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2006 MLB Baseball Thread

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IDF
12-06-2006, 00:47
The season is 1/3 done and we don't have a thread.

Let's keep this going til the end of October.
Megaloria
12-06-2006, 01:42
Go Blue Jays.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
12-06-2006, 01:45
Baseball is teh suck. It is the only thing more boring than soccer.
Psychotic Mongooses
12-06-2006, 01:50
Baseball is teh suck. It is the only thing more boring than soccer.
Cricket?
Kiryu-shi
12-06-2006, 01:50
Mets are winning the national league penant. Yankees are suffer a collapse and miss the playoffs. Barry Bonds* will not make break Aaron's record, this year or next year (he might make it if he plays two more years after this year). Detroit will come down to earth, they are not for real. NL West will also fall back down. Braves will not win the NL East. The A's will make a magical push to the world series, but the Mets will beat them in six.:)
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
12-06-2006, 01:53
Cricket?

Cricket is pretty much baseball from what I hear, just with flattened bats and goofier uniforms. Now, the dart game cricket, thats good fun when doing shots.
Molson Park
12-06-2006, 02:16
I hate how the format of the AL is always against the Blue Jays. They have a great team this year, but they have to go through the Yankees and Red Sox to win the division (which is a damn near impossible task).
Danmarc
12-06-2006, 02:28
I hate how the format of the AL is always against the Blue Jays. They have a great team this year, but they have to go through the Yankees and Red Sox to win the division (which is a damn near impossible task).

So you are saying they will be the best 3rd place team in all of baseball? Good luck on that...hehehe They HAVE to miss Delgado...that man is a machine.
Gargantua City State
12-06-2006, 02:34
I hate how the format of the AL is always against the Blue Jays. They have a great team this year, but they have to go through the Yankees and Red Sox to win the division (which is a damn near impossible task).

They usually do really well playing against the Red Sox and NYY.
It's the other teams they fall apart against. ;)
But they have a closer this year, so they'll do well...
If they can get another good starting pitcher or two.
Danmarc
12-06-2006, 02:38
no disrespect to their team, but who would have thought a 2006 Major League baseball discussion would be dominated by talk of the Toronto BlueJays? I am impressed. Although, The St. Louis Cardinals will be healthy, strong, and unstoppable come October..
Thailorr
12-06-2006, 02:45
Baseball is teh suck. It is the only thing more boring than soccer.
Are you kidding? Soccer is way more boring than baseball.
But, golf pwns them both in boringness.
Thailorr
12-06-2006, 02:49
Red Sox FTW!!
I just hope they can finally beat the Yankees this year! There were SO close last year. There players and pitchers need to get healthy.

And i hope Barry Bonds gets hit with a baseball right on the knee so he can't play anymore that steroid popping cheater! I wouldn't mind if a person like Ken Griffy Jr was going to break the record, but Barry... tsk tsk tsk.
Demon 666
12-06-2006, 02:57
Barry needs to retire now.
Astros have Clemens back, and it looks like Backe will be getting off the injured list soon.
With our pitching staff ramped up, and with a stronger offense than last year, Astros will ultimately win!
Go Astros!:D
Danmarc
12-06-2006, 02:58
I think regardless of league preference, we can all agree that Albert Pujols is absolutely THE MAN!! This has to be like watching Joe DiMaggio or Mickey Mantle play.....
Kiryu-shi
12-06-2006, 02:59
Barry needs to retire now.
Astros have Clemens back, and it looks like Backe will be getting off the injured list soon.
With our pitching staff ramped up, and with a stronger offense than last year, Astros will ultimately win!
Go Astros!:D

Good luck in the same division as the cards.

BTW Clemens blows.
Danmarc
12-06-2006, 03:00
Barry needs to retire now.
Astros have Clemens back, and it looks like Backe will be getting off the injured list soon.
With our pitching staff ramped up, and with a stronger offense than last year, Astros will ultimately win!
Go Astros!:D

I wish Roger Clemens all the best of health and luck.... same with Backe (who is an interesting character) there is nothing I like better than a tight pennant race, I think both Cubs and Astros fans would agree with the Cardinals fans on this one, no fun when someone runs away with the title...
Kiryu-shi
12-06-2006, 03:01
I think regardless of league preference, we can all agree that Albert Pujols is absolutely THE MAN!! This has to be like watching Joe DiMaggio or Mickey Mantle play.....

Except hurt...

And his average is much lower this year then what I expected.
Demon 666
12-06-2006, 03:03
In my world, Pujols is Satan incarnate.
Still furious over that game last year.
Well, I like Backe a lot, and Clemens too, but Oswalt is the most important, given he is MUCH better than Petitie.
Kiryu-shi
12-06-2006, 03:06
In my world, Pujols is Satan incarnate.
Still furious over that game last year.

In my world, Clemens is Satan incarnate.
Still furious over him THROWING A PIECE OF A BAT AT MIKE PIAZZA.
Gun Manufacturers
12-06-2006, 03:22
In my world, Clemens is Satan incarnate.
Still furious over him THROWING A PIECE OF A BAT AT MIKE PIAZZA.

Please, if Clemens wanted to hit Piazza with that broken bat, he would have. It's worth noting that Clemens didn't get in trouble for that, so the umps knew it wasn't intentional.

Speaking of Clemens, I would have loved to see him go a few rounds with Manny (game 3 2003 ALCS, IIRC). Manny would've caught a beatdown, all because he didn't like that pitch (which wasn't even inside).
Pathetique
12-06-2006, 03:26
Go Blue Jays!

Very competitive team this year, might overcome one of the two powerhouses (Yankees or Red Sox, not both)
Danmarc
12-06-2006, 03:34
If we can change it up a bit, how about those devil rays? They are so young so fast, could really be a spoiler down the stretch..... I think Rocco is either back or coming back shortly as well.... I am impressed by what Pinella and the management has done there..
M3rcenaries
12-06-2006, 03:38
I'm just mad Detroit is doing so well. But I am going to a White Sox game tomorrow.
AB Again
12-06-2006, 03:40
I would just like to say thank you to Dontrelle Willis for wrecking my fantasy team. As soon as I cut him lose, he starts to play. - :headbang:
Danmarc
12-06-2006, 03:44
I would just like to say thank you to Dontrelle Willis for wrecking my fantasy team. As soon as I cut him lose, he starts to play. - :headbang:
Dontrelle is always a wildcard...sometimes looks unbeatable, sometimes looks like a mere mortal, getting rocked like everybody else.... Did you just drop him, or at least pick up something in exchange?
M3rcenaries
12-06-2006, 03:49
Pitchers in general tend to be more of a risky investment.
Danmarc
12-06-2006, 03:53
Except hurt...

And his average is much lower this year then what I expected.

albert will be back, I give him about 2 more weeks out. That is a nice little rest for him, he has been averaging around 160 games a year. When he returns, his average will pick up, as Rolen is tearing em up, and Edmonds appears healthy, so they may have to actually pitch to Pujols soon..
AB Again
12-06-2006, 03:53
Dontrelle is always a wildcard...sometimes looks unbeatable, sometimes looks like a mere mortal, getting rocked like everybody else.... Did you just drop him, or at least pick up something in exchange?

I just dropped him but I have Buerhle, Vazquez, Haren, and Carpenter, and I managed to pick up Hamels, so everything seemed OK at the time. Then after I dropped Willis, I ended up with practicaly the whole rotation on the DL. (Not Willis's fault, but does he have to start throwing complete games after I cut him. Grrr.)

The real problem with my team though is that my hitters are crap. My best are Moises Alou and Chris Shelton!
Danmarc
12-06-2006, 03:57
I just dropped him but I have Buerhle, Vazquez, Haren, and Carpenter, and I managed to pick up Hamels, so everything seemed OK at the time. Then after I dropped Willis, I ended up with practicaly the whole rotation on the DL. (Not Willis's fault, but does he have to start throwing complete games after I cut him. Grrr.)

The real problem with my team though is that my hitters are crap. My best are Moises Alou and Chris Shelton!


Tell me you knew Chris Shelton prior to this year?? Somebody drafted him maybe 15 rounds into my draft, I didnt even have him on my list.....complete surprise to me. I did grab Bannister (NYM) which was nice on my rotation until he got hurt.... is yours 5X5?
Boonytopia
12-06-2006, 04:08
Cricket is pretty much baseball from what I hear, just with flattened bats and goofier uniforms. Now, the dart game cricket, thats good fun when doing shots.

Not really. The only thing they have in common is that you hit a ball with a stick. Otherwise, it's a very different game. Plus, the baseball uniforms are much "goofier".
AB Again
12-06-2006, 04:25
Tell me you knew Chris Shelton prior to this year?? Somebody drafted him maybe 15 rounds into my draft, I didnt even have him on my list.....complete surprise to me. I did grab Bannister (NYM) which was nice on my rotation until he got hurt.... is yours 5X5?

I had never heard of Chris Shelton prior to this year, but I think I got him by default in round 17 or something.

The league I am in is a rotisserie system, but I am a novice at this so I have no idea what you mean by 5x5.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
12-06-2006, 05:22
Not really. The only thing they have in common is that you hit a ball with a stick. Otherwise, it's a very different game. Plus, the baseball uniforms are much "goofier".

No way. Don't cricket players wear those beanies? That in itself makes for a "stupidest uniform of all time" nomination.
Andaluciae
12-06-2006, 05:40
While as a Cleveland sports fan, I have to admit that despite my hopes throughout the offseason, the Tribe probably won't be able to do it this year. Next year is the year though!
Gun Manufacturers
12-06-2006, 05:48
If we can change it up a bit, how about those devil rays? They are so young so fast, could really be a spoiler down the stretch..... I think Rocco is either back or coming back shortly as well.... I am impressed by what Pinella and the management has done there..

Too bad Lou isn't there anymore (I think he said he's taking the year off, and will try to manage again next year). I always enjoyed watching him, it was fun to see him melt down. :D
Boonytopia
12-06-2006, 06:25
No way. Don't cricket players wear those beanies? That in itself makes for a "stupidest uniform of all time" nomination.

Beanies? No.

They usually wear caps or broad brimmed hats if they're in the field, or helmets if they're batting.
Kiryu-shi
12-06-2006, 15:30
Please, if Clemens wanted to hit Piazza with that broken bat, he would have. It's worth noting that Clemens didn't get in trouble for that, so the umps knew it wasn't intentional.

Speaking of Clemens, I would have loved to see him go a few rounds with Manny (game 3 2003 ALCS, IIRC). Manny would've caught a beatdown, all because he didn't like that pitch (which wasn't even inside).

G_AB_R_H_2B_3B_HR_RBI_TB_BB_SO
8_5__5__5__1_0__3___9__15__0___1

Those are the stats from the last four games that Piazza hit against Clemens before Clemens threw a fastball right at Piazza's head. Clemens couldn't control his temper.

Then in the next time they faced each other, in the world series, Clemens just tossed a bat within a couple of feet of Piazza. Not at a batboy. He can't control his temper.
Molson Park
12-06-2006, 15:43
I don't find any sport boring (this is coming from a female)

Once you start watching it, you get into anything
Minoriteeburg
12-06-2006, 15:46
two words....... GO PHILLIES


still a little bitter about phils releasing thome though
Sylvanwold
12-06-2006, 19:56
two words....... GO PHILLIES


still a little bitter about phils releasing thome though

Yo, dude. Phillies didn't release Thome they traded him to the White Sox for Aaron Rowand. Although Rowand's a very good centerfielder and was an important part of last year's championship run, you gotta like what Thome's done so far for Chicago...(this from a finally placated, long-time, White Sox fan)
Minoriteeburg
12-06-2006, 20:01
Yo, dude. Phillies didn't release Thome they traded him to the White Sox for Aaron Rowand. Although Rowand's a very good centerfielder and was an important part of last year's championship run, you gotta like what Thome's done so far for Chicago...(this from a finally placated, long-time, White Sox fan)


traded thats what i meant, they let billy wagner slip by as well. but im starting to like tom gordon.


and i do respect what hes done for chicago, just wish he would have been contributing all that to the phillies this year.
Kiryu-shi
12-06-2006, 23:12
traded thats what i meant, they let billy wagner slip by as well. but im starting to like tom gordon.


and i do respect what hes done for chicago, just wish he would have been contributing all that to the phillies this year.

