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I need severe help. My parents have seemingly decided that I'm an abomination because I support homosexuals, bisexuals and transgenders because I participated in the Day of Silence. They also have decided I'm a druggie because I have (had) a lighter.

This seems to be the final straw for me. They say horrible things, then act like it doesn't happen.

I want to run away. I know people who would let me stay with them and not make my parents come and get me. Is this wise? I have the money...

I need severe help. My parents have seemingly decided that I'm an abomination because I support homosexuals, bisexuals and transgenders because I participated in the Day of Silence. They also have decided I'm a druggie because I have (had) a lighter.

This seems to be the final straw for me. They say horrible things, then act like it doesn't happen.

I want to run away. I know people who would let me stay with them and not make my parents come and get me. Is this wise? I have the money...
Go to your friends place, if their parents will understand. If your religious, find a local mission/church/mosque/temple/etc. They'll probably let you stay with them. Even if your not religious, they'll still probably let you stay with them. If that doesn't work, find a homeless shelter. I doubt children services will do anything unless they beat you.

how old are you?

I need severe help. My parents have seemingly decided that I'm an abomination because I support homosexuals, bisexuals and transgenders because I participated in the Day of Silence. They also have decided I'm a druggie because I have (had) a lighter.

This seems to be the final straw for me. They say horrible things, then act like it doesn't happen.

I want to run away. I know people who would let me stay with them and not make my parents come and get me. Is this wise? I have the money...

Depends how old you are.

how old are you?

Had to beat me to it...I had to bother quoting. :(

I'm 13.

I'm 13.

Aren't you a bit young to be thinking about running away?

they don't sound too bad just run of the mill protective parents who have the same views on homosexuals, bisexuals and transgender that all 40-something’s have

actually they sound quite nice:)

I'm 13.
i say talk to them about it, but what do i know? i don't know them or you... its hard to say. i wouldn't advise it at your age to be frank. however if you have friends who are willing to help and put you up then getting away (for a while to let things cool off) could be a temorary solution if they don't listen. but talking really is the best solution - try and get them to see your point of view and how much these things they say hurt you. if they don't care or don't listen, then you're in a difficult situation... that said, it does depend on the severity of their words or actions. it doesn't sound like they're being genuinely abusive - perhaps you can talk things through?

I'm 13.
You participated in a Day of Silence at 13. Nice.
I wouldn't run away until you've finished your education, to be honest.

they don't sound too bad just run of the mill protective parents who have the same views on homosexuals, bisexuals and transgender that all 40-something’s have

actually they sound quite nice:)

Not letting me grieve over the death of my friend was protective? Telling me to suck it up? My mom telling me that she wishes she'd never had me is protective?

Not letting me grieve over the death of my friend was protective? Telling me to suck it up? My mom telling me that she wishes she'd never had me is protective?
Like I said, RUN. Friends places are the best places. Religious centers the next best thing.

Not letting me grieve over the death of my friend was protective? Telling me to suck it up? My mom telling me that she wishes she'd never had me is protective?
Do you have any relatives who you like?

Like I said, RUN. Friends places are the best places. Religious centers the next best thing.

At 13? Dude, this may well be a combination of overprotective parents and teen anguish/usual 'Parents are fascist' stuff. Telling him to RUN is rather an exaggeration.

At 13? Dude, this may well be a combination of overprotective parents and teen anguish/usual 'Parents are fascist' stuff. Telling him to RUN is rather an exaggeration.
Have you ever suffered verbal abuse? If not, I recommend you shut up.

Have you ever suffered verbal abuse? If not, I recommend you shut up.

Wow, harsh words for someone talking about verbal abuse. I don't know if the OP has experience verbal abuse or not, but it's hardly purdent to run away at his age. I really think he should try to talk to his parents and make them see his point of view first. If that doesn't work, then he can maybe think of more dramatic actions to take. Do you really think he can live with his friends or a church for the rest of his middle/high school years for free? It's not even legal for him to get a job yet. So, honestly, for the OP, think about this. Don't let one moment of rash decision ruin your life.

At 13? Dude, this may well be a combination of overprotective parents and teen anguish/usual 'Parents are fascist' stuff. Telling him to RUN is rather an exaggeration.
Of course, teen anguish! How could I have forgotten? -whacks self- By the way, I'm a girl.

To be honest with you, I don't think my parents are that overprotective. They let me go out on the weekends, they don't really watch my grades or the people I hang out with.

What they do do is make my mom out to be the victim because she has asthma and had cancer. She seems to be always sick and telling us what to do, and complaining she's fat and that we have no money when she sits on the couch all day and doesn't have a real job.

They tell me that they think I'm a useless waste of money. They tell me that I'm an abomination against Christ (I am a Christian), they try and force themselves down my throat. I really can't stand this very much longer. They refuse to even admit that I have depression. Which my doctor and my psychiatrist say I do.

Not letting me grieve over the death of my friend was protective? Telling me to suck it up?

I think grieving isn't what your freind or anyone else would want you to do maybe they just wanted to pull you together before you did something stupid

My mom telling me that she wishes she'd never had me is protective?

by the sounds of things you probably hurt her feelings badly after all I don't think you have even thought about what seeing a child who they knew so well die would be like no wonder they wanted to keep you out of drugs

Wow, harsh words for someone talking about verbal abuse. I don't know if the OP has experience verbal abuse or not, but it's hardly purdent to run away at his age.
Maybe you should read some of the posts where he talks about what his parents say. And if you've ever suffered it, you know how much it pains you.

At 13 you should realize that you owe your parents a ton of loyalty.

If you want to express opinions they do not support while they support you, then you are an ingrate.

When you hit the 18 to 21 range and are a full citizen then you will have political power and the freedom to use it as you choose.

Right now your trying to convince yourself that the people who put thousandsd of dollars and hours into you actually owe you something. You have it all reversed, you owe them.

Apologize for having the lighter, explain to them that you are aware that the "day of silence" was offensive to them and refrain from supporting other people sexual choices until you can support yourself.

Keep your opinions, cherish your own choices but don't ask for your due if it doesn't exist yet, you are in their debt, act like it.

They refuse to even admit that I have depression. Which my doctor and my psychiatrist say I do.
That's reckless endangerment. They can go to prison for that.

Maybe you should read some of the posts where he talks about what his parents say. And if you've ever suffered it, you know how much it pains you.
I.
Am.
A.
Girl.

That is, if you're talking about me.

Have you ever suffered verbal abuse? If not, I recommend you shut up.

Hey hey Naliitr, cut the kid some slack! Just because hers may not be the worst problems in the world, they're still her problems however petty they may seem to you...

...running away permanently is definitely not the answer, not in this kind of situation.

*edited to 'her' not 'him; after reading above posts

At 13 you should realize that you owe your parents a ton of loyalty.

If you want to express opinions they do not support while they support you, then you are an ingrate.

When you hit the 18 to 21 range and are a full citizen then you will have political power and the freedom to use it as you choose.

Right now your trying to convince yourself that the people who put thousandsd of dollars and hours into you actually owe you something. You have it all reversed, you owe them.

Apologize for having the lighter, explain to them that you are aware that the "day of silence" was offensive to them and refrain from supporting other people sexual choices until you can support yourself.

Keep your opinions, cherish your own choices but don't ask for your due if it doesn't exist yet, you are in their debt, act like it.
Listen, how would you feel if someone was telling you that your religious and political views are fucking moronic, and because of it you are worthless? If this kids parents aren't letting her have her own views on religion and homosexuality, it IS like facism. She shouldn't keep quiet. *Prays to the anti ban gods for protection* You are fucking moronic if your telling anyone to shut up about their political or religious beliefs.

Of course, teen anguish! How could I have forgotten? -whacks self- By the way, I'm a girl.

To be honest with you, I don't think my parents are that overprotective. They let me go out on the weekends, they don't really watch my grades or the people I hang out with.

What they do do is make my mom out to be the victim because she has asthma and had cancer. She seems to be always sick and telling us what to do, and complaining she's fat and that we have no money when she sits on the couch all day and doesn't have a real job.

They tell me that they think I'm a useless waste of money. They tell me that I'm an abomination against Christ (I am a Christian), they try and force themselves down my throat. I really can't stand this very much longer. They refuse to even admit that I have depression. Which my doctor and my psychiatrist say I do.

There are only two choices here: stay, suffer, but keep a home and the opportunity for college (for example) - you have somewhere to study from and hopefully, a financial basis for you continuing school. alternatively, run away, sacrificing the above in exchange for being away from your parents.

You clearly feel neglected, but will this change if you run away? Think truly about what you would be sacrificing - would your friends' families, or religious organisations, pay your keep for that long? If you're not being physically abused, then what reason do you have to sacrifice so much to gain so little?

I.
Am.
A.
Girl.

That is, if you're talking about me.
Sorry.

At 13 you should realize that you owe your parents a ton of loyalty.

If you want to express opinions they do not support while they support you, then you are an ingrate.
Bollocks she is! She is a human being and we have both opinions and a guaranteed right to express them, nothing should endanger that right within reason and this is well within reason.

Everybody has disagreements with their parents in their teens about all manner of subjects. This isn't just you. This is normal. Stressful, infuriating and agonizing sometimes but normal.

But from what you've mentioned so far, I hear as much worry and concern for your welbeing and your future in these arguments as anything else. Your parents love you. Unconditionally it seems. You're a lucky kid. Probably doesn't feel like it right now. It might not feel like it for a while.

The best thing you can do is talk. When things go unsaid, these issues escalate drastically. It would be best if you could keep talking with your parents. If you can't, find someone else who will listen; A priest(doesn't matter if you're particularly relgious. A decent priest is a hell of a good listener.), a good friend and his parents, a school counselor, even a psychiatrist. All of these people can make good sounding boards for your problems with your family. You have to keep dialogue open.

At 13, running is full of obstacles, dangers and traps. Even if you're going somewhere you think is safe. I don't think that's the answer unless you're in physical danger fom your parents. And even then, you NEED to talk to someone! Talking is the solutionto your problems, not running.

There's no sin in disagreeing with your parents or in they not agreeing with you and tempers can run high when you're all frustrated, but the worst thing you all can do is stop communicating.

Maybe you should read some of the posts where he talks about what his parents say. And if you've ever suffered it, you know how much it pains you.

Don't tell me about verbal abuse. One of my old best friends ran away from her mother because she was being verbally abused. She lived with most of her friends for a while. You do NOT know the guilt and pain she went through by running, living with other people for free, and not knowing how to act. In the end, she moved away and went to live with her dad (her parents were divorced) even though she didn't want to move at all. She could not stay with friends for long; nobody can for free. She was lucky her dad wanted to take her in. If her parents had not been divorced, she would've had to move back in with her mother, and this was when she was 15 instead of 13.

