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There have been no tests conducted to measure Bush's intelligence. However, there is one somewhat reliable estimate. Gore scored a 1355 on his SAT while Bush score a 1206. Gore also took a legitimate IQ test and received a 133/134. Assuming that there is a more or less constant SAT/IQ ratio with little deviation (there is a 0.8 correlation between SAT score and IQ), that means that Bush's IQ is around 119. What do you think his IQ is (poll coming)?

Well, when you bear in mind he had the intelligence to become president of the U.S.A.... <90

Bush's official IQ test score is somewhere around 95, and his dad's is around 98. I'm too busy eating popcorn shrimp to get a link at the moment, but another trusty Generalite should provide.

Well there are different parts someone's IQ. Bush might be very good are mathematics, but have a shit vocabulary and a crap ability to communicate ideas.

There have been no tests conducted to measure Bush's intelligence. However, there is one somewhat reliable estimate. Gore scored a 1355 on his SAT while Bush score a 1206. Gore also took a legitimate IQ test and received a 133/134. Assuming that there is a more or less constant SAT/IQ ratio with little deviation (there is a 0.8 correlation between SAT score and IQ), that means that Bush's IQ is around 119. What do you think his IQ is (poll coming)?
Obviously greater than yours, seeing as you believe in IQ tests.

105-115 is us average???? r u sure?

105-115- the us average?:eek: is that official? Seems a bit high to me.

Edit: Quagmus, you SOB. Beat me to it.

Obviously greater than yours, seeing as you believe in IQ tests.

IQ tests do accurately measure your fluid intelligence, as has been proven in multiple scientific studies. Of course, I assume you believe that the Earth is in the center of the universe, correct? IQ testing has been systematically found reliable and accurate -- equally accurate as the heliocentric model of the universe has been found faulty. There's nothing to believe in IQ tests -- only to accept.

Liasia']105-115- the us average?:eek: is that official? Seems a bit high to me.

Edit: Quagmus, you SOB. Beat me to it.

amazingly smart people outweigh the painfully slow any day.

amazingly smart people outweigh the painfully slow any day.

Dunno about that. Have you ever worked in a fast food restaurant?

IQ tests do accurately measure your fluid intelligence, as has been proven in multiple scientific studies. Of course, I assume you believe that the Earth is in the center of the universe, correct? IQ testing has been systematically found reliable and accurate -- equally accurate as the heliocentric model of the universe has been found faulty. There's nothing to believe in IQ tests -- only to accept.
So it covers all the human knowledge that has been gathered by the entire population of the Earth? or just the knowledge employers think is usefull?

IQ tests do accurately measure your fluid intelligence, as has been proven in multiple scientific studies. Of course, I assume you believe that the Earth is in the center of the universe, correct? IQ testing has been systematically found reliable and accurate -- equally accurate as the heliocentric model of the universe has been found faulty. There's nothing to believe in IQ tests -- only to accept.

So why do British schools not rely on them? I've never taken one in my whole school career- although i hear they are compulsory in the us

Liasia']Dunno about that. Have you ever worked in a fast food restaurant?
You really expect smart people to work in a fast food resturant?

You really expect smart people to work in a fast food resturant?

:p depends. I do, but i guess it's acceptable if you're 16.

in a country of 300 million people average really shouldnt be above average.

119 seems about right to me.

Liasia']105-115- the us average?:eek: is that official? Seems a bit high to me.

Edit: Quagmus, you SOB. Beat me to it.
It's probably official from all IQ tests taken in America. Stupid people don't take IQ tests because they don't want it proven that they're stupid. Simple.

Concerning the average...

100 was the average that the tests were designed around. But, people have been scoring progressively better on IQ tests (proof, in my opinion, that your ability to learn isn't the only factor. Some of the test has to do with prior knowledge- there are many books which will tell you ways to improve your IQ score, which should be impossible).

So it covers all the human knowledge that has been gathered by the entire population of the Earth? or just the knowledge employers think is usefull?


It doesn't cover knowledge. Knowledge =/= intelligence. It covers logic and reasoning abilities.

IQ tests do accurately measure your fluid intelligence, as has been proven in multiple scientific studies. Of course, I assume you believe that the Earth is in the center of the universe, correct? IQ testing has been systematically found reliable and accurate -- equally accurate as the heliocentric model of the universe has been found faulty. There's nothing to believe in IQ tests -- only to accept.

Fluid intelligence? Please explain. How can you prove IQ is a reliable unit of intelligence when it is the only measure of intelligence to weigh itself with?

It's probably official from all IQ tests taken in America. Stupid people don't take IQ tests because they don't want it proven that they're stupid. Simple.

That seems a bit, well.... stupid. IQ tests are rubbish anywho- i reckon they always give you a higher level than you should have. In any case, i wouldn't rely on them.

So it covers all the human knowledge that has been gathered by the entire population of the Earth?

No.

Intelligence is not equivalent to accumulated factual knowledge.

Intelligence is the capability for abstract reasoning and problem solving.

While individuals with a high intelligence often do have a large storehouse of factual knowledge, the two are not the same.

Furthermore, an average IQ is defined to be exactly 100. It never changes. The way the test is scored is modified to keep it at 100. Thus, an IQ is not a measure of absolute intelligence but rather intelligence relative to the average at the time you took the test.

Bush's official IQ test score is somewhere around 95, and his dad's is around 98. I'm too busy eating popcorn shrimp to get a link at the moment, but another trusty Generalite should provide.
You actually believe that? It was a hoax, dude.
Come on, the circulated email claims JFK was a genius. He wasn't.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

Bush’s IQ is over 105, average, but only average. The point isn’t his stupidity but the ease at which he is manipulated.

105-115 is us average???? r u sure?

Well, I haven't been able to find many sites that show data to that effect. However, take a look at this site:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/US-Election-IQ2004.htm

If you average the scores based on population, the average IQ will be around 108.

Liasia']That seems a bit, well.... stupid. IQ tests are rubbish anywho- i reckon they always give you a higher level than you should have. In any case, i wouldn't rely on them.
Meh. I consistently score around 145 on IQ tests. Never quite high enough to actually get into MENSA though.

You actually believe that? It was a hoax, dude.
Come on, the circulated email claims JFK was a genius. He wasn't.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

Bush’s IQ is over 105, average, but only average. The point isn’t his stupidity but the ease at which he is manipulated.

Ok, then. I was skeptical, but I'd only heard about it a few years ago and it just vanished.

He still looks like a fucking moron when he speaks, though.

I think he's about average, maybe a little above. Honestly, it seems like Bush's problem isn't his intelligence but the fact that he's a shitty public speaker who is screwed if he's forced to veer off of his planned statements. His father was the same way when it came to public speaking so I think it's more of an inherited trait than mental deficiency.

Our US president is basically a poster boy for the government. Here is the real governmental allignment:
Bush: Poster boy
Cheney: President
Rice: Vice President
Rove: Mastermind
This government is in the hands of an incredibly irresponsible imbecile!:headbang:
P.S.: Does anyone wonder why he got into Yale? His father was a generous donor there, and Bush was let in because of that.
P.S.S.: Bush's IQ (I have heard from many places) is 84, but that seems probably a little low, even for Bush. It probably is somewhere in from 90-98.

Meh. I consistently score around 145 on IQ tests. Never quite high enough to actually get into MENSA though.

Hahahaha, MENSA. What a fucking joke that is.

Ever seen their "Mighty Brain Teasers" book? What a load...

No.

Intelligence is not equivalent to accumulated factual knowledge.

Intelligence is the capability for abstract reasoning and problem solving.

While individuals with a high intelligence often do have a large storehouse of factual knowledge, the two are not the same.