He might not have done well back in Philli. It seemed like he really needed a fresh start. And Rowand has been playing well for you guys. Too bad you can't catch the Mets.:D
Vadrouille
12-06-2006, 23:57
While as a Cleveland sports fan, I have to admit that despite my hopes throughout the offseason, the Tribe probably won't be able to do it this year. Next year is the year though!

Don't give up the dream! All we have to do is quit trading all of our good players to the Red Sox, and we'll be set! Go Tribe!
Andaluciae
13-06-2006, 00:28
two words....... GO PHILLIES


still a little bitter about phils releasing thome though
Hell, I'm still bitter that the Tribe lost out and let Thome go to the Phillies in the first place.
Llewdor
13-06-2006, 00:36
It looks like Ichiro is going to put up only the third 250 hit season since 1920, all of them by him (2001, 2004).
AB Again
13-06-2006, 00:46
It looks like Ichiro is going to put up only the third 250 hit season since 1920, all of them by him (2001, 2004).

102 hits with only 16 extra base hits. I sometimes wonder if he actually hits the ball or whether he just outruns the throw to first base from the catcher?
Define meaning
13-06-2006, 02:26
haha, baseball...

Anyway, NY pwns!!!
Kiryu-shi
14-06-2006, 02:45
haha, baseball...

Anyway, NY pwns!!!

Heh, yeah. The Mets are on their way to winning their sixth game in a row over division rival Phillies!!

Mets offence is the best in the NL, including the Cardinals with Pujols.
AB Again
14-06-2006, 02:48
Heh, yeah. The Mets are on their way to winning their sixth game in a row over division rival Phillies!!

Mets offence is the best in the NL, including the Cardinals with Pujols.

Nah, it is better than the Cardinals without fat Albert, but the big man is better by himself than the whole Mets line up. WHo is this D Wright person anyway. :p

The mets are good, but the best, I am not sure. Look at what Texas or the Reds can do as well as the Cards.
Kiryu-shi
14-06-2006, 02:51
Nah, it is better than the Cardinals without fat Albert, but the big man is better by himself than the whole Mets line up. WHo is this D Wright person anyway. :p

The mets are good, but the best, I am not sure. Look at what Texas or the Reds can do as well as the Cards.

GRRR.....

Well, if Jose Reyes' on base percentage ever rose, then the Mets would have easily the best offense. There's a reason I'm winning our fantasy league (Delgado Wright Beltran). Oh yeah, and now my pitching is solid with Willis.:cool:
AB Again
14-06-2006, 02:57
GRRR.....

Well, if Jose Reyes' on base percentage ever rose, then the Mets would have easily the best offense. There's a reason I'm winning our fantasy league (Delgado Wright Beltran). Oh yeah, and now my pitching is solid with Willis.:cool:

I would not claim that my hitters in the league were doing anything, and don't swear (Willis) :headbang:

(Note that I only dissed Wright. In other leagues I own Beltran, and Delgado is doing OK.)
Gun Manufacturers
14-06-2006, 03:02
102 hits with only 16 extra base hits. I sometimes wonder if he actually hits the ball or whether he just outruns the throw to first base from the catcher?

Well, he is somewhat of a speed demon. Of course it helps that he's out of the box and halfway to first before hs finishes his swing. :D
Kiryu-shi
15-06-2006, 03:25
Mets are on their way to winning their 7th game in a row for the second time this year as they are hitting the **** out of the ball on this road trip.

So, the Mets still are owning the National League and have the second best record in all of baseball.

AB again, did you see David Wright's diving double play yesterday? Can you say future Hall of Famer?
AB Again
15-06-2006, 03:48
AB again, did you see David Wright's diving double play yesterday? Can you say future Hall of Famer?

No. There is not exactly a lot of baseball shown here (Brazil) during the World Cup. Actually there si not a lot of baseball shown here outside of the world cup either. We get the Sunday night game on ESPN and that is it.
New-Lexington
15-06-2006, 03:48
They usually do really well playing against the Red Sox and NYY.
It's the other teams they fall apart against. ;)
But they have a closer this year, so they'll do well...
If they can get another good starting pitcher or two.
Toronto? Are you crazy? Hellow the yankees and the red sox in that division too they have no chance for wild card of AL East win.
Gargantua City State
15-06-2006, 03:56
Toronto? Are you crazy? Hellow the yankees and the red sox in that division too they have no chance for wild card of AL East win.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but the Jays are right up there with the red sox and yankees.
They've put a ton of money into their team, and made some good trades this year. If they can keep the players healthy, they'll be in contention all year.
Now that we have Ryan as a closer, we won't blow saves all the time! ;)
Kiryu-shi
15-06-2006, 04:36
Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but the Jays are right up there with the red sox and yankees.
They've put a ton of money into their team, and made some good trades this year. If they can keep the players healthy, they'll be in contention all year.
Now that we have Ryan as a closer, we won't blow saves all the time! ;)

And if there is a time to kick the Yankees from getting to the playoffs, now is the time. They are decimated with injuries and an aging pitching staff (aside from Wang), and are very vulnerable. New York is also turning back into a National League town with the resurgence of the Mets. Now is the time to bring down the evil oppresive Yankee Emipre. HAHAHAHA [/crazy]
Gun Manufacturers
15-06-2006, 05:00
And if there is a time to kick the Yankees from getting to the playoffs, now is the time. They are decimated with injuries and an aging pitching staff (aside from Wang), and are very vulnerable. New York is also turning back into a National League town with the resurgence of the Mets. Now is the time to bring down the evil oppresive Yankee Emipre. HAHAHAHA [/crazy]

Um, do you realize where the Yankees are currently, in regards to the standings? I'll agree that the injuries are affecting them right now, but they're still in first place. Johnson seems to be spotty (but better recently than at the beginning of the season), Mussina has been great, the bullpen (IMO) is better than last year, and Rivera is as dominant as always. As far as the position players, the Yankees are getting contributions from the auxillary players (Bernie Williams, Andy Phillips and Melky Cabrera most notably), and if Matsui and Sheffied can get back before the season ends, it will only strengthen the offense and defense.
Koon Proxy
15-06-2006, 05:04
I'm hoping Detroit pulls it out, but I know this whole top-of-the-majors can't last... I'm thinking that we'll fall apart after the All-Star break, and end up second or third in the division. We'll see though.
Wallonochia
15-06-2006, 05:17
I'm hoping Detroit pulls it out, but I know this whole top-of-the-majors can't last... I'm thinking that we'll fall apart after the All-Star break, and end up second or third in the division. We'll see though.

Well, I have a theory regarding this. My theory is that only two Detroit teams can be doing well at any given time. "Doing well" however, is a relative term. For the Wings or the Pistons, it means the Championship. For the Tigers or the Lions it means a winning season. So things are looking good for the Tigers and Lions. Unless the Shock screw it all up by kicking ass all the way to their championship.
Kiryu-shi
16-06-2006, 02:36
Well the Mets win again today finishing their ten game road trip with nine wins, including eight in a row. Wright hit a three run homer (MVP!!111!!one!!), and the bullpen was solid again. :D
Kiryu-shi
16-06-2006, 02:43
Um, do you realize where the Yankees are currently, in regards to the standings? I'll agree that the injuries are affecting them right now, but they're still in first place. Johnson seems to be spotty (but better recently than at the beginning of the season), Mussina has been great, the bullpen (IMO) is better than last year, and Rivera is as dominant as always. As far as the position players, the Yankees are getting contributions from the auxillary players (Bernie Williams, Andy Phillips and Melky Cabrera most notably), and if Matsui and Sheffied can get back before the season ends, it will only strengthen the offense and defense.

Well, Mussina lost today. The starting pitching for this team worries me, and honestly, I can't believe that the contributions from the back-up outfielders will continue for too long. Although they do deserve praise for hanging onto the division lead and rebounding from a four game sweep.

Johson is continuing to have an up and down season, slightly more up than down recently. Matsui and Sheffield should return sooner, but wrist injuries can have nagging effects on a player's swing, so it's not a garuntee they will play very well (I think Sheffield also has a wrist injury?).
Gun Manufacturers
16-06-2006, 04:43
Well, Mussina lost today. The starting pitching for this team worries me, and honestly, I can't believe that the contributions from the back-up outfielders will continue for too long. Although they do deserve praise for hanging onto the division lead and rebounding from a four game sweep.

Johson is continuing to have an up and down season, slightly more up than down recently. Matsui and Sheffield should return sooner, but wrist injuries can have nagging effects on a player's swing, so it's not a garuntee they will play very well (I think Sheffield also has a wrist injury?).

Yeah, the Yankees should make some moves at or before the trading deadline, to shore up their starters. On a more positive note, Bubba Crosby is back from the DL, so he'll be able to lessen the strain on the other backup outfielders.
The South Islands
16-06-2006, 04:45
Yeah, the Yankees should make some moves at or before the trading deadline, to shore up their starters. On a more positive note, Bubba Crosby is back from the DL, so he'll be able to lessen the strain on the other backup outfielders.

But still, they need some dang pitching.

They godda get someone by the deadline, or their postseason chances are in serious doubt.
Koon Proxy
17-06-2006, 03:52
And Detroit keeps its position... for now. *fingers crossed for the next three months*
Kiryu-shi
17-06-2006, 03:53
So, do you think that the all-star game is a fitting place to decide homefield advantage in the world series? (just trying to bring this thread to life)

Or, what should baseball do with Barry Bonds?

Hey, someone else brought it back.:)
Dude111
17-06-2006, 03:55
Baseball is so fucking boring.
The South Islands
17-06-2006, 03:57
So, do you think that the all-star game is a fitting place to decide homefield advantage in the world series? (just trying to bring this thread to life)

Or, what should baseball do with Barry Bonds?

Hey, someone else brought it back.:)
No F-ing way. Nobody really tries during any all-star game.

I think it should be the league who had the best overall record during interleague play.
The South Islands
17-06-2006, 03:57
Baseball is so fucking boring.

Than don't post in the thread, dumbass. :rolleyes:
Eyster
17-06-2006, 03:59
Baseball is so fucking boring.

Hey, watch your language there pal.

And if by boring you mean great, then yes, you are correct.
Koon Proxy
17-06-2006, 04:00
No F-ing way. Nobody really tries during any all-star game.

I think it should be the league who had the best overall record during interleague play.

I actually am not a big fan of interleague play: the World Series would be cooler (imho) if we knew the two teams had never played before. But whatever.

As far as homefield advantage, it seems the fair thing to do would just have it switch every year. But that's just me.

...I also just noticed Wallonochia's point about Detroit sports teams, which is in fact something I had worked out for myself. So far holding true...
Kiryu-shi
17-06-2006, 04:01
Baseball is so fucking boring.


Baseball is interesting on so many levels. On one hand there is the physical element to it. The 100 plus mile per hour fastball. The diving defensive plays. The massive home runs.

Then there is the numbers game. The thinking game, where you can (or I can), look for hours at raw statistics to formulate ideas and theses about the sport.

There is also the attachment to a certain team that you can get after watching 162 games in a season. The pleasure that I get when the Mets are doing well...well it's not as good as sex, but it is somewhat magical.

To each their own, I guess. I just can never be bored by all the different aspects of baseball.
Dude111
17-06-2006, 04:03
Baseball is interesting on so many levels. On one hand there is the physical element to it. The 100 plus mile per hour fastball. The diving defensive plays. The massive home runs.

Then there is the numbers game. The thinking game, where you can (or I can), look for hours at raw statistics to formulate ideas and theses about the sport.

There is also the attachment to a certain team that you can get after watching 162 games in a season. The pleasure that I get when the Mets are doing well...well it's not as good as sex, but it is somewhat magical.

