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I say rap. If thats even music. Because I think its not music.
Whats your least favourite?

What kind of music does Bjork sing? I choose that one.

Country ... at least rap usualy has a beat

I say rap. If thats even music. Because I think its not music.
Whats your least favourite?

If half-music counts? Rap. If only true music counts? Emo (and that's pushing the "real music" part)

Rap is music.

Polka is questionable.

Country ... at least rap usualy has a beat
Agreed. Country sucks.

Country ... at least rap usualy has a beat

And so does country, at least all I've heard.

Polka is questionable.
Tummel.

And so does country, at least all I've heard.
Dont know gets lost behind the bad vocals and horrible gutar work

Whoever invented that steel gutar sound should be shot

Conveyer belt pop.

Rap is music.

Polka is questionable.
No its not music.

House/rave/whatever the hell you wanna call it.
Just don't call it music.

I'd say "Crap music" is the worst. What is Crap? simple. just combine country and rap, and what does it spell? "CRAP."

Conveyer belt pop.
what the norway is that??

what the norway is that??
Mass-produced pop bands, I think.

No its not music.

By every definition of music, rap is music.

However, if you think it's not music, then you can't call it the worst "music genre". So there. If it's the worst, you agree that it is music. Pwned.

for me it's (modern) r'n'b and death metal. modern r'n'b is an abomination of hiphop and soul; death metal is just so much angry white noise.

I'd say "Crap music" is the worst. What is Crap? simple. just combine country and rap, and what does it spell? "CRAP."
actually crap music is another way to say rap.

death metal

*shudder*

Whatever type O-zone do.

Dragostea Din Tei is the worst song I've ever heard yet I keep listening to it...

By every definition of music, rap is music.

However, if you think it's not music, then you can't call it the worst "music genre". So there. If it's the worst, you agree that it is music. Pwned.
No. rap is just words. It stands for nothing, and sounds nothing like what anyone with a positive IQ would call music.

Mass-produced pop bands, I think.
Not necessarily bands, but yes.

Anyone who owes their success to a tv show, any band that were put together by their management, anything related to Stock Aitken Waterman, etc, etc.

Dragostea Din Tei is the worst song I've ever heard yet I keep listening to it...
I talked to a Romanian, and the lyrics actually mean something. Just so you know its not heartless clubby music.

death metal is just so much angry white noise.
Of course it is. :rolleyes:

Whatever type O-zone do.

Dragostea Din Tei is the worst song I've ever heard yet I keep listening to it...
I know that this numa numa song sucks. And there is proof (http://www.freeaddictinggames.com/game/flash-movies/numa-gone-wild.html).

Anything that isnt by Madonna Stinks. I dont mind Pink,Enya,Gwens Stephoni!
Check this out!
http://madonna.com

No. rap is just words. It stands for nothing, and sounds nothing like what anyone with a positive IQ would call music.

Rap is more than just words. It requires tone, cadence, and rythm. It also does stand for something. I don't understand the message behind 90% of country, but that doesn't make country "not music".

Saying you don't like rap is one thing. You're entitled to that. However, redefining the term "music" to suit your personal tastes is wrong. Rap is music. You may not like it, but it is music.

Anything that isnt by Madonna Stinks.
Even pink floyd??

Rap is more than just words. It requires tone, cadence, and rythm. It also does stand for something. I don't understand the message behind 90% of country, but that doesn't make country "not music".

Saying you don't like rap is one thing. You're entitled to that. However, redefining the term "music" to suit your personal tastes is wrong. Rap is music. You may not like it, but it is music.
No. I am not bending definitions. I am just simply noticing that rap does not fit with the definition of music.

Porn Groove.

I know that this numa numa song sucks. And there is proof (http://www.freeaddictinggames.com/game/flash-movies/numa-gone-wild.html).
Their very own video is proof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhMh17MK-SA&search=O-Zone). Good try though.

Of course it is. :rolleyes:

therefore, i don't like it.

Anything that isnt by Madonna Stinks. I dont mind Pink,Enya,Gwens Stephoni!
Check this out!
http://madonna.com
O_o

somebody needs some serious taste in music...

No. I am not bending definitions. I am just simply noticing that rap does not fit with the definition of music.

Music:
1. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
2. Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.
3.
1. A musical composition.
2. The written or printed score for such a composition.
3. Such scores considered as a group: We keep our music in a stack near the piano.
4. A musical accompaniment.
5. A particular category or kind of music.
6. An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound or combination of sounds: the music of the wind in the pines.

It fits definitions 1, 2, and 5.

Rap:

1. Slang. A talk, conversation, or discussion.
2.
1. A form of popular music developed especially in African-American urban communities and characterized by spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics with a syncopated, repetitive rhythmic accompaniment.
2. A composition or performance of such music.


The facts disagree with you. Sorry.

Oh, and I am a music teacher. I'm pretty qualified in this regard.

Even pink floyd??
Yes including pink floyed. If it isnt Madonna it stinks!

No. I am not bending definitions. I am just simply noticing that rap does not fit with the definition of music.

No, it actually does. Sorry. If your definitions make rap not music, that is because your definitions are lacking or you are interpreting them in an ignorant manner. Just because you don't like a genre of music does NOT mean it isn't music.

Music:
1. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
2. Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.
3.
1. A musical composition.
2. The written or printed score for such a composition.
3. Such scores considered as a group: We keep our music in a stack near the piano.
4. A musical accompaniment.
5. A particular category or kind of music.
6. An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound or combination of sounds: the music of the wind in the pines.

It fits definitions 1, 2, and 5.

Rap:

1. Slang. A talk, conversation, or discussion.
2.
1. A form of popular music developed especially in African-American urban communities and characterized by spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics with a syncopated, repetitive rhythmic accompaniment.
2. A composition or performance of such music.


The facts disagree with you. Sorry.

Oh, and I am a music teacher. I'm pretty qualified in this regard.
So your a dictionary geek.

No, it actually does. Sorry. If your definitions make rap not music, that is because your definitions are lacking or you are interpreting them in an ignorant manner. Just because you don't like a genre of music does NOT mean it isn't music.
Poland is in eastern europe, not scandinavia.

Its so terrible, its good! Hahahaha! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWA3dxFfqng&search=O-Zone)

Rap and country tie for being so horrible I won't listen to them.

Poland is in eastern europe, not scandinavia.

But I like Poland about as much as I like Scandinavia.

And we're defining things by our preferences, are we not?

Yes including pink floyed. If it isnt Madonna it stinks!
no pink floyd? BLASPHEMY!

Their very own video is proof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhMh17MK-SA&search=O-Zone). Good try though.

That is quite possibly the single gayest thing I have ever seen in my entire life. I believe I am now 8% more gay from having watched it.

That is quite possibly the single gayest thing I have ever seen in my entire life. I believe I am now 8% more gay from having watched it.

But doesn't being 108% actually mean you're *straight* again?

Yes including pink floyed. If it isnt Madonna it stinks!
you heretic! Pink Floyd was the gratest band to ever exist! and you say the suck.

Yes including pink floyed. If it isnt Madonna it stinks!
The only people who like Madonna are homosexuals and teenagers in desperately uncool third world countries who don't realize that America has moved on from the Madonna phase.

But doesn't being 108% actually mean you're *straight* again?

CRAP! Now I have to start all over. *sigh*

*runs off to find Fass*

That's really a tough one. There is just so much music that never should have been made to begin with if you ask me. However, if I had to pick just one genre, I'd probably say rap, with country not far behind.

America has moved on from the Madonna phase.
so has all of europe.

CRAP! Now I have to start all over. *sigh*

*runs off to find Fass*

There must be some sort of Godwin's Law for Fass and gayness. As time goes on, the probability of any thread that mentions homosexuality will turn to Fass increases 1.

