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Lol then explain to me why it isn't so easy for some gays who try to lie themselves back into heterosexualness?

You're denying that some people have been saved from homosexuality by returning to heterosexuality?

Yeah, but at least back then they did the right thing and punished them.



I'm not even going to start on why evolution is crap.

A: No, they didn't. They were even fuckbuddies with kings along with his harem of women. It was pretty tolerated.

B: You used it as an argument, you can't have it both ways.

You're denying that some people have been saved from homosexuality by returning to heterosexuality?

Well, I'm saying it's idiots like you who make them feel ashamed to be who they are, so they lie to themselves and force their minds into a christian fundie mindset where they usually get married to prove they're not gay even though they really are.

You're denying that some people have been saved from homosexuality by returning to heterosexuality?

No denying about it. But, who's to know the attraction buried deep down within a person's brain, regardless if their actions prove them to be homosexual or herterosexual?

I'm a select poster here. I would have clearly saw it, had I known her to be a lesbian. In fact, I didn't even know she was a 'she'? Point is, this is the first time I've even heard of her.

You know what's a pretty good tip. HER signature.

You're denying that some people have been saved from homosexuality by returning to heterosexuality?

No, I'm asking why Gay people who try to lie to themselves and become hetero have such a hard time of it if lying to yourself makes you change?

I'm a select poster here. I would have clearly saw it, had I known her to be a lesbian. In fact, I didn't even know she was a 'she'?

Says pretty clearly in my signature that I'm a 'she'...

Point is, this is the first time I've even heard of her.

Oh well.

And if the "people" in question are men, and you tell them to blow you... and then LET them, what does that make you*? (let's not always see the same hands, folks)



*I am assuming, from your name, The sons of tarsonis, and from the fact that "blow me" means very little when said by a woman, that you are, in fact, male. If I am mistaken, then my attempt at humor will probably fall a little flat, but it is a calculated risk that I am willing to take.



ummmmmmmmmm.......ure a moron. Sons of Tarsonis, i ripped off from Starcraft cause i was bored i joined this lovely site. and blow me is a figure of speach.

You know what's a pretty good tip. HER signature.

I don't see their signature unless I click her name. And I don't bother to do that, for anyone. Moot point.

A: No, they didn't. They were even fuckbuddies with kings along with his harem of women. It was pretty tolerated.

B: You used it as an argument, you can't have it both ways.

Agh! She's a lesbian and messing with you. How can people not see this?

Agh! She's a lesbian and messing with you. How can people not see this?

we're arguing with her because she is choosing to be devils advocate... where's the fun if there's no one to argue with?

ummmmmmmmmm.......ure a moron. Sons of Tarsonis, i ripped off from Starcraft cause i was bored i joined this lovely site. and blow me is a figure of speach.

An incredibly rude and insulting figure of speech that a polite person would not spew out of their piehole.

Quick question: What did Christ say about turning the other cheek? Hint: It's not "ure a moron".

ummmmmmmmmm.......ure a moron. Sons of Tarsonis, i ripped off from Starcraft cause i was bored i joined this lovely site. and blow me is a figure of speach.

pity then that you resort to insults when you run out of logical ammunition...

ummmmmmmmmm.......ure a moron. Sons of Tarsonis, i ripped off from Starcraft cause i was bored i joined this lovely site. and blow me is a figure of speach.

Starcraft is a heathen devil game. YOU BURN IN HELL FOR PLAYING SATAN'S GAME! Or reading Harry Potter, whichever.

Erg, I'm sick of bible-thumpers picking and choosing which parts of the bible to follow! The bible condones slavery, rape and degradation of women, polygamy, sex with animals, and you choose to point out one stupid part of an old book of fiction, perhaps with a few grains of truth to condone hatred. Well, here's my opinion: Jesus taught to love your fellow men, and to forgive. Paul taught hatred. Christians should be following JESUS' teachings, not Paul.


what the hell? did you even read the thing? even part of it? the bible does not condone any of those things, in any part. so when you actually read the book and know what it is your talking about, then you can come in here and preach about pick and choosing what to follow and all that jazz.

Agh! She's a lesbian and messing with you. How can people not see this?

I'm arguing the words, not the person.

An incredibly rude and insulting figure of speech that a polite person would not spew out of their piehole.

Unless they were serious about it. It would be ok, then.

Starcraft is a heathen devil game. YOU BURN IN HELL FOR PLAYING SATAN'S GAME! Or reading Harry Potter, whichever.

Indeed, how dare a person play such a violent, war game? And read a book professing witchcraft? :eek: /sarcasm

what the hell? did you even read the thing? even part of it? the bible does not condone any of those things, in any part. so when you actually read the book and know what it is your talking about, then you can come in here and preach about pick and choosing what to follow and all that jazz.

It does, actually.

Which version are you reading? Yes, it depends which version. Because there are different versions. Meaning one or more of them is wrong. Meaning you have no idea what you're talking about.

pity then that you resort to insults when you run out of logical ammunition...


havent you been reading. this thread is a massive flame war. i just felt like throwing in my 2 cents

A: No, they didn't. They were even fuckbuddies with kings along with his harem of women. It was pretty tolerated.

Kings let alot of people away with alot of wrong things. And did them themselves. Like murder.

B: You used it as an argument, you can't have it both ways.

Nah, I used the undeniable fact that reproduction between a male and a female promotes the species. I never said anything about natural selection.

It does, actually.

Which version are you reading? Yes, it depends which version. Because there are different versions. Meaning one or more of them is wrong. Meaning you have no idea what you're talking about.
He doesn't read the wrong bibles, he reads the right bible. Haven't you been paying attention?

what the hell? did you even read the thing? even part of it? the bible does not condone any of those things, in any part. so when you actually read the book and know what it is your talking about, then you can come in here and preach about pick and choosing what to follow and all that jazz.

It actually does condone slavery, but only having slaves from neighboring countries... makes it so much better...

Says pretty clearly in my signature that I'm a 'she'...



Oh well.


This is the only thing I see pertaining to you:

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And is the only thing I care to ever know about you, ever. I won't check your profile or past posts just to see if your using sarcasm. I'm arguing the stance you're taking, and the crap you're saying right now. Not what was said or stated a month ago.

Kings let alot of people away with alot of wrong things. And did them themselves. Like murder.



Nah, I used the undeniable fact that reproduction between a male and a female promotes the species. I never said anything about natural selection.

You said if we were gay we would have died off. That's natural selection in action, though not really because the point is moot seeing as how there are gay animals in nature and gay people in history.

what the hell? did you even read the thing? even part of it? the bible does not condone any of those things, in any part. so when you actually read the book and know what it is your talking about, then you can come in here and preach about pick and choosing what to follow and all that jazz.

Wanna bet. I'll make a deal with you. If I can show the Bible stating, say, that people are allowed to take slaves, will you apologize and admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about?

No, I'm asking why Gay people who try to lie to themselves and become hetero have such a hard time of it if lying to yourself makes you change?

They're obviously not trying hard enough.

They're obviously not trying hard enough.

Lol does five years of what I now consider to be denial count for anything? And it wasn't only me... everyone around me made comments assuming I was straight because they didn't know... So I had the entire world lying to me for 5 years and nothing change... that convince you?

It actually does condone slavery, but only having slaves from neighboring countries... makes it so much better...

And condoning selling your daughter as a prostitute. And killing people who've slept in the same bed as a woman while she was having her period.

It's my personal belief that gay people mate in an impossible effort to conceive a puppy. Therefor, I think homosexuality is the cutest thing ever.

This has got to be the funniest stringing along I have ever seen.

It's my personal belief that gay people mate in an impossible effort to conceive a puppy. Therefor, I think homosexuality is the cutest thing ever.
But dogs don't mate that way.

You said if we were gay we would have died off. That's natural selection in action, though not really because the point is moot seeing as how there are gay animals in nature and gay people in history.

It's people going against their natural urges and not propagating the species that would lead to us dying out. Nothing natural about it.

It's my personal belief that gay people mate in an impossible effort to conceive a puppy. Therefor, I think homosexuality is the cutest thing ever.

<3 If I had a sig I would so quote that.

But dogs don't mate that way.
I know. It's the dream that matters.

It's people going against their natural urges and not propagating the species that would lead to us dying out. Nothing natural about it.

But god supposedly teaches us that our body's natural urges are wrong.

Lol does five years of what I now consider to be denial count for anything? And it wasn't only me... everyone around me made comments assuming I was straight because they didn't know... So I had the entire world lying to me for 5 years and nothing change... that convince you?

No, you clearly failed in your task. You should try again, and redouble your efforts.

It does, actually.

Which version are you reading? Yes, it depends which version. Because there are different versions. Meaning one or more of them is wrong. Meaning you have no idea what you're talking about.


Evil kanevil could not have made that leap. The bible is translated from hebrew scriptures. ill break it down the diff versions.


the Apocra- Catholic bible, decided upon by the pagan Roman emperor constantine. organized by differnet sects of christianity.

King James (aka protestant bible)- took out stuff that the catholic church put in to give themselves power. put stuff that was more of the orginal teachings of christ.

Book of Morman- writen in 1800's because some guy didnt like the church its the only "christian" work condoning polygamy. and very few christians think it is a valid work.

It's people going against their natural urges and not propagating the species that would lead to us dying out. Nothing natural about it.

Unless of course only a certain persentage of people were gay... as an inherent population control...

I'm sick of the Bible. It isn't interesting and it isn't true.

But god supposedly teaches us that our body's natural urges are wrong.

No, no, it's ok to have sex with the express purpose of propagating the species. Anything else is an affront to God.

It's people going against their natural urges and not propagating the species that would lead to us dying out. Nothing natural about it.


Different people have different natural urges. Some people would rather continue their cocaine addiction than have sex, regardless of who it was. That's their natural urge. It's natural for them, and not necessarily natural for someone else.

Unless of course only a certain persentage of people were gay... as an inherent population control...

You mean only a certain percentage are twisted enough to pursuade themselves they are gay?

No, no, it's ok to have sex with the express purpose of propagating the species. Anything else is an affront to God.
God should give us a time-out or something. Really, I learn better if I get a time-out.