To each their own, I guess. I just can never be bored by all the different aspects of baseball.
Makes sense I guess. Like with every sport, you have to look beyond the gameplay to the strategical and tactical aspects, but some games are just harder to get into, baseball being one of these "some games."
Dude111
17-06-2006, 04:03
Than don't post in the thread, dumbass. :rolleyes:
I couldn't resist.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
17-06-2006, 04:07
Baseball is so fucking boring.

I believe this is the only time in history that I have agreed with Dude111.
The South Islands
17-06-2006, 04:21
Well, I have a theory regarding this. My theory is that only two Detroit teams can be doing well at any given time. "Doing well" however, is a relative term. For the Wings or the Pistons, it means the Championship. For the Tigers or the Lions it means a winning season. So things are looking good for the Tigers and Lions. Unless the Shock screw it all up by kicking ass all the way to their championship.

I don't think the Shock really count in this scenario...
The South Islands
17-06-2006, 04:43
BTW, has anyone been watching the College World Series?
Kiryu-shi
17-06-2006, 18:29
BTW, has anyone been watching the College World Series?

The Road to Omaha!!!

Sadly no, I don't have cable. :(
Who's strong this year?
Danmarc
17-06-2006, 18:32
Why isn't there more talk of Scott Rolen being THE MAN?? If he keeps up at this pace I think he is a contender for comeback player of the year..
Kiryu-shi
17-06-2006, 18:36
Why isn't there more talk of Scott Rolen being THE MAN?? If he keeps up at this pace I think he is a contender for comeback player of the year..

Nah, Beltran will be comback player in the NL. And Wright is better than Rolen. Well, he will become a better player than Rolens.
The South Islands
17-06-2006, 18:49
The Road to Omaha!!!

Sadly no, I don't have cable. :(
Who's strong this year?

Rice is one of the early favorites. But North Carolina has been the Cinderella story. They didn't win the ACC tournament, and are unranked. But they just beat Cal State-Fullerton in their first WS game. They're looking strong.
The South Islands
17-06-2006, 19:56
BTW, Boston and Atlanta are playing on FOX right now, if anyone's interested.
Wallonochia
17-06-2006, 20:19
I don't think the Shock really count in this scenario...

Never underestimate the universe's ability to make the Lions and Tigers suck.
Kiryu-shi
18-06-2006, 22:52
Mets salvaged one game of a three game series today. Eh. They could have done better.

So, what stadium is your favorite?

I like San Fran and Baltimore. The new Mets stadium is going to be incredible. linky (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nym/ballpark/newpark_overview.jsp) *drools*
The South Islands
18-06-2006, 22:53
Mets salvaged one game of a three game series today. Eh. They could have done better.

So, what stadium is your favorite?

I like San Fran and Baltimore. The new Mets stadium is going to be incredible. linky (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nym/ballpark/newpark_overview.jsp) *drools*

Comerica is a great park. For all the crap that was shouted about abandoing old Tigers Stadium, Comerica is a really nice ballpark.
Koon Proxy
19-06-2006, 03:30
Comerica is a great park. For all the crap that was shouted about abandoing old Tigers Stadium, Comerica is a really nice ballpark.

I really have to agree there. :D

And the Tigers win again... *keeps fingers crossed*
The South Islands
19-06-2006, 03:39
I really have to agree there. :D

And the Tigers win again... *keeps fingers crossed*

Yeah...but I'm still kinda waiting for the bottom to fall out.

Where in the mitten are you?
Koon Proxy
19-06-2006, 03:51
I'm uh, about there *points* I'm about halfway between Detroit and Lansing, north of Ann Arbor, south of Flint.
The South Islands
19-06-2006, 03:55
I'm uh, about there *points* I'm about halfway between Detroit and Lansing, north of Ann Arbor, south of Flint.

You're in the middle of nowhere!
Wallonochia
19-06-2006, 03:57
I'm uh, about there *points* I'm about halfway between Detroit and Lansing, north of Ann Arbor, south of Flint.

Brighton? I haven't been down to Ann Arbor for a while, so I forget what exactly is in that direction.
A Three Legged Dog
19-06-2006, 04:02
In my world, Pujols is Satan incarnate.
Still furious over that game last year.
Well, I like Backe a lot, and Clemens too, but Oswalt is the most important, given he is MUCH better than Petitie.


PUJOLS IS AMAZING!!!
He has ended Lidges career.
'
Pujols has still a good shot a MVP, He is still leading in Home Runs and RBIs even though he has been out two weeks or so.

Scott Rolen will be comeback player of the year. His average is amazing, and the Mets will lose both series to the Cardinals this season.
Kiryu-shi
20-06-2006, 02:13
Your favorite baseball fight? I liked the Yankees/Red Sox one where the old fat bum charged Pedro and got knocked down.
Myrmidonisia
20-06-2006, 02:16
They usually do really well playing against the Red Sox and NYY.
It's the other teams they fall apart against. ;)
But they have a closer this year, so they'll do well...
If they can get another good starting pitcher or two.
I just watched the Sox sweep the Braves. What a lousy month Atlanta has had. Sad thing for the NL is they're only 6-1/2 games out for the wild card.
Myrmidonisia
20-06-2006, 02:19
Mets salvaged one game of a three game series today. Eh. They could have done better.

So, what stadium is your favorite?

I like San Fran and Baltimore. The new Mets stadium is going to be incredible. linky (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nym/ballpark/newpark_overview.jsp) *drools*
When does the Met implosion start? We Atlanta fans are counting on it.

I like Fenway park, then Wrigley. The new stadiums are a little too slick and homogeneous for my taste. Every stadium should have a section that is seated behind a pillar, obscuring the view of the field.
Kiryu-shi
20-06-2006, 02:31
When does the Met implosion start? We Atlanta fans are counting on it.

Fifteen years, after the retirement of Wright, Milledge and Reyes. See you in a decade in a half, cellar dwellars!!:D
M3rcenaries
20-06-2006, 02:45
Your favorite baseball fight? I liked the Yankees/Red Sox one where the old fat bum charged Pedro and got knocked down.
The one where Pierzynski got punched not too long ago was a good one. White Sox won that one of course.
Koon Proxy
20-06-2006, 03:14
Brighton? I haven't been down to Ann Arbor for a while, so I forget what exactly is in that direction.

Yah, you got it. It's okay. I actually can't stand suburbs - I either want out in the country or actually in the town. Meh.
A Three Legged Dog
20-06-2006, 05:45
Fifteen years, after the retirement of Wright, Milledge and Reyes. See you in a decade in a half, cellar dwellars!!:D


During those 15 years the Mets will be looking up at the Cardinals.
Kiryu-shi
22-06-2006, 22:37
I went to the Mets game today.:) Got in for five dollars, it was a great game!!!!
Kiryu-shi
23-06-2006, 00:12
My early season play-off predictions:

NL East: Mets
NL Central: Reds
NL West: Arizona
NL Wildcard: Cardinals

AL East: Boston
AL Central: White Sox
AL West: Athletics
AL Wildcard: Detroit

So who do you think will make it to the post season?
Myrmidonisia
23-06-2006, 00:24
My early season play-off predictions:

NL East: Mets
NL Central: Reds
NL West: Arizona
NL Wildcard: Cardinals

AL East: Boston
AL Central: White Sox
AL West: Athletics
AL Wildcard: Detroit

So who do you think will make it to the post season?
Those aren't bad choices. I think the Reds and Cardinals should be reversed. The question in Atlanta is "What team will finish with a worse record than the Braves?" I think that only the Cubs will do worse.
M3rcenaries
23-06-2006, 00:26
Those aren't bad choices. I think the Reds and Cardinals should be reversed. The question in Atlanta is "What team will finish with a worse record than the Braves?" I think that only the Cubs will do worse.
The Cubs will do worse, thats assured.
Kiryu-shi
23-06-2006, 00:46
Those aren't bad choices. I think the Reds and Cardinals should be reversed. The question in Atlanta is "What team will finish with a worse record than the Braves?" I think that only the Cubs will do worse.

I'm guessing KC. Totally on a limb there.
AB Again
23-06-2006, 00:54
The question in Atlanta is "What team will finish with a worse record than the Braves?" I think that only the Cubs will do worse.

In addition to the Royals, how about the Devil Rays and the Pirates.
Myrmidonisia
23-06-2006, 00:59
In addition to the Royals, how about the Devil Rays and the Pirates.
Way too many teams. Remember, the Braves have lost the last 19 of 22. They haven't done that since the '80s. At least they had Hammerin' Hank to watch, then.

On another note, WTF is up with MLB? Ozzie Guillen says something off-color about a columnist and he needs to have sensitivity training? Selig needs to go.
Kiryu-shi
23-06-2006, 01:21
Way too many teams. Remember, the Braves have lost the last 19 of 22. They haven't done that since the '80s. At least they had Hammerin' Hank to watch, then.
Your forgetting that they will win against the Mets at the end of the year. :(
They are also in a division with the Marlins, and they will cool back down and become horrible again.

On another note, WTF is up with MLB? Ozzie Guillen says something off-color about a columnist and he needs to have sensitivity training? Selig needs to go.
Everything is overely PC now a days. Anybody hear about the Kieth Hernandez incident about the woman in the dugout?
AB Again
23-06-2006, 01:26
Way too many teams. Remember, the Braves have lost the last 19 of 22. They haven't done that since the '80s. At least they had Hammerin' Hank to watch, then.

On another note, WTF is up with MLB? Ozzie Guillen says something off-color about a columnist and he needs to have sensitivity training? Selig needs to go.

So which of the cubs, Devil Rays, Pirates and Royals are going to beter than the braves?
Gun Manufacturers
23-06-2006, 02:01
Way too many teams. Remember, the Braves have lost the last 19 of 22. They haven't done that since the '80s. At least they had Hammerin' Hank to watch, then.

On another note, WTF is up with MLB? Ozzie Guillen says something off-color about a columnist and he needs to have sensitivity training? Selig needs to go.

He's lucky that's all he got. In most professions, making slurs like that gets you fired.
[NS:::]KnifeKing
23-06-2006, 02:01
I know there kind of sucking it up this year but the Twins will always be my favorites they got some great players offense and deffense just need to work toghether better.
Sdaeriji
23-06-2006, 02:50
Way too many teams. Remember, the Braves have lost the last 19 of 22. They haven't done that since the '80s. At least they had Hammerin' Hank to watch, then.

Well, they're only 8.5 out of the Wild Card. If they can get at least some of their shit together they can get right back into it.
The South Islands
23-06-2006, 03:19
Tigers still the best team in baseball...
Myrmidonisia
23-06-2006, 12:27
He's lucky that's all he got. In most professions, making slurs like that gets you fired.
A few years ago, everyone would have just ignored it. It's just talk, but now every minority out there looks for an excuse to become insulted.

Oh well, Go Braves!
Myrmidonisia
23-06-2006, 12:29
Well, they're only 8.5 out of the Wild Card. If they can get at least some of their shit together they can get right back into it.
LOL. A couple days ago they were only 6 1/2 out. Problem is that everyone else is still ahead of them. And I mean everyone. Only the Cubs and the Pirates are doing worse.

Maybe AOL will lower ticket prices next year.
Myrmidonisia
23-06-2006, 12:30
So which of the cubs, Devil Rays, Pirates and Royals are going to beter than the braves?
Tampa and maybe the Royals. I was mainly thinking about NL teams when I started.
Kiryu-shi
26-06-2006, 04:51
Mets won today!!!

Um...so. Whats been going on with your respective favorite teams? I've been away from the internet and TV for the last couple of days, so whos hot, and whos not?

Mets are still by far in first in the NL. Thats all I know.
The South Islands
26-06-2006, 05:02
And the Tigers swept the Cards.

How sweet it is...
Myrmidonisia
26-06-2006, 10:05
Mets won today!!!

