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Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.
I would say : about as wonderful as napalming a nursery, full of orphans who are playing with new-born kittens and puppies.

But that's my opinion.

And this is blatent flamebait.

I voted for 'words cannot describe how great he is'. Because it's so hard to say good things about him without bursting into laughter. :)

Bush is the worst president ever. He attacked his own nation and killed 3000 people. Just so he could start wars against other nations and kill even more people so he could rule the world one day. And if you support the patriot act or the no child left behind act, you must be out of your mind.

And biased polls are flamebait.
Anyway I say words cannot describe how bad he is.

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.
Hey, you're not on as often of late ... what's the deal?

Hey, you're not on as often of late ... what's the deal?
His resolve slipped and he made a joke about Bush. He's just being "re-educated", that's all.

His resolve slipped and he made a joke about Bush. He's just being "re-educated", that's all.
I mean, i expected him/her on another couple of threads, and to no avail :(
Wondered if there was mod involvement of some kind or another.

I mean, i expected him/her on another couple of threads, and to no avail :(
Wondered if there was mod involvement of some kind or another.
Ah yeah - Counter-Strike distracted him with its fun ways and he couldn't be arsed to post any more. Good point.

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.

You're like an unfunny version of UNA. You really aren't funny old bean...

Trust me, and 60-70% of the US citizens, Bush is not the greatest president ever. In fact, 2008 cant come soon enough.

This topic should be deleted, before someone does something rash.

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.


What on Earth does "laberal" mean? Is it just me or is it highly noticeable that people who like this appalling man are almost always at best semi-literate?

Trust me, and 60-70% of the US citizens, Bush is not the greatest president ever. In fact, 2008 cant come soon enough.

This topic should be deleted, before someone does something rash.

I've already reported it in Moderation.

What on Earth does "laberal" mean? Is it just me or is it highly noticeable that people who like this appalling man are almost always at best semi-literate?
I think he meant "liberal", and your diagnosis is a goed one.

*does something rash* :p

I hate "bush"! - if you know what i mean!

I picked the third one, except picture me saying it about as sarcastically as one would when saying, "Why sure, I would like a sucking chest wound with salt and lemon poured on it."

Words can't describe how great this president is.
The cause being a lack of sufficiently negative words to reverse the meaning of greatness.

But in mathematics, you'd do something like:

(Greatness)Bush = (Greatness)*-1*googolplex.

Hey, you're not on as often of late ... what's the deal?
Yeah, Bushanomics' posts have always been hilarious.

You're like an unfunny version of UNA. You really aren't funny old bean...
Actually Bushanomics was here and posting before the UN Abassadorship.

What on Earth does "laberal" mean? Is it just me or is it highly noticeable that people who like this appalling man are almost always at best semi-literate?
He's obviously joking.

I like satire. This isn't particularly original or amusing satire, but it is still satire, which is good.

I voted for 'words cannot describe how great he is'. Because it's so hard to say good things about him without bursting into laughter. :)

I cannot agree more :)

P.S.

And yes, this thread appears to be an example of trolling :rolleyes:

Great president or Greatest president ever?
Hey look, its Stephen Colbert! :eek:

Hey look, its Stephen Colbert! :eek:
Damn you for making me look! :eek:

I'm blind! I'm blind!
And Bushanomics, get your clothes back on and let Barney (http://www.whitehouse.gov/barney/images/feb2006.jpg)go. You don't know where he's been!

What on Earth does "laberal" mean? Acutally, I like the term. Its the appropriate synergy between liberal and labia...

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq.

The war in Afghanistan and in Iraq is not over yet so you can not say we have won it.

[/QUOTE]He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act,[/QUOTE]

The no child left behind act has not improved education, it has caused teachers to teach the test so it looks like education is improved. The federal government should stay the hell our of education and let the individual school districts and or the states run the educational syste.

[/QUOTE] and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. [/QUOTE]

The terrorist attack not Bush pulled the country together.

[/QUOTE]The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.[/QUOTE]

If you think that Texas and Alabama are liberal you have your head in the sand. Those polls may be biased, but they are national not regional polls. :rolleyes:

Oh brother.

Though I voted for him twice, I would not call him the greatest president ever. He's average at best and this poll is most definitely bias.

He's so great he should run for President of the European Commission

I'm amazed at how many people have taken this thread seriously.

And so far, LG (as per usual) has the best reply.

How can someone use the words Bush and greatest in the same sentence?...It boggles the mind.

Unless its "Bush *is not* the greatest"

Even the republican part of Congress disapproves of Bush. NOBODY LIKES HIM!!!

Hehe... Laberal media.

NOBODY LIKES HIM!!!
Just like Marijke Helwegen... :p

George Bush is the greatest president. I wish his brother would run, and have W. as VP.

George W Bush is the greatest American ever to walk the Earth, the achievements that he has accomplished are unbelievably great and he isn't going to stop any time soon. God Bless the President. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

If you want to see what Bush is really like beyond the liberal media, buy/borrow his book, 'A CHARGE TO KEEP', written during his 2000 presidential race, second best book in the world (the first being the Bible, but having been written with the inspiration of the Divine, Omnipresent Ruler and Creator of everything it may not count in the rankings...)

George Bush is the greatest president. I wish his brother would run, and have W. as VP.

That would be a good White House.

JEB AND DUBYA FOR 2008

George W Bush is the greatest American ever to walk the Earth, the achievements that he has accomplished are unbelievably great and he isn't going to stop any time soon. God Bless the President. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

If you want to see what Bush is really like beyond the liberal media, buy/borrow his book, 'A CHARGE TO KEEP', written during his 2000 presidential race, second best book in the world (the first being the Bible, but having been written with the inspiration of the Divine, Omnipresent Ruler and Creator of everything it may not count in the rankings...)

Heh. 'Liberal' media...

NOBODY LIKES HIM!!!

The person who began this thread likes him, so you're wrong. Hold on, you're wrong, you're wrong about Bush, are you by an chance a Democrat in elected office?

The person who began this thread likes him, so you're wrong. Hold on, you're wrong, you're wrong about Bush, are you by an chance an Democrat in elected office?

Hmmm. Blind faith in President Bush. Attacks anyone who criticises him. Blames everything on the 'Liberal' media. Are you by any chance a Republican in elected office?

OMG Georg Bush GREATEST PRES EVAR!!!!

Kenedee = t3h suk.

My work in demeaning this thread is done.

That would be a good White House.

JEB AND DUBYA FOR 2008
I would vote for them!

I would vote for them!

I wouldn't and I"m a republican.

bush is a cancerous tumour on the testicle of the world.

Hmmm. Blind faith in President Bush. Attacks anyone who criticises him. Blames everything on the 'Liberal' media. Are you by any chance a Republican in elected office?

Not yet.

bush is a cancerous tumour on the testicle of the world.

Most Republicans in the White House and Congress are cancerous tumors. Hopefully, many of them will be removed in November.

Most Republicans in the White House and Congress are cancerous tumors. Hopefully, many of them will be removed in November.

And most democrats in Congress are cancerous tumors. Hopefully, many of them will be removed in november.

bush is a cancerous tumour on the testicle of the world.

If that's the case, any Democrat is sudden death by unknown causes (suspected to have been a stabbing in the back).

Look bush is an overly religious idiot. Anyone feel like trying to explain why he says gay marriage is wrong according to the bible when there is a seperation of church and state? Now I do not see why political parties had to be dragged into this one. Just because you belong to a certain political party does NOT mean you hold all their ideals nor does it mean that because you hold ideals they follow that you are a member of that party. This whole thread has gotten stupid and childish with people I assume are older then five nearly resorting to biased name calling. Could we all just grow up?

Look bush is an overly religious idiot. Anyone feel like trying to explain why he says gay marriage is wrong according to the bible when there is a seperation of church and state? Now I do not see why political parties had to be dragged into this one. Just because you belong to a certain political party does NOT mean you hold all their ideals nor does it mean that because you hold ideals they follow that you are a member of that party. This whole thread has gotten stupid and childish with people I assume are older then five nearly resorting to biased name calling. Could we all just grow up?

Welcome to the NS General forum DiStefano-Schultz. This is what happens during political debates all the time.