No, you clearly failed in your task. You should try again, and redouble your efforts.

Pity... Even my Christian friends have stopped trying to change me after I told them about that... You would be the most insanely persistent person if I didn't know you were playing devil's advocate...

Evil kanevil could not have made that leap. The bible is translated from hebrew scriptures. ill break it down the diff versions.


the Apocra- Catholic bible, decided upon by the pagan Roman emperor constantine. organized by differnet sects of christianity.

King James (aka protestant bible)- took out stuff that the catholic church put in to give themselves power. put stuff that was more of the orginal teachings of christ.

Book of Morman- writen in 1800's because some guy didnt like the church its the only "christian" work condoning polygamy. and very few christians think it is a valid work.

Okay, so does the Bible you're referring to (KJV I assume) condone slavery?

Different people have different natural urges. Some people would rather continue their cocaine addiction than have sex, regardless of who it was. That's their natural urge. It's natural for them, and not necessarily natural for someone else.

A cocaine addiction is not natural. It is based purely in self-indulgence and a hatred of God. So is homosexuality.

You mean only a certain percentage are twisted enough to pursuade themselves they are gay?

I was trying to point out that being gay wouldn't wipe out the species because it is only a trait in a certain percentage of people.

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i am an openly gay man, and i am so fucking sick of you bible breathers telling me that i should go die.... "heteroamerica" people like you make me want to go on a massive killing spree.

Gay People like you make me want to kill all gays:mp5:

Pity... Even my Christian friends have stopped trying to change me after I told them about that...

Your "Christian" friends have failed in their mission from God.

You would be the most insanely persistent person if I didn't know you were playing devil's advocate...

Shhhh....

Evil kanevil could not have made that leap. The bible is translated from hebrew scriptures. ill break it down the diff versions.


the Apocra- Catholic bible, decided upon by the pagan Roman emperor constantine. organized by differnet sects of christianity.

King James (aka protestant bible)- took out stuff that the catholic church put in to give themselves power. put stuff that was more of the orginal teachings of christ.

Book of Morman- writen in 1800's because some guy didnt like the church its the only "christian" work condoning polygamy. and very few christians think it is a valid work.

Then it breaks down even further, and into almost every language there is, over the course of about 1500 years. Things get misquoted.

I have here, the NEW king james version. Shiny, new, version. Inside the bible, it says "Words of Christ, in red." ... meaning the whole book is not the teachings of Christ, only the red parts.

Oh and I'm sure the Thomas Nelson Bibles (A divison of Thomas Nelson, Inc) are direct descendants of the monks who copied the bible by hand a thousand years ago. No way they could be different.

It actually does condone slavery, but only having slaves from neighboring countries... makes it so much better...


no....it condones servitude. servitude is different slavery. servitude is voluntary, he says in the bible "no servent is greater than his master." in other words stay humble, just cause ure serving doesnt make you better. In studdying the bible, you come to realize that alot of what christ did was to outline a finer point.

The whole washing the feat and serving detail, was a message. It says that we as christians are called to serve him, and try to further his kingdom.

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i am an openly gay man, and i am so fucking sick of you bible breathers telling me that i should go die.... "heteroamerica" people like you make me want to go on a massive killing spree.

Gay People like you make me want to kill all gays:mp5:

I have to agree with Bjerhjinanikle up until the massive killing spree... so plz don't kill us lol...

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Pop quiz: Who said that?

This is a trick question, right?

Because this story isn't in the earliest versions (Greek) of the bible - it was added much later, at least, according to Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why by Bart Ehrman (a professor of religious studies).

I was trying to point out that being gay wouldn't wipe out the species because it is only a trait in a certain percentage of people.

It is not a trait; that would imply it is normal, and natural. It is a perversion.

If all people followed this unnaturalness our species would be ended.

Bah! I'm done until a real troll who believes what they are saying comes in here. It just isn't the same.

no....it condones servitude. servitude is different slavery. servitude is voluntary, he says in the bible "no servent is greater than his master." in other words stay humble, just cause ure serving doesnt make you better. In studdying the bible, you come to realize that alot of what christ did was to outline a finer point.

The whole washing the feat and serving detail, was a message. It says that we as christians are called to serve him, and try to further his kingdom.
It'd be better if it said that no master was greater than his servant. Maybe I should edit the bible.

Then it breaks down even further, and into almost every language there is, over the course of about 1500 years. Things get misquoted.

I have here, the NEW king james version. Shiny, new, version. Inside the bible, it says "Words of Christ, in red." ... meaning the whole book is not the teachings of Christ, only the red parts.

Oh and I'm sure the Thomas Nelson Bibles (A divison of Thomas Nelson, Inc) are direct descendants of the monks who copied the bible by hand a thousand years ago. No way they could be different.

The Thomas Nelson Bibles are translated from Greek Texts. They are translated over and over again, to fit up with Modern language, not to make alterations, the message is the same. God sent his son to die for our sins. Its a message of love, not hate.

It is not a trait; that would imply it is normal, and natural. It is a perversion.

If all people followed this unnaturalness our species would be ended.

Wrong, it's still a trait. Having a cleft pallet, widow's peak, attached ear lobes and down syndrome are all traits with only a small percentage holding the trait.

no....it condones servitude. servitude is different slavery. servitude is voluntary, he says in the bible "no servent is greater than his master." in other words stay humble, just cause ure serving doesnt make you better. In studdying the bible, you come to realize that alot of what christ did was to outline a finer point.

The whole washing the feat and serving detail, was a message. It says that we as christians are called to serve him, and try to further his kingdom.

You sure?

Leviticus 25:44Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

45Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession

Do you know what a possession is? It says you own them. That's not voluntary. It explains how to find them and who you can have. It explains how to pass them to your children and how you own their families. It explains how you can beat them to death provided they don't die the same day.

Maybe I should edit the bible.


You wouldn't be the first person to do so. :rolleyes:

The Thomas Nelson Bibles are translated from Greek Texts. They are translated over and over again, to fit up with Modern language, not to make alterations, the message is the same. God sent his son to die for our sins. Its a message of love, not hate.

Of course! Love. Except love between two men. Because they both have penises, that's just gross. Fuck that love.

Unless they were serious about it. It would be ok, then.

And, of course, Ire a moron. So Sons (who is a girl? with a penis?) must have been serious.

The conjugation of the verb re... Ire a moron, ure a moron, hure/shure/itre a moron, wure morons, ure morons, thure morons. :rolleyes:

Wrong, it's still a trait. Having a cleft pallet, widow's peak, attached ear lobes and down syndrome are all traits with only a small percentage holding the trait.

I thought you said you were done? :p

It'd be better if it said that no master was greater than his servant. Maybe I should edit the bible.

ive often thought that myself, and i think that this is one of the mistranslations people talk about. i think master is no better than his servent, fits more along the lines with christs teachings than servent greater than his master. but only when ure talking about humans. cause then we step back and look at the big picture.


no servant is greater than his master = no man is greater than god.

I thought you said you were done? :p

So that's how you get so many posts. Small sentences that take up four seconds typing time. Brilliant.

You sure?

Leviticus 25:44Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

45Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession

Do you know what a possession is? It says you own them. That's not voluntary. It explains how to find them and who you can have. It explains how to pass them to your children and how you own their families. It explains how you can beat them to death provided they don't die the same day.


yeah this is why no one operates out of the king james bible, its too hard to understand, let me check mine and get back to you

Random question: Why did god involve himself in the lives of the people back then and then do fuckall once we got more intelligent?

"He doesn't interfere in the lives of people" Bullshit, he interfered with everyone's lives in the bible. "I will make you cease your lewdness and your harlotry brought from the land of Egypt, so that you will not lift your eyes to them nor remember Egypt anymore."

That's a hell of a lot of breaking the "free will" fourth wall, hm?

Originally Posted by Bjerhjinanikle
be glad that i never meet you in real life,

i am an openly gay man, and i am so fucking sick of you bible breathers telling me that i should go die.... "heteroamerica" people like you make me want to go on a massive killing spree.

*hugs* respect to you, more power 2 you.Religion belongs NOWHERE IN POLITICS! FUCK YOU JESUS-FREAKS!



where does this say anything bout politics?

You wouldn't be the first person to do so. :rolleyes:
Maybe there should be a Wikibible?

yeah this is why no one operates out of the king james bible, its too hard to understand, let me check mine and get back to you

Which version? I've got any version you like. This is NIV.

Leviticus 25:44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

So that's how you get so many posts. Small sentences that take up four seconds typing time. Brilliant.

Oh, I used to do proper posts, structured arguments, that sort of thing.

Then I realised how pointless it was.

So now I just wander through.

And, of course, Ire a moron. So Sons (who is a girl? with a penis?) must have been serious.

The conjugation of the verb re... Ire a moron, ure a moron, hure/shure/itre a moron, wure morons, ure morons, thure morons. :rolleyes:

its called a typo dumbass

ive often thought that myself, and i think that this is one of the mistranslations people talk about. i think master is no better than his servent, fits more along the lines with christs teachings than servent greater than his master. but only when ure talking about humans. cause then we step back and look at the big picture.


no servant is greater than his master = no man is greater than god.

Yeah too bad the bible doesn't say that. Because, y'know... it would make sense. You'd think the perfect words of god would take full advantage of the situation and write that instead of the crap that's already there.

No, no, it's ok to have sex with the express purpose of propagating the species. Anything else is an affront to God.


Except gay sex, which is often an aback to God.


(I cannot believe I am posting this.)

Wrong, it's still a trait. Having a cleft pallet, widow's peak, attached ear lobes and down syndrome are all traits with only a small percentage holding the trait.

Homosexuality isn't genetic.

It's not a trait....

its called a typo dumbass

Careful. Namecalling isn't Christian or within the rules of the forum.

yeah this is why no one operates out of the king james bible, its too hard to understand, let me check mine and get back to you

Doesn't matter what version you're using, they're all the words of god. All of them, even the ones that we can't figure out or the ones that contradict eachother. I mean, the bible says the bible is perfect and is complete and holy!

AND THE BIBLE WILL LAY THE SMACKDOWN ON YOUR CANDY ASS!