It seems that rap is getting a lot of thumbs down here. I think that's unjustified. A lot of rap that's in the mainstream is actually awful (in fact, it could probably be argued that all rap in the mainstream is awful), but that doesn't make all rap awful. There's a hell of a lot of 'underground' rap that isn't all that bad. I'm not too well acquainted with it to be able to list artists as it's not one of my preferred genres, but generalisation is always a bad thing.

I like a lot of different types of music depending on my mood that includes Rap, Jazz, classical, Punk etc I really dislike Irish show bands and Irish Country and Western. I am also greatly irritated by R&B (not the original the irritatingly sappy tosh that is fed to us constantly by radio stations with taste bypass DJ's. At the moment I am listening to Muse, Salif Keita, Arctic Monkeys and Mary Coughlan. :cool:

So your a dictionary geek.
Only when you insist on messing up deffinitions

The only people who like Madonna are homosexuals and teenagers in desperately uncool third world countries who don't realize that America has moved on from the Madonna phase.
I think that's a bit unfair. Not much, but a bit.

The only people who like Madonna are homosexuals and teenagers in desperately uncool third world countries who don't realize that America has moved on from the Madonna phase.
and retards

Any mainstream pop culture music being made these days. Not exaggerating, it's all absolutely disgusting. I'm appalled that people are entertained by it. I don't know what to say about society these days.

Only when you insist on messing up deffinitions
Let keruvalia answer the question.

So your a dictionary geek.

No, I'm a composer, a songwriter, a musician, and a music teacher. I don't like it when people decide what is and is not music based on emotion rather than fact. A little education goes a long way.

It seems that rap is getting a lot of thumbs down here. I think that's unjustified.

I do too. Chances are most likely the people giving the thumbs down to rap have only heard the mumbling thumping from someone's system as they drove by and have not actually explored the rap genre to form an educated opinion on the matter.

No, I'm a composer, a songwriter, a musician, and a music teacher. I don't like it when people decide what is and is not music based on emotion rather than fact. A little education goes a long way.
Actually I am basing it on fact.

Actually I am basing it on fact.

What fact? You've shown no facts. "Cuz I says so" is not fact.

I say rap. If thats even music. Because I think its not music.
Whats your least favourite?

I agree. It does have elements of music but I'd say it's more poetry than music. I think it evolved from the beatnik poets accompanied by bongos.

Out of the innergalactic blackness of space
comes the mustard plaster.
But fear not the mustard plaster
for hear the grapefruit sing.

garage. and drum and bass.

What fact? You've shown no facts. "Cuz I says so" is not fact.
I never put the phrase "cuz I say so" in any of my posts.

I agree. It does have elements of music but I'd say it's more poetry than music. I think it evolved from the beatnik poets accompanied by bongos.

Actually, it evolved from slave spirituals. Poetry, when read properly, also falls into the category of music. Poetry has cadence, rythm, and even tone. It isn't just speaking.

I never put the phrase "cuz I say so" in any of my posts.

It's implied. You've offered no evidence to back your claim. None whatsoever. You only say it's not music because you don't like it.

It's implied. You've offered no evidence to back your claim. None whatsoever. You only say it's not music because you don't like it.
You're lying!

Actually, it evolved from slave spirituals. Poetry, when read properly, also falls into the category of music. Poetry has cadence, rythm, and even tone. It isn't just speaking.
Your definition is too wide.

Actually, it evolved from slave spirituals. Poetry, when read properly, also falls into the category of music. Poetry has cadence, rythm, and even tone. It isn't just speaking.

Okay. I stand corrected. Poetry and music are the same thing. Silly me.

You're lying!

How can I be lying? The whole thread is still here for everyone to see. Quote any post in this thread where you have offered one single shred of evidence that rap is not music.

Your definition is too wide.

It's not my definition, it is the dictionary's definition. I do not make up my own definition for words.

I say rap. If thats even music. Because I think its not music.
Whats your least favourite?

Country.

Rap can have an excellent beat to dance to.

Okay. I stand corrected. Poetry and music are the same thing. Silly me.
when read properly

Like the post you quoted says ...

Rap is the worst!

It's not my definition, it is the dictionary's definition. I do not make up my own definition for words.
never use an american dictionary.

Rap. Country isn't bad, but isn't good either. Emo isn't as bad as rap.

Okay. I stand corrected. Poetry and music are the same thing. Silly me.
I truly hope thats sarcasm.

Okay. I stand corrected. Poetry and music are the same thing. Silly me.
You obviously didn't understand Keruvalia's point which was that poetry can be music, when read properly. At no point did s/he(?...y'know, I don't know) say that they were the same thing.

never use an american dictionary.
Why?

Rap. Country isn't bad, but isn't good either. Emo isn't as bad as rap.
what the norway is emo??

never use an american dictionary.

"Music" is an English word, so I will use an English dictionary. Rap is American music, hence I will use an American dictionary.

Do you have some other dictionary you'd care to share with the group, or are you going to continue being deliberately obtuse?

"Music" is an English word, so I will use an English dictionary. Rap is American music, hence I will use an American dictionary.

Do you have some other dictionary you'd care to share with the group, or are you going to continue being deliberately obtuse?

My money's on the latter.

Why?
definitions are wide and misleading. Also they have the word colour spelled not correctly.

definitions are wide and misleading. Also they have the word colour spelled not correctly.
WTF? Care to share how an "English" dictionary differs in the deffinition of music or are you purposly being obtuse with nothing to back it up?

definitions are wide and misleading. Also they have the word colour spelled not correctly.

So you think every individual should define words their own way? How would you communicate with anyone about anything?! You wouldn't even be able to give directions to anywhere because what you call a kilometer might be different than the listener's.

when read properly

Like the post you quoted says ...
That's nice. So now we've lowered the definition of music to the standard that a concept of melody is no longer even important . So a person can be totally tone-deaf, unable to repeat a series of musical tones, stand there and bullshit and call themselves a musician. How much lower can we go?

definitions are wide and misleading. Also they have the word colour spelled not correctly.Free Spanish contrapulated dolphins.
(Or: "Definitions are your friend" if you use the traditional definitions)

My money's on the latter.

Mine too.

what the norway is emo??
Someone has been living under a rock for the past few years, apparently.

what the norway is emo??
I think it's short for 'emotional hardcore'. Basically, it's derived from hardcore, but focuses on less 'edged' music and 'softer' lyrics. Its heyday was the 90s with bands like Weezer, ATD-I, etc. Now the term has been hijacked by whingy white middle class American bands complaining that their mommy knocked $5 off their allowance. Thursday and Taking Back Sunday are prime examples.

So a person can be totally tone-deaf, unable to repeat a series of musical tones, stand there and bullshit and call themselves a musician.

Yes indeed, or maybe you missed the last 60 years of music.

That's nice. So now we've lowered the definition of music to the standard that a concept of melody is no longer even important . So a person can be totally tone-deaf, unable to repeat a series of musical tones, stand there and bullshit and call themselves a musician. How much lower can we go?
You know all that other things like complex rythems and cadance

Just because you dont care for it does not mean that the deffinition should not cover it

Hell I dont even listen to rap and it fits the deffinition. My personal tastes should not dictate deffinition

That's nice. So now we've lowered the definition of music to the standard that a concept of melody is no longer even important .

Melody is only one possible aspect of music.

Ligeti’s "Lux Aeterna" has no discernable melody, would you say it's not music?

Click to listen to a bit of it. (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefMedia.aspx?refid=121644411)

Someone has been living under a rock for the past few years, apparently.:rolleyes:
"Emo" is only really used in American and perhaps British English. It hasn't gotten to "old" OR "new" Europe.

So you think every individual should define words their own way? How would you communicate with anyone about anything?! You wouldn't even be able to give directions to anywhere because what you call a kilometer might be different than the listener's.
Wow. she's to dumb to understand my posts.

For the last time I am not saying that.