Look bush is an overly religious idiot. Anyone feel like trying to explain why he says gay marriage is wrong according to the bible when there is a seperation of church and state? Now I do not see why political parties had to be dragged into this one. Just because you belong to a certain political party does NOT mean you hold all their ideals nor does it mean that because you hold ideals they follow that you are a member of that party. This whole thread has gotten stupid and childish with people I assume are older then five nearly resorting to biased name calling. Could we all just grow up?

I assume are older then five nearly resorting to biased name calling. Could we all just grow up?

No name calling, right okay... but wait a minute wasn't it you who said:

Look bush is an overly religious idiot.

Also:

seperation

It's 'SEPARATION', go to school.

Lastly there is only a separation of Church and State in the Constitution; God is all around us. Homosexuality is a sin that should be punishable by death; simple as that.

And most democrats in Congress are cancerous tumors. Hopefully, many of them will be removed in november.

Yes, there are sooo many scandals involving the Democrats. Those damn liberals are ruining America! Please...

Yes, there are sooo many scandals involving the Democrats. Those damn liberals are ruining America! Please...

Funny how many democratic scandles there were during the CLinton years and now we have them during the Bush years. *shrugs*

Heck...Grant had them as did FDR and all the other presidents as well. It is not limited to one party.

And PA is not that great of a state. Well in some regards it is.

Not yet.

So, George Bush is perfect as President, you would say?

Funny how many democratic scandles there were during the CLinton years and now we have them during the Bush years. *shrugs*

Heck...Grant had them as did FDR and all the other presidents as well. It is not limited to one party.

And PA is not that great of a state. Well in some regards it is.

What...did you say about PA?! That offends me more than anything you've said about the Democrats! Say what you want of them but bashing PA is unforgiveable!!

So, George Bush is perfect as President, you would say?

ABSOLUTELY

What...did you say about PA?! That offends me more than anything you've said about the Democrats! Say what you want of them but bashing PA is unforgiveable!!

Despite the fact that I live in the same state? :D

The only thing that makes this state great is the Steelers (my 2nd favorite NFL Team) and the fact that I met my gf in this same state.

ABSOLUTELY

What alternate universe are you living in?! :confused:

I wouldn't and I"m a republican.
Then you're not right in the head.

Texas Is The Best.

Then you're not right in the head.

I'm more right in the head then you might think.

Texas Is The Best.

Texas?! The only things that come from Texas are steers and queers.

What alternate universe are you living in?! :confused:

Certainly not the one induced by Bill Clinton's second hand smoke in Oxford when he was a Rhodes Scholar.

Texas?! The only things that come from Texas are steers and queers.

Don't forget the sauce used for dipping chips :D

Acutally, I like the term. Its the appropriate synergy between liberal and labia...
I wasnt going to say anything, but since you have already raised the matter, I'm going to go ahead and state that I am relieved to learn that I'm not the only one who finds the 'word' "laberal" reminiscent of of female genitalia....

Texas?! The only things that come from Texas are steers and queers.

www.proudoftexas.com see what our Governor has to say.

Please tell me this is a joke - Bush a great president? Yeah, if you overlook the bombing, pollution, pseudo-attacks and complete nation-screwing he allows upon the US citizens.

www.proudoftexas.com; see what our Governor has to say.

The link doesn't work. It's acting gay, lol.

ABSOLUTELY

So, you admit you believe the man has absolutely no faults as President?

I'm more right in the head then you might think.
Riiiight.

Certainly not the one induced by Bill Clinton's second hand smoke in Oxford when he was a Rhodes Scholar.

Yes, and Bush never did any drugs and he got straight A's in school.

The link doesn't work. It's acting gay, lol.

LOL!

I wasnt going to say anything, but since you have already raised the matter, I'm going to go ahead and state that I am relieved to learn that I'm not the only one who finds the 'word' "laberal" reminiscent of of female genitalia....

The correct word for 'pertaining to the labia/labiae' is 'labial'.

Don't forget the sauce used for dipping chips :D

How could I forget? :D

How could I forget? :D

Only use the stuff that is made in San Antonio.

Not the stuff that is made in :eek: New York City :eek:

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.

Hahaha

do you have a tv? Let's see: he won the war in afghanistan... uhuh... and all those bombs going off there, killing nato soldiers (includes US) is probably celebration fireworks

He won the war in Iraq... uhuh ... yes, it is great how he brought troops their and spent billions and billions of dollars to turn iraq into a stable democracy. It's great to see how he is "succeeding" in it.

The no child behind act... isn't that like the old HeadStart programme, which was an utter failure as well?

And yes, the patriot act, a great thing... if you believe in an Orwellian society, that is.

True, he united the nation after 9/11... a unity which started to show cracks on 9/13 that same year....

But of course, it's all that Laberal Media... now, I never heard of them before, I have heard of the LIBERAL media though... so either this is a secret plot to discredit Bush, operating in secrecy, or you are not even capable of writing proper English... which would be a prerequisite if you would want to claim how great the US president is. If you can't even spell right, you are either not an American, or you were part of that HeadStart programme (thus proving how it was an utter failure)

Oh, and fyi: I am non-US

well let it be said here and now that good old George sent us down the road to become a communist country. yes i said it and believe it!!!! take a moment to think about it. we have the NSA tapping all our phone calls,goverment contracts are being awarded based political affiliation, our basic human rights are being taken away, you can be held in prison without due process and no representation, in secret. The Patriot Act should really be called the communist act, nothing but a way to take away our rights as citizens.

If he's won the wars in Afgh. and Iraq, why the heck are his troops still occupying the land?

well let it be said here and now that good old George sent us down the road to become a communist country. yes i said it and believe it!!!! take a moment to think about it. we have the NSA tapping all our phone calls,goverment contracts are being awarded based political affiliation, our basic human rights are being taken away, you can be held in prison without due process and no representation, in secret. The Patriot Act should really be called the communist act, nothing but a way to take away our rights as citizens.

And yet....

everything you have said is so totally false it isn't even funny anymore.

So, you admit you believe the man has absolutely no faults as President?

I am not admitting it; I AM SHOUTING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS

If you are not some kind of evil terrorist you have no need to fear the USA PATRIOT Act, the NSA or anybody else who you think (wrongly) is 'infringing' your liberties and freedom as an American.

well let it be said here and now that good old George sent us down the road to become a communist country. yes i said it and believe it!!!! take a moment to think about it. we have the NSA tapping all our phone calls,goverment contracts are being awarded based political affiliation, our basic human rights are being taken away, you can be held in prison without due process and no representation, in secret. The Patriot Act should really be called the communist act, nothing but a way to take away our rights as citizens.

Ever heard of Facism?

a) Strictly speaking fascism should be applied to Mussolini's 'fascismo' government only.
b) Bush does not believe in the vast majority of the nine hallmarks of fascism:

The Hallmarks of Fascism:
1) unrestrained government;
2) an absolute leader responsible to a single party;
3) a planned economy with nominal private ownership of the means of production;
4) bureaucracy and administrative "law";
5) state control of the financial sector;
6) permanent economic manipulation via deficit spending;
7) militarism,
8) imperialism;

A definition of 'fascism':

"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." (Anatomy of Fascism, p 218)

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.
Bush attacked Iraq without any needing, is wiretapping his own countryand is putting us into a multi trillion dollar deficit, Do you know how many of the world's problems could be solved with a trillion dollars!!?? and know 2,500 soldiers are dead in Iraq, and several thousand more have been wounded. OH, and he also Alienated the rest of the world i mean Freedom Fires??? WTF?? oh and he opened huge tracts of old growth forests to logging and created the "clean air act":sniper: I mean it allows huge coal power plants to repeal safety and environmental standards, and almost everyone in his administration is from oil companies, I mean, there used to be a tanker called the Condoleeza Rice! arrgh to me supporting bush doesn't make any sense!!!! :headbang:

a) Strictly speaking fascism should be applied to Mussolini's 'fascismo' government only.
b) Bush does not believe in the vast majority of the nine hallmarks of fascism:

I wasn't trying to suggest that Bush is Facist (I don't like him, but he's not Facist). What I was trying to do is convince Geoduck that not all extreme governments are Communisms, and that Communism is the extreme version of Left-Wing politics, not Right-Wing politics. I think we all know which side Bush leans towards.