Heh. I had to.

.......

*Whips out the All-Mighty, Testosterone-Injection Mallot of Smiting and takes a whack at all the bigots...*

Whew... I never knew that they could fly... Oh. Of course, I am God, so I can make them fly.

Hmn... now... what's next on the agenda? Damnit... Do I still have to make that stupid rock?

Ugh...

Why can't Christians just get on with their lives and leave everyone they disapprove of to get on with theirs? I happen to like the cock, I don't want to be put down for it just because some guy who may or may not have existed allegedly said it was wrong at some distant point in the past.

Homosexuality isn't genetic.

It's not a trait....

Prove it.

Which version? I've got any version you like. This is NIV.

Leviticus 25:44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.


eh okay, it condones slavery, i submit, but it doesnt condone cruelty to slaves, like that experianced in this country.

Homosexuality isn't genetic.

It's not a trait....

They're part of the mind, which happen at conception, meaning it has to do with DNA and is therefore genetic.

Homosexuality isn't genetic.

It's not a trait....

Only half true.
Trait(Noun):
1. A distinguishing feature, as of a person's character.
2. A genetically determined characteristic or condition: a recessive trait.
3.
(1. A stroke with or as if with a pencil.
(2. A slight degree or amount, as of a quality; a touch or trace: a sermon with a trait of humor.

Homosexuality can fit all the catergories, only genetic has yet to offer actual proof.

eh okay, it condones slavery, i submit, but it doesnt condone cruelty to slaves, like that experianced in this country.

You sure about that?

eh okay, it condones slavery, i submit, but it doesnt condone cruelty to slaves, like that experianced in this country.

Oh so it's okay to own someone and be their master so long as you don't hurt them. Right. Physical pain isn't the only type of cruelty you can give to someone.

Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god
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but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes

Yeah too bad the bible doesn't say that. Because, y'know... it would make sense. You'd think the perfect words of god would take full advantage of the situation and write that instead of the crap that's already there.

you know, i dont insult u for not believing, why do u keep insulting the stuff i believe in?

Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god
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but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes
You bet your ass I do.

For starters, I'm making bisexuality mandatory, as well as a month on Ritalin for all children.

...No.

Two verses in the Bible are not going to change gay people. Guess who the Bible was written by? MEN. Why? 2000 years ago in a homosexual relationships, somebody would be treated as a woman, which was very degrading in those times. (And no, the Bible does not condone sexism either, did Jesus discriminate against Mary Magdalene?)

And Jesus did say in one verse that it didn't matter if you were male or female or straight or gay, we're all one in Him. I think it's in Romans too.


And by the way, yes, God did create Adam and Eve. Then when mankind evolved, He created another Adam and created Steve too. It just wasn't in the Bible.

And if homosexuality is a human-only choice, how are animals gay, hmm? Something tells me that God didn't intend for homosexuality to be a sin.


Unfortunately, a lot of extreme religious folk don't buy into science, from what I can see. Faith trumps science.

Sex for fun and babies is FINE with the bible-read Song of solomon. Something I shared with my fiance.

Yeah... the Bible is weird like that...

Oh so it's okay to own someone and be their master so long as you don't hurt them. Right. Physical pain isn't the only type of cruelty you can give to someone.


hey i didnt write the thing okay, when you go to heven u can ask him.

you know, i dont insult u for not believing, why do u keep insulting the stuff i believe in?

Hmm... you sure about that? Remember that quote function.

But sex is evil! God said so, right when he stated that humanity was to have as much sex as possible!


But arn't we sposed to populate the earth so men and women gotta have sex they can make babbies not men and men.

you know, i dont insult u for not believing, why do u keep insulting the stuff i believe in?


Because this is a messageboard where we care nothing of your beliefs. Besides, direct insults to the person, and the insults toward their belief are two different things.

Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god
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but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes

Yeah, but god is everything. He is good, he is evil, he is plant, he is animal, he is star, he is galaxy, he is straight and he is a buttfucking gay man singing YMCA - HE IS EVERYTHING.

eh okay, it condones slavery, i submit, but it doesnt condone cruelty to slaves, like that experianced in this country.
What do you think happens to slaves?

Because this is a messageboard where we care nothing of your beliefs. Besides, direct insults to the person, and the insults toward their belief are two different things.

Also, he insults homosexuals for being who they are by considering their life to be nothing but one big sin.

Yeah, but god is everything. He is good, he is evil,

Yeah and that's kind of why Christianity is bullshit..

Yeah, but god is everything. He is good, he is evil, he is plant, he is animal, he is star, he is galaxy, he is straight and he is a buttfucking gay man singing YMCA - HE IS EVERYTHING.
I think I ate God.

:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: What is up with all these threads about gay people???????? nobody gives a fuck, jusst shutup about it. :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:

I think I ate God.

You probably ate the gay pancake part.

:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: What is up with all these threads about gay people???????? nobody gives a fuck, jusst shutup about it. :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:

We give a fuck. You can "jusst shutup about it".

:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: What is up with all these threads about gay people???????? nobody gives a fuck, jusst shutup about it. :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:

Clearly you 'give a fuck', or else you wouldn't have posted.

its called a typo dumbass


Now, dear, if you are not going to play nice... after all, I have not once called YOU any names.

Both times that you have called me some variation on stupid, your use of English grammar was suspect, so I called you on it. I am not usually one of the grammar nazis, but if you are going to claim I am a "moron" and a "dumbass", you should be prepared that, while I will not stoop to your level and call you names, the tables will, most firmly, be turned. Especially when you leave yourself wide open to it.

By the way, there is a typo in your sig.

:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: What is up with all these threads about gay people???????? nobody gives a fuck, jusst shutup about it. :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:

YES!

who ever said god was everything?
he may be infinite but he is also concious, so he could form his own opinions.
im not saying that he should send all gays to hell or that he is gay, only that can he not think for himself?

Only half true.
Trait(Noun):
1. A distinguishing feature, as of a person's character.
2. A genetically determined characteristic or condition: a recessive trait.
3.
(1. A stroke with or as if with a pencil.
(2. A slight degree or amount, as of a quality; a touch or trace: a sermon with a trait of humor.

Homosexuality can fit all the catergories, only genetic has yet to offer actual proof.

I mean it's not something passed down from generation to generation. There's nothing that 'makes you' HS. You make that choice yourself.

:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: What is up with all these threads about gay people???????? nobody gives a fuck, jusst shutup about it. :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:
People generally make threads that other people gives a fuck enough about to reply to them. I made a thread on whether a tomato was a fruit or a vegetable and not enough people gave a fuck enough about it.

Hmm... you sure about that? Remember that quote function.

oh really, show me where ive insulted someone for not believing in God

hey i didnt write the thing okay, when you go to heven u can ask him.

So you admit you were wrong when you accused people of not knowing what the hell they were talking about?

Exodus 21:20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

You were rude and told others they were clueless of a sort it and it appears to be you who is not familiar enough with the Bible to make this argument.

I love how threads about homosexuality get so many post so quickly. Always a guaranteed 300+ reply thread.

who ever said god was everything?
he may be infinite but he is also concious, so he could form his own opinions.
im not saying that he should send all gays to hell or that he is gay, only that can he not think for himself?

No. Since everything came from god, he is everything. Nothing would exist without first being part of him.

I love how threads about homosexuality get so many post so quickly. Always a guaranteed 300+ reply thread.

They're fun!

Thanks for helping it along, btw. =)

I mean it's not something passed down from generation to generation. There's nothing that 'makes you' HS. You make that choice yourself.


It's still a trait. You don't know that it can't be passed down from generation to generation. No proof to provide a clear answer. It could be a recessive trait that has a possiblity to be passed on, or it could be a dominate trait that has a greater likelihood to be passed on. You're disagreeing against those who are gay and struggle against people like you, then make wrong statements like that. Sad.

Except gay sex, which is often an aback to God.


(I cannot believe I am posting this.)
I love you.

:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: What is up with all these threads about gay people???????? nobody gives a fuck, jusst shutup about it. :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:

I agree, gay threads are....gay...

truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god
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but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes

If God is truly infinite, he would encompass ALL opinions simultaneously, and holding ALL opinions is the same as holding none (they cancel each other out). So anyone who claims God is infinite, then limits him to one opinion about homosexuality is limiting God, and by doing so making him NOT God.

No. Since everything came from god, he is everything. Nothing would exist without first being part of him.

thats what logic and physics tell you, but couldnt the creator of logic and physics bend the rules?

ya god created everything, but it doesnt mean he cant take a stand on it

It's still a trait. You don't know that it can't be passed down from generation to generation. No proof to provide a clear answer. It could be a recessive trait that has a possiblity to be passed on, or it could be a dominate trait that has a greater likelihood to be passed on. You're disagreeing against those who are gay and struggle against people like you, then make wrong statements like that. Sad.

It can't be. The trait would die out because the HS wouldn't have kids thus ending the sick cycle.

:headbang:

They're fun!

Thanks for helping it along, btw. =)

It's the first time I've bothered to properly post in a homosexuality thread in ages...usually I just post one or two things, get bored (having seen it all about a million times before) and go and find another topic.

ya god created everything, but it doesnt mean he cant take a stand on it


Aside from the Ten Commandments, tell me where God has actually made a stand on anything.

It can't be. The trait would die out because the HS wouldn't have kids thus ending the sick cycle.

:headbang:

This clearly proves that it is a choice as I have previously described.

It can't be. The trait would die out because the HS wouldn't have kids thus ending the sick cycle.

:headbang:
Bang your head until the traits fall out.

oh really, show me where ive insulted someone for not believing in God

You insulted people for no agreeing with incorrect understanding of the bible. That's for certain. You pretty much insulted everyone basically you insulted everyone for knowing the Bible better than you.

and i say blow me.

what the hell? did you even read the thing? even part of it? the bible does not condone any of those things, in any part. so when you actually read the book and know what it is your talking about, then you can come in here and preach about pick and choosing what to follow and all that jazz.

ummmmmmmmmm.......ure a moron. Sons of Tarsonis, i ripped off from Starcraft cause i was bored i joined this lovely site. and blow me is a figure of speach.

thats what logic and physics tell you, but couldnt the creator of logic and physics bend the rules?