Um...so. Whats been going on with your respective favorite teams? I've been away from the internet and TV for the last couple of days, so whos hot, and whos not?

Mets are still by far in first in the NL. Thats all I know.
These are the pre-All Star game Mets. How many years have they just folded afterwards? I mean, over the last 15 years, they've choked worse than the Braves.

Remember where Florida was in May? They sucked, now they're doing well. Baseball is so streaky, it's hard to figure out how a team will do from month to month.

Go Braves, Beat NY.
Kiryu-shi
28-06-2006, 05:46
These are the pre-All Star game Mets. How many years have they just folded afterwards? I mean, over the last 15 years, they've choked worse than the Braves.

Remember where Florida was in May? They sucked, now they're doing well. Baseball is so streaky, it's hard to figure out how a team will do from month to month.

Go Braves, Beat NY.
The Mets are 11.5 games up on 2nd place, and 15 games up on the Braves. I'm pretty sure that the Mets are going to pretty much cruise from here.
Myrmidonisia
28-06-2006, 12:31
The Mets are 11.5 games up on 2nd place, and 15 games up on the Braves. I'm pretty sure that the Mets are going to pretty much cruise from here.
I'm not sure there's ever a _sure_ thing in baseball, but I'd rather be sitting in Minaya's chair than in Schuerholz's. You're right, though, the Mets would have to try awfully hard to screw things up with the kind of lead they have right now. You need to add that they have the best record in the NL, too.
Wallonochia
28-06-2006, 15:23
And the Tigers swept the Cards.

How sweet it is...

And everyone continues to ignore them.
Minoriteeburg
28-06-2006, 15:45
The Mets are 11.5 games up on 2nd place, and 15 games up on the Braves. I'm pretty sure that the Mets are going to pretty much cruise from here.


unless the phillies get their shit together, lots of young talent and potential.

especially in ryan howard.
Kiryu-shi
13-07-2006, 02:44
unless the phillies get their shit together, lots of young talent and potential.

especially in ryan howard.

He looked scary in the home-run derby, but I think that the Mets still have got this division locked up for this year.

Out these four teams, which does not make the playoffs? Yankees, Detriot, Red Sox, or White Sox?

I'll say the Yankees, not only cause I hate them, but I think that the team is too injury prone and old to make a great playoff run. The pitching staff and the outfield especially, unless they can pull some amazing trades somehow.
IDF
13-07-2006, 02:49
My current postseason projections

NL EAST: Mets
NL CENTRAL: Cardinals
NL West: Padres
NL Wildcard: Astros

NLCS Mets vs. Cards

NL Pennant winner: Mets

AL East: Red Sox
AL Central: White Sox
AL West: A's
AL Wildcard: Tigers

ALCS White Sox vs. Tigers

AL Pennant winner: White Sox


World Series winner: WHITE SOX!!!
A Lynx Bus
13-07-2006, 02:53
al east: devil rays
al central: royals

no?


:(
IDF
13-07-2006, 02:54
Is anyone else looking foward to the AL Central race? It will be even more fun if the Twinkies get in it.
Kiryu-shi
13-07-2006, 03:11
Is anyone else looking foward to the AL Central race? It will be even more fun if the Twinkies get in it.

That is going to be exciting to watch, for sure. The Twins pitching could easily bring them back into the race. It's going to make for a ton of meaningful games in the AL.
Baked squirrels
13-07-2006, 03:21
That is going to be exciting to watch, for sure. The Twins pitching could easily bring them back into the race. It's going to make for a ton of meaningful games in the AL.

that would be awesome go Twinkies
The South Islands
13-07-2006, 03:37
Is anyone else looking foward to the AL Central race? It will be even more fun if the Twinkies get in it.

The AL Central is by far the best division in baseball. It's going to be exiting down the stretch. I just hope my Tigers can keep it together down the strech.
Kiryu-shi
25-07-2006, 20:14
Mets have lost two games in a row...:( Oh well.

So what do people think of A-Rod? Is he just someone who people love to hate, or does he deserve the attention he's getting? Are his problems going to be permanant, or will he rebound? Should the Yanks try to trade him, or should they try to work with him?

Personally, I think that he is a good player, an excellent talent, who is not able to deal with pressure well. New York is not a good environment for him, so he should probably be dealt away to a smaller market team. I think the fans will not forgive him unless he wins a couple of world series rings for the Yankees, and I don't think that he will be able to help the Yankees win one. If he can find a comfortable situation on another team, I think that he will be able to flourish again. He is also not getting any public support from his teammates, especially Jeter, which might indicate some tension within the clubhouse. After all, it is Jeter's responsibility as the team captain to defend his teamate from the press, yet Jeter has remained silent.

Or, if you could care less about A-rod and his struggles, who do you think will be traded at the deadline this year?

Try to keep this thread alive until the end of the season!!!
Minoriteeburg
25-07-2006, 20:20
He looked scary in the home-run derby, but I think that the Mets still have got this division locked up for this year.

Out these four teams, which does not make the playoffs? Yankees, Detriot, Red Sox, or White Sox?

I'll say the Yankees, not only cause I hate them, but I think that the team is too injury prone and old to make a great playoff run. The pitching staff and the outfield especially, unless they can pull some amazing trades somehow.


mets are definitely getting the division. i recently heard of a good trade rumor between BAL and PHI. Tejada for Abreu. i say the phils should take it if they want even the slightest of chances of making it in the playoffs.
Gun Manufacturers
25-07-2006, 23:33
He looked scary in the home-run derby, but I think that the Mets still have got this division locked up for this year.

Out these four teams, which does not make the playoffs? Yankees, Detriot, Red Sox, or White Sox?

I'll say the Yankees, not only cause I hate them, but I think that the team is too injury prone and old to make a great playoff run. The pitching staff and the outfield especially, unless they can pull some amazing trades somehow.


Don't write off the Yankees yet. They're getting production from their younger players, and the Yankees were the first team with 3 10+ game winners this year. They know how to get to the playoffs, and always seem to pick it up after the All-Star break.
Fartsniffage
25-07-2006, 23:36
From what I've seen so far the Mets look set to take the pennant.
Baked squirrels
25-07-2006, 23:39
c'mon Twinkies were so close
Les Drapeaux Brulants
26-07-2006, 00:10
Mets have lost two games in a row...:( Oh well.

With the Braves latest winning streaks, this might well spell the end of the Mets. If the trends continue, the head-to-head games will be a lot more interesting.
Llewdor
26-07-2006, 00:24
Don't write off the Yankees yet. They're getting production from their younger players, and the Yankees were the first team with 3 10+ game winners this year. They know how to get to the playoffs, and always seem to pick it up after the All-Star break.
If Matsui and Sheffield come back and produce at all, that offense looks really good.

But their pitching has been poor - those W-L records rest mostly on run support. Only Mussina and Wang are genuinely good, and I'm worried about Wang. He has such a low K-rate, he's heavily reliant on his ability to induce groundballs and prevent homeruns. The Yankees do not have a good infield defense, and their outfield allows runners to take extra bases because they have such weak arms.
Gun Manufacturers
26-07-2006, 08:48
If Matsui and Sheffield come back and produce at all, that offense looks really good.

But their pitching has been poor - those W-L records rest mostly on run support. Only Mussina and Wang are genuinely good, and I'm worried about Wang. He has such a low K-rate, he's heavily reliant on his ability to induce groundballs and prevent homeruns. The Yankees do not have a good infield defense, and their outfield allows runners to take extra bases because they have such weak arms.

The offense usually isn't the problem with the Yankees. :D

Randy Johnson is hit or miss, but he's getting better. I do wish Wang got more Ks/9, but he's got the big sinker, so ground outs are his bread and butter (he's got a team best 3.11 ground out/fly out ratio). He's also the most economical of the Yankees starters, with an average of 13.88 pitches per inning pitched. The biggest aggravation (IMO) as far as the pitching staff goes, would have to be Carl Pavano. Hell, the Yankees are getting more production out of Jaret Wright than Carl Pavano (I would like to see Jaret Wright make it past the 6th inning, too). The bullpen (except for Mariano) could use some work, but Octavio Dotel should be ready to help soon.

Cano should be back soon (which will hopefully help the infield), and Melky Cabrera has a strong arm and 8-9 assists to go with it (IIRC, he's only trailing Ichiro for AL Outfield Assists).

Speaking of Ichiro, I'd love to see him in a Yankee uniform. :D

All in all, the Yankees aren't in the best position to get to the playoffs, but as I've said before, they know what they need to do to get there. Just remember, everyone doubted they'd get to the playoffs last year, and they ended up winning the AL East.
Myotisinia
26-07-2006, 09:18
Go Cardinals. What grinds my gears about MLB is that they have attempted to legitimize the All-Star Game, by making the league team winner of it (which has been an American League team for what, is it 11 years now?) the recipient of home field advantage for the World Series instead of best record during the regular season like it had always used to be. Totally unfair. It virtually assures that an American League team will win it, since it stacks the odds against any National League team that might get there. And this was done solely to "increase" fan interest in what is, let's face it, an exhibition game.
Gartref
26-07-2006, 09:42
The Twins have been on fire since mid-june. They've made up a ton of games and now threaten to overtake the Sox in the AL wildcard.


Go Twins!!
Llewdor
26-07-2006, 18:09
Speaking of Ichiro, I'd love to see him in a Yankee uniform.
Won't happen. If he leaves the Mariners he'll go back to Japan.

Which would be a shame. He just broke Wade Boggs's record for most hits in a six year period - and he has 3 more months to set a new one.

The Yankees' postseason chances have improved a lot in the past month or so, but that's largely due to the collapse of the White Sox. The wild card is now within reach of both the Yankees and the Jays (and the Twins), when before it looked certain to be whichever of Chicago and Detroit finished second.
Kiryu-shi
15-08-2006, 14:24
Been caught up in high school baseball in Japan!!!

Updates on trends in mlb that don't have to do with the Mets (who suffered their worst lost in 3 years)?

I'm not supposed to look at the standings untill I go home or any other teams' (besides the Mets) website, just caused I dared myself, so, whats new?
Gun Manufacturers
15-08-2006, 20:46
So, how's everyone's team doing today.




My team is leading it's division by 2 games. :)
Minoriteeburg
15-08-2006, 20:51
2 words.....


GO PHILLIES!
Gusitania
15-08-2006, 21:01
GO DODGERS!!!!!


(and yes Minoritee, although I live in the shadow of Filthy-delphia, and have been roundly criticised on AOL by a fellow Readingite, I bleed Dodger blue) :)
Utracia
15-08-2006, 23:58
Red Sox better get their act together. Starting to piss me off.
Katganistan
16-08-2006, 00:04
LET'S GO METS!!!
The Gupta Dynasty
16-08-2006, 00:32
Mets...oh, boo-ooo-ooo. SUPPORT THE ULTIMATE TEAM OF FALIURE-OSITY!! GO CUBS!!!
Demon 666
16-08-2006, 00:36
Why, Astros?
Why do you do to this me?
The Gupta Dynasty
16-08-2006, 00:38
Haha...thou canst beat the man of steel (Zambrano, obviously enough)! 8-1 is his away record! You can't beat that!
Utracia
16-08-2006, 00:42
Mets...oh, boo-ooo-ooo. SUPPORT THE ULTIMATE TEAM OF FALIURE-OSITY!! GO CUBS!!!

What? Three miracle World Series wins in a row?
The Gupta Dynasty
16-08-2006, 00:45
What? Three miracle World Series wins in a row?

Meanie! You must not insult the Cubs! *sulks* Ok, ok, go ahead, have your fun, you'll see...someday...
Gusitania
16-08-2006, 15:21
What was the joke that George Will just made in a speech the other week...

"Why dont the Cubs have a Website?"

They cant put 3 "W"s in a row.
Minoriteeburg
16-08-2006, 16:01
LET'S GO METS!!!