And yet....

everything you have said is so totally false it isn't even funny anymore.
what do you mean it's false? he's stripping away our basic civil rights, while attacking other countrys and defacating on the emvironment, George bush has done worse with the environment in 4 years than Reagan did in 8!:headbang:

A definition of 'fascism':

"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." (Anatomy of Fascism, p 218)The bold parts are present or in the making. Comes too close to fascism for my taste. I wouldn't go so far as to call the support the President receive(d/s) "militant", though.

what do you mean it's false? he's stripping away our basic civil rights, while attacking other countrys and defacating on the emvironment, George bush has done worse with the environment in 4 years than Reagan did in 8!:headbang:

What Geoduck said was true, it's just that he doesn't seem to understand the basis behind communism.

...George bush..... has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.

Other than the fact of your terrible spelling that shows your ignorance, Bush has NOT won any war and he has taken away liberties from the American people with the Patriot Act.

And Texas is liberal???????????

The question of how wonderful Bush is? Not by a long mile, boyo!

Thank god you are doing this as a piece of sarcasm.........

What Geoduck said was true, it's just that he doesn't seem to understand the basis behind communism.
well yeah, bush is on the exact other end of the politacal spectrum

I wasn't trying to suggest that Bush is Facist (I don't like him, but he's not Facist). What I was trying to do is convince Geoduck that not all extreme governments are Communisms, and that Communism is the extreme version of Left-Wing politics, not Right-Wing politics. I think we all know which side Bush leans towards.

There is no such thing as right wing and left wing; this is a 2-d measure of politics and produces completely inaccurate results; the best measure I've found is at www.moralmatrix.com.

The bold parts are present or in the making. Comes too close to fascism for my taste. I wouldn't go so far as to call the support the President receive(d/s) "militant", though.

Without ethical/legal constraints?-Bush is a Methodist Christian and the President is not above the law.

Bush cannot do away with democratic liberties even if he wanted to because they are enshrined in the CONSTITUTION.

There is no such thing as right wing and left wing; this is a 2-d measure of politics and produces completely inaccurate results; the best measure I've found is at www.moralmatrix.com.Yes there is. It's called a "model". Models are made to simplify complex issues into easily understandable terms. Some of the stuff gets lost in translation.

There is no such thing as right wing and left wing; this is a 2-d measure of politics and produces completely inaccurate results; the best measure I've found is at www.moralmatrix.com.

So you send me to a website dedicated to Biblical politics? A completely unbiased measure, I'm sure.

a bellicose individual no reguard for AMerican people, especially those fighting in Iraq hos no concept of articulating a true statement at any time.
What's wrong with the american people? Are they sleepwalking?

So you send me to a website dedicated to Biblical politics? A completely unbiased measure, I'm sure.

I'm sorry, wrong address: www.moral-politics.com

Without ethical/legal constraints?-Bush is a Methodist Christian and the President is not above the law.

Bush cannot do away with democratic liberties even if he wanted to because they are enshrined in the CONSTITUTION.Ethical constraints seem to be done away with. Him not wanting to sign anything prohibiting torture and whatnot. Legal constraints would refer to the wire-tapping without getting warrants first.
As for the democratic liberties, what happened in Florida shows very well that if some massive voting fraud were indeed going to occur, half the country would ignore it as long as there was one "independent inquiry" claiming it was ok.

In all, Bush isn't fascist. He just leans in that direction.

If you look at how I voted in this poll you might think I'm smoking something, but I only reead "Words cannot describe" SO I thought the last part said "How stupid he is" , so I voted for that choice. He is one of the worst presidents ever,

Religious right: read these
http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/Community/FreeforAll/_archives/2004/10/28/170195.html
http://religiousleft.bmgbiz.net/bushandjesus.html

I'm sorry, wrong address: www.moral-politics.com

Regardless, Bush still isn't in the same sector as Marx and Lenin.

I'm not saying he is.

Bush Jr is the best president since Bill Clinton.

-Official-

I'm sorry, wrong address: www.moral-politics.comI just took their long test. It's not that good.
For one, it's completely centered on issues that would only apply to American politics, making it rather useless for someone outside the US. Apart from that, the questions are skewed in a conservative direction, allowing mainly for centrist and rightwing options. Oh, yeah, it uses things such as "centrist" to define people, so it might be working under the premise of some "rightwing leftwing" ideas.

I'm not saying he is.

Geo Duck was, which is why I brought up Facism in the first place.

I just took their long test. It's not that good.
For one, it's completely centered on issues that would only apply to American politics, making it rather useless for someone outside the US. Apart from that, the questions are skewed in a conservative direction, allowing mainly for centrist and rightwing options. Oh, yeah, it uses things such as "centrist" to define people, so it might be working under the premise of some "rightwing leftwing" ideas.

Sorry about the American thing; as an American myself, I couldn't see that, but I still think it is the best I've seen; it uses centrist to define the middle of the matrix

It says Bush is a paleo-conservative which I think is true. I myself came out as a fundamentalist ultra-capitalist.

Sorry about the American thing; as an American myself, I couldn't see that, but I still think it is the best I've seen; it uses centrist to define the middle of the matrixIndeed it does, however it seems to consider the center of the matrix as something between conservatism and liberalism, which simply isn't true. Also, there is an implied value judgement in favor of conservatism when you look at the scorings you'd get for being "liberal" or "conservative". I got negative scores and got classified as "liberal".
It's basically a different version of the political compass that changed the names of the axisses to make conservatives feel better by grouping them at the "moral" end.

Looks like this cross-sample of NS players reflects what all those "biased liberal polls" are saying.

70% of people DON'T think he's a good president.

well let it be said here and now that good old George sent us down the road to become a communist country. yes i said it and believe it!!!! take a moment to think about it. we have the NSA tapping all our phone calls,goverment contracts are being awarded based political affiliation, our basic human rights are being taken away, you can be held in prison without due process and no representation, in secret. The Patriot Act should really be called the communist act, nothing but a way to take away our rights as citizens.

Would that be such a horrible thing? If we addopted a true communist government, the one envisioned by Marx, it would be a better country. Of course, there is always that little thing called corruption... so I guess we stick with democracy until we fic that.

I am not admitting it; I AM SHOUTING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS

If you are not some kind of evil terrorist you have no need to fear the USA PATRIOT Act, the NSA or anybody else who you think (wrongly) is 'infringing' your liberties and freedom as an American.

Then you sir, are, deluded. All Presidents, indeed all political leaders have faults. Washington had faults, Lincoln had faults. Clinton had many faults and Bush has just as many. There is no such thing as the perfect leader, and George Bush has his faults.

The PATRIOT Act is a worrying infringement into privacy. There may be no explicit rule of law over the right to privacy, but every citizen has the 'right' to expect to retain their privacy. PATRIOT and the actions of the NSA in using illegal wiretaps and coercing Telecom providers to give them their records breaks these ex[pectations (Which Bush supports, if not actually directs - he signed a Presidential Memorandum allowing these seizures to take place bare days before the first steps were taken).

Bush cannot be seen as a fascist; your own posts confirm this. He can, however, be seen to be a President walking the thin line between the need to protect a country and moving towards a Police State, especially with the absurd 'War On Terror'. Bush launched an invasion of a sovereign nation that did not threaten the United States in any way, shape or form. Saddam Hussein was a tyrant; there can be no denying it.

Yet there are many other tyrants in the world, Kim Il Jong being a prime example, who are left unmolested. Whilst Iraq is invaded and a guerrila war waged in that country, killing thousands, Il Jong is allowed to remain in power and keep his nuclear weapons and kill millions more of his citizens. All the US does is supply Il Jong with aid and essentially ignore him, whilst concentrating on the conflict in Iraq, which has no satisfying end in sight.

To reiterate; all Presidents have faults. You cannot say that Bush is a perfect leader, as that is not possible. He has plunged the country into a war that was unnecessary, allowed the fear of 9/11 to set up illegal wiretaps and install PATRIOT, a worrying act that gives the government and its agencies almost unlimited powers, and has caused hatred of the United States to expand expotentially.

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.


