Goering!

Hitler :fluffle: Goering

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread i see some insulting american remark yeah ok a lot of people hate our president. britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost) doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread
Good luck w'dat. I've just learned to ignore most of the nonsense they pump out.

Anarchy land34']just because were #1 in everything(well almost)

Not in punctuation, apparently.

Here are some apostrophes for you to use:

' ' ' ' ' ' ' '

Anarchy land34']..why the hell would you mock someone like that

thats like going up to a 9/11 or for you people a london bombing victim and saying HAH WELL MABEY UR INJURED UNCLE CAN TEACH YOU HOW TO SPELL.

ignorant douchebag..

You are the one being lightly mocked, not your great uncle.

Anarchy land34']Okay, I'm freaking pissed off that whenever I look inside a thread, I see some insulting, American remark.

Yeah, okay, a lot of people hate our President. Britain, your Prime Minister sucks ass too.
Just because we're #1 in everything (well,almost), doesn't mean we need to have some European or Canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread!

Everyone feel free to debate, add on, etc.

Also corrected, in case you hadn't realised.

ARG! Too much grammar-correcting, not enough FLUFFLING! FLUFFLE!

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

I find it insulting that you are insulting my intelligence with this thread. bah, why am I feeding trolls

*insert lyrics to "I'm So Bored Of The U.S.A." here*

ARG! Too much grammar-correcting, not enough FLUFFLING! FLUFFLE!

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:fluffle: back, in humble apology. ;)

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

Well if you're so offended why don't you leave and never return?

Well if you're so offended why don't you leave and never return?

Somebody needs to be FLUFFLED!:fluffle:

Anarchy land34']
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)



China and India graduate 950.000 engineers each year, USA: 70.000
Your savings rate is zero, US Americans are borrowing 80% of the world savings.
The natinal bill for litigation is higher than your R&D spending.
You have inferior broadband service (to most of Europe and parts of Asia)
Of the 120 $1 billion-plus chemical plants being built, one is in the US (50 is in China)
In 2006, more US Americans will graduate with a degree in sports-exercise than in electrical engineering (you'll end up a nation of hairdressers and telephone cleaners, ref. HGttG)

Yes, you're number one in lots of stuff, but unless you lose the attitude, and makes some changes, you'll find yourselves up the famous Shit Creek in a matter of 30-50 years.

I find it insulting that you are insulting my intelligence with this thread. bah, why am I feeding trolls

LSMIF

Anarchy land34']..why the hell would you mock someone like that

thats like going up to a 9/11 or for you people a london bombing victim and saying HAH WELL MABEY UR INJURED UNCLE CAN TEACH YOU HOW TO SPELL.

ignorant douchebag..
Alright, let's play the civilian deaths challenge!

September 11th - about 3-4000 US deaths.
July 7th - 57 or so people.

Iraq war - US Government estimate of deaths - about 40,000.

Everyone else's estimate - more like 75-120,000.

So at the US' estimate, which is quite low, there are 10 Iraqi deaths for every US one in Septmember 11th.

How can a "number one nation" tolerate that kind of murder, especially in a country that has nothing to do with the attacks in question?

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

A few thingffs spring to mind, the first being there you go right there it's whenyou say(and belive it to be true) things like 'just because were #1 in everything' that makes people go ohhh fuckin' big headed Americans.

The second thing, don't sweat it do you really care what people you don't even know say about your country, not you personaly but your country, really, is it that important to you, really?

Thirdly, if it realy does, then I guess there is no helping you.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.
It's worrying that so many Americans fail to notice how hated their nation is around the world. I'm not commenting on that hatred being right or wrong, just that it most certainly exists. Just because you think you're the good guys, doesn't mean the entire planet does too.

And it's etc, for et cetera.

The fact that a nation might be number one in terms of armament, gross national product, food-consumption, etc, is not a valid argument for the elevation of that nation to an uncriticisable, holy location.

Everyone has the right to point out what they think is wrong with the world, with people, with countries and nations. The fact that sometimes more criticism befalls one country, person, etc does not mean that everyone is necessarily against them per se. It could just be that the criticism is valid and that things are not right with say, the U.S. on many counts.

Btw; To never question one's own government is the surest way to dictatorship.

It's impossible to tarnish America's good name. The Americans beat us to it.

The fact that a nation might be number one in terms of armament, gross national product, food-consumption, etc, is not a valid argument for the elevation of that nation to an uncriticisable, holy location.

Everyone has the right to point out what they think is wrong with the world, with people, with countries and nations. The fact that sometimes more criticism befalls one country, person, etc does not mean that everyone is necessarily against them per se. It could just be that the criticism is valid and that things are not right with say, the U.S. on many counts.

Btw; To never question one's own government is the surest way to dictatorship.


Agreed. All of the above.

Since the US makes more noise than anyone else, whose affairs get more coverage than any other country, they tend to be on average the country that most people will be aware of. We're closer to France, holland, belgium etc but we know more about what goes on in the US than them.

So if the US is getting things wrong then they are going to get more criticism. Every nation gets something wrong so if you are in more people's faces, you are going to get criticised more.

Particularly when significant international agreements get bypassed by the US - International Criminal courts, Kyoto agreement, that little minor matter of the.....oh what's it called.....Geneva convention? The common perception appears to me to be that if any other nation wants something, the US will ignore them. If the US wants anything internationally, it better happen or else...

Other points. On 9-11, thousands of people died IN the US. Try checking the nationality of those who died. I believe they were of 90+ nationalities(?)

Also for the Iraq war supporters, you should also be aware that the people of Britain, Spain and Japan were against the invasion of Iraq. Our experience in Britiain was of a series of excuses being thrown at us, each of which was thrown out for lack of evidence and in some cases outside lies. Links with Al-Qaeda? Nope. Threat to send missiles against Britain (the 45 mins claim)? Nope. WMD? Nope.

Finally Tony BLiar had to settle for "Because he's a bad man". Leading to the question - "When are we going to invade Zimbabwe, North Korea etc and force regime change?"

Oh and before anyone says "We had evidence". The word evidence originally meant "That which is seen". Has anyone seen any?

Britain were not involved because the British people wanted it. We were involved because the US government wanted it. You have to wonder how many other "supporting" nations were cajoled or threatened into their support.

And just to give an example of why the rest of the world considers the US to be arrogant. There's been a lot of flag-waving about bringing democracy to Iraq by the US. This from a nation who appeared to be unaware a few years ago that the principal of democracy is that the guy with the MOST votes wins the election..... Even Saddam managed that one, even if most of the submitted votes were dodgy. The numbers still left him winning.

The Daily Mirror ran a prominent ad campaign before the invasion of iraq showing Saddam and talked about a national leader with weapons of mass destruction being a threat to other nations. The pic was then replaced with a pic of Dubya. I think it won an award. It certainly deserved one.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

Tell me, how long have you had these feelings of paranoia

You have to wonder how many other "supporting" nations were cajoled or threatened into their support.


Norway, for one. Norwegian troops (not many, but still) were sent despite of the oppinion of the Norwegian pepole.

This topic has been done to death. Trawl these forums a bit deeper and you'll find plenty of Americans proclaiming their nation to be the best in the world at everything. If you can't take criticism don't join a debate. Simple as.

Russia France Germany Israel China Japan Australia....its just that many of them chose to stay out of it because the populace wouldnt agree with the war. and the UK is a power...they have the second most powerful navy. they have more nukes than israel and france combined. they have been either the #1 or #2 power in the world for well over 500 years. HA the UK not a power...wow im laughing....your a dipshit if you dont know that. you have no place in a political discussion if you dont know that. HAHAHAHAHA.

and the spanish arent a world power...theyre actually pretty far from it...they lost their empire over 100 years ago and have until recently been little pussy's that went neutral in every conflict. spain is more of a local power than a world power.

If its number of nuclear bombs wich say how powerful a country is, then remember that Russia has way more of 'em than USA. Nobody in Europe beleived Iraq had WMD's. That someone still actually beleive that Bush thought so, amazes me. He lied to you. Theres so many evidences that Bush has lied to you dozens of times spitting you in the face, that I cannot understand how you still beleive anyhting he says.

And I don't hate americans, but I do loathe both your culture and your government.

I'm going to take a step back and look at the bigger picture here. There's an underlying principle at work when people bash America in general - and by "in general" I mean that not everyone who bashes America does it for this reason, but many of them. The principle is that those on the bottom will hate those on the top. It's probably the greatest, truest thing that Nietzsche said. Slave morality. Look at any society that was ever on top of the world. Ancient Rome, Great Britain, Nazi Germany...the less powerful nations of their times weren't too fond of them.

Right now the U.S. and the U.S. military in particular, is the strongest military machine in history, both relatively and absolutely. Stronger than Roman legions at the height of their power and stronger than the Wermacht in 1942. It's no wonder people hate America. I guarantee you if it were another nation that had the kind of power and spoils that America does, it would be them the rest of us are bashing.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

Hm, what juicy, delicious-looking bait! I think I'll have a bite...

No, wait, it's a troll with a fishing rod!

Oh, bother.

I'll tell you what I do.. I will cheerfully criticise, constructively where possible, anyone who does foolish, nasty things. When international politics are involved, this means governments rather than people. I criticise my own government. I criticise others. I don't mind other people criticising mine. Contrary to what some would have others believe I am not identical with my rulers. Nor are other people identical with theirs.

Of course, I prefer to shut up about hings I know nothing about. That's what separates perceptive criticism from mere prejudice.

And I try very hard only to give in to the kneejerk persecution complex when I feel that someone is only criticising what they think to be me while not open to self-criticism themselves.

Granted, this may make me a poor internet user. But that's the only way understanding works.