Furthermore, an average IQ is defined to be exactly 100. It never changes. The way the test is scored is modified to keep it at 100. Thus, an IQ is not a measure of absolute intelligence but rather intelligence relative to the average at the time you took the test.
IQ = skill at taking IQ tests.

Are there any accurate IQ tests on the web? I really want to find mine out now, and ones i've taken before have varied wildy.

Meh. I consistently score around 145 on IQ tests. Never quite high enough to actually get into MENSA though.

Real IQ tests or the crappy ones on the interweb? 145 is extremely high by any standard, and it should be in the top 1%.

Puppets don't have an IQ score...

Puppets don't have an IQ score...

Intelligent items do, usually in the 18-20 range for wands and staffs and somewhat less for things like swords and puppets. They also get a bonus to saving throws in most cases.

IQ = skill at taking IQ tests.

No, it's not. The problems posed in IQ tests only measure your ability for abstract thought and logic. For example, if tigers have stripes and you see a striped animal, is it a tiger? They're not problems like: what's a vinculum?

No, it's not. The problems posed in IQ tests only measure your ability for abstract thought and logic. For example, if tigers have stripes and you see a striped animal, is it a tiger? They're not problems like: what's a vinculum?

No. Yes. Maybe. :headbang:

No, it's not. The problems posed in IQ tests only measure your ability for abstract thought and logic. For example, if tigers have stripes and you see a striped animal, is it a tiger? They're not problems like: what's a vinculum?
It could be a zebra, right?

Intelligent items do, usually in the 18-20 range for wands and staffs and somewhat less for things like swords and puppets. They also get a bonus to saving throws in most cases.
Oh, we're going into rping huh?

Well then he's a cursed item.

He still looks like a fucking moron when he speaks, though.
Heartily agreed.

Meh. I consistently score around 145 on IQ tests. Never quite high enough to actually get into MENSA though.I thought you only need 133 to get into Mensa? Top 2%, not top 0.5% or whatever 145+ is.

Liasia']Are there any accurate IQ tests on the web? I really want to find mine out now, and ones i've taken before have varied wildy.

No.

For an IQ test to be accurate, it must be taken in a closed environment.

Remember the Seinfeld episode where this chick George was trying to fuck wanted him to take an IQ test, so he had Elaine take it for him?

He wouldn't be able to do that in the real world, because he would be taking it in a controlled environment.

Has anyone noticed that BUSH is the fucking screwiest president USA has ever had?!:upyours: Bush may be average (when I said 90-98 I was fuming so I exaggerated), but that isn't the problem. Bear in mind anything Bush does, there is an alternative.;)

Real IQ tests or the crappy ones on the interweb? 145 is extremely high by any standard, and it should be in the top 1%.
I've sat a few (4) as part of MENSA applications. You take 2 tests for one application and they accept the top 2% from each national exam session. Seems I've been unlucky to have a bunch of clever-dicks applying at the same time as me.

That 'bush drunk' video is awesome. Worrying, but funny.

Oh, we're going into rping huh?
Well then he's a cursed item.

Probably a spear +3 Backbiter or that damn bag of holding that attacks you and swallows you items...damn thing ate one of my Ioun stones.

Remember the Seinfeld episode where this chick George was trying to fuck wanted him to take an IQ test, so he had Elaine take it for him?

He wouldn't be able to do that in the real world, because he would be taking it in a controlled environment.

You ruined the whole thing for me:p . No i didn't see it, because my IQ is too high to watch Seinfeld.

if tigers have stripes and you see a striped animal, is it a tiger?

That depends. It could be any number of striped animals, though only a tiger if it has feline features, a large, dextrous build, well-developed canines, and large claws. ;)

what's a vinculum?

What the hell is a vinculum? :p

IQ = skill at taking IQ tests.
Excactly. They all have the same questions. For example:

Hand is to glove as foot is to____________.
A) Moccasin B) Donkey C) Pants D) Pencil -------->requires you know what Moccasins and Gloves are.

2 is to 10 as 5 is to _________.
A) 10 B) 2 C) 7 )25 -------->requires you know your times tables.

etc.

There have been no tests conducted to measure Bush's intelligence. However, there is one somewhat reliable estimate. Gore scored a 1355 on his SAT while Bush score a 1206. Gore also took a legitimate IQ test and received a 133/134. Assuming that there is a more or less constant SAT/IQ ratio with little deviation (there is a 0.8 correlation between SAT score and IQ), that means that Bush's IQ is around 119. What do you think his IQ is (poll coming)?


Assuming your SAT score for Bush is correct and then using the pre-74 SAT score, it would likely fall in the area of 129 for Bush's IQ

http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/Pre1974SAT.html

Excactly. They all have the same questions. For example:

Hand is to glove as foot is to____________.
A) Moccasin B) Donkey C) Pants D) Pencil -------->requires you know what Moccasins and Gloves are.

2 is to 10 as 5 is to _________.
A) 10 B) 2 C) 7 )25 -------->requires you know your times tables.

etc.

Looks more like the (now-defunct) SAT Analogies rather than an I.Q. test.

I've sat a few (4) as part of MENSA applications. You take 2 tests for one application and they accept the top 2% from each national exam session.

I doubt it.

Mensa's membership is limited to the most intelligent 2% of the general population, not the most intelligent 2% of the part of the population that is interested in joining Mensa.

Most of the IQ tests you find on the web are incredibly skewed. Consider the demographic taking the IQ tests – inquisitive people with access to enough resources to be able to have frivolous internet time. I don’t want to make any broad speculations but it does lead into my next point.

IQ tests are best used to describe how someone is adapting to the pedagogy of western education. The test is designed so that (my numbers may be off as I have not taken stats in awhile) 67% of the population falls within 85-115 – or one standard deviation. The fact that it measures the concepts we (as westerners) consider to be the most important facets of intelligence creates a culturally biased test. Don’t get me wrong it is a fabulous tool to use for assessing the progress of someone who is being educated in the western style – but not much else.

The last IQ test that I took online set the average score to be 115. This is a full standard of deviation off the norm. Meaning that the IQ test done online would need to be re-bell curved. The basis for this being that it is not comparable to the official IQ test where the curve peak – average – is 100. An interesting note – if you are to take IQ tests as the be all and end of intelligence you would have to believe that more than half of the people in African are retarded – in the clinical sense – as they possess IQs less than 75. I cannot accept this as fair or accurate. However being a white westerner who has had the benefit of western education an IQ test might be a better judge of my actual intelligence.

That depends. It could be any number of striped animals, though only a tiger if it has feline features, a large, dextrous build, well-developed canines, and large claws. ;)

Lol, the question wasn't meant to be read that far into, but excellent description of a tiger.

What the hell is a vinculum? :p

In mathematics, it's a fraction bar.

I've sat a few (4) as part of MENSA applications. You take 2 tests for one application and they accept the top 2% from each national exam session. Seems I've been unlucky to have a bunch of clever-dicks applying at the same time as me.Eh? That doesn't really make sense... either that or it's a scam. If only intelligent people sit the Mensa then the results will not be representative of the general population... Mensa take indepdently IQ tests thingies as well. So if you've ever sat an IQ test administered by a psychologist then they should accept that.

Meh, the only Mensa people I've ever met have been dicks and so I refuse to join. But then I probably only know the dicks are in Mensa because they're the only ones who boast about being in Mensa.

I've sat a few (4) as part of MENSA applications. You take 2 tests for one application and they accept the top 2% from each national exam session. Seems I've been unlucky to have a bunch of clever-dicks applying at the same time as me.
I like when Peter Griffin applies to join MENSA.

I like when Peter Griffen applies to join MENSA.

I like it when Peter Griffen tries to do anything.