Bollocks she is! She is a human being and we have both opinions and a guaranteed right to express them, nothing should endanger that right within reason and this is well within reason.
Yeah, read my post about that. The guy who is saying she's stupid/an ingrate for supporting her opinions is a fucking moron. *Prays to the anti-ban gods once again*

My god, I can't believe some of the advice I'm hearing on this thread! I thought I was the lunatic! :eek:

they don't sound too bad just run of the mill protective parents who have the same views on homosexuals, bisexuals and transgender that all 40-something’s have

actually they sound quite nice:)

My parents are in their 50's now, and they don't have right-wing views about sexual orientations. Or anything really.

My god, I can't believe some of the advice I'm hearing on this thread! I thought I was the lunatic! :eek:
Yeah, like that one guy telling her that she's an ingrate for not supporting her parents belief and should drop them. That's just fucking moronic. *Prays again*

My god, I can't believe some of the advice I'm hearing on this thread! I thought I was the lunatic! :eek:

No, you only claim to be one. We all know deep down inside, there is a logical sane person waiting to be released. ;)

At 13 you should realize that you owe your parents a ton of loyalty.

If you want to express opinions they do not support while they support you, then you are an ingrate.

Out of curiosity, are you a parent with a "disobedient" child who disagrees with you?

I think there's something called freedom of speech that exists. On paper, anyway.

Out of curiosity, are you a parent with a "disobedient" child who disagrees with you?

I think there's something called freedom of speech that exists. On paper, anyway.
Yeah, according to this fucking moron *prays some more* freedom of speech doesn't exist in the family unit.

I'm 13.
Based on what little information given in this thread, I would suggest that you don't run away. This is also largely due to your age.

However, it seems that you have contact with a psychiatrist, and as such I would advise that you take this matter up with him or her. That person should be a professional, one who would be much better suited at giving serious advise in this kind of a situation then a bunch of different people hanging out at NS General.

But I would seriously advise against listening too much to people advocating that you run away based solely on what info you've given in this thread.

Best of luck to you ;)

though it was years ago, I can sympathize. I do not encourage this, but let me tell you what I did. At 13, I decided to just go camping. Go, for just over 24 hours, and find a nice spot to pitch a tent. It is warm outside. After your night out, go home again. You may get grounded, but you (as a person) wuill feel much better as you had time to yourself and to breath. Remember, a person can ground you, but you still have your mind - noone can take that away

Im not telling you to do it, just sharing what I did

Yeah, according to this fucking moron *prays some more* freedom of speech doesn't exist in the family unit.

There's a shocking number of people (including my parents) who would actually agree with this moron.

because I participated in the Day of Silence.
Whats the day of silence?

Isnt that when you remember holocaust victims?

Or was it war veterans?

Listen, how would you feel if someone was telling you that your religious and political views are fucking moronic, and because of it you are worthless? If this kids parents aren't letting her have her own views on religion and homosexuality, it IS like facism. She shouldn't keep quiet. *Prays to the anti ban gods for protection* You are fucking moronic if your telling anyone to shut up about their political or religious beliefs.

the parents find this stuff offensive you can’t blame them they grew up on the same thing I’m betting they are nice reasonable people who have never encountered depression or certain aspects of sexuality as LG said talking is all that is needed

My sister ran away when she was 13. She turned out good.

But I say that anyone who runs away from just something so pathetic is a chicken shit coward.

You need to man the hell up kid. Running away is not going to solve your problem. It's only going to get you into worse problems.
Anyone whose telling you should run away is doing you a great disservice. What you need to do is freaking face your parents and tell them exactly how feel. Do it like a man, not a f ing wuss.
You and your parents need to have a real talk. If they say horrible things and then deny, record what they say and then when they deny it, play it back to them. They can't deny it then. Confront them. Don't run from them. Cowards run. Men stand for what they believe in.

If you believe what you say, then you will stand up for it, and not run away like a wuss.

No, you only claim to be one. We all know deep down inside, there is a logical sane person waiting to be released. ;)

I have him chained to the radiator. :)

There's a shocking number of people (including my parents) who would actually agree with this moron.
Is it just me or are a large number of people naive? Its not shocking at all, just destructuve to faith in humanity...

Remember, a person can ground you, but you still have your mind - noone can take that away

Im not telling you to do it, just sharing what I did
According to KKE, they can. KKE is such a fucking moron... *Prays more*

Whats the day of silence?

Isnt that when you remember holocaust victims?

Or was it war veterans?

I did the one about anti-abuse of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders.

Yeah, according to this fucking moron *prays some more* freedom of speech doesn't exist in the family unit.

It doesnt.

Parents pay for everything they do, and until you dont have to get support from them, they are your totalitarian dictators.

There are other places free speech doesnt apply to....ever been to school?

I have him chained to the radiator. :)

There's a radiator inside you? :eek: How much do you weight?

My sister ran away when she was 13. She turned out good.

But I say that anyone who runs away from just something so pathetic is a chicken shit coward.

You need to man the hell up kid. Running away is not going to solve your problem. It's only going to get you into worse problems.
Anyone whose telling you should run away is doing you a great disservice. What you need to do is freaking face your parents and tell them exactly how feel. Do it like a man, not a f ing wuss.
You and your parents need to have a real talk. If they say horrible things and then deny, record what they say and then when they deny it, play it back to them. They can't deny it then. Confront them. Don't run from them. Cowards run. Men stand for what they believe in.

If you believe what you say, then you will stand up for it, and not run away like a wuss.
You do realize this person is female? And if she confronts them about the verbal abuse, I have no doubt that it will escalate into physical abuse.

13's too young to run away, really. Your parents are obviously assholes, but you should wait it out until you graduate high school. As difficult as it may seem, there are ways to ease the pain, so to speak.

You can stop talking to them unless they initiate conversation. And when they do, make it a point to have very little to say. You can also stay in your room most of the time you're home. Of course, there's always the tricky route... That is, going for the jugular and outright threatening them to call CPS on them for their mental and (potential) physical abuse just because your views differ from theirs.

It sounds tough, but there's so much more you can do to them when you're 18 that you can't at this age. But hey, if you have it in you, go for the threat route. If they beat you because of it, call 911 and end it immediately.

I did the one about anti-abuse of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders.

OMG....they have a silence day dedicated to queers?!

How fucking lame is that.

Silence days are dedicated to tragic happenings or war veterans...not some kids who get bullied.

I agree with your parents and I'd smack my kid if he participated in that.

Running away isn't the answer at your age, unless you're in serious danger. If you can't talk to your parents, try talking to relatives or a friends parents. Maybe your parents might understand your point of view better if they hear it from another adult?

Are you from the UK? If so: 0800 1111. Childline. They're there for "children and young adults to talk about any problem". And their advice will probably be better than anything you'll find on this forum. If you're not from the UK, there will be other hotlines in your area to call for help.

I have no doubt that it will escalate into physical abuse.

What are you, Mrs. Cleo?

Anyway stop giving her bad advice...if she runs away from home at 13, it will be the worst mistake of her life.

It doesnt.

Parents pay for everything they do, and until you dont have to get support from them, they are your totalitarian dictators.

There are other places free speech doesnt apply to....ever been to school?
The government pays for all of our public services, including health care, welfare, public transportation, public schools, etc. So does that makes them totalitarian dictators? According to your way of thinking, it does. And that grants them the ability to take away our freedom of speech.

It doesnt.

Parents pay for everything they do, and until you dont have to get support from them, they are your totalitarian dictators.

There are other places free speech doesnt apply to....ever been to school?
The fact does not make it a just fact. In school we are allowed to express, in fact encouraged to, our opinions, politely and couthly. Stifling our opinions is stifling outr humanity, for fuck's sake!

Listen, how would you feel if someone was telling you that your religious and political views are fucking moronic, and because of it you are worthless? If this kids parents aren't letting her have her own views on religion and homosexuality, it IS like facism. She shouldn't keep quiet. *Prays to the anti ban gods for protection* You are fucking moronic if your telling anyone to shut up about their political or religious beliefs.
My parents did the same thing when I was about his age. I didn't run though, I just got back in their faces and called them morons and other stuff.

My biological dad hit me once, I made him feel the pain. He never hit me after that.

They yelled at me, I yelled back. They never yelled at me after that.

The kid needs to stand up for himself. Or herself. If it really is a her, then she will be way worse off running away.

What are you, Mrs. Cleo?

Anyway stop giving her bad advice...if she runs away from home at 13, it will be the worst mistake of her life.
No, but it's easily predictable. If her parents are this bad when she's simply supporting different beliefs than the parents beliefs, who knows what'll happen if she actually stands up for her beliefs, and fights back against her parents for thier verbal abuse?

OMG....they have a silence day dedicated to queers?!

How fucking lame is that.

Silence days are dedicated to tragic happenings or war veterans...not some kids who get bullied.

I agree with your parents and I'd smack my kid if he participated in that.

In our current society, gays have constantly been persecuted, cut off, bullied, lynched, mudered, executed for being gay, had their families and children removed from them and were also a large persecuted group during the holocaust. These are adults with their own lives, not whining emo kids you arrogant twunt.

My parents did the same thing when I was about his age. I didn't run though, I just got back in their faces and called them morons and other stuff.

My biological dad hit me once, I made him feel the pain. He never hit me after that.

They yelled at me, I yelled back. They never yelled at me after that.

The kid needs to stand up for himself. Or herself. If it really is a her, then she will be way worse off running away.

Good advice, but there's no telling what her parents might do in retaliation. Therein lies the problem.

You do realize this person is female? And if she confronts them about the verbal abuse, I have no doubt that it will escalate into physical abuse.

what maybe a slap tops "oh dear lord how terrible" also so what if she is a female what are you suggesting some kind of drunk orgy loving perverts in disguise as parents?

My parents did the same thing when I was about his age. I didn't run though, I just got back in their faces and called them morons and other stuff.

My biological dad hit me once, I made him feel the pain. He never hit me after that.

They yelled at me, I yelled back. They never yelled at me after that.

The kid needs to stand up for himself. Or herself. If it really is a her, then she will be way worse off running away.
If she yells at her parents, I doubt they will stop yelling at her. If she hits her parents, I doubt they will stop hitting her.

You do realize this person is female? And if she confronts them about the verbal abuse, I have no doubt that it will escalate into physical abuse.
You're giving serious (and dangerous) advice based on pure speculation and without knowing enough about the facts. I advise you to stop.

The government pays for all of our public services, including health care, welfare, public transportation, public schools, etc. So does that makes them totalitarian dictators? According to your way of thinking, it does. And that grants them the ability to take away our freedom of speech.

No, idiot...you pay for your health care, welfare, education and public transportation....its called taxation.

There's a radiator inside you? :eek: How much do you weight?