Besides, having definitions that are too wide will lead to that problem you are talking about in your post.

That's nice. So now we've lowered the definition of music to the standard that a concept of melody is no longer even important . So a person can be totally tone-deaf, unable to repeat a series of musical tones, stand there and bullshit and call themselves a musician. How much lower can we go?
No. Reading poetry is one thing. Fuck it, I could go into the streets and read poetry. Reading poetry properly is something completely different. A true poet will choose words and phrases that have certain sounds etc. and will use scansion as a key part of the whole thing. The way it such a poet's work is read can have a profound impact on the poem.

I think it's short for 'emotional hardcore'. Basically, it's derived from hardcore, but focuses on less 'edged' music and 'softer' lyrics. Its heyday was the 90s with bands like Weezer, ATD-I, etc. Now the term has been hijacked by whingy white middle class American bands complaining that their mommy knocked $5 off their allowance. Thursday and Taking Back Sunday are prime examples.
I agree with you. When Emo was fresh, new, crisp, when bands like Weezer were the only Emo bands out there, Emo was pretty damn good. Then it was hijacked by people who really don't understand what it means to be Emo. Now it's gone to shit.

Free Spanish contrapulated dolphins.
(Or: "Definitions are your friend" if you use the traditional definitions)
I was talking specificallyabout american dictionaries, not definitions themselves.

Wow. she's to dumb to understand my posts.


He. And that's called "flaming" and is unacceptable here.

Besides, having definitions that are too wide will lead to that problem you are talking about in your post.

You realise you have not even offered your own definition of "music" to make an attempt to counter mine? Who's really the dumb one in this conversation?

I was talking specificallyabout american dictionaries, not definitions themselves.
Yet you have yet to show any evidence of such

I was talking specificallyabout american dictionaries, not definitions themselves.The American dictionaries I have at home aren't any different from the British dictionaries I have at home, except for perhaps words like "honor" and "honour"...

The American dictionaries I have at home aren't any different from the British dictionaries I have at home, except for perhaps words like "honor" and "honour"...
Yeah I somehow doubt that the deffinition will be "Wider"

Probably why no evidence has yet been posted

Well this thread has led to a big bowl of nothing, maybe it is National Idiot Day.

Anyways, Country is my least favorite genre although I don't think it is a bad type of music. I like it, I just like it less than everything else.

Yeah I somehow doubt that the deffinition will be "Wider"

Probably why no evidence has yet been postedNow that I think about it, a British dictionary has a wider definition of the word "torch" than an American one...:p

Yeah I somehow doubt that the definition will be "Wider"

Probably why no evidence has yet been posted
Can you not spell?!?!?!

Now that I think about it, a British dictionary has a wider definition of the word "torch" than an American one...:p
Oh? (I dont have access to one here myself unless you know of a good online one lol)

Melody is only one possible aspect of music.

Ligeti’s "Lux Aeterna" has no discernable melody, would you say it's not music?

Click to listen to a bit of it. (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefMedia.aspx?refid=121644411)

I listened to Ligeti quite a bit after I was exposed to his music from the 2001 A Space Odyssey sound track. I'm sure that if you listen to the whole piece instead of just the snippet that you linked you'd realize that all the elements of music are there. Atonal doesn't mean absence of melody. It simply means an absence of "do".
Btw..everything I've written here is music by the standards set forth in this thread. When read "properly", whatever the hell that means.

Oh? (I dont have access to one here myself unless you know of a good online one lol)
Well, considering that the British don't just define "torch" as "a burning stick", but also as a "battery powered, hand held light", I'd wager that qualifies as "wider".

Oh? (I dont have access to one here myself unless you know of a good online one lol)

That's why I use dictionary.com. It's global in its defintions.

Torch (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=torch)

Can you not spell?!?!?!
Not particularly well no ... and in a completely text based FreeBSD machine right now while my north bridge fan is down on my main machine so I don't have spell check ability (hmmm wonder if I could run it through a-spell)

Anyways whats your point? unlike the definition of our terminology my spelling mistakes (at least in this case) hardly impairs correct communication

Melody is only one possible aspect of music.

Ligeti’s "Lux Aeterna" has no discernable melody, would you say it's not music?

Click to listen to a bit of it. (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefMedia.aspx?refid=121644411)

I'm sorry, but that really is horrible and I would not call it music.

That's why I use dictionary.com. It's global in its defintions.

Torch (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=torch)
Ahhh I normally use that one as well (that or Webster) I did not know it was that global ... cool thanks

I listened to Ligeti quite a bit after I was exposed to his music from the 2001 A Space Odyssey sound track. I'm sure that if you listen to the whole piece instead of just the snippet that you linked you'd realize that all the elements of music are there. Atonal doesn't mean absence of melody. It simply means an absence of "do".

I've listened to the whole piece and much from the atonal genre by other composers. Atonal is an absence of melody, hence the term "atonal". It is still, however, music.


Btw..everything I've written here is music by the standards set forth in this thread. When read "properly", whatever the hell that means.

Not really. This is just talking. There is no cadence to it or timbre or melody or harmony or rythm. Unless you're singing all of this. In which case, righteous. Life should be a musical.

I'm sorry, but that really is horrible and I would not call it music.
Ahhh lots of people like excluding things they don't care for from a larger group that includes things they do, even when they do it incorrectly.

People do this with things like religion all the time “He is not a real Christian” (or insert other religion there)

Well, considering that the British don't just define "torch" as "a burning stick", but also as a "battery powered, hand held light", I'd wager that qualifies as "wider".
Cool thanks

I'm sorry, but that really is horrible and I would not call it music.

That's the whole point of this debate. Just because you don't like it, doesn't change what it is. Defintions cannot be based on emotions.

Ahhh lots of people like excluding things they don't care for from a larger group that includes things they do, even when they do it incorrectly.

People do this with things like religion all the time “He is not a real Christian” (or insert other religion there)

I don't like racists; I wouldn't say that they are not people. That, however, was just a continuous noise.

That's the whole point of this debate. Just because you don't like it, doesn't change what it is. Defintions cannot be based on emotions.

It's not because I don't like it; perhaps I should have separated the two comments.

I don't like racists, I wouldn't say that they are not people. That, however, was just a continuous noise.
I did not say people did it with every instance ... but people in general seem to do it with some group or another.

In your case it is with music

It's not because I don't like it; perhaps I should have separated the two comments.
Then how does it not fit the definition of music? Please show us

I did not say people did it with every instance ... but people in general seem to do it with some group or another.

In your case it is with music

I would say that either. I don't like Marilyn Manson, but, I would still him a musician.

Then how does it not fit the definition of music? Please show us

Well, it was just a continuous sound. It didn't have any variation.

It's not because I don't like it; perhaps I should have separated the two comments.

Ah ok ... so why would you not call it music? It's on the "2001: A Space Oddyssey" soundtrack if you want to hear the whole thing, but it's copyrighted so I can't link to the whole piece.

Anyway, it's atonal layering and does contain harmony and timbre, thus it fits the definition of music.

what the norway is emo??

Emo's a type of hardcore, it's short for 'emocore'. Emo songs tend to build up to screamy or shouty climaxes, often with mellow parts mixed in.

Think Husker Du, Moss Icon, Rites of Spring, At The Drive-In Orchid, Saetia and Planes Mistaken For Stars.

It's also misappropriately attached to a style of indie rock with an influence from emo. "Post-emo indie rock", if you're a music nerd. As this sound started dying, and all the important bands broke up or moved on (Appleseed Cast are post-rock now, PMFS are stoner rock, Jimmy Eats World are straight up pop-rock...) some of the younger bands started getting signed up and promoted heavily, this leads to the current crop of "popcore" bands that get called emo.

Country bugs me, MTV punk/hardcore/emo annoys me... nu-metal is pretty bad... but even bad genres have their gems.