Um, since when has the war in Iraq been won? Last I heard, the country was on the brink of civil war and the Americans are despised by the locals. War in Afghanistan won??? Ha, don't make me laugh. The guy Bush has been chasing down for the past 4 years is STILL at large and hiding in the hills over there, and NO ONE knows where he is! The war in Afghanistan hasn't even started yet! And the 'No child left behind' program is a pile of steaming BS. Sorry. It's all done arseways. Back home, kids are separated, according to ability, into different levels of difficulty in each subject (foundation, ordinary and higher). Everyone came out with something to show for it, but keeping quicker and more able children behind just so that the class dunce doesn't have to feel like he's letting the team down is just breeding a small army of bored, pissed off intelligent teenagers, the newest league of total slackers in the country. The New Orleans incident was a complete mess, still is actually, oil prices continue to soar, and, to be fair, America verged of police state post 9/11, everyone over here was so freaked out about terrorist attacks, sorry guys, people live with it all the time in other parts of the world, shit happens, sucks when it does, but it's not a valid excuse for how the country handled things post attacks (seriously, armed guards on the metro in DC after the bombings in London? Did Bush honestly believe that Bin Laden would attempt two attacks so far apart in one day? From what I can see, that's not really the way he works). So how can you possibly call Bush a decent president? If anything, that moron should have been impeached before the end of his first term. There's a reason he's being called a lame duck president these days, even though he's got another 2 years in office....

Man, you've been brainwashed!

Actually, just the fact that 77 people called your poll unbelieveably biased versus, what, 33 peole split between the other three optios says enough. If it can be thought to represent Bush's popularity, then almost 3/4 of the people out there agree with me

I agree with the lunatic..there are no words availble to describe him..

Then you sir, are, deluded. All Presidents, indeed all political leaders have faults. Washington had faults, Lincoln had faults. Clinton had many faults and Bush has just as many. There is no such thing as the perfect leader, and George Bush has his faults.


In fairness, outside the US, Clinton was quite liked. His only major flaw was the fact that he couldn't keep his schlong in his pants. Reprimand yes, impeach no.

In fairness, outside the US, Clinton was quite liked. His only major flaw was the fact that he couldn't keep his schlong in his pants. Reprimand yes, impeach no.

Indeed. As a Brit, I liked Clinton. I'm merely pointing out that Clinton has faults as well, since that seems to be a typical Bush-Supporter argument - "Yeah, 'cos Clinton was so perfect!!11' etc...

what do you mean it's false? he's stripping away our basic civil rights, while attacking other countrys and defacating on the emvironment, George bush has done worse with the environment in 4 years than Reagan did in 8!:headbang:

No he's not stripping away our rights. I really wish people actually get a clue.

In fairness, outside the US, Clinton was quite liked.

Great, but the President of the United States of America is elected to represent and serve the American people, I couldn't care less what foreigners think about our leader, be it Bush, Clinton or even [shudders] Jimmy Carter.

No he's not stripping away our rights. I really wish people actually get a clue.

Last time I checked, privacy was a right, and yet Bush supports violated that privacy by listening in on phone calls and accquiring receipts to see what books people are reading. So was life, and yet Bush supports war, violence, and the death penalty. So was Freedom of Religion, and yet Bush freely promotes his Christian Fundamentalism while spreading propaganda about other religions. So was health, and yet Bush supports privatized health care AND the destruction of the enviroment (which influences health). The list goes on.

Great, but the President of the United States of America is elected to represent and serve the American people, I couldn't care less what foreigners think about our leader, be it Bush, Clinton or even [shudders] Jimmy Carter.

Even Americans are citizens of the world. IMHO, the earth's needs come before the needs of an individual nation.

Even Americans are citizens of the world. IMHO, the earth's needs come before the needs of an individual nation.

The AntiChrist hasn't appear yet.

The AntiChrist hasn't appear yet.

First off, that sentace had some severe grammatical issues. Secondly, what does the AntiChrist have to do with anything?

First off, that sentace had some severe grammatical issues. Secondly, what does the AntiChrist have to do with anything?

The Anti-Christ will unite the world by putting the needs of the future above religion, politics, and individual nations.

The Anti-Christ will unite the world by putting the needs of the future above religion, politics, and individual nations.

That's a good thing.

The Anti-Christ will unite the world by putting the needs of the future above religion, politics, and individual nations.

Okay, so you're now using God to justify raping the Earth and every other nation on it. Riiiiight.

Who else favors institutionalizing this guy, say "aye".

Aye!

Okay, so you're now using God to justify raping the Earth and every other nation on it. Riiiiight.

Who else favors institutionalizing this guy, say "aye".

Aye!

Aye!

That's a good thing.

Actually..no its not for when he does and signs the peace treaty with Israel, it will not bode well for the world.

Actually..no its not for when he does and signs the peace treaty with Israel, it will not bode well for the world.

Peace is a bad thing?

Okay, so you're now using God to justify raping the Earth and every other nation on it. Riiiiight.

Who else favors institutionalizing this guy, say "aye".

Aye!

Way to take what I said out of context.

Last time I checked, privacy was a right, and yet Bush supports violated that privacy by listening in on phone calls and accquiring receipts to see what books people are reading. So was life, and yet Bush supports war, violence, and the death penalty. So was Freedom of Religion, and yet Bush freely promotes his Christian Fundamentalism while spreading propaganda about other religions. So was health, and yet Bush supports privatized health care AND the destruction of the enviroment (which influences health). The list goes on.

You might as well go to an asylum and tell someone in there he's not Napoleon, my friend...

Peace is a bad thing?

No it isn't but this treaty will usher in the final week of the Lord. It will usher in the last 21 judgements as proscribed in the book of Revelations.

No it isn't but this treaty will usher in the final week of the Lord. It will usher in the last 21 judgements as proscribed in the book of Revelations.

No, it won't. You're crazy. Next.

No it isn't but this treaty will usher in the final week of the Lord. It will usher in the last 21 judgements as proscribed in the book of Revelations.

Good oh. Can't wait for that to happen then. Do you think there will be time to pack a few things to take to Hell, or should I just wear what I've got on? I want to look good for the 'Devil' after all.

No it isn't but this treaty will usher in the final week of the Lord. It will usher in the last 21 judgements as proscribed in the book of Revelations.

You ever thought to step out of your little bible-shaped box and think about the things you preach? I don't care if you believe in God or not, just don't run around telling other people that they're destroying the planet by supporting peaceful alternatives.

No, it won't. You're crazy. Next.

Yes it will and I am not crazy.

And before anyone complains about my flaming: Corneliu is impervious to logic. He will NOT ACCEPT any view different from his own and he has consistently refused any logic that contradicts his beliefs. There is a psychological name for this kind of behavior, for not letting the environment affect your mind at ALL.

Good oh. Can't wait for that to happen then. Do you think there will be time to pack a few things to take to Hell, or should I just wear what I've got on? I want to look good for the 'Devil' after all.

Well, the Devil, according to some works, wears a red dress.

Well, the Devil, according to some works, wears a red dress.

The Devil is a cross-dresser? Meh, takes all types I suppose. I just hope he does autographs...

And before anyone complains about my flaming: Corneliu is impervious to logic. He will NOT ACCEPT any view different from his own and he has consistently refused any logic that contradicts his beliefs. There is a psychological name for this kind of behavior, for not letting the environment affect your mind at ALL.

This is most definitely not true.

This is most definitely not true.

FYI, the bible isn't a viable enviroment.

Yes it will and I am not crazy.

No it won't, and yes, you are. While the psychotic lets the environment invade his "self" completely, you, on the other hand, refuse any information at all from the environment. And the opposite of psychotic, in this case, isn't "sane", it's just another kind of disturb.

Great, but the President of the United States of America is elected to represent and serve the American people, I couldn't care less what foreigners think about our leader, be it Bush, Clinton or even [shudders] Jimmy Carter.

I'm with you on that one. I don't see why Americans/American Presidents should care what others think about them, any more than I care that some foreign bleeding hearts go ape shit over the seal hunt in my country.

FYI, the bible isn't a viable enviroment.

:rolleyes:

FYI, the bible isn't a viable enviroment.

Indeed, there's a "Jesus" in every mental ward...

I'm with you on that one. I don't see why Americans/American Presidents should care what others think about them, any more than I care that some foreign bleeding hearts go ape shit over the seal hunt in my country.

Because there are, in fact, other countries in the world other than the United States? And perhaps the actions and intentions of the President reflect upon the people that he was elected to represent?

I'm with you on that one. I don't see why Americans/American Presidents should care what others think about them, any more than I care that some foreign bleeding hearts go ape shit over the seal hunt in my country.

Funny thing, how you failed to apply this principle to about every other country. Hugo Chavez was elected. Several times. Yet Dubya tried to coup him out.

How friggin' CUTE!