Of course there is! Doesn't everyone have one? Why do you think my sweetie snuggles with me at night? Warmth! :p

do you have any family members in the area?

You do realize this person is female? And if she confronts them about the verbal abuse, I have no doubt that it will escalate into physical abuse.

I assume your next recommendation is for her to cut herself for relieving the pain? You stay out of this, you're naught but more danger to her if she listens to you.

what maybe a slap tops "oh dear lord how terrible" also so what if she is a female what are you suggesting some kind of drunk orgy loving perverts in disguise as parents?
You do know that some parents do actually sexually abuse their kids right? It does happen. And serious physical violence too... the person most likely to kill you is someone in your immediate family unit.

Amarnaiy, check your telegram box.

what maybe a slap tops "oh dear lord how terrible" also so what if she is a female what are you suggesting some kind of drunk orgy loving perverts in disguise as parents?

-cough- I really dislike being called a guy. I had to tell the people I hang out with to stop calling me Sven because people kept thinking I was a VERY femenine boy.

The fact does not make it a just fact. In school we are allowed to express, in fact encouraged to, our opinions, politely and couthly. Stifling our opinions is stifling outr humanity, for fuck's sake!

You do not have freedom of speech in schools, regardless of if your asked to express your opinion.

What kind of school do you go to?

Of course there is! Doesn't everyone have one? Why do you think my sweetie snuggles with me at night? Warmth! :p

The Great Goofball has spoken! We must all have a radiator inside us. *checks to see where it is*...I don't see it. :(

You do know that some parents do actually sexually abuse their kids right? It does happen. And serious physical violence too... the person most likely to kill you is someone in your immediate family unit.
A supporter. Finally.

-cough- I really dislike being called a guy. I had to tell the people I hang out with to stop calling me Sven because people kept thinking I was a VERY femenine boy.

Maybe you have your looks to blame for that?

*does ninja roll and hides behind desk*

You do not have freedom of speech in schools, regardless of if your asked to express your opinion.

What kind of school do you go to?
A private one... in the UK, where its the same in public ones too.

N, I don't advocate running either, I just think fighting back is literally the worst of all non-self-harming options.

You do not have freedom of speech in schools, regardless of if your asked to express your opinion.

What kind of school do you go to?
Actually, you do. At least in my school.

If she yells at her parents, I doubt they will stop yelling at her. If she hits her parents, I doubt they will stop hitting her.

How do you know?

Be careful with the advice you're giving. Unless you know the entire situation from both her and her parents point of view, your advice could be dangerous, and she might end up worse off. Hence I recommended she call a helpline, as theres people on the other end trained to deal with these kind of situations.

You do realize this person is female? And if she confronts them about the verbal abuse, I have no doubt that it will escalate into physical abuse.
It doesn't matter if she is female. She needs to f ing stand up for herself. If she doesn't she is a coward. And if it goes to physical abuse she needs to report it.

She either needs to talk to a school counselor or see a pastor who can help her. Most churches have groups that help people in her situation. So do school districts. In fact if she went to city hall she would find that the city has a program too.

There is always something she can do. Running away is never the answer. There are sexual predators whose main thing in life is preying on young runaway girls. And the boyfriends she ends up with will be the abusive kind who do phyically abuse and denigrate her and humiliate her in front of her friends and the world. The only jobs she'll be able to get are either as a prostitute where her customers probably abuse her or as waitress in some shitty cafe where the customers sexually harrass her constantly. Do you really want to set her up for failure?

Actually, you do. At least in my school.

Sigh, We. Do. Not. Have. Freedom. Of. Speech. In. School.

How can you think otherwise?

A private one... in the UK, where its the same in public ones too.

Well I dont know how your schools are there, but here we do not have freedom of speech.

You do not have freedom of speech in schools, regardless of if your asked to express your opinion.

What kind of school do you go to?

Really? I never would have guessed. Because my school definately supports freedom of speech. And I am in America... So I don't know where YOU are.

A private one... in the UK, where its the same in public ones too.

N, I don't advocate running either, I just think fighting back is literally the worst of all non-self-harming options.

Heh...funny. I don't thing Nat here thinks much of "non-self-hamring".

-cough- I really dislike being called a guy. I had to tell the people I hang out with to stop calling me Sven because people kept thinking I was a VERY femenine boy.

I suspect that might change soon. :p

I hope for your sake you're not in the UK

In the UK, the police cannot legally get a warrant to enter and search a house and rescue a child if they suspect the child is undergoing abuse.

However, the RSPCA (Royal Society for the Protection of Animals) can get a full search warrant if there are ANIMALS being abused!

Our country is seriously screwed up...

Really? I never would have guessed. Because my school definately supports freedom of speech. And I am in America... So I don't know where YOU are.

Technically, in school, prison, and military (things like that) free speech is somewhat restricted.

Really? I never would have guessed. Because my school definately supports freedom of speech. And I am in America... So I don't know where YOU are.

Yes, they can and usually do support it.

However, teachers are your dicators...thats how it is.

Why do you think teachers can silence you, write you up for talking, kick you out simply for "giving your opinon".

Thats not freedom of speech.

The Great Goofball has spoken! We must all have a radiator inside us. *checks to see where it is*...I don't see it. :(

Youy opened yourself up?!? :eek:

You do know that some parents do actually sexually abuse their kids right? It does happen. And serious physical violence too... the person most likely to kill you is someone in your immediate family unit.

yeah because that happens ever 5 minuets :rolleyes:

it seems her parents love her I don't even have kids yet even I know my parents would never kill me much less hurt me for anything other than the slap getting pissed

Technically, in school, prison, and military (things like that) free speech is somewhat restricted.

Oh God, finally someone with some sense.

I dont understand how they see otherwise.

Youy opened yourself up?!? :eek:

:D

Sigh, We. Do. Not. Have. Freedom. Of. Speech. In. School.

How can you think otherwise?



Well I dont know how your schools are there, but here we do not have freedom of speech.
FUCKING MORON. LISTEN TO ME! WE DO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN SCHOOLS! *Prays to anti-ban gods* If we don't how is it possible that I am freely able to declare the fact that I am communist in my history class, and freely debate with my communist beliefs in my history class? Fucking moron...

Oh God, finally someone with some sense.

I dont understand how they see otherwise.

Really, free speech has a lot of restrictions; time, place, and manner; fighting words; obscenity; etc.

FUCKING MORON. LISTEN TO ME! WE DO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN SCHOOLS! *Prays to anti-ban gods* If we don't how is it possible that I am freely able to declare the fact that I am communist in my history class, and freely debate with my communist beliefs in my history class? Fucking moron...

...As much as I hate to agree with Atty, he's right on this one. But you both need to cool it with the ad hominem attacks.

Listen, how would you feel if someone was telling you that your religious and political views are fucking moronic, and because of it you are worthless? If this kids parents aren't letting her have her own views on religion and homosexuality, it IS like facism. She shouldn't keep quiet. *Prays to the anti ban gods for protection* You are fucking moronic if your telling anyone to shut up about their political or religious beliefs.

It is reasonable to tell a child to shut up about political positions, since the child is not old enough to have valid political opinions.

The fact that you resort to profanity reveals that you understand that my opinion is valid and correct. Thank you for your emotional, profane and unreasonable response to a simple truth you already knew.

FUCKING MORON. LISTEN TO ME! WE DO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN SCHOOLS! *Prays to anti-ban gods* If we don't how is it possible that I am freely able to declare the fact that I am communist in my history class, and freely debate with my communist beliefs in my history class? Fucking moron...

Because they allow it. If the school board decided talking about Communism was disruptive, they could ban it and it wouldn't be unconstitutional.

Oh God, finally someone with some sense.

I dont understand how they see otherwise.

Because schools claim to give you freedom of speech and has the facade of it. It takes some VERY radical opinions to get kicked out of classes, but it happens. It just depends on what your school/teachers can tolerate, I guess. My friend got kicked out of her classes because she argued that god does not exist, but this was in a religions private school...

Hence I recommended she call a helpline, as theres people on the other end trained to deal with these kind of situations.
I take Psych classes online. In cases like this, people will say something like "find someone to talk to". But they're just saying that so they don't lose thier jobs. The best thing to do is run away from the abuse, not try to confront it. It may sound cowardly, but the cowards are the ones who live.

FUCKING MORON. LISTEN TO ME! WE DO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN SCHOOLS! *Prays to anti-ban gods* If we don't how is it possible that I am freely able to declare the fact that I am communist in my history class, and freely debate with my communist beliefs in my history class? Fucking moron...

Hey, kiddy...pipe down. Its an internet forum, getting loud still reads the same as talking normal in text.

Also, hurling curses at me doesnt show your point, only your age.

Let say you and your little prepubescent pinkos were talking about your naive idealogy, and you teacher said, shut up, sit down, I want to talk.

You would have to.

Thats not freedom of speech.

It is reasonable to tell a child to shut up about political positions, since the child is not old enough to have valid political opinions.

The fact that you resort to profanity reveals that you understand that my opinion is valid and correct. Thank you for your emotional, profane and unreasonable response to a simple truth you already knew.
Oh really? So because I'm a kid, it means I'm so stupid that I can't have a good political position. Go to hell, you fucking moron. And no, I usually never go to these levels of profanity, but you and many of the people in this thread are being far too moronic.

Youy opened yourself up?!? :eek:

No...I just don't see it...:(

I take Psych classes online. In cases like this, people will say something like "find someone to talk to". But they're just saying that so they don't lose thier jobs. The best thing to do is run away from the abuse, not try to confront it. It may sound cowardly, but the cowards are the ones who live.
Oh my apologies then, you're obviously so much more qualified to help than someone whos...qualified to help.:rolleyes:

It is reasonable to tell a child to shut up about political positions, since the child is not old enough to have valid political opinions.

The fact that you resort to profanity reveals that you understand that my opinion is valid and correct. Thank you for your emotional, profane and unreasonable response to a simple truth you already knew.
Bollocks we are. I', 16, I've been politically aware for well over 3 years... I was marching against Iraq, aware of the consequences on 9/11, etc. So saying we aren't able to have political opinions is utter bull.

It is reasonable to tell a child to shut up about political positions, since the child is not old enough to have valid political opinions.

Telling your kids to "shut up" about political views is okay, yeah, but serious verbal abuse is not, no matter what anyone says. I don't know if this is exactly what's happening, but with the information I've read, it sounds a lot like it.

I take Psych classes online. In cases like this, people will say something like "find someone to talk to". But they're just saying that so they don't lose thier jobs. The best thing to do is run away from the abuse, not try to confront it. It may sound cowardly, but the cowards are the ones who live.

Technically, the best is find a way to make it stop, be that confronting or fleeing. Hence the phrase "fight-or-flight". In this case, she's 13 years old. Running away isn't that good of an idea, there's better options.