Lol, the question wasn't meant to be read that far into, but excellent description of a tiger.



In mathematics, it's a fraction bar.

1: Not to worry. I go that far into every question like that.

2: I see. I was never taught the "name" of it. To me, it's always been a fraction bar or a "divider".

Liasia']I like it when Peter Griffen tries to do anything.

This "Peter Griffen" is obviously a cheap genetic knock-off of everybody's favorite fat retard,

http://www.bradfordbrokers.com/peter1.gif

Peter Griffin.

I'll be honest - as soon as i saw the association between "mental retard" and George W. Bush, the cheque was in th-email, so to speak.

I don't personally believe he's really a retard in every respect ... just the ones that count when you're the so-called president of the U.S. :(
And i think his record up to that even speaks VOLUMES of "misunderestimation".

This "Peter Griffen" is obviously a cheap genetic knock-off of everybody's favorite fat retard,
.

Who, in turn, is a rip-off of homer simpson.

I've sat a few (4) as part of MENSA applications. You take 2 tests for one application and they accept the top 2% from each national exam session. Seems I've been unlucky to have a bunch of clever-dicks applying at the same time as me.
perhaps there needs to be a "not quite smart enough for mensa" club.

do you really want to belong to an organization where you are the stupid one?

Do you know why I have no real faith in IQ tests?

Supposedly, these people (http://giga.iqsociety.org/intro.htm) are the smartest of the smart, one in a billion. But apparently, they aren't smart enough to make sure that all the text fits in the box provided.

Square peg + round hole = no faith in IQ tests.

I doubt it.

Mensa's membership is limited to the most intelligent 2% of the general population, not the most intelligent 2% of the part of the population that is interested in joining Mensa.
Ok, dude, whatever you say. I'll ignore the various leaflets I was given by MENSA when I applied.

Do you know why I have no real faith in IQ tests?

Supposedly, these people (http://giga.iqsociety.org/intro.htm) are the smartest of the smart, one in a billion. But apparently, they aren't smart enough to make sure that all the text fits in the box provided.

Square peg + round hole = no faith in IQ tests.

LMAO! That's great!

Who here voted gifted? Fess up!

Do you know why I have no real faith in IQ tests?

Supposedly, these people (http://giga.iqsociety.org/intro.htm) are the smartest of the smart, one in a billion. But apparently, they aren't smart enough to make sure that all the text fits in the box provided.

Square peg + round hole = no faith in IQ tests.

Bwhahahaha

2: I see. I was never taught the "name" of it. To me, it's always been a fraction bar or a "divider".

I had a math professor who was frequently high (probably, but there's no other explanation for his behaviour) and would gaze off into space for minutes at a time, doing nothing. When he came out of his reverie, he would blurt out "vinculum!" (sometimes he would yell "balloon!" or "Nixon!" too) and snap back to reality and continue teaching from where he left off. He also put extra credit questions on every single test asking what a vinculum was. Needless to say, I learned what a vinculum was and he got fired the next year. :)

Liasia']Who, in turn, is a rip-off of homer simpson.

He may be, but at least he's still funny and original. Can't quite say the same for old Homes.

Do you know why I have no real faith in IQ tests?

Supposedly, these people (http://giga.iqsociety.org/intro.htm) are the smartest of the smart, one in a billion. But apparently, they aren't smart enough to make sure that all the text fits in the box provided.

Square peg + round hole = no faith in IQ tests.I think that society is meant to be a parody of other high IQ societies.

I had a math professor who was frequently high (probably, but there's no other explanation for his behaviour) and would gaze off into space for minutes at a time, doing nothing. When he came out of his reverie, he would blurt out "vinculum!" (sometimes he would yell "balloon!" or "Nixon!" too) and snap back to reality and continue teaching from where he left off. He also put extra credit questions on every single test asking what a vinculum was. Needless to say, I learned what a vinculum was and he got fired the next year. :)

Dude, your professor fucking rocked.

what does the word "meh" mean? and who is peter griffen?

He may be, but at least he's still funny and original. Can't quite say the same for old Homes.

True. And its like that South Park episode pointed out- everything has already been done by the simpsons.

P.S.S.: Bush's IQ (I have heard from many places) is 84, but that seems probably a little low, even for Bush. It probably is somewhere in from 90-98.
Don't you mean,

POST-post-script?
Or ... p.p.s.?

This "Peter Griffen" is obviously a cheap genetic knock-off of everybody's favorite fat retard,

http://www.bradfordbrokers.com/peter1.gif

Peter Griffin.
For age I shall write "Deceased" and when they ask my sex I'll put "No thanks, I'm dead" Bulletproof.

what does the word "meh" mean? and who is peter griffen?

meh= equivalent of a shrug
peter griffen- family guy main character

Liasia']True. And its like that South Park episode pointed out- everything has already been done by the simpsons.

Except for the totally random / nostalgia-based humor of Family Guy...

...But The Simpsons has been copying that for years now, and they have the gall to say Family Guy stole it from them.

Dicks.

Bush's IQ, you ask?

I don't know myself, but hopefully, it's low. Otherwise I would be wondering how a guy with even an average IQ could have made so many moronic decisions

Dude, your professor fucking rocked.

Yup, best and easiest class ever. Only one single person got below an A in our class, and he was absent for 9/10 of the time. He got an A-. Too bad the administration decided that he wasn't a functional teacher and maybe not even functionally literate.

How is how someone runs a country a measure of their IQ?:confused:

Yup, best and easiest class ever. Only one single person got below an A in our class, and he was absent for 9/10 of the time. He got an A-. Too bad the administration decided that he wasn't a functional teacher and maybe not even functionally literate.

Stupid administration. :p

Stupid Mensa.
Mensa is the prestigious high IQ society. The only requirement needed to join is that your IQ must be at least 148, which ranks you in the top 2% of the population in general. Membership in the UK is currently 25,500 of which about 900 are young members under 18.When was the last time they looked at an IQ normal distribution. 140+ represents ~0.25% not 2%. Self-agrandising, self-centred, pretentious, pompous idiots.

I don't think Bush is stupid, I think he needs to learn how to communicate his ideas, and possibly start caring that no one in America wants to be in Iraq. :rolleyes:

And for those of you who didn't know that 105-115 was average.. I'm guessing yours is lower? I scored a 142 last year. :p

Zukariaa']

And for those of you who didn't know that 105-115 was average.. I'm guessing yours is lower? I scored a 142 last year. :p

And yet... i can dress myself.

Stupid Mensa.
When was the last time they looked at an IQ normal distribution. 140+ represents ~0.25% not 2%. Self-agrandising, self-centred, pretentious, pompous idiots.

That old episode of The Simpsons totally nailed Mensa. You know, the one with Stephen Hawking.

Liasia']And yet... i can dress myself.
:(

Bush's IQ, you ask?

I don't know myself, but hopefully, it's low. Otherwise I would be wondering how a guy with even an average IQ could have made so many moronic decisions

The average human being is a total idiot.

Your friends are smart. Hell, even your enemies are cunning.

And of course, you're a freaking jenious.


It all depends on perspective, and a large part of perspective is what you want to think.


People talk about how the rest of the world is stupid, as though they live on an intellectual mesa (or MENSA, in this case ;)) and all their friends do to. Similarly, most Americans think Congress is full of crooks and weirdos who should never have been allowed to hold political office. But Congresspeople have over an 80% success rate when they run as an incumbent. "Congress is full of crooks, but at least my Congressperson has morals".

he has an IQ? since when?

Zukariaa']I don't think Bush is stupid, I think he needs to learn how to communicate his ideas, and possibly start caring that no one in America wants to be in Iraq. :rolleyes:

And for those of you who didn't know that 105-115 was average.. I'm guessing yours is lower? I scored a 142 last year. :pIf 105-115 has become the average then the tests need to be readjusted as IQ isn't an absolute score, it's a relative score.