Funny thing, how you failed to apply this principle to about every other country. Hugo Chavez was elected. Several times. Yet Dubya tried to coup him out.

How friggin' CUTE!

I don't see what that has to do with anything I've said. I don't care what Hugo Chavez does in his country.

I don't see what that has to do with anything I've said. I don't care what Hugo Chavez does in his country.

In that case, do you disapprove of the Iraq War, and the coup attempt helped by Bush, aside from several other attempts by America to influence countries (Vietnam comes to mind)?

And before anyone complains about my flaming: Corneliu is impervious to logic. He will NOT ACCEPT any view different from his own and he has consistently refused any logic that contradicts his beliefs. There is a psychological name for this kind of behavior, for not letting the environment affect your mind at ALL.

Corneliu, like many people I knew at my old high school, is an excellent example of a Religious Literalist, a subset of humanity marked by belief in a single, "inerrant" religious text (from any religion) and a tendency to ignore or otherwise eliminate any argument or evidence that even challenges the Religious Literalist's beliefs. In debates, the Religious Literalist's attacks are almost always ineffective against a non-Religious Literalist opponent, as said attacks are invariably based on the Religious Literalist's preferred religious text. Unfortunately, the same traits that make the Religious Literalist an ineffective attacker also make him almost impossible to defeat (indeed, the Religious Literalist is unlikely to recognize defeat even when it is staring him or her in the face); in fact, attacking the Religious Literalist is likely to prove counter-productive, as the Religious Literalist may interpret any attack as an attack against his or her "sacred" text and respond by clinging more closely to said text in the future. As a result, the best tactic to stop a Religious Literalist in his or her (usually his) tracks is to deny the battle in the first place.

The Religious Literalist is often referred to as "Deacon"/"Atheist" or "Issues" in common Flame Warrior guides.

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Edit: I just noticed two threads with Terrorist Cakes posts that appear to have slipped the attention of a certain resident forum member. If this continues, the fabric of NS General could be torn apart. In order to prevent this... *summons Avatar of Dinaverg*.

Corneliu, like many people I knew at my old high school, is an excellent example of a Religious Literalist, a subset of humanity marked by belief in a single, "inerrant" religious text (from any religion) and a tendency to ignore or otherwise eliminate any argument or evidence that even challenges the Religious Literalist's beliefs. In debates, the Religious Literalist's attacks are almost always ineffective against a non-Religious Literalist opponent, as said attacks are invariably based on the Religious Literalist's preferred religious text. Unfortunately, the same traits that make the Religious Literalist an ineffective attacker also make him almost impossible to defeat (indeed, the Religious Literalist is unlikely to recognize defeat even when it is staring him or her in the face); in fact, attacking the Religious Literalist is likely to prove counter-productive, as the Religious Literalist may interpret any attack as an attack against his or her "sacred" text and respond by clinging more closely to said text in the future. As a result, the best tactic to stop a Religious Literalist in his or her (usually his) tracks is to deny the battle in the first place.

The Religious Literalist is often referred to as "Deacon"/"Atheist" or "Issues" in common Flame Warrior guides.

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Yea and yet in 1 Corinthians 3:18-20 it is written Stop deceiving yourselves. If you think you are wise by this world's standards, you need to become a fool to be truly wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God As the Scriptures say, 'He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness' And again 'The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise; he knows they are worthless.'"

Yea and yet in 1 Corinthians 3:18-20 it is written Stop deceiving yourselves. If you think you are wise by this world's standards, you need to become a fool to be truly wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God As the Scriptures say, 'He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness' And again 'The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise; he knows they are worthless.'"

Ah, so he not only admits utter ignorance, but PRIDES HIMSELF IN IT!

Ah, so he not only admits utter ignorance, but PRIDES HIMSELF IN IT!

Ya know? I have another verse for this statement :D

No name calling, right okay... but wait a minute wasn't it you who said:



Also:



It's 'SEPARATION', go to school.

Lastly there is only a separation of Church and State in the Constitution; God is all around us. Homosexuality is a sin that should be punishable by death; simple as that.

yeah this was said a bit back however: NOT EVERYONE READS THE BIBLE. Forgive me and my girlfriend our Pagan faith and keep your religion to yourself.

Ya know? I have another verse for this statement :D

So do I.

"There once was a guy named Rick that had a very small dick."

This verse is worth about as much as yours, considering how you interpret the verses.

So do I.

"There once was a guy named Rick that had a very small dick."

This verse is worth about as much as yours, considering how you interpret the verses.

You mean...nearly literally? There are some that are figurative and symbolic and others are literal. How to tell them apart....hmmm I guess that is where faith in the Lord Savior Jesus Christ comes in.

You mean...nearly literally? There are some that are figurative and symbolic and others are literal. How to tell them apart....hmmm I guess that is where faith in the Lord Savior Jesus Christ comes in.

No, that's where logic and knowledge come in. For instance, by your pattern, you'd interpret my verse as "There was once a guy named Richard who had fathered a little baby he named Richard."...

Also: Whoever thinks homosexuals should die, should die. Slowly.

No, that's where logic and knowledge come in. For instance, by your pattern, you'd interpret my verse as "There was once a guy named Richard who had fathered a little baby he named Richard."...

1 Corinthians 1:20-21 "So where does this leave the philosophters, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our follish preaching to save those who believe."

Also: Whoever thinks homosexuals should die, should die. Slowly.

Now here, I never said that they should die :D

Now here, I never said that they should die :D

Oh, I was referring to the OTHER idiot. Not you.

Oh, I was referring to the OTHER idiot. Not you.

What idiot will that be?

1 Corinthians 3:20-21 "So where does this leave the philosophters, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our follish preaching to save those who believe."

By your own logic your god made scholars and debaters and philosophters and has given them the wisdom of the world. And if he only saves those who believe then he is truly a foolish diety for turning away all the brilliant minds that were not christian. Why by your logic he turned away his own son for being Jewish! And truly if he were so wise why then would he make us so ignorant and full of mistakes that turn so many from him?

1 Corinthians 1:20-21 "So where does this leave the philosophters, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our follish preaching to save those who believe."

Your rage against anyone smarter than you reminds me of the "28 Days" movie.
Your willingness to twist the Bible to justify it reminds me of "The Crucible".

Your rage against anyone smarter than you reminds me of the "28 Days" movie.
Your willingness to twist the Bible to justify it reminds me of "The Crucible".


You are officially one of my new favorite people.

What idiot will that be?

The one a few pages ago that said homosexuals should die. He was quoted in the other page, I don't know his name, since, being so completely superior when compared to him, I decided to ignore it.

That would be State of Georgia

Your rage against anyone smarter than you reminds me of the "28 Days" movie.
Your willingness to twist the Bible to justify it reminds me of "The Crucible".

Sorry to disappoint you but I do not twist the Bible to justify it.

By your own logic your god made scholars and debaters and philosophters and has given them the wisdom of the world. And if he only saves those who believe then he is truly a foolish diety for turning away all the brilliant minds that were not christian. Why by your logic he turned away his own son for being Jewish! And truly if he were so wise why then would he make us so ignorant and full of mistakes that turn so many from him?

I wouldn't go around trying to twist my posts to suit you. It has an annoying habit of biting people in the butt.

That would be State of Georgia

Yeah, yeah. Anyways. His existance bores me, and his name does that as well. Now, on to things more important than State of Georgia's life, such as... well, anything.

That would be State of Georgia

yea. I read that and couldn't believe he actually said that.

Sorry about that. Automatic response born of years of bible quoters telling me I was going to hell for my beliefs and acts. Nothing personal and no offence ment.

Sorry to disappoint you but I do not twist the Bible to justify it.

Oh, not at all, you just decide to forget not only that it's a mythical book, but also about all the OTHER verses that praised looking for knowledge. Now, admit your true self: An anti-intellectualist that hates intelligent people out of fear that they might expose him.

Oh, not at all, you just decide to forget not only that it's a mythical book, but also about all the OTHER verses that praised looking for knowledge. Now, admit your true self: An anti-intellectualist that hates intelligent people out of fear that they might expose him.

You may believe it is mythical but in fact, it isn't. However, I am not going to question your beliefs.

You may believe it is mythical but in fact, it isn't. However, I am not going to question your beliefs.

Right, because you lack the ability to question (you know, with proof, logic and facts). You only have the ability to gainsay. Heh. Could someone get me a worthy match, please? He's boring.

