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illegal immigrants r becomming a big problem for the u.s. wat should the u.s. do in reaction to the immigrants commin to florida on rafts and the mexicans jumpin the fence to get into america?

Clearly, the USA should invade Cuba and Mexico and annex them

Then, they wont be able to illigally enter into the USA, becasue they'll allready be in it

eeeehh?

am I genius?

(yes)

Well, I'd take Canada, but Mexico? Too many problems to fix down there.

Well, I'd take Canada, but Mexico? Too many problems to fix down there.
yes, but atleast you fixed immigration

Well, I'd take Canada, but Mexico? Too many problems to fix down there.
y take canada? they r only good for one thing, and thats hockey

y take canada? they r only good for one thing, and thats hockey
Per capita, id say Canada is better than the USA

maybe we should take over mexico, canada, and the islands near us to form a super nation

maybe we should take over mexico, canada, and the islands near us to form a super nation
YEah, totally, annex the whole of the Americas while you're at it

Then the USA be hugeeeeeeeee

YEah, totally, annex the whole of the Americas while you're at it

Then the USA be hugeeeeeeeee
if we did that, we would be killer in soccer and wouldnt have the problem we have now

if we did that, we would be killer in soccer and wouldnt have the problem we have now
I think the USA should take over Europe and like, South America, then they be punnin

I think the USA should take over Europe and like, South America, then they be punnin
maybe not europe, we would have countries angry with us for takin over south america, but they would give a shit about canada

maybe not europe, we would have countries angry with us for takin over south america, but they would give a shit about canada
yeah, i dont think any1 would get engry if the UAS took Cnaada

are mexicans good at any sport?

Here's what we do:

Plan A)
Mexico- 51st state.
Canada- 52nd state.
Cuba- 53rd state.
Puerto Rico- Keep trying.

Plan B) We dig a giant canal, detach the U.S. from the rest of North America, attach rocket boosters to California, and ram France. :D*

*Edit: I'm only kidding, I don't really hate France.

y take canada? they r only good for one thing, and thats hockey

What? That's not all we're good for! We're also perfect candidates to be stalked by Dinaverg!

I would be more worried about some american citizens(for example mr w bush)being in americ than illegal immigrants who do the dirty jobs that citizens wont do-for a lower wage too!

Here's what we do:

Plan A)
Mexico- 51st state.
Canada- 52nd state.
Cuba- 53rd state.
Puerto Rico- Keep trying.

Plan B) We dig a giant canal, detach the U.S. from the rest of North America, attach rocket boosters to California, and ram France. :D
plan a is good, plan b might be a bit tricky, we could hit great britan. maybe we could just send cuba or puerto rico over

illegal immigrants r becomming a big problem for the u.s. wat should the u.s. do in reaction to the immigrants commin to florida on rafts and the mexicans jumpin the fence to get into america?

If the immigrants can teach you anything about spelling and grammar, I suggest you invite them in with open arms.

Here's what we do:

Plan A)
Mexico- 51st state.
Canada- 52nd state.
Cuba- 53rd state.
Puerto Rico- Keep trying.

Plan B) We dig a giant canal, detach the U.S. from the rest of North America, attach rocket boosters to California, and ram France. :D
what a horrible plan

California is important for the economy

Ram France with Newfoundland, its not like anyone lives on that pointlessly large island wasteland

Here's what we do:

Plan A)
Mexico- 51st state.
Canada- 52nd state.
Cuba- 53rd state.
Puerto Rico- Keep trying.

Do you really want that many more Democrat senators? Because you know those regions won't vote Republican.

You need to send those immigrants back. Don't penalise people who jumped through all the hoops.

If the immigrants can teach you anything about spelling and grammar, I suggest you invite them in with open arms.
i shorten words and i dont care about my grammar. this isnt like english class or somethin

California is important for the economy


And they'll be even more important now that they house the giant rocket boosters. Just think of the possibilities! The oil companies would cry with joy over the sheer amount of fuel required! :)

And they'll be even more important now that they house the giant rocket boosters. Just think of the possibilities! The oil companies would cry with joy over the sheer amount of fuel required! :)
Right, and all the oil can be brought in from New Louisiana.... I mean.... Iraq

And they'll be even more important now that they house the giant rocket boosters. Just think of the possibilities! The oil companies would cry with joy over the sheer amount of fuel required! :)
it could drain a lot of oil thus leadin to higher gas prices and high prices for stuff that used oil

Plan B) We dig a giant canal, detach the U.S. from the rest of North America, attach rocket boosters to California, and ram France.
"American WHOREMONGUERS!"

Really, if you think about it, we've made illegal immigrants into a second class caste of citizens in this country, and no one really seems to have a problem with that. An honest defense to the extremist "Deport 'em all!" is the likewise appalling "But then who'll pick your cotten?!"

The only solution comes in two parts. First, we have to help mexico become a viable economy so that it's people are not so eager to leave, and second, we need to make it easier to gain citizenship in the united states.

i shorten words and i dont care about my grammar. this isnt like english class or somethin
Its more like French class
or should I say...

Ce le Baugette sur le auto
(English: Its more like French Class)

"American WHOREMONGUERS!"

Really, if you think about it, we've made illegal immigrants into a second class caste of citizens in this country, and no one really seems to have a problem with that. An honest defense to the extremist "Deport 'em all!" is the likewise appalling "But then who'll pick your cotten?!"

The only solution comes in two parts. First, we have to help mexico become a viable economy so that it's people are not so eager to leave, and second, we need to make it easier to gain citizenship in the united states.
I think you're retarded

USA annexes Mexico, no more illigall immigration, because they're now USA citizens

First, we have to help mexico become a viable economy so that it's people are not so eager to leave.
we can make the not so eager just by shootin at them when they jump over the fences

The US should liberalize immigration laws to allow a far greater number of legal immigrants in, and offer citizenship to all permanent residents.

The US should liberalize immigration laws to allow a far greater number of legal immigrants in, and offer citizenship to all permanent residents.
Please see my "Annex Mexico" plan

"American WHOREMONGUERS!"