No, god works by logic. He made us in his image, and we use logic, therefore god must operate by logic.

ya god created everything, but it doesnt mean he cant take a stand on it

Oh the irony... god is such a juxtaposition...

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Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god

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Originally Posted by Scotish wow players
but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes


If God is truly infinite, he would encompass ALL opinions simultaneously, and holding ALL opinions is the same as holding none (they cancel each other out). So anyone who claims God is infinite, then limits him to one opinion about homosexuality is limiting God, and by doing so making him NOT God.
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im not limiting him to an opion merely stating that he COULD make/have an opinion. if god is infinite that why does he lack the ability to take sides? if he doesnt have that then hes not infinite and there for could form opions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotish wow players
but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes


If God is truly infinite, he would encompass ALL opinions simultaneously, and holding ALL opinions is the same as holding none (they cancel each other out). So anyone who claims God is infinite, then limits him to one opinion about homosexuality is limiting God, and by doing so making him NOT God.
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im not limiting him to an opion merely stating that he COULD make/have an opinion. if god is infinite that why does he lack the ability to take sides? if he doesnt have that then hes not infinite and there for could form opions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotish wow players
but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes


If God is truly infinite, he would encompass ALL opinions simultaneously, and holding ALL opinions is the same as holding none (they cancel each other out). So anyone who claims God is infinite, then limits him to one opinion about homosexuality is limiting God, and by doing so making him NOT God.
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im not limiting him to an opion merely stating that he COULD make/have an opinion. if god is infinite that why does he lack the ability to take sides? if he doesnt have that then hes not infinite and there for could form opions

I love you.

That makes me all warm and tingly. Thank you! :fluffle:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotish wow players
but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes


If God is truly infinite, he would encompass ALL opinions simultaneously, and holding ALL opinions is the same as holding none (they cancel each other out). So anyone who claims God is infinite, then limits him to one opinion about homosexuality is limiting God, and by doing so making him NOT God.
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im not limiting him to an opion merely stating that he COULD make/have an opinion. if god is infinite that why does he lack the ability to take sides? if he doesnt have that then hes not infinite and there for could form opions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotish wow players
but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes


If God is truly infinite, he would encompass ALL opinions simultaneously, and holding ALL opinions is the same as holding none (they cancel each other out). So anyone who claims God is infinite, then limits him to one opinion about homosexuality is limiting God, and by doing so making him NOT God.
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im not limiting him to an opion merely stating that he COULD make/have an opinion. if god is infinite that why does he lack the ability to take sides? if he doesnt have that then hes not infinite and there for could form opions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotish wow players
but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes


If God is truly infinite, he would encompass ALL opinions simultaneously, and holding ALL opinions is the same as holding none (they cancel each other out). So anyone who claims God is infinite, then limits him to one opinion about homosexuality is limiting God, and by doing so making him NOT God.
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im not limiting him to an opion merely stating that he COULD make/have an opinion. if god is infinite that why does he lack the ability to take sides? if he doesnt have that then hes not infinite and there for could form opions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt Sam
truly infinite being would be without opinions as well, for example opinions on homosexuals.

Given that people say God has a stance on homosexuals, they are limiting god, therefor - he is not really god

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotish wow players
but if god is an infinite being than why could he not form his own opions?
he is a diety and can do whatever the @#$% he likes


If God is truly infinite, he would encompass ALL opinions simultaneously, and holding ALL opinions is the same as holding none (they cancel each other out). So anyone who claims God is infinite, then limits him to one opinion about homosexuality is limiting God, and by doing so making him NOT God.
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im not limiting him to an opion merely stating that he COULD make/have an opinion. if god is infinite that why does he lack the ability to take sides? if he doesnt have that then hes not infinite and there for could form opions

So the next time you hear a GLBT person quote the Bible and try to justify themselves, you may want to point them to yet another verse: Genesis 1:27-28. The creation of Adam and Eve. NOT Steve.
You're partly right.
True, it doesn't say Adam and Steve.
However, nor does the original say Adam and Eve.
Actually that was a misspelling.
It actually said Madam and Eve.
God was a perv who fancied watching some hot girl-on-girl action.

It can't be. The trait would die out because the HS wouldn't have kids thus ending the sick cycle.

:headbang:

Good thing there is no such thing as recessive traits or you know siblings and whatnot.

People generally make threads that other people gives a fuck enough about to reply to them. I made a thread on whether a tomato was a fruit or a vegetable and not enough people gave a fuck enough about it.


I am just a little suprised, (and ercked) that there are so many threads about how bad gay people are, on what I thought was a liberal forum, I am not gay, do not know many gay people, and the few I know are no different than anyone else, other than they like cock, but hey, most of my friends that are girls to like cock, in my high school, therer are very few gay ppl. I say fuck religious people, they are all fucking crazy, and fuck all you people who hate the military!!! I am a centrist, I am not fucked up like a liberal, and not fucked up like a conservative.

im not limiting him to an opion merely stating that he COULD make/have an opinion. if god is infinite that why does he lack the ability to take sides? if he doesnt have that then hes not infinite and there for could form opions

First, please wait for your reply to post. The forums are being slow tonight, but if you keep hitting the button, your reply posts 27 times...

Second, please take some time to learn how the quotes work.

Third, you don't need to repost the whole conversation each time, usually just the last prior post so that we all know what you are replying to. In that instance, just hit the little thing that says "quote" at the bottom right corner of the post you are replying to, then write your response in the message box below what shows up there.

Thanks.

OK... in response, He doesn't lack the ability to take sides, but, in fact, takes all sides at once if he is infinite. So he may take the anti-homosexual side, but he also takes the pro-homosexual side. If he doesn't, then he is not infinite.

Way to use examples from 180 and 90 years, respectively, after the US was founded to show what basis it was founded on.

Funny how I, as someone from Northern Ireland, knows more accurately the history of the US...than someone from the US.


Funny, but in light of his other posts, hardly surprising.
Actually, I believe "under God" wasn't even added to the Pledge of Allegiance until the 1940s or 50s...

Actually, I believe "under God" wasn't even added to the Pledge of Allegiance until the 1940s or 50s...
God felt he wasn't getting enough props.

I am just a little suprised, (and ercked) that there are so many threads about how bad gay people are, on what I thought was a liberal forum, I am not gay, do not know many gay people, and the few I know are no different than anyone else, other than they like cock, but hey, most of my friends that are girls to like cock, in my high school, therer are very few gay ppl. I say fuck religious people, they are all fucking crazy, and fuck all you people who hate the military!!! I am a centrist, I am not fucked up like a liberal, and not fucked up like a conservative.

Well, as it happens, the vast majority of us posting here at the moment are quite firmly PRO-gay. There have been some sarcastic posts, and some playing of devils advocate in this thread, but there are a bunch of us liberals hanging about, you will find.

And all that fuck fuck fuck is a little excessive. Perhaps you dislike certain people, but shouting obscenities at them is unlikely to get your point heard. I, for one, agree with you about homosexuals, but don't think all religious people are crazy. I am not at all a fan of the military, am quite liberal but not fucked up because of it, and don't think all conservatives are either.

As an ordained minister I apologize for all the crazy people.

No, god works by logic. He made us in his image, and we use logic, therefore god must operate by logic.

If God worked by logic he would disappear in a puff of logic because he once said he required no proof but the existance of all these improbable things and his works are proof of God. God agrees and suddenly disappeared in a puff of logic.

God is beyond all such things, essentially he is, excuse the pun, Godmoding.

God felt he wasn't getting enough props.
Actually, God could care less about the activities of some primitive life-forms in an insignificant corner of the universe mainly concerned with their own day-to-day dealings... this was firmly the work of the rearing monster we call the Religious Right (tm).

God felt he wasn't getting enough props.

I work in theatre, I can get God all the props he wants. Currently, I have a set of props for Romeo and Juliet in the works, so if God needs a fake sword or a bottle of poison, have him give me a call and tell him to leave America alone for a while... he has done enough damage there for the time being.

:p

As an ordained minister I apologize for all the crazy people.



If God worked by logic he would disappear in a puff of logic because he once said he required no proof but the existance of all these improbable things and his works are proof of God. God agrees and suddenly disappeared in a puff of logic.

God is beyond all such things, essentially he is, excuse the pun, Godmoding.

Errr... well, logically... he may not require proof, but that doesn't mean he couldn't survive proof. :p

Of course, I like the little picture in my head of God sitting at a table in a cafe with Descartes, who, when asked if he wanted dessert said "I think not" and disappeared in a puff of logic himself... then God realizing HIS logical non-existance puffing out too, leaving a confused waiter holding the unpaid check.

lol some proof the bible supports gays

three times in the bible jesus says "get thee behind me satan" hehehe

All... no... most of you are filthy, lying scum.

...No.

Two verses in the Bible are not going to change gay people. Guess who the Bible was written by? MEN. Why? 2000 years ago in a homosexual relationships, somebody would be treated as a woman, which was very degrading in those times. (And no, the Bible does not condone sexism either, did Jesus discriminate against Mary Magdalene?)

And Jesus did say in one verse that it didn't matter if you were male or female or straight or gay, we're all one in Him. I think it's in Romans too.


And by the way, yes, God did create Adam and Eve. Then when mankind evolved, He created another Adam and created Steve too. It just wasn't in the Bible.

And if homosexuality is a human-only choice, how are animals gay, hmm? Something tells me that God didn't intend for homosexuality to be a sin.


umm animals arnt gay (if u stuck a female animal and a male animal in a pen in front of a male animal he would choose the female over the male) and he did mean it as a sin...just u choosing it or not is one of the tests that you face on earth

Well, as it happens, the vast majority of us posting here at the moment are quite firmly PRO-gay. There have been some sarcastic posts, and some playing of devils advocate in this thread, but there are a bunch of us liberals hanging about, you will find.

And all that fuck fuck fuck is a little excessive. Perhaps you dislike certain people, but shouting obscenities at them is unlikely to get your point heard. I, for one, agree with you about homosexuals, but don't think all religious people are crazy. I am not at all a fan of the military, am quite liberal but not fucked up because of it, and don't think all conservatives are either.