Good advice, but there's no telling what her parents might do in retaliation. Therein lies the problem.
Truely that is a problem. If she had other family she could turn to that would help her.

I don't like the idea of people telling her to run and, I don't know why, but I feel very very suspicious of Nalitr's intentions in this matter. The only people I've seen encouraging young girls to run away from home were bad guys seeking to take advantage of them.
I'm not saying that Nalitr is one. But his comments make it feel like it. I'm getting bad vibes from that guy.

Do you know what I mean?

FUCKING MORON. LISTEN TO ME! WE DO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN SCHOOLS! *Prays to anti-ban gods* If we don't how is it possible that I am freely able to declare the fact that I am communist in my history class, and freely debate with my communist beliefs in my history class? Fucking moron...

Claim yourself as a fascist or a Nazi and see what would happen.

If we're doing personal experiences, here's my 2 pence:

I was seriously physically and mentally abused by my dad and mother respectively for 12 years since I was 6, life (and sanity) endangered on several occasions that even brought the police round (though they're useless - recommending the parents get in touch with counsellors - yeah right). I considered a few times running away, but the reality was always there, that I really had nowhere to go, where I could be safe. I suffered them until I was eighteen. I hated my situation, but the choice of running away was so dismal, in reality.

Having stayed, they helped me organise my college fees. They didn't contribute, but having a home allowed me to apply for a loan. I am now in my first year of university, and have met the most wonderful guy in the world :) who really cares for me. He has supported me through a bout of depression over my course choice, and helped me come to the hard decision of dropping out to do a different course.

Coming from a background where top grades in exams "isn't good enough", this annoyed my parents no end, more so when they found I am choosing not to apply to the universities of their choice. Right now, I am suffering my mother on MSN, yelling at me and calling me "a failure", and criticising me in every way possible, accusing me of the most awful things. She has been criticising me for four months now, since she heard I was depressed.

According to her, depression doesn't exist. She says, "I don't have time to be depressed". She asserts depression is for lazy people; she is a saint, a hardworking woman, and only I, a lazy failure, can "have time" for depression. The fact I was only depressed when I was working (on a course that I hated), must have sent signals, but this woman is of selective memory so she can whine and put me down, in order to validate her life (which she hates).

When I'm not around, she yells about how I'm a failure, how I am so stupid, thank God God didn't bless me with brains, with beauty; how I will never get a job, how everyone hates me, how I have no friends, how I am going to Hell.

I can understand verbal abuse, and still experience it. But after sticking through, I have the ability to get rid of her. I can shut down MSN, if I want. Running away would have thrown me into far more danger, of abuses far worse than being beaten, or being oppressed. I made the right choice for me, in my situation. I stuck through, and "learnt" not to voice my opinions. I learnt to tread carefully throughout my teenage years, while I was around them.

At least now, I can get a good job, that can move me far away from them one day, so that I may have the fortune to never see them again. Because they haven't changed a bit.

In restrospect, I should have sought child welfare or whatever, because I am still deeply traumatised by my childhood (and not only when it's time for PMS!)... so if you're beaten, seek outside help (outside the police department, they were no good even when I was visibly bleeding, and they refused to incriminate my father)... welfare support is best, I think.

If not, you can stick it through. You're always going to get verbal abusers. What I do now is verbally abuse back, at them. I realise this may not be "Christian", but their weapon is their weakness. And I don't wish to protect the emotional equilibrium of people seeking to damage mine.

Or maybe I'm just bitter?


Sorry for the long post. By the time this is posted, the issue has probably been long sorted.

There is always something she can do. Running away is never the answer. There are sexual predators whose main thing in life is preying on young runaway girls. And the boyfriends she ends up with will be the abusive kind who do phyically abuse and denigrate her and humiliate her in front of her friends and the world. The only jobs she'll be able to get are either as a prostitute where her customers probably abuse her or as waitress in some shitty cafe where the customers sexually harrass her constantly. Do you really want to set her up for failure?

The girl has plenty of options - however there are times when many or most options are not available. what if she live 50 miles from the nearest city? That pretty much ends everything but the hotline. as crappy as this may sound. A guidence councelor at school would be a good option, if she is honest with him/her. If she lives in the city, then running away would be the LAST thing I would recommend, but if she is just looking to get away for a while, arrange a week with some friends, pastor, or someone she can talk to and trust. (my problem was I just needed to get away). Perhaps, if she doesnt feel she can talk about her problems or defend her point of view at her age, maybe she should just keep a journal or diary. Those work wonders in some strange way. allows her to vent non-violently. I would highly suggest not hitting (back) her parents if they hit her. Sad as it may be, sometimes (at that age) you just need to face the fact it is your parents way or the highway. From what I have read with all these posts, she just wants here voice heard, and is tired of being supressed. So then speak up... but maybe not to your parents.

No matter what her future is in her hands. Personally I think she has tons of courage, she wants to speak her mind, dispite its contraversial nature. Doesnt get better than that. She can decide her future, and this, (I highly doubt) will determine what path she follows (as shown above).

My recommendation to the girl, stand proud, but dont instigate those who raise you (not yet anyway)

Bollocks we are. I', 16, I've been politically aware for well over 3 years... I was marching against Iraq, aware of the consequences on 9/11, etc. So saying we aren't able to have political opinions is utter bull.
Thank you very much. I've been politically aware since I was in 5th grade. Of course, I was politcally stupid back then. But now I am considerably politcally smart.

Oh really? So because I'm a kid, it means I'm so stupid that I can't have a good political position. Go to hell, you fucking moron. And no, I usually never go to these levels of profanity, but you and many of the people in this thread are being far too moronic.

*Opens Wiki*

*Types in word*

*sends link to Naliitr*

You need this more than I do. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline)

Thank you very much. I've been politically aware since I was in 5th grade. Of course, I was politcally stupid back then. But now I am considerably politcally smart.

...Wasn't that like...three years ago?

You do realize this person is female? And if she confronts them about the verbal abuse, I have no doubt that it will escalate into physical abuse.
Natlir could you please tell me what reason you have to believe this or is it just one of the many melodramatic things you have said this thread that have had no real bearing on reality.

*Opens Wiki*

*Types in word*

*sends link to Naliitr*

You need this more than I do. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline)
I'm trying my best to be calm. But when someone says because I'm a kid I'm too politcally moronic to have a valid opinion, or if someone is telling a 13 year old girl to stand up to her abusive parents, which will without a doubt in my mind lead to more abuse, my anger managment issues come up. I need to get off NS...

Truely that is a problem. If she had other family she could turn to that would help her.

I don't like the idea of people telling her to run and, I don't know why, but I feel very very suspicious of Nalitr's intentions in this matter. The only people I've seen encouraging young girls to run away from home were bad guys seeking to take advantage of them.
I'm not saying that Nalitr is one. But his comments make it feel like it. I'm getting bad vibes from that guy.

Do you know what I mean?

I think it has more than just a little to do with him slicing himself...

...Though his intentions aren't ill. He's just giving bad advice without really knowing he's doing so.

Amarnaiy why are you still online the clear middle ground is go to a spiritual centre and talk it through (I suggest a Buddhist temple because my one has a candy stash :D )

or somewhere else where you know you can talk this through

...Wasn't that like...three years ago?
Yeah? And? A lot can change in three years.

Yes, they can and usually do support it.

However, teachers are your dicators...thats how it is.

Why do you think teachers can silence you, write you up for talking, kick you out simply for "giving your opinon".

Thats not freedom of speech.
Making the claim that public schools do not allow free speech implies that there are topics that are restricted within the schools that are not restricted elsewhere in the country.

If you are talking while your teacher is talking, of course you will be punished for disrupting the classroom. That is not the same thing as saying, "I am Muslim" or "Abortion should be criminalized" or any other kind of opinion in a civil discussion. If your teachers are punishing you for making these kinds of statements, then they are abusing their authority.

Amarnaiy why are you still online the clear middle ground is go to a spiritual centre and talk it through (I suggest a Buddhist temple because my one has a candy stash :D )

or somewhere else where you know you can talk this through

Buddhist temple.

Candy stash?

I'm there!

*Opens Wiki*

*Types in word*

*sends link to Naliitr*

You need this more than I do. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline)

If you're actually far more mature than Naliitr, please prove this by refraining from provoking, winding up, and getting him even more aggravated and worked up than he is already. What is your aim?

I'm trying my best to be calm. But when someone says because I'm a kid I'm too politcally moronic to have a valid opinion,

Parents and school systems are allowed to do this. Have fun embracing reality.

I need to get off NS...

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:rolleyes:

Natlir could you please tell me what reason you have to believe this or is it just one of the many melodramatic things you have said this thread that have had no real bearing on reality.
If you have any logic in your mind, it would be obvious that doing something to upset already abusive parents will only result in worse and further abuse.

If you're actually far more mature than Naliitr, please prove this by refraining from provoking, winding up, and getting him even more aggravated and worked up than he is already. What is your aim?

He always does this in debates. Don't let it bother you.

I'm trying my best to be calm. But when someone says because I'm a kid I'm too politcally moronic to have a valid opinion, or if someone is telling a 13 year old girl to stand up to her abusive parents, which will without a doubt in my mind lead to more abuse, my anger managment issues come up. I need to get off NS...

5 bucks says he cuts himself after he gets off.

Parents and school systems are allowed to do this. Have fun embracing reality.
While I may not be 18 and be a full American citizen, I do believe that the first amendment still applies to me. So if my parents or school systems restrict my freedom of opinion, that is a gross violation of the first amendment.

If she yells at her parents, I doubt they will stop yelling at her. If she hits her parents, I doubt they will stop hitting her.
Running away isn't going to help her. She needs to defend herself.

Bollocks we are. I', 16, I've been politically aware for well over 3 years... I was marching against Iraq, aware of the consequences on 9/11, etc. So saying we aren't able to have political opinions is utter bull.

I stated that a child of 13 was not old enough to have valid political opinion.

You ignored it completely and tried to slam me for something I didn't say. Based on this kind of error, it's a safe bet to say you just revealed that you aren't capable of valid, resonable or experienced political opinions.

Maybe some day, when you want to deal with reality, you will open up to it but now you live in your own head and weakly seek the comfort of like thinking people. There is a protection to be found in groups, enjoy your protection from reality.

5 bucks says he cuts himself after he gets off.

Dina, that wasn't very nice...

Running away isn't going to help her. She needs to defend herself.
What did I say in the quote in the post I'm quoting? If she does defend herself, it will obviouslly lead to worse and further abuse.

Making the claim that public schools do not allow free speech implies that there are topics that are restricted within the schools that are not restricted elsewhere in the country.