Zukariaa']:(

:p have a cookie. Don't be sad. I'm sure you'll get the knack of it eventually.

Liasia']:p have a cookie. Don't be sad. I'm sure you'll get the knack of it eventually.
Cookies!!! :eek:

Actually, its funny because I don't plan my outfit.. I just grap stuff and get dressed.

IQ +1

Zukariaa']Cookies!!! :eek:

Actually, its funny because I don't plan my outfit.. I just grap stuff and get dressed.

IQ +1Ego +1 ?
:rolleyes:

Ego +1 ?
:rolleyes:
Sure, why not?

I have the feeling you don't like me. :(

Zukariaa']Cookies!!! :eek:

Actually, its funny because I don't plan my outfit.. I just grap stuff and get dressed.

IQ +1

Pff, I don't even "dress". I just wear whatever.

One-Upmanship +1

Zukariaa']Cookies!!! :eek:

Actually, its funny because I don't plan my outfit.. I just grap stuff and get dressed.

IQ +1

'grap' stuff!? What did you say your IQ was?

Zukariaa']Sure, why not?

I have the feeling you don't like me. :(

Might be the boasting, or whatever.

Liasia']'grap' stuff!? What did you say your IQ was?
142.

IQ has nothing to do with whether you care about things or not. :p

Zukariaa']Sure, why not?

I have the feeling you don't like me. :(You seem Mensarish... It's still possible that you could redeem yourself. You haven't ranted about how stupid the general population is and the merits of having a guardian class as advocated by Plato.

Liasia']'grap' stuff!? What did you say your IQ was?

He didn't say, so his IQ is obviously 1, thanks to that little bit about him not planning out his attire.

Zukariaa']142.

IQ has nothing to do with whether you care about things or not. :p

True, true. I still want to know mine. Ive never taken an IQ test in controlled circumstances. probably end up as a negative:p

Liasia']True, true. I still want to know mine. Ive never taken an IQ test in controlled circumstances. probably end up as a negative:pJust take one of the internet ones. They're not timed, but should at least be accurate within a 10% range.

edit: and since you post on Nationstates and don't use leetspeak then it should at least be 100. Most on NS seem to be clever.

The Infinite Dunes-
I'm just proud of my IQ, is all. I'm not an ass. :)

Liasia-
They have us take one every 2 years in Las Vegas. I doubt you would have it in the negatives, because 35 and below is basically a vegetable. :p

Zukariaa']
Liasia-
They have us take one every 2 years in Las Vegas. I doubt you would have it in the negatives, because 35and below is basically a vegitable. :p

Certain parts of me resemble a carrot. *shrugs*

Just take one of the internet ones. They're not timed, but should at least be accurate within a 10% range.

Don't think so, because they vary so much. But i took one on tickle, and got 110. not too bad, methinks.

Liasia']Certain parts of me resemble a carrot. *shrugs*

...I don't even wanna know.

Liasia']Certain parts of me resemble a carrot. *shrugs*You're not a snowman are you? :eek:

You're not a snowman are you? :eek:
:eek: We might get the Nobel Prize for this one. :eek:

You're not a snowman are you? :eek:

Yes. Yes i am.

Zukariaa']:eek: We might get the Nobel Prize for this one. :eek:

*slap*

Liasia']Don't think so, because they vary so much. But i took one on tickle, and got 110. not too bad, methinks.Pretty good.

Zukariaa']:eek: We might get the Nobel Prize for this one. :eek:What are you on about?

What are you on about?

I think he was patronising you.:fluffle:

What are you on about?
Prolly ...

http://ghettobaby.net/Emoticons/linkedtocdixon061504changelinks/threadhijacked.gif

Like 70 I bet. x-x

It's in like, negative figures.

It's in like, negative figures.

I don't see you ruling a country. You have to admit, it was pretty clever of Bush to be born with so many connections.

Liasia']I think he was patronising you.:fluffle:Well I never can tell when people on this interweb thing are being less than serious. I need sarcasm tags :( ... And Straughn needs IMG tags. And Asbena needs to clarify if he's talking about Bush or himself. :p And I need to go to sleep.

:fluffle:

Liasia']I don't see you ruling a country. You have to admit, it was pretty clever of Bush to be born with so many connections.

Yeah, you gotta ask what wonderful things he did in his past life to be born into a presidential family, and what horrible things he did in his past life to have a speech impediment.

Well I never can tell when people on this interweb thing are being less than serious. I need sarcasm tags :( ... And Straughn needs IMG tags. And Asbena needs to clarify if he's talking about Bush or himself. :p And I need to go to sleep.

:fluffle:

Agreed. 2.45- score!!

Liasia']I don't see you ruling a country. You have to admit, it was pretty clever of Bush to be born with so many connections.


How can being born with connections make you clever? You're just lucky...in Bush's case, lucky and unfathomably stupid. :sniper: :mp5:

How can being born with connections make you clever?

Yes i know. Its called sarcasm.

How can being born with connections make you clever? You're just lucky...in Bush's case, lucky and unfathomably stupid. :sniper: :mp5:

He was lucky, but ya he's not even a good bulb. :D

Ooh, it's called sarcasm. And the sky is red, and the grass is pink, and Bush is a member of MENSA. :upyours:

Liasia']Agreed. 2.45- score!!What's the point in staying up this late though? I just do... I have no idea why. Maybe as it gets later my IQ decreases until I'm too stupid to think about going to bed until instead of being late at night it becomes the early morning and my intelligence returns and then I go to bed... maybe...

He was lucky, but ya he's not even a good bulb. :D

ya i kno seriusly.

(this is how Bush would spell "Yeah, I know, seriously")

Ooh, it's called sarcasm. And the sky is red, and the grass is pink, and Bush is a member of MENSA. :upyours:

*yes it is
*sometimes it is
*no it isn't
*im pretty sure he isn't
and :upyours: to you too

Ooh, it's called sarcasm. And the sky is red, and the grass is pink, and Bush is a member of MENSA. :upyours:

7 posts and you've already used both gun smilies and the up yours one? boy oh boy. :rolleyes:

What's the point in staying up this late though? I just do... I have no idea why. Maybe as it gets later my IQ decreases until I'm too stupid to think about going to bed until instead of being late at night it becomes the early morning and my intelligence returns and then I go to bed... maybe...

Im just enjoying the last late night of the holidays.

7 posts and you've already used both gun smilies and the up yours one? boy oh boy. :rolleyes:


Are you monitoring the smilies i use? :confused: (That's a new one)

Are you monitoring the smilies i use? :confused: (That's a new one)

No, it wouldn't be worth the effort.

Liasia']*yes it is
*sometimes it is
*no it isn't
*im pretty sure he isn't
and :upyours: to you tooSometimes grass is pink... if you let it grow long enough it starts to flower and I'm pretty sure it gets pink at some point... or is that sand dune grass... but that's still grass anyway... Bush may not be in Mensa, but he went to an Ivy league college and got an MBA. Which is almost as weird.

No, it wouldn't be worth the effort.

OOOO bitchslapped

So are we talking about George Bush's IQ back when he took hit SAT or are we talking about it now, many bottles of Jim Bean, nose fulls of cocaine and bicycle faceplants later?

I'm don't have high hopes about his IQ. I remember perhaps four years ago when he came back from one of his vacations and was boasting about having read a book. Not a good sign.

Sometimes grass is pink... if you let it grow long enough it starts to flower and I'm pretty sure it gets pink at some point... or is that sand dune grass... but that's still grass anyway... Bush may not be in Mensa, but he went to an Ivy league college and got an MBA. Which is almost as weird.