Ah ok ... so why would you not call it music? It's on the "2001: A Space Oddyssey" soundtrack if you want to hear the whole thing, but it's copyrighted so I can't link to the whole piece.

Anyway, it's atonal layering and does contain harmony and timbre, thus it fits the definition of music.

Strangely, it sounds different the second time :p.

I did not say people did it with every instance ... but people in general seem to do it with some group or another.


I do it with NS Generalites. ;)

Everything mainstream completely sucks. Rap, country, rock, pop, everything. As long as it's on the mainstream radio/tv.. it's terrible.

Strangely, it sounds different the second time :p.

AHA! You've proven another point of mine. Exploring a genre before making judgement. As your ear becomes atuned to what its being invaded by, more educated opinions can be formed.

You may hear the whole piece and listen to it carefully a couple of times and find you still just can't get into it or decide you really like it. Either way, at least it would be an informed decision.

Same with rap. Most people who automatically dismiss it have never actually listened to it.

I agree with you. When Emo was fresh, new, crisp, when bands like Weezer were the only Emo bands out there, Emo was pretty damn good. Then it was hijacked by people who really don't understand what it means to be Emo. Now it's gone to shit.

Weezer were never emo, just alternative.

AHA! You've proven another point of mine. Exploring a genre before making judgement. As your ear becomes atuned to what its being invaded by, more educated opinions can be formed.

You may hear the whole piece and listen to it carefully a couple of times and find you still just can't get into it or decide you really like it. Either way, at least it would be an informed decision.

Same with rap. Most people who automatically dismiss it have never actually listened to it.

No, actually, it's because my music player isn't very good and needs to buffer properly.

I've listened to the whole piece and much from the atonal genre by other composers. Atonal is an absence of melody, hence the term "atonal". It is still, however, music..
Your definition of atonal is incorrect. I've sung, written and played a great deal of atonal music and it simply means an absence of or indefineable "do". The tones can be repeated and sung or played in tune thus meeting the definition of melody.

Not really. This is just talking. There is no cadence to it or timbre or melody or harmony or rythm. Unless you're singing all of this. In which case, righteous. Life should be a musical.

It's ironic that I, who have for most of my life, tried to expand and push the bounds of what's musically acceptable now find your definition of music to be so vague that it's not even a definition. I do agree with many of the previous comments that dictionaries are often inaccurate and unreliable.

Well, that's my excuse. :D

Your definition of atonal is incorrect. I've sung, written and played a great deal of atonal music and it simply means an absence of or indefineable "do". The tones can be repeated and sung or played in tune thus meeting the definition of melody.

Actually, I'll concede that point to you. However, rap can also be repeated and sung and played in tune. Rap is not just talking. As I've said to many people in person, if it's just talking, do it. Anyone can talk. It takes a certain amount of talent and practice to rap.


I do agree with many of the previous comments that dictionaries are often inaccurate and unreliable.

But that's all we've got to go on when finding the definition of a word. If we don't like the definition in the dictionary, we must change the dictionary. Expand the lexicon, as it were, and it must be done globally.

Rap is definately the worst and I have heard it enough to know. It's my best friends' favorite music, so I hear it almost every day.

Rap is definately the worst and I have heard it enough to know. It's my best friends' favorite music, so I hear it almost every day.

Then you have an informed opinion. Good. :)

Actually, I'll concede that point to you. However, rap can also be repeated and sung and played in tune. Rap is not just talking. As I've said to many people in person, if it's just talking, do it. Anyone can talk. It takes a certain amount of talent and practice to rap.




But that's all we've got to go on when finding the definition of a word. If we don't like the definition in the dictionary, we must change the dictionary. Expand the lexicon, as it were, and it must be done globally.

I've no argument on either of these points. :)

I've listened to the whole piece and much from the atonal genre by other composers. Atonal is an absence of melody, hence the term "atonal". It is still, however, music.


No, atonal does not mean absence of melody. Atonal means absence of a tonal centre such as a key or modality. Schoenberg (the first widely acknowledged composer of atonal music) wrote gorgeous melodies in many of his atonal works. On the other hand, works like "Threnedy for the victims of Hiroshima" by Pendercki are atonal, do not have discernible, repeatable melodies, do not have traditional forms of cadence and does not have harmonies that our ears recognize. In my mind music is essentially subjective, and what is music to one person will be obnoxious noise to another. Of course, anyone can learn to like a certain type of music if they are willing to put the effort into it...

Webster online definition of music, for the curious: "The science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity."

That is quite possibly the single gayest thing I have ever seen in my entire life. I believe I am now 8% more gay from having watched it.
That would make me - uh - gay enough to fill about a bakers dozen of people.

for me its a toss up between epic metal and rap i hate both the music and the image that acompanys it... rap as it embodies materialistic wealth and is for the most part just another kick in the teeth for feminists and epic metal as its just a bunch of very very strange folk who take lord of the rings just a bit to far... oh and i hate the music as well, violins in metal why why would you do that?... and rap as it just gives me a head ach... and i can lisnt to black metal with out it bothering me so theres somthing wrong ;)

No, atonal does not mean absence of melody. Atonal means absence of a tonal centre such as a key or modality.

Little late there.

That is quite possibly the single gayest thing I have ever seen in my entire life. I believe I am now 8% more gay from having watched it.

Congrats. As you can never have enough, I'd show you the gayest thing I've seen today, but I'm not really sure it's PG-13, as it's a video of the "o-faces" of a number of bottoms...

Y'all made me curious about the definition of music... But instead of an American or an English dictionnary, I took a French one. Here's a translation of the definitions (minus the examples):

1. The art of combining sounds in an harmonious way.
2.Musical piece.
3.Written musical piece.
I looked up the definition of sound:
1.Noise produced by vibrations.
2.[...]
And, unless you're a complete retard, you should know voice is produced by vibrations, therefore, voice is a sound. But in an harmonious way?
Harmony:
1.Combination of sounds "pleasant" (couldn't really find a suiting translation) to the hear.
And that doesn't mean you have to like it. The opposite of Harmony is... Damn, couldn't find a word in english for "Cacophonie"... Just imagine someone scratching a blackboard with his nails.

So according to french definitions, rap is music.

Back to the original topic. I'd say country is the music I hate the most, but if it wasn't for a few songs, rap would take the 1st place.

(I really had nothing else to do. :P)

Edit:
lol, the thread was 2 pages longer when I was done writing.

Little late there.

Sorry, I read through the thread and then took over fifteen minutes thinking through a post. That's why I'm not on these boards often. You all think way too fast for me to keep up.

Rap/hip-hop.

Would R.E.M & Coldplay be emo or alt-rock?

R.E.M's 'Automatic for the people' was pretty depressing album. and 'Stuck in Reverse'(Coldplay) is almost sucidal!!


Also Americana/Alt-Country is very depressing music but is beautifully especailly when they use a slide guitar.

Little late there.
This argument as to what music is has been going on for quite a while. John Cage "wrote" a piece called 4'33". It was just silence. They actually put it on an album which sold rather well and I was required to listen to it for music history class in college.

This argument as to what music is has been going on for quite a while. John Cage "wrote" a piece called 4'33". It was just silence. They actually put it on an album which sold rather well and I was required to listen to it for music history class in college.

Heh ... yeah I have fun memories of debating in music history class this very same thing. John Cage was a real sticky point.

Incidently, he is one of the artists who have made me broaden my definition of music to what it is today.

This argument as to what music is has been going on for quite a while. John Cage "wrote" a piece called 4'33". It was just silence. They actually put it on an album which sold rather well and I was required to listen to it for music history class in college.Ha! I got a live performance (albeit an abbridged version) of the thing in music class in school! :p

Ha! I got a live performance (albeit an abbridged version) of the thing in music class in school! :p
If I find out you've been sharing this music illegally, I'll report you!

If I find out you've been sharing this music illegally, I'll report you!