If you are talking while your teacher is talking, of course you will be punished for disrupting the classroom. That is not the same thing as saying, "I am Muslim" or "Abortion should be criminalized" or any other kind of opinion in a civil discussion. If your teachers are punishing you for making these kinds of statements, then they are abusing their authority.

Next time your in class...or even more so history class.

Walk in front of the class.

Stare at the teacher in the eye, then turn to the class and tell them. I am a Nazi, I beleive that the systematic extermination of the Jews (if it had actually happend) was the right thing to do because it was nessecary for the purity of the Aryan race.

Tell the class Jews are filthy ticks, infecting humanity...ect.

I dont need to go on because by this, everyone will have recovered from the shock, then kicked you out of class....and THEN you would have gotten in trouble.

He always does this in debates. Don't let it bother you.

Really, they're both always like this. In this case, Atty just happens to be right about the speech in schools, but that's it. I've conformation that our star (the OP) isn't paying Rit here any mind, so I can just watch them and think it funny.

1. Talk to a professional
2. Do as someone else said, and limit what you say around them. Your thoughts will never get you into trouble, only your actions will.
3. Find a family member (grandparent, uncle/aunt, etc) who might take you in.3
4. You're probably a bit too young for this, but if you can stick it out for a while, emancipation might be a good idea.
5. SERIOUSLY. Contact a professional. If they don't help, contact another one. Don't stop until you get help. Alright? Good luck.

And side note: Freedom of Speech is a crock. You do not have free speech in many places, including school, the military and at home. I'm sorry, but you don't. AND there is something many people forget about. Freedom of Speech is guaranteed, but slander and the like is not.

I stated that a child of 13 was not old enough to have valid political opinion.

You ignored it completely and tried to slam me for something I didn't say. Based on this kind of error, it's a safe bet to say you just revealed that you aren't capable of valid, resonable or experienced political opinions.

Maybe some day, when you want to deal with reality, you will open up to it but now you live in your own head and weakly seek the comfort of like thinking people. There is a protection to be found in groups, enjoy your protection from reality.
Listen moron. I am 13, and am incredibly politically active, incredibly politically aware, and incredibly politically smart. By saying that, you are insulting me and making a completely moronic statement.

Dina, that wasn't very nice...

Eh...Perhaps, but it's still a good bet. I was more worried about Amarnaiy previously, but I think the trouble has passed now. Time to get the popcorn.

If you're actually far more mature than Naliitr, please prove this by refraining from provoking, winding up, and getting him even more aggravated and worked up than he is already. What is your aim?

Wait wait wait wait wait...who said anything about maturity?

I'm just realistic, and know that you do not have freedom of speech in schools and under the dictatorial system of the family household.

As for pissing him off, I'm just having a little fun. :p

At 13 you should realize that you owe your parents a ton of loyalty.

If you want to express opinions they do not support while they support you, then you are an ingrate.

When you hit the 18 to 21 range and are a full citizen then you will have political power and the freedom to use it as you choose.

Right now your trying to convince yourself that the people who put thousandsd of dollars and hours into you actually owe you something. You have it all reversed, you owe them.

Apologize for having the lighter, explain to them that you are aware that the "day of silence" was offensive to them and refrain from supporting other people sexual choices until you can support yourself.

Keep your opinions, cherish your own choices but don't ask for your due if it doesn't exist yet, you are in their debt, act like it.

Loyalty doesn't include being a yes-person for your parents opinions. Them paying for your stuff doesn't give you any sort of duty to agree with them. Any decent parent should be able to accept that their children will hold different values then them, and that it's a normal part of development.

Attacking a child for it is abuse and is wrong.

Next time your in class...or even more so history class.

Walk in front of the class.

Stare at the teacher in the eye, then turn to the class and tell them. I am a Nazi, I beleive that the systematic extermination of the Jews (if it had actually happend) was the right thing to do because it was nessecary for the purity of the Aryan race.

Tell the class Jews are filthy ticks, infecting humanity...ect.

I dont need to go on because by this, everyone will have recovered from the shock, then kicked you out of class....and THEN you would have gotten in trouble.
You would get in trouble for that because you are interupting the teaching process. If you are having a debate qualified by the teacher, you can go ahead and say "As my view point as a Nazi, I must say..." and you will not get in trouble.

OMG....they have a silence day dedicated to queers?!

How fucking lame is that.

Silence days are dedicated to tragic happenings or war veterans...not some kids who get bullied.

I agree with your parents and I'd smack my kid if he participated in that.

It's an attempt to draw attention to hatred, to make people more sensitive to it. It's an effort to discourage something currently happening, not to commerate a past tragedy.

See: http://www.dayofsilence.org/

Sigh, We. Do. Not. Have. Freedom. Of. Speech. In. School.

Not to the same degree as outside of it, no, but students most definitely do have free speech rights. See Tinker v. Des Moines.

While I may not be 18 and be a full American citizen, I do believe that the first amendment still applies to me. So if my parents or school systems restrict my freedom of opinion, that is a gross violation of the first amendment.

Nope. completely constitutional for schools, prison, and the military to restrict your freedom of speech if they feel your speech will disrupt the mission of the institution.

He always does this in debates. Don't let it bother you.

Oh lighten up...its, oh, so much fun picking on prepubescent pinkos.

If you have any logic in your mind, it would be obvious that doing something to upset already abusive parents will only result in worse and further abuse.

I am of the opinion that you need a cold shower.

What did I say in the quote in the post I'm quoting? If she does defend herself, it will obviouslly lead to worse and further abuse.

How? If she speaks to her parents calmly and explains her point, how is that going to lead to "further abuse"? Her parents are also human, not monsters. They can reason and understand like any other human being. The key point here is she needs an argument, and send the message to her parents without raising her voice or baiting her parents to be angry. I think a letter would work quite well. That way she can think about what she wants to say, have time to ponder the words so they won't be rash, and no emotions, especially anger, will be involved in the message. Also, her parents can read it without her there, so they have time to think clearly without her presence.

*shudders*

I think I'll leave you guys to it - time to find myself a goofballs style radiator...mmmmm, cuddly

ps - if you have a kid and you know the kid is being abused then don't be scared to run. It could sav eboth your lives. Certainly did ours...

'Night all

You would get in trouble for that because you are interupting the teaching process. If you are having a debate qualified by the teacher, you can go ahead and say "As my view point as a Nazi, I must say..." and you will not get in trouble.

You can if the teacher decides it's disruptive. There's nothing protecting you during the debate but the school officials good graces.

Loyalty doesn't include being a yes-person for your parents opinions. Them paying for your stuff doesn't give you any sort of duty to agree with them. Any decent parent should be able to accept that their children will hold different values then them, and that it's a normal part of development.

Attacking a child for it is abuse and is wrong.

True. Cynically, I think quite a few parents have kids for that very reason.

Really, they're both always like this. In this case, Atty just happens to be right about the speech in schools, but that's it. I've conformation that our star (the OP) isn't paying Rit here any mind, so I can just watch them and think it funny.

I'd laugh, but I'm too busy rolling my eyes at the whole thing. I hope I won't have to get corrective surgery. :p

You would get in trouble for that because you are interupting the teaching process. If you are having a debate qualified by the teacher, you can go ahead and say "As my view point as a Nazi, I must say..." and you will not get in trouble.

Well, sure, if your teachers Ernst Zundel.

Eh...Perhaps, but it's still a good bet. I was more worried about Amarnaiy previously, but I think the trouble has passed now. Time to get the popcorn.

Yeah, but don't make cutting jokes. It's not something to joke about, even though the problem's been tainted by emos.

To be entirely honest, I did not read the entirety of this thread. And as I can guess something meaning "n00b" is going to show up by name since this is my first post, it may well be ignored. However, as always, I'll put in my two cents.

Having come from a household where verbal abuse was the norm (my mother had cancer before she died and the pain + the medication really messed her up inside) . . . I do know what it is like to deal with a parent like that. And she did tell me, just as yours did, when a friend died to basically suck it up and move on. And simply running away is going to only add fuel to the fire. If you're found, your parents could press charges against you to "teach you a lesson" or send you to boot camp or any such thing. And trust me, it's not easy to hide when you're a 13-year-old runaway.

Not being in the home, I don't know to what extent this abuse is. However - you do not want to sacrifice your education just to run away. If you intend on attending school while living with friends or other family, it will only be a matter of until the next school day that you will be returned to your parents' custody.

If it is truly as severe as you're making it out to be (you must understand my skepticism because of your age - although I too was once a well-informed 13 year old when it came to matters of politics and academics; I was also predisposed to bouts of teen angst and hormonal fits) then I suggest you speak with a school counselor and be perfectly honest with them about what's going on. They may end up getting Children's Services involved, which can be a huge mess.

I was in almost the same situation when I was 13. I didn't understand that it was the cancer/pain/pills making my mom what she was. Though that's not really an excuse, it is an insight. And she did hit me a few undeserved times. Even after I left for college, before she died, she would send me angry letters or call me on the phone to lecture me about things - then the next day she'd be fine. But I thought I'd run away when I was 14, and I had friends and family who would take me in . . . One day I tried it and within about an hour I was in a cop car headed home. A week later I was sitting in court in front of a judge on "unruly child" charges or something like that. I spent the whole summer putting in about 100 hours of community service. And I was ahead of myself in school, too - I was a sophomore about to be a junior the next fall. Finally I realized that I should just stick it out through those last years for the sake of education - because the situation wasn't changing, CS didn't think it was that big of a deal . . . etc.

Once I got my driver's license, though, I got pretty good at lying about where I was/who I was with . . . though curfews were strict and such.

If CS/counselors do not feel that your situation requires intervention . . . you will have to suck it up and continue living with your parents until you graduate (try graduating early . . . ) or turn 18.

Best of luck to you.

It's an attempt to draw attention to hatred, to make people more sensitive to it. It's an effort to discourage something currently happening, not to commerate a past tragedy.

And what exactly, is happening?

Not to the same degree as outside of it, no, but students most definitely do have free speech rights. See Tinker v. Des Moines.[/QUOTE]

Then its not freedom of speech if its not exactly whats called freedom of speech in the constitution.

Her parents are also human, not monsters.
That's not the message I'm getting from her.

Nope. completely constitutional for schools, prison, and the military to restrict your freedom of speech if they feel your speech will disrupt the mission of the institution.

Convenient, isn't it?

I'd laugh, but I'm too busy rolling my eyes at the whole thing. I hope I won't have to get corrective surgery. :p

Heh...Eye surgeons will be rich after this episode. And orthodontists replacing braces popped off by popcorn kernels. Want some?

Next time your in class...or even more so history class.

Walk in front of the class.

Stare at the teacher in the eye, then turn to the class and tell them. I am a Nazi, I beleive that the systematic extermination of the Jews (if it had actually happend) was the right thing to do because it was nessecary for the purity of the Aryan race.

Tell the class Jews are filthy ticks, infecting humanity...ect.