When is the last time the phils got 10+ runs off the mets 2 straight games


6 off of pedro in one inning!

ryan howard MVP!!! :D
Cluichstan
16-08-2006, 16:02
When is the last time the phils got 10+ runs off the mets 2 straight games


6 off of pedro in one inning!

ryan howard MVP!!! :D

I have to say that I was brilliant drafting him so high in the NS fantasy league. :cool:
Minoriteeburg
16-08-2006, 16:04
I have to say that I was brilliant drafting him so high in the NS fantasy league. :cool:

i think every fantasy leaguer who has him is crapping themselves..

the phillies defintiely wont win world series, but making to the playoffs is fine with me, they need to get the image of 1993 out of their fans heads...
Cluichstan
16-08-2006, 16:05
i think every fantasy leaguer who has him is crapping themselves..

the phillies defintiely wont win world series, but making to the playoffs is fine with me, they need to get the image of 1993 out of their fans heads...

And '83, when the Orioles spanked them. Still got 1980, though. I was a Phillies fan back then. I still remember jumping around like a maniac when Tug McGraw finished off the Royals.

Yeah, I'm old... :p
Minoriteeburg
16-08-2006, 16:11
And '83, when the Orioles spanked them. Still got 1980, though. I was a Phillies fan back then. I still remember jumping around like a maniac when Tug McGraw finished off the Royals.

Yeah, I'm old... :p


so you dont remember '93.

i dont remember any players houses being burned down as a result of '83...unlike he who shall remain nameless *cough*mitchwilliams*cough*
Cluichstan
16-08-2006, 16:16
so you dont remember '93.

i dont remember any players houses being burned down as a result of '83...unlike he who shall remain nameless *cough*mitchwilliams*cough*

I remember it. I was in an Irish pub in Baltimore when the Phils lost.
Minoriteeburg
16-08-2006, 16:19
I remember it. I was in an Irish pub in Baltimore when the Phils lost.

and they have been shite ever since...this year is a nice change for the phils. Even if they dont make the wild card this year (becaue the race is tough) if they can get a couple of good free agent signings (maybe some starting pitchers) they will definitely be a threat next year.
Cluichstan
16-08-2006, 16:21
and they have been shite ever since...this year is a nice change for the phils. Even if they dont make the wild card this year (becaue the race is tough) if they can get a couple of good free agent signings (maybe some starting pitchers) they will definitely be a threat next year.

They definitely need pitching. They can't count on their wife-beater to carry them. And with the demise of the Braves, they do have a shot.
Minoriteeburg
16-08-2006, 16:23
They definitely need pitching. They can't count on their wife-beater to carry them. And with the demise of the Braves, they do have a shot.


they need a veteran starter, someone to teach all these youngin' pitchers a thing or two....
Utracia
17-08-2006, 19:12
When is the last time the phils got 10+ runs off the mets 2 straight games


6 off of pedro in one inning!

ryan howard MVP!!! :D

Pedro's return to Fenway was enjoyable as well. Much more fun for me as the Sox tore him up. :)
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 19:20
Pedro's return to Fenway was enjoyable as well. Much more fun for me as the Sox tore him up. :)


yeah but you'd expect it from the sox, defintely not from the phils.

they havent had an offense in forever. theyve had some great hitters come and go recently(Glanville, Rolen, etc.). but nothing compared to the roster they have now.
Kiryu-shi
20-08-2006, 16:02
yay for pedro-bashing!:rolleyes:

So what are the odds of a NL team winning the World series? The Mets would have to have amazing injury recoveries to win it all, and almost no other team, I think, has a remote chance.

**** Just saw this bad news (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060820&content_id=1619813&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym). Scary, I hope he is ok, not just for the Mets, but it sounds like it could be serious

And then the Philles get Jaime Moyer.
Kiryu-shi
28-08-2006, 21:24
Mets win, take two out of three from Phils, bring down magic number to 18. :)

Just trying to keep the thread alive so...
With the Yankees 5 game sweep of Boston, looks like NY will have both Eastern division championships, but who else will make the playoffs? Phillies are looking getting hot going into the last month, and are looking at an easy schedule, but there are just so many teams. Al wildcard looks like the Twins or ChiSox, but anything is still possible. If only Liriano didn't get hurt.

My new predictions are:
Yankees, Tigers, A's wildcard: Chicago.
Mets, Reds, Padres, wildcard: Phillies.

thoughts?
Myrmidonisia
29-08-2006, 03:58
yay for pedro-bashing!:rolleyes:

So what are the odds of a NL team winning the World series? The Mets would have to have amazing injury recoveries to win it all, and almost no other team, I think, has a remote chance.

**** Just saw this bad news (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060820&content_id=1619813&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym). Scary, I hope he is ok, not just for the Mets, but it sounds like it could be serious

And then the Philles get Jaime Moyer.

Apparently, Glavine isn't in any grave danger. Some baby asprin is all he needs to get the blood flowing again.

Don't know how well the Mets are going to do without some solid pitching, though. Even with their hot bats, you need good pitching to win a championship. ( Other than the NL East, that's a lock)
Kiryu-shi
19-09-2006, 06:07
THE NEW YORK METS CLINCH THEIR FIRST NATIONAL LEAGUE EAST DIVISION TITLE SINCE 1988
and I was there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In one of the most electrifying moments of my young life, I was at Shea Stadium today to witness the first Mets division title of my life with a 4-0 win over the Marlins. I have lost my voice from yelling, my hands are actually sore from clapping, and I am so pumped on adreneline that I won't be able to sleep for hours. YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! PUT IT IN THE BOOKS!!!!!!!!

JOSE! JOSE JOSE JOSE!!!!!!!!!! JOSE!!!!!!!!! JOSE!!!!!!!!!*
BELTRAN FOR MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LETSGOMETS!!!!!

LETSGOMETS!!!!!
/hysterical rant/maniacal chanting
*to the tune of the Ole soccer chant
Demon 666
19-09-2006, 06:10
Don't get me started on Beltran.
And we're probably ou of the playoffs.
Why has this year sucked so much for us?:mad:
Kiryu-shi
19-09-2006, 06:30
Don't get me started on Beltran.
And we're probably ou of the playoffs.
Why has this year sucked so much for us?:mad:

Your team is the Astros?

If so, Beltran was only a post season rental for you guys, but a long term investment for us. The Astros are an ok, but not a good team. The whole NL is terrible in general.
Utracia
19-09-2006, 17:23
Your team is the Astros?

If so, Beltran was only a post season rental for you guys, but a long term investment for us. The Astros are an ok, but not a good team. The whole NL is terrible in general.

I can certainly agree with that. World Series seems to be a guarenteed AL win.
Kiryu-shi
26-09-2006, 01:10
I keep on gravedigging this thread over and over.

Are the Cardinals going to hold on to the division?

Who will win the wildcard races?

Who will win the coveted American League championship (since the Mets already more or less clinched the World Series:D )?
Swilatia
26-09-2006, 01:51
baseball is teh gay. tis' the most boring sport ever.
Kiryu-shi
26-09-2006, 01:55
baseball is teh gay. tis' the most boring sport ever.

If you don't like it, why did you post in here? Why did you even open the thread?
Utracia
26-09-2006, 14:06
I'd say Tigers to win it all. Never thought I'd say that in April...
Kiryu-shi
28-09-2006, 04:37
I'd say Tigers to win it all. Never thought I'd say that in April...

lol, but do you think that the tigers have enough firepower to beat the Yankees? I hope that the Yankees pitching will collapse enough for someone to beat them, but there lineup is so scary.
Utracia
28-09-2006, 04:45
lol, but do you think that the tigers have enough firepower to beat the Yankees? I hope that the Yankees pitching will collapse enough for someone to beat them, but there lineup is so scary.

The Yankees lineup is pretty much exactly the same yet teams have gotten by them the past few years. It does seem however that it will depend on Tiger pitching to get Detroit through games. They actually have both a decent starting rotation and bullpen. Their offense now... well pray for good pitching to kick Yankee ass.
Kiryu-shi
28-09-2006, 05:01
The Yankees lineup is pretty much exactly the same yet teams have gotten by them the past few years. It does seem however that it will depend on Tiger pitching to get Detroit through games. They actually have both a decent starting rotation and bullpen. Their offense now... well pray for good pitching to kick Yankee ass.

But they have Damon, Sheffield and Matsui back, Abreu, better Cano and Cabrera. They have possibly, if healthy, six to ten legit allstars in their starting line up.

Sheffield, Matsui, A-Rod, Jeter, Cano, Abreu are all all-stars if healthy, I believe. Posada, Giambi, Damon and Melky Cabrera all could be.

They have 3 starters batting over 340.
Maybe someone could infect them all with food poisoning....

The new-look Yankees -- finally able to bat the likes of Gary Sheffield, Hideki Matsui, Jason Giambi and Bobby Abreu at the same time -- pounded out 18 hits, including a season-high five home runs, en route to a long, but easy 16-5 win over the Orioles on Wednesday night at Yankee Stadium.

Just how good was this lineup? The No. 8 hitter, Jorge Posada, came in with 20 home runs and 85 RBIs, and No. 9 hitter Robinson Cano was hitting .343 and battling for the American League batting title.

And that's aside from the regular group of superstars such as Johnny Damon, Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez.

ARE YOU F**CKING KIDDING ME?! This team needs to be beaten, its not right.
Utracia
29-09-2006, 01:17
But they have Damon, Sheffield and Matsui back, Abreu, better Cano and Cabrera. They have possibly, if healthy, six to ten legit allstars in their starting line up.

Sheffield, Matsui, A-Rod, Jeter, Cano, Abreu are all all-stars if healthy, I believe. Posada, Giambi, Damon and Melky Cabrera all could be.

They have 3 starters batting over 340.
Maybe someone could infect them all with food poisoning....

With the exception of Damon the lineup dosn't have any real differences then it has the last few years and yet they have been beaten. If Detroit pitches well and can keep the Yankee offense down then they have a good chance.

Besides, as it currently stands I believe Detroit will get Oakland and I think the Tigers can certainly take any team out of the AL West.
Utracia
29-09-2006, 15:44
Pedro Martinez has been put on the DL and will be out for the postseason. Still, given the quality of the other NL teams, it seems World Series will come for the Mets anyway.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6011954
Myrmidonisia
29-09-2006, 15:59
Pedro Martinez has been put on the DL and will be out for the postseason. Still, given the quality of the other NL teams, it seems World Series will come for the Mets anyway.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6011954

If the Mets see any good pitching, they're out. Look what the lowly Braves did to them in two nights -- 25-2? This is the Met implosion that I wondered about several posts back.
Utracia
29-09-2006, 21:52
If the Mets see any good pitching, they're out. Look what the lowly Braves did to them in two nights -- 25-2? This is the Met implosion that I wondered about several posts back.

It seems that they simply failed to perform. If anything I think it will depend on the Mets lineup to get them through the postseason especially now that they have lost Pedro.
Myrmidonisia
29-09-2006, 22:48
It seems that they simply failed to perform. If anything I think it will depend on the Mets lineup to get them through the postseason especially now that they have lost Pedro.

That is what they do every year. How many years have we been waiting for a real pennant race in the NL East? Lots. Every year, the Mets just lose interest in baseball toward the end of the season. If they couldn't score a single run against Smoltz and could only score once the next night -- remember they lost a bunch before the Braves series, too -- they'll never get past the first round.
Maineiacs
29-09-2006, 23:13
I'd say Tigers to win it all. Never thought I'd say that in April...

Wrong. It'll be the Twins. Mauer for MVP and Santana for the Cy Young! *w00t!*:D
Utracia
29-09-2006, 23:14
That is what they do every year. How many years have we been waiting for a real pennant race in the NL East? Lots. Every year, the Mets just lose interest in baseball toward the end of the season. If they couldn't score a single run against Smoltz and could only score once the next night -- remember they lost a bunch before the Braves series, too -- they'll never get past the first round.

So who else will make it? Maybe Carpenter and Pujols will win it all for the Cardinals? Of course Houston looks like they can cut ahead...

If anyone in the NL is going to win it has to be the Mets.