ROFL!

I think every genre of music has some really good stuff.

Rap is definetely music. Just because it doesn't have vocal melodies and you don't like it doesn't mean it's not music.

The genre I can probably find the least stuff I like in is death metal. It mostly all blends together for me.

Everything mainstream completely sucks. Rap, country, rock, pop, everything. As long as it's on the mainstream radio/tv.. it's terrible.
That's harsh. I hate a lot of mainstream stuff (and I nominated it as worst genre on the first page), but some of what the Sugababes and Girls Aloud (on their first album at least) have done is actually fairly good. Just because I don't like the majority of one genre (in this case mainstream pop), doesn't mean that I declare the whole lot to be crap.

If I find out you've been sharing this music illegally, I'll report you!To be honest, I think the Bloodhound Gang secretly stole some of the melodies of that song and put them into a couple of the things they have at the end of "Hooray for Boobies!"

Would R.E.M & Coldplay be emo or alt-rock?

R.E.M's 'Automatic for the people' was pretty depressing album. and 'Stuck in Reverse'(Coldplay) is almost sucidal!!


Also Americana/Alt-Country is very depressing music but is beautifully especailly when they use a slide guitar.
REM are alt-rock, I guess, though over their career they've spanned a lot of genres. Coldplay are the new U2 - music for people who don't like music.

This argument as to what music is has been going on for quite a while. John Cage "wrote" a piece called 4'33". It was just silence. They actually put it on an album which sold rather well and I was required to listen to it for music history class in college.
VNV Nation completely ripped Cage off with 'Schweigeminute' on Praise The Fallen.

Hmm...you know, I love indie and sub-popular, and I hate most mainstream stuff, but I can't honestly make the claim that *nothing* popular is worthwhile.

And there's lots of crappy indie too. Just, you never hear about it, because indie needs to be good for anybody to hear about it. Mainstream, you have to hear about whether or not it's good.

And..umm..all these people calling 'Emo' a musical genre? 'Emo' is not a musical genre. It's just a label that gets applied to any remotely depressed or angsty sounding music by people trying to appear manly by the fact that they don't listen to it.

If 'Emo' is a musical genre, then my least favorite musical genre is 'Boast'. I can't stand narcissistic lyrics where some guy talks about how great he is because he's so strong and aggressive and has so much sex.

And..umm..all these people calling 'Emo' a musical genre? 'Emo' is not a musical genre. It's just a label that gets applied to any remotely depressed or angsty sounding music by people trying to appear manly by the fact that they don't listen to it.

If 'Emo' is a musical genre, then my least favorite musical genre is 'Boast'. I can't stand narcissistic lyrics where some guy talks about how great he is because he has so much sex.
Nah, that's hip-hop.

Emo is a genre. Just because what is now called emo isn't actually what emo is doesn't disqualify it from being a genre. Technically, what's called indie now isn't actually 'indie' (meaning independent), as the majority of the bands that make 'indie' music are signed to major labels.

And there's lots of crappy indie too.

Oh god I know! I often listen to Rice radio (local university radio station) and marvel at what some people record. I honestly believe nobody told some of them about "playback". To actually listen to what you've recorded *before* letting it get air time.

Nah, that's hip-hop.

Emo is a genre. Just because what is now called emo isn't actually what emo is doesn't disqualify it from being a genre. Technically, what's called indie now isn't actually 'indie' (meaning independent), as the majority of the bands that make 'indie' music are signed to major labels.

Heh, technically only the 'indie' bands that get the most press are the ones signed to major labels. Rilo Kiley, My Morning Jacket, I think Decemberists now..

But, the way indie is referred to now, they're mostly using it as a dragnet term for anything in a genre that isn't popular. Including most lo-fi and experimental, or any rock that doesn't have a lot of repeating hooks.

I'm not sure exactly what the 'emo' sound is supposed to be though. Lyrics should have nothing to do with the genre classification of music.

Screamo or whatever it's called. *shivers*

Oh god I know! I often listen to Rice radio (local university radio station) and marvel at what some people record. I honestly believe nobody told some of them about "playback". To actually listen to what you've recorded *before* letting it get air time.
Heh...I've done work experience for the 'entertainment' section of a local newspaper - which involved frequently going to see local bands play. Jesus f*cking Christ some of that stuff was bad. In fact, I'm sure the OED would redefine the meaning of the phrase 'absolute fucking tripe' to accommodate some of those bands.

Country

Heh, technically only the 'indie' bands that get the most press are the ones signed to major labels. Rilo Kiley, My Morning Jacket, I think Decemberists now..
True - but that's because they have a massive marketing budget behind them. I guess bands like Arctic Monkeys show that you don't need that, but still...

But, the way indie is referred to now, they're mostly using it as a dragnet term for anything in a genre that isn't popular. Including most lo-fi and experimental, or any rock that doesn't have a lot of repeating hooks.
I don't know - I still hear Coldplay being referred to as indie, as well as bands like Kaiser Chiefs, the Bravery, etc.

I'm not sure exactly what the 'emo' sound is supposed to be though. Lyrics should have nothing to do with the genre classification of music.
Emo = emotional hardcore or emocore.
Hardcore (hardcore punk at least) is all about fast tempo, often short, songs. Frequently highly politicised (Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Minor Threat).
Emo is generally slower, with more introspective lyrics. Personally, I think the lyrics have more in common with shoegazing than hardcore, but that's just me.

Why shouldn't lyrics have anything to do with genre classification? They're just as much a part of the songs as the melody etc.

Well I do hate RnB, partly because it stole the name of R&B which is good. but my most hated would have to be (and forgive me if i get the name wrong) krunk. its like a combiination of RnB and hiphop, only really boring. You cant even say its just noise, cos there is no noise, just a void of boringness.

Country
Never! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5ezu3GPzA&search=I%20Love%20this%20Bar)

Would R.E.M & Coldplay be emo or alt-rock?

R.E.M's 'Automatic for the people' was pretty depressing album. and 'Stuck in Reverse'(Coldplay) is almost sucidal!!


Also Americana/Alt-Country is very depressing music but is beautifully especailly when they use a slide guitar.

REM are alt rock/indie rock. Coldplay are Britpop, along with Blur, early Radiohead, Oasis, ect.

Anything without soul or substance.

In short, most music. There's not one specific 'Bad' Genre, just a couple of really good artists in each genre surrounded by alot of shitty ones.

Country, eurotrance, happy hardcore, gospel.

mass produced pop bands, tila tequila, gangsta rap, and really nasally punk rock are all horrible and need to be done away with.

I tend to wonder if the people who say rap isn't music are basing it completely on junk like 50 Cent and Puff Daddy.

Lots of heavy metal has monotonic vocals too, is it not music? Of course it's music, because it's sung to a beat with heavy bass and guitar riffs going on in the background.

Well, rappers use at the very least drum machines, usually bass, and some of them use electronic sample loops, I've heard some with guitar, even keyboard, and other instruments.

So at what point does rap become not music? If you write guitar rock and then rap over it, who in the right mind would claim it isn't music? So where do you draw the line between calling what is music and what isn't?

And find me a single person who doesn't dislike rap who will claim it isn't music.

Listen to Madvillain, Edan, Dangermouse, the Streets, any of those people, and try to claim with a straight face rap isn't music.

Either hip-hop, deathmetal, or Christian Contemporary.

gansta rap and the punk rock that is publicized with brand new chuck taylors and girly ties on men, manly ties on girls. that punk rock that appears on mtv, isn't punk rock. fall out boy :sniper:

anything emo. like hawthorne heights. *shudders*

country isn't bad. same goes for folk. like bob dylan

I hear that some people would rather listen to country than listen to reggae. (Speaks in Jamaican accent) Sorry man... :(

anything emo. like hawthorne heights. *shudders*

*growl*

Hawthorne Heights isn't emo. They do however suck. ;)

I'm not too big on most of today's music period. Most of what I am talikng about is suckrock, bootycalling, suburbia pop and the like that you hear about on today's 'Top 40' channels. There are some occasional gems but mostly ends up as revolting crap out of my ears.