Really, if you think about it, we've made illegal immigrants into a second class caste of citizens in this country, and no one really seems to have a problem with that. An honest defense to the extremist "Deport 'em all!" is the likewise appalling "But then who'll pick your cotten?!"

The only solution comes in two parts. First, we have to help mexico become a viable economy so that it's people are not so eager to leave, and second, we need to make it easier to gain citizenship in the united states.

That's not a half bad idea. We should stop paying China to make our iPods, clothing, and dog toys in their factories, and start paying Mexico instead. I'm getting kind of nervous about China's military build-up, and our friendly neighbours down south have been getting the shaft for quite a few years now.

I would be more worried about some american citizens(for example mr w bush)being in americ than illegal immigrants who do the dirty jobs that citizens wont do-for a lower wage too!
i bet u can get any bum on the street and they will do it, we have enough homeless people to replace illegal immigrants

a while back on some day, all of the immigrants went on strike and said that "we need them more then they need us." (we being the u.s.) i find that to be complete bull shit and as i read on in the article, an ex army person said that we should send them back and we can use the people on welfar to take their spots. thats a pretty good idea

illegal immigrants r becomming a big problem for the u.s. wat should the u.s. do in reaction to the immigrants commin to florida on rafts and the mexicans jumpin the fence to get into america?
i shorten words and i dont care about my grammar. this isnt like english class or somethin
it could drain a lot of oil thus leadin to higher gas prices and high prices for stuff that used oil
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/GrammarTime.gif

i shorten words and i dont care about my grammar. this isnt like english class or somethin

No, it's life. If one does not use proper grammar and spelling in life, one runs the risk of being misunderstood, and of not being considered mature.

I think all your answers are wrong.

Simply, Australia should hurry up on that genetically enginered kangaroo program they've been working on and invade America already.

Seriously, we have enough beer to make it possible.

i shorten words and i dont care about my grammar. this isnt like english class or somethin

I once wrote a paper arguing that sentences with improper grammar have no literal meaning.

Its more like French class
or should I say...

Ce le Baugette sur le auto
(English: Its more like French Class)

Dans le futur, les poissons mangeront les hommes.
English: You have a real flare for French.

I like the idea about annexing mexico.it would broaden our tax base, thus giving us the money to improve life down there and then take canada and teach them real sports!

Please tell me you guys are using bad grammar and stuff to mock this guy...please.

No, it's life. If one does not use proper grammar and spelling in life, one runs the risk of being misunderstood, and of not being considered mature.
Fine. From now on, I will use proper grammar. Are you happy now?

Fine. From now on, I will use proper grammar. Are you happy now?

No, but my emotional well-being isn't your responsibility.

Dans le futur, les poissons mangeront les hommes.
English: You have a real flare for French.

C'est le fleur, qui chante
English: Why thank you, same to you

Please tell me you guys are using bad grammar and stuff to mock this guy...please.
Hehe, the first page, yeah

Am I the only person here who has a problem with the way we've turned illegal immigrants into second class citizens, with barely subsistance wages, no way out, and an inability to seek justice for any crime done against them, for fear of being deported? Does no one else have a problem with the fact that much of our farming industry is propped up by a system a few short steps away from slavery?

Am I the only person here who has a problem with the way we've turned illegal immigrants into second class citizens, with barely subsistance wages, no way out, and an inability to seek justice for any crime done against them, for fear of being deported? Does no one else have a problem with the fact that much of our farming industry is propped up by a system a few short steps away from slavery?
I dont think anyone else gives a damn

you seem to be in the minority

Am I the only person here who has a problem with the way we've turned illegal immigrants into second class citizens, with barely subsistance wages, no way out, and an inability to seek justice for any crime done against them, for fear of being deported? Does no one else have a problem with the fact that much of our farming industry is propped up by a system a few short steps away from slavery?

No, you're not. That's one of the reasons I'm in favor of offering citizenship to those already here; it will begin to tackle that problem.

are mexicans good at any sport?
Taco tossing.

i shorten words and i dont care about my grammar. this isnt like english class or somethin
Tis' America, goddamit! If'migrant wanna com here, tehy must speek engrish, only, like, bad engrish! c?

Am I the only person here who has a problem with the way we've turned illegal immigrants into second class citizens, with barely subsistance wages, no way out, and an inability to seek justice for any crime done against them, for fear of being deported? Does no one else have a problem with the fact that much of our farming industry is propped up by a system a few short steps away from slavery?
I personally dont care how we treat them, as long as we get them the hell out of here.

I personally dont care how we treat them, as long as we get them the hell out of here.

Do you think that only US citizens deserve to be treated with dignity?

Do you think that only US citizens deserve to be treated with dignity?
They are fricken illegal immigrants, they came here illegally!!! And yes only US citizens deserve to be treated with dignity because they aren't illegal.

They are fricken illegal immigrants, they came here illegally!!! And yes only US citizens deserve to be treated with dignity because they aren't illegal.

That means that I, as a non-US citizen, am illegal?

That means that the only 'legal' people, and the only people deserving of rights the world over, are US citizens?

That's what you've just said.

I personally dont care how we treat them, as long as we get them the hell out of here.
I happily extend these same sentiments to you.

They are fricken illegal immigrants, they came here illegally!!!

So what? Since when is the law perfect?

"This land belongs to no one... and this land belongs to everyone."
- Unknown

*land referring to land in general

"This land belongs to no one... and this land belongs to everyone."
- Unknown

*land referring to land in general
thats teh kind of communist hippie bullshit that will consume us

They are fricken illegal immigrants, they came here illegally!!! And yes only US citizens deserve to be treated with dignity because they aren't illegal.
what about citizens of other nations?

Im not a USA citizen, I guess im illigal, off to the gallows for me

No, you're not. That's one of the reasons I'm in favor of offering citizenship to those already here; it will begin to tackle that problem.

If you give them citizenship, it'll encourage more illegal immigration and hence more abuse of those people, unless you are considering about giving citizenship to anyone who crosses the border.

what about citizens of other nations?

Im not a USA citizen, I guess im illigal, off to the gallows for me
I mean the illegal immigrants from Mexico, Cuba, and the other countries down there. All they do is put actual Americans out of work because people can hire them for less.

thats teh kind of communist hippie bullshit that will consume us
yes,yes,we are all commies for believing that we should treat all human beings with dignity.
You all make me laugh.