Perhaps my swearing could be toned down a bit, but that was really not the point, I like the word fuck, it has many different uses, it could be used a a describing word (damn that bitch is fucking fine...) could be used in sexual terms (baby.. bend over because I want to fuck you) could be used in anger (OUCH that fucking hurt) or (dude, im gonna fucking kill you)


As you can see, fuck is a very good word, you should try using it more often!

I'm sick of these pink flamingos with their social engineering agenda who want to indoctrinate children in schools with their repugnant homosexual propaganda. They need to be given their own land, as the Jews were given Israel, so they can go there and play dress-up, leaving the rest of us to live in peace.

I work in theatre, I can get God all the props he wants. Currently, I have a set of props for Romeo and Juliet in the works, so if God needs a fake sword or a bottle of poison, have him give me a call and tell him to leave America alone for a while... he has done enough damage there for the time being.

:p
God Demands a Knifey thing where the blade collapses into the handle!

All... no... most of you are filthy, lying scum.
This is the goddamn Internet. What the hell did you expect? Some hippy love circle?

Then again, the pot and the scantily clad women believing in free love makes the above rather alluring.

I'm sick of these pink flamingos with their social engineering agenda who want to indoctrinate children in schools with their repugnant homosexual propaganda. They need to be given their own land, as the Jews were given Israel, so they can go there and play dress-up, leaving the rest of us to live in peace.
Are you a real person?

umm animals arnt gay (if u stuck a female animal and a male animal in a pen in front of a male animal he would choose the female over the male) and he did mean it as a sin...just u choosing it or not is one of the tests that you face on earth
Bonobos.

God Demands a Knifey thing where the blade collapses into the handle!
You mean a switch blade? I grant one unto thee, mere mortal.

Are you a real person?
Well, assuming the faerie's promise comes true, he will be. Just as soon as he gets rid of those donkey ears.

Perhaps my swearing could be toned down a bit, but that was really not the point, I like the word fuck, it has many different uses, it could be used a a describing word (damn that bitch is fucking fine...) could be used in sexual terms (baby.. bend over because I want to fuck you) could be used in anger (OUCH that fucking hurt) or (dude, im gonna fucking kill you)


As you can see, fuck is a very good word, you should try using it more often!

Fuck no, not me, no fucking way!






Oh shit.




:p

umm animals arnt gay (if u stuck a female animal and a male animal in a pen in front of a male animal he would choose the female over the male) and he did mean it as a sin...just u choosing it or not is one of the tests that you face on earth

Technically speaking, animals is too broad a definition. The animals that we suspect have sex for pleasure have been discovered engaging in homosexual relations. We can even observe flies with a bit of chemical tweaking humping away at a fellow male. Many of the Old World Monkeys do it, and so do dolphins.

Also, interpreting the Bible literally at some parts and then metaphorically in others is somewhat hypocritical. With Leviticus we should all be locked away for some time and sacrificing doves and turtles left and right.

You mean a switch blade? I grant one unto thee, mere mortal.
God doesn't want to hurt anybody.... God just likes to play Robin Hood Prince of Thieves from time to time. God likes Kevin Costner.

Bonobos.
Have you read De Waals book?

Originally Posted by Upper Botswavia
"""""Well, as it happens, the vast majority of us posting here at the moment are quite firmly PRO-gay. There have been some sarcastic posts, and some playing of devils advocate in this thread, but there are a bunch of us liberals hanging about, you will find.

And all that fuck fuck fuck is a little excessive. Perhaps you dislike certain people, but shouting obscenities at them is unlikely to get your point heard. I, for one, agree with you about homosexuals, but don't think all religious people are crazy. I am not at all a fan of the military, am quite liberal but not fucked up because of it, and don't think all conservatives are either. """""


Perhaps my swearing could be toned down a bit, but that was really not the point, I like the word fuck, it has many different uses, it could be used a a describing word (damn that bitch is fucking fine...) could be used in sexual terms (baby.. bend over because I want to fuck you) could be used in anger (OUCH that fucking hurt) or (dude, im gonna fucking kill you)


As you can see, fuck is a very good word, you should try using it more often!


oops.......

God doesn't want to hurt anybody.... God just likes to play Robin Hood Prince of Thieves from time to time. God likes Kevin Costner.

After we've seen the charlie foxtrot that quantum physics is and the fact that the Wayans brothers are still producing movies, I'd feel God would fancy a more surreal movie like Robin Hood: Men in Tights, or History of the World: Part I.

God doesn't want to hurt anybody.... God just likes to play Robin Hood Prince of Thieves from time to time. God likes Kevin Costner.
Actually, I like to hurt people; it amuses me as a God, as the common bigot is no longer amusing after a long day of answering the endless, mindless prayers that I get in my Holy Inbox. I also find Kevin Costner boring... and Tom Cruise needs to come out of the closet.

umm animals arnt gay (if u stuck a female animal and a male animal in a pen in front of a male animal he would choose the female over the male) and he did mean it as a sin...just u choosing it or not is one of the tests that you face on earth


Unless, as sometimes happens, the animal happens to be homosexual. And then he WOULD chose the male animal. This seems most often to happen in the species where animals mate for life in patterns similar to human mating patterns.

There ARE homosexual animals, do your research.

As to the rest, sin is just a matter of opinion, and in my life, my opinion counts for more than yours does, just as in your life, your opinion counts for more. But only in your life.

Have you read De Waals book?
Probably not. What's it called?

God Demands a Knifey thing where the blade collapses into the handle!

Done.

Want it to have a bladder in it God can fill with fake blood so when he stabs someone and the blade collapses he can then squeeze fake blood everywhere and REALLY freak people out?

Actually, I like to hurt people; it amuses me as a God, as the common bigot is no longer amusing after a long day of answering the endless, mindless prayers that I get in my Holy Inbox. I also find Kevin Costner boring... and Tom Cruise needs to come out of the closet.

And the whole Scientology set up marriage. It is all a sham to ensure that their poster boy doesn't look gay. And Scientology, what is up with that?

And the whole Scientology set up marriage. It is all a sham to ensure that their poster boy doesn't look gay. And Scientology, what is up with that?
You know that their poster boy is gay? That child is actually produced from a special one night stand with a man who actually looks like he's not Katie's father.

Scientology... ah.. delusional are some humans. They actually think aliens exists? It's cute...

Done.

Want it to have a bladder in it God can fill with fake blood so when he stabs someone and the blade collapses he can then squeeze fake blood everywhere and REALLY freak people out?
God loves this idea. He's really all over it. He'll have his people call your people.

Here's a novel concept: How about both sides stop using a collection of faery tales written by desert natives with sunstroke as reference material?


Seriously kids, it's FICTION

Probably not. What's it called?
Our Inner Ape. It was really fantastic.

I'm sick of these pink flamingos with their social engineering agenda who want to indoctrinate children in schools with their repugnant homosexual propaganda. They need to be given their own land, as the Jews were given Israel, so they can go there and play dress-up, leaving the rest of us to live in peace.

You want to play dress-up?

I'm sick of these pink flamingos with their social engineering agenda who want to indoctrinate children in schools with their repugnant homosexual propaganda. They need to be given their own land, as the Jews were given Israel, so they can go there and play dress-up, leaving the rest of us to live in peace.

Is it just me, or did this make all of you burst into fits of giggles.

Even if Isochronous actually MEANT it, it is too silly to warrant a real reply.

Probably not. What's it called?

He has written a few:
Our Inner Ape

The Ape and the Sushi Master: Cultural Reflections of a Primatologist

Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape

Good Natured : The Origins of Right and Wrong in Humans and Other Animals

Tree of Origin : What Primate Behavior Can Tell Us about Human Social Evolution

Chimpanzee Politics : Power and Sex among Apes
*highly recommend*

Peacemaking among Primates
*highly recommend*

My Family Album : Thirty Years of Primate Photography by Frans de Waal

Primates and Philosophers : How Morality Evolved (The University Center for Human Values Series) by Frans de Waal, Stephen Macedo, and Josiah Ober

He has written many things but the above can be found in bookstores ore ordered......

God loves this idea. He's really all over it. He'll have his people call your people.

And the really cool thing to do, after God has used it a couple of times and people go "Oh, here comes that fake knife with the blood in it again" is to fill it with bright GREEN fake blood instead of red.

But NEVER on stage during a show. That would be unprofessional.

Oh, and tell God I can also do fake scars and I know how to make a flash pot if he needs a good harmless explosion some where.

And the whole Scientology set up marriage. It is all a sham to ensure that their poster boy doesn't look gay. And Scientology, what is up with that?

If I remember right, they claim to be able to cure homosexuality.

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be
an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing
odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can
you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme
a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the
whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

And the really cool thing to do, after God has used it a couple of times and people go "Oh, here comes that fake knife with the blood in it again" is to fill it with bright GREEN fake blood instead of red.

But NEVER on stage during a show. That would be unprofessional.

Oh, and tell God I can also do fake scars and I know how to make a flash pot if he needs a good harmless explosion some where.
God says he needs all of this. He's jumping up and down and shouting at me. I really need to get another job. This is nearing abuse.

God says he needs all of this. He's jumping up and down and shouting at me. I really need to get another job. This is nearing abuse.

It'll be ok, really. You tell God that I will send over my catalogue and he can order whatever he wants.

(By the way, your post made me guffaw. Really! And how often do you get guffawed at, I ask you? Probably not nearly as much as you deserve.)

Wow, you're all terrible, I read the first page and was completely disgusted.

The gays and the guy who started the topic.

1) Guy who started topic.

This forum is filled with gay people, and christian haters. What were you thinking?

2) Gay people.

2 post to end of first page. Blind hatred towards christians. The poster did not SAY he was a christian, he just said that he didn't like gays using a certain book and gave a few pieces of text from some book. I could read off a few lines of script from a Family Guy show, but that doesn't mean I watch the show.

Right off the bat, you blame the christians. Because you know, those evil christians are always up to something aren't they? Just like those gays who are always destroying something... hmm... both situations seem kinda similar don't they?