I heard American Colledges are all about money. With enough money and connections, anything is possible. Land of the free:rolleyes:

Liasia']OOOO bitchslapped


Shut the f*ck up.

And the only reason Bush got into an Ivy league college is because he was "clever enough" to be born with connections. :mad: :
p :p :sniper: :fluffle:

How many smilies is that bitch?

Liasia']Im just enjoying the last late night of the holidays.Oh god, what I wouldn't give to have some regular time tabled stuff in my life like work. I just sit here all day (and night) trying to get up the movtivation to do revision for my coming exams.

I personally think that giving Bush an IQ rating actually insults us that actually have an IQ!

I personally think that giving Bush an IQ rating actually insults us that actually have an IQ!


I couldn't agree more.

So are we talking about George Bush's IQ back when he took hit SAT or are we talking about it now, many bottles of Jim Bean, nose fulls of cocaine and bicycle faceplants later?

I'm don't have high hopes about his IQ. I remember perhaps four years ago when he came back from one of his vacations and was boasting about having read a book. Not a good sign.Oh, I remember one of the bicycle ones when he cycled into a Policeman at the G8 summit at Gleneagles. *giggles*

7 posts and you've already used both gun smilies and the up yours one? boy oh boy.


I'M ON TEH INTERNET!!!1


:sniper: :sniper: :gundge: :gundge:

:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:

Oh god, what I wouldn't give to have some regular time tabled stuff in my life like work. I just sit here all day (and night) trying to get up the movtivation to do revision for my coming exams.

Dude! Which ones are you doing? My first-year-of-6thform ones are coming up. Pain in the ass.

I'M ON TEH INTERNET!!!1


:sniper: :sniper: :gundge: :gundge:

:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:


lol

Shut the f*ck up.

And the only reason Bush got into an Ivy league college is because he was "clever enough" to be born with connections. :mad: :
p :p :sniper: :fluffle:

How many smilies is that bitch?

Too many, bitch:p .

lol

I think he's mocking you. :rolleyes:

Liasia']Dude! Which ones are you doing? My first-year-of-6thform ones are coming up. Pain in the ass.First year uni exams. I only need to pass, but I haven't done essay based exams in about 4 years. So I haven't got the confidence to pass them without doing any revision.

I'm not mocking him!!!


Check out the thread I started "Do you think Tom Cruise is on drugs?"

First year uni exams. I only need to pass, but I haven't done essay based exams in about 4 years. So I haven't got the confidence to pass them without doing any revision.

Cool. I can't wait to get out of this crappy school and into uni (gap year first tho).

I'm not mocking him!!!


Check out the thread I started "Do you think Tom Cruise is on drugs?"

No, he is mocking you.

Liasia']Cool. I can't wait to get out of this crappy school and into uni (gap year first tho).Oooh, gap years are amazing. If you haven't decided on what you want to do then my I recomend this
http://www.vso.org.uk/volunteering/youth/
Particularly the global xchange one. You get to work and meet with amazing people, volunteer and live in a developing country and it doesn't cost you anything. Great for people without money (like me).

I think you should shove a pie up your ass!:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:

Oooh, gap years are amazing. If you haven't decided on what you want to do then my I recomend this
http://www.vso.org.uk/volunteering/youth/
Particularly the global xchange one. You get to work and meet with amazing people, volunteer and live in a developing country and it doesn't cost you anything. Great for people without money (like me).

Awesome:). I honestly haven't got any clue what i want to do in the future. I figure there's no point worrying about it, as ill probably end up in marketing anyway.

I think you should shove a pie up your ass!:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:You kinky little fellow.

I think you should shove a pie up your ass!:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:

*counting smileys*
That's 10 more. Tut tut.

Liasia']Awesome:). I honestly haven't got any clue what i want to do in the future. I figure there's no point worrying about it, as ill probably end up in marketing anyway.


No, more likely your job will be outsourced to India and you'll end up scrubbing toilets.

Sorry today I'm filled with "sarcasm"

Liasia']So why do British schools not rely on them? I've never taken one in my whole school career- although i hear they are compulsory in the us

IQ tests are not cumpulsory in the US. But we have the SAT or Scholastic Aptitude Test, which is a stantardised college entrance exam. MENSA used to accept students who scored 1300+ up until January of 1994. But after the SAT was recentered MENSA no longer accepted the SAT as an effective measure of intelligence.

Bush's official IQ test score is somewhere around 95, and his dad's is around 98. I'm too busy eating popcorn shrimp to get a link at the moment, but another trusty Generalite should provide.

[Smiles an evil smile]

Oh, by all means I will provide but will you be happy that I did? :p

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html?ex=1256356800&en=50a1bcbb16e7cf21&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

"Mr. Bush's score on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test at age 22 again suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the 95th percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q. was about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's extrapolation of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called it a creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.

Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax".

Should I apologize for the fact that the karma of President Bush ran over the dogma of the Left? ;)

Liasia']*counting smileys*
That's 10 more. Tut tut.


Do you know how much you're pissing me off right now?

I think you should shove a pie up your ass! *snip*

That would be a waste of precious pie.

No, more likely your job will be outsourced to India and you'll end up scrubbing toilets.

Sorry today I'm filled with "sarcasm"

I already work scrubbing toilets. I work in burgerking. You say sarcasm as if its not a real word:eek:

Do you know how much you're pissing me off right now?

Lots? Ha i hope i am.

-snip-

If you'd bothered to read through the thread, you would've seen that Undelia already clarified this, and he wasn't an ass about it.

Aren't there a few public IQ-related statements by/about Bush?

"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating."
--U.S. News & World Report, April 3, 2000

"You don't need to be smart to be president"
--Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance o*n Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00

...and, to be fair and balanced, i should include "emotional IQ" ...
"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question"
--Reynoldsburg, Ohio, October 4, 2000

That would be a waste of precious pie.


true

Liasia']I already work scrubbing toilets. I work in burgerking. You say sarcasm as if its not a real word:eek:

sarcasm is friggin overrated

sarcasm is friggin overrated

Don't you mean 'sarcasm'?

The real idiot is not the President, it is the dumbfuck masses who allowed themselves to be duped by the culture of fear and VOTED this bastard into the White House; not once, but TWICE. Those are the real retards.:upyours:

George W Bush is a criminal.

Liasia']Don't you mean 'sarcasm'?
No, i mean """""""""""""sarcasm"""""""""""""""""""""

The real idiot is not the President, it is the dumbfuck masses who allowed themselves to be duped by the culture of fear and VOTED this bastard into the White House; not once, but TWICE. Those are the real retards.:upyours:

George W Bush is a criminal.


He's totally right! Fight the power motha fuckas!

Aren't there a few public IQ-related statements by/about Bush?

"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating."
--U.S. News & World Report, April 3, 2000

"You don't need to be smart to be president"
--Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance o*n Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00

...and, to be fair and balanced, i should include "emotional IQ" ...
"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question"
--Reynoldsburg, Ohio, October 4, 2000

LOL

Since we're on the subject, what would Bush's EQ be, higher or lower than his IQ?

I think he's mocking you. :rolleyes:

It's safe to assume that I'm mocking someone with every post. :)

No, i mean """""""""""""sarcasm"""""""""""""""""""""

Oh yeh, that.

LOL

Since we're on the subject, what would Bush's EQ be, higher or lower than his IQ?


um...i dont think he has an EQ

Liasia']Awesome:). I honestly haven't got any clue what i want to do in the future. I figure there's no point worrying about it, as ill probably end up in marketing anyway.I'm not really sure where I'm going either. I'm probably heading for the police or the civil service. IF I ever get an interview for the civil service I'm going to have to gag myself to myself from making 'yes, minister' references, which would surely lose me the job. I'm already using the stalling technique on one of my tutors.