I mean the illegal immigrants from Mexico, Cuba, and the other countries down there. All they do is put actual Americans out of work because people can hire them for less.

your.argument.value = false

your.argument.value = false
How is it false? All of the illegal immigrants are hired for minimal wage instead of an American citizen hired for more.

If you give them citizenship, it'll encourage more illegal immigration and hence more abuse of those people, unless you are considering about giving citizenship to anyone who crosses the border.

That's exactly what I am considering. If they want to work here on a permanent basis, and they're not criminals, give them citizenship.

How is it false? All of the illegal immigrants are hired for minimal wage instead of an American citizen hired for more.

Hired for a pittance to do jobs that citizens won't do.

It's the same everywhere.

That's exactly what I am considering. If they want to work here on a permanent basis, and they're not criminals, give them citizenship.
They still work here while they are illegal and hardly any are caught. Giving them citizenship only makes more come over here then more Americans could be put out on their asses because their bosses figured out they can hire an immigrant for less.

I mean the illegal immigrants from Mexico, Cuba, and the other countries down there. All they do is put actual Americans out of work because people can hire them for less.

Then we should be fighting to stop the exploitation of workers, not to stop immigration.

yes,yes,we are all commies for believing that we should treat all human beings with dignity.
You all make me laugh.
I was joking

I have socialist tendencies myself

Hired for a pittance to do jobs that citizens won't do.

It's the same everywhere.
I bet any homeless person would do any job as long as they get money. We don't need illegal immigrants.

I mean the illegal immigrants from Mexico, Cuba, and the other countries down there. All they do is put actual Americans out of work because people can hire them for less.
Then legal USA citizens should get work, suck it up, and match their competition

That's exactly what I am considering. If they want to work here on a permanent basis, and they're not criminals, give them citizenship.

That'd encourage huge number of immigrants which will exceed the ability of your economy which means more unemployement. And that means economic crises. If USA economy falls, not only the immigrants would be worse off but also many many others...

They still work here while they are illegal and hardly any are caught. Giving them citizenship only makes more come over here then more Americans could be put out on their asses because their bosses figured out they can hire an immigrant for less.

Actually when you have a good education this doesn't matter since illegals only take jobs that citizens are too proud to take. So I think the impact is really not that big. This being said, they should make it easier for illegals to be legal but not make so easy that they think they can take advantage of the system. Or of course annex Mexico and the rest of the Americas.

Oh, and about them hardly getting caught: http://www.comcast.net/news/national/index.jsp?cat=DOMESTIC&fn=/2006/06/14/413273.html

Then legal USA citizens should get work, suck it up, and match their competition
We shouldn't have to settle for minimal wage.

I bet any homeless person would to any job as long as they get money. We don't need illegal immigrants.

There are what...8 million illegal immigrants in the US?

And a high estimate of 3.5 million homeless people, with only about 800,000 on any given day?

You do the maths.

We shouldn't have to settle for minimal wage.
thats why you lose out to the Mexicans, you dont want to match them, and they are willing to work for less

That'd encourage huge number of immigrants which will exceed the ability of your economy which means more unemployement. And that means economic crises. If USA economy falls, not only the immigrants would be worse off but also many many others...

Immigrants are hardly unproductive. Invest in education for their children, and they will hardly exceed the ability of the economy; they will contribute to it.

There are what...8 million illegal immigrants in the US?

And a high estimate of 3.5 million homeless people, with only about 800,000 on any given day?

You do the maths.
Theres also unemployed people that need a job.

thats why you lose out to the Mexicans, you dont want to match them, and they are willing to work for less
Thats cause the dollar is 10x the peso, so they see it as a win-win. Americans shouldn't have to work for less because of some illegal immigrant.

Theres also unemployed people that need a job.

You're ignoring the absolute most basic problem; they don't want to do the job, but the illegal immigrants happily will, and for very low wages.

Saying the unemployed or the homeless need jobs fails to do take into account the real situation and will achieve nothing.

If you give them citizenship, it'll encourage more illegal immigration and hence more abuse of those people, unless you are considering about giving citizenship to anyone who crosses the border.
My racist friend, to quote Maddox:

If you make them citizens and thus make them be paid the same ammount as regular natives of the US, the benefit of hiring them over USians becomes non-existant. Happy?

Theres also unemployed people that need a job.
yes, but they dont want to work in a way that matches the illigal immigrants

Thats cause the dollar is 10x the peso, so they see it as a win-win. Americans shouldn't have to work for less because of some illegal immigrant.
The USA is prbly among one of the most Capitalist countries in the world

making cheaper or beter products, or hiring people cheaper, is one of the pillars of capitalisim, so dont wine when you're beaten at your own game

Thats cause the dollar is 10x the peso, so they see it as a win-win. Americans shouldn't have to work for less because of some illegal immigrant.
You realize that Franberry is just mocking you, right?

We shouldn't have to settle for minimal wage.

Then raise it. Or support organized labor (for immigrants and non-immigrants alike). Or implement more social welfare programs. Or national health care.

Even better, abandon capitalism and hand the means of production to the workers. All the workers.

You realize that Franberry is just mocking you, right?
I'm not

Im serious:
If the Americans dont want to lose jobs, then work just as hard as the immigrants

Then raise it. Or support organized labor (for immigrants and non-immigrants alike). Or implement more social welfare programs. Or national health care.

Even better, abandon capitalism and hand the means of production to the workers. All the workers.
!Viva la revolution!

I'm not

Im serious:
If the Americans dont want to lose jobs, then work just as hard as the immigrants
Or give all illegals citizenship, as I said earlier...

!Viva la revolution!

I am reminded of the slogan a number of radical leftist organizations used last April - la lucha obrera no tiene fronteras, the workers' struggle has no borders.

I am reminded of the slogan a number of radical leftist organizations used last April - la lucha obrera no tiene fronteras, the workers' struggle has no borders.
Um...okay. Liberte Parte Communista!