I dont need to go on because by this, everyone will have recovered from the shock, then kicked you out of class....and THEN you would have gotten in trouble.

God, if I did that, I would have been shot on the spot Growing up in South carolina, im sure SOMEONE had a gun with them at school!

Dont know where you live, but if you live in the south, (or possibly bible belt) watch out. In a foreign country, expect a good paddling

I hope for your sake you're not in the UK

In the UK, the police cannot legally get a warrant to enter and search a house and rescue a child if they suspect the child is undergoing abuse.

However, the RSPCA (Royal Society for the Protection of Animals) can get a full search warrant if there are ANIMALS being abused!

Our country is seriously screwed up...
In most of the United States, the Department of Child Services has the right to conduct on site inspections and check ups in cases of alleged child abuse. If she has any kinds of marks on her or says they yell at her, you can bet they'll be asking lots questions and doing a lot looking around. They know how to spot a kid who has been subjected to verbal abuse. That's something you can't hide from them.

I am of the opinion that you need a cold shower.

You, madam, have proven yourself capable of logical thoughts at the age of 13. I give my respect to you. *raises top hat in salut*

Next time your in class...or even more so history class.

Walk in front of the class.

Stare at the teacher in the eye, then turn to the class and tell them. I am a Nazi, I beleive that the systematic extermination of the Jews (if it had actually happend) was the right thing to do because it was nessecary for the purity of the Aryan race.

Tell the class Jews are filthy ticks, infecting humanity...ect.

I dont need to go on because by this, everyone will have recovered from the shock, then kicked you out of class....and THEN you would have gotten in trouble.

You have tried this and have gotten kicked out of class as a result I assume?

You seem to lack an understanding of how the limits to free speech are imposed. Let's say you (or I) do the above senario. Because Nazism is a repulsive subject and the teacher is no doubt shocked at your assertion, you will most likely get punished. Then you turn around and sue the school for violation of the First Amendment. The school must then prove that they had a valid EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE for such censorship and that it was not intended to silence a viewpoint that they simply found unpopular. This was established by the Supreme Court decision of Hazelwood School District vs. Kuhlemeir. If the court follows that precedent, you will win the lawsuit.

While I may not be 18 and be a full American citizen, I do believe that the first amendment still applies to me. So if my parents or school systems restrict my freedom of opinion, that is a gross violation of the first amendment.

The law says otherwise, it says you are not and your parents are responsible for your behavior not you.

You are not a full citizen.

You are a ward of your parents.

If you choose not to submit to them the state can take you and make you submit to them. It happens all the time, just go to poorer areas and watch children being taken from the homes of parents who do not take responsibility for them. We finance an entire branch of welfare for this at great expense.

Heh...Eye surgeons will be rich after this episode. And orthodontists replacing braces popped off by popcorn kernels. Want some?

Nah. Too busy gritting my teeth in tandem with the eye rolling (that, and popcorn bits get in my cavities and cause extreme pain).

If I didn't have to type, I'd also be rubbing my chest!

Nope. completely constitutional for schools, prison, and the military to restrict your freedom of speech if they feel your speech will disrupt the mission of the institution.
Well, in my history class "the mission of the institution" is usually to debate. So if the history teacher disrupts that process, then it's kind of like screwing your opinion about the freedom of speech.

If you have any logic in your mind, it would be obvious that doing something to upset already abusive parents will only result in worse and further abuse.
You have no idea what you are talking about. All we have is a couple of examples of verbal abuse, for all we know that could have been the only abuse she has ever suffered. It probably isnt but the fact she brings them up probaby meants they are the most extreme. I think she should talk to them or if she is too scared to talk to them, try and get outside help. Running away is a risky thing to do espeially when you are 13 and advising someone to do so especially when you do not know the fact is a foolish and wrong thing to do.
To, the OP, I hope you can sort things out. Take time to think things through and please get some help from people you can trust, not randoms from a internet forum. Dont listen to ppl like Natlir and Whitter you are telling you to take extreme action.

I applaud you for seeking help from this, but at the same time, this is a place where people play games (its what we are here for). I DONT want to see NationStates on the Nightly news because some kid said something about abuse, and was given the wrong idea, and it all went bad.

Yeah, but don't make cutting jokes. It's not something to joke about, even though the problem's been tainted by emos.

If it's not, why don't you try telling him that it's a problem? He's made a topic, NS has been over this.

Convenient, isn't it?

Actually, yeah. They have to somehow support that it's disruptive if it gets taken to court. That's why Tinker won, but Fraserdidn't.

Well, in my history class "the mission of the institution" is usually to debate. So if the history teacher disrupts that process, then it's kind of like screwing your opinion about the freedom of speech.

No, the "mission of the institution" is to spread nationalist propaganda.

The law says otherwise, it says you are not and your parents are responsible for your behavior not you.

You are not a full citizen.

You are a ward of your parents.

If you choose not to submit to them the state can take you and make you submit to them. It happens all the time, just go to poorer areas and watch children being taken from the homes of parents who do not take responsibility for them. We finance an entire branch of welfare for this at great expense.
I never said I was a full citizen. I said I am not 18 and a full citizen, which mean I am both not 18 and not a full citizen.

I need severe help. My parents have seemingly decided that I'm an abomination because I support homosexuals, bisexuals and transgenders because I participated in the Day of Silence. They also have decided I'm a druggie because I have (had) a lighter.

This seems to be the final straw for me. They say horrible things, then act like it doesn't happen.

I want to run away. I know people who would let me stay with them and not make my parents come and get me. Is this wise? I have the money...
If you do, you'll regret it. The differences with your parents that seem so very importand right now will seem like shortsightedness later.

What did I say in the quote in the post I'm quoting? If she does defend herself, it will obviouslly lead to worse and further abuse.
Obviously? How can you possibly know? You're speculating again. And you not helping the situation, but possibly making it worse. Again: Careful what you're saying!
*snip*
I've spoken my mind, but considering many of the posts here I'd just like to add: Be careful, think things through, and don't do anything hasty. And again, good luck to you.

OMG....they have a silence day dedicated to queers?!

How fucking lame is that.

Silence days are dedicated to tragic happenings or war veterans...not some kids who get bullied.

I agree with your parents and I'd smack my kid if he participated in that.

Wow, some day I foresee your child stabbing you.

I stated that a child of 13 was not old enough to have valid political opinion.

Nonsense. Just because you did not have any valid political opinions at thirteen does not mean that the same is true for all thirteen-year-olds.

When I was 13, I most definitely held valid political opinions, some of which I still hold today.

Well, in my history class "the mission of the institution" is usually to debate. So if the history teacher disrupts that process, then it's kind of like screwing your opinion about the freedom of speech.

If they decide something you say disrupts the debate, the can restrict it. The second sentence didn't make sense, sorry.

I applaud you for seeking help from this, but at the same time, this is a place where people play games (its what we are here for). I DONT want to see NationStates on the Nightly news because some kid said something about abuse, and was given the wrong idea, and it all went bad.

Oh yeah? Tough shit. There are posters here who have been around much longer than you (myself and my previous incarnation included), and we really don't care. This is General; threads with topics like this are allowed, regardless of your opinions on the matter.

Dont know where you live, but if you live in the south, (or possibly bible belt) watch out.

Ahh the wonders of being able to state your location on the little thing that says location. :D

No, the "mission of the institution" is to spread nationalist propaganda.
Ok. You can go f*** yourself now. *Prays to anti-ban gods more*

If it's not, why don't you try telling him that it's a problem? He's made a topic, NS has been over this.

He made a topic on it? I'm quite unaware of this. Still, it's too personal of a problem for me to discuss on an online forum anyway. But in this thread, he didn't bring it up, you did as quite a cruel joke, so that's why I'm calling you out for it.

I think it would be better to try and explain to you parents why their assumptions offend you. Try to make them see just how much it's upsetting you, and if they continue to take this attitude towards you, that you will leave.

How? If she speaks to her parents calmly and explains her point, how is that going to lead to "further abuse"? Her parents are also human, not monsters. They can reason and understand like any other human being. The key point here is she needs an argument, and send the message to her parents without raising her voice or baiting her parents to be angry. I think a letter would work quite well. That way she can think about what she wants to say, have time to ponder the words so they won't be rash, and no emotions, especially anger, will be involved in the message. Also, her parents can read it without her there, so they have time to think clearly without her presence.

Good advice, but this rests on the premise her parents are actually human. My mother, for example, complains loudly for the six hours a day (for the past four months, consistently) she is at home and awake, about my choice to apply to a university that isn't "good enough", according to her. My sister is trying to revise for very important exams, and yet my mother complains to her about me, continually, accusing me of being a failure, and therefore a slut and a druggie (imaginative woman.)

Would you call that human? I like to call it senility.

I don't think my mother would understand a letter. I've been writing them for the past three months to her, and every time she screeches at me now, she makes up things to support her argument, contradicting the truth. Like, if I say, "I'm quitting because I don't like the course, despite my lecturer saying I'm doing well, getting As etc", she will change it to, "your lecturers kicked you off the course, they said you're crap, you're a FAILURE" (insert screech).

How will a verbal abuser take a letter, apparently critiquing their efforts to "educate" their child? I wonder...

The only valid reason to tell this kid to run would be violence or physical sexual assault.

Then and only then and only to run to the law.

To advise a kid to run away because they chose to believe the opposite of what the parents do, reveals how you haven't taken any child development courses yet or you would have learned about the rebellious attitudes of early teens, which is a developmental fact.

You have tried this and have gotten kicked out of class as a result I assume?

Nope, not a Nazi and I accept the reality of the school system.

The school must then prove that they had a valid EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE for such censorship and that it was not intended to silence a viewpoint that they simply found unpopular.

Or they could say your causing a disturbance.

I think it would be better to try and explain to you parents why their assumptions offend you. Try to make them see just how much it's upsetting you, and if they continue to take this attitude towards you, that you will leave.

Sound, but if she lives in the Deep South, that sort of thing most likely won't work. It'd probably end with belt buckle marks on her face.

Obviously? How can you possibly know? You're speculating again. And you not helping the situation, but possibly making it worse. Again: Careful what you're saying!
Do you know anything about Parent-Child Psychology? Parents will tend to perform abusive behavior on thier children if thier children stand up for themselves and try to defend themselves.

That's not the message I'm getting from her.
Despite the fact that you may have interpreted my message wrong, I do believe that my parents are human. Just humans that show favoritism to my older sisters and especially my little brother.

My sister got invited to go on a cruise to the Bahamas. They payed for it.

I asked to go to a movie with some friends, and they could pay me back money they owe me. They said no, called me an ingrate a few times, told me I could go out with a group of friends that had guys in it once I had a job and could pay for my own ticket.

My brother is failing third grade and they still buy him video games.