Of course I still have my sights on the Tigers taking it all. As long as it isn't the Yankees though, I'll be cool with it. :)
Kiryu-shi
30-09-2006, 04:36
The Mets were without Pedro for almost half the season; while he is a loss, they won plenty without him.

Just saying:
The Mets have lost seven of their last eight games and are 11-15 in September. But don't fret, Mets fans, several teams have struggled in September/October but still won the World Series that year. Here are some examples during the wild card era:

2005 White Sox: 4-10 during one stretch in September, turning a 9½-game lead to 1½
2002 Angels: 5-8 over last 13 games of the season
2001 Diamondbacks: 14-13 in September/October
2000 Yankees: 13-18 in September/October, 2-13 in last 15 games, lost last seven
1997 Marlins: 12-15 in September, 2-7 in last nine games
The South Islands
30-09-2006, 05:24
Mmmm....It will be glorious when the Tigers clinch the Division in a few days. I plan on getting very drunk.
IL Ruffino
30-09-2006, 05:26
Baseball?

We play cricket over here!
Qazox
30-09-2006, 05:30
NATIONAL LEAGUE:
NLDS:
Mets vs. Dodgers (Mets in 4)
Padres vs. Astros (Astros in 5)
(yep Cards Choke out)

NLCS:
Mets vs. Astros (Mets in 6...just like 1986!!!!)

AMERICAN LEAGUE
ALDS:
Yankees vs. Twins (Twins in 5.. ty Santana)
Tigers vs A's (Tigers in 5)

ALCS:
Tigers vs. Twins (Twins in 7)

WORLD SERIES:
Mets vs. Twins

TWINS IN 6

YOUR 2006 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS: MINNESOTA TWINS
Utracia
30-09-2006, 13:53
NATIONAL LEAGUE:
NLDS:
Mets vs. Dodgers (Mets in 4)
Padres vs. Astros (Astros in 5)
(yep Cards Choke out)


Heh. The Cards won and Astros lost last night. Astros have to win both their remaining games and Cards have to lose all three. Think it can happen? I suppose some luck can occur...
Utracia
03-10-2006, 00:10
AL

Yankees vs. Tigers

Twins vs. Athletics

NL

Mets vs. Dodgers

Padres vs. Cardinals


I am going to have to stick with my orgional prediction. Tigers/Mets World Series (Tigers in 6)
GoodThoughts
03-10-2006, 00:13
How do you spell choke?


TIGERS!
Potarius
03-10-2006, 00:19
It sucks that the Astros went into a slump for half a season again, but hey, Garner made some terrible decisions that lost a lot of games.

I think the most idiotic one was giving Wandy Rodriguez a starting position over Taylor Bucholz. He soon found that doing so was a terrible mistake (because Wandy's a total joke), so he put Bucholz in ahead of him, and sent Wandy down to AAA.

Bucholz had a few problems with his mechanics, so he was sent down to AAA, with Wandy being brought back. And what happens? Garner gives Wandy a starting position again. Big mistake, since Wandy gave up multiple runs in each of the games he started in after that. So, he sends Wandy down to AAA again, and brings Bucholz back. Does he give Bucholz a starting position? Nope. Not even as a Relief pitcher or a Closer.

And don't even get me started on him benching Mike Lamb for most of the season, along with Eric Brunlett. And not bringing Luke Scott up from AAA earlier in the season was idiotic. Oh, and using Brad Lidge as a closer when you know he's going to walk the first two batters is the epitome of ineptitude. Keeping him in after doing so just goes beyond the limit of what we call "stupidity".

I honestly didn't see what the problem was with Jimmy Williams. Unlike Garner, he didn't plague his team with horrible decisions. He just had horrible players.
Llewdor
03-10-2006, 00:19
Wrong. It'll be the Twins. Mauer for MVP and Santana for the Cy Young! *w00t!*:D
If anyone other than Santana wins the MVP it will be a travesty. Santana has easily been the greatest player this season.

Two guys I think warrant down-ballot support for those two awards who I think the voters will overlook ar Roy Halladay and Travis Hafner. Both missed some time due to injury (especially at the end of the season), but they were so strong before that they certainly warrants some votes.

But Santana needs to win both awards. No question.
GoodThoughts
03-10-2006, 00:28
Santana should get the Cy. Justin Morneau deserves the MVP more that Joe (sideburns) Mauer. Justin did more for the team than Joe. Justin had hits in situations when the team needed someone to score runs. He started out average at best and then took off without looking back. The team turned things around when he straightened out his act and started hitting for average and power.
Utracia
03-10-2006, 00:29
How do you spell choke?


TIGERS!

Stop trying to ruin my prediction. If anything it was the Chicago White Sox who choked. They have been choking all season. And the Yankees. Despite their all star team they can't seem to get anywhere these past years. It will be a Tigers team I think that will be able to get somewhere.

That or the Twins. :p
GoodThoughts
03-10-2006, 00:35
Stop trying to ruin my prediction. If anything it was the Chicago White Sox who choked. They have been choking all season. And the Yankees. Despite their all star team they can't seem to get anywhere these past years. It will be a Tigers team I think that will be able to get somewhere.

That or the Twins. :p

How can a first place team that needed to win one of three games from the lowly Royals, that was playing the Royals at home, that was in first place most of the year, not be called chokers. If the Twins had Lirarno in the lineup I would without hesitation predict them as winners of the World Series.
Utracia
03-10-2006, 00:40
How can a first place team that needed to win one of three games from the lowly Royals, that was playing the Royals at home, that was in first place most of the year, not be called chokers. If the Twins had Lirarno in the lineup I would without hesitation predict them as winners of the World Series.

All good teams seem to end up losing to last place teams. The Yankees and Red Sox seem to enjoy losing to the Devil Rays. Doesn't mean anything except to get some amusment at the powerful teams expense.
GoodThoughts
03-10-2006, 00:48
All good teams seem to end up losing to last place teams. The Yankees and Red Sox seem to enjoy losing to the Devil Rays. Doesn't mean anything except to get some amusment at the powerful teams expense.

True, but the Yankees or Red Sox would not three games in a row to the Devil Rays with the Division Championship and home field advantage on the line. And if they did everyone would call them chokers.

I am thrilled to have the Tigers back in the Central Division instead of playing AAA ball. I know what it is like to have your home team be nothing more than a minor league training ground for teams like the Yankees and others. The Tigers are young and it is too much to expect them to beat the Yankees in Yankee Stadium where the Yankee players get all of the ball and strike calls. It is like having to get four or five outs against them every inning.
Llewdor
03-10-2006, 00:55
Santana should get the Cy. Justin Morneau deserves the MVP more that Joe (sideburns) Mauer. Justin did more for the team than Joe. Justin had hits in situations when the team needed someone to score runs. He started out average at best and then took off without looking back. The team turned things around when he straightened out his act and started hitting for average and power.
The numbers do not back up Morneau's candidacy.

Even measuring what you're talking about (producing in game-relevant situations), while Morneau does rank ahead of Mauer in Win-Probability Added (WPA), and even just edges Santana in WPA, the Twins' leader in WPA was Joe Nathan.

By that measure even Jeter beats Morneau. B.J. Ryan beats Morneau. And none of them can touch David Ortiz.

No, Morneau's just not a solid candidate. Furthermore, I prefer not to fudge the numbers based on opportunity, because that necessarily marginalises starting pitchers. Looking just at overall performance, Santana is hands-down the guy who deserves the MVP.
Utracia
03-10-2006, 01:00
The numbers do not back up Morneau's candidacy.

Even measuring what you're talking about (producing in game-relevant situations), while Morneau does rank ahead of Mauer in Win-Probability Added (WPA), and even just edges Santana in WPA, the Twins' leader in WPA was Joe Nathan.

By that measure even Jeter beats Morneau. B.J. Ryan beats Morneau. And none of them can touch David Ortiz.

No, Morneau's just not a solid candidate. Furthermore, I prefer not to fudge the numbers based on opportunity, because that necessarily marginalises starting pitchers. Looking just at overall performance, Santana is hands-down the guy who deserves the MVP.

I may be biased but I of course would love having David Ortiz win any award. :)

Unfortuanately, it seems people wants players to win who aren't a DH so I guess the chances aren't to great. :(
GoodThoughts
03-10-2006, 01:00
The numbers do not back up Morneau's candidacy.

Even measuring what you're talking about (producing in game-relevant situations), while Morneau does rank ahead of Mauer in Win-Probability Added (WPA), and even just edges Santana in WPA, the Twins' leader in WPA was Joe Nathan.

By that measure even Jeter beats Morneau. B.J. Ryan beats Morneau. And none of them can touch David Ortiz.

No, Morneau's just not a solid candidate. Furthermore, I prefer not to fudge the numbers based on opportunity, because that necessarily marginalises starting pitchers. Looking just at overall performance, Santana is hands-down the guy who deserves the MVP.

I just don't believe that pitchers should get MVP. They have the Cy and the "Tana" deserves that. "Tana" because when you swing at his change-up the wind from your bat gives you a wind burn or tan.

Ya gotta get your team to the play-offs to be MVP. IMHO.
Llewdor
03-10-2006, 01:07
I may be biased but I of course would love having David Ortiz win any award. :)

Unfortuanately, it seems people wants players to win who aren't a DH so I guess the chances aren't to great. :(

I just don't believe that pitchers should get MVP. They have the Cy and the "Tana" deserves that. "Tana" because when you swing at his change-up the wind from your bat gives you a wind burn or tan.

Ya gotta get your team to the play-offs to be MVP. IMHO.
Well that's just silly. The guy who had the best season deserves the award. It's not the Most Valuable Hitter award.

And, no player is responsible for how lousy the rest of his team is. It's not Ortiz's fault Manny took a vacation at the end of the season. It's not BJ Ryan's fault the Blue Jays handed 12 starts to Josh Towers.

The top 5 spots on my MVP ballot would probably go:

Johan Santana
Joe Mauer
Derek Jeter
Roy Halladay
Travis Hafner

Jeter loses out to Mauer on the basis of his crappy glovework.
GoodThoughts
03-10-2006, 01:29
Well that's just silly. The guy who had the best season deserves the award. It's not the Most Valuable Hitter award.

And, no player is responsible for how lousy the rest of his team is. It's not Ortiz's fault Manny took a vacation at the end of the season. It's not BJ Ryan's fault the Blue Jays handed 12 starts to Josh Towers.

The top 5 spots on my MVP ballot would probably go:

Johan Santana
Joe Mauer
Derek Jeter
Roy Halladay
Travis Hafner

Jeter loses out to Mauer on the basis of his crappy glovework.

I would be very happy with your first two picks. I think with the specialization of baseball maybe there should be a Best Hitter. Would that go to best average, or most gopher balls?

Nah, I still think that MVP goes to the postition player that contributes the most to his team in a winning year. Most Valuable Player. Every team selects their own MVP, let the real MVP be the guy who gets his team into the playoffs.
Maineiacs
03-10-2006, 03:45
Mauer or Santana -- it doesn't matter, but it should be one or the other. Santana deserves the Cy Young, hands down expecially since he pulled off the pitching Triple Crown (Wins, ERA, K's).

GO TWINS! BRING ON THE A'S!!!!!!
Kiryu-shi
03-10-2006, 03:59
Nah, I still think that MVP goes to the postition player that contributes the most to his team in a winning year. Most Valuable Player. Every team selects their own MVP, let the real MVP be the guy who gets his team into the playoffs.

Ryan Howard should not be the MVP for the NL because the Phillies didn't make the playoffs?


And Mets over Dodgers in four, over Padres in six, over Yankees in four (outscoring them by at least 20 runs :p ).
Gun Manufacturers
03-10-2006, 05:42
Ryan Howard should not be the MVP for the NL because the Phillies didn't make the playoffs?


And Mets over Dodgers in four, over Padres in six, over Yankees in four (outscoring them by at least 20 runs :p ).