I'll tell you what I do.. I will cheerfully criticise, constructively where possible, anyone who does foolish, nasty things. When international politics are involved, this means governments rather than people.

You should note that there are quite a few posters on this forum (who may also be American) who have a kneejerk, no evidence approach to hating America.

But it's an Internet forum. And more to the point, it's NS General, where if you're not getting your feelings hurt, you're not having fun here.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.
1) The spelling and grammar here are really not helping improve the image of Americans as ignorant barbarians.

2) More than half of Americans currently think our country is fucking up royally in numerous areas. They're not being "anti-American" for saying so, they are actually expressing one of the founding values of our country.

3) Talking shit about Bush does not in any way equate to talking shit about America. America is a nation of laws, not men. Our president is an elected civil servant, not our King. It is perfectly possible to love America deeply and still think the current president is a total jackass.

4) As an American, I know that my country is showing its ass all over the damn world. The people representing us are screwing up left and right. I'm glad that other countries are pointing out when America does something stupid, because we ARE doing stupid shit.

1) The spelling and grammar here are really not helping improve the image of Americans as ignorant barbarians.

2) More than half of Americans currently think our country is fucking up royally in numerous areas. They're not being "anti-American" for saying so, they are actually expressing one of the founding values of our country.

3) Talking shit about Bush does not in any way equate to talking shit about America. America is a nation of laws, not men. Our president is an elected civil servant, not our King. It is perfectly possible to love America deeply and still think the current president is a total jackass.

4) As an American, I know that my country is showing its ass all over the damn world. The people representing us are screwing up left and right. I'm glad that other countries are pointing out when America does something stupid, because we ARE doing stupid shit.


Let me explain. No, let me sum up.

Every country screws up at some point or another. In America, we get to rant about it.

Let me explain. No, let me sum up.

Every country screws up at some point or another. In America, we get to rant about it.
Heh. That'll do. :)

You should note that there are quite a few posters on this forum (who may also be American) who have a kneejerk, no evidence approach to hating America.

But it's an Internet forum. And more to the point, it's NS General, where if you're not getting your feelings hurt, you're not having fun here.

How could one hate America? I understand it's quite beautiful as a place. It has marvellously rich cultural influences to draw upon, despite past and present attempts to wipe some of them out. The thing is, it's a symbol. Symbols mean different things to different people.

To you, I gather it really is the land of the free. You probably think it could be the most wonderful place on earth if it weren't for all those irrationally hostile people both in the rest of the world and at home. Or perhaps that it is, despite them.

For some people outside the US is a beacon of hope because they believe in the American Dream. Some people have the same dream of Europe or "The Big City". But then many people in the US and outside see the Dream as quite outside reality.

For some other people, US policy, as opposed to a more nebulous America, has instigated military coups and bloody wars in their own countries and represents cynical dealings with the worst kind of tyrants motivated by profit or prejudice. And sometimes they see an electorate that either supports this or couldn't care less.

No other state has interfered to this degree in the rest of the world for decades simply because no other state could. That's bound to attract attention.

No other cultural industry has reached as many viewers as Hollywood has (in fact this is to some degree down to policy, too). It's the American Dream Factory. Its myths are bound to attract attention, too.

So, which symbol do you choose... what is "America" in the first place?

So much of it is loathsome. So much of it is great. Each requires separate address to make sense.

The same applies to so many other symbols too. "Iraq" is another one of them. If we fail to decode them and pay attention to others' interpretations as well, we just might find we are not really talking quite the same language.

If only the American Dream were true. If only Jesus's had been. Or Lenin's. Or Gandhi's. Or even Hollywood!

But symbols are never quite unambiguous. That's just how they (don't) work.

How could one hate America? I understand it's quite beautiful as a place. It has marvellously rich cultural influences to draw upon, despite past and present attempts to wipe some of them out. The thing is, it's a symbol. Symbols mean different things to different people.

To you, I gather it really is the land of the free. You probably think it could be the most wonderful place on earth if it weren't for all those irrationally hostile people both in the rest of the world and at home. Or perhaps that it is, despite them.

For some people outside the US is a beacon of hope because they believe in the American Dream. Some people have the same dream of Europe or "The Big City". But then many people in the US and outside see the Dream as quite outside reality.

For some other people, US policy, as opposed to a more nebulous America, has instigated military coups and bloody wars in their own countries and represents cynical dealings with the worst kind of tyrants motivated by profit or prejudice. And sometimes they see an electorate that either supports this or couldn't care less.

No other state has interfered to this degree in the rest of the world for decades simply because no other state could. That's bound to attract attention.

No other cultural industry has reached as many viewers as Hollywood has (in fact this is to some degree down to policy, too). It's the American Dream Factory. Its myths are bound to attract attention, too.

So, which symbol do you choose... what is "America" in the first place?

So much of it is loathsome. So much of it is great. Each requires separate address to make sense.

The same applies to so many other symbols too. "Iraq" is another one of them. If we fail to decode them and pay attention to others' interpretations as well, we just might find we are not really talking quite the same language.

If only the American Dream were true. If only Jesus's had been. Or Lenin's. Or Gandhi's. Or even Hollywood!

But symbols are never quite unambiguous. That's just how they (don't) work.


"I was just a boy when the infidels came to my village in their Blackhawk helicopters. The infidels fired at the oil fields and they lit up like the eyes of Allah. Burning oil rained down from the sky and cooked everything it touched. I could only hide myself and cry as my goats were consumed by the fiery black liquid death. In the midst of the chaos, I could swear that I heard my goats screaming for help. As quickly as they had come, the infidels were gone. It was on that day I put a jihad on them. And if you don't believe it, then you'd better kill me now, because I'll put a jihad on you, too."

"I was just a boy when the infidels came to my village in their Blackhawk helicopters. The infidels fired at the oil fields and they lit up like the eyes of Allah. Burning oil rained down from the sky and cooked everything it touched. I could only hide myself and cry as my goats were consumed by the fiery black liquid death. In the midst of the chaos, I could swear that I heard my goats screaming for help. As quickly as they had come, the infidels were gone. It was on that day I put a jihad on them. And if you don't believe it, then you'd better kill me now, because I'll put a jihad on you, too."

So do we agree that keeping the peace is a very good way of keeping the peace?

So do we agree that keeping the peace is a very good way of keeping the peace?
No. Sooner or later, someone will want to not keep it, and you have to be ready to kill them while they're talking shit in their safe house.

Shouldn't you be spam-creating anti-europe threads or something instead of whining incessantly?

Anarchy land34']britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.

I'm sure somebody has (mostl likely) said this before, but 99.9% of the population agrees with you (and I) on this issue. One of the good sides of living in a nation of cynics is that we all hate our leaders, and thus don't fall into the "If you hate [Insert leader of X here] you hate [X] and are anti-[X]" trap.

There've been plenty of threads bashing other countries too. Maybe you're just blind to them, or maybe there are more threads angry at America because it has more complaints stacked against it's name than almost every other country out there. Your president, although a huge problem, isn't the only one.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

Damm whinging septics :rolleyes:

i've read at least a half dozen threads today, and not one of them bashed on americans - maybe it's your ability to misquote to your own advantage and think you're #1 at almost everything that makes a lot of people assume arrogance is given to you at birth.

I've been to the states and most of the people I met were very charming and very nice and not at all as they're protrayed - i think most of the people that 'america bash' haven't really been and are basing opinions on what they read in papers and see on the TV. OR they're judging an entire nation on a couple of a bad run in's they've had!

nah, Americas fine, spent plenty of time there and i know plenty of Americans and they're fine people. But for whatever reason you guys turn into arrogant bastards the second you cross the border into anywhere lol. Hell it's trendy to trash talk America these days, and hell you guys make it easy, but when it comes right down to it it's an innovative and productive country that even though it has its problems treats its people well and does damn well. Though seriously if you guys would stop turning into arrogant bastards everytime you leave your country, people might be a little less prone to bashing you guys when they've never even seen America. And if you guys made a truck that would work for longer than a month of heavy work before needin a complete overhaul it'd help too lol

They are #1 for paranoia? Oversensitivity?

p.s. never met an american I didn't like. Having said that I have never met a US politician.

treats its people well

You're straying onto dodgy territory there. Try adding "so long as they have money" and you'll be on safer ground.

Though seriously if you guys would stop turning into arrogant bastards everytime you leave your country, people might be a little less prone to bashing you guys when they've never even seen America. And if you guys made a truck that would work for longer than a month of heavy work before needin a complete overhaul it'd help too lol

Right on the money. We're so rude when we go to other countries because we don't bother to follow local customs. I even heard that the tradition of starting the work day by singing a cheer song in Wal Mart didn't go over too well in the stores in Germany. In my opinion it's tacky anyway. :p

You're straying onto dodgy territory there. Try adding "so long as they have money" and you'll be on safer ground.

I don't have money. I'm treated just fine thank you very much. I know that if I want more money I'll actually have to get off my ass, get educated and work for it - not get handouts from other taxpayers who went out there and worked for it.

Arg. What happened to the fluffles...??? Ten hours ago everybody was fluffling... FLUFFLE! GAAH!

:fluffle: :fluffle:

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

Now young man , wash you mouth out you potty mouthed young scamp...
yes the prime minsister of the uk is a smiling leach..but the US is not number one at everything...
ok most allied soldiers killed by the us..yep your number one..
Most obese country on the planet...yep you number one there too...
spelling colour and honour incorrectly..yep you number one also......
Soccer...Oh not number one....
ah well you suck , live with it...:headbang: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :upyours: :upyours:

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.
you need to look at a greater variety of threads then.

Hey, I'm British, but I think of the USA as the next best place to live (seeing as I was raised here)...