I get in trouble for yelling at him to do his homework and stop using the PS2.

What did I say in the quote in the post I'm quoting? If she does defend herself, it will obviouslly lead to worse and further abuse.
Do you know her parents? Have you even spoken to them? All we have in this thread is her side of what happened.

Running away is never an acceptable answer. How old are you? I notice other posters talking to you like you're a kid yourself.

If you are not 18, you are not in a position to be telling her to run away. There are older people on here, who are in a better position to give her advise cause they've lived a bit longer and have already gone through all that stuff.

Ok. You can go f*** yourself now. *Prays to anti-ban gods more*

Your anger only proves me right.

He made a topic on it? I'm quite unaware of this. Still, it's too personal of a problem for me to discuss on an online forum anyway. But in this thread, he didn't bring it up, you did as quite a cruel joke, so that's why I'm calling you out for it.

It's not as though he could care, he's the least likely subject to be hurt by a joke (except for him cutting himself for it, but since that actually makes him feel good, I'd be helping.), and thus the best target. Well, no, the best target is the person who sees how ridiculous they are and laughs at themselves.

And what exactly, is happening?

Harassment of gay teenagers.

Nonsense. Just because you did not have any valid political opinions at thirteen does not mean that the same is true for all thirteen-year-olds.

When I was 13, I most definitely held valid political opinions, some of which I still hold today.

Seconded (or thirded, if we're counting Nat) - when I was 12 I visited china and saw the income discrepancy; some were living in squalor whilst others lived like Kings, and shopped accordingly. That experience developed my stance on welfare and taxation, which I still hold today (at 18... no, wait, 19. Damn. Keep forgetting my birthday's gone!).

Despite the fact that you may have interpreted my message wrong, I do believe that my parents are human. Just humans that show favoritism to my older sisters and especially my little brother.

My sister got invited to go on a cruise to the Bahamas. They payed for it.

I asked to go to a movie with some friends, and they could pay me back money they owe me. They said no, called me an ingrate a few times, told me I could go out with a group of friends that had guys in it once I had a job and could pay for my own ticket.

My brother is failing third grade and they still buy him video games.

I get in trouble for yelling at him to do his homework and stop using the PS2.

Question: Are you in Texas? That sounds a lot like what parents here do to the bright kids in the family.

Your anger only proves me right.

Eventually, you're just going to want him to go a little too deep, it's basically inevitable if you stick around too long.

Do you know her parents? Have you even spoken to them? All we have in this thread is her side of what happened.

Running away is never an acceptable answer. How old are you? I notice other posters talking to you like you're a kid yourself.

If you are not 18, you are not in a position to be telling her to run away. There are older people on here, who are in a better position to give her advise cause they've lived a bit longer and have already gone through all that stuff.
What is with people thinking that just because my body is physically young it means my mind is young? Oh, and the only reason I'm going all out is because people are in fact being morons by telling a girl who's parents are seriously verbally abusing her to defend herself, which will without a doubt in my mind lead to serious physical abuse. And because people are discriminating against me just because I'm a kid.

Harassment of gay teenagers.

If there was a day of silence for every group harassed, when are we gonna speak?

Harassment of gay teenagers.

:rolleyes:

And they have a whole movement over this.

People get harassed all the time at school, yet they still somehow deal with it.

Just find other people to be around.

I applaud you for seeking help from this, but at the same time, this is a place where people play games (its what we are here for). I DONT want to see NationStates on the Nightly news because some kid said something about abuse, and was given the wrong idea, and it all went bad.
Like "NS Generalite hospitalized after looking for a radiator inside himself" or "Frequent poster on NationStates messageboard shot after trying to raise an army of Penguins to topple the US government and, quote, "stop the Conspiracy", after being given that advice by a poster on said site"?

On second thought, I'd like to see the last one on Fox :p

Nope, not a Nazi and I accept the reality of the school system.



Or they could say your causing a disturbance.
That would be an educational reason (disrupting others' education) but if you said these things during an open class debate in the same way as anyone else, then there is no reason that you should not win a lawsuit disputing the punishment. Nazis are unpopular, but their rights have been upheld by the United States judicial system a number of times. Just google "skokie march" to see what I'm talking about.

What is with people thinking that just because my body is physically young it means my mind is young? Oh, and the only reason I'm going all out is because people are in fact being morons by telling a girl who's parents are seriously verbally abusing her to defend herself, which will without a doubt in my mind lead to serious physical abuse. And because people are discriminating against me just because I'm a kid.

They're discriminating against you because you're known for saying and doing stupid things.

Despite the fact that you may have interpreted my message wrong, I do believe that my parents are human. Just humans that show favoritism to my older sisters and especially my little brother.

My sister got invited to go on a cruise to the Bahamas. They payed for it.

I asked to go to a movie with some friends, and they could pay me back money they owe me. They said no, called me an ingrate a few times, told me I could go out with a group of friends that had guys in it once I had a job and could pay for my own ticket.

My brother is failing third grade and they still buy him video games.

I get in trouble for yelling at him to do his homework and stop using the PS2.

Is this seriously why you're upset, and wanting to run away?
Christ, I purge my life history on an innocent bunch of NSers, for child preferential discrepancy?

If there was a day of silence for every group harassed, when are we gonna speak?

100% agreed to the max.

Good advice, but this rests on the premise her parents are actually human. My mother, for example, complains loudly for the six hours a day (for the past four months, consistently) she is at home and awake, about my choice to apply to a university that isn't "good enough", according to her. My sister is trying to revise for very important exams, and yet my mother complains to her about me, continually, accusing me of being a failure, and therefore a slut and a druggie (imaginative woman.)

Would you call that human? I like to call it senility.

I don't think my mother would understand a letter. I've been writing them for the past three months to her, and every time she screeches at me now, she makes up things to support her argument, contradicting the truth. Like, if I say, "I'm quitting because I don't like the course, despite my lecturer saying I'm doing well, getting As etc", she will change it to, "your lecturers kicked you off the course, they said you're crap, you're a FAILURE" (insert screech).

How will a verbal abuser take a letter, apparently critiquing their efforts to "educate" their child? I wonder...

I don't know. Personal experience tells me letters have always worked quite well. My parents and I have had quite a few rows that were solved by letter writing. I suppose it's better than confronting them face to face. And as the OP said earlier, her parents are not monsters, they just play favourism. Besides, if the letters don't work, she can consider other options. The letter option really does no harm if tried.

Like "NS Generalite hospitalized after looking for a radiator inside himself" or "Frequent poster on NationStates messageboard shot after trying to raise an army of Penguins to topple the US government and, quote, "stop the Conspiracy", after being given that advice by a poster on said site"?

On second thought, I'd like to see the last one on Fox :p

The army of penguins is totally mine. We plan to take down the Antartic Poletariat

Nonsense. Just because you did not have any valid political opinions at thirteen does not mean that the same is true for all thirteen-year-olds.

When I was 13, I most definitely held valid political opinions, some of which I still hold today.

You held opinions, which until you were an adult and had to take responibility for them, were not valid.

As long as your parents were responsible for them and not yourself, they were not valid. I didn't say I personally was a certain way and thus it is for anyone else. I had strong opinions when I was a child, to some I still adhere, some have grown or faded. But my opinion on children and parents and the state were not valid until I was an adult, with children and paying taxes.

I stated a simple fact, that if you're not going to be held responsible for your opinion, than it's not a valid opinion.

You got this already, thank you for responding though.

Question: Are you in Texas? That sounds a lot like what parents here do to the bright kids in the family.
Opposite end.. Think NYS.

Is this seriously why you're upset, and wanting to run away?
Christ, I purge my life history on an innocent bunch of NSers, for child preferential discrepancy?

Don't be so sure. Her parents are probably extremely mentally and verbally abusive. I could be wrong, though.

They're discriminating against you because you're known for saying and doing stupid things.
So defending a secular religion like Wicca is stupid? Being a loner is stupid? That's what I'm getting from you.

Opposite end.. Think NYS.

Ah. Well, down here, that sort of treatment is really common. A lot of the stereotypes are so true that it's disgusting.

And yes, kids are still beaten by their parents here. Now, that's not as often as it used to be, but still...

So defending a secular religion like Wicca is stupid? Being a loner is stupid? That's what I'm getting from you.

Nah, random comments, what you've told her, cutting yourself for...what was it...a late family member, two dead pets and 30K in debt?

It's not as though he could care, he's the least likely subject to be hurt by a joke (except for him cutting himself for it, but since that actually makes him feel good, I'd be helping.), and thus the best target. Well, no, the best target is the person who sees how ridiculous they are and laughs at themselves.
It may not upset him but it's upsetting me. That's why I'm asking you to stop.

What is with people thinking that just because my body is physically young it means my mind is young? Oh, and the only reason I'm going all out is because people are in fact being morons by telling a girl who's parents are seriously verbally abusing her to defend herself, which will without a doubt in my mind lead to serious physical abuse. And because people are discriminating against me just because I'm a kid.

Come to think of it, the physical abuse for me doubled once I started defending my opinion.

Good point.

And I also believe you have valid political views. Possibly the people who discriminate because of your age were the sort who didn't develop political opinions until it was "cool" to at university.

It may not upset him but it's upsetting me. That's why I'm asking you to stop.

Ah, that makes more sense. *shrug* Very well.

P.S. But if the fact it's happening at all upsets you, refer to him.

Eventually, you're just going to want him to go a little too deep, it's basically inevitable if you stick around too long.

Is that a hint for me to run away as fast as I can? :p

You held opinions, which until you were an adult and had to take responibility for them, were not valid.

As long as your parents were responsible for them and not yourself, they were not valid. I didn't say I personally was a certain way and thus it is for anyone else. I had strong opinions when I was a child, to some I still adhere, some have grown or faded. But my opinion on children and parents and the state were not valid until I was an adult, with children and paying taxes.

I stated a simple fact, that if you're not going to be held responsible for your opinion, than it's not a valid opinion.

You got this already, thank you for responding though.
WHAT?!?! He never said his opinions from his teenage years weren't valid! Ok man, just shut up. Just because we're children doesn't mean we're nieve, stupid, and politically unaware. And you just now said that some opinions from when you were a child you still hold dear! YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF! And I do believe I am held responsible for my opinion plenty of times. I'm a communist. I'm responsible for being a communist. I'm pro-choice. I'm responsible for being pro-choice.

What is with people thinking that just because my body is physically young it means my mind is young?

Because it is.

Inexperienced, unaccountable and unreasonable.

You resort to profanity when you run out of things to rant about.

So defending a secular religion like Wicca is stupid? Being a loner is stupid? That's what I'm getting from you.

Short Answer.

Yes.