America is pretty much responsible for its neighbours especially the closer one. All of south America is littered with the consequences of USA's political involvement at some point or another.... but especially Mexico and Panama regions have had a history with the Usa going back centuries.. Unfortunately the only way to start addressing the problem is invest in economically elevating those nations so there is less pressure for the citizens to want to escape ( be it to America or Europe). Pls it doesnt mean giving money but integrating thier ecenomies into trade arrangements, tech transfers and shared economic visions.

I am reminded of the slogan a number of radical leftist organizations used last April - la lucha obrera no tiene fronteras, the workers' struggle has no borders.
Excellent slogan

Or give all illegals citizenship, as I said earlier...
If u give all illegal immigrants citizenship, within 30 minutes of the announcement or whatever, there will be an army of Mexicans running to the border.

If u give all illegal immigrants citizenship, within 30 minutes of the announcement or whatever, there will be an army of Mexicans running to the border.
Uhhuh...sure. Racism, my friend, is not justification to be used against logic.

Uhhuh...sure. Racism, my friend, is not justification to be used against logic.
Thats not racist. Im just saying that most of the Mexican population will immigrate into the US and screw a bunch of stuff up. I say we build a wall that is 12 feet high and extends 10 feet into the ground to make sure they cant dig under it.

If u give all illegal immigrants citizenship, within 30 minutes of the announcement or whatever, there will be an army of Mexicans running to the border.
not really

give it to the ones that are already there, and then seal the border or something

An idea for the government would be to pressure Mexico to fix up its own domestic problems, and perhaps corporations can do something to make Mexicans stay and work in Mexico. Sounds good, yes?

Thats not racist. Im just saying that most of the Mexican population will immigrate into the US and screw a bunch of stuff up. I say we build a wall that is 12 feet high and extends 10 feet into the ground to make sure they cant dig under it.
Yes, because the Mexicans can screw it up so much worse than we have already. :D

Yes, because the Mexicans can screw it up so much worse than we have already. :D
Good point.

An idea for the government would be to pressure Mexico to fix up its own domestic problems, and perhaps corporations can do something to make Mexicans stay and work in Mexico. Sounds good, yes?
Excellent, yes.

If u give all illegal immigrants citizenship, within 30 minutes of the announcement or whatever, there will be an army of Mexicans running to the border.

An army of Mexicans at the border? ¡Bienvenidos!

Good point.
See? Mexicans aren't as bad as you think.

Immigrants are hardly unproductive. Invest in education for their children, and they will hardly exceed the ability of the economy; they will contribute to it.

No, the 1st generation unskilled ones would make a too big surplus and huge number of unemployment if you give citizenship to anyone who crosses the border....

No, the 1st generation unskilled ones would make a too big surplus and huge number of unemployment if you give citizenship to anyone who crosses the border....
Whatever. I doubt that.

An idea for the government would be to pressure Mexico to fix up its own domestic problems, and perhaps corporations can do something to make Mexicans stay and work in Mexico. Sounds good, yes?
The Mexican government can help fund the wall that extends along the border and have its army along it to shoot any one that tries to get by, sorta like the berlin wall and the great wall of china.:sniper:

An idea for the government would be to pressure Mexico to fix up its own domestic problems, and perhaps corporations can do something to make Mexicans stay and work in Mexico. Sounds good, yes?

Considering US policy has been based for decades on encouraging Mexico not to fix its own domestic problems, but, if anything, to worsen them, that sounds rather impractical to me.

My racist friend, to quote Maddox:

If you make them citizens and thus make them be paid the same ammount as regular natives of the US, the benefit of hiring them over USians becomes non-existant. Happy?

Read my post and the post I was answering to and think again....

The Mexican government can help fund the wall that extends along the border and have its army along it to shoot any one that tries to get by, sorta like the berlin wall and the great wall of china.:sniper:
Yes, the government that passes out leaflets on "How to get past the fence" is really gonna do that.

The Mexican government can help fund the wall that extends along the border and have its army along it to shoot any one that tries to get by, sorta like the berlin wall and the great wall of china.

Yes, the Berlin Wall is a great model to follow. We all know the glories of East German respect for human rights.

Considering US policy has been based for decades on encouraging Mexico not to fix its own domestic problems, but, if anything, to worsen them, that sounds rather impractical to me.
Well, it's damn good advice, putting self-interest to some good use. Like you say though, the fact that the US has not been doing the opposite in Mexico sort of dashes hopes for it. Perhaps it needs to revise its views.

Read my post and the post I was answering to and think again....
Uhhuh. I don't believe a word.

Yes, the Berlin Wall is a great model to follow. We all know the glories of East German respect for human rights.
Well if you have any better ideas on how to keep them out, say so.

The Mexican government can help fund the wall that extends along the border and have its army along it to shoot any one that tries to get by, sorta like the berlin wall and the great wall of china.:sniper:
The West berliners and the Mongols did not like their respective walls, I doubt the Mexicans will do that too

Well, it's damn good advice, putting self-interest to some good use. Like you say though, the fact that the US has not been doing the opposite in Mexico sort of dashes hopes for it. Perhaps it needs to revise its views.

It won't, because the people in power love the status quo. Plenty of exploitable cheap labor, both here and across the border, and excellent leverage for destroying unions and cutting wages.

Well if you have any better ideas on how to keep them out, say so.
Give all immigrants citizenship and lose the economic advantages of employing them. What's the problem with immigrants? Well...I don't want to be speaking Spanish isn ten years, but that can be dealt with.

they r just ingnorant wetbacks who dont know shit and cant read nor speak english so we need to just kill them off and eventually they be over with

It won't, because the people in power love the status quo. Plenty of exploitable cheap labor, both here and across the border, and excellent leverage for destroying unions and cutting wages.
Then it must deal with the Chimera that it is creating. If it is honestly that short-sighted, it deserves what it gets.

Give all immigrants citizenship and lose the economic advantages of employing them. What's the problem with immigrants? Well...I don't want to be speaking Spanish isn ten years, but that can be dealt with.
I said how to keep them out, not to let them in.

they r just ingnorant wetbacks who dont know shit and cant read nor speak english so we need to just kill them off and eventually they be over with
finally someone with a reasonable opinion

the aboriginals shoudl be killed off too, some of them dont speak American

they r just ingnorant wetbacks who dont know shit and cant read nor speak english so we need to just kill them off and eventually they be over with
We should......

they r just ingnorant wetbacks who dont know shit and cant read nor speak english so we need to just kill them off and eventually they be over with
Yes, I suggest that those who can't write proper English be shot. Please, would you like folded eyes?