If I work hard I shall become a moral vacuum. :)

if ur going into civil service, make sure 2 take lots and lots of bribes

I'm not really sure where I'm going either. I'm probably heading for the police or the civil service. IF I ever get an interview for the civil service I'm going to have to gag myself to myself from making 'yes, minister' references, which would surely lose me the job. I'm already using the stalling technique on one of my tutors.

If I work hard I shall become a moral vacuum. :)

Lol thats something to aspire to. The police would be cool, the civil service... not so much. Especially the way labour has set about reforming it.

It's safe to assume that I'm mocking someone with every post. :)

GAH! I'm being mocked! By every post of GM's! *runs around in paranoia* :p

GAH! I'm being mocked! By every post of GM's! *runs around in paranoia* :p


what a shock

If you'd bothered to read through the thread, you would've seen that Undelia already clarified this, and he wasn't an ass about it.

So you're saying that the current state of the poll should be taken as evidence that leftists all have reading comprehension problems in addition to their other woes? o_O

Duly noted. :p

That said, Undelia's unsupported claim that the President's IQ is 105 when the evidence points to his IQ being in the mid-120s isn't my idea of clarification.

You might also be interested in the fact that Steve Sailor, no fan of the President, also found that Mr. Kerry got worse grades than the President did as well. ^_^

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/06/my-article-on-john-f-kerrys-iq.html

Let the liberal cries of "IQ and grades don't matter" now begin! :D

Let the liberal cries of "IQ and grades don't matter" now begin! :D

I don't see why Americans need to paint their opposition as incompetent or morally bankrupt. All american politics seems to be based on ad-hominem attacks, without actually much combat over policies.

Liasia']I don't see why Americans need to paint their opposition as incompetent or morally bankrupt. All american politics seems to be based on ad-hominem attacks, without actually much combat over policies.

That's because if you actually compare the policies, they're so similar that you might just call them the same. Without the ad-hominem attacks, the people wouldn't know who to vote for.

That's because if you actually compare the policies, they're so similar that you might just call them the same. Without the ad-hominem attacks, the people wouldn't know who to vote for.

I noticed that. The democratic party over there is more right-wing than the uk conservative party!

Liasia']I don't see why Americans need to paint their opposition as incompetent or morally bankrupt. All american politics seems to be based on ad-hominem attacks, without actually much combat over policies.Not that different to politics in the UK. And people wonder why people are losing interest in politics.

Solarlandus: Go read this post http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10782452&postcount=131
The IQs you quoted were taken at age 22. Bush has since snorted lots of cocaine, been in cycle crashes, suffered from oxygen deprivation whilst choking on a pretzel, and suffered from alcoholism since. None of these things are really all that great for your brain.

Liasia']I noticed that. The democratic party over there is more right-wing than the uk conservative party!

Especially with the conservative backlash, the Democratic party is actually TRYING to move to be more right-wing.

That's because if you actually compare the policies, they're so similar that you might just call them the same. Without the ad-hominem attacks, the people wouldn't know who to vote for.They might have even voted Ross Perot in. Didn't he get a huge chunk of the vote, but no electoral votes in the end?

Especially with the conservative backlash, the Democratic party is actually TRYING to move to be more right-wing.

bastards:p

LOL

Since we're on the subject, what would Bush's EQ be, higher or lower than his IQ?
He had some book attributed to his ..er, sparse library a few years back ... something like ...

Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking by Malcolm Gladwell
...

I think he has more emotional range than he has intellectual range. Seriously. I mean, crying fits seem to summate every argument he has, even when the intellect AND facts aren't there to back him up! ;)

They might have even voted Ross Perot in. Didn't he get a huge chunk of the vote, but no electoral votes in the end?

The third party in the US will never get many votes even though they might have the best platform or even leader. It's like the third party in Canada. People either think their positions are too extreme, or thinks they would never have a chance, so they might as well use their vote in the lesser evil.

The third party in the US will never get many votes even though they might have the best platform or even leader. It's like the third party in Canada. People either think their positions are too extreme, or thinks they would never have a chance, so they might as well use their vote in the lesser evil.Perot got over 20% of the vote. And the Lib Dems in the UK got over 20% of the vote (compared to labour's 35%) in the last election but got less than 10% of the seats. PR might reinvigorate politics, by allowing more people a larger freedom of choice in who they vote for. And if Labour and the Tories had to form a coalition to form government... well, who cares? It's not like any policies would change significantly.

Considering the average American, I'll give him a 105-115. Yeah, opinion of my fellow countrymen isn't too high.

Mesa no think he can speak English

That would be a waste of precious pie.
*nod*

Bush's IQ is 172. When he took the test he only got 86 but since he finished in half the time he decided to double it.

Bush's IQ is 172. When he took the test he only got 86 but since he finished in half the time he decided to double it.
....and we have a contender for Winner of Thread!!!

....and we have a contender for Winner of Thread!!!

Oh, I think United O-Zone is doing quite well, don't you agree Lady?

135+......just look at what he is going to get away with, the man must be a genius.

Liasia']I don't see why Americans need to paint their opposition as incompetent or morally bankrupt. All american politics seems to be based on ad-hominem attacks, without actually much combat over policies.

There are several reasons for this. Some of them go back to the beginning of the Republic.

1. Unlike Europe there is a large body of genuinely independent voters who are beholden to no party and care little for ideology. With such voters their proudest saying is "I vote for the man, not for the party". In other words they are driven by admiration or contempt for the voter as an individual. It's not a bad policy since it ensures that no party dares present a candidate who falls below a certain level but it does mean that to a certain extent you either have to present your candidate as the greatest thing since slice bread, depict your opponents as the sort of people who are dumber than box of rocks and the type who would steal the pennys off a dead man's eye or both. Human nature being what it is they usually try to do both with rather mixed results. The attempts at character assasination go back to George Washington. There's peril in this of course because if the independent voters catch someone at it they make their judgement on their distaste for character assasinations. This was one of the things that sunk Kerry. The Bush Derangement Syndrome of his supporters had already made him unattractive to the general voters even before the Dan Rather forgeries came to light and when those forgeries were exposed on the blogs John Kerry and the rest of the Democrats looked like cheaters by extension as well.

2. By this time anyone who cares already knows where both parties stand. Republicans favor a strong America, are in favor of capitalism, and would like to make abortion illegal. Democrats are anti-military, are pro-union, and would like to see every mother visit an abortion clinic 20 times in her life (Just kidding on that last point but they do regard legal abortion as a sacrament that must never be questioned). Since neither party is going to change much most of the voters who care about issues have already lined themselves up. That throws us back to point #1 and explains why the independents matter. Again, this is entirely not a bad thing since character and competance do matter and any electorial process that doesn't shine some light on these things is going to leave a rotten state sooner or later.

3. We did inherit our political traditions from the British in the late 1600s and 1700s and in those days they weren't adverse to ad hominem attacks at all. From what I've seen of European politics neither Great Britain nor France nor Germany nor Italy are *entirely* innocent of such to this very day. I will note that the fact that the American Left had a lock on Academia, Hollywood and the Media meant that for a while they could get away with this better than the Right could and they built up quite a culture among themselves just on that alone. It doesn't serve them as well as it used to but they will rely upon it for a while yet to come before they learn too late that the Net exposes all. :D

4. Quite frankly, any party has its share of crybaby losers when an election doesn't go their way and the American Left is no exception to this. The more effective the opponent the nastier the stories the losers will make up off the top of their head. About 90% of any anti-Bush statement you read can be attributed simply to that. The venom they direct at him is a tribute to the fact that he towers over them like a giant over pygmies. And Oooooo, how those pygmies hate that particular giant. ^_~

Oh, I think United O-Zone is doing quite well, don't you agree Lady?
Well, i did say "contender" ...

besides, they who govern best, govern least. Or politick. Or orate. Something like that ;)

Well, i did say "contender" ...

besides, they who govern best, govern least. Or politick. Or orate. Something like that ;)

You madman, you are calling Bush a good leader...he doesn't govern, his minions do it for him :p

You madman, you are calling Bush a good leader...he doesn't govern, his minions do it for him :p:eek:
No no NO i'm not calling Bush a "good leader" by any stretch of the imagination (see Google : "failure")
I meant 'tween the contenders for "Winner of Thread"!