I listen to american music, eat Mcdonalds, KFC and Burger king (all american), I watch american Sit-Coms, movies and documentaries; and I think that American Theme Parks are the best in the world....

BUT....I also hate the fact that the USA treats us like their lap-dog; and how they see themselves as the police of the world. All I can think of is Team America World Police; those guys hit the nail on the head. The USA is forever making themselves to be the best at EVERYTHING; and they always make the USA/someone from the USA the hero of EVERY film...see my point?

they always make the USA/someone from the USA the hero of EVERY film...see my point?

That's not true, look at Austin Powers.

BUT....I also hate the fact that the USA treats us like their lap-dog; and how they see themselves as the police of the world. All I can think of is Team America World Police; those guys hit the nail on the head. The USA is forever making themselves to be the best at EVERYTHING; and they always make the USA/someone from the USA the hero of EVERY film...see my point?

And every country that is the foremost power in the world will do that in the years to come. Perhaps soon we will all be talking about how we hate the Chinese and their freakin' McChang quarter-kilogram sandwiches. :rolleyes:

nah, Americas fine, spent plenty of time there and i know plenty of Americans and they're fine people. But for whatever reason you guys turn into arrogant bastards the second you cross the border into anywhere lol.
Hey! That's the exact opposite of Argentinians! Outside they're a wonderful bunch, but in Buenos Aires, pufff!

Although people in the interior are always very nice :)

Aye well the US did take over where the UK left off.

As for austin powers.....its a spoof where the hero is a complete joke. No wonder they were happy to make him a brit ;)

I was on the way back from Atlanta once when they showed U591 - with the disclaimer on the end that was never put on the US edition, but had to be put on anywhere in europe. i.e. this movie is nowhere near the truth. The US Navy only got a kreigsmarine enigma 2 years after the brits (which in itself was 2 years after the poles got a 3-rotor enigma) and sorry for pissing off the families of the two royal navy heros who went down with the captured U Boat they had just taken the codebooks from.

I wonder if there are plans in the UK to make a movie where custer is miraculously rescued at the last minute by a column of passing british soldiers?

Aye well the US did take over where the UK left off.

As for austin powers.....its a spoof where the hero is a complete joke. No wonder they were happy to make him a brit ;)

I was on the way back from Atlanta once when they showed U591 - with the disclaimer on the end that was never put on the US edition, but had to be put on anywhere in europe. i.e. this movie is nowhere near the truth. The US Navy only got a kreigsmarine enigma 2 years after the brits (which in itself was 2 years after the poles got a 3-rotor enigma) and sorry for pissing off the families of the two royal navy heros who went down with the captured U Boat they had just taken the codebooks from.

I wonder if there are plans in the UK to make a movie where custer is miraculously rescued at the last minute by a column of passing british soldiers?


Hmm... the James Bond movies were made by MGM (an American movie company), yet the hero is British.

I wasn't exactly being serious.....


;););););););););)

Irony - adj. colloq. Sorta like iron.

Hmm... the James Bond movies were made by MGM (an American movie company), yet the hero is British.

Taken from a British author's series of books.

Try again.

And every country that is the foremost power in the world will do that in the years to come. Perhaps soon we will all be talking about how we hate the Chinese and their freakin' McChang quarter-kilogram sandwiches. :rolleyes:

Hey, the metric system ftw...

so much easier to understand...nice rounded numbers; not random arrays of stupid amounts...

Taken from a British author's series of books.

Try again.

Yes, like the British were just waiting to make a movie out of them...

Anarchy land34']*snip*
Tough titties. It's a free exchange of opinions.

Yes, like the British were just waiting to make a movie out of them...

Nah they were just under the mistaken impression that unless it was produced by an american studio it would not sell in america unless they shoehorned some american in there or set it in america.

Thank goodness that was never necessary with successful british movies like 4 weddings..........oh.

Yes, like the British were just waiting to make a movie out of them...

There are British movie studios, you know...

There are British movie studios, you know...
Yes, and you even have theaters and symphony orchestras.

I'm from Britain and I like America, especially your comedy. I also prefer your President to our PM

adolf hitler was a heroine addict because of Dr. Morell his physician. he didnt control the country joseph goebles did. ok propaganda ran the country hiter was just its poster child. i agree that it worked but, still come on...its hitler we're talking about...

and the pretzel thing....touche. im chucklin a little.
And Bush's Goebbels is Dick Cheney. What's your point?

Thank goodness that was never necessary with successful british movies like 4 weddings..........oh.

Or any of the Monty Python films?
Or Billy Elliot?
Or The Full Monty?
Or Trainspotting?
Or A Hard Day's Night?
Or Bend It Like Beckham?
Or Shaun of the Dead?
Or Kes?
Or My Beautiful Laundrette?
Or The Wicker Man?
Or 28 Days Later?

No? Never mind then.

Yes, and you even have theaters and symphony orchestras.

Nah, we have theatres, mate. :p

Or any of the Monty Python films?
Or Billy Elliot?
Or The Full Monty?
Or Trainspotting?
Or A Hard Day's Night?
Or Bend It Like Beckham?
Or Shaun of the Dead?
Or Kes?
Or My Beautiful Laundrette?
Or The Wicker Man?
Or 28 Days Later?

No? Never mind then.

Spoilsport :P

(although many of em were made with american money, which helped with the distribution)

(p.s. I chuckled at the reports of widespread confusion over there about "Who was Monty?")

Or any of the Monty Python films?
Or Billy Elliot?
Or The Full Monty?
Or Trainspotting?
Or A Hard Day's Night?
Or Bend It Like Beckham?
Or Shaun of the Dead?
Or Kes?
Or My Beautiful Laundrette?
Or The Wicker Man?
Or 28 Days Later?

No? Never mind then.

Or Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels?
Or Howard's End?
Or Brassed Off?
Or Gandhi?
Or A Little Princess?
Or Time Bandits?
Or Brazil?
Or Sliding Doors?
etc.

EDIT, hell, the main studio for Star Wars was British (Elstree), and the vast majority of actors were from the UK.

Damn, I thought they were all set in Chicago ;)

Anarchy land34']..why the hell would you mock someone like that

Because I don't believe you? Because I find every post you've made in this thread to be inane, ignorant drivel?

To the OP:

Are the US-critical posts hurting you in any way? No.
Are they a perfect example of the freedom our media and government is always blathering about? Yes.
Is it possible to enforce freedom or democracy at the end of gun or missile? No.
Can you see, then, why it's just a bit hypocritical for the US to claim any kind of moral superiority? I thought not.

I love my country, but to love someone is to be able to tell them when they're screwing up. If someone you loved were, let's say, an addict, would you stand by and do nothing? If so, what kind of love is that?

Even a good friend will tell you when you're wrong.

But my government doesn't need good friends, apparently, becuse it doesn't seem to ever admit when its wrong.


OFF-TOPIC RANT: Rick Santorum is a complete shill and needs to get stuffed. I'm glad Dan Savage coined his name as "the frothy mixture of shit and lube laft over after anal sex". Twenty-year-old shells with degraded and non-functional mustard gas in them ARE NOT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, and even if you disagree there, THEY ARE NOT THE WEAPONS WITH WHICH THE IRAQ INVASION WAS PREDICATED. They weren't being developed, they were being ignored and disintegrating. This kind of disingenuous only-for-politics-and-reelection crap that gets the rest of the world pissed at us.

Do yourself a favor, OP and read something. I suggest Chalmers Johnson's fine look at US foreign policy, a book called Blowback. I suggest it, knowing full well you won't read it, but that's my good ol' American optimism shining through.

Hey! That's the exact opposite of Argentinians! Outside they're a wonderful bunch, but in Buenos Aires, pufff!


Try meeting them in Florianopolis then, you'll change your mind pretty quickly. It is not just in BA.

Try meeting them in Florianopolis then, you'll change your mind pretty quickly. It is not just in BA.
Maybe they think of Florianopolis as part of Bs.As.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.


That post contains within itself the explaination as to why Americans are treated with such visible disdain in Europe.

The arrogance required to make statements like that is quite breathtaking.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

I'm European and I've always li...no...wait...I can't do it...must...gnaaah... Screw you yank! Screw you to the highest degree of screwyouness. :upyours:

I'm not anti-American in the least! I love our friends to the south! :D :fluffle:

The DEEEEEEEEEP South.:p

Anarchy land34']
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

You did it to the Birtish when they were a superpower.
Everybody hates the superpower.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.
For the love of god before you are going to spout off as an “American” please learn how to articulate your thoughts … it makes my head hurt reading it as well as making me embarrassed for you and our educational system.

I mean if you are like me and have trouble with spelling or other grammar specifics, do like I do and type everything in word to make sure it is correct. Putting forth the effort can compensate for other deficiencies.

Bleurgeheyianshiatedpe,
Indeed. Unless the superpower starts re-education programmes!

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.


Get used to it, newbie. Also, please learn to type and spell correctly. Et cetera is abbreviated etc., not ect. *shakes head*

<snip>

There are good pepole even in the US.;)

:fluffle:

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

US no. 1?

* The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).

* The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

* "The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).

* Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* "The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).

* "Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).

* Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).

* Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).

* The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80).

* "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80).

* Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)

* "U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.

* Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).

* The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

* Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

* The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).

* "Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.

* "Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).

* "Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies...are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).

* The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).

* U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).

* Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).

* Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.

* Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.

* One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).

* "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).

* "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).

* Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).

* "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).

* "The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the [Bush] administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

source (http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1264/article12985.asp)

Other than that? Yes I agree. personally, groundless attacks on any country serve no purpose. But please, arrogance gets you nowhere.

America is great.....But with every great nation comes mistakes. Learning from those mistakes makes a nation better. Even though the god *** goverment wont listen to the American Citizens while they keep saying "clean up are act and get out" I hate the American Goverment and Im American!