We should......
That just proves you're a troll...

I'm thinking about the feasability of replacing the majority of the welfare system with something similer to what they had in the new deal, where the government would pay people enough to get them by in exchange for unskilled labor on things like street repair and city beautification. It seems like this might be a modest compromise between the people who are annoyed at their taxes funding "lazy" poor people, and the people who want to keep the social safety net. Is there any good reason why this wouldn't work, and shouldn't be implemented?
Thats a pretty good idea.

That just proves you're a troll...
A troll?

or a win-win situation


Dig a moat the length of the mexican border take the dirt to build the levies in New Orleans and then take the alligators from Florida and out in the huge ass moat:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Well if you have any better ideas on how to keep them out, say so.

Don't keep them out at all.

they r just ingnorant wetbacks who dont know shit and cant read nor speak english so we need to just kill them off and eventually they be over with

I think you're the ignorant one, personally.

Then it must deal with the Chimera that it is creating. If it is honestly that short-sighted, it deserves what it gets.

Unfortunately, the rest of us are getting screwed in the mean time.

or a win-win situation


Dig a moat the length of the mexican border take the dirt to build the levies in New Orleans and then take the alligators from Florida and out in the huge ass moat:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Thats an even better one :D .

I'm thinking about the feasability of replacing the majority of the welfare system with something similer to what they had in the new deal, where the government would pay people enough to get them by in exchange for unskilled labor on things like street repair and city beautification. It seems like this might be a modest compromise between the people who are annoyed at their taxes funding "lazy" poor people, and the people who want to keep the social safety net. Is there any good reason why this wouldn't work, and shouldn't be implemented?
I agree. Your welfare system basically sucks. It costs too much, doesn't help those it needs to help, and creates dependency. It shouldn't be scrapped, though, that'd be worse. Instead it's objectives and methods should be reevaluated.

or a win-win situation


Dig a moat the length of the mexican border take the dirt to build the levies in New Orleans and then take the alligators from Florida and out in the huge ass moat:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Yeah, and use illegal immigrants to build it, so that you can actually afford it!

Brilliant!

Dig a moat the length of the mexican border take the dirt to build the levies in New Orleans and then take the alligators from Florida and out in the huge ass moat:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
genius

Don't keep them out at all.



I think you're the ignorant one, personally.



Unfortunately, the rest of us are getting screwed in the mean time.

no i am not i speak the truth cuz they r some dumbasses thinking they can invade us cuz USA is the shit and Mexico should be blown to bits

or a win-win situation


Dig a moat the length of the mexican border take the dirt to build the levies in New Orleans and then take the alligators from Florida and out in the huge ass moat:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
You can divert water from LA to fill it! There's nothing but illegals and liberals living there, anyway.

Thats an even better one :D .
You really are a bigot.

no i am not i speak the truth cuz they r some dumbasses thinking they can invade us cuz USA is the shit and Mexico should be blown to bits
Speak English, you bum!

no i am not i speak the truth cuz they r some dumbasses thinking they can invade us cuz USA is the shit and Mexico should be blown to bits
You are a racist and are claiming that someone should be killed. Reported.

You really are a bigot.
I really don't give a shit, as long as it keeps them out I don't care.

You are a racist and are claiming that someone should be killed. Reported.
Thats a bit overreacting, don't you think?

You are a racist and are claiming that someone should be killed. Reported.


hahaha i aint racist i just speak the truth thats all:headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours:

I'm thinking about the feasability of replacing the majority of the welfare system with something similer to what they had in the new deal, where the government would pay people enough to get them by in exchange for unskilled labor on things like street repair and city beautification. It seems like this might be a modest compromise between the people who are annoyed at their taxes funding "lazy" poor people, and the people who want to keep the social safety net. Is there any good reason why this wouldn't work, and shouldn't be implemented?
one fault with the welfare-to-work programme or whatever it was/is called is that it actually makes some people even more poverty stricken. consider the single mother - in order to get her welfare cheque she must work 8hrs a day, 5 days a week, during those 40+hrs a week that she must be away from home she needs to pay someone to look after her children. on a welfare wage this is not possible but she must go to work or she will get no money. what does she do? she could leave her kids on their own but what if they're too young? she would leave them with a relative, but, oh no, they are working for their welfare too. she could take them with her to work, but then her boss sacks her for letting her kids run riot round the workplace. with no union representative she cannot claim unfair dismissal. she now has no job and so her benefits stop. she can't then afford her rent. she ends up on the street with her kids taken from her. it just doesn't work.

no i am not i speak the truth cuz they r some dumbasses thinking they can invade us cuz USA is the shit and Mexico should be blown to bits
ugh

n00b

hahaha i aint racist i just speak the truth thats all:headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours:
No, you are a bigoted idiot.

hahaha i aint racist i just speak the truth thats all:headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours:
Don't worry about Quaon, he just has his panties in a bunch.

Thats a bit overreacting, don't you think?
The post they reported was sort of inflammatory. Either way, simply voicing an opinion will not get you banned; flamebait will.

hahaha i aint racist i just speak the truth thats all:headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours:
One, I have lost the little respect I had for you, maily because of your racism and use of smilies

u're an idiot btw

Thats a bit overreacting, don't you think?
You claim that we should shoot any mexicans trying to immigrate. A little overeacting, don't you think?

hahaha i aint a n00b or w\e i just never post in forums......also i aint a n00b to this world and i got a opinion and ovbiously yall aint open minded

You claim that we should shoot any mexicans trying to immigrate. A little overeacting, don't you think?
The ones trying to immigrate illegally...

hahaha i aint racist i just speak the truth thats all:headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours: :headbang: :upyours:
I think you're an illegal immigrant trying to pass as a real American. That's why you can't write properly or congruently.