The army of penguins is totally mine. We plan to take down the Antartic Poletariat

Does that mean there is a penguin bourgeosie????? :eek:

Is that a hint for me to run away as fast as I can? :p
Yeah, probably. Our kind of corruption is much preferrable to his. :fluffle:

Nah, random comments, what you've told her, cutting yourself for...what was it...a late family member, two dead pets and 30K in debt?

Hold it. That sort of situation is really hard on people (I should know, because I'm in a very similar one). Now, I've never harmed myself because of it, but I'm sure that a lot of other people of weaker will definitely would have.

Being in debt alone is enough to get one depressed. Now, I'm not in debt --- I'm just dirt-fucking-poor. But it's similar enough to cause the same psychological issues.

Nah, random comments, what you've told her, cutting yourself for...what was it...a late family member, two dead pets and 30K in debt?
The things dead I saw die with my own eyes. Also, my parents do have a tendency to periodically verbally abuse me as well.

WHAT?!?! He never said his opinions from his teenage years weren't valid! Ok man, just shut up. Just because we're children doesn't mean we're nieve, stupid, and politically unaware. And you just now said that some opinions from when you were a child you still hold dear! YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF! And I do believe I am held responsible for my opinion plenty of times. I'm a communist. I'm responsible for being a communist. I'm pro-choice. I'm responsible for being pro-choice.

I'm starting to believe that your only a "communist" because it would seem the most extreme and best match your "loner"ness.

Grow up.

Don't be so sure. Her parents are probably extremely mentally and verbally abusive. I could be wrong, though.

Good point. However my comments were mostly about physical abuse... I had thought her wish to run away may have stemmed from physical abuse, which would really justify her views. However, her mention that she views her parents as human, doesn't correlate to the widely-held perception of beaten children. And this topic is about, "should I run", so...

Because it is.

Inexperienced, unaccountable and unreasonable.

You resort to profanity when you run out of things to rant about.
Ah, what a wonderful world it would be if no adults did that. :p

Does that mean there is a penguin bourgeosie????? :eek:
...and you never wondered why they always dress so smart?

Is this seriously why you're upset, and wanting to run away?
Christ, I purge my life history on an innocent bunch of NSers, for child preferential discrepancy?

You're surprised? Frustrated teenagers come here to vent. Truly endangered teenagers go to MySpace. :p

WHAT?!?! He never said his opinions from his teenage years weren't valid! Ok man, just shut up. Just because we're children doesn't mean we're nieve, stupid, and politically unaware. And you just now said that some opinions from when you were a child you still hold dear! YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF! And I do believe I am held responsible for my opinion plenty of times. I'm a communist. I'm responsible for being a communist. I'm pro-choice. I'm responsible for being pro-choice.

No, he said he had opinions, but theey weren't valid then. and you're not responsible for being pro-choice till you have an abortion or something.

You held opinions, which until you were an adult and had to take responibility for them, were not valid.

As long as your parents were responsible for them and not yourself, they were not valid. I didn't say I personally was a certain way and thus it is for anyone else. I had strong opinions when I was a child, to some I still adhere, some have grown or faded. But my opinion on children and parents and the state were not valid until I was an adult, with children and paying taxes.

I stated a simple fact, that if you're not going to be held responsible for your opinion, than it's not a valid opinion.

You got this already, thank you for responding though.

My parents were never responsible for my opinions. If someone disagreed with me, they did not argue with my parents, they argued with me. Since we live in a society where (for the most part at least) people are not shot or imprisoned for holding the wrong opinions, that is pretty much the only sense of "responsibility" that can be applied to one's opinions.

When I was a child, my parents had partial responsibility for my actions, but that is a different matter.

Because it is.

Inexperienced, unaccountable and unreasonable.

You resort to profanity when you run out of things to rant about.
No, I resort to profanity when people like you are discriminating at me because of my age, and when people are recommending a 13 year old girl to do something which will without a doubt in my mind cause her to be physically abused.

So defending a secular religion like Wicca is stupid? Being a loner is stupid? That's what I'm getting from you.

No, it's your judgemental generalizing attitude that's stupid.

Let's see .... 13 years old ... female?

So here's your choice:

1] Suck it up and deal with it like the rest of us who grew up with the human monsters we call parents. Stay clothed, fed, sheltered. Keep your free internet and air conditioning.

Or ...

2] Run away into a world you're not prepared for, can't legally enter into any contracts within (meaning no apartment, no utilities, no job), and cannot even sign your own medical release forms. Probably end up on the streets starving until some perv takes you in and you end up as highly illegal internet porn.

In just a few short years, you'll be out anyway. Ride the gravy train while you can.

Short Answer.

Yes.
Wait, so your saying that defending a religion is stupid? That's new...

Do you know anything about Parent-Child Psychology?
Yes.
Parents will tend to perform abusive behavior on thier children if thier children stand up for themselves and try to defend themselves.
No.

Yeah, probably. Our kind of corruption is much preferrable to his. :fluffle:

You cannot corrupt me anymore! You have no power!!!!!

ps...oh shit, I started spamming again...damn you Dina!

The things dead I saw die with my own eyes. Also, my parents do have a tendency to periodically verbally abuse me as well.

Uh-huh...So...Seeing the death of things close to you is a valid reason for self-harm...Geez, I should cut myself too! and millions of other people! It'll make us better!

No, he said he had opinions, but theey weren't valid then. and you're not responsible for being pro-choice till you have an abortion or something.
How do you mean responsible? No one is responsible for their opinions? Suppose you vote for a politician that is pro-choice. Does that make you responsible?

Good point. However my comments were mostly about physical abuse... I had thought her wish to run away may have stemmed from physical abuse, which would really justify her views. However, her mention that she views her parents as human, doesn't correlate to the widely-held perception of beaten children. And this topic is about, "should I run", so...

True, true.

Though beatings and verbal abuse can be bad as each other... It just depends on how each are performed.

WHAT?!?! He never said his opinions from his teenage years weren't valid! Ok man, just shut up. Just because we're children doesn't mean we're nieve, stupid, and politically unaware. And you just now said that some opinions from when you were a child you still hold dear! YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF! And I do believe I am held responsible for my opinion plenty of times. I'm a communist. I'm responsible for being a communist. I'm pro-choice. I'm responsible for being pro-choice.

If I contradicted myself, you'ed have quote,

Dream on rebellious child.

Stating my opinions were not valid as a youth and that i have the same ones now, doesn't make them valid then, I've said this several times now and you ignore it because it shot down your childish opinions.

Thats pretty weak, to lose an argument and then accuse me of somewthing I didn't do.

Truly endangered teenagers go to MySpace. :p
Point taken!

You cannot corrupt me anymore! You have no power!!!!!

ps...oh shit, I started spamming again...damn you Dina!

^_^ :fluffle:

How do you mean responsible? No one is responsible for their opinions? Suppose you vote for a politician that is pro-choice. Does that make you responsible?

Assuming your vote was responsible for getting him elected.

Uh-huh...So...Seeing the death of things close to you is a valid reason for self-harm...Geez, I should cut myself too! and millions of other people! It'll make us better!
One word: Trauma

...and you never wondered why they always dress so smart?

But they all dress that way...so what are they oppressing then?:confused:

My parents were never responsible for my opinions. If someone disagreed with me, they did not argue with my parents, they argued with me. Since we live in a society where (for the most part at least) people are not shot or imprisoned for holding the wrong opinions, that is pretty much the only sense of "responsibility" that can be applied to one's opinions.

When I was a child, my parents had partial responsibility for my actions, but that is a different matter.

Since they were completely legally responsible for you, you just wasted a post revealing that you can't handle this fact, not opinion.

Assuming your vote was responsible for getting him elected.
Everyone who votes is responsible for getting a law passed or someone elected.

Does that mean there is a penguin bourgeosie????? :eek:
What, didn't you get the memo? I was sure that I remembered to... *mumble*

You're surprised? Frustrated teenagers come here to vent. Truly endangered teenagers go to MySpace. :p

I would hardly call them endangered...more like a plague.

One word: Trauma

You've sought outside help, I hope?

Since they were completely legally responsible for you, you just wasted a post revealing that you can't handle this fact, not opinion.

As I pointed out, there is at this point no "legal responsibility" for having any particular opinion, so that's completely irrelevant.

I would hardly call them endangered...more like a plague.

*carts you a crate of cookies*

No, I resort to profanity when people like you are discriminating at me because of my age, and when people are recommending a 13 year old girl to do something which will without a doubt in my mind cause her to be physically abused.

Why waste time getting...Actually, nevermind.

One word: Trauma

Right...And of course, any qualified psychiartrist will tell you, the best treament for trauma has nothing to do with trauma experts, just slash open your arm! The endorphines fix you!


P.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_trauma
http://www.houstonmedcenter.com/articles/assisting_children_in_coping_with_violence_and_disasters.php

You've sought outside help, I hope?
Ha! Like I have any friends to talk to. My parents would just remeber it and start yelling at me for bringing it up. And I doubt they'd take me to a shrink, as I would have to tell them why, resulting in the previous sentence.

But they all dress that way...so what are they oppressing then?:confused:

No, no no, there are secret lairs full of poor enslaved white collat worker penguins who have none of the fineries and all wear flat caps, you just never see those because the penguin bourgeoisie keep them underground in places like Kulat Nunat to work and power their evilly masterminded contraptions.

I'm sure there was something about it in Nation Geographic, you may have missed it...

What, didn't you get the memo? I was sure that I remembered to... *mumble*

You intentionally left me out! :eek:

I feel sad now. :(

Don't be so sure. Her parents are probably extremely mentally and verbally abusive. I could be wrong, though.

I think it could be called mental and verbal abuse. Because I sometimes get scared to go home from school because of something I "did". My mom once accused me of stealing from her. She screamed and screamed at me calling me a thief. I went downstairs to clean the kitchen, to get away from her. She'd lost a 20. It was under the crock pot.

Everyone who votes is responsible for getting a law passed or someone elected.

Sure, if you consider them .0000425% responsible.

Ha! Like I have any friends to talk to. My parents would just remeber it and start yelling at me for bringing it up. And I doubt they'd take me to a shrink, as I would have to tell them why, resulting in the previous sentence.

There's always Elizabeth. :D

*carts you a crate of cookies*

Awesome-ness! I GET COOKIES!!!!! :D

I think it could be called mental and verbal abuse. Because I sometimes get scared to go home from school because of something I "did". My mom once accused me of stealing from her. She screamed and screamed at me calling me a thief. I went downstairs to clean the kitchen, to get away from her. She'd lost a 20. It was under the crock pot.

Now, if this is only a small taste of what your parents are like, I'd say that you've got it pretty bad.

But ride it out until you're 18. That's the best thing to do, no matter how horrible it sounds.

You intentionally left me out! :eek:

I feel sad now. :(

Well...Would you like to assist us now?