America is great.....But with every great nation comes mistakes. Learning from those mistakes makes a nation better. Even though the god *** goverment wont listen to the American Citizens while they keep saying "clean up are act and get out" I hate the American Goverment and Im American!

Learning from mistakes, you mean when Bush got re-elected?

Hmm... is America actually number one at anything at all?

Hmm... is America actually number one at anything at all?
Special effects for motion pictures, American football (because who else cares?), and high-speed pizza delivery.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

i hate my boss cause he is rich and going to puerto rico on my sweat..i suspect it is no different...save asshole bush's idiotic policies.

Special effects for motion pictures, American football (because who else cares?), and high-speed pizza delivery.

Reality shows so dumb they'll actually rot your brain too. I'm an American and I hate that crap. :upyours:

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.


yea...we suck...enough said...!

we rebuilt europe,japan...shit we helped russia after the cold war...but alas..we are horrible...i should go out back and shoot myself with my legally owned firearm..lol....so the socialist utopia can follow,
we are blocking that you know...

Maybe I'm just not very "patriotic", but I really don't care if so many people despise Americans. I didn't realize we were in a popularity contest. What is it with our desire to be liked by everyone?

The fact of the matter is people are going to disapprove of our overall image. People are going to frown upon us and generally decide that Americans are a thorn in their big toe. Does it hurt your little feelers that much? Grow some skin.

Everybody has a right to their own opinion and I don't think we need to get all misty-eyed or riled up over it. Let them vent and, if you are an American that crosses paths with someone from another place, try not to present them with the image that they are predispositioned to.

spelling colour and honour incorrectly..yep you number one also......
*snip*ah well you suck , live with it...:headbang: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :upyours: :upyours:

Wow, I don't think I've ever met a n00b like you, and that's saying something with my queen-of-teh-n00bz sister saying all that to me.

The reason Americans spell it "color" and "honor" is DIALECT and SPELLING. It is U.S. English. Just because somebody has a different DIALECT than you does not necessarily mean they are incorrect, it is DIFFERENT SPELLINGS.

And telling us that we suck and to live with it is not very tactful, let alone remotely intelligent. And, please, not so many sniper and upyours smilies. That just overplays your n00bishness.

I do like the British, I really do. I lived there as a little kid and I made a lot of friends. You just happen to be one of the very few British people that I don't/didn't like.

A wise man once said "To be praised by fools is the greatest shame." I would much rather be despised by fools than praised by them.

Learning from mistakes, you mean when Bush got re-elected?
Oh shut it, both parties suck. At least this way we got someone who only screws up when it profits him. Kerry was a fate worse then glassing. Despite my HATRED for alot of the man's policy, I'd re-elect Bush to keep Hillary out of office. (I realize I can't do that because A. he can't serve another term and B. I come of voting age 1 month after the elections...) Did I mention that the entire election system is owned by the electoral college? The popular vote is only there to keep us cattle satisfied. :(

You know the legal minimum holidays in a job in the EU is 20 days plus bank holidays in Germany it's 24 working days plus 13 public holidays. That's over 7 weeks, so in effect you get paid for working a year but you only do about 10 months. You can get a few sick days in there and take a few unpaid. Usually you get paid a bonus week or months pay at Christmas too.

How do you stay sane in a job that only gives you 10 days a year off?

You know the legal minimum holidays in a job in the EU is 20 days plus bank holidays in Germany it's 24 working days plus 13 public holidays. That's over 7 weeks, so in effect you get paid for working a year but you only do about 10 months. You can get a few sick days in there and take a few unpaid. Usually you get paid a bonus week or months pay at Christmas too.

How do you stay sane in a job that only gives you 10 days a year off?


this is the guy that claims only 2500 people died during the civil war in the area formaly known as YUGOSLAVYIA . Sorry I a am an EMO ...wtf..i have no idea what an emo is but...this moron claims ....only 2500 or more died during thr civil war that involved Yugoslavia...etc....


Why is the world screwed ?

Because of morons like the guy thaT ACTUALY had the stones that the genocied in Kosovo etc...only included 2500 ...ONLY .... use your own judgement...I am done .

Oh shut it, both parties suck. At least this way we got someone who only screws up when it profits him. Kerry was a fate worse then glassing. Despite my HATRED for alot of the man's policy, I'd re-elect Bush to keep Hillary out of office. (I realize I can't do that because A. he can't serve another term and B. I come of voting age 1 month after the elections...) Did I mention that the entire election system is owned by the electoral college? The popular vote is only there to keep us cattle satisfied. :(

Dude, any rational review of the facts would indicate that in order to do worse than Bush would take a talent and dedication that Kerry and Hillary both lack. You can live in your fantasy land all you want by convincing yourself that the alternative to one of the worst Presidents we've ever had would have been worse because it's just conjecture. There's no alternate universe to pop into to prove to you how wrong you are. I've lived through Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and now Bush II, and I can assure you that the level of just plain incompetence (forget ideology,) is not even close. I'd jump for joy if either Reagan or GHW Bush were President instead, because even though I don't agree with their politics, they at least had a spark of ability and responsibility.

Dude, any rational review of the facts would indicate that in order to do worse than Bush would take a talent and dedication that Kerry and Hillary both lack. You can live in your fantasy land all you want by convincing yourself that the alternative to one of the worst Presidents we've ever had would have been worse because it's just conjecture. There's no alternate universe to pop into to prove to you how wrong you are. I've lived through Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and now Bush II, and I can assure you that the level of just plain incompetence (forget ideology,) is not even close. I'd jump for joy if either Reagan or GHW Bush were President instead, because even though I don't agree with their politics, they at least had a spark of ability and responsibility.

America causes evil in the world due to its capitalism and morality. I hate fundies and republicans.

Dude, any rational review of the facts would indicate that in order to do worse than Bush would take a talent and dedication that Kerry and Hillary both lack. You can live in your fantasy land all you want by convincing yourself that the alternative to one of the worst Presidents we've ever had would have been worse because it's just conjecture. There's no alternate universe to pop into to prove to you how wrong you are. I've lived through Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and now Bush II, and I can assure you that the level of just plain incompetence (forget ideology,) is not even close. I'd jump for joy if either Reagan or GHW Bush were President instead, because even though I don't agree with their politics, they at least had a spark of ability and responsibility.
Well that is your opinion. I lived through Clinton, that presidency set me against the democrats for life.

Well that is your opinion. I lived through Clinton, that presidency set me against the democrats for life.

Peace and prosperity suck that much, huh?

Dude, any rational review of the facts would indicate that in order to do worse than Bush would take a talent and dedication that Kerry and Hillary both lack. You can live in your fantasy land all you want by convincing yourself that the alternative to one of the worst Presidents we've ever had would have been worse because it's just conjecture. There's no alternate universe to pop into to prove to you how wrong you are. I've lived through Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and now Bush II, and I can assure you that the level of just plain incompetence (forget ideology,) is not even close. I'd jump for joy if either Reagan or GHW Bush were President instead, because even though I don't agree with their politics, they at least had a spark of ability and responsibility.

I must be about the same age (or older) as Gymoor Prime. Jimmy Carter was the first president I voted for. The McGovern-Nixon race was the first election I was aware of and cared about.

As someone who is now a teacher of history and who has lived through nine different presidents, there is no doubt in my mind that George W. Bush is the worse president this country has ever had (beating out even Warren G. Harding and James Buchanan). His lack of even a basic understanding of world events is matched only by his dangerous incompetence. And that is only exceeded by his perplexing lack of curiosity.

The man has had everything handed to him through family connections and even then has failed at everything he has touched.

There are plenty of strong, talented people in the Republican Party. It baffles me why the GOP faithful continue to support a man who has even betrayed the fundamental principle of conservatism.

I dont hate Americans at all, i do hate arrogant Americans though jsut as much as arrogant Frenchies.Its just a shame that people base a whole nation on a few idiots.

My fellow Americans, if everywhere you turn, citizens of other nations are critical of America's foreign policy, doesn't it seem the height of illogic and arrogance to think the problem lies with them?

Patriotism is fine. Blind patriotism is not, and is, in fact, not patriotism at all. There are serious problems which we, as Americans, cannot stand for.

yea...we suck...enough said...!

we rebuilt europe,japan...shit we helped russia after the cold war...but alas..we are horrible...i should go out back and shoot myself with my legally owned firearm..lol....so the socialist utopia can follow,
we are blocking that you know...

Yes, if America disappeared, the whole world would be marching around in Mao dresses singing The Internationale, what a horror:rolleyes:

We appreciate off course your Marshall help, it helped Europe a lot (at least Norway) but it was not entirely out of good will you gave it, it was more because you feared the spread of communism in Europe if you didn't give it.

And anyways, if we wanted to talk about past deeds, we could mention several dictators you helped gain power (like Pinochet), but the past is hardly relevant to the dislike for USA and it's world politics today.

You do realise that insulting the president of the United States is not necessarily equivalent to insulting the nation herself?

Or are you a puppet of The UN Abassadorship?
I think its the other way around, because Anarchy Land has higher pop.

Anyway, I don't hate all americans. just those retards from the bible belt.

this is the guy that claims only 2500 people died during the civil war in the area formaly known as YUGOSLAVYIA . Sorry I a am an EMO ...wtf..i have no idea what an emo is but...this moron claims ....only 2500 or more died during thr civil war that involved Yugoslavia...etc....


Why is the world screwed ?

Because of morons like the guy thaT ACTUALY had the stones that the genocied in Kosovo etc...only included 2500 ...ONLY .... use your own judgement...I am done .



k.....