The ones trying to immigrate illegally...
shooot them?

thats ridiculous

One, I have lost the little respect I had for you, maily because of your racism and use of smilies

u're an idiot btw

i dont even know u anyways so how would we even have respect???

The ones trying to immigrate illegally...
Because they are inhuman? Come on...I don't like illegals much either, but punishment by death? :rolleyes:

I think you're an illegal immigrant trying to pass as a real American. That's why you can't write properly or congruently.
thats sorta stupid, i can write like this but im american. just because some one doesnt write properly doesnt mean they r an illegal immigrant.

I think you're an illegal immigrant trying to pass as a real American. That's why you can't write properly or congruently.

Do you want me to write perfectly? It's a forum not an english paper.:rolleyes:

thats sorta stupid, i can write like this but im american. just because some one doesnt write properly doesnt mean they r an illegal immigrant.

agreed

hahaha i aint a n00b or w\e i just never post in forums......also i aint a n00b to this world and i got a opinion and ovbiously yall aint open minded
No, you aren't open minded, you god damned racist. Anyway, your nation is 16 mil. population. You are a noob.

Because they are inhuman? Come on...I don't like illegals much either, but punishment by death? :rolleyes:
well the wall or the moat keeps them out with out any one bein shot.

Do you want me to write perfectly? It's a forum not an english paper.:rolleyes:
Yes, please. Proper grammar makes communication much easier, both in English papers and forums.

no i am not i speak the truth cuz they r some dumbasses thinking they can invade us cuz USA is the shit and Mexico should be blown to bits

I think it's a little unfair to say the US is the shit of the continent - there were some redeeming features.

As Hugo Chávez put it: "A country of heroes, dreamers, and fighters, the people of Martin Luther King and Cesar Chavez."

Then there are the people of David Duke and Pat Robertson - now they do indeed resemble feces.

thats sorta stupid, i can write like this but im american. just because some one doesnt write properly doesnt mean they r an illegal immigrant.
Neither is not speaking English at all. Nor does being an illegal immigrant make you less of a human being.

No, you aren't open minded, you god damned racist. Anyway, your nation is 16 mil. population. You are a noob.

I am a n00b to nation states but not to forums, besides this isnt the only forum out there

thats sorta stupid, i can write like this but im american. just because some one doesnt write properly doesnt mean they r an illegal immigrant.

But it does mean they are hypocritical if they attack immigrants for not using proper English.

I am a n00b to nation states but not to forums, besides this isnt the only forum out there
I'm betting the forums you are aquantated with are Stormfront, therefor I will gladly direct you there. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

Now go frolick with other racists!

But it does mean they are hypocritical if they attack immigrants for not using proper English.

Alright then, if you do not think i can write perfect english how about i send you some of my books i have written?

I'm betting the forums you are aquantated with are Stormfront, therefor I will gladly direct you there. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

Now go frolick with other racists!
dude, shut up wit the racist thing... its a bit annoyin

hahaha i aint a n00b or w\e i just never post in forums......also i aint a n00b to this world and i got a opinion and ovbiously yall aint open minded

I hope that I will never be open-minded to the assertion that human beings should be shot for crossing a border.

Neither is not speaking English at all. Nor does being an illegal immigrant make you less of a human being.
Exactly. This may be surprising to you, but they are actually people :eek:

You can't kill people for wanting to get a job in America. If you were in Mexico, and your family was in the US, and you knew you could get a job, you would cross the border too.

We either need to make all illegal immigrants citizens, or add more border security and try to keep everyone out. The way it is now is a slap in the face to those who take the time to actually become a US citizen, in my opinion.

dude, shut up wit the racist thing... its a bit annoyin
He is a racist. He condones the killing of mexicans and calls them "wetbacks". You are on the edge there to.

Alright then, if you do not think i can write perfect english how about i send you some of my books i have written?

Books on what subjects?

Exactly. This may be surprising to you, but they are actually people :eek:

You can't kill people for wanting to get a job in America. If you were in Mexico, and your family was in the US, and you knew you could get a job, you would cross the border too.

We either need to make all illegal immigrants citizens, or add more border security and try to keep everyone out. The way it is now is a slap in the face to those who take the time to actually become a US citizen, in my opinion.
well they should add more border security, im sure people on welfare want to have that job. if people in mexico want to gain citizenship, they should earn it and not jump the border

I hope that I will never be open-minded to the assertion that human beings should be shot for crossing a border.
exactly

He is a racist. He condones the killing of mexicans and calls them "wetbacks". You are on the edge there to.
so wat hes a racist? wat r u gonna do?

or they should be shot in the legs if they try to cross illegally then they think twice before doing so

well they should add more border security, im sure people on welfare want to have that job. if people in mexico want to gain citizenship, they should earn it and not jump the border

Why is citizenship something to be earned?

Why is citizenship something to be earned?
y shouldnt it be earned?

so wat hes a racist? wat r u gonna do?
they wont do shit

or they should be shot in the legs if they try to cross illegally then they think twice before doing so
What next, send them to concentration camps?

well they should add more border security, im sure people on welfare want to have that job. if people in mexico want to gain citizenship, they should earn it and not jump the border
Well, how do you suggest getting 12 million people out of the country? It's never going to happen, some illegal immigrants are going to become citizens, no matter what.

y shouldnt it be earned?
You can't decide where you're born.

What next, send them to concentration camps?
hell yea...thats how we got the Japs too get out for the most part

y shouldnt it be earned?

Because Mexicans deserve equal moral consideration to USians.

or they should be shot in the legs if they try to cross illegally then they think twice before doing so
u have to remember women and children r crossin too, its not nice to shoot a poor defenceless child in the leg

Clearly, the USA should invade Cuba and Mexico and annex them

Then, they wont be able to illigally enter into the USA, becasue they'll allready be in it

eeeehh?

am I genius?

(yes)
One thing I got to say:
Screw you, you stupid globalizator, invasion isn't the solution.
you're not a genius, you're an idiot.

u have to remember women and children r crossin too, its not nice to shoot a poor defenceless child in the leg
But it's nice to kill someone because they are trying to get a better life. Nice double standard.

