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IQ's only applied within the context of an IQ test, or school examination. They don't measure genuine intelligence any more so than reality TV prepares you for the world.So why bother testing it then?

1. wasn't me
2. okay
3. okay
4. conspiracy theories in general...nevermind, just chattering about subjectivity of everything...superficial academic bullsh of mine
5. person in an old tv show by same name, british, horribly funny, including an intellectually challenged nobleman...A must-see. Before hitchhikersguide.

dude, sorry about #1. I woke up inexplicably at 5am this morning and it's pretty much messed up everything so far. hehe

Hes rediculous, and u guys revoted him in... u deserve what you get from that moron

Actually we didnt. The Diebold voting machines were insecure and faulty, and someone could have easily tampered with it. John Kerry getting a some odd -25 (yes, negative) million votes in an Ohio county should really say something...http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/281829446390855.php

Meh. I consistently score around 145 on IQ tests. Never quite high enough to actually get into MENSA though.

145 is more than enough to get into MENSA. I would have been accepted with 138, however I'm never going to pay the ridiculous fees they charge just to be a member. Anyway, why do you need to show off if you are smart?

Back to Bush and his IQ (By the way 100 is average, FACT), and I think Bush is around 105/110. He's not a great public speaker, but he's not stupid.

So why bother testing it then?

Everyone loves class divides, so why not split everyone into "stupid" and "useful cog for corporate machine"?

145 is more than enough to get into MENSA. I would have been accepted with 138, however I'm never going to pay the ridiculous fees they charge just to be a member. Anyway, why do you need to show off if you are smart?

Back to Bush and his IQ (By the way 100 is average, FACT), and I think Bush is around 105/110. He's not a great public speaker, but he's not stupid.

Smart enough to know they're ripping you off. Well played.

Smart enough to know they're ripping you off. Well played.

no kidding.

I don't want to rip on something I know little about, however, so I must ask:

ARE there solid/practical benefits that accompany MENSA membership?

Smart enough to know they're ripping you off. Well played.

Lol, well they are. And what does it actually do for you anyway?

I know loads of people on here are anti-Bush, but really. Is this thread really needed. I think deeply and truly most people accept that Bush junior has some intelligence. Don't let your dislike for him cloud your judgement - or his public speeches for that matter....

145 is more than enough to get into MENSA. I would have been accepted with 138, however I'm never going to pay the ridiculous fees they charge just to be a member. Anyway, why do you need to show off if you are smart?

Back to Bush and his IQ (By the way 100 is average, FACT), and I think Bush is around 105/110. He's not a great public speaker, but he's not stupid.How much are the dues anyway? The Mensa UK site doesn't have any mention of dues whatsoever. It's like it tries to lure you in and then takes you for all you're worth... kinda like scientology.

I did find this though. Which explains the differences in the numbers that they ask for.
top 2% mark in any of these frequently used tests below qualifies you for entry to Mensa. The minimum test mark to get into Mensa is:
Cattell III B - 148
Culture Fair - 132
Ravens Advanced Matrices - 135
Ravens Standard Matrices - 131
Wechsler Scales - 132

Everyone loves class divides, so why not split everyone into "stupid" and "useful cog for corporate machine"?*grins* You're either clever with an independent mind, or clever and consistantly do poorly on IQ tests.

You made me laugh though :)

I have an even better idea - why not just make him do one instead of us "deciding" what it is.

I have an even better idea - why not just make him do one instead of us "deciding" what it is.We'll be waiting when you get back with the results. Too-da-loo.

Um, you learn at school. You learn how to solve problems, if you don't exersise your brain regularly your IQ won't improve.

No, school has nothing to do with your IQ. Having knowledge isn't the same thing as having intelligence. You can go to school and learn that the capital of Italy is Rome, but does that make you any smarter? No. Does it incresae your IQ? No. The only thing it does is give you more knowledge. IQ tests do not measure knowledge -- only intelligence. And it is impossible to increase your IQ, no matter how hard you study or how much you learn. You are simply increasing your knowledge by doing that.

(By the way 100 is average, FACT)

Isn't 100 the worldwide average? Perhaps people are slightly above the world average in the US, making their IQ slightly above 100.

Lets be honest even if W had a gifted level IQ, his years of drunkeness and drug dependance have eroded his brain.

Hmm, I couldn't care less about his IQ.

I don't think Bush has a below average IQ. I do believe that Bush likes to remain blissfully ignorant, especially if information disagrees with how he pictures the world. People close to Bush say he likes to "make his own reality."

IQ tests are dogshit. I got tested when I was 8 because my mom was convienced that there was something wrong with all the time (munchausen by proxy), and scored 147. I'm sure as hell no genius though. It's just a number.