So, we now have the situation wherein only the perfect are empowered to criticise. :rolleyes:

You know the legal minimum holidays in a job in the EU is 20 days plus bank holidays in Germany it's 24 working days plus 13 public holidays. That's over 7 weeks, so in effect you get paid for working a year but you only do about 10 months. You can get a few sick days in there and take a few unpaid. Usually you get paid a bonus week or months pay at Christmas too.

How do you stay sane in a job that only gives you 10 days a year off?

Because we instead choose to work harder and longer as a society. Being the Worlds largest superpower is an expensive undertaking.

Because we instead choose to work harder and longer as a society. Being the Worlds largest superpower is an expensive undertaking.

Pfft. Work to live, not live to work.

I'm from Canada, and I have no problem at all with the United States, nor do I have a problem with United Kingdom or any other country in the western world. I also don't have a problem with your respective heads of government.

I like my Prime Minister, I also like Britain's PM as well as the US President. I believe they may have made some mistakes, but who hasn't. I think as world leaders, they've worked well overall to help make the world a safer place.


P.S. Rangerville, you said you're from Ontario. Which part? I'm from Newfounland.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

Take it from where it comes- you're not really troubled by the invalid opinions of pompous,arrogant trash, are you?

Lashing out anonymously in here is their best effort. Thats all they've got.

US no. 1?

* The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).

* The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

* "The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).

* Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* "The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).

* "Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).

* Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).

* Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).

* The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80).

* "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80).

* Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)

* "U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.

* Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).

* The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

* Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

* The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).

* "Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.

* "Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).

* "Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies...are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).

* The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).

* U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).

* Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).

* Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.

* Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.

* One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).

* "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).

* "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).

* Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).

* "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).

* "The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the [Bush] administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

source (http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1264/article12985.asp)

Other than that? Yes I agree. personally, groundless attacks on any country serve no purpose. But please, arrogance gets you nowhere.


Wow...taking all of this well researched and accurate data, I can understand why the rest of the world doesnt like us.

Even if this is all true-the US is still the place people want to be or want to be like.

That would explain so much of the arrogance and bitterness towards Amercia in here- We're so terrible, yet still so much better off than every one else. :rolleyes:

Because we instead choose to work harder and longer as a society. Being the Worlds largest superpower is an expensive undertaking.

It is when you spend billions in Iraq.

yet still so much better off than every one else. :rolleyes:
Ya really think so?

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yet still so much better off than every one else. :rolleyes:

bwahahahaha....i nearly fell of my chair laughing at that weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Americans dont have it better, its just the same as every other western country in terms of good/bad points.

Anarchy land34']
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.

Our prime minister does suck arse. He can't do anything without the help of bush. He is bush's puppet. That's why he sucks arse. Because he does everything Bush tells him to do.

Anarchy land34']just because were #1 in everything(well almost)

You most certainly are nowhere near being "#1". No one likes the Americans. You only have one ally and they don't even like you. You Americans don't even like each other. The only reason we are your ally is because Blair is a stupid git. (See above) Britain had one of the greatest empires in history and you think you're "#1"? Britain could easily take you over, but why would we want you? That's like bringing back the plague.

Anarchy land34']...doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread.

Americans have balls?

Don't compare the British with Canadians. No one likes Canadians.

Wow...taking all of this well researched and accurate data, I can understand why the rest of the world doesnt like us.It's not so much how you treat eachother, as it is how you treat forigners.Even if this is all true-the US is still the place people want to be or want to be like.No thank you. The only thing you have to offer, is the beautiful & diverse nature. I'd rather have my leg broken than have anything to do with your society.That would explain so much of the arrogance and bitterness towards Amercia in here- We're so terrible, yet still so much better off than every one else. :rolleyes:Better off? Seems to me your peoples are worse off than in most other modern countries. I'm resentful of your forign policy & I don't understand why you want to live in the kind of society you've created for yourselves, but I absolutely do not envy you or think you're better off. On the contrary.

Does it bother you much, that the rest of the world isn't jealous, and doesn't want to emulate you?

The only thing you have to offer, is the beautiful & diverse nature.
The wonderous panorama of oil rigs...

Hehehehe...did you notice the ad they show now sometimes in the bar at the top?

"Make your dreams come true. Apply for a Green Card!"

Hehehehe...did you notice the ad they show now sometimes in the bar at the top?

"Make your dreams come true. Apply for a Green Card!"
Nope, and what is a green card?

Nope, and what is a green card?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Permanent_Resident_Card

Haven't seen it, but now that I know what it is, it seems rather humourously ironic.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

I want to know what you think is the "best" at everything. Like in the World Cup: you guys were ranked 5th, and now you're out beat by Ghana.
Also, I just don't like how Americans think the world revolves around America. For example, I work in Canada in a town that gets a lot of American tourists. I rang something through the till for a man and told him it was $9.49 and he asked me "what's that in real money?" and i replied "well that's $9.49 sir" and he said "no REAL money, American money..." "well sir this is canada, so the canadian currency would be the real money, but if you're wondering about what that is with the exchange rate, i'm sure i can figure it out."

I still wonder why we bothered saving the world from communism and Hitler and Japan .

Its not like anyone cares . They are all back to the usual crap that gets them killed in the long and short run .

from those that wish communism would PLEASE come back to those that see the US as the War mongering country of the devil and the big threat to world peace.

Why do we bother ..aside from our own national interest?

We should at least take every soldier stationed in Europe and bring them home..let them...the European continent ... shoulder the burden of their past sins and clean up their own mess and defend themselves. spend some money on defense..we get NOTHING but bullshit from them anyway .

Its about time they grew some hair and took over the burden of their own defense .

The Democrats should make it a point to bring home all our soldiers from Europe and close every base. Let them kill each other they are good at it ...when they are not crying about the US .

I'm American. I think our President is the worst leader in the history of the world. That includes Hitler.


^^^^^WOW i read that and i just have to say something..


first of all, you think bush is the worst leader in the world. Your obviously right, because the genocide occuring in america right now is just horrible. the UN should really intervene. and bush keeps ordering the sensless killing of innocent americans in gas chambers. Bush has obviously stockpiled huge masses of gas and other WMD's and has launched them agains americans.


yeah you think he's worse than hiter. your sickening. i would like to say that you are not an american. adolf hitler killed MILLIONS of innocent people. george bush deposed a cruel dictator. Adolf hitler invaded neutral nations only for territorial gain. George bush invaded iraq because EVERY OTHER SENSIBLE WORLD POWER SAID IRAQ HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. if you think george bush is worse than hiter you do not even deserve to call yourself an american. George bush has fucked up alot of times. but you shoudl really stop short of saying he is no better than a crazed muderer who thrives off the blood of his own innocent countrymen.

You don't have to be a genocidal maniac to be the worst leader in history. And if we're going to compare Hitler and Bush...

1. Patriotism
Hitler: Used nationalism as a tool and gained a fanatical following, drowning out all anti-Nazi cries.
Bush: Used nationalism as a tool and divided the nation between oft moronic simple minded boors, military hardliners and religious schemers vs ridiculed hippies, geeky scientists and nitpicking law activists.

2. Military Record
Hitler: Fought in WWI and won a medal or two, was a respectable soldier compared to what he'd later become.
Bush: Never was a respectable soldier. Got the privilege of being stationed in a national guard, yet his the indicators of his record that did not magically disappear or get altered still don't potray him as grateful to be privileged. Plenty of rumours of being absent most of the time, and even smoking pot and drinking.

3. Family Values
Hitler: Introduced Mother's Day. Encouraged these values when not going on about just how evil jews are.
Bush: Has questionable people like Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh preaching these values for him. Neither of them seem bothered with behaving totally immoral and jerkish outside the family. Bush seems to respect this kind of imbicile hypocricy.

4. Discrimination
Hitler: Hated Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, Homosexuals, the disabled and handicapped. Used the SS, Gestapo and even Wehrmacht to carry out gross violations of these people's rights as human beings.
Bush: Since 9-11 national security has been particularly suspicious of Muslims and Arabs. Gross violations of Geneva treaties in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, and black prisons scathered over east Europe. Has shown an appalling disinterest in these cases.

5. Wars of Aggressions
Hitler: Attacked Poland based on lies. Broke a non-aggression treaty with Soviet Union. Ganged up on several Balkan countries in support of Mussolini. Declared war on the USA. Violated the neutrality of over five European countries.
Bush: Invaded Afghanistan, morally defensible but not legally. Attacked Iraq based on lies. Conflicts looming with North Korea and Iran. Has funded warlords and promoted fighting in Afghanistan, Somalia and Ethiopia. Caused a stereotype that many Arabs or Muslims are fundamental terrorists.

6. Foreign Policy
Hitler: Completely geared towards uniting all germans into one country. Didn't care much for word exchanges. Usually played people off against eachother in the Baltic and Balkan countries, tried to gang up with nations against a common enemy. Was otherwise promoting symbolic unions between 'brother people' or breaching neutrality.
Bush: Perpetuates a harsh policy against Cuba. Uses subtle threats or bribery to get European minors in line with his own plans. Managed to alienate every traditional ally of the USA. Thinks he can decide what's best for countries completely different than his own. Goes soft on countries that have WMDs, picks on those that don't have 'em. Recently locked horns with Venezuela merely over very common anti-Bush sentiment.

Just a few examples from issues that seem to interest the neocons and Bush supporters so much. They both have loathsome qualities, Hitler just was able to show his darkside a lot more freely since he ruled a dictatorship. IMO, Bush would have had to potential to be just as bad as Hitler if he wasn't running a stable democracy.

people always hate those superior to them

people always hate those superior to them

And societies in decline always think they are superior. I am an American, and I hate the direction my country is going. We don't value our workers, we don't value our allies and we don't listen.