Ack! Don't soil my rep!

Solarlandus: Go read this post http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10782452&postcount=131
The IQs you quoted were taken at age 22. Bush has since snorted lots of cocaine, been in cycle crashes, suffered from oxygen deprivation whilst choking on a pretzel, and suffered from alcoholism since. None of these things are really all that great for your brain.

Brains in Tanks gave no evidence to support his assertions. Nor have you. IQ is the sort of thing that stays steady throughout life. If it were otherwise do you think many college graduates, including the PHDs (Perhaps *especially* the PHDs! :eek: ) would still be functional? :p

:eek:
No no NO i'm not calling Bush a "good leader" by any stretch of the imagination (see Google : "failure")
I meant 'tween the contenders for "Winner of Thread"!

Ack! Don't soil my rep!

I only jested..:p

IQ is the sort of thing that stays steady throughout life. If it were otherwise do you think many college graduates, including the PHDs (Perhaps *especially* the PHDs! :eek: ) would still be functional? :p
Actually i'd say there's a pretty solid case to argue the inconsistency of IQ over time and experience, but i'm not going to look up some stats while 24 is on.

I only jested..:p
Yeah, but you know how Republican cadence is ... the appearance of corruption ...

http://wickedstageact2.typepad.com/life_on_the_wicked_stage_/quote_notes/index.html

Rep. John Shadegg in an interview about his chances to win the Republican leadership position vacated by Tom Delay, when asked about his own ethical problems as compared to his two opponents, said this:

"I think my record, the level of taint is dramatically different than either of them."

To the 39 people who think bush has an 85 IQ and, being a borderline retard, got an MBA from Harvard you really should stop reading these forums and go try to get one since you are all so smart.

To the 39 people who think bush has an 85 IQ and, being a borderline retard, got an MBA from Harvard you really should stop reading these forums and go try to get one since you are all so smart.
Touchy, touchy ... sounds like someone's got a case of the "rejection wallpaper"s

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm
I think that got mentioned already.

Obviously greater than yours, seeing as you believe in IQ tests.

Good one! I totaly agree.

To the 39 people who think bush has an 85 IQ and, being a borderline retard, got an MBA from Harvard you really should stop reading these forums and go try to get one since you are all so smart.

The man who drops out of High School, works at and later runs a coffee shop, and ultimately writes a book on philosophy (published or not) is a thousand times more intelligent than the man who aces HS, and college all the way to an MD and then shows up in the OR everyday dead-drunk.

The amount of education one has had is not a good indicator of one's overall intelligence.

I think that got mentioned already.

Hmm... How about this then:

http://www.gratis-ting.dk/ny/spilfilm/vis.php?id=3065&mode=view&tilbage=ok

The man who drops out of High School, works at and later runs a coffee shop, and ultimately writes a book on philosophy (published or not) is a thousand times more intelligent than the man who aces HS, and college all the way to an MD and then shows up in the OR everyday dead-drunk.

The amount of education one has had is not a good indicator of one's overall intelligence.

This scenario sounds almost too specific to be made up. Is there someone specific you know, maybe yourself, that dropped out of HS, runs a coffee shop, and wrote an unpublished book on philosophy?

This scenario sounds almost too specific to be made up. Is there someone specific you know, maybe yourself, that dropped out of HS, runs a coffee shop, and wrote an unpublished book on philosophy?

No. I'm just two years into college and wondering what the hell I'm doing here. :p

bush's iq doesn't really matter since he's just rumsfield, rove and chaeney's puppet and poster boy anyway. only the idiots who still support him who aren't part of his inner circle immagine he's actualy running anything.

=^^=
.../\...

Bush's real gift is emotional intelligence. He understands what motives certain people to action. He knows how to prey on fear. He knows the difference between someone who talks big and who'll vote. He's a pretty shitty excuse for a human being, has a poor ability to plan, and genuinly believes in magic. None of that is particularly valuable to me. But his ability to read and shape people trumps all that. And it probably always will. Which in and of itself (to my mind) is conclusive proof that whatever designer one might imagine certainly was anything but intelligent.

Brains in Tanks gave no evidence to support his assertions. Nor have you. IQ is the sort of thing that stays steady throughout life. If it were otherwise do you think many college graduates, including the PHDs (Perhaps *especially* the PHDs! :eek: ) would still be functional? :pOn average it stays the same. If you drink heavily or take a lot of drugs you will damage your brain and your IQ.

And I didn't give any 'evidence' because it was all well covered by the media at the time and you'd have to be stupid or in a coma to have missed it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_substance_abuse_controversy
This is the alcohol and drug abuse stuff with relevant references.

Here is Bush after a crash near his Ranch in Texas
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/148/1055/320/bush_bike_crash.1.jpg
And after being cleaned up
http://www.totalbike.com/news/images/2004/bush_crash.jpg
And an article on Bush's crash at Gleneagles
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4756054.stm

Probably somewhere around his approval rating.

Too Lazy to go through the whole thread to see if this joke has been made already.

But seriously even though I support most of his policies I definately think there is some kind of power behind the throne going on. Unless, he's just faking us all out and pretending to be dumb so that he can take over the country or even the world. I know I live in Canada but I am American, too so I can talk.

Bush's official IQ test score is somewhere around 95, and his dad's is around 98. I'm too busy eating popcorn shrimp to get a link at the moment, but another trusty Generalite should provide.

Yeah I saw that a few years ago. nixons was about that as well. only those 3 were below average, while kennedy and clinton were over 150.

He's probably well above average... his inability to speak in public shouldn't be seen as evidence of low/average IQ.

He's obviously not a genius, so 150-170+ is out of the question. But I'd bet if he wer to take an IQ test today, he'd get something like 125-135. The guy, like most politicians, could probably get head from almost any woman in a bar, simply by flashing his interpersonal charm... something that many politicians have in abundance.

bush's iq doesn't really matter since he's just rumsfield, rove and chaeney's puppet and poster boy anyway. only the idiots who still support him who aren't part of his inner circle immagine he's actualy running anything.

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...and you've elicited such information from Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rove?

You might be right... but don't think that you know his actions are functions of their prodding. What happens behind closed doors in the White House cannot be known to those of us who aren't witnesses to it.

96 - Russian average
97 - Canadian average
98 - US average
100 - Uk average
105 - Japanese average
107 - Hong Kong (PRC) average

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ

...and you've elicited such information from Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rove?

You might be right... but don't think that you know his actions are functions of their prodding. What happens behind closed doors in the White House cannot be known to those of us who aren't witnesses to it.
Like they say: If it walks like a duck/idiot and quacks like a duck/idiot, it is a duck/bush.

96 - Russian average
97 - Canadian average
98 - US average
100 - Uk average
105 - Japanese average
107 - Hong Kong (PRC) average

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ

Obviously, literacy is a factor.

Well, if Wikipedia says it then it must be true.

Obviously, literacy is a factor.Really? I thought Russia had near 100% literacy rates? In fact, don't all ex-USSR states have near 100% literacy rates?