Now for some examples:

I'm sick of Christians using the Bible to justify their hatred.

SECOND POST. Right off the bat, poster blames a group of people for using a book to justify their intolerance.

Not noticing the irony of his OWN intolerance and hatred of a group's life choice (in this case becoming christians)

This is why its time for people to find a new religion

Additional intolerance of a person's life choice.

Hell, I'll raise you one: I'm sick of the Bible altogether.

More of the same.

HeteroAmerica is totally gay for Jesus

Intolerance hidden as irony.

be glad that i never meet you in real life

Translation: I have nothing to support my argument, but if you question me, then I will beat you in real life, which I will never meet you in, so I can say whatever I want without being beaten myself. I am so cool for doing this.

"heteroamerica" people like you make me want to go on a massive killing spree.

How is that any different from someone saying Gay people like you make me want to go on a massive killing spree?

OK, just to be ABSOLUTELY clear on this...this is not just another Gay Discussion topic. This is about gays

Illogical. Contradicts itself.

What I find humorous is, most (probably all) of the people insulting christians (or planning on killing all of a race, similar to a happy fellow about seven decades ago...) think of themselves as good tolerant people. You're not. You're the same as the idiots over at that God hates Fags site.

You both hate the other side, and wish to destroy them. Be it the wrath of a god, or a random killing spree.

And that's my little rant. Now I'll step out of the way, because you're all so fixed in you're ideas of who to hate that nothing will stop you. And in a few posts, I will be insulted as a christian, or as a gay. Most likely as both.

If I remember right, they claim to be able to cure homosexuality.

SEVERAL groups claim that. To date, none have been able to do so, and all have either falsified or omitted data in efforts to prove they can. According to the medical establishment, the best any of them can legitimately claim is a .01% cure rate. And that much only because they all also avoid anything like long term follow up.

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be
an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing
odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can
you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme
a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the
whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
You know, it's commone etiquette to credit to the author of a work when posting the work in full. Otherwise, it's plagarism.

It'll be ok, really. You tell God that I will send over my catalogue and he can order whatever he wants.

(By the way, your post made me guffaw. Really! And how often do you get guffawed at, I ask you? Probably not nearly as much as you deserve.)
You know come to think of it, I don't think this is God I'm working for. I don't think God would need to wear so many ratty overcoats and I never imagined he would smell like sour wine. I think I need to run.

Halfbreed']Wow, you're all terrible, I read the first page and was completely disgusted.

*snip*

What I find humorous is, most (probably all) of the people insulting christians (or planning on killing all of a race, similar to a happy fellow about seven decades ago...) think of themselves as good tolerant people. You're not. You're the same as the idiots over at that God hates Fags site.

You both hate the other side, and wish to destroy them. Be it the wrath of a god, or a random killing spree.

And that's my little rant. Now I'll step out of the way, because you're all so fixed in you're ideas of who to hate that nothing will stop you. And in a few posts, I will be insulted as a christian, or as a gay. Most likely as both.

Meh. I don't care if you are Christian or not, gay or not. And I think you took much of this without the large amount of salt that is the prescribed seasoning for such things.

Yes, some people on both sides of volatile issues say "kill kill kill." Ignore those and move on. The bashing is often very heated in both directions... and I think in this case the first post deserved some bashing (but of course that is just my opinion). The high, verging on almost 100% probability, however, is that none of these posters are going to hunt each other (or anyone else) down. But there you are. I agree, it does get annoying sometimes, but hey, such is life.

You know come to think of it, I don't think this is God I'm working for. I don't think God would need to wear so many ratty overcoats and I never imagined he would smell like sour wine. I think I need to run.

Well, be careful now, after all, if God is infinite, why wouldn't he be wearing an infinite number of ratty overcoats?

And remember, your legs are too short to run from God.

Gays pursuade themselves they're gay, deviating from the natural straight "setting", and then they falsely believe themselves to be attracted to members of the same sex.

Okee... I'm not really sure if this is sarcastic or not, but hey...

*repeats phrase "I am a lesbian" over and over until she truns 15* Nope. Still attracted to guys.

*travels back in time to repeat same phrase over and over since early childhood* Nope. still straight. Am I doing something wrong, or is being gay something you're born with...???

Of course, Nadkor, if you're being sarcastic... ignore all that. :D

Wow. Just wow at this whole thing.

The OP is right. Homosexuality is a sin. Just because Jesus accepts sinners absolutely does not mean that it's right. Rehab centers accept drug addicts - interestingly, they don't smother them with love and tell them to keep right on with their habit. (I'm sure someone lacking in security will find that example offensive).

Jesus, the all-encompassing wonder of lovey-doveyness, used a whip to drive moneymakers out of the temple of God. It's not just about cuddly teddies, people.

I noticed someone saying that somehow the verse from Roman is invalid because Paul wrote it, and we're only supposed to follow Christ. Interestingly, everything we know about Christ was recorded by... someone not Christ. Gee. Take it all or take none of it - trying to disqualify parts you don't like is just pathetic.

And, of course, I'm a homophobe. I understand that if I disaprove of homosexuality, I must be deeply insecure and afraid of it, trying to deny some inner truth. I suppose then that because I disaprove of child sex slavery, I must also be deeply afraid of it, and probably want to abuse some kid deep down inside me. Puhlease. I disagree with homosexuality because I believe it's wrong - end of story.

It's interesting how the entire argument these days centers around the attitudinal bias of those who would judge, instead of whether or not the lifestyle is morally right.

And it really ticks me off when people pull the Christians-don't-judge rubbish out of somewhere. Indeed, Christians aren't meant to judge - but we should call sin for what it is and where it is. :headbang:

Lastly - I love how people like to take the poor behaviour of someone who calls themself a Christian and use it to paint all Christians. If a homosexual rapes someone, does that mean all homosexuals are rapists? One would think not. Yet if a Christian does something sick, then apparently all Christians are effectively devalued.

Of course, Nadkor, if you're being sarcastic... ignore all that. :D

You got it in one! :)

Don't tell Nadkor I gave her up, though... she was having fun.

Wow. Just wow at this whole thing.

The OP is right. Homosexuality is a sin. Just because Jesus accepts sinners absolutely does not mean that it's right. Rehab centers accept drug addicts - interestingly, they don't smother them with love and tell them to keep right on with their habit. (I'm sure someone lacking in security will find that example offensive).

Jesus, the all-encompassing wonder of lovey-doveyness, used a whip to drive moneymakers out of the temple of God. It's not just about cuddly teddies, people.

I noticed someone saying that somehow the verse from Roman is invalid because Paul wrote it, and we're only supposed to follow Christ. Interestingly, everything we know about Christ was recorded by... someone not Christ. Gee. Take it all or take none of it - trying to disqualify parts you don't like is just pathetic.

None of it... works for me.

And, of course, I'm a homophobe. I understand that if I disaprove of homosexuality, I must be deeply insecure and afraid of it, trying to deny some inner truth. I suppose then that because I disaprove of child sex slavery, I must also be deeply afraid of it, and probably want to abuse some kid deep down inside me. Puhlease. I disagree with homosexuality because I believe it's wrong - end of story.

OK. I believe you are wrong, but you are free to believe homosexuality is wrong if you want. I am not even going to ask WHY you believe it is wrong as it would, without a doubt, be a waste of time for both of us to pursue it. You know what you believe, I know what I believe. We are both right, actually, since those beliefs are our own business. When, however, you try to legislate others based on those beliefs, we have to talk.

It's interesting how the entire argument these days centers around the attitudinal bias of those who would judge, instead of whether or not the lifestyle is morally right.

When you are discussing morality, you are absolutely discussing the attitudinal bias of those who are judging. Morals are your own, personal guidelines, and yours are different than mine. The minute you try to force your moral code on me, then you are in the wrong. You can preach all you want about it, but it is not your right to force others to live by your morals and, as such, the argument DOES center on you, not me.

And it really ticks me off when people pull the Christians-don't-judge rubbish out of somewhere. Indeed, Christians aren't meant to judge - but we should call sin for what it is and where it is. :headbang:

But... according to YOUR set of rules, judging IS a sin. And since they are YOUR rules, the ones YOU are supposed to be following, and not MY rules, it means nothing to me (well, other than it is rather offensive to hear) if you say I am sinning, but it IS a sin if YOU are breaking the rules. Once again, you cannot force me to live by your rules... but you should live by them.

Lastly - I love how people like to take the poor behaviour of someone who calls themself a Christian and use it to paint all Christians. If a homosexual rapes someone, does that mean all homosexuals are rapists? One would think not. Yet if a Christian does something sick, then apparently all Christians are effectively devalued.

Ummm... no... not all Christians say that homosexuality is a sin. Those that do, offend.

I'm sick of these pink flamingos with their social engineering agenda who want to indoctrinate children in schools with their repugnant homosexual propaganda. They need to be given their own land, as the Jews were given Israel, so they can go there and play dress-up, leaving the rest of us to live in peace.

you, my dear, come across not only as a homophobe but also an anti-Semite. Impressive for a 2 sentence post.

I never get how people can live with themselves on hating so many people when the Bible says the total opposite. Sure, Homosexuality may be a sin, but when did it say to insult and be 110% cruel to the homosexuals. It's so sad to see us Christians turning into hypocrites every day...

You shouldn't use one small tiny piece of something to prove yourself right when something later totally contradicts your idea. You can dislike homosexuals all you want, but think before you go flaming them and saying they'll burn in hell fire and be totally slaughtered or something. It's a choice, and only person that can really change that is him and God.

You picked a book of arbitrary rules. What makes the Bible better than the Koran (or is it Quran) or the PGA rules for that matter.


OK, just to be ABSOLUTELY clear on this...this is not just another Gay Discussion topic. This is about gays (mis)using the Bible to justify their perversion.

Let's start with one argument

GAY: Didn't Jesus teach acceptance of all peoples?
God-Fearing/Loving Hetero (GFLH): Yes, BUT, regardless, a sinner is still a sinner, whether or not he is accepted by everyone

GAY: Sin? What sin?
GFLH: Romans 1:27

For anyone that doesn't have a Bible around (which may be many), Romans 1:27 reads as follows:
...In the same way men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other, and as a result they bring upon themselves punishment which they deserve for their wrongdoing.