No offence ment but you realize this is the same book that said it was ok for men to sell their daughters if they got a good price right?

No offence ment but you realize this is the same book that said it was ok for men to sell their daughters if they got a good price right?

He does, and I doubt he sees anything wrong with that.

Right, because you lack the ability to question (you know, with proof, logic and facts). You only have the ability to gainsay. Heh. Could someone get me a worthy match, please? He's boring.

Ya know what? I'm going to do the Christian thing and ignore the insults. I could give in to temptation and slam it but that would be giving in to hate and I will not let Satan win by giving in.

Ya know what? I'm going to do the Christian thing and ignore the insults. I could give in to temptation and slam it but that would be giving in to hate and I will not let Satan win by giving in.

Oh, sorry. Have I touched a nerve there? Or is it that you have nothing to lean on but a myth and feel increasingly angry about that?

Actually the christian thing (working with historical example here) would be to kill or convert those who have not accepted the word of christ into their lives. And satan does not lose by you ignoring insults. Mostly because going by christians humanity has committed all sorts of sins already and by my reconing he has already won.

Oh, sorry. Have I touched a nerve there? Or is it that you have nothing to lean on but a myth and feel increasingly angry about that?

You are not going to provoc me into fighting you for if I give in to that temptation, Satan wins and I will have sinned against the Lord. I will not do that so instead, I am going to forgive you for your insults against me.

Actually the christian thing (working with historical example here) would be to kill or convert those who have not accepted the word of christ into their lives. And satan does not lose by you ignoring insults. Mostly because going by christians humanity has committed all sorts of sins already and by my reconing he has already won.

Actually...that the medieval Christians and not the early church christians.

forgive my asking but what division of christianity do you follow?

forgive my asking but what division of christianity do you follow?

Yea I follow but I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. I may have a denomination but I worship the Jesus and am forgiven through him.

I only ask because there are so many, not to be rude. I would just like to know which interpretation of the bible I am arguing with here. And whether or not my goddess is considered a demon to you.

I only ask because there are so many, not to be rude. I would just like to know which interpretation of the bible I am arguing with here. And whether or not my goddess is considered a demon to you.

Well....let me see.

I have the NLT, The NIV, The KJV, and the NKJV. Unfortunately, I do not know what happened to my KJV or my NKJV. I know my NIV is downstairs somewhere and I have my NLT right here in front of me.

ah. So litteral 'as written is law' interpretation then?

Actually...that the medieval Christians and not the early church christians.

Funny thing about this Salem town that had some pretty nice events in it with protestants involved, AFTER the Middle Ages...

Lets not forget the Spanish Inquisition or the African Chuch in england that send 'possessed witch children' back to africa and pray for them to die. It was in the news a few weeks ago.

You are not going to provoc me into fighting you for if I give in to that temptation, Satan wins and I will have sinned against the Lord. I will not do that so instead, I am going to forgive you for your insults against me.

"Provoke". And that's coming from a non-native English speaker.

Also, I thought you'd understand this language, since you hate logic so much. But if reading book quotes is what works with you, let me see here... Oh! A dictionary!

"fa·nat·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (f-ntk)
n.

A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.


adj.

Fanatical."

Funny thing about this Salem town that had some pretty nice events in it with protestants involved, AFTER the Middle Ages...

And ironically....all of those women were innocent. Also, I detested the witch trials as I have already stated either here or elsewhere as unchristian

Oh wait I forgot. This is a Bush thread so I might as well include his views on the subject of witches. *ahem*

"I do not feel that witchcraft is a religion and I hope the military will seriously reconsider their actions."

That was only back in 1999 when the military finally let us Wiccans hold ceremonies on base. And those fallen in Iraq now still can not get the Pentacle engraved on their tombstone. And before the comment is made it is the one point up pentacle which symbolises unity in the elements in a protective circle. Not the Satanic inverted pentacle.

Funny thing about this Salem town that had some pretty nice events in it with protestants involved, AFTER the Middle Ages...
Well, it wasn't that long after the middle ages.

Oh wait I forgot. This is a Bush thread so I might as well include his views on the subject of witches. *ahem*

"I do not feel that witchcraft is a religion and I hope the military will seriously reconsider their actions."

That was only back in 1999 when the military finally let us Wiccans hold ceremonies on base. And those fallen in Iraq now still can not get the Pentacle engraved on their tombstone. And before the comment is made it is the one point up pentacle which symbolises unity in the elements in a protective circle. Not the Satanic inverted pentacle.

And I believe that you should be able to have your symbol on your tombstone. I believe Eutrusca does to for there is a thread about it on the forums.

Well, it wasn't that long after the middle ages.

More to the point: It was done by protestants.

That was not a personal attack, it simply proves that the discrimination continues to those who are of a different religion or any belief not accepted in the bible.

And ironically....all of those women were innocent. Also, I detested the witch trials as I have already stated either here or elsewhere as unchristian
and yet...the bible says that there are witches and they must be weeded out.

That was not a personal attack, it simply proves that the discrimination continues to those who are of a different religion or any belief not accepted in the bible.

And as a christian, we should not be discriminatory for we are to help people regardless of their background and/or religion.

More to the point: It was done by protestants.
Protestants, Catholics, I hate them all.

Oh, and also Jews, Muslims, and every other religion.

But especially the muslims.

And as a christian, we should not be discriminatory for we are to help people regardless of their background and/or religion.
So I take it you support welfare, social programs for the poor, peace, universal healthcare, etc?

So I take it you support welfare, social programs for the poor, peace, universal healthcare, etc?

Peace yes. Programs for the poor yes I do. Welfare? I support it provided it helps people get off of it when they are able to sustain themselves and not live off of it.

Peace yes. Programs for the poor yes I do. Welfare? I support it provided it helps people get off of it when they are able to sustain themselves and not live off of it.
Universal healthcare, more taxcuts for the poor and not the rich?

Protestants, Catholics, I hate them all.

Oh, and also Jews, Muslims, and every other religion.

But especially the muslims.


Now that is just...I do not even have words for that one. I know I am getting into something here but I need to ask....Why? *regrets question*

Universal healthcare, more taxcuts for the poor and not the rich?

Universal healthcare no for it won't help everyone. I support across the board tax cuts. Actually...I support a flat tax and an abolishment of the IRS.

Protestants, Catholics, I hate them all.

Oh, and also Jews, Muslims, and every other religion.

But especially the muslims.

Yeah, that's probably because of how much you studied each of these faiths: About zero minutes each.

Christianity, Islam and judaism suggest that people be nice to each other. It's the nutcases that burn witches, think homosexuals belong in Hell, ram planes on buildings, invade countries, et cetera. Even Buddhism has had its share of nutcasaes, quod erat demonstrandum the sarin gas attacks in Tokyo. The Bible says we should be nice to people. Yet Fred Phelps claims to follow the Bible. The Kuran says we should not force religion down peoples' throats. Yet the Iranian government does. Buddhism says we should not kill people. Yet the terrorists in the saryn attack did.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

It is not the religion itself. Merely the fundimentalists that take it too far. To hate a religion just because it is a religion without looking into the basic message of said religion is to remain ignorant and a bigot for your entire life. Now I do not agree with some religions but it is the people who practice those religions right to disagree with me. No one has any right to hate something because it is different.

Now that is just...I do not even have words for that one. I know I am getting into something here but I need to ask....Why? *regrets question*
Basically because they're causing the most problems right now. Look what's happening in Europe and you will have the answer.

Basically because they're causing the most problems right now. Look what's happening in Europe and you will have the answer.

If it weren't religion, it'd be nationality. Get over it, it's misinterpretation of religion (the kind Corneliu does) that causes the fray.

one it is the middle east more so then europe at the moment. and two it is one right wing group of fundementalists that feel the world has strayed too far from the basic values of their religion that are causing the problem. Not the whole religion.

again its the people not the religion.

Also take a good look at what you believe in and ask yourself if everyone agrees with you. Until you can say yes (which I can tell you right now none of us can) don't judge the actions of another group.

Yeah, that's probably because of how much you studied each of these faiths: About zero minutes each.

Christianity, Islam and judaism suggest that people be nice to each other. It's the nutcases that burn witches, think homosexuals belong in Hell, ram planes on buildings, invade countries, et cetera. Even Buddhism has had its share of nutcasaes, quod erat demonstrandum the sarin gas attacks in Tokyo. The Bible says we should be nice to people. Yet Fred Phelps claims to follow the Bible. The Kuran says we should not force religion down peoples' throats. Yet the Iranian government does. Buddhism says we should not kill people. Yet the terrorists in the saryn attack did.