That doesn't mean that I don't think Bush is an idiot though. :)

Originally Posted by Begoned
No, school has nothing to do with your IQ. Having knowledge isn't the same thing as having intelligence. You can go to school and learn that the capital of Italy is Rome, but does that make you any smarter? No. Does it incresae your IQ? No. The only thing it does is give you more knowledge. IQ tests do not measure knowledge -- only intelligence. And it is impossible to increase your IQ, no matter how hard you study or how much you learn. You are simply increasing your knowledge by doing that.

I'm not talking about knowlege, I'm talking about being productive. Having knowlege does not increase your IQ but using it does. Knowing that A = pir2 doesn't make you any smarter but learning how to use it to solve a problem improves logic. You can encourage your brain to analyze the situation, remove unnessesary information and solve the problem.

Bush's official IQ test score is somewhere around 95, and his dad's is around 98. I'm too busy eating popcorn shrimp to get a link at the moment, but another trusty Generalite should provide.

If thats true the Republican Democracy you operate is a joke.

Isn't 100 the worldwide average? Perhaps people are slightly above the world average in the US, making their IQ slightly above 100.

Ha! Are you american? The answer is again no.

IQ tests are designed to give approximately normally distributed results ie. they are normalised. If the population of America is the sample population the average IQ would be 100. Even if the rest of the world was included, I doubt there would be a difference, and if there were it would only be 1 or 2, not by 10 as the poll above claims.

Back to the question that was originally asked about Bush's IQ;



he only has two neurons in his head and half of those are dead!

Even if the rest of the world was included, I doubt there would be a difference

No, there would be a pretty big difference. In Africa, many more people score lower than 85 than in the US and other Western countries. This may be due to a number of factors, but the tests could be calibrated to account for the whole world, which would bring up the US average. Also, the test may not have been recalibrated for some time resulting in an average intelligence over 100.

Interesting. The average IQ given here for Bush is 101, which is just about average. The median IQ is also between 105-115. I guess he's pretty mediocre, then.

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Hmm... How about this then:

http://www.gratis-ting.dk/ny/spilfilm/vis.php?id=3065&mode=view&tilbage=ok
Ah, good, good!

Ah, good, good!
very

I read somewhere that Clinton's IQ was 156 :eek:
and, surprisingly, ;) Bush did not take the test!!!

I presume his IQ is around the 118 mark - slightly above average considering his education.

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and, surprisingly, ;) Bush did not take the test!!!I heard he either got a deferrment from the test, or flunked it.

Holy macaroni - I got a better score than Gore on the SAT when I took it in seventh grade, and Gore's one of the few public figures I actually respect as an intelligent person. I guess this is further evidence for my theory that standardized tests largely measure how good you are at taking standardized tests...

No, there would be a pretty big difference. In Africa, many more people score lower than 85 than in the US and other Western countries. This may be due to a number of factors, but the tests could be calibrated to account for the whole world, which would bring up the US average. Also, the test may not have been recalibrated for some time resulting in an average intelligence over 100.

IQ is a test of intelligence not knowledge. People in Africa are not dumb, they may lack knowledge due to school not being compulsory everywhere...

Quote your source for the 85, because as far as I know, you're talking a load of rubbish...

George Bush is mentally retarded

Obviously greater than yours, seeing as you believe in IQ tests.

Zing! :D

Some scientists dispute psychometrics entirely. In The Mismeasure of Man, Professor Stephen Jay Gould argues that intelligence tests are based on faulty assumptions and shows their history of being used as the basis for scientific racism. He writes:

…the abstraction of intelligence as a single entity, its location within the brain, its quantification as one number for each individual, and the use of these numbers to rank people in a single series of worthiness, invariably to find that oppressed and disadvantaged groups—races, classes, or sexes—are innately inferior and deserve their status. (pp. 24–25)

He spends much of the book debunking the concept of IQ, including a historical discussion of how the IQ tests were created and a technical discussion of why g is simply a mathematical artifact. Later editions of the book include criticism of The Bell Curve.

Arthur Jensen, Professor of Educational Psychology, UC Berkeley, responds to Gould's criticisms in a paper titled The Debunking of Scientific Fossils and Straw Persons.

in a country of 300 million people average really shouldnt be above average.

119 seems about right to me.

On average, Americans are above average. We don't have the best math education here.

On average, Americans are above average. We don't have the best math education here.

What's wrong with that? On average, Americans are indeed above the worldwide average.

Holy macaroni - I got a better score than Gore on the SAT when I took it in seventh grade, and Gore's one of the few public figures I actually respect as an intelligent person. I guess this is further evidence for my theory that standardized tests largely measure how good you are at taking standardized tests...
When Gore took the SAT it meant something. My 1580 would be roughly equivalent to a 1300ish. The recentering in the 90's messed up all direct comparisions.