So the next time you hear a GLBT person quote the Bible and try to justify themselves, you may want to point them to yet another verse: Genesis 1:27-28. The creation of Adam and Eve. NOT Steve.

TROLLS .. all of you !!!!!..
i have no problem w/ gay ppl .. let the use the stupid bible if they want to ...
what they do behind closed doors is their business
it should not bother you one bit!

Halfbreed']This forum is filled with gay people, and christian haters. What were you thinking?

Hypocrite. People can disagree with Christians without hating them. Why do you assume? You accuse people on the first page of making assumptions or generalizing and... you did it too. Shocking.

Meanwhile, you avoid all of the actual and excellent arguments being made by Christians regarding the OP. Or are any Christians who disagree with the OP Christian haters too?

And another thing why do people pick and choose the rules they like from the Bible ...They are quick to condem the Gay folk to Hell but where are they when you need to stone an obstinant child or kill you neighbor for wearing a blended wool suit or for working on the Sabbath.





OK, snip

None of it... works for me.

And hence we don't agree. Simple enough.

OK. I believe you are wrong, but you are free to believe homosexuality is wrong if you want. I am not even going to ask WHY you believe it is wrong as it would, without a doubt, be a waste of time for both of us to pursue it. You know what you believe, I know what I believe. We are both right, actually, since those beliefs are our own business. When, however, you try to legislate others based on those beliefs, we have to talk.

At last, someone with some common sense. The principle of Christianity as choice, and you can choose to do what you want.

When you are discussing morality, you are absolutely discussing the attitudinal bias of those who are judging. Morals are your own, personal guidelines, and yours are different than mine. The minute you try to force your moral code on me, then you are in the wrong. You can preach all you want about it, but it is not your right to force others to live by your morals and, as such, the argument DOES center on you, not me.

True in some respects. However, the "homophobe" concept has the calculated effect of dismissing all opinion on a bias basis - it doesn't allow for simply believing something in wrong. My point is that non-homophobic opposition to homosexuality is quite possible. "Homophobe" paints the target as merely an irrational bigot.

But... according to YOUR set of rules, judging IS a sin. And since they are YOUR rules, the ones YOU are supposed to be following, and not MY rules, it means nothing to me (well, other than it is rather offensive to hear) if you say I am sinning, but it IS a sin if YOU are breaking the rules. Once again, you cannot force me to live by your rules... but you should live by them.

Wrong. Judging is not the same as identifying. When I say something against homosexuality, I'm not judging your moral standing, I'm speaking against something the Bible clearly identifies as a sin. It's an entirely different thing.

Ummm... no... not all Christians say that homosexuality is a sin. Those that do, offend.

And those who don't, quite frankly, are following a religion that, at the very least, is warped from its namesake.

Funny how it seems to be ok to call all Christians racist bigots - but goodness forbid we say homosexuality is wrong. Everyone gets offended :eek:

Here's a novel concept: How about both sides stop using a collection of faery tales written by desert natives with sunstroke as reference material?


Seriously kids, it's FICTION

you spelled faerie (fairy) wrong...

But i am in complete agreement with you !

what about stoners using the bible?

once we used a page in the bible to roll a joint.

does that makes us [insert obvious joke here]'s?

And hence we don't agree. Simple enough.

At last, someone with some common sense. The principle of Christianity as choice, and you can choose to do what you want.

I don't mind the "agree to disagree" standpoint at all... :) If you are trying to slip in "homosexuality is a choice" at the end there, I am going to speak up and disagree... but we just agreed it is ok to do that.


True in some respects. However, the "homophobe" concept has the calculated effect of dismissing all opinion on a bias basis - it doesn't allow for simply believing something in wrong. My point is that non-homophobic opposition to homosexuality is quite possible. "Homophobe" paints the target as merely an irrational bigot.

And what I was saying was that if you want to discuss the morality of something, you need to understand that it is the morality of that issue IN YOUR LIFE. When you talk about morality in MY life, you have changed playing fields, and the rules are different.

As to the "homophobe" label, the big problem is that there has yet to be an argument presented against homosexuality that does NOT make the person so arguing seem an irrational bigot. Basing it on the Bible doesn't hold water, since that is a completely arbitrary set of rules that don't apply to non-believers, and so trying to force those rules on others is irrational and bigotted. If you don't like homosexuality, don't be one. But once you try to force that on others (or preach against those others and call them names like sinner), you step right into the role of homophobe. Homosexuals are not telling you that heterosexuality is wrong. If you stop telling them that homosexuality is wrong, then you will NOT be labelled a homophobe.


Wrong. Judging is not the same as identifying. When I say something against homosexuality, I'm not judging your moral standing, I'm speaking against something the Bible clearly identifies as a sin. It's an entirely different thing.

How is "speaking against...a sin" not judging moral standing. You say that homosexuality is a sin, and homosexuals are sinners. That is judging them to be immoral BASED ON YOUR CODE. Yes, you have identified a behavior, but the moment you put a moral value on it, and on others who do it, you have judged them, by the very definition of judging as presented in that passage in the bible. And it doesn't matter that the bible says it is a sin. If you believe it is a sin, don't do it. The minute you tell others what they do is a sin, you are judging them.


And those who don't, quite frankly, are following a religion that, at the very least, is warped from its namesake.

Funny how it seems to be ok to call all Christians racist bigots - but goodness forbid we say homosexuality is wrong. Everyone gets offended :eek:

Many Christians would argue that Jesus defined Christianity with two rules... 1) Love the Lord your God with all your strength and heart and mind. 2) Love your neighbor as yourself. As I recall, he went on to say that on these two laws rested everything else. It seems that Christians who do those two things first, and leave the condemning of sinners to God are more Christian than many others who... well... do otherwise.

I certainly did not call all Christians racist bigots. Some are, some aren't. And some are homophobes. You can say anything you want, and yes, people will get offended if you do. Just as you are offended when people call you homophobes. You think homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuals think homophobia is just as bad. If you want them to stop calling YOU names, stop calling THEM names. If you never again say that homosexuals are sinners, I will never again call you a homophobe. Deal?

what about stoners using the bible?

once we used a page in the bible to roll a joint.

does that makes us [insert obvious joke here]'s?

[obvious joke] = high? :p

Or was that too obvious?

[obvious joke] = high? :p

Or was that too obvious?

holy rollers lol - well yours is good too

And those who don't, quite frankly, are following a religion that, at the very least, is warped from its namesake.:


Perhaps not warped so much as evolved. I mean, clearly religion has evolved over the centuries.

I mean, not all Christians believe in the same things at all. Catholic believe Communion is literally the body and blood of Christ (transsubstantiation sp?), most protestants disagree. Some Christians believe in predetermination (I think thats what its called, that its already predetermined whether someone will be "saved", ie Calvinists). Some Christians don't allow for the drinking of alcohol (how it is these sects of Christianity retain any believers is beyond me). Mormons used to believe in polygamy. They probably are not all correct. Some Christians believe homosexuality is just another thing to make some people beautifully different from others.

Funny how it seems to be ok to call all Christians racist bigots - but goodness forbid we say homosexuality is wrong. Everyone gets offended :eek:

No, your right, gross generalizations are wrong, and it is far better to say that homosexuality is wrong or Christianity is wrong than to condemn Christians or homosexuals.

To the OP: your hypothetical conversation labeled the "mis"quoter of the bible as GLBT. I would kindly appreciate it if you would add the A for Ally, since one does not need to be gay lesbian bisexual or transgender to disapprove of attacks against homosexuals made via religion.

holy rollers lol - well yours is good too


LOL... the obvious obvious joke was apparently TOO obvious, because I was just going to say "I must be sleepy because I can't figure out what YOURS is" then I hit quote and got the [COLOR="white... thing and now I know and feel somewhat like an idiot.

I once spent a rainy afternoon in Philly tossing paper airplanes made from bible pages out a 14th floor hotel room window. Not the same, but certainly as silly as what you did. And we were careful to pick the passages we didn't like so that the next person in the room would at least still have some of the less offensive pages to read, which we felt was very thoughtful of us.

I once spent a rainy afternoon in Philly tossing paper airplanes made from bible pages out a 14th floor hotel room window. Not the same, but certainly as silly as what you did. And we were careful to pick the passages we didn't like so that the next person in the room would at least still have some of the less offensive pages to read, which we felt was very thoughtful of us.

I got in trouble once for blacking out the passage that says "wives be submissive to your husbands". Because the paper was real thin, it bled thru and blacked out some passages on other pages, too. I dont care. I dont ever plan on being submissive to any husband. Unless its in a kinky way....

Well, I'm sick of trolls using the message boards!

Oh come on.

I mean, Jesus? What'd he do? Surrounded himself with a bunch of guys, that's what.

Well, if it's good enough for him..

That's his lookout, I like the ladies, myself.

Well, I'm sick of trolls using the message boards!

Who us? Here we are talking about harmless ways to pass rainy afternoons. How is that trolling???

I got in trouble once for blacking out the passage that says "wives be submissive to your husbands". Because the paper was real thin, it bled thru and blacked out some passages on other pages, too. I dont care. I dont ever plan on being submissive to any husband. Unless its in a kinky way....

Damn straight, good for you! :)

Who us? Here we are talking about harmless ways to pass rainy afternoons. How is that trolling???

I may be wrong but i think he was replying to the OP being sick of Gays using the Bible.

I like to pass rainy afternoons with soup and television, and a boy, if one can be scrounged up.

Damn straight, good for you! :)

Aww thanks!

Hey, look, one more post, and I'll have as many posts as you do. Cool!

Now we have the same amount of posts. Pretty Sweet. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Who us? Here we are talking about harmless ways to pass rainy afternoons. How is that trolling???

I actually meant the OP, not you.

I may be wrong but i think he was replying to the OP being sick of Gays using the Bible.

I like to pass rainy afternoons with soup and television, and a boy, if one can be scrounged up.