One thing I got to say:
Screw you, you stupid globalizator, invasion isn't the solution.
you're not a genius, you're an idiot.
i dont think he was bein serious

hell yea...thats how we got the Japs too get out for the most part
They didn't get out.

hell yea...thats how we got the Japs too get out for the most part

Um, the Japanese-Americans imprisoned during World War II for the most part did not leave after their release. Many of them were, in fact, US citizens; to my knowledge, pretty much all of them were here legally, too.

You are an obvious bigot. I hope that one day you see the error of your ways.

u dont have too shoot with real guns they got rubber bullets

But it's nice to kill someone because they are trying to get a better life. Nice double standard.
if they want a better life, they should do it legally

But it's nice to kill someone because they are trying to get a better life. Nice double standard.
I think he meant you should aim for the head.

hell yea...thats how we got the Japs too get out for the most part
Wow...I got a question for you. During WW2, why didn't we round up the Germans as well as the Japanse? Because they were white, maybe?

u dont have too shoot with real guns they got rubber bullets
that would work

Um, the Japanese-Americans imprisoned during World War II for the most part did not leave after their release. Many of them were, in fact, US citizens; to my knowledge, pretty much all of them were here legally, too.

You are an obvious bigot. I hope that one day you see the error of your ways.
:eek: :eek: i am sooooo scared!!!:eek: (_l_) kiss it

if they want a better life, they should do it legally
Well, you know it's almost good damned impossible to immigrate to the US legally, right? We've got an archaic immigration policy.

u have to remember women and children r crossin too, its not nice to shoot a poor defenceless child in the leg
its not nice to shoot any defenceless person

Well, you know it's almost good damned impossible to immigrate to the US legally, right? We've got an archaic immigration policy.
then we should change it to give them a chance

Am I the only person here who has a problem with the way we've turned illegal immigrants into second class citizens, with barely subsistance wages, no way out, and an inability to seek justice for any crime done against them, for fear of being deported? Does no one else have a problem with the fact that much of our farming industry is propped up by a system a few short steps away from slavery?

They arent citizens so it doesnt matter how we treat them because according to the law theyre here illegally (unless they have a green card and and a visa and what not)

:eek: :eek: i am sooooo scared!!!:eek: (_l_) kiss it
You are a bigot. You think you are better than others because of the color of your skin. What if you were mexican?

Oh, and on the subject on concentration camps, I'd like to see you last a day in Auschvihts.

then we should change it to give them a chance
Yes, we should.

say bye bye to English and welcome mexico doubling in size

Yes, we should.
finally some one agrees with me

:eek: :eek: i am sooooo scared!!!:eek: (_l_) kiss it

I didn't say anything scary.

finally some one agrees with me
Because that's the only time you've been right this whole time.

say bye bye to English and welcome mexico doubling in size
...

You are an idiot.

You are a bigot. You think you are better than others because of the color of your skin. What if you were mexican?

Oh, and on the subject on concentration camps, I'd like to see you last a day in Auschvihts.
alright then i will because i know your sorry ass wont last as long as me

finally some one agrees with me
See? He's not too far gone!

You are a bigot. You think you are better than others because of the color of your skin. What if you were mexican?

Oh, and on the subject on concentration camps, I'd like to see you last a day in Auschvihts.
Auschwitz.

alright then i will because i know your sorry ass wont last as long as me
My grandfather survived it. I'm a Jew. I could and would survive it. It's in my genes.

Auschwitz.
Ughh, I hate german names. So hard to spell!

My grandfather survived it. I'm a Jew. I could and would survive it. It's in my genes.
Hmm...superior then, are you?

They arent citizens so it doesnt matter how we treat them because according to the law theyre here illegally (unless they have a green card and and a visa and what not)
The law also says how you can treat them, even if they're illegaly in the country. So it actually matter how you treat them.

Hmm...superior then, are you?
No...that was a joke, sorry. My grandfather was in the camps, though.

My grandfather survived it. I'm a Jew. I could and would survive it. It's in my genes.

just b\c u r a jew dont mean U can survive it cuz its in YOUR GENES that was your grandfather not you

You are a bigot. You think you are better than others because of the color of your skin. What if you were mexican?

Oh, and on the subject on concentration camps, I'd like to see you last a day in Auschvihts.
Auschwitz.

And he'd prbly last a day easily

One, hes prbly well fed, assuming this, he can survive on the meager rations that were handed out
If hes well fed, he can work, unless he is in horribly bad shape, which is a maybe, but he shoudl be able to do a days work anyways
Depending on his age, he might've been killed along with all the other children, this is the biggest maybe

just b\c u r a jew dont mean U can survive it cuz its in YOUR GENES that was your grandfather not youYeah. But you claim that you could last more than me. The nature of natural selection says I have a better chance. Well...not really, but I damn say it does!

They arent citizens so it doesnt matter how we treat them because according to the law theyre here illegally (unless they have a green card and and a visa and what not)

The law does not dictate morality.

Auschwitz.

And he'd prbly last a day easily

One, hes prbly well fed, assuming this, he can survive on the meager rations that were handed out
If hes well fed, he can work, unless he is in horribly bad shape, which is a maybe, but he shoudl be able to do a days work anyways
Depending on his age, he might've been killed along with all the other children, this is the biggest maybe

I wouldnt of been killed because of my age because i am over 18 and younger then 40

Auschwitz.

And he'd prbly last a day easily

One, hes prbly well fed, assuming this, he can survive on the meager rations that were handed out
If hes well fed, he can work, unless he is in horribly bad shape, which is a maybe, but he shoudl be able to do a days work anyways
Depending on his age, he might've been killed along with all the other children, this is the biggest maybe
Or he's probably a straight up Aryan and wouldn't have been in the camps in the first place.

I wouldnt of been killed because of my age because i am over 18 and younger then 40
Let me guess: you live in the South?

They arent citizens so it doesnt matter how we treat them because according to the law theyre here illegally (unless they have a green card and and a visa and what not)
It matters how we treat them because they are human beings. The lack of some paltry documents does not change that fact. You are litterally saying that something is Moral because it is Legal, which is the exact opposite of what a law should do.

Ughh, I hate german names. So hard to spell!

You know how to pronounce it, or at least your original spelling so indicated. That's a start.