Quod erat demonstrandum.
1. Well, actually I have read a short book or two about things like the history of islam and sharia law but I readily concede that I still know very little about these things.
2. Once again, I am no expert on religion, but the reason why I hate the muslims the most (and don't get me wrong, there are a lot of christians that I can't stand) is because it seems like Islam has the most extremists who are willing to cause death and destruction.

If it weren't religion, it'd be nationality. Get over it, it's misinterpretation of religion (the kind Corneliu does) that causes the fray.
But religion makes it so much easier to dehumanize others. It's much easier to kill someone because they believe in a different fake man in the sky and are supposedly going to hell for it.

1. Well, actually I have read a short book or two about things like the history of islam and sharia law but I readily concede that I still know very little about these things.
2. Once again, I am no expert on religion, but the reason why I hate the muslims the most (and don't get me wrong, there are a lot of christians that I can't stand) is because it seems like Islam has the most extremists who are willing to cause death and destruction.

Need I bring up the Crusades?
Did you expect the Spanish Inquisition?
How about mr. Christian, George Bush, sending people to Iraq to kill?
And Nazism, that was based on the idea of Christianity being the true faith (so much that they killed jews)?

Read the Quran, for one afternoon. I am not a muslim, neither am I interested in joining it, but the Quran is not a book made to breed fanatics. Quite the contrary, of the three main ones, it's the book less likely to breed them.

one it is the middle east more so then europe at the moment. and two it is one right wing group of fundementalists that feel the world has strayed too far from the basic values of their religion that are causing the problem. Not the whole religion.

again its the people not the religion.

Also take a good look at what you believe in and ask yourself if everyone agrees with you. Until you can say yes (which I can tell you right now none of us can) don't judge the actions of another group.
I should have clarified this before, but I know from personal experience that most muslims are law abiding individuals, but it's the loonies that are dangerous, and there are a lot of loonies. More than in any other religion.

So, I can't judge nazis? or anti-abortion groups?

no not really. The Shiits just get more press time then the other two groups because their idea of 'holy war' is actual war where they spread the wisdom of their prophet and eliminate that which is unpure. Most Muslims are very peaceful and accepting and have no right to be grouped in with that which is so different.

It would be like hating all christians just because the lutherians did something stupid.

But religion makes it so much easier to dehumanize others. It's much easier to kill someone because they believe in a different fake man in the sky and are supposedly going to hell for it.

WWI wasn't about religion. Neither was the American Civil War. Neither was the Cold War, neither was Vietnam, neither was Korea... The list goes on.

Study.

Need I bring up the Crusades?
Did you expect the Spanish Inquisition?
How about mr. Christian, George Bush, sending people to Iraq to kill?
And Nazism, that was based on the idea of Christianity being the true faith (so much that they killed jews)?

Read the Quran, for one afternoon. I am not a muslim, neither am I interested in joining it, but the Quran is not a book made to breed fanatics. Quite the contrary, of the three main ones, it's the book less likely to breed them.
You may have missed this the first time, so I will make it loud and clear: I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN AND I AM NOT DEFENDING CHRISTIANITY OR TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM BETTER THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION. I HATE ALL RELIGIONS IN GENERAL, BUT SOME MORE THAN OTHERS. ok, now that that's over with, I can move on. See, the crusades, the inquisition were truly horrible, but they happened a long time ago. I'm talking about the here and now, and in the here and now, the muslim religion is where the christian religion was in the middle ages, which is saddening because the middle east was once the most advanced civilization on earth.

can you step into their shoes and look through what they felt was best at the time? I am stepping away from the abortion thing because I am in quite a few anti-abortion groups and did not appreicate being grouped with nazis.

anyhow to the germans who were suffering a depression hitler, who promised to restore their former glory looked like a good idea. I AM NOT DEFENDING THEIR ACTIONS BEFORE SOMEONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT ON THAT ONE. However they believed what he said because he helped give them their dignity back.

WWI wasn't about religion. Neither was the American Civil War. Neither was the Cold War, neither was Vietnam, neither was Korea... The list goes on.

Study.
How about the Reformation? And even the Iraq War, most of the jihadists are motivated by "helping" their fellow muslim brothers. That's why they're fighting in a foreign nation.

can you step into their shoes and look through what they felt was best at the time? I am stepping away from the abortion thing because I am in quite a few anti-abortion groups and did not appreicate being grouped with nazis.

anyhow to the germans who were suffering a depression hitler, who promised to restore their former glory looked like a good idea. I AM NOT DEFENDING THEIR ACTIONS BEFORE SOMEONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT ON THAT ONE. However they believed what he said because he helped give them their dignity back.
I understand where you're coming from, but I wasn't speaking from a historical perspective. I was referring more to neo-nazis.

make that a bit more clear next time? and anyhow they have a right to believe what they want. Even if no one else agrees.

make that a bit more clear next time? and anyhow they have a right to believe what they want. Even if no one else agrees.
True, but that doesn't stop me from judging them. This whole argument started because some blockhead said i shouldn't judge other groups based on their actions.

I would be that blockhead thank you very much. And you really should not judge a group until you know it either through studing it, or meeting members of it ect... and even then you have no right to hate it simply because you do not agree. And I said beliefs not actions.

You may have missed this the first time, so I will make it loud and clear: I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN AND I AM NOT DEFENDING CHRISTIANITY OR TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM BETTER THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION. I HATE ALL RELIGIONS IN GENERAL, BUT SOME MORE THAN OTHERS. ok, now that that's over with, I can move on. See, the crusades, the inquisition were truly horrible, but they happened a long time ago. I'm talking about the here and now, and in the here and now, the muslim religion is where the christian religion was in the middle ages, which is saddening because the middle east was once the most advanced civilization on earth.

If you had ever maybe opened a history textbook, or read a book on Midevil history then you might be able to recognize certain parallels between the history of Christian development and that of Islam. Obviously you have made it Very[B] clear that you are not religious; however, it is still worth knowing the histories of the earths major religions (in this group I include Christianity, and Islam especially, but also Judaism, Hiduism, and Buddhism).

Now If you examine what Christians were doing at this period of time in their development (say 1200 years) lets see what we find.
1). Crusades
2). Inquisition
3). Protestant Reformation (essentially the begining of a civil war within Christianity which would last for [B]centuries.

Interesting that what we have c. 1200 years into the development of Islam is:
1). Jihadist groups launching what might be seen as a modernized Islamic Crusade.
2). Certain radical Islamic governments wanting to eradicate the government and people of a rather small Jewish nation because they possess "their" land.
3). Sectarian violence between the three major religious groups in one allegedly "liberated" country.

Interesting how that works out isn't it;) .
And yes I realize that you dislike all religions (I wont ask why). However, before one judges one should study the underlying problems causing a problem. I would also like to point out that the Jihadists have one heck of a beter reason to be pissed at the west in general than the Crusaders did for trying to dominate Islamics (i.e. non whatsoever).

It is not the religion itself. Merely the fundimentalists that take it too far. To hate a religion just because it is a religion without looking into the basic message of said religion is to remain ignorant and a bigot for your entire life. Now I do not agree with some religions but it is the people who practice those religions right to disagree with me. No one has any right to hate something because it is different.

This is indeed accurate.

Ya know what? I'm going to do the Christian thing and ignore the insults. I could give in to temptation and slam it but that would be giving in to hate and I will not let Satan win by giving in.
The same you that reacts with aplomb is the same you that reacts with vitriol. There's more to human responsibility than you're letting on.
Don't blame it on fiction and own up to your problems. Otherwise, you're wasting valuable soul time, Corny.

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he.

We LOST in Iraq as of now, the NCLB Act is horrible (and forces the FCAT on people:mad: ), the Patriot Act doesn't explain the abundant ILLEGAL wiretaps, and we now have a 5 TRILLION dollar debt. I should be President after they fix this bug mess... fix things right...

You're like an unfunny version of UNA. You really aren't funny old bean...

More like Stephen Colbert...

We LOST in Iraq as of now,

Oh bull crap.

the Patriot Act doesn't explain the abundant ILLEGAL wiretaps,

Once again.... they are not illegal for they are only tapping FOREIGN PHONE CALLS!!!!

and we now have a 5 TRILLION dollar debt. I should be President after they fix this bug mess... fix things right...