You must train the boy to bring the soup and turn on the television. And, when necessary, make it rain. And make it afternoon, I suppose.

:)

I actually meant the OP, not you.


(I actually got that, but was trying to be silly.:p )

I actually meant the OP, not you.
Hurrah!

You must train the boy to bring the soup and turn on the television. And, when necessary, make it rain. And make it afternoon, I suppose.

:)

Training boys is just so difficult.

I suppose if we turned on the shower itd sorta be like rain. Altho, i have a feeling if we did that we'd forget all about the soup and television.

Anyway, I dont mind making soup, and thats why God (or some inventor somewhere) made remote controls. It is far more important the boy be able to give massages

Training boys is just so difficult.

I suppose if we turned on the shower itd sorta be like rain. Altho, i have a feeling if we did that we'd forget all about the soup and television.

Anyway, I dont mind making soup, and thats why God (or some inventor somewhere) made remote controls. It is far more important the boy be able to give massages

Oh, send him over here for a few days... I'll get him trained right for you.

:)

Oh, send him over here for a few days... I'll get him trained right for you.

:)
:p *jumps with glee* okay, sounds good. As soon as i scrounge one up, i'll send him over. Just dont bother training him about that shower thing. I've got that covered.

Oops! I was holding my mind, and it just fell into the gutter :eek:
I suppose i should probably pick it up, dust it off, and go to sleep.

Goodnight.

:p *jumps with glee* okay, sounds good. As soon as i scrounge one up, i'll send him over. Just dont bother training him about that shower thing. I've got that covered.

Oops! I was holding my mind, and it just fell into the gutter :eek:
I suppose i should probably pick it up, dust it off, and go to sleep.

Goodnight.

Me too... goodnight!

Well, according to the Bible I could stone sinners and kill people for wronging me. As well, the Bible does forbid coveting another person’s wive.

I'm sick of Gays using the Bible to trick me into sex.

Now we have the same amount of posts. Pretty Sweet. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:


Huh. Not sure how I got this many posts to tell the truth. I think this is a personal record...

I'm sick of Gays using the Bible to trick me into sex.

i'm probably just tired but, huh?

I don't think gays or lesbian have to justify themselves for being what they are. Just if you are deeply religious can you try to fit both things. But in general, all religions, at least the stupid monothestic ones hate homosexuality, as long as they try to control sexuality in general to keep the sheeps controlled.

So, being coherent, a strongly christian gay has to accept he's a sinner or give up this religion, not the faith. Are quite different things. I think is quite silly triying to fit a circle into a square.

I don't think gays or lesbian have to justify themselves for being what they are. Just if you are deeply religious can you try to fit both things. But in general, all religions, at least the stupid monothestic ones hate homosexuality, as long as they try to control sexuality in general to keep the sheeps controlled.

So, being coherent, a strongly christian gay has to accept he's a sinner or give up this religion, not the faith. Are quite different things. I think is quite silly triying to fit a circle into a square.

i completely agree with you, but just as an aside, circles can fit into squares if they're small enough. but seriously, i am in total agreement with the argument.

You're an ass.
Explain why the hell it is wrong to be gay... please.
Cause I dont get it.
:upyours:
:mad:
:headbang:




I endorse:
:fluffle:

You're an ass.
Explain why the hell it is wrong to be gay... please.
Cause I dont get it.
:upyours:
:mad:
:headbang:




I endorse:
:fluffle:

you should join the flufflefest a couple of threads away from here!

Im sick and tired of dwarves and midgets using the bible to see above the steering wheel. Especially bean eating midgets and dwarves. It just aint right and proper. Why cant they just use phone books or elevator britches?

and yeah, i don't get what's srong with being gay either. some of my friends are gay, they're some of the best people i know! i don't see anything wrong with them.

You're an ass.
Explain why the hell it is wrong to be gay... please.
Cause I dont get it.
:upyours:
:mad:
:headbang:




I endorse:
:fluffle:
Did you even read the original post?

This is not a thread about the morality of homosexuality, it is about whether the bible can be used as a justification for homosexuality.

The problem is that the bible is so full of contradictions you can make it say anything you want by citing passages.

Above all:
Chill out dude.

so, there's this story in the bible in the book of first kings i believe, where the hero david and the other hero johnathan "love each other as their own souls," and they seem to do a lot of that in the entire book, and they even *gasp* kiss each other to show their "love" for each other, cuz they don't want the other one to get hurt. kinda kinky and scandalous don't ya think? what does heteroamerica say to that, i wonder?

so, there's this story in the bible in the book of first kings i believe, where the hero david and the other hero johnathan "love each other as their own souls," and they seem to do a lot of that in the entire book, and they even *gasp* kiss each other to show their "love" for each other, cuz they don't want the other one to get hurt. kinda kinky and scandalous don't ya think? what does heteroamerica say to that, i wonder?
Wow. Way to take a passage out of context and misrepresent the actions of the characters. Maybe you'll fool a few whiny teenagers. Congratulations.

Wow. Way to take a passage out of context and misrepresent the actions of the characters. Maybe you'll fool a few whiny teenagers. Congratulations.
It isn't out of context. You might want to read the book. It's blatant that they're lovers.

Wow. Way to take a passage out of context and misrepresent the actions of the characters. Maybe you'll fool a few whiny teenagers. Congratulations.

i'm sorry, i don't really have my bible handy as i'm in the basement right now, so i couldn't really check and give actual quotes, but i thought i remembered the general gist. apparently, my long-term memory has failed me yet again. anyway, i wasn't trying to take a stance with that comment, just asking opinions. sorry for failing.:(

It isn't out of context. You might want to read the book. It's blatant that they're lovers.

oh perhaps i can remember some stuff after all. thanx, CthulhuFhtagn!!!

:fluffle:

i'm sorry, i don't really have my bible handy as i'm in the basement right now, so i couldn't really check and give actual quotes, but i thought i remembered the general gist. apparently, my long-term memory has failed me yet again. anyway, i wasn't trying to take a stance with that comment, just asking opinions. sorry for failing.:(

A Real Christian has a Bible in the basement.

A Real Christian has a Bible in the basement.

hahaha! i would but all of my boxes are not yet unpacked! and anyway it's 3:48 in the morning, i'm not really going to search for a bible just to prove a point i know i have! also, i have to get ready for a road trip in about 10 minutes, so i wanted to say what i had to say fast.

For anyone that doesn't have a Bible around (which may be many), Romans 1:27 reads as follows:
...In the same way men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other, and as a result they bring upon themselves punishment which they deserve for their wrongdoing.There is of course a clear and simple reason why this verse does not apply to gay men (let alone women, almost nothing in the bible applies to women). Gays generally never had 'natural sexual relations' with women in the first place, and you can't give up something you never had.

There is of course a clear and simple reason why this verse does not apply to gay men (let alone women, almost nothing in the bible applies to women). Gays generally never had 'natural sexual relations' with women in the first place, and you can't give up something you never had.

hahaha! way to go, damor! and with that, i bid you all, good night! or morning...

I love how threads about homosexuality get so many post so quickly. Always a guaranteed 300+ reply thread.

How incredibly true, but to get back to the original point: if christianity rejects homosexuality, then why the hell would homosexuals point to the christian's holy book for justification?

The two seem to be mutually exclusive on a philosophical basis, so to forward the original post, don't even bother with trying to justify yourself to the Christian faith, they're just as clueless to the absolute truths of life as the rest of us (hence their belief in a higher being that makes all the decisions).

Wisdom comes through experience not through mystical dogmatism. But in all seriousness, no matter who you are you should read to the Bible just for the stories, they reflect a whole epoch of man's progression from polytheism right up to the end of theism in general. Not to mention some of them are just downright scandalous (and you look like an idiot if you don't catch some of the allusions in every day conversation).

Yeah, let's take the bibles from them Gays, then after that we can take it from them Blacks too.

:rolleyes:

How about we take the bible from the bigots first? The world might be a better place.

OK, just to be ABSOLUTELY clear on this...this is not just another Gay Discussion topic. This is about gays (mis)using the Bible to justify their perversion.

Well, we're sick of you. Bugger off.

Aren't all these topics really about people fearing that gays will hit on them and/or somehow turn them gay? If it is not okay for gays to force their lifestyle on others( and it isn't) why do some christian straights believe they can force their way of life on gays? Why the hell do I have to read this bible monkey idiocy every other week?

Sodom Loth and anal sex are well described... not for the profit of any gay Hegemony. :fluffle:

the Bible is against gay attitude and perversion.
Any gay using the bible to justify the sodomites is an assh**le. The bible accuses sodomites of all perversions. :mp5:
And look at the Loth trouble and his daughters' marriage, you shall not be astonished to know the origins of 2 tribes ennemies of Israel. :upyours:

Anal sex is to treat the ennemy as a female, an insult for a warrior. :eek:
Do our soldiers have to fuck the ennemy in the ass to prove they are the best? :sniper:

By the way, even safe sex is an abbhoration too:p

Sodom Loth and anal sex are well described... not for the profit of any gay Hegemony. :fluffle:

the Bible is against gay attitude and perversion.
Any gay using the bible to justify the sodomites is an assh**le. The bible accuses sodomites of all perversions. :mp5:
And look at the Loth trouble and his daughters' marriage, you shall not be astonished to know the origins of 2 tribes ennemies of Israel. :upyours:

Anal sex is to treat the ennemy as a female, an insult for a warrior. :eek:
Do our soldiers have to fuck the ennemy in the ass to prove they are the best? :sniper:

By the way, even safe sex is an abbhoration too:p

I think excessive use of smilies is pretty gay. 4 out 5 Jesus's agree with me.

Jesuites>>

I doubt many, if any, gays cite the bible to justify their existence. That is sort of like Osama Bin Laden citing U.S. law to justify his own existence.

Anyway, I'm gay and I'd never look twice at the bible. It's all made up wanking as far as I'm concerned, and Jesus died for his own sins, not mine.

the guy with long hair wearing dresses & sandals, who was followed around by 12 men all day judges other in lifestyle and the company they keep? If he wanted people be a certain a way he wouldn't have given them the ability to choose.

I'm sick of gays.