Yeah. But you claim that you could last more than me. The nature of natural selection says I have a better chance. Well...not really, but I damn say it does!
well if u were both sent back in time to the camps, he would prolly have a better chance beacuse hes prolly not jewish so the germans wouldnt give a shit

Cuba- Shoot the rafts.

Mexico- Ever heard of an electric fence? say about 200,000 volts!

Let me guess: you live in the South?

:eek::eek: :eek: took your dumbass long enough to figure out

Cuba- Shoot the rafts.

Mexico- Ever heard of an electric fence? say about 200,000 volts!
mexico - dig under fence

It matters how we treat them because they are human beings. The lack of some paltry documents does not change that fact. You are litterally saying that something is Moral because it is Legal, which is the exact opposite of what a law should do.
It would be wrong not to accord them basic human decency. I am not too much of a fan of the notion of a government basing its immigration policy on morality as opposed to economic considerations, yet that does not imply it should simply treat non-citizens as animals.

Cuba- Shoot the rafts.

Mexico- Ever heard of an electric fence? say about 200,000 volts!
Great. Let's just kill everyone who tries to cross the border. They're not legal Americans, so they're not people :rolleyes:

Mexico- Ever heard of an electric fence? say about 200,000 volts!
Ever heard of a Faraday box?

I dont agree with this, but please stop saying all these ridiculous things, elecrcic fences? do you know how much energy that would suck up?


If we're going for the ridiculous way to stop the Mexicans

the best would be a wall, with cameras spread out at intervals, and several mobile reserves that can go out and stop immigrants if they can climb over the wall.

And if you want to be really cruel. Anti-personnel mines, these things are cheaper to make than a Mexican is to hire for an hour

I dont agree with this, but please stop saying all these ridiculous things, elecrcic fences? do you know how much energy that would suck up?


If we're going for the ridiculous way to stop the Mexicans

the best would be a wall, with cameras spread out at intervals, and several mobile reserves that can go out and stop immigrants if they can climb over the wall.

And if you want to be really cruel. Anti-personnel mines, these things are cheaper to make than a Mexican is to hire for an hour
stole my wall idea :P

Has anyone ever noticed that the majority of posters who say blatantly rascist things have but a single post to their name? I think that they're either puppets, or someone's recruiting their stormfront buddies.

stole my wall idea :P
no, improved it

Has anyone ever noticed that the majority of posters who say blatantly rascist things have but a single post to their name? I think that they're either puppets, or someone's recruiting their stormfront buddies.
thats true
most puppet trolls dont seem to get past a couple hundred, and most of them dotn pass the 50 mark

whats Stormfront btw?

It would be wrong not to accord them basic human decency. I am not too much of a fan of the notion of a government basing its immigration policy on morality as opposed to economic considerations, yet that does not imply it should simply treat non-citizens as animals.

"Economic considerations" for whose benefit?

Has anyone ever noticed that the majority of posters who say blatantly rascist things have but a single post to their name? I think that they're either puppets, or someone's recruiting their stormfront buddies.
That's ok, I'm just working on my post count without calling the ire of the mods :)

whats Stormfront btw?
Ultra-racist White Power style website.

"Economic considerations" for whose benefit?
The nation's and its citizenry's, obviously.

no, improved it
my wall idea was better, its a 22 foot wall, 10 feet underground to stop them from diggin under, and 12 feet high so its pretty high up, and there are gaurds wit guns that have rubber bullets to stop any that climbed over

Has anyone ever noticed that the majority of posters who say blatantly rascist things have but a single post to their name? I think that they're either puppets, or someone's recruiting their stormfront buddies.
It is equally likely they are unfamiliar with NS and think that they can get away with spouting whatever garbage they believe in without opposition. I know that when I was at my first few posts, I was quite outspoken on certain things. I have become more diplomatic though.

my wall idea was better, its a 22 foot wall, 10 feet underground to stop them from diggin under, and 12 feet high so its pretty high up, and there are gaurds wit guns that have rubber bullets to stop any that climbed over
land mines cost like, 2$ a pop, you can lay a lot more mines for the price that you will build that fence

my wall idea was better, its a 22 foot wall, 10 feet underground to stop them from diggin under, and 12 feet high so its pretty high up, and there are gaurds wit guns that have rubber bullets to stop any that climbed over
22 feet? That's not very long. They'll just walk around it.

Ultra-racist White Power style website.
OMFG!! LINK!!!!

land mines cost like, 2$ a pop, you can lay a lot more mines for the price that you will build that fence
but the wall kills less

Has anyone ever noticed that the majority of posters who say blatantly rascist things have but a single post to their name? I think that they're either puppets, or someone's recruiting their stormfront buddies.
Not a puppet or recruit...jsut threw the idea out there!
I don't know about the rascist thing either, just from the south...Oh well.

22 feet? That's not very long. They'll just walk around it.
tall, 22 feet tall

The nation's and its citizenry's, obviously.

Then you are in favor of basing immigration policy on morality - a morality that states one should act in a manner that advances the common good of the citizenry of a nation.

I reject that morality. One should act in a manner that advances the common good of sentient beings. Immigration policy should indeed be based on economic considerations - that's basic rationality - but they should be a means to the end of improving the welfare of all sentient beings, which in the present world encompasses all human beings.

but the wall kills less
yeah, but its much cheaper


Im against all of the wall and mines btw

to add on to the wall, its as long as the border :P

tall, 22 feet tall
aaaah... ok. Build it inclined towards Mexico so it will be harder to hold on to. Ask illegal immigrants to build it and they'll also put broken bottles on top, plus it'll be cheaper. *nods*

my wall idea was better, its a 22 foot wall, 10 feet underground to stop them from diggin under, and 12 feet high so its pretty high up, and there are gaurds wit guns that have rubber bullets to stop any that climbed over
Do you realize that we could probably put all of the illegal immigrants on welfare for life for what that would cost? Do you have any notion at all of how large the Mexican border is?

Do you realize that we could probably put all of the illegal immigrants on welfare for life for what that would cost? Do you have any notion at all of how large the Mexican border is?
no, nor do i care

*snip*
I suppose that'd make you more of an internationalist than I am.