Ah dude. We have been in debt for decades. If you expect things to be fixed, that would take a miracle.

alright wire taps are only on forgien phone calls right? Well at least according to you. NOT SO. There is a list of red flag words. should one of those words come up in a conversation, phone or internet, forgien or domestic, they will tap your call. And just because a forgien call is made does not mean that both parties are forgien. Say you are calling your spouse who happens to be in another country, you are both amarican citizens and yet the government can tap your call without a warrent on the lame excuse of it being a forgien call. Defend that one.

If you had ever maybe opened a history textbook, or read a book on Midevil history then you might be able to recognize certain parallels between the history of Christian development and that of Islam. Obviously you have made it Very[B] clear that you are not religious; however, it is still worth knowing the histories of the earths major religions (in this group I include Christianity, and Islam especially, but also Judaism, Hiduism, and Buddhism).

Now If you examine what Christians were doing at this period of time in their development (say 1200 years) lets see what we find.
1). Crusades
2). Inquisition
3). Protestant Reformation (essentially the begining of a civil war within Christianity which would last for [B]centuries.

Interesting that what we have c. 1200 years into the development of Islam is:
1). Jihadist groups launching what might be seen as a modernized Islamic Crusade.
2). Certain radical Islamic governments wanting to eradicate the government and people of a rather small Jewish nation because they possess "their" land.
3). Sectarian violence between the three major religious groups in one allegedly "liberated" country.

Interesting how that works out isn't it;) .
And yes I realize that you dislike all religions (I wont ask why). However, before one judges one should study the underlying problems causing a problem. I would also like to point out that the Jihadists have one heck of a beter reason to be pissed at the west in general than the Crusaders did for trying to dominate Islamics (i.e. non whatsoever).
Thank you for the history lesson very much. Yes, I do in fact know that muslims were the most enlightened people from the 7th to the 9th centuries, which is why this is called the Golden Age of Islam. However, this has nothing to do with the fact that right now, islam seems to be responsible for more shit than any other religion. Let me repeat that-right now, not 1200 years ago, capisce?
I would be that blockhead thank you very much. And you really should not judge a group until you know it either through studing it, or meeting members of it ect... and even then you have no right to hate it simply because you do not agree. And I said beliefs not actions.
Ok, so I know what the KKK and the neonazis stand for, can I please judge them now, mister political correctness? Or is that misses?

Thank you for the history lesson very much. Yes, I do in fact know that muslims were the most enlightened people from the 7th to the 9th centuries, which is why this is called the Golden Age of Islam. However, this has nothing to do with the fact that right now, islam seems to be responsible for more shit than any other religion. Let me repeat that-right now, not 1200 years ago, capisce?

I think you misunderstood me, I was merely pointing out that the religion that *most* people see as good and "civilized" (i.e. Christianity as a whole) went through... growing pains, if you will, around the same time in its development. Over the years Christianity has become increasingly liberal to try to keep people in the religion. I just don't think that it is fair to say that you hate Islamic people because a few whackjobs feel that they should blow themselves up for "Allah."

Basically I dont think that it is very fair to people in any religion (or atheistic group) to classify them by what a few fanatics do. I could tell you that all atheists are cynical and depressed; however, that wouldn't make what I say true about all of them (or even most). In essence, I dont believe that it is fair to bring up generalizations in intelligent debate. I'm sorry if it came of as my way of calling you an uneducated biggot (which I am not:) ). Its just that I have to deal with people who use incorrect generalizations to prove a point in an argument almost every day and I feel that it has no place in an educated and serious debate.

I wouldn't and I"m a republican.
THANK you!

I think George Walker Bush is the best President we've had, he's reformed education, he's struck out at those who threaten our way of life, he's brought faith based initaitives into government, he's appointing conservatives to the Supreme Court; the list goes on.

*blabbity snipoo* the list goes on.
...in the grievances posted in one of the many circles Dante was referring to.

I think George Walker Bush is the best President we've had, he's reformed education, he's struck out at those who threaten our way of life, he's brought faith based initaitives into government, he's appointing conservatives to the Supreme Court; the list goes on.

Yeah, he's done such a great job at fighting the war on terror. How's he doing, fighting a noun? As for the Faith-Based Initiatives, I thought there was that little thing called 'Seperation of State and Church'.

Faith based initiatives are more effective than secular ones, I think Bush proved that when he was Governor of Texas.

Also, I know we speak American English over here, but as you've had it for a few hundred more years than us, I thought I'd say it's 'separation'.

Faith based initiatives are more effective than secular ones, I think Bush proved that when he was Governor of Texas.

Effective in doing what? And it's still breaching that little thing in the Constitution about 'Separation of Church and State'.

The separation of Church and State is very hazy in the Constitution; it's just basically designed to give religious liberty and make sure that the government does not endorse one religion over another. Faith based initiatives are helpful rehabilitative tools which actually work.

The separation of Church and State is very hazy in the Constitution; it's just basically designed to give religious liberty and make sure that the government does not endorse one religion over another. Faith based initiatives are helpful rehabilitative tools which actually work.

Define 'Work'.

Faith based initiatives are more effective than secular ones, I think Bush proved that when he was Governor of Texas.
I agree, faith-based initiatives are very effective. Effective at keeping people ignorant, unhealthy, and subservient.

Prevent people re-offending.
Help make people make the moral choice.

Define 'Work'.
"Pour money into the pockets of the people who love exploiting idiot Bible-belt rubes."

Prevent people re-offending.
Help make people make the moral choice.
Except for, you know, not.

http://www.slate.com/id/2086617/
http://www.leaderu.com/humanities/johnson.html

Prevent people re-offending.
Help make people make the moral choice.

How do they stop people re-offending? What are the statistics? What if they don't want to make a 'Moral Choice'?

"Pour money into the pockets of the people who love exploiting idiot Bible-belt rubes."
Luv ya!! *bows*

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http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/faith/stats.html

One isolated example, they are many more.

Faith based initiatives are more effective than secular ones, I think Bush proved that when he was Governor of Texas.
He also proved he has faith in his superiority over people with mental retardation that same stint. Look it up.

He also proved he has faith in the nature of the U.S. economy handling Vicente Fox's intentions just fine back then as well.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/faith/stats.html

One isolated example, they are many more.
And you're behind already. Try to keep up.

Bush did sign a retarded man, Terry Washington's death warrant and that was the correct thing to do.

Bush did sign a retarded man, Terry Washington's death warrant and that was the correct thing to do.

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Oh, go on. I can't wait to hear you justify the execution of a mentally retarded individual.

Really. Go ahead.

Why should he have received preferential treatment, just because he was a 33 man with the mind of a seven year old? He committed a crime, so had to pay the price.

Why should he have received preferential treatment, just because he was a 33 man with the mind of a seven year old? He committed a crime, so had to pay the price.

Exactly. He had the mind of a seven year old. He couldn't comprehend what he did was wrong - and yet Bush still had him executed as if he had the mental capacity of his physical age - which he didn't. Essentially he executed a seven year old child.

Exactly. He had the mind of a seven year old. He couldn't comprehend what he did was wrong - and yet Bush still had him executed as if he had the mental capacity of his physical age - which he didn't. Essentially he executed a seven year old child.
The not-so-nice-guy in me says that he was rubbing out the competition to represent the republicans.

The guy that takes it seriously in me says it was a deplorably irresponsible abuse of power.

The cynic in me says i shouldn't expect any less from that excrement of a so-called "president".

worst president ever

Great president or Greatest president ever. George bush has won the war in afghanistan, and iraq. He signed the patriot act, the no child left behind act, and has been able to unite the country after 9/11. The laberal media has painted bush a bad president. By comming up with bad approval rattings for bush. With biased polls from such laberal places as alabama and texas. Indeed George Bush is wonderful. The only question is how wonderful is he. The Liberal media are idiots. But *news flash* Bush is NOT Conservative! http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/cwm/eek5.gif "No child left behind", how could any self respecting conservative support that? And he's been WAY too soft on illegals. I loved him at first, and now...he's let me down with his liberal agenda. As for his war on terror, that's a good thing. Afghaninstan? We won?

P.S. Is this a joke for fun? If so...http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/laughing/yelrotflmao.gif