Coldplay is not britpop, it's just weenee crap for thirteen year olds who don't know they just rip melodies of great kraftwerk songs and put some meaningless lyrics on top of it ("You can take a picture of something you see", no, really, is it?). That's what I call crap.

Country is great nevertheless, at least the real thing. Leadbelly rulezzz.

mass produced pop bands, tila tequila, gangsta rap, and really nasally punk rock are all horrible and need to be done away with.
especiall rap.

especiall rap.

Have you ever listened to the N.W.A. album Straight Outta Compton?

That, my friend, is real rap.

Damn Good rap, too.

Pop...

Any and all. Pop just fucking sucks.

And rap is music (albeit not very good music, but music all the same.).

Have you ever listened to the N.W.A. album Straight Outta Compton?

That, my friend, is real rap.

Damn Good rap, too.
That is indeed one of the finest rap albums ever made.

O_o

somebody needs some serious taste in music...

No I have great taste in Music!!!! MADONNA RULES!

That is indeed one of the finest rap albums ever made.

I just get dissapointed when people say "rap sucks." All Genres Suck to some degree. Rap has a huge amount of suckage. But also a huge amount of talent. Case in point, Straight Outta Compton.

Pop is probably the most thoroughly annoying form of music around, although I'm definitely not a fan of rap or death metal. I'm rather ambivalent about country which seems to be the other favorite in this thread (least favorite?).

Pop I can never listen to for more than a few agonizing minutes. It feels like I'm listening to an 11 year old's livejournal in music form.

I've listened to a fair amount of rap, and although I don't really like the music style, the deal breaker is the lyrics - I can rarely find any rap lyrics that I identify with on some level.

Death metal suffers the same problem as rap, I'm all for pushing boundaries with music, but whenever I listen to death metal I always get the feeling that they're trying too hard. Of course, that's when I can understand what they're saying.

I choose hard-core punk or heavy metal. At least rap and country have a recognizable tune.

Whatever's coming out of the garage across the street. You all know what I mean.

Coldplay is not britpop, it's just weenee crap for thirteen year olds who don't know they just rip melodies of great kraftwerk songs and put some meaningless lyrics on top of it

i don't know what to do
what to do
i need a rendezvous
rendezvous

it's pretty tough to beat Kraftwerk for awful lyrics, but Coldplay have yet to disappoint.

i cannot in good conscience nominate any single genre for "the worst," as all of them seem to have some redeeming artists. but as a reviewer of independent music i've noticed that a lot of death/ black metal bands are completely indiscernable from one another, due to the uniformly stylized vocals. which bugs me. personally. but whatever.:cool:

I choose hard-core punk or heavy metal. At least rap and country have a recognizable tune.

Alot of hardcore bands can play quite pretty parts as well, just listen to Saetia. Alot of hardcore bands also explore odd time signatures and even borrow from freejazz, take Dillinger Escape Plan.

Oh, and metal has all those widdly-widdly parts they're so fond of. And sometimes they sing about dragons... everyone likes dragons. I don't like metal, so why defend it well?

I think you're confusing a fast tune with lack of a tune.

I just don't really like Hardcore... yet the most annoying music genre is that standard MTV genre (rmb or something)

Did Swilatia really need to start another thread where he/she showcases his/her musical ignorance?

Really, honestly, we all get it. You don't like rap. Thankfully, you don't know enough about music to have a valid opinion. Just stick to saying, "I don't like rap". Stop with the "Rap is not music", because you've proven time and time again that you wouldn't know music if it bit you in the face and had sex with your mom.

My favorite genre would be progressive rock.

Irish 'sean os' Trad singing by old toothless feckers!!

flogging molly is best ( whatever genre it is )

rap and deathmetal/industrial rock/ anything where the lead singer cant sing and so either screams or puts on a fake hard man voice to sing.... is the worst

Australian pop, and all pop in general.

Australia has a terrible, terrible scene when it comes to pop music. We have this band called the Rogue Traders, which simply takes riffs from well-known musicians and adds crappy words to them, and they don't credit original writers. Their singer is an actor. That should summarise how bad she is.

I choose hard-core punk or heavy metal. At least rap and country have a recognizable tune.
That is a pretty bold statement on this forum. Much worse than saying you do not believe in the Jewish Conspiracy. This is about as bad as saying you like Muslims during Hell.

Wow.. A LOT of people agree with me. Rap/hip-hop and country are by far the worst. :upyours: Generi-pop music is also total crap. Although i like Industrial heavy metal, incoherent screaming pseudo-evil sounding "music" is garbage.

Wow.. A LOT of people agree with me. Rap/hip-hop and country are by far the worst. Generi-pop music is also total crap.
That's cuz everyone is ignorant and racist.

DAMMIT!

For the Nth time -- AN ENTIRE GENRE CANNOT BE BEST OR WORST!

All you can do is generalize and extract posters' personal preferences, and that means exactly jack squat.

/rant

Besides, everybody knows Klesmer pwns.

I say rap. If thats even music. Because I think its not music.


Well, I think you're a complete fucktard. That doesn't make it true. Or even relevant.

Perhaps you should justify your can't-possibly-hold-water opinion by defining music for all of us uneducated pikers, and then we might understand why you think rap doesn't qualify.

Country ... at least rap usualy has a beat
What kind of weird-ass, aleatoric, no drums, no bass, and no dancing Country music have you been hearing?

Dont know gets lost behind the bad vocals and horrible gutar work

Whoever invented that steel gutar sound should be shot
Look, just because you've never heard a steel guitar solo that could rip out your heart (check out Jill Sobule's use of it on "Now That I Don't Have You" from her self-titled second CD and tell me that's not moving), or a real Austin guitarist like Monte Montgomery doesn't mean the whole genre deserves a bashing.

LIKE ANY CATEGORY, there are prime examples and there are mannerisms. The former are rare treasures and the latter are a dime a dozen and usually an order of magnitude more popular than the former. Is it the genre's fault that they produce what is demanded/expected? No. Then maybe it's the public's fault, as George Carlin said. "Maybe the public sucks."

No. rap is just words. It stands for nothing, and sounds nothing like what anyone with a positive IQ would call music.
Us3, Arrested Development, Digable Planets, Nappy Roots. All derive source material from classic jazz recordings and overlay syncopated lyrical homages to the source or to their various situations. Seek, and ye shall find. Allow whatever hits you in the face to be all that you ever hear, and you'll be eye-deep in shit.

Music:
1. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
2. Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.
3.
1. A musical composition.
2. The written or printed score for such a composition.
3. Such scores considered as a group: We keep our music in a stack near the piano.
4. A musical accompaniment.
5. A particular category or kind of music.
6. An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound or combination of sounds: the music of the wind in the pines.

It fits definitions 1, 2, and 5.

Rap:

1. Slang. A talk, conversation, or discussion.
2.
1. A form of popular music developed especially in African-American urban communities and characterized by spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics with a syncopated, repetitive rhythmic accompaniment.
2. A composition or performance of such music.


The facts disagree with you. Sorry.

Oh, and I am a music teacher. I'm pretty qualified in this regard.
Spot on!

I am a music prof myself. I honor personal choice, but uneducated and ill-informed taste development is what gets us the crap that becomes popular in the first place. Like what you like, but why do it to the exclusion of a little experimentation and cross-genre exploration? Only possible answer = lazy narrow-minded-ness.

DAMMIT!

For the Nth time -- AN ENTIRE GENRE CANNOT BE BEST OR WORST!

All you can do is generalize and extract posters' personal preferences, and that means exactly jack squat.