I think you're dreaming about the Mets sweeping the Yankees and outscoring them by at least 20 runs. Remember, we've seen the Subway Series before, we know how it ends. :D
Allen Shore
03-10-2006, 06:26
Santana won't win the MVP simply because he is a pitcher. its a voter bias, since a)they have their own prestigeous award and b) they play 1 in every 6 games.

And any person who actually believes the National League has a chance to beat the American League needs to get their head checked. Wishful thinking often gets in the way with reasonable predictions.
GoodThoughts
03-10-2006, 13:47
Ryan Howard should not be the MVP for the NL because the Phillies didn't make the playoffs?


And Mets over Dodgers in four, over Padres in six, over Yankees in four (outscoring them by at least 20 runs :p ).

I really do believe that MVP should go to the most deserving position player on a team that makes it to the playoffs. The game is all about getting to the playoffs and that is what make the player valuable--he gets his team to the playoffs. There may be an occasional exception to this, but I think that is what MVP is all about.
GoodThoughts
03-10-2006, 13:52
Ryan Howard should not be the MVP for the NL because the Phillies didn't make the playoffs?


And Mets over Dodgers in four, over Padres in six, over Yankees in four (outscoring them by at least 20 runs :p ).

Hey Brooklyn,
Where do you live? My daughter lives in Brooklyn; and I was there visiting over Labor Day. Went to two games; friday night in right field bleachers and Sunday up in the clouds on third base side. Yankees fans are the greatest. Right field bleachers are a real experience.:p
Llewdor
04-10-2006, 17:52
I really do believe that MVP should go to the most deserving position player on a team that makes it to the playoffs. The game is all about getting to the playoffs and that is what make the player valuable--he gets his team to the playoffs. There may be an occasional exception to this, but I think that is what MVP is all about.
And that penalises players who play on terrible teams. A-Rod should have won more MVPs than he has, but he was in Texas when he was clearly the best player in baseball, and Texas sucked.

If there were a best hitter award, I'd give it to the best hitter, regardless of position. BUt that's not what the MVP is, either, because the MVP can (or should) factor in defense. An average first baseman isn't as valuable as a slick-fielding center fielder if they both hit the same.

The best pure hitter in the AL was Travis Hafner. That's really not open for debate.
GoodThoughts
05-10-2006, 02:44
[QUOTE=Llewdor;11765310]And that penalises players who play on terrible teams. A-Rod should have won more MVPs than he has, but he was in Texas when he was clearly the best player in baseball, and Texas sucked.



My point exactly. MVP is for the most valuable player. How much value is there in a player who plays for a crappy team. Even though he might be the best hitter, fielder and locker room morale booster. If the team finishes last how much value does the player really have. Any warm body could have filled his position and they would have still finished last.
Llewdor
05-10-2006, 18:05
My point exactly. MVP is for the most valuable player. How much value is there in a player who plays for a crappy team. Even though he might be the best hitter, fielder and locker room morale booster. If the team finishes last how much value does the player really have. Any warm body could have filled his position and they would have still finished last.
That means the value he provided wasn't useful. If you're only rewarding useful value, then you should hand the MVP to some marginal reliever for the Twins, because they just barely won their division, and that one guy's value was entirely needed to do it.

MVP should go to the most valueable player, regardless of whether the team benefitted from his value.

In this case, it happens to be a guy on a playoff team. Johan Santana.

Wanna vote?

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/iba

The Internet Baseball Awards. My AL MVP ballot looked like this:

1. Johan Santana
2. Travis Hafner
3. Joe Mauer
4. Roy Halladay
5. David Ortiz
6. Grady Sizemore
7. Carlos Guillen
8. Derek Jeter
9. Chien-Ming Wang
10. Francisco Liriano
GoodThoughts
05-10-2006, 18:37
That means the value he provided wasn't useful. If you're only rewarding useful value, then you should hand the MVP to some marginal reliever for the Twins, because they just barely won their division, and that one guy's value was entirely needed to do it.

MVP should go to the most valueable player, regardless of whether the team benefitted from his value.

In this case, it happens to be a guy on a playoff team. Johan Santana.

Wanna vote?

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/iba

The Internet Baseball Awards. My AL MVP ballot looked like this:

1. Johan Santana
2. Travis Hafner
3. Joe Mauer
4. Roy Halladay
5. David Ortiz
6. Grady Sizemore
7. Carlos Guillen
8. Derek Jeter
9. Chien-Ming Wang
10. Francisco Liriano

Thanks for the website for voting. I will do that.

Last time I looked the whole point of the game of baseball is to win games and get into post-season play. That is the value the players have, they win games--not just acquire wonderful statistics. I still can't vote for a pitcher or DH (although Ortiz might be an exception for me) because they are not position players. Relivers have value, just not most valuable because they are only on the field anywhere from one to nine outs usually.

How do you vote MVP for a guy who missed the whole month of September?
Llewdor
05-10-2006, 19:09
How do you vote MVP for a guy who missed the whole month of September?
Because he was mindbogglingly good the rest of the season. So much so that his overall contribution as a hitter was greater than anyone else, even though they played 20% more games.

The goal of baseball is to win games, but that's a team goal. These are individual awards, and no player can win games all by himself.

Also, with the addition of the unbalanced schedule and interleague play, making the postseason is no longer a measure of quality, because different teams play different opponents, so it's mush easier for, say, Oakland to win its division than it is for Minnesota to win theirs.
Kiryu-shi
06-10-2006, 00:19
I think you're dreaming about the Mets sweeping the Yankees and outscoring them by at least 20 runs. Remember, we've seen the Subway Series before, we know how it ends. :D
Psh... Mets are so much better than the Yankees. Look at the... um...err... the middle relief!! Mets middle relief pwns the Yankees.

Hey Brooklyn,
Where do you live? My daughter lives in Brooklyn; and I was there visiting over Labor Day. Went to two games; friday night in right field bleachers and Sunday up in the clouds on third base side. Yankees fans are the greatest. Right field bleachers are a real experience.:p
I live in Park Slope/Gowanus area. And I have never been to Yankee Stadium, cause I would never put my money into the hands of someone so blatantly evil as Steinberner.

Yankees lost against Detroit!!!! Series tied up!!

LETS GO METS!!, speaking of which, how crappy is it that the Dodgers ruined the Glavine-Maddux matchup. That would have been epic.
GoodThoughts
06-10-2006, 02:47
Psh... Mets are so much better than the Yankees. Look at the... um...err... the middle relief!! Mets middle relief pwns the Yankees.


I live in Park Slope/Gowanus area. And I have never been to Yankee Stadium, cause I would never put my money into the hands of someone so blatantly evil as Steinberner.

Yankees lost against Detroit!!!! Series tied up!!

LETS GO METS!!, speaking of which, how crappy is it that the Dodgers ruined the Glavine-Maddux matchup. That would have been epic.

My daughter lives in the Fort Greene area. Not sure how far that is from you. I hope it is the Twin or Tigers and the Mets in the World Series.
Kiryu-shi
06-10-2006, 04:59
My daughter lives in the Fort Greene area. Not sure how far that is from you. I hope it is the Twin or Tigers and the Mets in the World Series.

Fort Greene isn't that far, but it's not really close either. Maybe a really long walk, or a couple of stops on the subway.

Mets WON!!! Whoever thinks the Mets don't have starting pitching, well, one run in two games so far for the starters!

Detroit has a good chance to take the series, and the Cardinals and A's look much better than I thought. I did think the Padres were a little overrated, but I thought the Twins would dominate.

As for the MVP talk, I think that the one individual who effects the outcome of a single team positively the most should win. This takes out both Mets and Yankee batters, cause they both have great offensive teams without significant dropoff if they loose any single player (even Derek Jeter). Ryan Howard is an amazing MVP candidate in my eyes cause the Phillies offense is pretty pathetic without him. I don't really know American league teams well enough to choose a clear MVP, but it should be the player who really carries his team; if they didn't have him, their record would just drop.
Utracia
06-10-2006, 05:26
Mets WON!!! Whoever thinks the Mets don't have starting pitching, well, one run in two games so far for the starters!

You didn't actually think the Dodgers could take them did you?
Kiryu-shi
06-10-2006, 09:01
You didn't actually think the Dodgers could take them did you?

No, but its a great sign that Maine looked decent and Glavine looked dominating. After those two we have Trachsel and Oliver Perez, neither of which inspires much confindence. IF we have two solid starters, with the good bullpen, I think it might just be enough to get to the W.S.
Nakaham
06-10-2006, 09:30
*yankee fan hides in the corner*

:(
Kiryu-shi
06-10-2006, 21:28
*yankee fan hides in the corner*

:(

So what do you think of their chances with Randy Johnson pitching today?

Also I hate the Yankees, so prepare to be attacked on any positive thing you say about them. kidding. sorta.:p
Kiryu-shi
07-10-2006, 06:26
How amazing is Kenny Rogers!?:eek:
The South Islands
07-10-2006, 06:31
Kenny Rogers was God today.

I just hope some of that magic rubs off on Bonderman for tomarrow. I'm just hoping for 6 good innings from him. I think if Bonderman can get to the Bullpen with the lead, the series is over. The Tigers bullpen has been unhittable in the series, and was one of the best in baseball this season.
Kiryu-shi
07-10-2006, 06:48
Kenny Rogers was God today.

I just hope some of that magic rubs off on Bonderman for tomarrow. I'm just hoping for 6 good innings from him. I think if Bonderman can get to the Bullpen with the lead, the series is over. The Tigers bullpen has been unhittable in the series, and was one of the best in baseball this season.

Zumaya is just a beast. When he's on, 103 miles per hour with nasty movement and good location is incredible. I think the Yankees offence is pressing and putting too much pressure on themselves. Besides Abreu, they all are overagressive and going for the long ball every time they are at bat.
The South Islands
07-10-2006, 06:53
Zumaya is just a beast. When he's on, 103 miles per hour with nasty movement and good location is incredible. I think the Yankees offence is pressing and putting too much pressure on themselves. Besides Abreu, they all are overagressive and going for the long ball every time they are at bat.

Detroit has Ledezma and Rodney as well, both very good relievers. It would be really awesome to win the series at home. The tiger fans have been through a lot the last few years, and this would be a welcome reward.
Kiryu-shi
08-10-2006, 20:32
Yankees lost, Mets won!!!!

How horrible is the Yankees hitting? :p
My thanks to Detroit for knocking out the evil empire. I hope you have the oppurtunity to lose to the Mets in the World Series. :D
Kiryu-shi
09-10-2006, 06:26
The Yankees of 2006 were one of the most talented offensive teams in the history of baseball. But they couldn't hit in the playoffs. Is Detroit Tiger pitching really that good? A couple of 23 year olds and a veteran who has a history of postseason bowups? Although the Yankees are the best Fantasy Baseball offense in the nation, they can't create runs. Everyone says that out of the National League teams, the Mets have an American league lineup, but the Mets have a balanced offense. They have some power, but they also have the ability to manufacture runs. Making contact with runners on base, bunting, stealing, slapping hits instead of driving home runs, are all aspects of an effective postseason offense. Watching the Yankees, every player on the team, except for maybe Jeter and Abreu, wanted to hit a homerun with every pitch that they saw. All of these players with high home run numbers and even higher salaries will always feel the need to hit home runs in the playoffs. As long as the Yankee mentality is to hire sluggers, to buy an entire lineup of number four hitters, the Yankees will not win the World Series. They don't have role players, and in the playoffs, you need to create runs, and you need to pitch. The Yankees pitching, amazingly, was not the problem. But for the Yankees to win the world series, they need to look back on their magical run and realize succes is not based on fielding an all-star team, but by fielding a complete, well-rounded team. Like the Mets. :D
[/Yankees sucks rant]

I had so much fun torturing my friends today.:D Any other thoughts on the Yankee situation, especially the Torre situation?
Kiryu-shi
10-10-2006, 03:46
bump to try to get replies on my rant or to get people to comment on the DS or predict the CS and WS.