Really? I thought Russia had near 100% literacy rates? In fact, don't all ex-USSR states have near 100% literacy rates?
Yes really. (where are those owls when u need them :mad: ) It is not the only factor though. What do you think is the reason Equatorial Guinea scores 59? Because they is black?

Because they don't pump enough funds into education. Most developing countries have low average IQs because half the population are too poor to go to school.

Because they don't pump enough funds into education. Most developing countries have low average IQs because half the population are too poor to go to school.
What does school have to do with intelligence?

Yes really. (where are those owls when u need them :mad: ) It is not the only factor though. What do you think is the reason Equatorial Guinea scores 59? Because they is black?Poor diet? Isn't that supposed to be one of the major contributing factors? It's just than you mentioned that literacy as being a factor and of the 6 posted all have >99% literacy rates.

Isn't europeanishness a factor as well? Which is what makes the whole IQ thing a litte suspect.

Like they say: If it walks like a duck/idiot and quacks like a duck/idiot, it is a duck/bush.

then by your implication, you're saying that Rove, Cheney and Rummy are idiots?

Those guys are all probably higher in "normal" intelligence than President Bush.

You know he's headstrong/stubborn.

He has the power, they don't.

Are you certain, without EVIDENCE, that he follows their lead as opposed to vice-versa?

Based on his demeanor, I bet he's the guy leading the discussions, even if he doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. hehe

What does school have to do with intelligence?

Um, you learn at school. You learn how to solve problems, if you don't exersise your brain regularly your IQ won't improve.

Poor diet? Isn't that supposed to be one of the major contributing factors? It's just than you mentioned that literacy as being a factor and of the 6 posted all have >99% literacy rates.

Isn't europeanishness a factor as well? Which is what makes the whole IQ thing a litte suspect.
I was referring to the wiki source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ). The posted link with a list.

Europeanity sure helps.

Um, you learn at school. You learn how to solve problems, if you don't exersise your brain regularly your IQ won't improve.

sure, but success in school is not necessarily indicative of high IQ

for instance:

Person A (IQ 140) studies less than 5 minutes per day, skips half his classes, and has a 2.0 GPA.

Person B (IQ 100) studies 3 hours per day, attends every class, and has a 2.5 GPA.

Based on GPA (grade point average, to non-USians), which is the main quantitative measuring stick for success in school, one would say that Person B is a more successful student than Person A.

Of course he isn't smarter than Person A...

then by your implication, you're saying that Rove, Cheney and Rummy are idiots?

Those guys are all probably higher in "normal" intelligence than President Bush.

You know he's headstrong/stubborn.

He has the power, they don't.

Are you certain, without EVIDENCE, that he follows their lead as opposed to vice-versa?

Based on his demeanor, I bet he's the guy leading the discussions, even if he doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. hehe

1. Am I?
2. What brand of intelligence is prez bush high in?
3. Who has the (de facto) power? New thread material, clearly.
4. Of course not. Are you certain, without evidence, that the conspiracy theories are false?
5. What was the name of that prince in Blackadder?

I was referring to the wiki source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ). The posted link with a list.

Europeanity sure helps.Haha, did you read how they amassed the data? For some places they just took the average of the surrounding countries' IQs and for China they just took Shanghai's average IQ and arbitarily took of 6 points because they thought people living in rural China would have a lower IQ. How very scientific...

edit: and in the crtique section most of the coutries included didn't actually have any IQ studies, and for those that did the studies often only included a couple of hundred people.

Haha, did you read how they amassed the data? For some places they just took the average of the surrounding countries' IQs and for China they just took Shanghai's average IQ and arbitarily took of 6 points because they thought people living in rural China would have a lower IQ. How very scientific...
hey if it gives you the desired result...

hey if it gives you the desired result...I'm hoping that's sarcasm, and I think it is... but to be honnest I can't be sure... :(

I'm hoping that's sarcasm, and I think it is... but to be honnest I can't be sure... :(
Me neither, actually...:(

I'm sorry i can't find 5 as an option i mean the guy has more scandals than crators on the moon

I'm sorry i can't find 5 as an option i mean the guy has more scandals than crators on the moon

How are scandals related to performance on an IQ test?

I'm sorry i can't find 5 as an option i mean the guy has more scandals than crators on the moonPerhaps a better analogy would be that he has more scandals than Clinton. Those republicans threw everything they had at him to try and expose true and false scandals... including the kitchen sink.

How are scandals related to performance on an IQ test?In that you're not clever enough to do a decent coverup job?

Me neither, actually...:(:eek: No if even you don't know then that's scary.

In that you're not clever enough to do a decent coverup job?
Or in that you're clever enough to know that scandals don't really make a difference, if you run a decent cost-benefit analysis.

In that you're not clever enough to do a decent coverup job?

I've not seen an IQ test yet that demands the candidate to deliver some form of political rhetoric.

This is a trick question right? Hes got to be gods gift to the retards:headbang:

1. Am I?
2. What brand of intelligence is prez bush high in?
3. Who has the (de facto) power? New thread material, clearly.
4. Of course not. Are you certain, without evidence, that the conspiracy theories are false?
5. What was the name of that prince in Blackadder?

yes, you (or someone else. if it was someone else, accept my apology. hehe) said that president Bush is a puppet of Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove. So if you think that president Bush is an idiot, then you must also think that the former three are also idiots.

2. Emotional intelligence. He was probably a good high school student, was an average student at Yale (though better than Kerry), etc... he's not a genius in the traditional sense. He's a politician -- a schmoozer.

3. President Bush has the power. He's the head of the executive 9by definition). Rummy and Cheney could withhold things from him, I suppose, which would diminish his real power (as knowledge = power. hehe), but on its face (per se), he has the power to act... they can only recommend.

4. I forgot what conspiracy theories I reputedly attempted to refute (can't see them in the quote). hehe

5. No idea. IS Blackadder a person, place or thing?

:)

5. What was the name of that prince in Blackadder?


George.

yes, you (or someone else. if it was someone else, accept my apology. hehe) said that president Bush is a puppet of Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove. So if you think that president Bush is an idiot, then you must also think that the former three are also idiots.

2. Emotional intelligence. He was probably a good high school student, was an average student at Yale (though better than Kerry), etc... he's not a genius in the traditional sense. He's a politician -- a schmoozer.

3. President Bush has the power. He's the head of the executive 9by definition). Rummy and Cheney could withhold things from him, I suppose, which would diminish his real power (as knowledge = power. hehe), but on its face (per se), he has the power to act... they can only recommend.

4. I forgot what conspiracy theories I reputedly attempted to refute (can't see them in the quote). hehe

5. No idea. IS Blackadder a person, place or thing?

:)
1. wasn't me
2. okay
3. okay
4. conspiracy theories in general...nevermind, just chattering about subjectivity of everything...superficial academic bullsh of mine
5. person in an old tv show by same name, british, horribly funny, including an intellectually challenged nobleman...A must-see. Before hitchhikersguide.

Hes rediculous, and u guys revoted him in... u deserve what you get from that moron

I've not seen an IQ test yet that demands the candidate to deliver some form of political rhetoric.What use is testing IQ if it can't be applied?
Or in that you're clever enough to know that scandals don't really make a difference, if you run a decent cost-benefit analysis.The cynicism is killing me... but only because it's true. :(

What use is testing IQ if it can't be applied?


IQ's only applied within the context of an IQ test, or school examination. They don't measure genuine intelligence any more so than reality TV prepares you for the world.

Liasia']So why do British schools not rely on them? I've never taken one in my whole school career- although i hear they are compulsory in the us

As a Brit, I can say British schools DO NOT rely or use IQ tests. They test the children constantly though...