I still wonder why we bothered saving the world from communism and Hitler and Japan .

Because Germany and Japan declared war on you. And FDR didn't take shit from them.

And because a communist Europe wasn't a market to which to export American goods. And it would bring war closer to the US.

None of these would have kept to themselves. If allowed to survive they would have struck back.

And simply: why would a democratic Japan, a free Europe and the removal of the threat of apocalyptic war not be good outcomes? It was worth the sacrifies made in self-defence.

yea...we suck...enough said...!

we rebuilt europe,japan...shit we helped russia after the cold war...but alas..we are horrible...i should go out back and shoot myself with my legally owned firearm..lol....so the socialist utopia can follow,
we are blocking that you know...

Past glories did not save Rome. The U.S. used to lead when it came to honor, human rights, and having a vigorous middle class. Now 2 incomes barely equal the one of yesteryear and our leaders tarnish our honor in the name of security.

Our past is great, but that does not mean we should stop building our future.

You should have lied and made yourself a big tip for yourself.



We should at least take every soldier stationed in Europe and bring them home..let them...the European continent ... shoulder the burden of their past sins and clean up their own mess and defend themselves. spend some money on defense..we get NOTHING but bullshit from them anyway .

Its about time they grew some hair and took over the burden of their own defense .

Actually, it was you americans who asked that american bases be stationed in europe.

I am American. I am not insulted by negative evaluations given by other nationalities. America has admittedly made a lot of mistakes. I think American has broad enough shoulders to accept criticism. An unwillingness to listen to criticism is a sign of immaturity and pig-headeness. I think we can listen. I think we know the difference between honest criticism and pointless antagonism. My fellow Americans.....shut up and listen. If you can't take it, there is always the ignore feature. Further I advise, if you can't take people criticizing American, don't start threads with that as the topic. LOL.

And societies in decline always think they are superior. I am an American, and I hate the direction my country is going. We don't value our workers, we don't value our allies and we don't listen.

You value us Brits, right?

I like the United States. Most of my good friends are American, i have been there numerous times and had a great time. That being said, the insults work both ways. I have seen plenty of Americans insult other countries because they think theirs is the greatest on earth and they believe that warrants hatred of everyone else. Do you think i haven't heard people insult Canada before?

Point well made, Ranger. ^5

George bush invaded iraq because EVERY OTHER SENSIBLE WORLD POWER SAID IRAQ HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

The only country that said Iraq had weapons was america and america is most certainly NOT sensible. BUSH LIED TO YOU ALL! And you belevied him?!? How dafted are you? The oil companies "bought" bush into the whitehouse and he promised that he would get the oil from iraq in return. BinLaden bombs our capital and crashes planes into your towers and bush starts a war with saddam. A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON. He used the attacks as a reason to go to war to GET OIL. Bush is a lier who has cost THOUSANDS OF LIVES in his quest to steal Iraq's oil. Bush is a power hungry idiot who is willing to throw away thousands of lives for more power. NO OTHER COUNTRIES SAID IRAQ HAD WEAPONS! WHY DO YOU THINK FRANCE AND CANADA DIDN'T HELP YOU IN THE WAR? IF IRAQ HAD HAD WEAPONS, THE UN WOULD HAVE HELPED. THE UN DID NOT HELP BECAUSE THERE WERE NO WEAPONS! THE ONLY REASON THE BRITISH HELPED YOU IS BECAUSE HE IS COMPLETELY DAFT AND IS BUSH'S PUPPET! And you Americans have the nerve to complain because no one would help you steal oil. And what's with freedom fries? You change the name in protest of the french because they have half-way decent morals and won't steal oil? I am British. The British hate the french. They always have. But in this case, I have to side with the french.

Anarchy, I think you'll find most other countries don't hate us, but rather our government. It is frustrating to get bashed, but it's also frustrating to other places when we seem (to them) to run rampant over the world. That's why I like places like this one. We can talk, and find out all Americans aren't nasty, and not everyone in the world hates us.

I am sure many muslims share this frustration. Perhaps especially American muslims who find themselves suddenly suspect wherever they go. The key is to get to know us/them. Gross generalizations are the idiot's course. American certainly has her share of idiots. How they make it to the oval office is what is interesting....

Anarchy land34']just because were #1 in everything(well almost)

USA Ranking on Adult Literacy Scale: #9
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- OECD

USA Ranking on Healthcare Quality Index: #37
(#1 France and #2 Italy)- World Health Organization 2003

USA Ranking of Student Reading Ability: #12
(#1 Finland and #2 South Korea)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Problem Solving Ability: #26
(#1 South Korea and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Student Mathematics Ability: # 24
(#1 Hong Kong and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Science Ability: #19
(#1 Finland and #2 Japan)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Women's Rights Scale: #17
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- World Economic Forum Report

USA Position on Timeline of Gay Rights Progress: # 6 (1997)
(#1 Sweden 1987 and #2 Norway 1993)- Vexen

USA Ranking on Life Expectancy: #29
(#1 Japan and #2 Hong Kong)- UN Human Development Report 2005

USA Ranking on Journalistic Press Freedom Index: #32
(#1 Finland, Iceland, Norway and the Netherlands tied)- Reporters Without Borders 2005

USA Ranking on Political Corruption Index: #17
(#1 Iceland and #2 Finland)- Transparency International 2005

USA Ranking on Quality of Life Survey: #13
(#1 Ireland and #2 Switzerland)- The Economist Magazine ...Wikipedia "Celtic Tiger" if you still have your doubts.

USA Ranking on Environmental Sustainability Index: #45
(#1 Finland and #2 Norway)- Yale University ESI 2005

USA Ranking on Overall Currency Strength: #3 (US Dollar)
(#1 UK pound sterling and #2 European Union euro)- FTSE 2006....the dollar is now a liability, so many banks worldwide have planned to switch to euro

USA Ranking on Infant Mortality Rate: #32
(#1 Sweden and #2 Finland)- Save the Children Report 2006

USA Ranking on Human Development Index (GDP, education, etc.): #10
(#1 Norway and #2 Iceland)- UN Human Development Report 2005


Iam American to, so I got the right to insult our own country :P

Come on, can anyone really hate Canada? It's like hating puppies. It just doesn't happen.

I agree. The more I learn about Canada, the more I want to move there. If ya'll could just do something about those winter temperatures. I really hate being cold.

You value us Brits, right?

Me, personally? I'm a big fan of British humor and am easily seduced by a british accent. As far as your cooking goes...not so much.

:D

Me, personally? I'm a big fan of British humor and am easily seduced by a british accent. As far as your cooking goes...not so much.

:D

Steak and kidney pudding, the English fry up, treacle tart, plum duff.....:)

Does it bother you much, that the rest of the world isn't jealous, and doesn't want to emulate you?


Please- You are yourself. Tell your little story to all the folks paying for American movies and buying used American jeans. Drinking Coke, smoking Marlboros and all the thousands of other examples.

You'll spout we're inferior and ignorant, but you wake up every day wishing you were American.

It doesnt bother me in the slightest. I'd prefer we got less attention.

Me, personally? I'm a big fan of British humor and am easily seduced by a british accent. As far as your cooking goes...not so much.

:D

There's no such thing as a British or English accent. That's just how English sounds when it's being pronounced properly.

{George Bush}was a {cocaine} addict because of Dr. {Dre} his physician. he didnt control the country {Dick Cheney} did. ok propaganda ran the country {Bush} was just its poster child. i agree that it worked but, still come on...its {Bush} we're talking about...

and the pretzel thing....touche. im chucklin a little.

Just a friendly little edit....lol

Our prime minister does suck arse. He can't do anything without the help of bush. He is bush's puppet. That's why he sucks arse. Because he does everything Bush tells him to do.



You most certainly are nowhere near being "#1". No one likes the Americans. You only have one ally and they don't even like you. You Americans don't even like each other. The only reason we are your ally is because Blair is a stupid git. (See above) Britain had one of the greatest empires in history and you think you're "#1"? Britain could easily take you over, but why would we want you? That's like bringing back the plague.



Americans have balls?

Don't compare the British with Canadians. No one likes Canadians.

Blair and most of his predecessors seem to have liked us, No?

Britain "had" one of the greatest empires. Yes.

Take over the U.S. ? Better lay off that pipe.

I agree. The more I learn about Canada, the more I want to move there. If ya'll could just do something about those winter temperatures. I really hate being cold.

Nah, I like being cold. In hot weather, I just die. Since I'm planning on getting a medicine degree at the time there's too many medicine graduates in the UK and the NHS is sacking doctors so the government can bring in another team of private sector consultant administrators and managers, Canada gets my vote, eh?

HELL YES! chuck norris would round house kick the fluffle in the face...then have bob saget come and finish the job.

Speaking of Bob Sagat, you gotta see this:

http://www.tourettesguy.com/videos/bobsaget/

I had seen this before, just watched it again and laughed until I cried.

ROFLMAO

The only country that said Iraq had weapons was america and america is most certainly NOT sensible.

You are completly incorrect. Every single modern intelligence agency on the planet all agreed that WMDs existed. British Israeli German italian and the list goes on and on. Type all the capitol letters you want buit your central premise to your rant is completly false.

I agree. The more I learn about Canada, the more I want to move there. If ya'll could just do something about those winter temperatures. I really hate being cold.
Winter stops the mosquitoes from biting. I'll choose relief from pesky insects over green winters any day.

You are completly incorrect. Every single modern intelligence agency on the planet all agreed that WMDs existed. British Israeli German italian and the list goes on and on. Type all the capitol letters you want buit your central premise to your rant is completly false.

No, you're BOTH incorrect. Many countries suspected Saddam might have WMD, but ONLY the US and Britain thought the evidence was strong enough to invade over.