/rant

Besides, everybody knows Klesmer pwns.
So...erm...what do you think the worst genre is? :p

I like a lot of different types of music depending on my mood that includes Rap, Jazz, classical, Punk etc I really dislike Irish show bands and Irish Country and Western. I am also greatly irritated by R&B (not the original the irritatingly sappy tosh that is fed to us constantly by radio stations with taste bypass DJ's. At the moment I am listening to Muse, Salif Keita, Arctic Monkeys and Mary Coughlan. :cool:
Ever check out Afro-Celt Sound System?

So...erm...what do you think the worst genre is? :p
Hilarious.

No genre can be ranked without overwhelming subjectivity, thus invalidating the very idea. My Klesmer line was a joke.

Hilarious.

No genre can be ranked without overwhelming subjectivity, thus invalidating the very idea. My Klesmer line was a joke.
I don't know about that. If you ranked genres on the level of innovation of the music or other similar criteria then you could come up with a rank of genres. Admittedly, the criteria you choose would then be subjective, but that's different.

The title of this thread should have been: 'Which genre do you appreciate the least?'

That's nice. So now we've lowered the definition of music to the standard that a concept of melody is no longer even important . So a person can be totally tone-deaf, unable to repeat a series of musical tones, stand there and bullshit and call themselves a musician. How much lower can we go?
You ever hear a percussion ensemble play? Entire compositions have been scored for unpitched percussion. Melody can be solely percussive/rhythmic.

I don't know about that. If you ranked genres on the level of innovation of the music or other similar criteria then you could come up with a rank of genres. Admittedly, the criteria you choose would then be subjective, but that's different.

The title of this thread should have been: 'Which genre do you appreciate the least?'

EXACTLY.

Someone has been living under a rock for the past few years, apparently.
Uh -- if it gets no radio airplay, or plays on stations he doesn't listen to, where else could he have heard it? Jesus, some people can be assumptive jackasses.

Can you not spell?!?!?!
Look -- you can contribute to the debate or you can call out typos from the sidelines. One takes thought, the other just takes up space. You have the right to post how you wish, of course, but then, I have the right to think you're shallow and foolish for picking on teh window dressing rather than the actual argument.

And hey, shouldn't you be in a corner somewhere making love to a stiletto? Or are you past that phase and looking for another troll subject to whine about?

I'm sorry, but that really is horrible and I would not call it music.
Well, thankfully, you're not in charge. Ligeti is a chronic oddball, to be sure, but he was also a genius. Like John Cage, Karlheinz Stockhausen and many other 20th Century composers who sought to take music outside the confines of form and tonality as a reaction to the societal catastrophes represented by the World Wars.

Do I like all the 20th Century compositions I had to study? Hell no. Is it still music? Hell yes.

Emo's a type of hardcore, it's short for 'emocore'. Emo songs tend to build up to screamy or shouty climaxes, often with mellow parts mixed in.

Think Husker Du, Moss Icon, Rites of Spring, At The Drive-In Orchid, Saetia and Planes Mistaken For Stars.

It's also misappropriately attached to a style of indie rock with an influence from emo. "Post-emo indie rock", if you're a music nerd. As this sound started dying, and all the important bands broke up or moved on (Appleseed Cast are post-rock now, PMFS are stoner rock, Jimmy Eats World are straight up pop-rock...) some of the younger bands started getting signed up and promoted heavily, this leads to the current crop of "popcore" bands that get called emo.

Country bugs me, MTV punk/hardcore/emo annoys me... nu-metal is pretty bad... but even bad genres have their gems.
I appreciate your knowledge -- well posted.

I would wonder, though, whether such incredible sub-splintering of sub-genres is a good thing. Eventually, there'll be no genres, there'll just be "What John Smith Likes".

Actually, I'll concede that point to you. However, rap can also be repeated and sung and played in tune. Rap is not just talking. As I've said to many people in person, if it's just talking, do it. Anyone can talk. It takes a certain amount of talent and practice to rap.
Absolutely! What I always say to people who mindlessly bleat about rap taking no skill is this: YOU try it. It's more than rhyming words. There has to be a naturalness, a practiced and polished ease with which you release the words in rhythm.


But that's all we've got to go on when finding the definition of a word. If we don't like the definition in the dictionary, we must change the dictionary. Expand the lexicon, as it were, and it must be done globally.
Okay, for all the attacks it will draw, here's my definition of MUSIC:

"Patterns of sounds and silences in time."

A pattern can therefore be regular or aleatoric, catchy or serialistic, and it could also be all sound (Ligeti) or all silence (Cage), as complete presence or absence is, in itself a block pattern. As a definition, it's probably too glib, but I look for efficiency wherever possible in my definitions.

I can't stand any kind of country music or regional folclore. Also, 99.9% of MTV created "rappers" make me sick to my stomach...

I can't stand any kind of country music or regional folclore. Also, 99.9% of MTV created "rappers" make me sick to my stomach...

I agree. I like proper rap, but I don't consider it music. Like poetry, in fact exactly like reciting poetry, but it's not music.

*snip*
There's not one specific 'Bad' Genre, just a couple of really good artists in each genre surrounded by alot of shitty ones.
Now there's a statement I can second.

I agree. I like proper rap, but I don't consider it music. Like poetry, in fact exactly like reciting poetry, but it's not music.

I'm not a rap fan, but as Ravea pointed out there are some quite good artists on the genre. To consider it music or not, it may fall on each one's personal definitions, it's true that most rap uses beats and samples, but it's just their style. If you take a good look at many other styles (like Pop) they often don't do much more than applying a "magic formula" of a couple of chord patterns that worked out before and recicle them into a new single; I can think of a huge Pop band that's done this twice recently, but I won't name it or I'll get intensely flamed :p

I'm not a rap fan, but as Ravea pointed out there are some quite good artists on the genre. To consider it music or not, it may fall on each one's personal definitions, it's true that most rap uses beats and samples, but it's just their style. If you take a good look at many other styles (like Pop) they often don't do much more than applying a "magic formula" of a couple of chord patterns that worked out before and recicle them into a new single; I can think of a huge Pop band that's done this twice recently, but I won't name it or I'll get intensely flamed :p
You might get flamed, though on the other hand you'll probably have more people willing to defend you...

Is it Coldplay by any chance? Or Oasis?

I can't stand any kind of country music or regional folclore. Also, 99.9% of MTV created "rappers" make me sick to my stomach...

I agree, I dont like gangster rap, Eminem or Kanye West being the exception to the rule, but 'conveyor belt' post rock indie pop punk is something that I think is killing music, particularly rock. Perfect examples of this are The Arctic Monkeys, Panic! at the Disco, Fall Out Boy or particularly McFly and Busted. There are hardly any Rock bands that are helping the genre, we're left with the likes of the Chillies to continue mainstream Rock. Fortunately this isnt the case of Metal, there are several young bands that are helping to give the genre a make over, I speak of Avenged Sevenfold, Coheed and Cambria, Beyond Fear and System of a Down, aswell as older bands that keep the old flame alive; In Flames, Motorhead, Metallica, Maiden and ACDC.

Rant over

PS You mis-spelled folklore

The college at which I teach has a fitness center (what used to be called a "weight room", gotta love those euphemisms). I go there in the vain hope of decreasing the size of my own personal Buddha.

When I go in, there is invariably Top 40 tripe on the way-too-damn-loud sound system. My question is this: when did we start giving air time to any former teen outcast with a microphone? I heard this song whose chorus went something like this:

"She's the cheerleader
I'm in the marching band..."

And immediately I got defensive -- some of the hottest girls in my school marched. Then I got mad -- who gives a FUCK what some over-indulged pop princess went through in high school? The very fact that you get to sing about it on the radio invalidates your claim to excliquedom! This sone seems to have been engineered in a lab to appeal directly to (choose any from the following) goth, geek, overweight, ugly, unpopular, psycho, or other marginalized girl. It makes concentrating on not falling off the elliptical machine difficult when a rant is just below the surface for a whole hour and sets your teeth permanently on edge. It makes me glad I try to do yoga before showering after the workout. Otherwise I'd bite the head off the next princess I saw.