Mets in six. Lose game 3 (Trachsel) and 4 (Perez
Detroit in four. Sweep. Are on the ulitmate high after Yankees.
Mets win WS in five. Lose game 4. (Perez)
The South Islands
10-10-2006, 03:55
Detroit in 5.

Cards in 6.

Detroit in 7.

And Detroit wins the world series!
Katganistan
10-10-2006, 04:33
I think you're dreaming about the Mets sweeping the Yankees and outscoring them by at least 20 runs. Remember, we've seen the Subway Series before, we know how it ends. :D

Oh dear. The Yanks don't even get a shot at the series this year.
IL Ruffino
10-10-2006, 04:37
Speaking of the yankee's..

What ever happened to them, or some other blahblah team coming to PA?
Hreezy
10-10-2006, 04:48
I was going with Twins in 7 over Dodgers... but that didn't go to tell haha.

Anyway. Cubs in '07.
Kiryu-shi
10-10-2006, 04:57
Cards in 6.

no...just no. Cardinals will not be able to ride on Pujols.

Oh dear. The Yanks don't even get a shot at the series this year.
:D

Speaking of the yankee's..

What ever happened to them, or some other blahblah team coming to PA?
:confused: there are two teams in PA, and the Yankees lost.

I was going with Twins in 7 over Dodgers... but that didn't go to tell haha.

Anyway. Cubs in '07.
A cubs fan? Oh dearie. But who knows, maybe you'll get Girardi and you'll be good!
Andaluciae
10-10-2006, 05:08
I see the Tigers doing an exact replay of the Cleveland Indians in 1995.
Potarius
10-10-2006, 05:10
no...just no. Cardinals will not be able to ride on Pujols.


:D


:confused: there are two teams in PA, and the Yankees lost.


A cubs fan? Oh dearie. But who knows, maybe you'll get Girardi and you'll be good!

Let's hear it for the Mets, man!
Kiryu-shi
10-10-2006, 05:35
Let's hear it for the Mets, man!

LETS GO METS!!!


But as each day passes, I get more and more nervous about the Cardinals. The Mets pitched well against the Dodgers, but their starting pitching is so unstable... Oliver Perez starting a game in the NLCS?-And their bullpen is good, but they can't hold up all of these innings.
Potarius
10-10-2006, 05:39
LETS GO METS!!!


But as each day passes, I get more and more nervous about the Cardinals. The Mets pitched well against the Dodgers, but their starting pitching is so unstable... Oliver Perez starting a game in the NLCS?-And their bullpen is good, but they can't hold up all of these innings.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, since the Cardinals don't have terribly good pitching... And their bullpen is ass, man.
Utracia
10-10-2006, 19:05
Ah, the Tigers beat the Yankees. I hope whoever it was who had no faith in this would apologize to me and to the Detroit Tigers at large. Their pitching silenced Yankee batters quite easily! :)

Further, the Mets offense, starting pitching and bullpen all seem to be running strong, and the idea that the Cardinals can beat them seems ridiculous. Unless Carpenter and Pujols can carry them all by themselves!

I'll again say Tigers/Mets World Series (Tigers in 6)
Kiryu-shi
10-10-2006, 23:01
Ah, the Tigers beat the Yankees. I hope whoever it was who had no faith in this would apologize to me and to the Detroit Tigers at large. Their pitching silenced Yankee batters quite easily! :)

Further, the Mets offense, starting pitching and bullpen all seem to be running strong, and the idea that the Cardinals can beat them seems ridiculous. Unless Carpenter and Pujols can carry them all by themselves!

I'll again say Tigers/Mets World Series (Tigers in 6)

I believe that was me who said that the Yankees had one of the best lineups in the history of baseball. I gladly admit I was very wrong for thinking that the Yankees were going to the World Series. I still think that they had the best offensive team in recent memory in terms of talent, but if you read my rant, on the previous page, you can see what I think of them now.
GoodThoughts
11-10-2006, 00:12
Now that the Twins are gone. Go Tigers!
Kiryu-shi
11-10-2006, 23:13
Cory Lidle was a good pitcher and from what I know, a good guy. Depressing what happened to him. Yesterday he was absolutely ripped by a local sports talk radio show and called in to defend himself. He sounded pretty upset and depressed yesterday. I only hope that he enjoying himself in his last moments.

Anyway, I think that MLB should cancel the game tonight in memory of Cory Lidle.
Utracia
12-10-2006, 15:17
Yankees lost, Mets won!!!!

How horrible is the Yankees hitting? :p
My thanks to Detroit for knocking out the evil empire. I hope you have the oppurtunity to lose to the Mets in the World Series. :D

If the Tigers pitch like they did last night (Game 2 ALCS), I think their victory in the WS is set. :)
Kiryu-shi
13-10-2006, 04:42
If the Tigers pitch like they did last night (Game 2 ALCS), I think their victory in the WS is set. :)

If the Mets pitch like they did tonight (Game 1 NLCS), I think their victory in the WS is set. :)
Kiryu-shi
13-10-2006, 05:28
JANUARY Alex Rodriguez sets the tone for the year by overthinking his participation in the World Baseball Classic. First, he says he'll play for the Dominican Republic, where his parents were born. Then he picks the U.S., where he was born. Then he decides not to play at all, so as not to dishonor either country. But later, Rodriguez says he will play for the U.S. Not even the Belgian team engaged in that much waffling.

FEB. 22 After the first workout of spring training, owner George Steinbrenner says eight of the very few words he will utter to the media in 2006. Unfortunately, those words are "We are going to win it this year!"

FEB. 22 Rightfielder Gary Sheffield is ebullient after interpreting a statement by Yankees G.M. Brian Cashman to mean his 2007 contract option (for $13 million) will be picked up. But on ...

FEB. 24 Sheffield is enraged when Cashman says he didn't say that and adds that nothing is definite. Speaking of the G.M., Sheffield says, "I trust him, but I don't trust him totally." The Yankees will eventually embrace the concept of partial trust.

MARCH 4 With the World Baseball Classic in full swing, a sign on the team's spring training ticket window in Tampa apologizes for the absence of participants Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Johnny Damon and Bernie Williams: THE NEW YORK YANKESS DID NOT VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS EVENT. Was Steinbrenner behind it? "George would not have misspelled Yankees," says his spokesman.

MARCH 27 New York City tabloids report that Randy Johnson, who earns $16 million a year, is suing the mother of the 16-year-old daughter he fathered before he was married for $71,000 in day-care payments he made after the child was too old for day care. (He added $26,000 in interest.) "My daughter is 16 and has not been in day care for at least five years," Big Unit declares in court papers. (The case was dropped.)

APRIL 3 Yankees fans get indignant when new Mets closer Billy Wagner enters his Opening Day save opportunity to the strains of Metallica's Enter Sandman -- which happens to be Yankees closer Mariano Rivera's trademark tune. Yankee fans say this is outrageous, that it must stop and is morally wrong. Wagner shrugs and sticks with the song.

APRIL 21 The Yankees become baseball's first billion-dollar team, with a franchise value of $1.026 billion, according to Forbes -- a 10,000% return on Steinbrenner's original $10 million 1973 investment. Meanwhile, a Budweiser at Yankee Stadium costs $7.75.

JULY 17 Rodriguez makes three errors against the Mariners hours after he was photographed sunbathing, shirtless, in Central Park. The New York City media speculate that Rodriguez's tanning left him tired for the game. "I think I looked good in the modeling picture, actually," says A-Rod.

JULY 19 The Yankees win government approvals to build a new stadium. The facility requires the razing of 400 mature oak trees and the paving of 22.4 acres of park land, but the Yankees say the lost green space will be partly offset by parks built on the roofs of new stadium garages. Enjoy!

AUG. 16 At the groundbreaking ceremony for the new ballpark, the Boss says, "It's a pleasure to give this to you people." He forgets that "you people" are actually giving the stadium to him. Nearly one third of the $1.2 billion tab will be covered by public funds.

AUG. 16 Yankee Nation isn't just that stadium in the Bronx, you know. In Macon, Ga., retired Yankees pitcher Kevin Brown allegedly pulls a gun on a neighbor during a dispute over grass clippings that were dumped on Brown's estate. Says the neighbor, "It was sort of an awkward evening."

AUG. 28 Pitcher Carl Pavano, who has missed the season with a bruised buttocks, tells the team he broke two ribs in an accident involving a garbage truck while rehabbing in Florida -- but waited two weeks to say so. The new injury shelves him for the rest of the year. An "embarrassing situation," Cashman says.

SEPT. 15 After 28 years, the Yankees dump their Triple A affiliate, the Columbus Clippers, for a better deal with the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Red Barons. The move leaves the Clippers in the lurch: They have only two weeks before the deadline to sign on with a big league team for next season. They end up with the Washington Nationals.

SEPT. 17 Eager to defend boyfriend Pavano and advance her career as a part-time model, Gia Allemand, the woman who was in his Porsche when he collided with the garbage truck, talks to the New York Daily News. When, in another report, Allemand's grandmother objects to the News calling Gia "a hottie," Gia's grandfather shouts, "She is a hottie!"

OCT. 4 About 55,000 beer-and-hot-dog-buying fans are trapped in Yankee Stadium for two hours as not-so-heavy rain delays Game 2 of the ALDS. The game is finally called at 10 p.m. -- but someone forgets to tell the Tigers, who think the game will begin at 10 and send pitcher Justin Verlander to warm up. Meanwhile Yankees starter Mike Mussina remains cozy in the clubhouse. "They definitely had information that I didn't have," says Verlander.

OCT. 7 The Tigers crush the Yankees 8-3 to win the ALDS in four games.

OCT. 9 Amid rumors that manager Joe Torre will be fired and replaced by Lou Piniella, the Daily News runs a back-page headline: BLAME JETER.

:D
Utracia
15-10-2006, 01:05
If the Mets pitch like they did tonight (Game 1 NLCS), I think their victory in the WS is set. :)

Well they need to at least get there for my prediction of the WS to come true so for now... Go Mets! Though Game 2 was pretty ugly...
The South Islands
15-10-2006, 01:30
The Tigers Are Going To The World Series!
Utracia
15-10-2006, 01:35
The Tigers Are Going To The World Series!

Indeed, sir. Indeed. :)

Though I am right now waiting for the Red Sox to fix their starting rotation so it will be them in the WS next year.

*nods*
Maineiacs
15-10-2006, 02:47
The Tigers Are Going To The World Series!



I'd wish for the entire city of Detroit to get demolished by a monster fom a Japanese monster movie, but that would just improve that stinking cesspool of a city.
Kiryu-shi
15-10-2006, 04:34
The Tigers Are Going To Win The World Series!

Fixed...Or at least they should.


Instead of ranting on the Mets I will just :(

With Oliver Perez, Pirates triple A pitcher, starting next. sigh.
Utracia
15-10-2006, 17:13
I'd wish for the entire city of Detroit to get demolished by a monster fom a Japanese monster movie, but that would just improve that stinking cesspool of a city.

I'd compare Detroit to some third world hellhole but they do have a good baseball team at the moment.
Kiryu-shi
15-10-2006, 17:24
I'd compare Detroit to some third world hellhole but they do have a good baseball team at the moment.

Unlike New York. I expected, come playoff time, that the Mets pitchers be at least as good as they were in the regular season. Trachsel is a veteran pitcher on the Mets, I think the longest tenured Met. He was garbage. That was his time to perform and he failed. The Mets had enough talent to take over the NLCS completely. They need to step up and play like they are capable of.

*is not talking about any specific Mets hitters on purpose*
Potarius
15-10-2006, 17:28
Unlike New York. I expected, come playoff time, that the Mets pitchers be at least as good as they were in the regular season. Trachsel is a veteran pitcher on the Mets, I think the longest tenured Met. He was garbage. That was his time to perform and he failed. The Mets had enough talent to take over the NLCS completely. They need to step up and play like they are capable of.

*is not talking about any specific Mets hitters on purpose*

When So Taguchi actually hits a home run, you know that something is terribly wrong.