Suspicion is not certainty.

Winter stops the mosquitoes from biting. I'll choose relief from pesky insects over green winters any day.
Probably why you don't like global warming. It means more mosquitos and less ice fishing.

[QUOTE=ImperiumVictorious]USA Ranking on Adult Literacy Scale: #9
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- OECD

USA Ranking on Healthcare Quality Index: #37
(#1 France and #2 Italy)- World Health Organization 2003

USA Ranking of Student Reading Ability: #12
(#1 Finland and #2 South Korea)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Problem Solving Ability: #26
(#1 South Korea and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Student Mathematics Ability: # 24
(#1 Hong Kong and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Science Ability: #19
(#1 Finland and #2 Japan)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Women's Rights Scale: #17
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- World Economic Forum Report

USA Position on Timeline of Gay Rights Progress: # 6 (1997)
(#1 Sweden 1987 and #2 Norway 1993)- Vexen

USA Ranking on Life Expectancy: #29
(#1 Japan and #2 Hong Kong)- UN Human Development Report 2005

USA Ranking on Journalistic Press Freedom Index: #32
(#1 Finland, Iceland, Norway and the Netherlands tied)- Reporters Without Borders 2005

USA Ranking on Political Corruption Index: #17
(#1 Iceland and #2 Finland)- Transparency International 2005

USA Ranking on Quality of Life Survey: #13
(#1 Ireland and #2 Switzerland)- The Economist Magazine ...Wikipedia "Celtic Tiger" if you still have your doubts.

USA Ranking on Environmental Sustainability Index: #45
(#1 Finland and #2 Norway)- Yale University ESI 2005

USA Ranking on Overall Currency Strength: #3 (US Dollar)
(#1 UK pound sterling and #2 European Union euro)- FTSE 2006....the dollar is now a liability, so many banks worldwide have planned to switch to euro

USA Ranking on Infant Mortality Rate: #32
(#1 Sweden and #2 Finland)- Save the Children Report 2006

USA Ranking on Human Development Index (GDP, education, etc.): #10
(#1 Norway and #2 Iceland)- UN Human Development Report 2005


All thats nonsence. USA Ranking on:Longest Line for people waiting to get in. #1 Quote all the stats you want about what is so great where..People vote with thier feet if you ask me.

look idiot(the guy who made this thread)we're #1.everybody knows that.but we uck at being #1! instead of solving REAL problems,we make imaginary weapons of mas destruction and say they're in Iraq,we eat like pig(for the most part),and we cant do shit to even deterr crim.Also in our schools we teach the theory of evolution which,although a plausable theory,cannot be the way we got here.b4 you go runnin ur mouth about how they're just jealous you better check yourself because they don't envy us for being #1.they despise us because we have so much and do soooooo little.

All thats nonsence. USA Ranking on:Longest Line for people waiting to get in. #1 Quote all the stats you want about what is so great where..People vote with thier feet if you ask me.

People going there does not equal quality, unless you think McDonalds is the best food on Earth.

People going there does not equal quality, unless you think McDonalds is the best food on Earth.
Well, Saddam can't do a hunger strike because he loves Doritos.

just because were #1 in everything(well almost)

That is indeed the reason most people find America to be annoying... though not in the context that you meant it.

I only really dislike American Foreign policy and a large minority of American tourists who often prove to be very ignorant when abroad.

People going there does not equal quality, unless you think McDonalds is the best food on Earth.

Lets see i could blow this statement apart in about 20 different ways but lets go with this small handful. #1 McDonalds symbolizes Americas efficiencies. In poor countries meal preperation can take up a significant portion of a persons day/income. America has the blessed ability to feed itself cheaply quickly and efficiently if it so desires. Yet because its a country of vast vast choices and options, America can also to settle down to a nice leisurly and expensive meal of exotic foods and eating in atmospheres that people in some other countries cant match without a passport. It is one of the rare countries that has a sample of just about everything that exists on the planet in terms of culture mixes etc. So to somehow try to boil America down to McDonalds is simply displaying ignorance of the greater picture.

Lets see i could blow this statement apart in about 20 different ways but lets go with this small handful. #1 McDonalds symbolizes Americas efficiencies.

Also America's concentration on bottom line over quality and profit over health/

In poor countries meal preperation can take up a significant portion of a persons day/income.

Or they grow their own food


America has the blessed ability to feed itself cheaply quickly and efficiently if it so desires.

They also put more garbage in their mouth, which is one of the reasons our longevity lags behind other countries.


Yet because its a country of vast vast choices and options, America can also to settle down to a nice leisurly and expensive meal of exotic foods and eating in atmospheres that people in some other countries cant match without a passport.

Have you actually been out of the country?

It is one of the rare countries that has a sample of just about everything that exists on the planet in terms of culture mixes etc. So to somehow try to boil America down to McDonalds is simply displaying ignorance of the greater picture.

I didn't boil America down to McDonalds. I used McDonalds as a metophore to prove that popularity does not equal quality. The most popular movies are rarely the best. The most popular TV shows are usually crap. The most popular music is bubble gum pablum. Please try to pay attention.

And the only thing you blew away was a few of your brain cells.

Also America's concentration on bottom line over quality and profit over health/

There isnt a single American that is forced to eat anything. Its choices are mind numbingly vast and include every kind of diet ,healthy unhealthy and anything and everything in between. That power of choice is what makes the line so long to get in.

Or they grow their own food

Which exactly reinforces my point that they spend larger % of time energy and effort into food consumption/production.



They also put more garbage in their mouth, which is one of the reasons our longevity lags behind other countries.

Again a matter of personal choice. A cherished right in America. Again something that makes the line longer to get in.



Have you actually been out of the country?

4 Continents and have a degree in Political Science



I didn't boil America down to McDonalds. I used McDonalds as a metophore to prove that popularity does not equal quality. The most popular movies are rarely the best. The most popular TV shows are usually crap. The most popular music is bubble gum pablum. Please try to pay attention.

And the only thing you blew away was a few of your brain cells.

The reason people are coming to the US in DROVES is because they have choice and freedom and economic and educational opportunity that is virtually unsuprassed anywhere else on the planet. If this wasnt the case, everyone would go to where the opportunities were better, the choices greater, the healthcare better, the social services better and on and on and on.

The reason people are coming to the US in DROVES is because they have choice and freedom and economic and educational opportunity that is virtually unsuprassed anywhere else on the planet. If this wasnt the case, everyone would go to where the opportunities were better, the choices greater, the healthcare better, the social services better and on and on and on.

So, America is 'free-er' than, say, Britain? Unsurpassed you say?

Fair enough there's a lot of bad things about Britain and Britons, but...

Anarchy land34']
...just because were #1 in everything(well almost)...

THAT kind of condescending attitude is why people keep giving American (and Americans) shit - because you think you're better than everyone else and that you're always right. All you have to do is look at some posts from Americans on here (such as some posts in reponse to the stupid crap your President said about the Guantanamo Bay suicides) to see what I mean.

There isnt a single American that is forced to eat anything. Its choices are mind numbingly vast and include every kind of diet ,healthy unhealthy and anything and everything in between. That power of choice is what makes the line so long to get in.

And yet, undeniably, something is broken, as Americans get fatter and less healthy. We're not forced to eat anything, but if we want fast food or processed food (you easy and efficient food,) we are basically forces to eat additives that man simply was not designed to eat.

Which exactly reinforces my point that they spend larger % of time energy and effort into food consumption/production.

We've been taught that convenience is more important than quality.

Again a matter of personal choice. A cherished right in America. Again something that makes the line longer to get in.

We're not unique in our ability to choose.

4 Continents and have a degree in Political Science

Bullshit.

The reason people are coming to the US in DROVES is because they have choice and freedom and economic and educational opportunity that is virtually unsuprassed anywhere else on the planet.

Also bullshit. Our education lags behind almost every developed nation. We work longer for less money than almost every developed nation. You have your head in the sand. What you said right there is simply NOT TRUE. THe facts are against you, pure and simple.

If this wasnt the case, everyone would go to where the opportunities were better, the choices greater, the healthcare better, the social services better and on and on and on.

People in Mexico can't swim across a river to get to Holland. Plus, you assume that people are rational creatures, which is clearly not the case.

Individuals are rational.

People are stupid.

we are basically forces to eat additives that man simply was not designed to eat.

There isnt a grocery store in this nation that doesnt stock truckloads of food that dont contain additives and arnt "fast food" and are as healthy as you can get for food. What people choose to do with them is thier business and who are you to judge? Again each should choose thier own way. Or are you going to tell me what to eat?



We've been taught that convenience is more important than quality.

Maybe thats what you were taught..thats not what i was taught. I was taught to eat well and to eat balanced meals. I was also taught to make rational decisions that says if im late for a meeting and wont be able to eat for 6 hours and grabbing a burger in 5 min is just the thing..well then as a rational thinking person i have the ability to make that judgement as well. I have CHOICES. Does it mean that because i grabbed a hamburger because its fast i wasnt taught the ability to appreciate a fine wine or a good steak? Speak for yourself for what Americans are taught or not.


We're not unique in our ability to choose.

No but we are nearly unique in the vast number of things we can choose from.



Bullshit.

North America(including Mexico City Cancun Alcapulco and Canada)
South America (Peru) sister in law has family there
Europe ( Italy, Spain England{if you count i was just in the airport})
Africa (Morrocco)

I graduated from Syracuse University '90 with a BA in Political Science. A school held in high regard in the field.





People in Mexico can't swim across a river to get to Holland. Plus, you assume that people are rational creatures, which is clearly not the case.