You might get flamed, though on the other hand you'll probably have more people willing to defend you...

Is it Coldplay by any chance? Or Oasis?

Yep, tell us who you were thinking of. Coldplay is excesively overated. Oasis is better, but still pretty dodgy.

I don't see what all the fuss is about in regard to this Kanye West character, if that is his A Game, then he truely sucks.

However Dance/Trance/Techno is the worst bt that cannot be regarded as Music so in reality anything that 'you' like which differs to my opinions is the worst.

You might get flamed, though on the other hand you'll probably have more people willing to defend you...
I won't forget to collect this :p


Is it Coldplay by any chance? Or Oasis?
U2; take a good listen at "Vertigo". Elton John has talked about how to do it and Oasis use it quite often, though in their case I think you can blame the producer.

trance
and all the mtv version of rnb 'boast' rap
it may be music, but i dunno if it deserves that title
music should make u feel. feel something other than wanting to shoot my gansta for pimpin my ride. or whatever

australian pop for sure... *gag* rogue traders, the veronicas, and delta goodrem
i like what's coming from the grassroots rock n roll thingo tho, faker, end of fashion, thirsty merc, wolfmother

i like emo...
*dons shield*
i cant justify it beyond i just enjoy listening to it

I won't forget to collect this :p



U2; take a good listen at "Vertigo". Elton John has talked about how to do it and Oasis use it quite often, though in their case I think you can blame the producer.
Ah, yes, ripped directly from a song by Feeder. I used to know which one, but all I can remember now is that it's on Yesterday Went Too Soon.

Yep, tell us who you were thinking of. Coldplay is excesively overated. Oasis is better, but still pretty dodgy.

I like Coldplay. not too fussed about their new album but 'Rush of Blood to the Head' was a very moving album, particularly the scientist

Australian pop, and all pop in general.

Australia has a terrible, terrible scene when it comes to pop music. We have this band called the Rogue Traders, which simply takes riffs from well-known musicians and adds crappy words to them, and they don't credit original writers. Their singer is an actor. That should summarise how bad she is.

aaah. thats the quote i was looking for

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Originally Posted by LA Ice
Australian pop, and all pop in general.

Australia has a terrible, terrible scene when it comes to pop music. We have this band called the Rogue Traders, which simply takes riffs from well-known musicians and adds crappy words to them, and they don't credit original writers. Their singer is an actor. That should summarise how bad she is.(Quote)

Yes Australia does have alot of crap, but Poets of the Fall are the saving grace. And ACDC of course

I don't see what all the fuss is about in regard to this Kanye West character, if that is his A Game, then he truely sucks.

However Dance/Trance/Techno is the worst bt that cannot be regarded as Music so in reality anything that 'you' like which differs to my opinions is the worst.


How can you put Dance and Trance together, they are very different. I love dance. Trance is dodgier.

... Coldplay are Britpop, along with Blur, early Radiohead, Oasis, ect.

damn. i always thought that britpop was the spice girls, s club 7, steps and all that.
revelation of sorts - i DO like britpop!

(Quote)
Originally Posted by LA Ice
Australian pop, and all pop in general.

Australia has a terrible, terrible scene when it comes to pop music. We have this band called the Rogue Traders, which simply takes riffs from well-known musicians and adds crappy words to them, and they don't credit original writers. Their singer is an actor. That should summarise how bad she is.(Quote)

Yes Australia does have alot of crap, but Poets of the Fall are the saving grace. And ACDC of course
And Men at Work and INXS and Midnight Oil and Hoodoo Gurus -- no, they're not cult favorites, but I like them. My question would be who was responsible for letting Olivia Newton-John escape back in the 70s?

How can you put Dance and Trance together, they are very different. I love dance. Trance is dodgier.

motion seconded. Dance: Faithless
Trance: [insert bad trance artist]

Yep, tell us who you were thinking of. Coldplay is excesively overated. Oasis is better, but still pretty dodgy.
...and both of them owe their existence to my British favourite, XTC.

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Originally Posted by Soviet Haaregrad
... Coldplay are Britpop, along with Blur, early Radiohead, Oasis, ect.

I wouldnt have called coldplay Britpop. Blur and Oasis definately are, but i can listen to both

Yes Australia does have alot of crap, but Poets of the Fall are the saving grace. And ACDC of course

erm im a bit confused. i was wondering how i managed to miss an aussie band in the same league as acdc, so i wikied. wiki-the-all-knowing reckons poets of the the fall are from finland. oh and so does poets of the fall's website

And Men at Work and INXS and Midnight Oil and Hoodoo Gurus -- no, they're not cult favorites, but I like them. My question would be who was responsible for letting Olivia Newton-John escape back in the 70s?

maybe those countdown nostalgia specials on rage??
something to do with molly meldrum

and in defending australia i must mention split enz, crowded house, SILVERCHAIR, little river band, savage garden, cold chisel, kylie minogue

How can you put Dance and Trance together, they are very different. I love dance. Trance is dodgier.
You are right, trance is 40% more evil but Dance is still evil.
Only The Braveheart Remix is acceptable.

No I have good taste in Music!!!! MADONNA RULES!
No. Madonna Sucks.

No. Madonna Sucks.
Seconded.

No. Madonna Sucks.

awwww, we should just leave her alone
she's quite obviously deluded, and doesn't exactly need the extra stress

RnB

Hiphop and rap can be really good, but RnB is just about making money and scoring chicks and being tough for no reason

erm im a bit confused. i was wondering how i managed to miss an aussie band in the same league as acdc, so i wikied. wiki-the-all-knowing reckons poets of the the fall are from finland. oh and so does poets of the fall's website

ah right. im confused now. I was certain that they were aussies. it certainly looks like they are at least based in Finland. possibly in a similar way to Dragonforce being based in England. Whatever the case is I apologize. they're still awsome though

awwww, we should just leave her alone
she's quite obviously deluded, and doesn't exactly need the extra stress
I say when she leaves us alone we can leave her alone.

I say when she leaves us alone we can leave her alone.

agreed. Madonna is too manufactured. Dont think she can be called a genre though

RnB

Hiphop and rap can be really good, but RnB is just about making money and scoring chicks and being tough for no reason

Real RnB is actually utter genius. See 70's RnB. What Usher loves to call RnB is rubbish. And you're right about Hip hop and rap. I personally love Jay-Z and Snoop's stuff and bands like Jurrasic 5 and Public Enemy. I don't like most of 50 Cent's stuff.

Oh and I'd say that emo is probably my least prefered genre, although Country is a close second.

I don't think there's really such a thing as an objectively bad music genre.

Well, there's teen-pop, I guess.

Real RnB is actually utter genius. See 70's RnB. What Usher loves to call RnB is rubbish. And you're right about Hip hop and rap. I personally love Jay-Z and Snoop's stuff and bands like Jurrasic 5 and Public Enemy. I don't like most of 50 Cent's stuff.

Oh and I'd say that emo is probably my least prefered genre

I was thinking that, but it's not really the genre at fault but instead the scene kids that have popularised it. I checked out some 80s emo stuff and I liked it, so eh...

As for country, I don't like it personally, but I don't think it's objectively "bad".

Definatly this so called 'RnB', Its not even on the same page as the music it claims to be. Its just black people making pop.....

I don't think there's really such a thing as an objectively bad music genre.

Well, there's teen-pop, I guess.
But think of all the goodtime hits Hillary Duff and Lindsey Lohan have brought us.:(

But think of all the goodtime hits Hillary Duff and Lindsey Lohan have brought us.:(

I think I'll get my flaggelation kit ready for that response. *smacks heads with brick*.

Ah... that's better...