Ahh i see so the reason all these people are coming to the US is they are just all crazy huh? Its hardly as though the huge line to get into this country is just from Mexico. People are lined up from one end of the PLANET to the other to get in. OCEANS and all...Gee i wonder why people are going to such troubles to get to such a horrible place. Oh thats right they are crazy never mind.

Also bullshit. Our education lags behind almost every developed nation. We work longer for less money than almost every developed nation. You have your head in the sand. What you said right there is simply NOT TRUE. THe facts are against you, pure and simple.

People in Mexico can't swim across a river to get to Holland. Plus, you assume that people are rational creatures, which is clearly not the case.

You my friend have a rather nasty habit of making incorrect assumptions about people, both here in the forums and in the real world. With me you automatically assumed I'm a teenager when in fact I've already got gray hair dammit and second, that I don't actually have the job I say I have.

And for some strange reason, you don't think that people are 'rational creatures?' What the hell are we arguing about then? You wanted more people to have the opportunity to express themselves on TV and radio and to have more of a say in government. If they're not rational I'm afraid I wouldn't want that.

look idiot(the guy who made this thread)we're #1.everybody knows that.but we uck at being #1! instead of solving REAL problems,we make imaginary weapons of mas destruction and say they're in Iraq,we eat like pig(for the most part),and we cant do shit to even deterr crim.Also in our schools we teach the theory of evolution which,although a plausable theory,cannot be the way we got here.b4 you go runnin ur mouth about how they're just jealous you better check yourself because they don't envy us for being #1.they despise us because we have so much and do soooooo little.

You're DRUNK. LOL

The reason people are coming to the US in DROVES is because they have choice and freedom and economic and educational opportunity that is virtually unsuprassed anywhere else on the planet. If this wasnt the case, everyone would go to where the opportunities were better, the choices greater, the healthcare better, the social services better and on and on and on.

:D You're funny...And you need to get out more.

If Bukina Faso (for my fellow Americans, it's in Africa) were the most powerful nation in the world everyone would be giving them shit and complaining about their arrogance. It comes with the territory, as the British know from their experience in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

The problem with many Americans (and this trait is often exhibited in our foreign policy) is that we aren't satisfied with being the world's only superpower and the dominant political, economic, and social force on the planet.

We also want to be loved.

We simply can't fathom why every other country in the world doesn't just adore us. Essentially we are an insecure teenage prom queen with nuclear weapons.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

Firstly, you have to define what "American" is. Which from all accouts as I understand is a fairly hard concept to pin down. I can understand if people are attacking your country itself, but thats what you have to accpet given your role as the dominant politcal power.

Secondly, part of the reason for this attitude is the American belief that they are number 1. While they have a great deal of political dominance, have you looked at the EU lately, or Japan, or China? The EU is more economically powerful than you, and in many ways more politically powerful. Look at what its doing to Turkey. The democatiasation of Turkey is far superior to what has happed in Iraq. The EU has been dangling the carrot of membership in front of its nose and the Turkish government have made some major reforms.

You my friend have a rather nasty habit of making incorrect assumptions about people, both here in the forums and in the real world. With me you automatically assumed I'm a teenager when in fact I've already got gray hair dammit and second, that I don't actually have the job I say I have.

And for some strange reason, you don't think that people are 'rational creatures?' What the hell are we arguing about then? You wanted more people to have the opportunity to express themselves on TV and radio and to have more of a say in government. If they're not rational I'm afraid I wouldn't want that.

I'm sorry, when someone sounds provincial and closed minded, I usually assume that they're young and poorly travelled. One simply can't visit 4 continents and come away with the impression that the US is "#1 at everything."

And please. A person can be rational...sometimes, but people collectively are contrary, chaotic and irrational. On the other hand, exposure to other ways of thinking does tend to help in that regard.

Yeah, I do make poor assumptions sometimes. That's inevitable on the internet, where we have only someone's prowess at English to judge them by. I'm sure if I met you in person, I'd have quite a different opinion of you.

But you're right. To paraphrase Futurama "Internet madness is no excuse for internet rudeness."

There isnt a grocery store in this nation that doesnt stock truckloads of food that dont contain additives and arnt "fast food" and are as healthy as you can get for food. What people choose to do with them is thier business and who are you to judge? Again each should choose thier own way. Or are you going to tell me what to eat?

The vast majority of brands people are familiar with are bad for you. High fructose corn syrup is practically poison. THe fact that we do have options and consistently make poor choices proves that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Maybe thats what you were taught..thats not what i was taught. I was taught to eat well and to eat balanced meals. I was also taught to make rational decisions that says if im late for a meeting and wont be able to eat for 6 hours and grabbing a burger in 5 min is just the thing..well then as a rational thinking person i have the ability to make that judgement as well. I have CHOICES. Does it mean that because i grabbed a hamburger because its fast i wasnt taught the ability to appreciate a fine wine or a good steak? Speak for yourself for what Americans are taught or not.

I'm talking about Americans in general, and there is no denying that we are getting fatter and less healthy.

No but we are nearly unique in the vast number of things we can choose from.

No, we're not. More proof that you simply have not travelled as you claim to have.

North America(including Mexico City Cancun Alcapulco and Canada)
South America (Peru) sister in law has family there
Europe ( Italy, Spain England{if you count i was just in the airport})
Africa (Morrocco)

Too bad you had your nose too high in the air to absorb the culture.

I graduated from Syracuse University '90 with a BA in Political Science. A school held in high regard in the field.

Too bad it didn't stick.

Ahh i see so the reason all these people are coming to the US is they are just all crazy huh? Its hardly as though the huge line to get into this country is just from Mexico. People are lined up from one end of the PLANET to the other to get in. OCEANS and all...Gee i wonder why people are going to such troubles to get to such a horrible place. Oh thats right they are crazy never mind.

I didn't say America was horrible. Saying we're not the tip top in everything is not saying that we're horrible. And I didn't say people were crazy either. How did you graduate from college by constructing arguments that have little to do with what people actually say? Besides geography, there are other reasons why people come to America. There's no doubting that America is the #1 exporter of media. We SELL America effectively. There's also no doubting that, in the past, America WAS the land of opportunity. That reputation still lingers. But saying our education, for example, has no peer is just simply wrong. Saying our standard of living and healthcare are unparalleled is simply wrong.

Oh, and next time you travel, stay away from the touristy areas and befriend a local. It might open your eyes.

If Bukina Faso (for my fellow Americans, it's in Africa) were the most powerful nation in the world everyone would be giving them shit and complaining about their arrogance. It comes with the territory, as the British know from their experience in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

The problem with many Americans (and this trait is often exhibited in our foreign policy) is that we aren't satisfied with being the world's only superpower and the dominant political, economic, and social force on the planet.

We also want to be loved.

We simply can't fathom why every other country in the world doesn't just adore us. Essentially we are an insecure teenage prom queen with nuclear weapons.

There is truth in that. But there is also truth in the fact that the US is falling behind in some very serious areas. And assuming "they just hate us because we're beautiful," is the height of conceit.

There's no excuse for the world's lone superpower to not have the best education, healthcare system, and standard of living. The fact that we don't indicates that something in need of correcting is going on.

The reason people are coming to the US in DROVES is because they have choice and freedom and economic and educational opportunity that is virtually unsuprassed anywhere else on the planet. If this wasnt the case, everyone would go to where the opportunities were better, the choices greater, the healthcare better, the social services better and on and on and on.

The reason people go to the states is to make money. Then they get the fuck out of there with the money and settle down and rear their kids, far, far away from that place. People walk around with guns, the country runs on crack and meta amphetamine. Fuuuck that.

The reason people go to the states is to make money. Then they get the fuck out of there with the money and settle down and rear their kids, far, far away from that place. People walk around with guns, the country runs on crack and meta amphetamine. Fuuuck that.

Yay for crack and meth.

The reason people go to the states is to make money. Then they get the fuck out of there with the money and settle down and rear their kids, far, far away from that place. People walk around with guns, the country runs on crack and meta amphetamine. Fuuuck that.

LMAO who would have thought a nation of gun toating crackheads could form the most powerful nation on the planet? Im not sure where you come from but it doesnt speak much for your country if you cant outdo a bunch of crackheads. Why do people come to this country for money? Cant money be made any easier in all these other countries that your so clearly championing?? From what im apparently hearing, America is a lousy place to come for money, education and social services. I havnt been given much of a list from all these other posters where the better places immigrants should go but PLEASE listen to them and go there. We have a LONG LONG LONG LONG line of people that already want in and we really dont need anyone else joining the gravy train. So go to whatever other great country you clearely have in mind that is better than the USA and enjoy yourself and leave us in peace.

One simply can't visit 4 continents and come away with the impression that the US is "#1 at everything."

Can and did. Deal with it.

I'm not anti-American in the least! I love our friends to the south! :D :fluffle:
And we love you Canada! I just got back from a week up there fishing. Great contry by why the hell do you have the Queen of England on your money?

Can and did. Deal with it.

No, I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. You didn't open your eyes while travelling, which means you simply threw your money away. You live in a delusional fantasyland.

Don't get me wrong. America is great, but that doesn't mean you have to be a rah rah rah buffoon.

Admit it. You're twelve. Just admit it. It's okay. You've never stepped foot outside of the country. It's okay.

Can and did. Deal with it.

Voluntary blindness is a recognised psychological disorder. I recommend that you seek professional help. Quickly.

Anarchy land34']ok im freaking pissed off that whenever i look inside a thread

i see some insulting american remark
yeah ok a lot of people hate our president.
britain ur prime minister sucks ass too.
just because were #1 in everything(well almost)
doesent mean we need to have some european or canadian bustin' our balls randomly every 4th thread

everyone feel free to debate, add on, ect.

Hooah! If I could shake your hand I would.